Wednesday, March 20, 2013

No. 2 recruit Julius Randle chooses Kentucky

Kansas recruit Julius Randle sits behind the Kansas bench during the first half on Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas recruit Julius Randle sits behind the Kansas bench during the first half on Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013 at Allen Fieldhouse.


Julius Randle, a 6-foot-9 senior basketball forward from Prestonwood Christian Academy in Plano, Texas, today orally committed to Kentucky in a news conference at his high school televised by ESPNU.

Randle, who is ranked No. 2 nationally by, chose UK over Kansas, Florida and Texas.

Randle, a McDonald's All-American, averaged 28.8 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks in five state playoff games while leading Prestonwood (TX) Christian to the 5A state title. He averaged 32.5 points and 15.5 rebounds in the Final Four. He missed most of the regular season because of a fracture in his foot.


Ryan Zimmerman 9 years, 4 months ago

What a joke... have fun playing for the biggest sleaze in college basketball. And this now confirms my desire to purchase a Robert Morris tee

jhox 9 years, 4 months ago

I knew we didn't have a chance when I saw that expensive looking watch on his wrist. I won't violate KU Sports guidelines, and state the obvious, but I'm sure you all get my drift. I hope the Harrison twins never let him touch the ball next year. What a short sighted decision on his part.

RockemChalkemRobot 9 years, 4 months ago

of course it's a short sided decision. He will only be there for one year. Same way as he would have only been at Kansas for one year.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

I get what you are saying about Randall but he might not get nearly as much time as he would at Kansas. A large group of possible OADs are not leaving or at least they have said they weren't leaving. There will definitely be a lot of talent sitting on the bench at Kentucky next year. They might as well get Wiggins as well. Watching them play "it's all about me" basketball this year would be tame as compared to what next year could be.

JJHAWK 9 years, 4 months ago

A mostly stupid observation - mine: When I first saw the picture above, I didn't think Randle would be coming to KU. Reason - lack of warmth and alertness in his smile. When you look back at your favorite KU players, some of our best, they all had great smiles and flashed them constantly. Chalmers, Jackson, Manning, Collins, Heinrich, etc. All of our big men over the last few years have had great smiles. Pick your own favorite KU players - if you think about it I'll bet they have really nice smiles. I know one thing, sure makes it easy to root for them.

yates33333 9 years, 4 months ago

If the twins let him touch it it will be as a rebound. They are not known for distributing the ball.

diegohawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Too bad Julius. Hey if your heart ain't in ain't in it. I would have enjoyed cheering for you wearing a KU uni. Oh well. Congrats Kentucky! You are getting a solid talent for next year and it sounds as you will have a very talented team.

I personally like the way ours is shaping up as well. We have a lot more talent coming back and coming in then some people may realize.

"My take"
-Wayne Selden is going to be a beast. Smaller more athletic version with better ball skills than Paul Pierce. Pierce had some grit. So does this kid. I remember playing Paul up at Robinson a few times. Grit even for the pickup games.
-Brannen Greene is like a brighter offensively superior while slightly less athletic version of Brandon Rush.
-Conner will remind lots of people of Tyrel Reed but will have a bigger impact than Reed earlier in his career. His change of pace dribble is wicked and his shot can be as close to automatic as any I've seen. I have family who watch him in Wichita. Kid is legit.
-Jo Jo Embiid. Wow what a ceiling. Haven't seen this kind of promise, at this position, at this size since CJ Giles. Difference is by all accounts Jo Jo is as good a kid as there is. Mix that character and work ethic with that ceiling. Look out for the possibilities.
-Frank Mason is strong with the ball on offense, can get to the rack and can play physical defense. Bill likes this one. I like this one.
-Landon is "going to be a load". If its true that his footwork is improving I could see him getting 6 and 6 next year. -J Traylor will have another year in the system. I like how he's worked on the 15' stroke. Attack and work on free throws.
-Perry will have another year of confidence and the system. His ceiling is also higher than some people think. I just hopes he reaches it. I'm rooting for you Perry! -Naadir will be tough to beat out for time. He has so much confidence.
-Anrio will challenge him more than some of you think and I look for the off season to bring in quite a battle.
AW3 will grow into a shot making and rebounding stud. It may take another two years but the kid has it in him. Defense will be his liability as there are other more athletic guys at his position on the roster who will move better laterally. Both with good size.

I hope Rio and AW3 stick it out as their future is bright. The team could be really good if all gels and the focus is on team other than SELF. Bill is good at getting that out of most teams. We are so lucky to have him.

We have a lot of varying state players of the year, gatorade players of the year, high academic, high athleticism with high ceilings. This is gonna be fun watching it all come together.

HawksWin 9 years, 4 months ago

Randle's recruiting game reminds me of Deandre Daniels & Tarc whatever his name was. Whatever happened to them? Best to you Randle.

Thomas Harrison 9 years, 4 months ago

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KU_alum_2001 9 years, 4 months ago

Show some class, guys. It's not the first recruit we've lost and won't be the last. Being disappointed is one thing; questioning someone's character because he didn't make the choice we wanted is another. He picks a different hat and suddenly you're his biggest fans.

To steal a line from Anchorman, "Stay classy, Lawrence."

jhox 9 years, 4 months ago

Had he chosen Texas or Florida it would have been easier to swallow. This decision makes absolutely no sense.

Bob Forer 9 years, 4 months ago

You win some; you lose some. Would have been nice to have him for a year, but considering that next year will be the closest KU ever comes to "rebuildings" his presence would not have been enough to make us a NC caliber team. I'd rather have four year players who are able to positively impact the team for at least two years. Experience usually trumps raw talent in the NCAA, especially come tourney time.

We be fine without him.

9 years, 4 months ago

What are we, 0-for-lots on hat ceremonies? Oh well.

Wiggins, come on down :^)

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think the chances that Wiggins goes to UK probably reduced even more, BUT I have a hard time seeing him joining us either! :( Think it's HONESTLY between FSU or UNC for him.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

The way these kids think, I think it increases the chances that Wiggins will go to Kentucky. Lots of these kids are long on flash but short on sense. The truth is, it's just a one year loss. I'd rather have seniors.

Benz Junque 9 years, 4 months ago

Short on sense? For going to Kentucky? What are you talkign about? If Wiggins goes to Kentucky, I would almost expect them to roll to a national title with an undefeated record.

Phoggy_Notion 9 years, 4 months ago

@twocoach14, I think the ESPNinsider message boards are calling your name.

Glen Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Wiggins isn't coming here. He's pretty solid on FSU and if he doesn't go there he'll go to UNC. I wish this weren't true, but I have read or heard nothing about KU in a possitive light when it comes to Wiggins. We seem to be a very longshot at best. I'm ok with that because honestly what one and done player that has come here was really worth it?? Selby was horrendous, Henry was solid but not spectacular. If a kid is only going to be here for a year then he better pull a BMac.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

I think that's a bit harsh in regards to Selby, guy helped KU win some games. Yes I'd rather have seen him play very limited minutes in the tourney after his injury, but can't blame him for that.

Wiggins would put KU in the title conversation, no doubt it would be a big deal if he chose KU. I wasn't too worried about either before 'cause I had such low expectations for next year, but now that Tharpe is playing so well, Perry is playing so well, add a guy like Wiggins to that, add a RS-Freshmen Lucas to RS-Soph Traylor, to Embiid, Mason, Frankamp, Selden, Greene and Sophomores 'Rio and AW3 and who knows. Just the trio of Tharpe, Wiggins, Ellis looks like it would be tough for other teams to deal with. Wiggins would be key to another Big12 title run as well. I'm not getting my hopes up, don't feel like he's seriously considering KU, but it'd be MASSIVE if he did.

kcmojayhawker 9 years, 4 months ago

Agree, Wiggins will choose FSU or UNC. Coach Self doesn't appeal to some of these selfish types, look at our roster of guys who have waited their turn. Randle may have expected to play a lot immediately and the way Ellis has played the last week may have raised that question. We still do not know what Lucas looks like, Coach Self said a week ago he would be a load. Ellis was a concern early on, but I feel much better about next years team w/o the highly touted Randle & Wiggins. Bill Self finds a way to extract the best play from these guys, we have to trust in his style of coaching.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 4 months ago

Please don't make this fan base look bad by making a bunch of sour grapes comments.

We are Kansas.

We are Fine.

We are #1.

Ryan Zimmerman 9 years, 4 months ago

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Steve Quatrocky 9 years, 4 months ago


4 More Wins is the best "revenge" as that will make us #1 on the all time wins list, three ties us with KY now that their season is done its a golden opportunity to take over the crown. Winning is the right way to react!

Not sour grapes but honestly, if you can visit Kansas on GameDay, see the history, feel the love, meet Coach Self and discuss how you would be used and not pick KU knowing all the spots are open for competition next year, then he wasn't the right kid for our program, although he was extremely well spoken and seemed very mature, not spoiled, in his announcement ceremony.

At least the GameDay blow out over Texas queered their deal and he isn't staying in the Big 12.

actorman 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't know where you got your numbers, KUGrad, but I believe KU is currently 12 behind UK, not 3. (UK was up by 20 going into the season and KU has gained 8 so far.)

That being said, there's still a golden opportunity available to get a lot closer to catching the Evil Empire.

Omari Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

It was 12 at the beginning of the year. But Kentucky won 21 this year and we're sitting on 29 right now. That puts us 4 back with games to play.

KUbsee69 9 years, 4 months ago

Nope, actorman is correct ... it was 20 at the beginning of the season, and it's now 12.

Steve Quatrocky 9 years, 4 months ago

I stand corrected, I used the wrong column at Wiki, duh! Sorry for getting everyone overexcited but gaining on the evil empire is still the best revenge!

We started the season #2 with 2070, the margin was -20 to KY at 2090 and +5 on NC at 2065. So, currently, they still lead us by 12, you are 100% correct. Lets get it to single digits!! Would love to start 2013-14 at -6 or -7 and then let the young kids on both squads decide who deserves it more with us off a NC or FF and them off a 1st round NIT humbling, with or without Noel.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 4 months ago

Some were reporting we're about 10 wins behind them, I don't really care, but facts are facts.

Joseph Bullock 9 years, 4 months ago

I think we are 12 wins behind Kentucky, but you might want to check that.

Steve Quatrocky 9 years, 4 months ago


4 More Wins is the best "revenge" as that will make us #1 on the all time wins list, three ties us with KY now that their season is done its a golden opportunity to take over the crown. Winning is the right way to react!

Not sour grapes but honestly, if you can visit Kansas on GameDay, see the history, feel the love, meet Coach Self and discuss how you would be used and not pick KU knowing all the spots are open for competition next year, then he wasn't the right kid for our program, although he was extremely well spoken and seemed very mature, not spoiled, in his announcement ceremony.

Hal Urbanek 9 years, 4 months ago

Poor guy...not the first guy to be hypnotized by the "Great Svengali" of college hoops. OK Kentucky's number one class ends up finishing their season in "a 3,000 seat rickety gym in suburban Philly" (espn quote) You would think that the number one class could do better than that....problem is these guys obviously didn't/couldn't play like a team. Good luck Randle.....

Janet Olin 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm not surprised about his choice based on reading yesterday that he took an entire media entourage with him shopping for his fancy suit, then the team caps so he could play the ESPN hat game. Players who come to Kansas don't grandstand like that, and thank goodness.

Mark Lindrud 9 years, 4 months ago

We have a very talented group coming in and we have some quality guys coming back. Self really doesn't attract the OAD types. With Perry starting to develop Randle figured his minutes maybe cut short and may not start. We don't know for sure. A possible projected starting lineup though: SF: Selden PF: Ellis C: Lucas SG: White PG: Tharpe

Bench: Wesley, Adams, Traylor, Frankamp, Greene. Lots of youth overall, but lots of promise. Sounds to me like we are still reloading!

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

LOL- Funniest recruiting saga. I can't believe he chose uk. Well, the Sleaze did it again, even as a LOSER!.

Good Luck Julius with Loser Calipari

Kyle Sybesma 9 years, 4 months ago

Cal's gotta be thinking this is the kinda recruit we need to get past an 8 seed in the NIT on the road.

kucapcity91 9 years, 4 months ago

good luck too you sir, couch cal must of padded his pockets pretty good. cant see why not KU when we have tons of PT next yr for the 4 spot..

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

If Randle picked KU he would have grabbed big minutes at Power Forward, true.

I like Perry Ellis at the 4, even more after watching his game elevate over the last month. Traylor, Lucas and Embiid will make for a young yet talented front court next year. We're fine, we're more than fine. It will be Traylor's third year in the program, Ellis and Lucas will be here for their second years. Embiid is trending up, way up towards the NBA in skills and potential.

And don't count out the value of an undersized yet athletic, 5th year senior in Justin Wesley. Teahan and now Young have shown what a 5th year role player can add to stabilizing team play when the light doesn't come on, especially in non-conference, for players like Lucas and Embiid who will be getting their first minutes at the Div-1 level.

dylans 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe I'm delusional, but missing on Randle may be a good thing. Without Randle eating up minutes as a one and done; Perry gets those minutes and matures more next season than is possible on the bench.

It would be awesome to have a player of that caliber, but Selby didn't rock my world and I feel as if Travis would have benefited from those minutes. Travis is good now, but could he be better? Would KU be better now without OAD Selby? Will KU be better in 2-3 years without OAD Randle?

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

@dylans You don't sound delusional to me. I think Perry would still have received significant minutes, almost certainly, though I think we will have to rely much more on Embiid and Lucas providing solid play. I think from your perspective here that this will help Lucas the most in his long term development. Embiid sounds like an impact player in one way or another–personally I hope he and Traylor provide a decent shot blocking presence for 40 minutes. I think our front court will be solid on the boards again too once they all understand and dedicate themselves to getting after it on a Div-1 Power 6 level.

Ron Prichard 9 years, 4 months ago

The only part that is delusional is your comment about Wesley. Yes, he's a good guy, but if he is ever needed to provide more than mop up minutes we are in serious trouble. Just look at how much he played last year when we were extremely thin to how much he plays this year. He's got another year of maturity but he doesn't play at all. That doesn't bode well for playing time in his fifth year.

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

@raprichard Your extending my point real well when you say "Just look at how much he played last year". Yes, indeed, he provided quite a few minutes last year. All he needs to do is step in, play some defense when needed, grab some boards and play a solid team game for a stretch. You should also recognize that I have him as the fifth big and not necessarily in the rotation which I'm covering in the second paragraph. That's hardly delusional.

If you think 5th year seniors who don't play much until their last go around only means trouble, explain how KU got to the Final's last year with Conner Teahan as the fourth guard in the rotation and mainly the only guard off of the bench? I don't think I was even coming close to expressing that Wesley is going to be the next Conner, we're too deep for that, and the point of the post is that we are more than fine in the front court next year. We even have extra value in a fifth year guy with some meaningful playing time. Don't underestimate that he does have value early on in non-conference if we need an experienced team player to keep team flow on offense and good defensive shape on the other side of the court.

You should not expect a Freshman in November and early December to step in and have your team principles solid. It's a team game. We play Duke next year in November and they'll be young too. Ellis and Traylor will need to be supported with bench play and Wesley just might be the guy to step in against a big time opponent like Duke after playing with a lot of high end talent over the past 3 years in Lawrence along with that playing time you mention.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 4 months ago

Well said. The much-maligned Wesley was in the rotation for a team that made the championship game. We heard the same nonsense at the beginning of this season too -- "If Kevin Young [shudder] is in the starting lineup, we're TOTALLY SCREWED."

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

Cheers hawk_of_ages. Wesley has played this role before and it's a good positive to have next year.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 4 months ago

I can't say that I am surprised. I had a gut feeling it was going to be Kentucky. What I don't understand is why? Man, if I am Dakari Johnson or Marcus Lee...I am ticked right about now.

Also, I am starting to question Mascott's "Sources" over at The Shiver. Every big recruiting battle he's gotten wrong.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

That's what I'm wondering, is Lee still going to end up at UK if Poythress, Wiltjer, WCS return and Randle and Johnson coming in? Why? He should basically ask to be let out of his commitment and go literally anywhere else.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 4 months ago

Kids today don't want to have to put in the you would under Self and Hudy.

hawkmoon2020 9 years, 4 months ago

If the young man feels UK is the best fit, then I respect that. No doubt UK will be very tough next season, but our Hawks will still be strong, and fun to watch. Damn hat tricks. We always fall for those.

brooksmd 9 years, 4 months ago

UK was suppose to be tough this year yet Coach Sleaze couldn't get that #1 recruiting class to play together long enough to beat an 8 seed in the NIT. He'll have fun trying to keep all those egos happy and playing together next year. Who knows, there may yet be some UK players available on the market soon.

Travis Osier 9 years, 4 months ago

Wow...that hurts. We really needed that to keep up with UK next season. They will win it all again. I actually think they will be better than last, just wow..

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 4 months ago

They will be loaded talent-wise, but I wouldn't be surprised if they imploded again with all the egos they have to deal with.

JHWK 9 years, 4 months ago

Right - just as hard as it was this year...oh, wait, no, that's not correct....troll. At least you have a lot of free time woowoo, now that watching even mediocre basketball is no longer an option. KU plays at 9:50EST Friday if you want to see what the other team that was in the NC last year is up to....

Phoghorn 9 years, 4 months ago

Yep, this prettymuch dooms KU to decades of futility...UKnow it...

Travis Osier 9 years, 4 months ago

Troll?!?....HA... I'm a huge KU fan and legitimately pissed we lost on a great player...I hate UK and always have. I hope they lose every game..but let's be realistic, they will be legit next year..nice try though.

Phoghorn 9 years, 4 months ago

I think everybody is quick to sound the Troll Alarm after Highway Man and his repeated appearances on here.

cklarock 9 years, 4 months ago

I agree, Kentucky will be better next year. They might even get 2 NIT wins.

yates33333 9 years, 4 months ago

UK fans ought to stick to their own fan pages. Having these comments like calling people trolls isn't KU's style and now you've made guithawk do it.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

They lost the better part of last year's #1 recruiting class but replaced it with this year's #1 class.

So what happened?

Cal's players care more about getting into the NBA than playing like a team. If there ever was a "it's all about me" program than Kentucky fits perfectly into that category.

And with next year's #1 recruiting class, it could go either way. NCAA champions or bounced out of the NIT in the first round.

And weren't they legit this past season? They were ranked as high as #3 in the preseason polls.

tahawk81 9 years, 4 months ago

Well done, wish we could have landed him. We will be fine next year with Perry at the 4.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 9 years, 4 months ago

Good point. Perry has come on strong. Still disappointing though. I don't understand how a recruit could look at UK and think its a better situation than KU at this time.

Travis Osier 9 years, 4 months ago

Wow...that hurts. I thought we had a chance to land Randle today. Stupid hats! We really needed that to keep up with UK next season. They will win it all again. I actually think they will be better than last, just wow..

Travis Osier 9 years, 4 months ago

Troll?...what are you talking about? I guarantee I'm a bigger KU fan than you will ever be numbnuts! I'm legitimately pissed we lost out on a good player.

actorman 9 years, 4 months ago

You know how it is, woowoowoo: you say the slightest thing negative about KU (or positive about a rival), and some idiot is going to jump down your throat and accuse you of being a troll.

Travis Osier 9 years, 4 months ago

No worries....I think we're all in a little shock. I really did think he was coming here. I worked from home today just to watch it on tv...oh we'll, on to Friday and hopefully a NC!

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

Wiggins? I will be even more shocked if we land Wiggins. I won't be too shocked if we don't.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I'd be shocked if we land Wiggins, but I think I'd ACTUALLY be even MORE shocked if he went to about a BAD FIT!!!!

Even though there've been those constant FSU rumors I've been saying all along that once they popped up on the radar I suspect he'll be a Tar Heel.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

As I said before, because these kids are long on style and short on sense, Wiggins probably will go to Kentucky.

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

The last word I heard was that UNC gained some ground with Wiggins. Who knows anymore.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 4 months ago

Kansas doesn't have Pity Parties. We are above that.

Chin Up.


en1gmatikk 9 years, 4 months ago

Kentucky now has the greatest recruiting class assembled in the last 3 decades, anything less than the 2014 title will be a letdown.

Chris1955 9 years, 4 months ago

No, anything less than an undefeated season will be a let down.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 4 months ago

Six McDonald's All-Americans, Six top 20 recruits, 4 recruits named the #1 player at their almost seems impossible for one program to get this much talent.

This class makes the Fab Five look like chopped liver. And with 3 five-star recruits returning, this team has no ceiling... Except maybe at the coaching position.

What ever happens, I think this might end the ridiculous requirement of waiting one year after high school graduation to go into the NBA.

Kip_McSmithers 9 years, 4 months ago

It was nice of him to wait until kentuckys season was over so he didn't steal any of the current kentucky/future nba superstars' thunder....

chaggs 9 years, 4 months ago

Another notch in Calipari's headboard

Rob Bedford III 9 years, 4 months ago

Now we can spend countless hours talking about Wiggins who will not be picking KU.

Justin Lindsley 9 years, 4 months ago

Who cares? i like the 4 year guy! Ben is awesome and I wouldn't trade him for anyone. However, I like Travis, EJ, Kevin, Jeff more. I like to watch a player grow up over time. Don't get me wrong.... getting the top recruits is great. Perry is great example. I is going to be big time next year and hopefully for another year or two after that. Rock Chalk!

RJ King 9 years, 4 months ago

Agree. And the thing about Ben is that because he was here for two years, he had the chance to live with, practice with, hang out with, and bond with the team twice as much as an OAD. That extra time - and his personality - went a long way toward team chemistry.

Granted, we'd like him to be a little more agressive and visible at times - but he was never disruptive or high maintenance like many true OAD's.

Kyle Sybesma 9 years, 4 months ago

This doesn't make sense. Cal has a history of putting great guards in the NBA. Self has a history big men in the NBA. We are closer to hom and will be playing in TX and OK. We clearly have playing time available next year. He would most likely be our leading scorer. UK has no idea who is staying and leaving. Maybe most are leaving since they didn't show up for Robert Morris. Which goes to show how great of a recruiter Cal is and how bad of a coach. This decision baffles me.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Even if most are leaving he'd still be "battling" Wiltjer, D. Johnson & Mc. Lee for playing time down low.

Not just a baffling decision but an idiotic one.

punchee 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm beginning to think that UK is marketing itself as a cool place to hang out for one-and-done's. It's not about playing for UK and winning a championship; It's about hanging around and working out with other first-round talent until you're draft eligible.

Benz Junque 9 years, 4 months ago

What are you talakign about? Kentucky will be the preseason #1 heading into next year with the signing of Randle.

Benz Junque 9 years, 4 months ago

What are you talking about? Kentucky will be the preseason #1 heading into next year with the signing of Randle.

Phoghorn 9 years, 4 months ago

I seriously doubt that signing one player is going to put them all the way at the top. Regardless, the preseason #1 means nothing. You don't get to hang a banner in your barn for that.

brooksmd 9 years, 4 months ago

And hang-out in that fancy new basketball dorm. Yeah I know supposedly some regular students get to live there, but only if mommy and daddy have the bucks to afford it.

actorman 9 years, 4 months ago

"This doesn't make sense."

Nope, it makes cents, as in cha-ching.

Chad Burroughs 9 years, 4 months ago

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Jonathan Briles 9 years, 4 months ago

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LeadFarmer 9 years, 4 months ago

Did he forget to watch Selection Sunday before picking?

Justin Lindsley 9 years, 4 months ago

People who have to work for and earn their spot appreciate so much more. Its also more fun to watch someone who really cares play for your team rather than a guy who is just putting in his mandatory one year!

Todd Simpson 9 years, 4 months ago

well I'm just gonna put this out there...Coach Cal complained in public about his players all season...#1 recruiting class hmmmm fail to get in the big dance then fail in the NIT maybe a CBI invite would have been better for them lol. It didn't really suprise me that he chose UK over KU because he didn't look like he was having any fun in the AFH environment and I wonder if its like the players said to HCBS when Humpries wanted to come to Kansas and the players told HCBS no way he isn't a team player. Who knows why he chose we can only speculate

Ethan Berger 9 years, 4 months ago

Well I guess we can't say we are shocked. Randle would have rather jumped to the NBA then go to college, so he goes to UK who is run like an NBA team. Cals dominance in recruiting is scary. But I have a feeling next year, they will have to many stars. If all but Noel returns, then who gets the playing time. Are they all unselfish enough to sacrifice time? We are watching history in the making. Kentucky just secured the best incoming class of all time. I honestly feel bad for the UK program. Not because of everyone else reasons, but because they don't get to know players. Every single year, their best players leave after one year. After this year, look for a rule change. Rather on the NBA or NCAA side. Cal has spit out one good pro in Derek Rose (Cousins is good but has major attitude problems). To many kids have made the early jump from Cals program. If it keeps happening, the NBA might extend it another year. Also if next years team does anything worst then an Elite 8, Cal deserves to be let go. I have a feeling all but Noel will return next year, making it the most talented team maybe in College basketball history. If they don't gel, cal goes down as one of the worst coaches in recent memory.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

I guess my gut was wrong about this. Oh well. I'm sure we'll have a pretty tight group again next year that we'll have fun watching develop and exceed our expectations again.

Would have loved to have him, as there really was a need, but there is no reason to despair at all.

Let's go win a title now this year!

Lance Cheney 9 years, 4 months ago

No big surprise here. We can never land these top recruits for some reason, even though we are always "in the running." We have just as good of a track record, if not better than a lot of these places. We have the longest active streak of NCAA tournament appearances, we're consistently a top 5 or top 10 team, along with an incredible tradition/history. I just can't figure out how we miss out on these top-ranked recruits constantly. But don't get me wrong, he would've been a nice get, but I'm not worried, because Bill's going to coach 'em up, no matter who we have.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

For a lot of kids, I think geography is a problem. Sure, Randle is close comparatively, but he's only one loss. Kids are attracted to the coasts. National Championship titles bears this out. It's certainly not the university's or Self's fault.

Robbk1066 9 years, 4 months ago

Never had a real chance with this kid. Wont get Wiggins (FSU) either. We do not attract the full ego kids like coach Cal. or others do. Watched the press conference reminded me of T Jones, all the hype the kid was acting like Lebron, knew right away he was going to UK. He will end up like most of the other one and gones coach Cal frosh guys are, forgotten and undevloped on the back end of some NBA roster. Shame i thought this guy was different but in the end he wasn't. We will go with what we have, which is pretty nice, 3rd class overall, and Self and coach's will get us ranked in top 10 for most of year and we will all have fun.

Rob Bedford III 9 years, 4 months ago

Most of his players sit a few spots ahead of former KU players with a few exceptions. Just being honest.

Robbk1066 9 years, 4 months ago

Well Robphog our players are typically not TOP 3 Recruits so I would expect that. Think about it before you post, Cal is getting top 10 recruits year after and other than Rose, you never hear from them again. When was our last top 1,2 or 3 recruit? Come on the guy is a clearing house. T Jones could have been delveoped, heck look at what happened at UK this year, Cal had to coach this year get them to buy in and could not do it. He can not develop talent.

Rob Bedford III 9 years, 4 months ago

Coach Self develops great college players that do not do much in the NBA.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

Selby and Henry were both those elite of the elite recruits in high school.

Alex Berger 9 years, 4 months ago

What about Demarcus Cousins, John Wall, Tyreke Evans, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Brandon Knight, Eric Bledsoe, and Anthony Davis? They are all starters and those are just off the top of my head. Sorry bro, I'm as bummed as anyone about not getting Randle but Calipari has mastered turning UK into a minor league team. Cal gets them to the NBA and Self makes players sacrifice for the sake of the team. We'll just have to hope that Kentucky chokes next year.

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 4 months ago

Character reflects leadership. He would have not beaten Perry out at the four spot in Self's system next year anyway. He wants to start for a year and go pro. I am completely fine with not having a ton of one and done's, (I dont consider Ben a one and done). For some of these kids all a guy like Cal has to talk about is rappers, bling, and only having to actually get passing grades for a semester. Cal is doing a serious diservice to these young men and it speaks to a greater problem in our society. I sure am glad I got my degree.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think Calipari has the EASIEST job in America.

How many kids that are good enough and consider Kentucky don't go with them????

The only ones that I see don't go with them and are still OAD material are the ones who most would claim are "smart" - i..e, Kyrie Irving & Jabari Parker & they both chose Duke. There was a one year hiccup where suddenly UCLA was the fad (last year) & I think that had more to do with a "friend of a friend" type of deal.

but pretty much year-in-and-year out Only 3-4 programs ALWAYS land these Top 10 guys - Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina or Arizona. And if ALL you care about is the NBA period, then you choose Kentucky.

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

A freshman named Perry Ellis also had the Sleaze in and out of Wichita. He's pretty smart and chose KU. Ellis is a kid of character and an outstanding player.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think he also considered Duke at one time. I think he's smart enough to "see through" Calipari.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 4 months ago

+++1000...For all the krap flying around on this board today, yours may be the most logical of all posts, even if Perry plays the 3.Throw in Lebron, Nike & WWW & it's a score.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

You do realize Randle wasn't going to be competing with Ellis for a starting spot? Bill Self has used two 4s in the starting line up before. Randle's competition for the second post position would've been Lucas, Embiid, and Traylor.

justinryman 9 years, 4 months ago

That gives them the #3, 5, 6, 7, 11 and 18 ranked recruitsaccording to ESPN, on papaer that is better than Michigans Fab5. Plus they have a 3 star PF coming in too.

How many years will these players be there? 1. If they acheive they leave for the pros, if they do what they did this year Cal talks them into going pro or transfering so he can keep his 1 and dones coming in and going out.

Is it right? No. But the NCAA allows it. I don't agree that Cal takes advantage of this rule, cause I like honesty in a person.

The NCAA won't let a coach buy a player a sandwich after his dad dies, because it's an illegal benifit, but the yallow this.

Talk about your backwards thinking idiots

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 4 months ago

You remember what happened to the fab 5 correct? Very rarely is a coach able to mesh those kind of ego's together for one year and win a ship. Look at the Miami Heat, Fab 5, Kentucky this year. I am thankful everyday that we get the recruits that we get and HCBS is our coach. That is right our COACH, not marketer, not agent, our coach. Cal is Cal and when you put your hand in the cookie jar too many times eventually someone says it is time to stop taking the cookies. I would not be surprised if it were someone close to the program that eventually sees the dollar signs from reveal.

kugrad93 9 years, 4 months ago

I remember what happened to the Fab 5. They made it to the national championship game two years in a row.

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 4 months ago

Actually, all of the "fab 5's" wins were vacated, do you see what I did there?

AirCapJay 9 years, 4 months ago

He reminds me of Selby. He will be a dud.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I honestly don't think any recruit's decision has made me madder.

Just plain and simple a pretty freakin' easy decision to come here and he messed it up.

When 2/3 of media experts all talk about what a great fit here, he should go here, etc, etc.

Kind of hoping he struggles and Marcus Lee takes a stranglehold of the PF spot there and he has to come off the bench.

lurkerhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

I had a feeling he was going elsewhere after he tweeted about the experts making him laugh or something along those lines.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Um...maybe because they're smarter than him in terms of seeing the sensible fit?!?!? :) LOL!!!

Rock Chalk 9 years, 4 months ago

That is why he was laughing. The joke was on us.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 4 months ago

Well, no bitterness, just disappointment...Julius did say he wanted to play with the Harrisons. I think Bill, the players and Jayhawk Nation did everything possible so no regrets.

I think Andrew ends up back in Florida, so next year looks like Tharpe, Selden, Ellis, Embiid/Lucas, Greene with Traylor, Frankamp, White III, Mason & Rio off the bench.

[Is it just me or does Mom look none too thrilled in the photo above.]

Woody Cragg 9 years, 4 months ago

Looks like a Mother bird guarding the fledgling. We're all mamas boys at heart.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think getting neither - while his position isn't near the PF or SF positions that Randle or Wiggins would play - makes R. Adams that much more non-expendable. Need him to develop and be a contributor - probably like Ru. Robinson who thought he would star & start coming in but was relegated to the bench but proved invaluable as the years went by. I could see the same path for Rio though I think his upside is probably higher than Russell's was too....maybe not defensively though.

RJ King 9 years, 4 months ago

Developmentally, Russ Rob had a couple extra stars coming in (5 to 3). Although Rio is taller, Russ Rob compensated with smart play and a willingness to fit into the system.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think if you were to ask his Mom her top two choices in order were1) UT followed by 2) KU. Probably a bit of why she doesn't look happy - - - probably KNOWING that UT's getting eliminated FOR SURE as they're watching that game.

Since79 9 years, 4 months ago

No worries here. Our consistency will live on!

Bill McCollum 9 years, 4 months ago

"We are Kansas. We are Fine." Totally agree. Respect the young man's decision and move on. Last I checked, we have loftier goals and concerns over the next 3 weeks than one recruit's decision.

DocBean 9 years, 4 months ago

The logo on his hoodie in that picture says all you need to hear. Until we can drop Adidas's big $ contract and switch to Nike, then we won't get these kids. However, Self has proven he doesn't need them to win. I can't imagine how good he would be with them.

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 4 months ago

If that were the reason kids were going to Kentucky then I am sure we would be under a Nike contract right now.

thmdmph 9 years, 4 months ago

His decision was made long before his official KU visit. We made a big impression, but his mind already made.

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

“I think like they did the year before the team’s been a unit. I play USA Basketball with a lot of great players so I think I’ll adjust well. I think it’s the best fit for me. It’s where I was in my heart, I wanted to be at Kentucky.”

Randle joked that he was out to dinner for last night’s Kentucky loss to Robert Morris in the NIT, “but I heard about it.”

If he knew in his heart, why waste all this time and make visits? Just pick if your heart is ready. Also, we'll see how funny it is when he's losing to teams like Robert Morris.

dehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe he was using it as leverage to get the playing time he wanted. I am sure it didn't hurt to hear Cal throw his players under the bus and talk a lot about less playing time for the current players. I'm disappointed but I will respect the decision the Randle family made for themselves. The ones I feel bad for are the current players who went into this thinking they would be the ones with the next big contract. Looks like they won't be able to prove themselves now.

darthevan 9 years, 4 months ago

Kansas allows certain players to receive certain things that they probably shouldn't but that their families need. Anyone who knows a few people in the program knows it. Kentucky allows it to happen in much greater amounts A LOT more often. When he was at Memphis, Cal arranged for players to work summer "internships" at FedEx where they made about $60K. Imagine what he can do with Kentucky's resources. I'd have been shocked if Randle had chosen us. When was the last time KU won one of these hat game things? // The NCAA doesn't dig too deep because if it did, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. The NCAA needs KU, UK, UNC, UCLA, IU, etc. to be successful. March Madness is their baby - especially with the BCS football schools threatening to leave every other year. Duke is probably the "cleanest" program out there because they're mostly a bunch of prep-school White kids with rich parents. // KU will be fine, it seems like we lose two All-American talents every year. Coach has the machine running very well. Every single big guy he's recruited to KU has been drafted. // Wiggins will probably choose UNC. They only have like two incoming players. He's a one-and-done anywhere he goes. Do you guys still wear those Josh Selby or Xavier Henry jerseys on game day? One-and-dones aren't THAT special. He can't be Carmelo. We have nothing to worry about.

hawkmoon2020 9 years, 4 months ago

JR will definitely be a "good" pro in the NBA with his inside game. That's why he could have really shined with the Hawks. Upside for UK: enough returning and recruiting stars to win a NC next season vs. a young KU team with a slight chance at a NC. In the end, I think UK will have an outstanding season, but WILL NOT get a NC.

wisjayhawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

knew he was going to pick uk cause if you noticed the brim on all the hats were flat except the uk hat was bent and look like it was fitted for him already. lol. oh well rock chalk!

dynamitehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Hmm. Good for him. Good for Kentucky. Not a big fan of these ceremonies. I wonder if he will regret his decision on UK. Feels like Daniel Orton 2.0. Kentucky will be a crowded place, and I bet several of these kids will transfer.

Kyle Sybesma 9 years, 4 months ago

That's an interesting observation. I wonder if anyone will transfer instead of going to the NBA. Hmmmm. They'll probably end up in Ames like the others if they do.

Robbk1066 9 years, 4 months ago

Dyna i was thinking the same thing, worth a call right?

rtwngr 9 years, 4 months ago

Kentucky that lost to Robert Morris University? See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya! Hey look who's a #1 seed in the Big Dance again. The team you didn't choose. Hahahahahaha!

Sam Constance 9 years, 4 months ago

Well, Randle apparently isn't as cerebral as his scouting reports might've suggested.

I'm pretty p.o.'d right now, but not because I'm worried about Kansas Basketball. I think ultimately we will be fine, and I'm excited to watch The Tailor develop at the 4 spot next year. I'm ticked because this recruitment battle is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with college basketball recruiting.

Personally, I don't think there has been a stronger example in recent memory of the suspicion that Cal is compensating his recruits in some way or another. Because there is simply no logical reason for Randle to choose Kentucky. None. They have a log jam at his position (which I'm sure he thinks he'll come in and win the battle for, but still), they are coming off a completely terrible year, the coach he's playing for has a history of developing guards and the coach he snubbed has a history of developing big men.

There is only one thing that could possibly have swayed him, and that's either a bag of cash (or cash equivalent) for his family, or some kind of guarantee from Mr. NBA--World Wide Wes--about getting bonafide connections within NBA circles and thereby increasing his draft/contract prospects.

More than anything, I'm just angry at the stupidity required to make such a terrible decision. Have fun playing for the basketball meat grinder. I hope you play well and your team succeeds, otherwise you'll be the one getting thrown under the bus so that Coach Slime can save face and make room for the next bunch of savants he's paying to come in.

Good riddance

Chris Shaw 9 years, 4 months ago

You must have been pretty vested in this recruitment?

Like I said in my other posts...this doesn't have anything to do with Randle IMO. I would be ticked if I was Marcus Lee or Dakari Johnson right now. Especially if Poythress and WCS supposedly come back which is being reported at the moment. For those guys it doesn't make sense to me.

Sam Constance 9 years, 4 months ago

No. Not any more than any recruit. Again, it's more my frustration with the way this crap tends to go anymore.

I'm not sure how you can just categorically declare that this has nothing to do with Randle. He's the one who made the choice. And I simply thing it's strange for someone to pick a school that has a huge scrum at the position he would likely play.

Chris Shaw 9 years, 4 months ago

Kansas better get their "Championship" this year. I don't see how there is enough "PT" for everyone, but if Wiltjer, Goodwin, WCS, and Poythress all come back...that is one stacked team. I am not buying it though. All 4 come back?

Twins Young Lee Johnson Randle

That is an equation for somebody to be unhappy.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Lee was the lowest rated one....he'll probably be the first one off the bench to sub in for EITHER Johnson or Randle.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

You think Lee, Johnson and Randle are all ahead of Poythress and WCS on the depth chart?

I think at least one of Goodwin or Poythress and possibly both still end up in the draft. Right now Cal has them down on themselves, but if they're smart they'll look into their NBA draft potential which still has to be pretty high. Then if they look at the competition they have coming in next year, I don't see why they'd want to stick around and possibly be riding pine by the end of the year.

lfhansen 9 years, 4 months ago

Slightly disappointed at first...

But got to thinking if I would rather have him or Ellis on the floor...after what Ellis has shown the past few weeks, I'll take Ellis

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Ummm, I would've thought that if we'd've landed him we'd've played both at once. No "5" on the floor and two "4" 's. Essentially what we did w/ the Morris twins.

yellowjeep 9 years, 4 months ago

Truth be told I am a little bit bummed by him not picking KU, BUT how many OAD have panned out for us when they come here? Selby? Nope. Henry? Underwhelming at best. I'm not even sure I would count Ben as a OAD since he has been in the program for 2 years now.

It seems to me that KU's team first mentality doesn't jive with the OAD personality type and on top of that if a kid doesn't want to come to KU I don't want him here anyway.

Every year we hear the same thing when we lose out on these top guys, but every year we are fine. Here is to 10 straight and 25 straight NCAA appearances.

yellowjeep 9 years, 4 months ago

Nothing against either of them personally. I just don't think OAD players and Kansas mix well for whatever reason.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 4 months ago

Again with these ridiculous comments about Xavier tanking when he was here? Where do people come up with this nonsense?

Janet Olin 9 years, 4 months ago

Forgot to mention Selby got released recently after his D-league stint.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 4 months ago

It's nice that you want to "debunk misperceptions" about Selby. I don't know why you can't give benefit of the doubt to Xavier as well. Freshmen are freshmen. No matter how talented, they go through ups and downs. If you're going to ask why Xavier was less aggressive later in the season you might as well ask the same of McLemore or scores of other players. It's called the freshman wall--and conference-level competition has something to do with it as well.

If you can point out these "direct quotes" from Bill Self that prove Xavier Henry was deliberately tanking to advance his NBA career and somehow "forcing" our guards to feed him the ball for as many attempts as possible, I will apologize. If not, you should apologize for slandering a KU player.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

I lived in the Towers that year and had many interactions with the players on the team. CJ Henry was the biggest pr*ck ever and Xavier was a nice kid caught in a lot of drama not of his own making that was created by his dad and brother who were both very entitled people. I really would've loved to have seen what that team could've done with CJ and Carl out of the picture because Xavier was a good player that was a solid contributor on that team and I think the drama with his dad and brother were really wearing on him towards the end of the season from what I could tell from my interactions with him.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, I've already read "Beyond the Phog," thanks.

All of your "evidence" is either already public knowledge or from Sherron's anecdotes in that book. No direct quotes from Self as you had promised. And absolutely nothing that substantiates your ugly accusation that Xavier deliberately tanked his season and somehow forced our guards to get him as many touches as possible.

As freshmen go, Xavier was pretty damn good. We finished 33-3 that year. If we had just squeaked out the win vs. UNI (as we almost did) and won a few more games, it would be remembered as one of the great KU teams of all time and he would be remembered with nothing but fondness. But since we (narrowly) lost in the 2nd round, the OAD guy with the loudmouth father becomes the necessary scapegoat. Whatever. He doesn't need me to defend him, I just hate to see KU players dragged through the mud.

hawk_of_ages 9 years, 4 months ago

I have no reason to disbelieve what Sherron says in the book (although I do think it's silly that he accuses Xavier of shooting too much, given that Sherron shot considerably more that year and was less efficient). But even Sherron doesn't accuse Xavier of tanking, as you do. That's where you're really crossing a line as far as I'm concerned.

Kyle Sybesma 9 years, 4 months ago

Disappointed but not worried. This year proves that HCBS is the best coach. He can do more with less year in and year out. Whole new starting 5 next year and we'll still be favored to win the Big 12.

Tyson Ailshie 9 years, 4 months ago

Exactly! How many McDonald's All American's on last years team? How many OADs? And we still get to the National Championship game with a chance to win it all. All done the right way. Now that's real coaching! No NIT in our future.

LJ Gee 9 years, 4 months ago

Honestly, the guy wasnt going to start over Perry next year anyway and he sure as hell wasnt going to come off the bench. Im pretty sure he saw how bad UK's "amazing" recruiting class from last year was last night and realized that despite tons of depth, he would start b/c there are no returning players worth a darn. Oh well. UK will be preseason #1 again but I dont see a repeat of last year. They still have no veteran leadership. Too many chiefs, not enough indians I think. We'll be fine. Im sure Perry and Jamari will be vastly improved next year (scary in Perry's case) and with Landen Lucas and Joel Embiid coming off the bench, our front court will be just fine. I bet we go farther next year than they do. ROCK CHALK!!!

Chris Shaw 9 years, 4 months ago

Huh? Randle would have started from Day one and would have played along side Perry.

Rob Bedford III 9 years, 4 months ago

I'll bet you are wrong. Just being honest.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

That article almost makes me want to cry.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

Nah, no one person is bigger than the sport. You can bet that while Kentucky may or may not have had the year to get into the NCAA tourney, the NCAA body, (which has its own problems, admittedly), was going to keep Kentucky out.

Also, remember the UCONN team that lost to George Mason? Their team next year, though stellar, are not locks. No team ever is.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 4 months ago

No shock here. Hopefully you & the squid have more fun next season. Also hope we can pickup 6 more W's on UK starting Friday. Spin it however you like, but between the server going down & the guys we already have, I just say adios little pony & "happy trails to you."

LJ Gee 9 years, 4 months ago

I can tell you this without hesitation though, there will be at least one kid, probably multiple, who regret choosing kensucky b/c there aint enough PT for the 4 guys that will come back and the 6 coming in. Thats A LOT of egos to manage and Im pretty sure Cal proved this year that isnt one of his fortes. Honestly, last years UK team was an anomaly in my mind - great talent, no egos - that doesnt happen often

Chris Shaw 9 years, 4 months ago

I am still waiting for the Bill Self phone call to Randle..."I think you're making a big mistake, Julius. Come be a Jayhawk!"

Julius: "Ok, I don't know what I was thinking"

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Probably feels pretty foolish for having bothered to go to his Semifinal game now! :(

Honestly, we should ONLY pursue highly-rated kids that DON'T have Kentucky on their lists - i.e., J. Parker & Selden - neither one had UK on their list OR kids who are rated lower than they should be - a'la Embiid that Kentucky hasn't had their hooks in for years.

Seems like our only chances.

Rob Bedford III 9 years, 4 months ago

Julius: I'll get back to you after I see Jay-Z in my luxury box.

TwinCitiesJHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Can please remove the picture and headline over to the side (minus the picture) and put our 5 starters and or coach up on the front page instead?

We are still focused on THIS YEAR and not next year like UK. Thank you kindly.

Pitthawk34 9 years, 4 months ago

Agreed I sick of looking at that photo.

lfhansen 9 years, 4 months ago

Should we start recruiting for Kentucky's potential transfers...

I'm sure they would be interested in playing for a real basketball school.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Pretty loudly being speculated that Harrow transfers which is pretty funny in that he'd ALREADY transferred IN from N.C. State.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think we need to save the two schollies that ARE available for after next season for Class of '14. We'll have noone graduating - no loss of another scholarship to fill. Only possibility at all would be if Selden would prove to OAD worthy. Something tells me that Selden's no better than 2AD like Arthur was.

Some would say - Great, go get Tyus Jones & Jahlili Okafor! No. 1 PG & No. 1 C. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I don't even see us on either's list any more (used to at least be on Tyus Jones's list - don't know why dropped off).

I'd like to see them get EITHER Jordan McLaughlin (although sounding like a UCLA-lean) or Josh Perkins (lower-rated, but sounds like a PERFECT fit!!!) from out of the Denver area.

Then not sure what I'd want to see them do with the 2nd schollie for Class of '14. Either a wing, PF or C.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 4 months ago

These '13 UK kids better be careful what they wish for...Wildcat Nation is starting to say that only an UNDEFEATED National Championship Season will not be a disappointment!!!

YIKES!! Now that's what I call pressure.

Something keeps nagging me about Karma and how life in most cases manages to upset most "sure things".....I get this feeling that there wil be turmoil in Lexington next season.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Ouch is right. Florida should STILL be pretty da*n good & difficult for them to beat next season.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Is Robert Morris on their schedule next year?

Jay Hawkinson 9 years, 4 months ago

Kentucky will certainly be the most talented squad in the country next year, but it will be interesting to see how they come together as a team. I was really impressed with how good the maturity and chemistry on their team last year was. Everyone really bought into the goal of winning a championship, and was unselfish and played hard on defense. It probably helped that a) their best player was known primarily as a shot blocker rather than as a scorer, and b) they had some non-freshman in their rotation.

I have to think that landing Randle will encourage some of the guys on this year's Kentucky (especially Cauley-Stein) team to go to the NBA sooner than they might've wanted to, so they may not have as many guys with experience on the floor as they did last year. And the Harrison twins have a reputation for being selfish, so there could be chemistry (not to mention shot selection) issues. They'll be too talented to flame out like they did this year, but it's not a given that they'll win the title.

Cameron Cederlind 9 years, 4 months ago

We're KU, we don't buy shirts because another team lost. The sign of a pathetic team and fan base is when they remember your loss more than you do (i.e. MU still mentioning Bucknell)

Phoggy_Notion 9 years, 4 months ago

dumb. go join the k-state and mizzou fan base.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

They weren't far off in 1990. 2 seed KU beat 15 seed RMU by 9 before losing to 7 seed UCLA in the next round.

woodscolt 9 years, 4 months ago

Those guys are a double edged sword. They can upset the whole apple cart and destroy the chemistry of the entire team. Jamari Trailor has 2 years of Self's intense learning. He will be a beast next year(been pretty awesome this year!!) We get our red shirt big back next year with a year of self training him and remember he was heavily recruited. We got Perry Ellis back next year with a year of training. Those guys will be awesome. That is a given. Randle might have been a dud or an attitude that distracted these guys and we know that won't happen now. That is the up side. Four fifth year seniors over one and dones makes for a more consistent program. Not to knock Josh Selby or Xavier Henry but they contributed very little. McLemore is much better having spent a year practicing than he would have been as a one and done last year. Ben would also benefit and be a much better player if he played another year or even two. Bottom line: We will be just fine and compete for a number one seed next year. I'm sure Self is disapointed but he will have us loaded and ready to go next year anyway.

Kent Noble 9 years, 4 months ago

He must have taken a ride in Calipari's cash cab. Calipari will have his hands full next year with all his starters coming back. There will be alot of pissed off kids because those promisses are going to cause alot of confussion on who is going to start and not. Calipari got the twins to sign why not Julius Randle. Why all the top players in the nation go to Kentucky is beyond me. Don't be suprised if Andrew Wiggins also signs with Kentucky. I do believe Coach Calipari definitely has a big scam going on. If the nations best go there year after year. These kids know all there talent together on the floor only betters them to get there one and done national championship. If this continues the NCAA committee will have to go back to kids right out of high school can go pro or make the college athletes stay in school for 3 years. Something definitely needs to be done about all the nations best going to UK. I'm with Bobby Knight. How can a coach get two programs in trouble and don't even get a slap on the wrist. Gee you think Calipari has an ace in the hole when it comes to the NCAA committee. Sounds fishy to me. I'm sure all these Collegiate Coaches are really getting upset with these High School McDonalds signing with UK. I think all these big college programs should quit recruiting these McDonalds All Americans. These coaches work there rear ends off trying to get these kids to come to there program. Calipri shows up and it's over. Screw Kentucky!!!!!!!!

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I remember way back when Wlitjer first committed to UK I about LMAO. KNEW he wasn't going to be given serious playing time!!! And while they relied on him some this year - they almost had to more when Noel went down....Now suddenly as a Jr. his time's going to actually be REDUCED!!!! Dude, just maed a mistake from the get-go.

Rock_Out_With_My_Hawk_Out 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe with Julius, Kentucky will win an NIT game next year. I'm not too concerned with his decision. Our boy Self has a way of developing players over the course of a few years. We have a very solid recruiting class inbound. It's going to be a fun year for us next year, Jayhawk nation.

Pitthawk34 9 years, 4 months ago

We will b fine but that was one ugly KU hat that Randle had there. When I saw that hat I knew we were doomed.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

For all we know, it might've been down to UT & UK and our thrashing of UT might've just encouraged him all the more to NOT consider UT and that UK was the place for him!!! :) LOL

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

UT wasn't in the mix either, the UK hat was the only nice one of the 4. The other 3 all looked like $5 clearance hats at Lid's.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Not going to lose sleep over Top 10 ranked recruits any more.

Turning attention to the Class of '14 recruits then - AGAIN, I'll say FORGET J. Okafor & Tyus Jones....most all think a pkg. deal. Rumor has been for quite a while that they'll both go to the other recent OAD factory (yes, running a distant 2nd) - Duke. And tehre are others that are currently uncommitted that I've heard numerous others say, "Forget it. They're going to UK." = E. Mudiay (PERFECT Self-type of G of course! :() & T. Lyles. Don't even bother...they may not be committed, but you might as well pencil them down for UK.

My attention is turned to us getting Josh Perkins now. Only ranked something like 42nd but would be a perfect 3-4 year PG to most likely inherit for Tharpe - might need a year under Adams / Frankamp / F. Mason. We'll see.

We're in big on 6'-9, 240 LBer Cliff Alexander (Something like 4th) from out of Chicago, but Mich. St. seems to be the leader (they're overdue to land a big recruit having whiffed much of this past offseason). Have no hope in getting him.

Think there's another ranked 8th out in Cali. that maybe we have a chance in - Malik Pope.

I also know that we've been in on the top one for '15 for a LONG time and many have said that we've been the front-runner - us or a team out west for Rabb (UCLA, 'zona, etc.)

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

We are not Missouri or KState, we should not celebrate another school losing unless it's to KU.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

I call shenanigans! You're telling me you didn't celebrate Duke or Misery's losses to Lehigh and Norfolk St last year, no joy in that at all? I don't care if you did or not, but I sure as heck did; I danced like a happy fool.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't care one way or the other about Duke, Coach K is one of the all time greatest coaches and I have all the respect in the world for him and what he's accomplished. When Missouri lost, I was happy but I wasn't running around celebrating it like I do when KU gets a huge win. I'm much more emotionally invested in the outcomes of KU games than I am of any other team including Missouri.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

Duke losing adds legitimacy to my celebration of KU wins over teams like Detroit last year. People say "oh big deal you beat a 15 seed" well it is a big deal, 'cause losing that game would have been awful so winning it deserves celebration. Plus no coach has ever tore into officials as much as K and gotten away with it. I detest him, Duke and all the bandwagon fans that attach themselves to that program. Both Duke and Misery's losses gave me much pleasure as did seeing UK losing in the first round of the NIT to Robert Morris. If for no other reason the Misery loss showed their fans that they weren't as good as KU last year, the UK loss helps us catch up in all-time wins, and the Duke loss helped us gain ground on all-time tourney wins.

Phoghorn 9 years, 4 months ago

Some other things that are about to happen:

  1. Mizzou will win the National Championship this year and rub it in our faces for decades.

  2. KU will not be able to challenge MU because Western Kentucky will upset us - and hang 150 on us - before halftime.

  3. Phog Allen Field House will be destroyed by a tornado.

  4. Coach Self will join Coach Calipari's staff at Kentucky.

  5. Athletic Director Zenger will replace Coach Self with Coach Drew from Baylor.

  6. ESPN will proclaim the Octagon of Doom as "The greatest basketball arena, other than Cameron Indoor Stadium.

  7. KU Men's Basketball will never win another game.

  8. Samantha Ryan will join Ashley Judd behind the UK bench.

  9. The University of Kansas will be forced to change its name to Kansas University.

  10. The sun will never rise on Lawrence again.

See, losing a one and done to UK really does not hurt that bad after all, now does it?

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

Please don't joke about #3 because that one is beyond anyone's control and it's getting close to tornado up there.

Phoghorn 9 years, 4 months ago

Okay, I take # 3 back...

How about this...

New # 3. KU has announced that Achy Breaky Heart will be their new fight song.

KULA 9 years, 4 months ago

Tornadoes don't damage buildings the size of Allen. I could see a tornado ripping the roof of K State's oversized mobile home or Mizzou's pig barn, but not Allen.

monkeehawkSL8 9 years, 4 months ago

There are some people from a hospital in Joplin Mo. that might disagree with you, tornado's don't discriminate.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

A tornado may not lift AFH off it's foundation, but the roof could still easily be blown off along with other debris doing substantial damage to the building.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, I think we're done for recruiting for next season - they need to work hard for the season after next though. Josh Perkins would be my dream future PG for our team - seems like a great & bright kid.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

Recruiting is not done for KU yet. Andrew Wiggins still hasn't announced and I know KU is a long shot, but Self and staff are not going to stop recruiting him until the day he announces. After that, Self will look at who's left out there, including potential transfers, and if any of them fill a need for KU, he will recruit them. Don't be surprised to see KU make a late push for Junior Etou out of Virginia. Etou is a very strong Miami lean right now, but if Self thinks Etou can help KU out in the future, he will make a push for him.

I don't disagree that stashing the scholarship Self was going to use on Randle and giving to Christian Garrett for a year and having 2 scholarships for 2014 would be a bad thing, but if Self finds a player that he thinks can help KU out down the road in this class, he will use it on that player as he should.

Kip_McSmithers 9 years, 4 months ago

When I logged on the site this morning the very first headline story for today was about our former coach and it had a nice picture of him from last weekends game while coaching UNC. Now when I log on I get to see a photo of a player that is never going to wear a KU uniform. One would think with both of these images being the lead stories today that KU was done for the year or there wasn't a game on Friday that should be garnering the headlines. I know the randle decision is big news, but lets not disrespect our Jayhawks by leading with non-Kansas basketball news stories.

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

I agree with you completely about putting Randle's photo in the main, large photo box. It is a breaking story so a different treatment option in the layout would be good. KUSports is slowly working on these kind of publication issues and some kind of second tier, editorial choice articles row to go before that long main body article list would be nice in these kind of situations. Especially during weeks where there is March Madness, Spring Ball along with stories of interest like Randle and, even more important to "KUSports", Women's Outdoor Track being picked as preseason #1.

As for Roy, he will always be to me, and I think to the program's history, a Kansas Basketball related story. I had no problem with his image as the lead today and Randle simply did not deserve to replace one of our programs great coaches.

RJ King 9 years, 4 months ago

The only problem is that everyone on this site has been speculating about the Randle decision for months. Many probably had the date in their calendars. The 300+ early responses to the article actually crashed the site.several times.

Unfortunately the Randle news IS bigger than the Roy story. At least for today.

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

Point taken. I'm pretty happy with our guys on board already, looking forward to seeing Lucas and Emiid mesh with Traylor and Ellis. I think they'll be solid next year for reloading once again under Self. I guess it's my bias that Randle, who would have been a great addition yet is going somewhere else, would be good a secondary call-out on the front page. Your right, the comment board certainly fetched a lot of attention, as I said point taken, though I think it would have been a fine first item in the second column instead of a big old photo as lamented by the original comment in this thread.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 4 months ago

OK. I'm totally over it. So I'm not working and watching live NCAA coverage. Does anyone think that Pitt Forward Donte Taylor is taking his Forest Whitaker impersonation a little too seriously?

Steve Jacob 9 years, 4 months ago

Why is it assumed 100% that Ellis is coming back? He a good tournament away from a middle 1st round pick. It looks be be one of the worst draft classes in years, and maybe he wants a million buck a now.

As far as Kentucky, I wonder if other players can un-commit or if they signed the piece of paper? I assume KU and UK together could fill a team with players transferring. If you didn't play this year, your not playing next year.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Um, Just go to Chad Ford's projections. I don't even see Perry Ellis on there. Perry as a valedictorian last year. I have a feeling that he's EITHER a 3-year guy or a 4-year guy.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Even if he's a 3-year guy I could see him find a way to earn a pretty valuable degree. The guy's a bright guy. Don't know what he's going into but I bet it's not "Communications" or some filler type degree...maybe pre-Law or something? His name almost sounds like a law firm!!! :)

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 4 months ago

Perry Ellis Major is Business per KU Athletics web site. He is not only a bright young man but his family seems to be the type that would encourage him to get a degree.

monkeehawkSL8 9 years, 4 months ago

Because Perry is a student athlete. He took time to adjust to the speed of the college game. Perry is going to have a "career" at Kansas. Because he is now catching on at the college level doesn't mean he is suddenly going to decide that he is ready for prime time. Perry is the type of young man that wants to succeed at what he does, just not take the $ and be mediocre. I think.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

Signing the LOI doesn't commit the player to the school. Tyshawn, the Twins, Xavier, and Selby all signed LOI's with other schools before making their way to Lawrence.

Ellis is not leaving after this year period. He is a three year player like the other bigs ranked in the same neighborhood as Ellis.

Kent Noble 9 years, 4 months ago

He's not ready for the NBA. He is just starting to undestand what it takes to play D-1 basketball. He still has a lot more to prove before he even thinks about the NBA. He had a good game against Iowa St. But his play has to be more consistent such as the Iowa St game.

Steve Ramsey 9 years, 4 months ago

Can someone tell me the all time win totals for KU and UK? I've been trying to keep a tally of that for years, and have us behind by 11 (2110 to 2099) as of today. Can anyone confirm, or set me straight?

Sam Constance 9 years, 4 months ago

We're behind by 12: Kentucky has 2,111 and Kansas has 2,099

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think this is the first recruit where I really DO truly hope he falls flat on his face. Sorry....I just DO feel that way!!!

Rock Chalk 9 years, 4 months ago

I had to laugh at your post. I know, chin up and all that. I felt the same way. That flashy gold watch, his bored look on his face ... be gone with you! We're onto bigger and better things! Please remove the picture, seen enough of it for one day.

You know as bad as we feel, I'm thinking of HCBS and staff. They put more time and effort into this than we even know, so they must be feeling pretty stunned, too.

HCBS is such a class act. He will make a statement ... one comment, and then onto the great and positive about this year's team and our next game. Which is where we need to direct all of our positive attention and energy to. Our next game!

I'm so looking forward to Friday night. Next year will take care of itself, next year!

HawksWin 9 years, 4 months ago

I know what you mean. I felt that way with Deandre and Tarc - and look what happened! So yes sometimes a wish does come true. A mistake made at 18 can cost a life time - Deandre at UConn and Tarc at AZ, and what they could have been at KU ... let it go khuff80. That said, lets wish Randle the best.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

btw - DeAndre at least wasn't doing too bad this season and Tarc probably would've developed just as slowly this season with us as he is down at U of A.

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

Meanwhile, Andrew Wiggins, the top player in the Class of 2013, remains on the board and is still considering Kentucky, Kansas, Florida State and North Carolina.

He has set no date for his announcement and may just Tweet it out when ready.

Well for all the "hat cursed" fans, our chances for Wiggins just improved based on this statement. He won't do the cursed hat ceremony, but will "tweet" his decision? I think that alone is great news. After today, I'm not holding my breath.

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 4 months ago

1. How does uk have enough scholarships for all these guys, assuming the rumors of all the current players staying are true? Is calipari going to pull kids' scholarships or force them to transfer? If he does that, and I think he did when he came to uk with Derek Jasper, he truly is a scum bag. That's such a dispicable thing to do.

2. These kids go to uk with the idea of playing 1 year, barely going to class, and jumping to the nba. I gaurantee the kids there who say they're coming back fully intended to be one-and-dones when they sign up for uk. I don't really want guys like that at KU.

3. I like our rotation next year. Tharpe-Seldon-Greene-Ellis-Embiid, with Francamp-Adams-White-Traylor-Lucas coming off the bench. We'll struggle early on b/c of inexperience, but we'll be fine in the end. Probably not a NC calibur team, but enough to win another B12 title and round of Sweet 16. The following year could be a NC year. All of those guys coming back and add a couple of impact freshman. Word is the Self loves this Embiid kid's game and potential. He's the sleeper in this class.

Ryan Sullivan 9 years, 4 months ago

Geez, I didn't think my comment was so special to warrent putting it in size 40 font...

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

Did you use the "#" to start of your paragraphs?

RJ King 9 years, 4 months ago

Don't end your senttences with a preposition and don't start your posts with a number or symbol.

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

Actually, I've used a "#" in my posts to start off paragraphs and I got the same large point size. Try it out some time. I just did.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

He is but I don't think he starts from Day One. Lucas will probably start to start the year.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 4 months ago

Lesson for the day..if you start your post with a number or a symbol you automatically jump into gigantis enormous font mode!!

Just imagine of Jaybate accidently did this as part of a six part post!!!!....mind-boggling!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

  1. That's a theory worth testing.
  2. What are the odds Jaybate would do that intentionally?
  3. And if this is the case LJW may want to look into the programming code that allows this.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

So much for the BIG FONT theory. Or maybe it jsut doesn't work on replies.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

So much for the BIG FONT theory. Or maybe it just doesn't work on replies.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

That's what I thought about the scholarships too as I listened to Archie Goodwin during the post game press conference. In fact I thought I heard one of the ESPN guys during the game mention with the recruiting class there would have to be some forced transfers or guys moved off scholarship. Imagine if that happened and that gets back to all the inner city schools, Cal will have cut his own throat.

Micky Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

Is it necessary to use the jumbo type here?

davehawkSWK 9 years, 4 months ago

KU does things the right way. Our kids know where they stand and what they have to do to be a better player and a better student. Kentucky will soon have a problem that will not be a problem with a good resolution. The Ky site stated an hour ago that they are not going to have the prospected players declaring for the draft as according to the site, the players stated they are going to come back because they feel that they are not ready for the draft and will not have a good draft number! With the numbers that C has recruited, based upon his assumption, they will not have the open scholarships for all of these kids. Some will probably be asked to leave as I feel that some of the players will not accept a non-scholarship redshirt next year. This is just my opinion, BUT!

As far as the total wins for Ky and KU. If the NCAA had taken away the wins from Ky's 1951 point shaving season, the seasons with the improper recruiting and payment of players with Rupp, Joe B. Hall, and Eddie Sutton, Ky was barred from the 1990 and 1991 NCAA tournament, the total would not be as close as it is. They should have had those games removed.

We can only assume that Coach C. will find a way to grease the skids, possibly with the use of KY Jelly!?

Jim Stauffer 9 years, 4 months ago

I see a lot of sour grapes on here. Hey we are not supposed to be grapes at all. We will be fine next year and every year. We are Kansas! As someone has already said, we are not built on one and dones. We are built on hard work.

Betcha we are not in the NIT anytime soon.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

What do you think the odds are of Self making a late run at Junior Etou are kD? I know he's very strong on Miami right now, but given Self's history of not stashing scholarships, I gotta believe Self is going to make a run at Etou this season before really turning his attention to the 2014 class.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

What's this Etou guys story?

Would he have to sit out next season? If so, I say just wait for the '14 Class.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

Etou is a high schooler from Virginia who is ranked the in the 140's on Rivals and is listed at 6'8" 225 lbs right now. I believe he dropped a bit as the season went on and KU hasn't been on him too hard for quite a while and he's a very strong Miami lean right now, but is also a player who could reconsider if KU gets in on him pretty quickly. He's also the kind of player that Self will add late to fill out a roster because Self doesn't have a history of stashing scholarships if he can land a player with an available scholarship.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I doubt we do that this time. Better chances at better players in next years class. I think we might have a realistic chance at the highest-rated PF in next year's class - Cliff Alexander out of Chicago (though my brain's telling me that he goes the Michigan State....they're overdue to land a big recruit even more than we would be).

Christopher Hauser 9 years, 4 months ago

Totally hypothetical scenerio, but if Zach Peters were ever to get healthy and decide that he would like to play at KU again, what would be the legistics of this scenerio as far as having to sit out, scholie, so on and so forth. I don't think this will happen just curious.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

I think that it would be mroe likely that we'd get Braeden Anderson as a transfer from Freson State than for Z. Peters to come back. Anderson got Self's ringing endorsement. We SIGNED the kid. NCAA declared him ineligible & the Big XII was the ones who blocked him having a lost season like was enabled for Traylor & McLemore.

Dale Kroening 9 years, 4 months ago

Would have been nice to get Randle, but best of luck to the kid. We will be fine next year, even though very young, and I think Lucas will be a big surprise. The thing I just dont get is how is Cal getting all these top recruits, hes recruiting like no coach ever has. He's not that good of a coach, Id much rather have Self. Mind boggling.........

theGospel 9 years, 4 months ago

It appears the shoe companies, and the relationships they have with powerful sports media entities, has a huge influence on which programs kids are picking these days. KU's ability to recruit great talent is second to none. Bill Self gets the best from his best and the most from his least, and that, IMO, is what makes him such a great coach. But please, media outlets, don't insult my intelligence, and try to make me, and our faithful fan base, believe that KU has a shot at getting players that announce decisions on the most powerful sports network in history.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

It seems like we're having more success in the prep-post high school route. That's where we got T. Rob, Traylor, Tharpe, & Mason from, right?

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

For those who announce via', I can only remember them ever picking UK or UCLA!!!

FearlessJayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

What a dumb-ass player. That guy doesn't have the brains to come in out of a rain storm. Who would ever go to Kensucky is more than I'll ever no.

blindrabbit 9 years, 4 months ago

For all of the "wins counters" as it stands today, Kentucky is maxed out this year with their loss to Robert Morris last night at 2111 all-time, KU is second with 2099, UNC with 2089, Duke 1998 and Syracuse (5th) with 1870. Can't catch the Cats this year, but should have a good shot in the near future!

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 4 months ago

Like in a game, if we get within single digits we can catch them. We will catch them anyway, and when the NCAA finally grows a pair and figures out what the squid is doing, all KU wins under him will be vacated.

njlinderer 9 years, 4 months ago

The kid has now proven what is most important to him: money and not putting in hard labor. No doubt he has already received cash money from Calipari and has been promised God knows what else. I am as biased a KU fan as they come but his decision proves what his priorities are.

Sam Constance 9 years, 4 months ago

I was talking about this with some of my coworkers today. My thoughts are that it isn't actually cash at all. I think Calipari knows that if one shred of evidence connecting him directly to players receiving cash to play at Kentucky, a la Blue Chips, that he's finished. For good.

Therefore, he's figured out that he can offer something that has just as much value in the minds of these kids and their parents, if not more value. Instead of cash or a car or a house, etc... he offers them the chance to get connected to perhaps the most powerful person in all of the NBA--William Wesley (aka Worldwide Wes). Wesley can promise them facetime with NBA executives, and he has enough sway with those NBA executives that it probably doesn't take much to convince a few to take some of these highly-touted prospects in the first round even if they have pretty ho-hum college careers (ahem, Daniel Orton). Combine his influence within NBA circles with the fact that most of these kids are already somewhat coveted by talent identifiers at that level, and he's not even having to do a lot of work. He's a facilitator.

And the thing that ties it all together is that Calipari, for better or worse, is an excellent salesman. I can see it now...

"Now, I can offer you some kind of compensation--because let's be honest, your son certainly deserves to be paid right now and it's unfair he has to wait--but I think you'll agree that setting him up for life is much more appealing. Meet my friend Mr. Wesley. He's as connected in NBA circles as you can be, and he sees the same things I do in your son. Mr. Wesley knows a bonafide NBAer when he sees one, and he has the influence to get GMs and talent scouts to see it too. When Mr. Wesley talks, NBA power-brokers listen."

And I imagine he even has something specifically geared to combat these recruits from going to Kansas, one of his tougher opponents in recruiting...

"Well, you can go to Kansas, which is a fantastic school with a great tradition, like Kentucky. But keep in mind that Kansas has no one connected to NBA circles--not like Mr. Wesley here. Plus, just look at what they've been doing over the past decade. Players with your level of talent struggle to fit in during the limited time window they have to develop. Yeah, Coach Self may get his teams to play hard and together and earn a lot of team awards, but make no mistake--they care more about what Kansas can do for Kansas Basketball than they care about what they can do for Julius Randle. At Kansas, you are a cog in a machine--a well-oiled machine to be sure, but still just a cog. Why sacrifice your own talent and star power when you can win and be part of a machine that allows you to thrive as an individual as well?"

(to be cont.)

Sam Constance 9 years, 4 months ago


Cal will say what he needs to say to meet his own ends, but he's smart enough to know that he can't talk himself into a corner. That is what makes him so dangerous. He promises things that he can fulfill--I can get you drafted--and avoids promises he can't--I'll make you an NBA star. With that kind of connection, he'll really be impossible to stop until the NCAA changes the focus from gifts and things to people and influence (beyond just agents).

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 4 months ago

Nice try but no cigar. NBA teams will not draft a player unless it thing he can play or has the potential to develop. Why do you think they started the one year rule? You do know that this is a NBA and not a NCCA rule, don't you? Because they were getting burned by high school player that were wholly unprepared, they decided that they needed to observe players in a better laboratory, i.e. NCAA Basketball; Kevin Pritchard, former GM at Portland and current GM for the Pacers said this much in an interview at the time.
The only allegiance the NBA has is to profit and not to any particular school, not even Kentucky.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Again....the one I'm turning my attention to now is Class of '14's Josh Perkins, 42nd Ranked overall - PG from out of Aurora Hills, CO. The 4 listed w/ high interest are Colorado, Gonzaga, New Mexico & us. Others listed w/ "Medium Interest" included Stanford & ...? forgot who else. EVERYTHING I read about the kid have seen just makes me LOVE envisioning him as a future Jayhawk. Sounds like he "buys in" on defense. 6'-2 at the college level is decent enough at the point. Again, this woudl be the season after next so Tharpe would probably be starting as a Sr. and he could look to maybe possibly take over the following season as a Soph.

Would like & hope that we could get a higher-rated SF/PF type as well. Have my eyes on No. 8 ranked by Rivals, Malik Pope out of Cali. Have heard us pretty prominently connected w/ Justise Winslow (think out of TX).

idahawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Ah Come on.....after the season Kentucky just ash-canned, their fan base needs some good news!

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

REALLY thinking back. I guess some of my favorite commits are the TWO I can think of where they gushed with much enthusiasm for how much they loved the Jayhawks and there really was no doubt.

The two that come to mind to me in that way were Frankamp & Ryan Robertson (who's not even from Kansas but St. Louis - had been in Roy's camps). From all indications sounded like Elijah was that way too.

Maybe was that way w/ Simien?

A 'little bit" of uncertainty around P. Ellis but not too much.

jayhawkab 9 years, 4 months ago

Good luck Mr. Randle in your baskeball career I know their must be alot of pressure when it comes to choosing and I am sure it was tough choosing the right school to play baskeball at. I think every KU fan would haved loved to seen you play in Allen Fieldhouse but the one thing about Kansas basketball they will still be strong and successful due to a guy named Bill Self .

Page Butler 9 years, 4 months ago

Kentucky had one of the worst nights ever last night and today because they got one recruit we are acting like they are going to be unstoppable next year. KU is a #1 Seed in the tournament this year! We have much more to celebrate and frankly if Bill Self can be successful with this group of guys then losing one additional hat ceremony isn't that big of a deal. No one predicted Jeff Withey being the force he has become this year or Releford shooting such a high percentage or Kevin Young getting meaningful minutes let alone starting. And yet look where we are. And we as fans get the pleasure of getting to know our players more than one year which is also a big plus in my opinion. I would recommend that we enjoy the ride the next 6 games and let Kentucky have their one reason to celebrate today. Sucks to be them.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Ummm, yes people DID predict big things for Withey this year - - - pretty much since he had that big game against Baylor last season after the 0 pt. night at Mizzou.

Glen Miller 9 years, 4 months ago

Want to know why I'm not worried????

  1. We have Bill Self as our coach
  2. We have Hudy
  3. We have Allen Fieldhouse
  4. We've won 9 straight Big 12 championships
  5. We have a really good group of players already here
  6. We have the #3 rated recruiting class ..... I could go on

Look, coach Self doesn't sugar coat things for these kids when they come in. He tells them they are going to work their butt off and EARN their playing time, he's not going to just give it to them. That isn't what these high school divas want to hear so they go somewhere else. I know we'll be fine and I know that in the end we are a school where players come to be a part of something much bigger than just basketball. We are a family at KU. Our players bleed, sweat laugh and cry together no matter what happens on the court. And as fans we want the players to know that we are glad they chose us and want to be here. So let's not worry about who we didn't get or who we might get and appreciate what we have and ride this wave of emotions to the Championship game!! Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU!!!!

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

Wouldn't it be interesting if the university would take a stand for the school in recruiting? Simply do the following things:

1) Visit each recruit once and invite him for one visit. Explain that no recruit takes precedence over the coach's families or current team members, so frequent visits aren't fair to those already in the "family or whatever you want to call it. Self already has a real family who see less of him than they should is my guess. Also, that tells his current players where they stand with him.

2) Set a "must sign by date"--Valentine's Day, say, and explain that those recruits who have been extended scholarships will have to have signed by that date. Then stick to it, even if it means losing a top player. The message gets out, KU only loses player that way, and in the case of Randle, that's just one year. There are far worse things that can happen to a team than losing one player for one year.

There are many advantages to this idea. First, the university regains its leverage, which it sorely has lost when it comes to these hat decisions. Secondly, it lets the non-prima kids see that we value them. Self has trouble with these top 10 kids, and although we rightly think he's as good as there is in college basketball, the top kids aren't buying. And, since we're not getting them anyway, stop recruiting them and set our sights on the 20-50 players like the ones that are coming in that will graduate Jayhawks.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

That method of recruiting would backfire pretty badly on KU in the long run.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

Why do you say that? I disagree. If recruits can play hard to get, so can the schools, and it would be great to choose to have that leverage. Also, the kids who want to play here will play here regardless.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm assuming your rules would also include no phone calls to recruits because that would also take away from family time. What your rules do would mean that recruits can count on one hand the number of interactions they will have with KU during the 3 year recruiting process and you don't see the issue there? If I'm a recruit interested in KU and I only hear from KU once or twice a year, I'm going to assume that means KU has no interest in me and look to go elsewhere regardless of where I'm from or what quality of player I am. Your sign by date also happens to fall in the middle of HS basketball season when a kid will not be able to take a visit to see how KU operates as a program. There's a reason why most HS kids take their official visits in October or late February/early March. It's because that's when HS kids are in their offseason and have the time to make the trips to the school they are interested in.

The current system of recruiting is working just fine for Bill Self as he has KU in contention for conference and national championships just about every season. I believe there have only been 3 years where KU was not considered a threat in the preseason to contend for a national title and one of those years Bill Self still got to the national title game. The other two years were the 05-06 and 08-09 teams that were very young and inexperienced. It's incredible to think that KU has been considered a serious national title threat in 7 out of 10 years that Bill Self has been here so why should he change what he's doing because what he's doing is obviously working to a level that any school would be envious of.

Cody Riedy 9 years, 4 months ago

Based on ESPNs rankings, Kentucky now has 6 5-star recruits. The #1 in 4 positions. Since Calipari has been at Kentucky, they've now had 15 5-star recruits in their last 4 classes. We've had 2 in that time period.- Selby and now Selden.

Jay Hawkinson 9 years, 4 months ago

I think I can live with such lowly, non-5-stars as Ben McLemore (15th SF, 49th overall).

Cody Riedy 9 years, 4 months ago

To be clear, I wasn't complaining, just pointing out how insane Kentucky's recruiting spree has been. I compiled some quick info to compare other schools in the same time period, i.e. 2010, 11, 12, and 13 classes.

Kentucky 5-Star: 15; 4-Star: 4

UNC 5-Star: 4; 4-Star: 8

Arizona: 5-Star: 6; 4-Star: 6

Duke 5-Star: 4; 4-Star: 9

Syracuse 5-Star: 3; 4-Star: 9

Texas 5-Star: 3; 4-Star: 8

Baylor 5-Star: 3; 4-Star: 6

KU 5-Star:2; 4-Star: 8

Doug Roberts 9 years, 4 months ago

This is good news IMO. I'll take a 3 star with upside over a top 5 one and done any day. One and dones don't mix well with Bill Self's style.

monkeehawkSL8 9 years, 4 months ago

A team that didn't make the NCAA tournament this year and lost in the first round of the N.I.T. is dominating not only this Jayhawk comment board, but they are TOP news on ESPN. Folks they are not news to me. What I'm interested in is the Jayhawk's next game and the kids/young men and woman that WANT to play at Kansas.

"Take care of the ball and we can win it all".

GortHawker 9 years, 4 months ago

Gort's charging up his fazer, wants to know if anybody cares if he vaporizes Kentucky!

Thomas Matlock 9 years, 4 months ago

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ParisHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Many French people are disgusted by the Tour de France after so many drug scandals, even though they dearly want to cherish and enjoy it.

Without any real proof, I feel the same way now about the NCAA Tournament - after this year.

Real college basketball = the regular season and the Big 12 Tournament.

The NCAA Tournament is just a single elimination contest to see who can wind up in an exhibition game with a pro team.

To all who live only for the NCAAs: line up good dentists for repairing your gnashed teeth.

If this keeps up, I'll understand Coach Self bolting to the pros when the right offer comes along.

P.S. I do think there is a "LeBron effect" too: it's OK to join the other superstars instead of trying to beat them; after all the best player in the world did just that.

texashawk10 9 years, 4 months ago

One great player has rarely been able to carry a team to a championship. If you look back on NCAA champs, I guarantee you over 90% of them had multiple future NBA players on their roster and if you look at NBA champs, over 90% of them had multiple all-stars on their team.

The "LeBron effect" has nothing to do with great players wanting to team up because that's how it's always been what it takes to win championships in college and the NBA. The "LeBron effect" is more about the diva-fication of hoops stars and players thinking they are better than they really are. The number of HS kids that went straight to the NBA from Garnett until the year LeBron went (8 years) is almost equal to the number of HS kids who went straight to the NBA in the 3 or 4 years after LeBron entered the draft. Undeserved media hype of high school basketball players is the true LeBron effect on American basketball.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Ummm, not "Sour grapes" on behalf of KU...."sour grapes" on behalf of ALL OF NCAA DIV. I!!!!! These kids aren't all JUST selecting UK over JUST KU. Harrisons over Maryland. James Young over Michigan State. Marcus Lee over joining his good friend & also VERY HIGHLY rated recruit Jabari Byrd at California. Dakari Johnson over his native state of Florida where htey could've had the best froncourt in who knows how long teaming up w/ C. Walker. And lastly now Julius Randle over KU, UT, UF, etc. The only good news is that EVENTUALLY the numbers run out. They're not going to get BOTH Wiggins & A. Gordon and most likley neither. My prediction is Wiggins to UNC & A. Gordon to U of A.

Sam Constance 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't know/remember enough about the UMass business to comment knowledgeably, but in terms of the Derrick Rose SAT business, I find it incredibly hard to believe that a high school senior from Chicago managed to falsify his SAT score in Detroit without any help from someone who might've had a vested interest in making sure he was eligible...

I agree that it's possible to win with out the top TOP recruits, but I disagree that it's unfair to take a long hard look at Calipari's conduct. The last time a single school was pulling way more top talent than seemed reasonable, given the simple logistical concerns of only having 200 minutes to dish out per game over 5 positions, we pretty well know that some shady stuff was going on to entice premium players to come and mostly ride the pine. That was at UCLA, when Sam Gilbert was all but managing payroll for the Bruins.

I agree there is some room for error--kids are going to make bad decisions. But I also think there is no reason people shouldn't be asking what a recruit like Randle sees in Kentucky, because it doesn't seem to be any of the traditional benefits that a recruit might look for... maybe he's just really obsessed with Nike and hates Adidas. Who knows.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 4 months ago

Calisleazy doesn't do the dirty work himself.. he's too smart for that. He has all sorts of NBA connections, including World Wide Wes who was sitting behind his bench in the title game last year.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 4 months ago

Calisleazy doesn't do his own dirty work with recruiting.. he's too smart to get caught for that. He has plenty of connections$$$ like World Wide Wes.

Randy Bombardier 9 years, 4 months ago

Well, hope he likes working in the coal mines.

KGphoto 9 years, 4 months ago

Every time some kid chooses Kentucky I just cringe. It wreaks of scandal. Between his history of dirty recruiting and the absurd rate he is currently landing 5star guys, isn’t there at least a little curiosity among the NCAA’s enforcement arm? My hope is that the Miami thing was embarrassing enough that they will do what it takes to re-polish their image. Well they can start with Cal. He’s high profile and he deserves a long look.

Or is it possible that the Kentucky booster base really has enough cheese (and moral latitude) to turn away a proper investigation? This is so obviously BS. Nobody can recruit like this on charm alone. If you could, Bill Self would get ‘em all.

How does a kid choose that school after the complete disaster he just witnessed at the hands of the squid. A meltdown of historic proportions. All the while KU rises to the top, again, while producing a OAD, #1 NBA draft prospect.

Kansas has the starting spot warmed and ready. At UK he’ll be competing with another 5 star, 6’9” PF recruit, and whoever else decides to stay. It makes NO sense whatsoever, outside of the greased palm theory.

Total scandal!

Okay I’m fine. I’m fine....

KWufan 9 years, 4 months ago

It's okay we didn't get Randle. Every year uk gets the best recruiting class. How many NC has it got them? The only reason they won it last year was Anthony Davis was a once in awhile talent on defense and had guard skills to match. I doubt Randle has the defensive impact of Davis. He had 2 choices. Play in front of his family with us playing multiple Texas teams or go play in the dribble drive offense that uk does. Kids love to play offense much more than D. Plus calipari has a good record of one year guys going high in the draft because he plays them without making them earn their mins through strong D. We are good, Perry has close to the same moves with a better outside J.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 4 months ago

The reason UK won last year was because they had something they hadn't had under Calipari before.....returning starters!!!

Kansas was two blown dunks away [one by TRob and one by Jeff] of only being down 2 points with 20 seconds left and Elijah with the ball. In a parallel universe, EJ hits a last second winner and Coach Cal dies a thousand deaths!!

Andy Godwin 9 years, 4 months ago

Completely agree. I was at the game and still lament those easy misses and blown chances. People made it out to be a total UK domination, which it was not. As badly as KU played, they still had the chance to steal the game.

njlinderer 9 years, 4 months ago

The photo of him sitting in Allen says it all. "Don't wanna work dat hard yo." He's just a big pussy.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Outside of Kentucky, who has the highest 2 rated combined recruits for next season......Oh, Florida, who's in the same conference. - Kasey Hill & Chris Walker. Interesting.....all I'm going to say.....interesting.

jay381 9 years, 4 months ago

Thanks for the link. It is a real good article on what appears to be a mature young person. One word of advice to everyone you can only access this newspaper once without pay. I totally agree with your comment. KU had basketball before Randal and will have it after he goes to KY. Frankly the second I heard he was doing the hat thing on ESPN I knew he was not someone going to KS. His loss. Frankly the attitude of the parents and the Wiggins prospect impressed me a lot more. Perhaps we will get lucky and hopefully no hat thing on ESPN.

Scott Smetana 9 years, 4 months ago

Let's not forget to give World Wide Wes a little credit for landing Randle. Calisleazy is smart enough to not get caught, for now.

Lonnie Snow 9 years, 4 months ago

He didn't come to Kansas because he didn't want to play behind perry

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

What?!?!?! He WOULDN'T'VE had to play behind Perry!!!! Wish people would quit with that ALREADY!!!! Self would NOT have STARTED a typical "5" man and instead gone with a lineup similar to the '10 / '11 lineup where both of the Morrises started. Two "4" 's.

Priest Fontaine 9 years, 4 months ago

Maybe someone has mentioned this, but I'd like to hear an update on what is going on with Zach Peters. Last I heard he is at a community college taking classes. Is he playing again? How is his health in general? any potential for him to come back next season? Seemed like a good kid that was going to contribute from the start. Sure hope he is healing up ok regardless of if he comes back to KU or not.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 4 months ago

Too bad he chose Kentucky. The biggest problem is when he finally realizes his error it will be too late to do anything about it.

Joe Ross 9 years, 4 months ago

Here's what's crazy. It may seem like a small thing, but I guarantee you that portraying an image of success means a lot to kids, not just in selling their chances on jumping to the NBA...but on things as "small" as living amenities.

Jayhawker towers--even newly refurbished--does not compare to the Wildcat Coal Lodge.

See for yourself:

There will be some who talk about how this means little to them as fans, and that we esteem tradition above all else. Okay, that's fair...from a FANS perspective. Recruits who have never lived in Kansas, however, are being sold on a product. I don't know where I cross the line, but I'm sure I have. Nevertheless, I think to keep pace with recruits, a good place to start for Kansas is in housing. Sounds dumb. But it isn't...

In ALL things, display the power of your tradition...

Ryan Michael 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't know how the NCAA hasn't found that place to be a violation... By the rule (as far as I know) they can't have housing like that just for Basketball players...

So Kentucky builds the thing explicitly for BBall players, and then maybe allows what a couple of big "backers" kids to live there to claim it's other students too? There are literally TV's on every floor with the basketball itinerary on them. Everything is for the BBall players.

How Calipari and crew get away with this I'll never know... Why the NCAA allows it I'll never know. But sadly enough if they are going to allow crap like this, well... I guess everybody else has to drop to that level. I've got no doubt in my mind that this attracts kids big time. Why would you want to live in a craphole dorm, when you can live in a penthouse private hotel instead?

KGphoto 9 years, 4 months ago

I’m with you here. The Towers are embarrassing.

Joe Ross 9 years, 4 months ago doubt. They have a professional chef in their kitchen, heated bathroom floors, theatre rooms, spacious lounges, large flat-screen HD televisions, leather sofas, and on and on. In recruiting you need advantages. These inner city kids' eyes bug wide open when they look at UK's dorms. But Calipari uses every advantage and spares no expense legally (and probably even be determined) in going after recruits. Kansas can SURELY upgrade. And should.

Get to it Sheahon!

Casey Gee 9 years, 4 months ago

Ya, this has to be very close to being a violation if it isn't a blatant violation. Schools aren't supposed to be able to offer any service not available to the whole student body. This is exactly why it is so hard to respect anything Calipari does. Everything he does just seems so slimy.

Dale Kroening 9 years, 4 months ago

Watching that walk thru says one thing, UPGRADE............. No wonder these top recruits choose UK. How can a 17-18 yr old kid say no to that. Compare that to the towers and its a no brainer. We will still be fine next season, but in order to compete for the top recruits, an upgrade in housing is a must.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

jross1972, You are correct. Proof is right there when Self renewed his contract a few years ago and part of the deal was a promise by the administration to improve the housing. But to keep pace it has to be more than a facelift of a campus landmark.

Colby Hebert 9 years, 4 months ago

Why is everyone so upset we did not land a 4 when we have Perry Ellis? Ellis kind of has a unique game for a forward that I want to see more of. He is starting to really make it work in the college game. He is intriguing. He seems like a good kid too.

Everyone was saying play 2 4's, I want a 5 like we have had during most of the 9 straight conference titles, a national title, and a runner-up finish. Guys like Aldrich and Kaun and Withey. 7 footers/centers. That is where we have a hole as far as anyone proven. That is where we will be missing in experience. Tharpe will be ready to run the team next year, and we will be deep in guards/tall guards/wings.

Anyway, the main thing is we have a real chance at a title this year. Do not get too down over losing this Randle kid.

Mel Clare 9 years, 4 months ago

He was never coming to Lawrence anyway.......look at the photo of him and his parents! Anyone else see any enthusiasm? Smiles? Anything????? If you watched the game they were at NONE of them even acted like they wanted to be there the whole time the game was on.................NO excitement whatsover.........................

Take our returning players, our class next season and kick some KY ass!!!!!!!!!!!!

OSUjayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago


Landing Randle would have given us solid consistency in the post immediately and change our strategy next year significantly, however I think it's safe to say Self didn't plan next year around landing a flashy, young, unproven (on collegiate level) 1-&-done prospect.

By not acquiring Randle, we free up minutes for the big men we DO have.

PF = Ellis, Wesley PF/C = Lucas, Embiid, Traylor

Not having Randle means not having post offense (w/ currently developing Ellis as our only "anchor" if you want to make that stretch). However, no Randle means much more in-game experience for Embiid leading up to tourney time. We have the tools to out rebound and lock down the paint defensively - which is Self's forte. Oh yeah, Wiggins would be a major plus as we need offense...but I'm all but certain he'll be wearing FSU colors (both parents were FSU athletes).

I bet this time next year we see these rotations: PG - Tharpe, Adams/Mason SG - Adams, White/Frankcamp (Wiggins, white/adams - Frankcamp redshirts) 3 - Greene, Selden (undersized, but built like a defensive BEAST)/Ellis PF - Ellis, Traylor/Wesley C - Lucas, Embiid/Wesley

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Selden WILL start. Most all speculate at the "2"....OR at the "3" w/ Greene at the "2".

I think Self sees a weakness in R. Adams's ballhandling, but he has a bit of a strength in defense and in that TTech Big XII Tournament game flashed some offense. Look for him to transition from backup "1" to a backup "2".

Joe Ross 9 years, 4 months ago

Sniper...if Randle's expression is a bellwether of commitment potential, then judging by that measurement we aren't getting Wiggins either who by all accounts was much more stoic than Randle.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, but Wiggins has flashed no emotion or stoicism w/ regards to any of the 4 he's considering.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

How much KU needed Randle will depend on how Lucas and Embiid look next year and how much improvement Traylor can make. It may not be that big of a loss. Wiggins sounds like he'd be an instant boost. We don't know for sure who is starting at the 3 which means a dominant player at that position would make the team better, but it's unlikely he chooses KU.

Big picture, without Wiggins or Randle KU is less likely to make a FF run next year and possibly even win the Big12. On the bright side knowing both of those would be gone in another year, does not getting Randle make KU that much more of a title threat in 2015? By then Tharpe is a senior PG with RS-Jr Traylor, junior PF Perry Ellis, juniors 'Rio Adams and AW3, RS-So Lucas, sophomores Embiid, Selden, Frankamp, Greene, Mason and whatever freshman Self can add. KU will have experienced players sitting 2 deep at every spot. Then add another year to that group, lose Tharpe and probably one of the sophomores, bring everyone else back, you've got another great team. Maybe in the long term KU will be better off without a one and done next year.

Joe Ross 9 years, 4 months ago

Im not big on Anrio Adams. I think the kid is soft. Hope he proves me wrong with his play. Its one thing to come off the bench in one game and have a good night. But when you are the man and expectations are upon your shoulders, it's harder to carry the load. I'm not sure Rio is made out of that kind of stuff considering his whimpering earlier this season about playing time.

Other than that, I think your post is spot on! Probably a down year next year, but 2015 should be major contenders.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 4 months ago

If Adams stays, that tells me all I need to know. Really, most (I think) expect him to transfer. I hope he doesn't. The guy is a scorer. And as most of us know from following coach Self, it will likely pay off big time for Adams if he chooses to stay.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, my only worry is even the + quote from him recently is - "it will come with time."

Um, time, yes....but also WORK & LEARNING.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 4 months ago

Can we begin the process of our discussions for 2013-14 by agreeing that Justin Wesley won't be playing? I've seen his name mentioned above. Just stop. He's can't beat out Traylor. It will save the need to discuss irrelevant topics. Understand that if Wesley has to play next season, it is a complete disaster. That means Embiid and Lucas aren't worthy .. if their level of play is below Wesley, well, you can figure that out.

The next thing .. who are the absolute luckiest players on the planet? Lucas and Traylor. Self recruited hard to make them irrelevant for next season. Peters appeared ahead of both. But destiny has shined on those two.

With that said, it is pretty apparent where Traylor's skill level sits. He needs a huge leap in his offensive skill set to even be serviceable .. an unrealistic leap for this off season. By his junior year maybe.

On Lucas, I'm presuming that Lucas was not as good as Traylor this season because he redshirted. You don't redshirt guys that will play otherwise. That's a little concerning. It will be very difficult if he isn't appreciably better than Traylor. All we can do is cross our fingers.

Embiid is our potential salvation. It is clear that he is a different sort of athlete with a different skill set. But expecting him to be ready day one is really a stretch.

I mentioned this morning (and have in prior posts) that our best lineup may be a small lineup -- kind of like UNC this season, MU last season, etc. The question is whether Self will do it.

My take on our best lineup for next season right now - 1. Tharpe 2. Adams 3. Selden. 4. White 5. Ellis. Then bring Embiid and either Lucas or Traylor off the bench, as well as Greene and Frankamp. Nine man rotation pared down to 8 by the end of the season. We may have to win a different way.

Randle is history. Forget him. Wiggins isn't coming. Forget him. Next season will be a different animal .. like 2005 and 2009. But in the long run, missing on Randle will be better for 2014-15, which could end up being a #1 type team.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't think it's a stretch to think Traylor could be very good next year, particularly by the end of next year. Look at what TRob did in one off-season, or W, or what Ellis has done through the course of this season. He could be a solid starter next year. Lucas is obviously more of a long shot, but sometimes a year makes a huge difference with a big man. He's probably not going to be the type of player you'd expect to see start on a top10 team, but the type that starts on a top25 team is reasonable. Embiid is a complete unknown to me, but obviously he's got the possibility to be a starter as highly ranked as he is. However the minutes get split up between those 3 and Ellis, they are all going to improve throughout the year. It's not a title type year, but the team could be very good by the end of the season.

The potential is definitely there to go small with AW3 and Ellis, especially when playing against teams without a dominant post presence. It's impossible to figure what the guard rotation will be like other than to expect Tharpe to be the starting PG going forward the way he's played this year. Ball-handling should not be an issue next year with Tharpe/Rio/Selden/Frankamp/Mason on the squad. Definitely more of a depth team, HCBS could choose to run a lot more press with those guys and Greene/AW3/Ellis/Traylor/Lucas/Embiid.

The fun thing about next year is being able to look forward to the year after and everyone returning, knowing that when you see progress made the team is going to be able to build on it for a long time. Last year we knew we were losing a top5 draft pick and a 4yr starting PG as well as 5th year senior. This year we know we're losing our starting 5. Next year those guys shouldn't have much pressure going into the tournament. Even if they don't succeed there next year, if we make another run this year we'll already have a lot of built in tourney experience.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 4 months ago

I think you are way too optimistic on Traylor. TRob's big leap was from his sophomore year to junior season. Traylor practiced for 2 months or so, and has one season under his belt. But more importantly, TRob was the #31 player in the country, Traylor #131. Rankings matter. Both were raw, but TRob was a much greater skill level from day one. Further TRob is a physical freak. Traylor is not. Ellis is bigger than he is. I just do not share you optimism for Traylor for next year. I think he's a guy that will take more time to be a real contributor. This season is an example of a player that is really a body. Embiid is the real wildcard in my mind. He could start, be a shot blocker, defender, lane protector. And I sure hope Lucas is a surprise .. we need it.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

Well Traylor will technically be in his 3rd year, but the difference is I'm not expecting him to be one of the top 2 players in the country, just good enough to be a solid starter on a top25 team by the end of the year. My point being, when you said "serviceable" you went too far. He may not be worthy of much PT next year, I don't know, but there's a pretty good chance he will be. When he took that baseline jumper in the KSU game I told my buddy he'd be coming out next timeout. Sure enough, he came out and never went back in. In general though he's been worthy of PT this year, he should be a competent player next year. Hopefully Embiid or Lucas is good enough he won't have to start, but odds right now are he'll be starting early in the year. You're saying AW3 in the starting lineup ahead of him, but if that were going to be the case why is Self playing Traylor and not AW3 right now? Probably 'cause he values having size/rebounding/shot blocking on the court Traylor brings that AW3 doesn't.

RJ King 9 years, 4 months ago

I love the effort and dedication Traylor seems to bring to his game. I think he is a very nice complimentary player, with fouls to give, and best if we have someone needing rest. (Perry, Embiid, Lucas?).

Many posters refer to Traylor as an up-and-coming T-Robb. I saw Robinson up close in Sacramento. He stood out even among NBA size bodies. Traylor is a couple inches shorter, and doesn't have the shoulders or the bulk. Unless he has one last growth spurt, he cannot be "another T-Robb".

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't think he's another TRob. Who knows when KU gets their next TRob, maybe 20 years from now. He did pick up some of TRob's moves and has a good amount of athleticism.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 4 months ago

Remember, though -- ball handling. We'll need a second ball handler. Only candidates behind Tharpe are Adams, Frankamp, and Mason.

And on your comment below on Traylor, I've seen on real offensive move for a bucket this season. A spin and bucket vs. Texas. I've seen no other offensive moves that make me think he can contribute that way next season. But we may really need it.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 4 months ago

Here is my line up for next year

  1. Tharpe 2. Selden 3. White 4. Ellis 5. Lucas

From everything I have read, Selden is kinda like a Tyreke Evans but with a bigger will to become great. But I can see Selden playing three and Adams at 2 for a different reason then you. Adams will be our best defender next year, so that will probably get him a spot to start. Hopefully he uses that twitter drive on the hardwood next year.

Kye Clark 9 years, 4 months ago

Agreed on Wesley.

On Lucas, it's possible he was even with or potentially even slightly better than Traylor heading into this year. So why red-shirt Lucas? Because I don't think Self could have red-shirted Traylor, at least not for the full year, due to his partial-qualifier status last year. I'm no expert on the red-shirting rules, but I'm pretty sure you can't red-shirt someone twice without one being a medical, and I'm also pretty sure that last year counted as a red-shirt year (or at least half-year) for Traylor, as he lost no years of eligibility. Self could have looked at the situation, saw two kids with not a lot of separation between the two who would be battling it out for the title of 4th big, and decided to remove one from the equation. I mean, Self got all the way to the championship game with Wesley as his 4th big. They typically don't play a meaningful rotation role. And the upside is all the things Self mentions - he was replacing year 18 for Lucas and getting year 23 in return.

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

Why are you guys dogging Wesley and his role?

I brought up Wesley above and I don't see any reason not to bring him up in context of our overall depth next year. When Conner Teahan was trying out for Quarterback were you thinking he was going to be getting regular, significant minutes playing on a National Runner-Up team? He was the first guy off of the bench in many games. Tharpe was the natural guy to come in as a Top 150 recruit to take that role last year, right? It didn't happen that way.

I'll repeat what I covered above: Wesley adds potential value as a fifth year Senior and fourth on the team. He has a ton of athletic skill. Wesley might very well get what Bill wants in November better than Embiid though Embiid will have way more talent so Embiid will be playing many more minutes later in December. I would bet Wesley returns to his current role before we take finals. That's no guarantee. That why we watch, they play and coach decides. Lucas may be able to handle all of the responsibilities as a team player in November, yet when we match up with Duke I like that we have a guy on the team who has been banging with the Morris twins, Robinson, Withey, Ellis, Traylor and Young to step in for a stretch if need be. That's value. That's looking at your whole team and looking at potential, sizing up what you've got going into the season, seeing what your players can offer you today and then see how you can help develop them for tomorrow. (and to extend on Cal throwing his team under the bus, Bill develops his players and it doesn't seem like Cal is much interested in that.)

KJD 9 years, 4 months ago

I wrote an edit and here are a few more points.

I don't think you are dogging him as much as you are disregarding these kinds of roles on KU teams.

Not even Conner Teahan was thinking he was going to step into such a big role. I don't expect Wesley to have to do anything close to that, though he might be the right patch at the right time.

You want to win games in November while youth is developing their understanding of the team game. It didn't turn on for Young until February last year and then Self could really let Wesley return to his walk-on role. I give credit to Wesley being a role player on a team that won a bunch of games last year You don't have to though I do and I bet the coaching staff does too. It is a team game where coaches value a player that decreases offensive breakdowns in sets and increases defensive organization. Ask Elijah Johnson why he played behind Brady Morningstar when EJ was the top 30 recruit and Morningstar was a guy Self saw at the local gym. Again, Wesley is no Morningstar though it isn't all about eye popping individual talent in the team game.

There is no guarantee who will get the team game in relationship to what they offer on the court as a skilled individual. It's worth thinking about since Embiid is real new to basketball.

KU develops their players. Just by the nature of Wesley playing in this program with these players day in and day out, he has developed too so I'm open to seeing what he can offer us next year in a small role. I bet the coaches will be open also. Small roles can pay big dividends when scratching out wins any time of year.

Bottom line: I'm pretty happy with our guys on board already, looking forward to seeing Lucas and Emiid mesh with Traylor and Ellis.

hawkdocNY 9 years, 4 months ago

It IS frustrating when these guys don't pick KU. Not always sure why.

But - I work in a Syracuse hospital and was amused to see an OR nurse on Monday, filling out her final four bracket with "KANSAS" - and not Syracuse! (I had my KU gear on under my scrubs).


jayhawkblues2 9 years, 4 months ago

And the Orange investigations continue on....

HAWKTOPIA 9 years, 4 months ago

I'll take a team of deer lead by a lion, over a team of lion lead by a deer. It is hard to make an 18 year old see that the best coach is worth more than a few extra minutes.

63Jayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Julius Randle seems like a nice young man to me. I wish he had chosen Kansas. However, the fact that he did not does not make him a bad person. As I recall, he said early in his recruiting that he had a lot of contact with "Coach Cal" and that he liked him. I'm confident that the fact that "Coach Cal" succeeded in winning a national championship with a principally freshman team helped with Julius's decision. I thought he handled himself well when he visited KU. The only flaw I noticed was the arrogance to do the "hat" trick on TV. One must think very highly of ones self to do that. Perhaps that ego did not fit so well in Lawrence.

I wish Julius personal success but not his chosen team.

I personally hope that "Coach Cal" experiences problems next year like the ones he had this year...a group of players that apparently refused to play as a team. From rumors about the Harrison twins and their selfish play and recruitment, I suspect it could be a replay. I'd really like to see the NCAA look into the twins recruitment.

jayhawkblues2 9 years, 4 months ago

This has to be one of the most ridiculous group of posts I've ever read. Many of you make it sound as though KU is doomed. UNC has had their struggles, Duke hasn't seen everything come easy and we all know that year after year the parity between all teams gets closer and closer. You could take the top 4 teams from each bracket and flip flop many of the teams to number one's . Self has proved he just keeps on going he will always have teams that compete and he does good things with players that aren't #1's. I'm sure there is no fortune teller on here that would have prophesied that Jeff Withey would be the player he is today. Let's take a chill pill, better yet a Bud or whatever your preference is and enjoy the tourney one game at a time.

billself1fan 9 years, 4 months ago

I've been a Kansas fan my whole life and I'm sick of being everyone's LIL'BROTHER!!!!!! WE ALWAYS LOSE TO KENTUCKY!!!! I hate DUKE to! and we won't win this year either when will it change?? I've giving hundred dollar handshakes to our players over the years and I'm sure every program some how gets $ to the players look at the DUKE player w/ the jewery? IF they are all paying why don't we?

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 4 months ago

Who cares. In a year, UK will probably be in the NIT again (Exaggeration) and this kid will have his bags already packed for the NBA.

Is this not the kid who said he wishes he didn't have to go to college? (Could be wrong there)

He never really seemed like a KU kid to me.

Richard Benson 9 years, 4 months ago

Oh, if you ain't got the do re mi, folks, you ain't got the do re mi, Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, if you ain't got the do re mi.

With the one and doners, not much can overcome that shoebox full of money.

Micky Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

Given Calipari's past, it would not surprise if some of the boosters at Kentucky had improper contact and gave some improper gifts. A team that just lost in the first round of the NIT. Yep, that would be where I would wanna go.

Micky Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

With that said, Bill Self is probably the best active coach in as far as how consistent Kansas is under him and we have a fine class coming in next year as well. If all they want is to up their stock in the NBA draft after one year of college ball, I'll take the consistency over that.

Kent Richardson 9 years, 4 months ago

I feel pretty confident about next year. Perry may be the difference maker this post season and if Selden is as good as advertized we look pretty solid. Jamari shows flahes of offensive skills but only when he is not having to remember what role he is playing on D. Connor and Rio may be able to payback the IA ST type of 3 bombing squads. Joel Baby,can either become Hakeem or Ralph but it may take a year or two. Perry can possibly/likely be a 17 & 10 guy. Wiggins might be nice as Ben's replacement.I hope Was initially disappointed about Randle but have moved on. This is KU think. We can win it all this year and speculate about next year and even have some reliable info on who will stay and how long.

jaybate 9 years, 4 months ago

I thought about going long on this, but KU hasn't signed a 5-star big man in so long I can't remember the last one.

Hypothesis: KU doesn't cut a sweet enough deal.


Ethan Berger 9 years, 4 months ago

hey don't forget Embiid, only a couple spots away from a five star in both ESPN and rivals. Before this past update, he wasn't even ranked. Now he is high 20s/low 30s. He could be that guy!

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't see anyone listing him as a starter next year. Remember: he was invited to the Michael Jordan Brands tournament, and in a head to head game against Wiggins, he matched his scoring total and was named tourney MVP. That tells me that Self might want him on the floor.

Justin Millsap 9 years, 4 months ago

Disappointed that JR won't be coming to KU, but who can blame him? He gets to attend a year-long NBA draft workout and doesn't have to worry about learning an offense or any plays. He won't have to puke his guts out in a trash can during boot camp. He doesn't have to worry about anything but NCAA investigators. And their credibility these days is about as good as the coach he has signed on to play for. FOE just wasn't in the cards this time.

Best of luck, Orange Julius Ceasar Salad Shooter McGavin. Rock Chalk!

Steve Jacob 9 years, 4 months ago

A now the NCAA has dropped in on Syracuse. Fab Melo, the gift that keeps on giving.

crazyhawksfan 9 years, 4 months ago

I personally wonder why the hell yal let this bother you?? Lets just focus on this year and enjoy this team and what they've accomplished and hopefully will accomplish! Rock Chalk

yates33333 9 years, 4 months ago

I wish Peters had stayed. He could have been a first class contribution. I wonder if he will ever play basketball again. He was as smooth as Randle when I saw them play two years ago.

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KUfanInFlorida 9 years, 4 months ago

I hate to say it but Randle was a very important piece to the puzzle for the next season which is why Self was recruiting him until the last minute. I don't think Embiid, Lucas, Traylor are ready to contribute next season...It will be a very thin front court.

The good news is that Kentucky lost to Rob Morris last night and we are playing as a #1 seed in the NCAA tournament.

Dale Kroening 9 years, 4 months ago

What 17-18 yr old kid is going to say no to this : Want to know why UK is getting the top recruits, right there. In order to compete for these recruits KU needs to build the same kind of facilities. NO recruit is going to choose the towers over this type of housing. Time to upgrade and get with the sign of the times. Watching that and comparing it to the towers made me sick.

jaybate 9 years, 4 months ago

What keeps Self from signing 5 star bigs?

Who can say for sure?

But when was the last time a newspaper printed a story it later refused to retract alleging KU boosters offered to pay a big $200k to play, who then played for KU?


AZHawk72 9 years, 4 months ago

Like most of you, I'm totally bummed over the Randle bail from the more logical choice--us. I mean, a casual glance at our excellent recruiting class reads: pg, pg, sg, sf, and c. With a hole that one could drive a Truck Robinson through--pf. However, Randle took the path of least resistance and, besides, a place to more easily buy batteries for the new watch. So, he'll never learn to play defense and he's part of the highest ranked recruiting class in history as the Fab Five is so far behind this group that it is not even worth looking up, but I did. What a bad idea!

But like Kentucky's mail-in performance against a school that sounds like a cigarette company, that was yesterday's news. It's no longer their time--it's our time to shine. Lets take our angst out on opponents and support a team that probably overachieved last year and push them one step further.

Our time is now--theirs was yesterday and last year.

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

To be fair a lot of those comments are some of us conjecturing on actual KU recruits and have nothing to do with Randle.

Kirkwood 9 years, 4 months ago

''They haven't had any discipline all year,'' Calipari said. ''We ended on a note we've been talking about (all year). We can't really play (disciplined).''

“The stuff I had to accept this year, the program got hijacked. At no time in my career have I surrendered in any way to any team, but I did this year, and it didn’t work. I now have to take the position, that if you don’t want to work hard, don’t come to Kentucky.”

News Flash: When you can’t coach discipline, how can you expect your players to play disciplined?

News Flash: When you’re a cheater, the corners you cut, sooner or later will become more and more apparent.

News Flash: Cal making promises he can’t deliver… So what does he do??? He blames it on the kids.

News Flash: So many promises, so many kids, so many unhappy players feeling diss’ed equals violations becoming public… tick, tock, it’s just a matter of time.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 4 months ago

Does anyone remember the movie Blue Chips? I f you think that the same thing does not go on now, then I have a bridge in New York for sale that you might want.
Anyone that believe that money does not change hands is in complete denial. Granted, it is not as overt as in the movie but the price has probably gone up considerably.
I am going to guess that the advent of the one and done has simplified the process considerably. Now, a "friend" of the programs can make an arrangement with the family of a prospect where the bulk of the "inducement" is transferred to the family after the player has left school; in the case of the one and done, the wait is not very long and there is nothing the NCAA can do about it, since at that time, the athlete is no longer affiliated with the school and hence beyond NCAA jurisdiction, and a non-disclosure contract ensures permanent silence. Any attempt by the NCAA to investigate a transaction between individuals no longer associated with the school would be met with a huge law suit.
Is there anyone that believes that the squid gets players because his coaching ability or the school scholastic reputation? I don't. I have to admit that he is smart enough that all the dirty work is done by others and he makes sure he has plausible deniability. He left his previous two college coaching gigs on probation and he skated away scot free. The only hope is that one of the former players will some day develop a conscience and spill the beans. A couple of trip to the NIT in the next couple of years might also do it.
As far as Randle what do you think the tipping point was? Escalade or Lexus? I am going with Escalade.

sarcastichawk 9 years, 4 months ago

It's possible to play with two power forwards. Kind of tired of these comments

Curtis Stutz 9 years, 4 months ago

I agree slayr, KU was a better fit for KU than Randle is a fit for KU. I always wondered since he didn't seem to be very connected to Peters if he'd be a good KU fit 'cause obviously Zach was our kind of guy. I'm sure he'll be fine at UK, but KU gave him every opportunity to be great. I wonder if these guys realize that once they get to the NBA they'll have to work even harder than they need to in order to be a college success? Not that UK doesn't do a solid job at player development, but if a guy like Kevin Garnett had to choose this year a college to go to, I guarantee he picks KU 'cause he wants a coach that will push him to be the best he can possibly be.

fareasthawk 9 years, 4 months ago

It is really disappointing we didn't get Randle. He would've been a starter and an impact player next year. He seems like much more of a sure thing than Embiid/Lucas. I think he probably would've started along side Ellis in the post. However, that would've been weird for a Self team w/o a true center. People are posting that it's better for the 14-15 squad, but I don't see that logic. He would've started and Lucas/Embiid would've come off the bench giving them time to develop. He would've improved our chances next year and we'd still be set for 14-15 after he left. It's definitely not the end of the world. We will be good without him, but I would've been more confident about next year if we signed him. He seemed like an excellent fit and I wish I could understand his thinking. I loved watching Kentucky fail this year. It was almost as good as watching Missouri and Duke lose in the first round of the tourney last year. I hope Kentucky falters next year, but it doesn't seem likely they will. I am excited to see the returning players mature and see what the incoming recruits can do. I see the starters being Tharpe, Seldon, Greene, Ellis, Embiid. I am sure there will be a lot of growing pains. I hope Adams stays and buys in. He's shown flashes of greatness on offense and defense. I think it's lofty to expect Traylor to develop like TRob. I am hoping he can be at least a Darnell Jackson type contributor. Lucas to me is a total unknown. KU usually develops big men well so I hope this year has served him well and he could potentially start at the 5. I could see White starting at the 3. I hope his overall game improves by next yr and he can do more than jack it up from deep. I know none of this matters and there are still a lot of games to be played this year. Here's to a deep run in the tourney!

kellerman411 9 years, 4 months ago

When I saw the gold watch, I already knew he had chosen Kentucky. I truly believe he will look back on this decision and consider it his worst ever. He could have played 35 minutes a night at KANSAS. What a fool! Julius will play maybe 20 minutes a night and will be desperately calling for the ball which he will never get. They want him for rebounding and shot blocking, that's it. Cal will have one more hoorah before everyone realizes that he simply can't coach.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 4 months ago

Huh? He's not a shot-blocker. That's Marcus Lee's role.

They want him for post scoring; though even there he may take a back seat to Dakari Johnson - Cal will let him jack up some jumpers & offensive putbacks after the Harrisons or J. Young put it up.

joeloveshawks 9 years, 4 months ago

Well I am not pleased like most KU fans but it is what it is. I agree that Wiggins will go elsewhere so we need to assume who we have now is our class and last time I checked it is ranked #2 or #3 depending on where you look. Pretty impressive in my opinion. We are going to love next years Freshman class. A couple of pure shooters, a kid who can get to the lane and another big man to help on the tradition of great post players at KU.

prairie_rattler 9 years, 4 months ago

Players like Patterson, Harrellson, and Miller are a thing of the past at UK, and leadership doesn't come from Calipari. They may have the best incoming class in the nation, but they also did this year, and that didn't translate to an NCAA bid... and there is no Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist in this year's bunch either. Which was the fluke season ending... 2012? or 2013? I'd be cautiously optimistic about the future.

UK has sold their soul to a used car salesman... for promise or potential in exchange for legacy. Everyone else in college basketball sees it and feels it's a shame. Most of their recruits are not there for the blue and white... they just bought the sales pitch and as Calipari has said the mark of his success will be getting kids to the next level as fast as possible... that's it. Calipari did it at Memphis... he could do it anywhere... it doesn't make UK special. UK has lost sight of tradition... We would have loved to have landed Randle or still get Wiggins, but we start four seniors this year and wouldn't trade that for both of them.

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