Tuesday, January 13, 2015

KU beats Cowboys to move to 3-0 in Big 12

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) raises up his hands after  a lob pass to orward Cliff Alexander (2) for a dunk during the first half, Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Frank Mason III (0) raises up his hands after a lob pass to orward Cliff Alexander (2) for a dunk during the first half, Tuesday, Jan. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.


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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Bill Self talks KU's 'long,' 'bad' game vs. OSU, which lacked any flow

Kansas University basketball coach Bill Self speaks with the media following the Jayhawks' win over Oklahoma State, a game Self described as both "long" and "bad," due to the lack of flow.The KU coach said he was discouraged by the technical fouls his team picked up, as well.

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Press Conferences & Post-Game Interviews

Mason, Oubre and Alexander discuss technicals, style of play vs. OSU

Kansas University basketball players Frank Mason III, Cliff Alexander and Kelly Oubre Jr. meet with the media following the Jayhawks' 67-57 home win over Oklahoma State. The Jayhawks discuss the technical fouls, the style of the game and Alexander's highlight jam.

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Box score

Taking Oklahoma State star Marcus Smart out of the equation did nothing to temper the intensity of the showdown between Oklahoma State and Kansas during Tuesday's game at Allen Fieldhouse.

Complete with a handful of technicals, hard fouls and even a few flops, the Jayhawks (14-2 overall, 3-0 Big 12) picked up a hard-fought, 67-57 victory over the Cowboys to stay perfect in conference play.

As people have come to expect, Frank Mason III again turned in a solid all-around performance, leading the way with 16 points and a game-high 9 rebounds.

Mason joined Kelly Oubre Jr. (14 points, 6 rebounds) and Cliff Alexander (7 points, 5 rebounds) to help KU survive a hot start from OSU guard Phil Forte and take a 32-28 lead into halftime. Forte had a game-high 16 points at the break but attempted just two shots in the second half and was held to two second-half points while dealing with a couple of different injuries.

After an intensity-filled first half, the second half turned into a glorified free-throw shooting contest as both teams jumped into the bonus early and the teams combined to shoot 36 free throws in the final 20 minutes.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

• The game turned when: Double technical fouls were called on Jamari Traylor and Le'Bryan Nash around the 12-minute mark of the first half. The exchange near the KU bench was the height of the intensity in this one and the Jayhawks, backed by the home crowd, responded to the mix-up with a 9-0 run that gave them a small cushion to work with the rest of the way.

• Offensive highlight: With 13:50 to play in the first half and tensions running high to begin with, Alexander flicked a match onto the open flame that was Allen Fieldhouse with a vicious one-handed and-one dunk over Oklahoma State's Anthony Allen. With the fieldhouse going crazy behind him, Alexander flexed and stared down the Oklahoma State bench, which drew a technical foul. The extra-curricular activities did nothing to take away from the fantastic basket and tough-as-nails finish.

• Defensive highlight: Inside the final three minutes of the first half, Wayne Selden Jr. attacked the rim looking to make a play and, once again, came up empty. The hard drive to the rim was smart but the shot he threw up after going into the air left many people scratching their heads. Selden was not one of them. Instead of sulking over another missed opportunity in close, the sophomore guard hustled down to the other end and came up with a big-time block off the backboard that led to an alley-oop from Mason to Alexander in transition on the other end.

• Key stat: The Jayhawks did themselves no favors at the free-throw line. On a night when the home team was sent to the charity stripe a whopping 46 times, KU made just 32, good for 69.6 percent. Luckily for the Jayhawks, their field goal defense more than made up for the rough night at the line, as OSU connected on just 31.4 percent of its shots (16-of-51) in the loss.

• Up next: The Jayhawks will head out onto the road for another tough test at 8 p.m. Saturday, when they'll take on Iowa State in Ames. It's College Gameday at Hilton Coliseum so you can bet the Cyclones fans will be more than a little fired up for this one. 

— See what people were saying about the game during's live blog.

More news and notes from Kansas vs. Oklahoma State

By the Numbers: Kansas beats Oklahoma State, 67-57

By the Numbers: Kansas beats Oklahoma State, 67-57


Brett McCabe 7 years, 8 months ago

Is Kelly the new team leader? Loved his toughness and emotion. Loved the fight I saw tonight. Congrats Hawks!

Walter Bridges 7 years, 8 months ago

Maybe, him or Mason. Going the other way is Ellis.

Allison Steen 7 years, 8 months ago

Agreed. Also appreciate how quickly he walked away from the altercation with nash. Of course, his chicago pals Mari and Cliff had his back, but nice seeing a freshman take himself out of the equation. Mari knows better.

Drew Doerfler 7 years, 8 months ago

does anyone else think more of selden's minutes should go to either greene or svi?

Ron Sterling 7 years, 8 months ago

He's not always great, but only Mason out hustles Selden. Selden just needs to be stronger on the drive and not try to dunk when it isn't there.

Drew Doerfler 7 years, 8 months ago

i don't dislike selden out there...but we need a scorer on the wing...and for 7 out of 8 games...selden can't hit the broad side of a barn......we will need a shooter and someone who can score once the tournament comes around, if we are going to have any shot at all to make a run......and he is also an average rebounder at best.....the upside of both greene and svi seems to be higher for the end of the season right now

Tyson Ailshie 7 years, 8 months ago

Neither hustle to the ball like Selden does (block on a 3 on 1 run out). Greene won't play with defensive intensity like Selden. Svi is still too green to play meaningful minutes. In these kind of dog fights, I'd rather take Selden's toughness and quickness, even if it means a little offensive inconsistency.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 8 months ago

I'll take Selden's defensive consistency (better than his offensive consistency right now), and obviously Self has made the same choice. Selden is a far better defender than Greene, and even over Svi.

Ask Billy Donovan about Selden's offense...

Look, I think Selden is playing a glue role, and how lucky are we to have a MickeyD-level-hops kid doing dirty work? He's playing a Brady role for now, but with a tremendous upside on transition opps. Especially, now that we are getting scoring out of the 1 (Mason) and the wing (Oubre). But he is ever-dangerous.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 8 months ago

Oklahoma State's players are trash. Just as bad as Iowa State.

Tyson Ailshie 7 years, 8 months ago

IMO the game turned when Cliff Alexander poster-ized Anthony Allen Jr. with the most vicious, monster dunk that I've seen since maybe T Rob.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

In fairness it wasnt actually a dunk, but I smell what youre stepping in.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 8 months ago

Joe, maybe we call it an 'old-skool' dunk, back when you werent allowed to touch the rim. It was still a throw-down, in the literal sense. Semantics aside, it was a very-TRob-like play, I thought...

Gerry Butler 7 years, 8 months ago

oh guys I don't even know where to start with this. was an UGLY UGLY game to watch, so ugly to watch. No Rhythm. Perry continuing to be no contributor no production, weak to the ball, not demanding ball continues turnovers, has at least 3 of his shots blocked for a guy 6ft 8 has way to many shots blocked.Turnovers, turnovers, turnovers so many missed free throws free points not be taken advantage of 37 % filed goal shooting not being able to finish, soft. coach self said afterwards crap play, no poise, no composure,no team play, said he thought we took a step backwards. 74 free throws 49 fouls, 3 technicals and 3 video review like I said UGLY UGLY. and you can say what you want but if we play like that Saturday look out. you can call me pessimistic whatever, the facts is facts. just pretty much repeating what coach said him self and what I saw. I fully believe at this point I think Perry needs to be coming of the bench hit a ral tough stretch not sure whats going on but after saying ALL of that we still won. Oklahoma state only shot 31 % that's always a Bill Self team w haad people worrying about our defense and like people noted look who we played non-con since league play started big difference. anyways guys tomorrow brings a new day and we won. a win a win right we can play this ugly and still find the way to win that's got to be a good thing right/ GO HAWKS

Steve Zimmerman 7 years, 8 months ago

I don't blame you on this one, Gerry. A game with 70 FTs, is not a fun basketball game. No matter who started the staring contest. Those guys can still play tough keeping sportsmanship in mind.

I like the fact that we won but hopefully guys can toughen up their offense & defense without getting into a brawl or technical.

Joe Joseph 7 years, 8 months ago

Perry has essentially turned into a role player at this point. He should no longer be expected to manufacture points or to establish himself inside....because he can't.

I've actually become more confident in Jamari's ability to make something good happen than I am with Ellis'.

Joe Ross 7 years, 8 months ago

A lot has been made about this being an "ugly" game. It was; but then again, street brawls tend to lack an aesthetic quality. Yet, as UFC and MMA fights clearly demonstrate, clearly we find enjoyment in them. In the gauntlet that is the Big 12, we are going to have to reconcile ourselves with the reality that we need to hit hard and be able to withstand getting hit back. I'm not gonna lie: I LOVED seeing Alexander get T'd up. He earned it making a declaration that he was there to fight, and it's that Spirit in Kansas that I have been DYING to see! Same with Kelly Oubre. Our freshmen are growing into men at the right time. I guess we'll see how we do this weekend when we call Iowa State out to the yard...

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 8 months ago

100% agree. I like the swagger, and we needed it.

Duane Parr 7 years, 8 months ago

I won't pile it on, all on Perry.But he can be frustrating at times to watch. Then again he may go for 20 Saturday night at Ames, you never know what he will do! We won and that's all that matters, for now,next!

Cameron Barnhart 7 years, 8 months ago

Did anyone else spot Mark Mangino sitting at court level in his scooter behind the baseline?

Adam Tyler 7 years, 8 months ago


I did and we are both horrible people.

But, wow. Those blue sweats are going to haunt me!

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

The notion that Perry is or will become a "power" forward is moving from silly to ludicrous. He is still an exceptionally skilled BB player, but there is absolutely nothing powerful about his game, and rarely even tough really. That's why I think he needs to expand his game and range to take more outside/3 pt shots. He's good out there. 50% from 3 last year. Unfortunately, that's not the Hi-Lo system, so Perry will likely continue to disappear when the game gets physical - most of the Big 12 games. Sure, he'll show off his impressively smart skills, but especially when the games inevitably get physical in the tourney, ....

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

If Perry is the big catching the ball at the top of the key, the outside shot is a big part of the high-low. The Morris twins ran it better than any two players Self has ever had and it was because Marcus was a legitimate threat to make 3's if his man didn't come out on him and that would open the paint up for Markieff.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

Is the official explanation for Cliff's T that he flexed at the OSU bench? I thought he flexed toward mid-court.

Hopefully, it wasn't flex alone that drew the T. It certainly didn't look like he said anything "profound", and was completely walking away from all the OSU players.

It was also nice that he followed the Selden muff/block and slam of his own, with another block of his own on the other end.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 8 months ago

"KU made just 32 (FT's), good for 69.6 percent."

Isn't 70% considered a decent FT%? From what I see in the stats, it was the difference in the game.

While it isn't quite as good as what they have been shooting, and there were a few stinkers in particular, 70% would seem like a reasonable expectation, especially in a game this intense.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

KU was one made FT off their season average. KU has shot 71% from the line for the year and made 69% tonight. The volume of FT's KU shot tonight make it seem like KU was worse than normal when KU was basically on their average tonight.

Joe Joseph 7 years, 8 months ago

70% from the line would have won the 2003 national championship game!! So, yeah, I'd say it's certainly not bad.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 8 months ago

For all the crap we, the fans, are giving KU's defense, so far they haven't allowed any of the 3 Big 12 opponents to reach 60 points yet. It hasn't been pretty this year, but this team just finds ways to win much like the 2012 team did. This team also has several similarities to the 2012 team in the make up of the roster as well.

EJ never lived up to his recruiting ranking and it doesn't appear that Selden will either at this point. Ellis and Withey are comparable in that they are both players who are/were frequently criticized for not having an impact in games that got physical and struggled with playing aggressively on a consistent basis. Mason and Taylor are comparable in the they both have that never give up attitude and frustrate the heck out of people with some of their decision making on the floor. Alexander is more Robinson as a sophomore than in the 2012 but there's definitely similarities in their games as well. I would say that Oubre right now compares pretty favorably to where Travis Releford was as a 4th year player. This team has a better bench by far than 2012 did, since this team can legitimately go 10 deep with no walk ons involved whereas the 2012 team went 9 deep with 2 walk ons in the rotation (Teahan and Wesley).

For the record, I'm not saying KU's rotation this year is 10 deep and was 9 deep in 2012, that's just how many different players Self used to play meaningful minutes during the season.

Arthur Ankeney 7 years, 8 months ago

I completely agree. This was an UGLY win. And I absolutely loved it. We groaned and moaned last year with our finesse team. We yearned for guys who would play tough. After the last 3 games, I think I am finally comfortable saying we've got a gritty, hard nosed, hard fighting team this year and I am excited. They won't all be this ugly with 74 free throws, but I love to see a team who can play dirty and find a way to win. We have also been complaining about a lot of guy's defense--Ellis and Greene in particular-- but even without a 7 footer anchoring things, this could end up being one of the most successful defensive teams of recent years.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 8 months ago

To put it in perspective...this is the type of game that Self-designed teams are supposed to be able to win. When Self first came, the Roy-transition-purists were aghast, I still remember the quotes from KU friends of mine: "Oh, god, an Eddie-Sutton guy. So we'll have walk-it-up, slowed down, muddied 55point grinders..." But Self recruits top level guys, then makes them play D and do all the little things that add up by the 4th period (rbds, force tough low%shots, steals, while crafting high%looks for ourselves). Its a system that starts with recruiting. And then HeHimSelf hammers those recruits, all the while they are getting Huditioning...

And solid D feeds those "highlight transition break", (which those top athletes Self gets usually look pretty good finishing). So with Self, you get it all...the only problem that has surfaced with several different sets of players, is that it takes time for kids to get good in all phases, for us to be able to become an elite team. You saw that problem last year, and we started off this season the same way. Occasionally, there is a mindset 'issue' with a player or two. They cant do it the Self way, so they transfer. Or they plateau (like Ellis or Elijah). Or get dismissed, which needs no further explanation.

So, in a related point: our Achilles heel is too new or inexperienced players, even if they are top20 guys, trying to execute. They simply wont be as good as they will be in Yr2. Thats the reality of SelfBall. So that plays out when a newby team faces a well-oiled team of upperclassmen, like some midmajor...its hard to have any separation. And in those situations, it could be anybody's game. The 08Champs provided the best examples, as when they were frosh and sophs, they had some ugly losses, & losses to WhoWhereWhatU, then the next year they make the Elite8, but lose a winnable game to UCLA, as they got away from their system that got them that far. Then in 08, it all came together: experience, athleticism, as well as luck (gotta have some luck, and we were lucky to get Rush back).

Going 1 step further, the predictability of a Self squad really depends on how they are doing in ALL phases. We're looking a bit better, but IowaSt, then OU will be major tests to judge. You do know that Duke is beatable, and even KY looks like it is theoretically possible to beat them...But where does KU develop to by the end of BigXII play???

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