Monday, July 8, 2013

KU prep prospects impress at LeBron camp


Two of the top seven high school basketball seniors in the country, who both are considering Kansas University, excelled at the LeBron James Skills Academy, which concluded Monday in Las Vegas.

Cliff Alexander, a 6-foot-8, 240-pounder from Chicago Curie, who is rated No. 4 nationally by, emerged as the dominant big man at camp, while No. 7 Rashad Vaughn, a 6-5 shooting guard from Cooper High in New Hope, Minn., played so well “he’s asserting himself as the top shooting guard in the class of 2014,”’s Eric Bossi says.

A leg injury kept No. 6-rated Myles Turner, another KU prospect, from going head-to-head against Alexander on Sunday night.

“Simply put, Alexander was awesome,” analyst Dave Telep writes at “Most of his rebounds were two-handed and he dunked everything in sight. His offensive game is coming together quicker than expected and the baby hook is his go-to move. As big and as strong as he is, he has room to improve as a finisher (outside of the dunking, of course). The only defense for Alexander is to attempt to knock him a foot off his sweet spot and take your chances. The entire day belonged to Alexander.”

There’s a good chance Alexander will make his official visit to KU for the Oct. 4 Late Night in the Phog. That news was reported by No. 8-ranked Stanley Johnson, 6-6 senior small forward from Mater Dei High in Santa Ana, Calif., who will likely be visiting KU for that event. Alexander is also considering Michigan State, Kentucky, Louisville, Illinois, DePaul, Indiana, Memphis, Baylor and Arizona.

Meanwhile, regarding Minnesota native Vaughn, Telep writes that “Kentucky and Kansas are basically guaranteed official visits.” Vaughn is also considering North Carolina, Baylor, Minnesota, UCLA, Iowa State and others.

“While Alexander has looked like a future NBA player on the interior, Vaughn has looked like one on the wing,” Bossi writes from the LeBron camp. “The Minneapolis product was stroking jumpers from deep, finishing at the rim and as always hitting the glass extremely well for his position. No other shooting guard in the class can score as well as Vaughn can from all three levels, and it is quite apparent that his talk about working to take smarter, more efficient shots isn’t just talk, because the proof is in his much more efficient play at LeBron.”

Vaughn has not yet decided what prep school he’ll attend for his senior season.

No. 3 junior has KU on list: Ivan Rabb, a 6-9 junior power forward from Bishop O’Dowd in Oakland, Calif., who is ranked No. 3 in the Class of 2015, will trim his list to 10 to 15 schools at the end of the summer AAU season. ESPN’s Telep says KU, North Carolina, UConn, Cal-Berkeley, Arizona, Oregon and Ohio State “will be in the mix.”

Pierce plays poker: Former KU forward Paul Pierce, a member of the Boston Celtics until a trade to the Brooklyn Nets becomes official later this week, played at the World Series of Poker last weekend in Las Vegas. According to, Pierce entered the $10,000 buy-in pot-limit Omaha championship, which attracts the best professional poker players in the world. Pierce at one point was in the top 20 chip count, but was ousted Saturday night.

Taylor nets 25: Former KU guard Tyshawn Taylor scored 25 points off 7-of-13 shooting with three assists against five turnovers in the Brooklyn Nets’ 93-86 loss to the Miami Heat on Monday at the Orlando Summer League. He made one of four threes and 10 of 11 free throws.


Michael Luby 9 years ago

Tyshawn can score at will, there's no doubt about that. But, it seems as if he is still very turnover prone. Wonder if Coach Kidd will take a chance on him. Probly not though, cuz he just brought in some guy from the Cavs to compete for back up PG who is 6'7"

Michael Pannacciulli 9 years ago

Wonder when the first big name mentioned above will declaee at any school. Takes one and the dominos begin to fall. Alexander sounds a beast. Vaughn too sounds like the real deal. Hope you fellas make it to Late Night! You won't regret it and you will have a hard time beating KU for all that any University can affor a blue chip prospect. Academics, great fans, best coaches, staff, trainers, history, campus beauty, and Allen Fieldhouse...need I say more? Heck the guy who invented basketball was a coach here. I'll stop now...

REHawk 9 years ago

TT has now scored 42 points in the two games. Turnover numbers don't look good, and assists still low for a Jason Kidd mindset.

Ludwig Supraphonic 9 years ago

10 of 11 free throws look like he's putting pressure on the defense.

Jack Wilson 9 years ago

Rashad Vaughn - 6'5" shooting guard: We have Selden and we have Greene. We also have White (at the 3) and Frankamp (a 1 or 2).

Cliff Alexander - 6'8" power forward: We have Ellis and we have Embiid; and we have back ups Traylor and Lucas; and we have redshirt Mickelson.

Sure, I get that some guys could go pro. Decision time for recruits most always comes before decision time to turn pro. Most of the time (but see Randle and Wiggins).

Don't get your hopes up this time around (2014).

Ben Simonett 9 years ago

Rashad Vaughn is a realistic possibility, I know from first hand experience. Alexander, at worst, jumps Traylor and Lucas on the depth chart and sees solid minutes as the first big off the bench, more likely keeps Embiid on the bench for another year and starts alongside Ellis.

the 2014 class is the equivalent to the '06 class. After bringing in 4 McDs kids in the '05 class there wasn't alot of PT available. Self worked the recruiting trail surgically and brought in the final 2 peices of the puzzle he needed for his championship team: Sherron Collins and Darrell Arthur. the 2014 class isn't going to be deep, we need 2 big tallent guys to fill out the roster and then look out, Selfs got a legit championship contender again.

Robert Brock 8 years, 12 months ago

KU is not interested in Vaughn. KU is interested in Kelly Oubre.

As for Alexander - the Hawks would have to get past Tom Izzo to land him. Ain't going to happen.

texashawk10 8 years, 12 months ago

KU offered Vaughn, schools don't generally offer kids they have no interest. Where Vaughn is at on KU's wishlist is another matter. Cliff Alexander won't come to KU because KU won't have a starting spot for him and a OAD caliber player isn't coming to KU to ride the pine behind Ellis and Embiid in 2014-15.

David Leathers 8 years, 12 months ago

Except for the fact that we now have Jerrance Howard doing the recruiting in the Chicago area. Alexander immediately became interested in KU as soon as he was hired. Everyone, and I mean everyone, loves coach Howard. I think he may have more pull on Alexander than Izzo at this point. It really comes down to playing time...

Jack Jones 8 years, 12 months ago

I am always amazed at anyone who posts such absolute statements ~ obviously, someone with incredible inside information. Nah ~ my money is on NOT!!

texashawk10 8 years, 12 months ago

An elite 2 is a possibility if Selden ends up OAD (entirely possible) and someone waits until April or May to commit. If people want to throw out comparisons to previous classes, I'll say the 2014 will look like the 2007 class of Cole and Reed. If more players leave than expected (I think Self is anticipating losing 2 on the low end and 5 on the high end with 3 being the likely number) then the 2014 class could look very similar to the 2011 class that had a lot of lower rated players who were essentially leftovers and no obvious superstar in the class (McLemore was 34th which is not normal superstar territory).

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 12 months ago

Wiggins will be starting the "3" this year and leaving. Opens up starting "3" spot. COULD go to Br. Greene OR Selden could slide from the "2" to the "3". Could see that being more likely the case. AWESOME competition between Br. Greene (if he's as good as I suspect) & R. Vaughn if he were to come to KU I suspect.

Let's say they JUST get Cl. Alexander. That's easier to see what would happen.....slide Perry down to a bit oversized "3" into Wiggins's spot from this year and let Cliff start at the "4".

texashawk10 8 years, 12 months ago

What in Bill Self's track record makes you think Perry Ellis will ever spend any relevant minutes playing the 3 for KU? Julian Wright didn't do it and Marcus Morris didn't do it and both were better equipped to play the 3 than Ellis is at the college level.

Kevin Huffman 8 years, 12 months ago

I think a more realistic approach to the '14 Recruiting Class is to get a PG you are SURE would inherit the starting role from Tharpe no later than the start of the '15 season (backing up in '14...or even inheriting if surpasses expectations)....enough talent that might just be a 3-year guy, but a good solid 2 years starting for KU.

My hopes pin on Josh Perkins. NEVER had UK under consideration before and now is seriously considering them & UK vice versa - makes me think that UK's not as confident in landing Mudiay as they were before....of course, I've said from the get-go that Mudiay would be the penultimate #1 perfect recruit for our championship in '15 aspirations but I've always assumed to UK. I think UK's not really nervous about us with him but nervous about Baylor in the "keep him home" approach. Thus, sunddenly Perkins is being thought about at UK as they, like everyone else sees Jones going to Duke most likely.

So realistically, I'd like to see us get Josh Perkins sooner rather than later....don't hold out hope on Jones or Mudiay - we're not getting either. We might have a chance at McLaughlin, but now some are rating Perkins higher now anyway.

THEN, I'd like to see a SG/SF that's a 3-4 year talent that would maybe ride the bench but maybe be able to put up some minutes that's maybe ranked 40th - 80th right now....someone like Jared Terrell or Jalen Lindsay.

Realistically, we then will need to go CRAZY like we did in '13 with the '15 class....suspect we could lose a LOT after the '15 season. Would love to see a UK-like haul that year - i.e., M. Newman, Rabb, S. Zimmerman.

Ted Hume 9 years ago

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jaybate 9 years ago

"Tyshawn Chaser from Yesterday's Thread"

TT is a mold breaker at PG.

Traditional PGs like Kidd and Rondo get you a high assist/TO ratio, but require lots of good shooters around them to get the assists; that's the traditional point guard mold. The traditional in the box point of view.

To be efficient in the traditional POV, PGs need lots of good shooters around them; shooters that can make shots 23-28 out to get threes, when the traditional PG can't score at the rim and make FTs for 3pt plays.

But a little recognized problem with traditional point guards is they are often passing the ball to long shots with lower shooting percentages than inside scoring, and as the game wears on long shot shooting percentage declines.

Traditional PGs dishing off are most often kicking out, where a trey is taken and a long rebound results, which is good if you have good perimeter rebounders and bad if you don't.

Traditional PGs aren't very good trifectates. Kidd averaged 35% career and Rondo in the high 20s. Among the tradional PGs TT would be above average from trey.

Tyshawn's combo of length and XTReme speed and get to the rim allows him to break the mold. Breaking the mold means he does not have a glossy assist to TO ratio. But it turns out that this is good.

TT driving and shooting first makes team offense vastly more efficient, if the team is schemed to capitalize on it, as we learned his last season, when Bill and Joe finally figured out how to do it.

It means way more first shots are taken within 5 feet. And way more second shots occur within 5 feet. If a team has dominant rebounding bigs, and one good rebounding wing you almost can't lose statistically playing Tyshawn's game.

This approach is so fantastically efficient that Self was able to win 30 plus games with five good guys and two near walk-ins. It is also why KU hung with UK's 6 OADs even with two starters barely able to play on their injuries.

In this approach it is the new normal for a PG to have near a 1:1 A/TO ratio and to go negative not infrequently as the price of shooting consistently close to the basket.

This approach also yields more truly wide open looks when treys actually are taken.

Kidd grasps the concept, or he wouldn't be testing it so vigorously with Tyshawn. At the same time he is hedging his bets with the new backup.

Phoggy_Notion 8 years, 12 months ago

The condensed version of your post: "Tyshawn Taylor is a combo guard"

jaybate 8 years, 12 months ago

Utterly missed my point, but thanks for weighing in.

jaybate 8 years, 12 months ago

By the way, in your defense, I did a very poor job of writing, so it is not surprising you missed my point.

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 12 months ago

I love answering the Google questions all wrong!!!

Ted Hume 8 years, 12 months ago

Thanks for your support above, all. Hard to believe they would delete such a comment. Really makes them look even worse, right?

Allan Jackson 8 years, 12 months ago

That would require actually reading the question along with the answers. I'm gonna stick with randomly clicking an answer (typically the first one).

Jeff Coffman 8 years, 12 months ago

They suspended my account for acknowledging I did that.

Unfortunately, my account has a cookie so I can keep posting at will.

William Davis 8 years, 12 months ago

I just wanted to voice a little support for the new voting system.

Clearly, donations and ad revenues were not sufficiently reasonable and this was the best available option. I have read these articles for years at no direct cost to me, and I am happy to answer some questions in order to support the continuation of articles. If that means that I have to answer questions regarding my flavored milk preferences, then so be it.

It is a little upsetting to see so many people jumping ship as soon as they are asked to contribute 10 seconds of time. I wonder if people would have been so 'offended' had you required $0.10 per article view.

Rock Chalk

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 12 months ago

I don't intend to jump ship...they just need to be prepared for a bunch of incorrect data on my part.

William Davis 8 years, 12 months ago

I am asking that you consider, that giving the false data IS 'jumping ship'. If everybody answers incorrectly (aside from the fact that statisticians will derive some percentage of truth from intentionally answering incorrectly) then the site will be forced into another method.

If the method by which they are financing the site is your problem, then I am honestly interested in a different proposal.

William Davis 8 years, 12 months ago

It may mean that is incapabe of remaining sustainable with the crop of ads they use/used. As in, we aren't clicking on enough ads (or buying enough of what is clicked on). Clearly, if everyone bought clicked on and bought every ad that was on the site, the ad space would be very attractive for businesses and resorting to the new system would not be needed.

Also, I do not mean to imply that everyone who is against the new system is 'jumping ship'. Voicing concern is perfectly reasonable. I just worry that people may be a little quick to judge and hop on the bandwagon before thinking it through. Not that I am saying you, or anyone, is necessarily doing that.

Ted Hume 8 years, 12 months ago

I get that. But here's the thing: anyone who spends time on this board knows that it is a wildly successful site with a large and devoted readership, which translates to a huge niche online audience that many other media co's don't have the fortune to have, thanks to the product: KU Athletics. They already get to exploit this, as they should because they are after all, business- we're all in this thing together- with higher ad rates for other ad systems that are proven to work and be more tolerable to audiences. The point is that if this particular revenue stream is so much more frustrating for the consumer, then they should know about this feeling (whatever the justification or lack thereof) and understand it fully. That's all we're expressing: that we are far less happy with this chosen ad stream, and we'd like the product better if they elected to not use it.

William Davis 8 years, 12 months ago

Point taken. I do not know their financials; only that they don't want to drive customers away. Clearly, we aren't clicking on enough advertisements :)

Ted Hume 8 years, 12 months ago

I agree. I'm not in advertising or marketing professionally, but have some tangential experience, and i understand that the newspaper industry is in peril right now, and that we aren't clicking on enough ads, and they need to desperately increase revenues in the online sector to avoid going to a subscriber system, which will implode readership, which is a conundrum with no palatable solution.... and to be honest taking 5 seconds to click though a survey is truly a minor inconvenience for anyone, while at the same time one that leaves people feeling intruded upon somehow- much like keeping a log of all metadata on one's phone history rubs people the wrong way ( I couldn't care less that the entirety of my cell phone history lives in the NSA system in Maryland, personally; it's a non-issue for me). But people are bothered by things, and these surveys happen to be one of them. So while I either don't answer them very meaningfully, or blindly click an answer at random- it greatly affects the meaningfulness of their market data, and that determines the cost-benefit of their company paying for it in the end, so....

Phil Leister 8 years, 12 months ago

Whether or not you agree with the surveys, it's pretty ridiculous the amount of censorship that has taken place. Even mildly critical comments are deleted. Serious question, where can I find a copy of the user agreement?

8 years, 12 months ago

A little light reading, under “Access and Use of the Website”:

“At any time and in its sole discretion, KUsports can remove any User Generated Content (as defined below) content that it deems objectionable, including, but not limited to, User Generated Content that is racist, sexist, potentially libelous, defamatory, malicious, profane, copyright protected or otherwise containing third-party intellectual property, off-topic, disrespectful to other users, consists of inflammatory attacks of a personal nature, factually incorrect, used to identify users, incendiary to violence or other criminal activity or commercial advertisements. In addition to removing your objectionable User-Generated Content, KUsports also may ban you from accessing the Website. If KUsports bans you from the Website, for any reason, in KUsports’s sole discretion, you may not return to the Website under any circumstances and you may not register under a different User Name and/or Account. If you return to the Website or attempt to return to the Website after KUsports has banned you from access, you will be deemed to have breached this Agreement, and KUsports reserves the right to pursue all rights and remedies available to it at law or in equity with respect to such breach.”

Phil Leister 8 years, 12 months ago

So how exactly is commenting about one's dislike of the surveys in violation of the agreement? It's not off-topic, since people have to take the survey to read the given article. It's not racist, sexist, libelous, defamatory, malicious, profane, copyright protected, disrespectful to other users, incendiary to violence, or anything else. The ONLY thing they have is the phrase "but not limited to". I guess the phrase they left out is "anything we just don't like".

jayhawkinATL 8 years, 12 months ago

I have the feeling we are about to be deleted again. LOL

NWJayhawk425 8 years, 12 months ago

Way off topic of the article, but some friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago this year for the Champions Classic, has anyone been to one of the last two? If so, what were ticket price ranges and how hard/easy was it to get them? Thanks!

Robin Smith 8 years, 12 months ago

A little context on Tyshawn's play in the Orlando Summer League and his situation with the Nets. These games are chaotic and at times players are desperate to show what they can do. Additionally they've practically never played with each other before. Turnovers happen. What's important is that Tyshawn has shown he can dominate and exert his will. He's been sensational by summer league standards. He has a good chance to be on the OSL All-Star team. Livingston is insurance and could be in front of Tyshawn in the depth chart (for a little while), but he's a career backup. Kidd and the Nets are definitely planning on grooming Tyshawn for the future. Speed, scoring spark, and defense are exactly what you want in DWill's backup. CJ Watson (PG) is gone, as is Marshon Brooks (scorer). Look for TT and an aged JET to spearhead a pretty quick and potent second unit, when the starters are resting up.

Robin Smith 8 years, 12 months ago

Re recruiting: there's so many good players. If we end up with only two spots, I don't know how Self will decide.

jaybate 8 years, 12 months ago


Part 1

FROM: I. M. Waching, Meta Director, Department of Homeland Surveying

TO: Tom Keegan

RE: Blow back from reputed mandatory survey taking before posting

Dear Tom,

We here at the Department of Homeland Surveying (not to be confused with the Department of Homeland Security) apologize for intentionally forgetting to notify you that we would be making this change in your web site. However, our intentional over-site was entirely unavoidable and, I might add, an integral part of our now 12 year and counting War On Basketball Terror (WOBT) effort, especially with regards to our necessary pursuit of Total Information Knowingness (TIK).

Tom, it has come to our attention that we don't yet know everything there is to know about everything, and so we have decided to take the audacious step of appropriating bottom feeding market research tactics developed by the private sector (BFMRTDBTPS) to ramp up our full-spectrum-knowingness (FSK) strategy. Yes, we are using compulsory surveying (CS) and we are using your website without your permission, or prior knowledge (WYPOPK), in this incredibly necessary national basketball security (NBS) effort. In the War on Basketball Terror Ages (WOBTA), that have eclipsed the Cold War and the Industrial Age, and that competes for acronymns with the actual War on Terror, we have concluded that no factoid about basketball consumers is too insignificant for us not to know.

We here at the Department of Homeland Surveying have reason to believe that the website is a repository for things we don't yet know and want to know about everything that we might ever want to know, and even about some things we will probably never want to know, but want to collect, so that people can never be sure about what we are using and what we are not using.

For instance, we are confident that there is a gap in our knowledge spectrum about something called "staying on spots," and about "manning up," and about "scoring the ball." Some of our analysts are really wanting to ramp up knowledge about "scoring the ball." We want to know more about those subjects and about subjects we don't yet know we don't know about. All really good surveying seeks to understand not only what it needs to know, but also what it doesn't know it doesn't need to know. Ya follow?

jaybate 8 years, 12 months ago

Part 2

In case you were wondering, Tom, and even if you were not, we are using the compulsory surveying (CS) as a diversionary tactic for engaging KU posters, so that we can build up personality profiles of posters that can be used in conjunction with the comet trails of their internet surfing to decide whether these posters need to be abducted and subjected to enhanced surveying techniques (EST) at special Enhanced Survey Centers (ESC) created secretly during the Bush Administration on the outskirts of most major metropolitan statistical areas and which are staffed with mauve-beret-wearing XTReme Marketing Majors. These centers, I am at liberty to say, are often located within major media markets that our analysts say are generally given preferred spin by national broadcast talking heads in comparison with piss ant media markets like yours. But beyond that I cannot go.

Tom, we believe that this is one of those times when going along to get along is the patriotic and sportsmanlike thing to do here. I can promise you without qualification that we will share everything we learn with you unless we think we shouldn't.

I want to compliment you and your staff for how well you are handling this blow back without knowing it was a premediated act of deception on our part...for the good of basketball, of course.

Carry on, and as your readers post....

Rock Chalk!!!

(Note: All fiction. No malice.)

kubb 8 years, 12 months ago

You got to love jaybate. Way to bring some levity to the discussion.

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