Kansas defeats Purdue, 63-60

  • 7:40 p.m., March 18, 2012
  • CenturyLink Center, Omaha,

Monday, March 19, 2012

Sweet survival: Jayhawks rally past Purdue

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor goes wild after a three by teammate Elijah Johnson, left, put the Jayhawks up by one for their first lead of the game against Purdue during the second half on Sunday, March 18, 2012 at CenturyLink Center in Omaha.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor goes wild after a three by teammate Elijah Johnson, left, put the Jayhawks up by one for their first lead of the game against Purdue during the second half on Sunday, March 18, 2012 at CenturyLink Center in Omaha.


Final thoughts following KU's dramatic win over Purdue

Journal-World sports reporters Jesse Newell and Matt Tait give their final thoughts following KU's dramatic 63-60 win over Purdue on March 18, 2012.

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KU coach Bill Self

Kansas coach Bill Self talks to reporters following the Jayhawks' 63-60 victory over Purdue on March 18, 2012.

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KU guards Elijah Johnson and Tyshawn Taylor

KU guards Elijah Johnson and Tyshawn Taylor talk to reporters following the Jayhawks' 63-60 victory over Purdue on March 18, 2012.

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Purdue's Matt Painter, Robbie Hummel and Lewis Jackson

Purdue coach Matt Painter and players Robbie Hummel and Lewis Jackson talk to reporters following the Boilermakers' 63-60 loss to Kansas on March 18, 2012.

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Box score

— Tyshawn Taylor pulled his Kansas University basketball jersey over his head, breathing a quick sigh of relief.

Teammate Elijah Johnson thrust his hands high in the air, celebrating with fans who were dancing in the aisles of CenturyLink Center after the final horn sounded in KU’s 63-60 NCAA Midwest Regional victory over Purdue on Sunday.

Two of the game’s biggest heroes then embraced before finally heading to the locker room following quick TV and radio interviews, their season still alive with a Sweet 16 date with North Carolina State on tap at 9:17 p.m. Friday in St Louis.

“We kept grinding and grinding and never gave up,” Taylor said. “You’ve got to trust your teammates. I trusted Elijah to knock that shot down, and he trusted me to go get that lob. That’s what we did. The trust we have in each other is the reason we won the game.”

Johnson, who scored 18 points off 7-of-14 shooting, stroked a deep three with 3:01 left, giving KU a 57-56 lead — its first lead of a game in which the Jayhawks trailed by as many as 11 the first half.

“Money,” Johnson said, asked what he thought when he let the shot go. “I had a smirk on my face because I knew it was going down.”

Undaunted, Purdue, which was led by the 26-point performance of Robbie Hummel (he had 22 the first half), scored the next four points and led, 60-57, at 1:58.

Johnson lofted a lob to Taylor, who dunked at :59.9 to slice the gap to one.

“I was throwing that lob whether I threw it off the backboard or not,” Johnson said. “That’s our game.”

“We’ve got that play so many times, me throwing it to him, him throwing it to me. He trusts me, and I went and got it for him,” the 6-foot-3 skywalking Taylor said.

Still down one, KU benefited from the Taylor-Johnson combo once again. Taylor knocked the ball from senior guard Lewis Jackson with 27 seconds to play. Johnson secured the steal and raced in for a layup at :23 to give KU a 61-60 lead.

“It’s not the biggest layup of my life,” Johnson said with a smile, “but it’s one of them.”

Still, Purdue had a chance to win. Hummel, who was guarded by Thomas Robinson, hoisted a three with about eight seconds left, with Robinson rebounding and passing to Taylor, who instead of trying to run the clock out dunked at :03 to give KU the 63-60 lead.

“I thought about it (running it out), but I thought, ‘I’ve got to dunk it,’” Taylor said. “You can go up by three points, and they would have to make a three-pointer with only two seconds left, so they would have to make a long pass. I laid it up, but I did think about it.”

Up three, KU sweated out one final possession. Ryne Smith missed a three that banked off the backboard — but did hit the rim — at the buzzer, assuring KU’s victory.

“It was pure joy,” KU junior Robinson said after the shot missed and KU won. “I felt pride — pride in my teammates, pride in the fans who were here, the coaches, everybody.”

“It was awesome. We get to live another day,” noted center Jeff Withey, who scored just four points with two rebounds while playing only 15 minutes because of match-up problems against a Purdue team that hit eight of 18 threes, seven of 10 the first half.

KU coach Bill Self used a triangle-and-two defense with smaller players Johnson and Conner Teahan doing the chasing on Hummel and either D.J. Byrd or Smith the second half.

“We were all speechless. To come back and win like that and make plays at the end takes so much toughness,” Withey added. “We played defense the last 10 minutes. That’s why we won the game.”

Self, whose team trailed 36-30 at halftime and 45-36 with 14 minutes to play, loves the way his team clawed until the end.

“How we won this game is who we are: getting stops and making plays,” Self said.

“Thomas tried so hard,” he added of Robinson who finished with 11 points off 2-of-11 shooting with 13 rebounds. “They tried to take him out of the game. When Teahan goes 2-for-7 (from three on day KU goes 6-24) and Travis is 0-fer (0-for22, finishing with 10 points) and Tyshawn is 0-for-4 (from three, 10 total points) and can’t get to the paint and Thomas can’t get touches ... it’s good to be able to still find a way to win. This should help us down the line.”

He said the game reminded him of KU’s overtime victory over Missouri in which KU battled back from a 19-point deficit. The players, too, noticed the similarities.

“My message to the team at halftime was, ‘We’ve been here before. Don’t get discouraged,’” Taylor said. “Just keep playing. It’s a long game, a game of runs. Coach always says that.”

“What went through my head,” Johnson noted, “is the whole time coach preached to us it’s going to come down to one possession. No matter the score, I felt it would come down to one possession, no matter what. We knuckled down and put our past experiences into effect today.”

Hummel brought back bad memories of former Purdue great Glenn Robinson in the 1994 NCAA Tournament (he had 44 in a victory over KU) by scoring 22 in the first half and lifting Purdue to a 36-30 lead at the break.

Hummel hit seven of eight shots before intermission. He knocked down five threes in six tries. He also made three of five free throws and had six rebounds in 18 minutes.

Robinson had just three points off 1-of-5 shooting with eight boards in 17 first-half minutes. Withey, who had some problems defensively early, did not score with no rebounds in nine minutes. Taylor had just four points off 1-for-5 shooting in 16 minutes.

KU had just four assists against four turnovers in the entire half.

Seven players scored for KU in the first half, with Travis Releford leading the way with eight points. Purdue hit seven of 10 threes in the half to KU’s four of 16.


PayHeedAll 10 years, 6 months ago

Gutsy win, hawks! E.J. = first team big XII and stud next year. I'll be sure to give Columbia a special wave as I drive through on my way to St. Louis! RCJH

baldwinjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

would that be the naughty finger wave?

KUbsee69 10 years, 6 months ago

Just don't exit!

I try to drive past as fast as I can, because I can only hold my breath for so long.

Jayhawklegacy 10 years, 6 months ago

We made the adjustments we needed to make the second half and pulled off the W!!! Way to claw back and show heart. I'm proud of the way we won no matter how close the score. Keep showing heart like that and this will be a great tournament no matter the outcome!!

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

I'm not sure what adjustments you are referring to - not saying there weren't any - I just thought we finally put 3 good plays together at the exact right time.

In other words, we pulled one out of our butts!

David Howell 10 years, 6 months ago

That game falls under the category of "What the Hell Just Happened ?" .........

I have to admit in our house it was full of a lot crying, whining, complaining and excitement. Somehow despite the officiating being slanted towards Purdue (they seemed to be Robbie Hummels biggest fans) and the Jayhawks poor shooting and decision-making, a grind it out victory was achieved. My boys just don't understand my fears and inadequacies when Tharpe goes in the game. But for once he held his own for his short 4 minutes of play.

They should have won and did despite poor FT shooting once again and Withey's continuing lackluster play (being slow and weak) ! Here's to get everything ironed out back in Lawrence this week so we can take care of paying back Roy's boys for any and everything they ever did to us !!

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

Don't discount NC State. They will be tough.

jayhawkmike 10 years, 6 months ago

You can't be speaking of Big 12 Defensive player of the year can you? Gather some perspective.

actorman 10 years, 6 months ago

Your comment about the officiating is ridiculous. I thought they did a pretty good job. There was plenty of pushing and shoving on both sides that wasn't called, but I didn't see any really bad calls or non-calls. If you think they called it unfairly against KU, you're coming from a biased perspective.

farnamjayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I agree actorman. I was sitting front row with mostly Purdue fans behind me and they weren't real happy with the officiating early on. By the end of the game the refs seemed to be letting them play and everything evened out on the calls.

Kent Kossoy 10 years, 6 months ago

Agree that officiating was bad both ways. But TRob was being consistently mugged by 2 or 3 players at a time!!

justanotherfan 10 years, 6 months ago

The officiating wasn't bad so much as it was physical to the extreme. I was concerned at several points that the extreme physical play was going to get out of hand. The crew wasn't biased, but they walked a very fine line between letting them play and losing control of the game.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 6 months ago

Foul calls were fine. It was the missed traveling calls. The game is too fast for guys that should be drawing Social Security rather than officiating.

JHawk06 10 years, 6 months ago

Agreed. The traveling no-call was so obvious and the "foul" on hummel just minutes before was a no call at best. When the announcers make comments and show the replay.. you know its a bad call.

Besides those 2 bad ones in a row I do think it was called evenly.

David Howell 10 years, 6 months ago

Funny how a close win makes people forget things they WOULDN'T forget if we lost. Seriously what has Withey done for the Hawks lately ? He is 7 ft. and should be imposing his will on the other team. Instead other teams dictate our lineup because of his shortcomings.

Officiating was good or even ? Their bigs set moving screens all night and shoved at will. They had very quick whistles for the Hawks. Almost anticipated calls at times. As for Hummel he gave a quite wicked forearm to TRob's chest and at least twice fouls that were on Hummel were called on someone else. He even quickly raised his hand once knowing it was on him !

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

Self sat Withey to get the best defensive matchup for T-Rob, not because Withey was playing poorly.

addlime 10 years, 6 months ago

Dude! One of their bigs went 5 of 6 from three in the first half! There is no way Withey can be expected to guard 6 feet behind the three point line. Hummel is a special player that causes match up problems every game. This was his CAREER game until Self made the decision to go small. Ku is lucky to have great defenders like releford who defended Hummel so well in the second half.

741hawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Non-call on knees sliding across the floor was the worst!

actorman 10 years, 6 months ago

Are you forgetting the minor detail that he was fouled before he slid across the floor? I'd say that evened out.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

That's what Steve Kerr kept saying, but there certainly was no foul evident on the replay.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

I had no major issues w/the officiating but I do agree about Withey. I know: Big 12 Defensive POY but his offense is slow and weak. If he can make the same improvements on offense as he did on defense over the summer..he could really be an inside force next year.

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

I posted earlier that I would rather face St. Mary's than Purdue because, "a healthy Hummel could match up OK with T-Robb, and they have a big, slow-ish center (Marcius). We have less success (fewer opportunities to score) when a team slows it down. They beat us only if we don't play inside AND they make 9-10 3's."

Thankfully they made "only" 8 treys, because we sure couldn't play inside. I know some match ups are just plain bad, but Withey was invisible out there. Robbie Hummel is one Dude to be Respected, as well as Coach Painter for an excellent game plan.

Fortunately we were AS tough. They knew they'd have to win ugly this year. Loved the, "you told me you were ready!" call out/scream from Self during the first of the game.Thanks for leading the way EJ, and to HCBS for having a plan - or multiple plans - and getting the response we needed.

Another Instant Classic!!!

dylans 10 years, 6 months ago

Painter is a good coach, but his facial expressions are pretty d-bag like. I wouldn't want him in Lawrence as KU's coach.

packywacky88 10 years, 6 months ago

Just got home from the game. Wow. They showed great poise hanging in there and chipping away, making the right moves at the right time for a W. I can't believe how Purdue shot lights out and we still pulled it off.

Right before EJ hit the 3ptr to put us up by one, he was talking with Taylor after the timeout and was grinning ear to something was up, that he knew he had a big shot in him and was waiting to use it. How about those guard burning up the court? I don't think anyone in the country could catch them tonight. Wonderful Jayhawk moment in Omaha tonight.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 6 months ago

Next game you go to can you put a little more spirit into it? Our crowd last night was atrocious. All I could hear was Purdue fans last night. All of the KU fans that went to this game should be ashamed they did not cheer louder.

Bill Moorhead 10 years, 6 months ago

Really? What game were YOU at? Where we sat all we heard were KU fans all night long. And remember, the CenturyLink Center is not AFH, no matter how many KU fans are there. Atrocious? Hardly!

RockChalk26 10 years, 6 months ago

The mic was right in front of the Purdue band. It would have been completely different had the mic been on the opposite baseline.

packywacky88 10 years, 6 months ago

I can barely speak today so lighten up. I recall several times thinking it was not AFH loud, but it equated to the average NCAA home crowd noise. On those two defensive stops that won the game, I can assure you the crowd was a factor. Not bad for a road game.

Come on mullen....pull your head out. You can't always believe everything you hear on TV. I just saw your avatar...sorry, my mistake. That arena was rocking for KU.

brooksmd 10 years, 6 months ago

That lob from EJ to TT floored me because when he threw it up I'm thinking wtf is he doing? And then TT flys in from the other side for the dunk. I know TT can scoot but he must've lit the afterburners coming up court on that one.

HiloHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I noted the grins also. I thought it was a real statement about our team. That, no matter how dismal the situation looked to US, they were just going to do their thing. No out of control desperation. No finger-pointing or blaming each other [or the Coach, though I was tempted to scold him for his choice of matchups], etc. It's what Self and Company do best - create a real TEAM atmosphere. Rock, Chalk, JAYHAWK!!!

Scott MacWilliams 10 years, 6 months ago

Wow! I was not worried, but I kept hoping that Thomas would get on track despite the sumo wrestling he was getting around the basket. That was brutal!!!

Finally EJ cashes in and everybody kept clawing and scratching to keep it within reach. What a great, tough game. I hope that everybody gets rested up and is ready to have another hard game against NC state. They will be for real, and maybe a tougher out that UNC, IMO.

hey, everyone on their way to St Louis can stop in Columbia for a rest stop and get rid of all your $*#& there....

rOCK cHALK!!! << All caps!!

lincase 10 years, 6 months ago

You weren't worried?!! I was having a heart attack!

Joel Thomas 10 years, 6 months ago

Questionable dunk at the end by Taylor, but I think he made the right call. Don't want to miss a free throw and be up by less than three, then lose on a miracle vs tie on a miracle. I think KU was more emotionally ready for OT.

c17flyingjayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Ty defnitely made the right call. He had great situational awareness to go for the guaranteed 2-point dunk to force a 3 point game, rather than run the clock, get fouled, and go to the line on a night he wasn't hitting shots (and Purdue was). I'll take points on the board over possible points on the board anyday.

Ben Kane 10 years, 6 months ago

agreed, take the guaranteed points every time. no way he dribbles out all 2.5 seconds. cbs announcers are idiotic.

i'd rather give them a shot to tie with 2.5 secs left than a shot to win with 1.5 seconds left.

thmdmph 10 years, 6 months ago

Most people in the same situation would have done the same as Ty. However, he could have avoided the foul in 2.5-3 secs. He was far ahead of the closest guard on the floor. In retrospect, it'd have been better to not give the other team a chance to equalize than to score in that case. Even in the worse case scenario, Purdue was able to foul, it would have been -0.0001 seconds left on the clock. The only way they could have tied or won is for them to inbound the ball from the other end directly into the basket with somebody just barely touching the ball as it drops in for a 2-pointer.

justanotherfan 10 years, 6 months ago

Tough to say whether or not he could have dribbled the clock out, because although he was well clear of the nearest defender, he would have had to stop when he was already running top speed and circle towards the corner. I've seen guys try to do that and end up dribbling the ball out of bounds or traveling. Not saying that would have happened to Tyshawn, but there's always a risk when you do something unnatural like stop on a fast break. I think he made the right decision, although I would have been okay with him slowing down before laying it in to get a little more time off the clock.

Sam Constance 10 years, 6 months ago

There is no way he is able to burn 3 seconds of clock without getting fouled or losing the ball. The guaranteed points were absolutely the correct decision.

Plus, it's always better to execute plays that are second nature, rather than trying to do something completely unnatural and (imho) "cute" to try and run out clock.

We all know the line of thought that time is the worst enemy of a team that is behind. However, when you get under 10 seconds, additional points are almost identical to killing time.

One thing that no one has pointed out is that, with the three point lead (which was only guaranteed by the free layup), and so little time left, KU was in a perfect spot to employ the intentional fouling strategy. And though that could also be seen as something that's not completely natural, there are two reasons that it's not the same situation:

1) Intentional fouling is a strategy every single basketball player over the age of six is familiar with. The quirk is that most basketball players are familiar with it in a situation where they are fouling to put a leading team on the line to stop the clock.

2) A specific strategy for intentionally fouling a trailing team can be created as a play that a team practices to become familiar with the logistics of the play. Now, only KU and Self know if they have that kind of a contingency strategy in place, but in this day/age, it seems like every team should at least HAVE that option, the same way every team in the NFL has a Hail Mary play.

andersonalex 10 years, 6 months ago

You can throw the ball up in the air and have it take more than 3 seconds to come back down.

Aligned 10 years, 6 months ago

Exactly. One-thousand-one, one-thousand-two; game over. You seem to one of the few people on this board who understand that.

VancouverHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

If someone fouls you before the ball comes down, the time stops at the occurrence of the foul, right?

kranny 10 years, 6 months ago

I'll take the points any day. Somebody else could've gotten fouled while TT is running around dribbling the ball-like TRele who is not a very good FT shooter.

brooksmd 10 years, 6 months ago

Or he could've dribbled off his foot or slipped in a wet spot (seem to remember an earlier game he lost the ball when he slipped). Give me a 3 pt lead with less than 3 sec and force the other team to bring the ball up court for a guarded/rushed 3 pointer to tie.

Jayhawklegacy 10 years, 6 months ago

I could not believe Purdue held the ball their final two plays which totally got them out of their offense and led to turnovers. That was crazy!!! They had a lights out shooting performance from Hummel the first half what can you do? He had a hands in his face unless he was at half court. The best thing about this is we gutted it out, which we could not do the previous couple of years! We didn't hit the panic button and some help at the end from Purdue. Regardless, we can win when things are not going our way which gives me hope that this jayhawk team will not quit!! Not this year! Not this tournament!

Jayhawklegacy 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh and I almost forgot. The play that had me jumping out of my seat was K-Youngs rebound in the second half. The one where he came flying in from the freethrow line and rebounded over 3 Purdue players. If you watch it back it looked like he was about a foot and half over all of them, pretty awesome!! I can't leave out Tharpes 3 ball had me celebrating also those two plays were as crucial as Taylors and EJ's. Great Job from them two!!

actorman 10 years, 6 months ago

Excellent point, legacy. That rebound by KY was pure effort, just tremendous energy.

packywacky88 10 years, 6 months ago

I too think Young's defensive and rebounding was a major plus.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

If K Young can slow down just a little to let his body keep up w/his mind, I think this kid would be dangerous. Serious skills when under control.

Curtis Stutz 10 years, 6 months ago

If this win doesn't fire you up I don't know what would. Tough night shooting for TRob, Purdue really stacked the paint against his post game and TT's penetration, so what happens? We get a huge night out of EJ, double digit scoring on good shooting and rebounding from TRel, amazing energy/defense/rebounding out of KYo, plenty of minutes from Teahan playing solid D and knocking down a few key 3's and a few quality minutes from both Tharpe and Wesley. Hopefully TRob and TT have better games the rest of the way, but it's good to know this team is capable of contributions from every angle after tonight.

HawkNVegas 10 years, 6 months ago

Good win Jayhawks. Made me proud to rep that blazing Kansas jersey. They might see me in KU gear both days on campus @ UNLV this week. Rock Chalk Jawhawk!

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Must admit as EJ shot the 3 which put KU ahead for the first time, I started cussing, till it went through the hoop. And with the defensive pressure TRob had to put up with all game, I'm proud of how the KU guards came through. This team just won't give up when they're down by double digits. Can probably credit KU's win against MU for that learning experience and the confidence it instilled.

This was another game in which the Jayhawks' defense kept them from losing, until the opposition wore down or KU's offense found itself.

I truly believe this season's close fought games have been helping the Jayhawks advance in the tournament. When a team continuosly wins comfortable, by 12+ points and with little pressure of losing, they can become complacent. A team becomes too over-confident (ie. Mizzery). The KU coaching staff's blood pressure must be running high, though. It's not helping mine any.

Two games down. One game at a time. N. Carolina State, you're next.

Ben Simonett 10 years, 6 months ago

I was the same way, we could have got that look at anytime in the shot clock i thought it was way to early to settle for that shot

fansincewilt 10 years, 6 months ago

The bench was as good as we have seen it all year.

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

Absolutely. Especially the production of EJ. (Bob Knight must be praising him as we speak.)

Shawn Otrimble 10 years, 6 months ago

Since the beginning of the season, I've been telling myself not to expect too much from this year's team. And I half to say this could be one of my favorite KU teams since "Danny and the Miracles." I am more impressed by what this team has done this year just for the fact that it seams like everything has been against them from the start. Amazing job Jayhawks! Also, I feel terrible for K-State, for being told 20 minutes before the game that Sammuels was ineligible. That was not fair. The NCAA gave that game to Syracuse. Boo

minnhawk84 10 years, 6 months ago

KSU pulled his eligibility pre-emptively, based on the assumption the $200 wire transfer would trigger an investigation from the NCAA. It was one of those "what did you know, and when did you know it?" scenarios that could have bit them pretty hard and caused sanctions. To know and not do anything in the eyes of the NCAA is worse than just about any other infraction.

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

“We were all speechless. To come back and win like that and make plays at the end takes so much toughness,” Withey added. “We played defense the last 10 minutes. That’s why we won the game.”

That's a very telling statement by Withey. If we play 40 minutes of defense, we win by 15.

But, I guess if we play one minute of defense and still win - so be it.


jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Here, here, nuleaf.

In the Madness, there are no points for style.

W or L.

Advance or go home.

They did what they had to do.

And now they've been exposed to real muscle ball and they won't be surprised the next time.

And there's going to be a next time.

We're likely meet Wisconsin, Syracuse, or Ohio State. These are all bruisers and we are going to be sooooooooooo prepared for the next bruiser ball game, because of what Purdue dished out.

And there's a reasonable chance that Michigan State is going to beat Kentucky, which means we'll have to play bruiser ball in the finals.

Bring those suckers on.

The Lawrence Airmen are going all the way.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

EJ had a great second half after a lousy first half. He really looked like he grew up the last five minutes; that's the first time I've seen him play with both fire and control--the magic combination.

Now he did it against a low seed, a team that had no length and and only one skilled player--the rest were just your average Big Ten bruiser ballers.

We've got to get EJ to put a whole game together--two halves--and we've got to get him to do it against a highly ranked team.

He's finally taken the first really big step towards becoming a complete basketball player. its been a long time coming, but its going to be worth the wait, if he can just play a full game and do it against a highly ranked team!

This is such a great situation for him. This tournament could be shaping up for the perfect development scenario for him. The next game is another low seed, like Purdue, and so this is a fabulous opportunity to put two good halves together--his next developmental step. I believe he will do it. What do you think? Can he take the next step now?

If he takes the next step, then he will have enough success in his bones to take that step after--to play well against a highly ranked team the following game in UNC. And what's best of all in this scenario is that UNC is just long and athletic. Not muscular, too. So he has a good chance to take another incremental step against UNC.

The key with all good players is to keep them taking incremental steps, when their door to getting better opens.

Go EJ. You can do it! Keep getting better!

farnamjayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

So you missed the Detroit game..... EJ did the same thing Friday night-poor first half and very strong second half.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

He made a few plays, but, no, I don't recall him dominating any stretch of the Detroit game. Which part are you referring to?

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

NC State's stats are similar to ours. I understand the ACC is regarded as weaker than the Big XII, but if we expect the players to take it one game at a time, than we should as well. Do not overlook the Big Red S.

Choctaw 10 years, 6 months ago

Your best player goes 2 for 12 from the field and 7 for 11 from the line.  Your second best player goes 0 for 4 from three and 4 for 11 overall. The Big 12 Defensive player of the year was ineffective, only had two rebounds and played just 15 minutes for the game.  Your team goes 6 for 24 from three and shoots 21 for 62 (34%) from the field..... and you win!  Amazing! Self did a wonderful job of making adjustments in this game.  Hummel had 22 at the first half and only 4 in the second half.  Releford was lockdown on Hummel in the second half after he roasted T Rob in the first half.  Elijah Johnson really stepped up his game and showed us we are in good hands next year at point guard.  He is shooting 50% from three in the last five games.   Let's all hope they got this out of their system and make a good run.   Everyone smile and wave you all drive through Columbia on your way to St. Louis this week.   

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PVJayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

It was a great adjustment on Hummel, but that raises this question in my mind: Why not make the "adjustment" much earlier, say at the 5 minute mark when you see that Hummel is shooting KU off the court??

Kye Clark 10 years, 6 months ago

I think the answer to that question is two-fold: First, in a small sample size - in your question 5 minutes - you still think your man-to-man defense, which has been so solid all year, is going to prevail. It's what the team is comfortable with, so naturally it is the defense your team will normally execute better. The second reason is because the adjustment - either the triangle and two or match-up zones - creates other problems, which we did see last night. It opens up offensive rebounding opportunities for your opponent, and it frees up other guys to have scoring chances. Terone Johnson had a stretch where he carried the Purdue offense in the second half when facing Self's adjustment defenses.

It's a good move, but I understand why Self waited to make the switch.

NoteToSelf 10 years, 6 months ago

Big win considering our best 2 players had poor games. TT and T-Rob will show up and play well in St. Louis on Friday. I wonder if UNC and NCST will root for or against each other in St. Louis? Obviously KU and MU didn't in Omaha, but I don't know how "heated" or "hated" the Carolina rivalry is? I'm hoping all the Misery fans who had tickets to St. Louis before the brackets were announced will sell their tickets instead of showing up just to root against the Hawks. RCJH!

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I would rather that Georetown had won against N. Carolina State.

KU could have a very tough game against NCS, because they match up pretty well against the Jayhawk lineup.

In his article on the remaining 16 tournament teams, ( - NCAA BB page) Dukie Vitale stated that NCS would very much like a rematch against N. Carolina to avenge a loss to the Tarheels in the recent ACC tournament. So NCS has the extra desire, not only to beat Kansas, but to give them another opportunity to go head to head against NC this season. (It may not rate as high as a Duke vs N. Carolina, or a KU vs MU game. But a NC vs NCS game might be similar to a KU vs KSU rivalry game.)

In addition, if NCS were to beat KU, and then beat NC, it would give them some in-state bragging rights during recruiting wars. NCS already has a very good class coming in next season. NCS may be a team to be reckoned with, not just now, but in the future.

I would very much like to eat what I just wrote. So, come on Jayhawks. I'm hungry, and I want another tournament win.

R C J H G K U !!! (All caps)

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Oops. That article was actually written by Eamonn Brennan, Under the headline "Sweet Feeling". It's just that there's a video of D. Vitale talkng at the top of the article.

brooksmd 10 years, 6 months ago

Well hopefully NCS will be thinking too much about NC and not as much about us.

Kevin Crook 10 years, 6 months ago

I thought the officials let it get out of hand physically from the very beginning. We got fouled pretty hard the first four shots we took and TRob got mauled the entire game. When the officials don't clean it up early the roughness just escalates. It looked like the same old NCAA upset story for us, shoot it really poorly and get beat up under the basket. We had match up problems against them, and TT wasn't into the flow of the game. Somehow we toughed it out, but we've got to execute offensively better, not shoot so many quick shots early in possessions, reverse the ball better, and someone is going to have to step up and make shots to open up the paint for TRob. We can't play from behind like that because it put too much pressure on us to shoot well from the outside. And why in he heck did we shoot so many 3's? That is not our game. It was a fantastic test of our resolve and toughness, but we can make things easier on ourselves.

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 6 months ago

Interesting that we're playing NC State after that sort of finish. Maybe the spirit of Jimmy V and his iconic words "..Never give up, don't ever give up." were somehow imbedded in the minds of these guys last night without them actaully knowing the origins of the statement. That speech moves most people in some way. As a sports referennce, it is a simple, yet concise mantra that needs to be adopted by teams involved in their preparation for and execution of all games. Then it needs to be incorporated into those players' lives outside the sport.

thmdmph 10 years, 6 months ago

The most amazing thing about this game is the team held onto it's composure throughout the game even when everything didn't go their way. Hummel was pure and simple bad**s. You can't help but respect the guy. KU was horrid on the line, from the trey, in running their offense and early defense. I even have to agree, in one part of the game, it seems like the refs were calling for the slightest contacts for Purdue. You could see their frustrations, especially TRob. However, it's really respectable that they didn't let it get to them more than it did under the circumstances. They didn't put up many wide, crazy early shots from the distance. Even more important, they didn't rush it and turn it over. I think this was the key - not turning it over. They con't to take their time offensively and con't fighting, defending and hustling. Because of their con't composure, even when we continue to be down, you still have a sense that KU was going to pull it off at the end.

My only gripe is I wish TRob is more composed to beat the multiple teaming he saw all night. You see this several times before also. Last night, it seems like TRob feels like he has to beat the double/triple/quadruple teams himself. He needs to mature and recognize that the way to beat that is to recruit your teammates to make them pay for it. Unfortunately, last night, other than EJ, the guards couldn't help much to make them pay. As a result, Purdue was given a green light to collapse on TRob the entire game.

This was a good game for the team. I especially think this was an even better game for Bill Self. It was amazing how he was trying to mix it up when nothing seems to be working. This was a game that I felt like KU would have been blown out of the water under Roy. So often, you see previous Roy's team defeated by one single player, in this case, Hummel. Self completely choked off their offensive guy in the second half.

NH_JHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Still breathless! Now, just beat NC State.

eastcoasthawk 10 years, 6 months ago

That's the total time KU had the lead last night! That has got to go down in history somehow.

Eric J. Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

First of all, excellent prediction by Jesse! Only one point off, but called the close win, as well as Purdue buying a lot of lottery tickets and almost winning because of it.

Also, why the hell was Purdue a 10 seed? Their worst losses were to Penn State and Butler, but otherwise only to ranked opponents, many of them in KenPom's top 10 (they had to play OSU, MSU, Michigan, and Indiana twice each). KenPom had them ranked 21st. Waaaaay underseeded.

And now I'm worried about NC State, who looks way underseeded as an 11, too. KenPom has them ranked 32, and their worst losses are to Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Stanford. All their other losses were to teams currently ranked, many of them in KenPom's top 20. And, worst of all, they're hot right now, ever since that 2 point loss to UNC in the ACC tournament that they kind of got screwed on. I think they want a rematch. Hopefully they'll cool down over the week and we can catch them thinking more about UNC than us.

Sam Constance 10 years, 6 months ago

Thank you!

Purdue was a 10-seed because with the glacial rate of progress within the NCAA, they insist on using the antiquated and completely meaningless RPI metric to seed teams.

In the RPI, Purdue was in the 40-something range, which makes their 10-seed about right.

But in ranking systems that actually measure the kinds of things that matter (like home v. away performance)--aka, Pomeroy and Sagarin--Purdue was ranked 21st and 23rd, respectively.

For those counting at home, that would put Purdue in the 5-6 seed range, meaning not only should they have had an easier first-round opponent than St. Mary's, but a 2-seed like Kansas should NEVER have had to play them in the second round, much like a 1-seed should NEVER have been playing a team the caliber of UNI in the second round back in 2010.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 6 months ago

I was afraid I was dreaming, had to check the headlines this morning to make sure.

Jim Stauffer 10 years, 6 months ago

Well I can see what happened to Trob, he was taken out of the game as their No. 1 defensive priority. But what is wrong with TT? He has not played at all yet in the tourney. He cannot get his shots over the rim. He is no more than a shell of himself. Color me worried.

And to the guy who thought Purdue should have been firing up shots from Hummel in the last two possessions, they were trying, but in case you missed it he only scored 4 points in the second half because we put a blanket on him.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

I have no idea how KU pulled that off last night, but somehow we are in the Sweet 16! Congrats fellas!

Purdue had the equation for a victory though: Lights Out 3 Pt Shooting + Poor KU Defense + KU Missing Easy Shots = KU Tournament Loss. They had an unfortunate second half, but give them credit. One more lucky bounce and KU would've been sent packing.

That game was so physical. Maybe too physical for my liking (don't get me wrong, I like when the refs let 'em play, but the bigs down low were getting hacked on both sides!) Props to TRob for not getting hot-tempered and continuing to fight for boards. He had a pretty dismal offensive night by his standards, but he was still a beast on the glass. Ultimately, that was the factor that kept KU in the game.

I wish I could say that this was a classic victory that I will want to watch over and over, but in reality I don't think I could bare to watch it a second time. It was that ugly of a victory. I'm just glad we're advancing. Now beat NC State!

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

And I guess I should add that KU played dismal defense in the first half. In the second half, Purdue got owned!

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Hint: Don't watch the 1st 30 minutes of the game. Just enjoy the last 10 minutes. Or perhaps the last 2 minutes if you're short on time. That should let you forget the bad and put a smile on your face for the good. :>)

And kudos to EJ for more great post-game interviews, both immediately after the game (on court) and sitting down in the news room (or whatever it's called).

142466 10 years, 6 months ago


Defensively, there's not much we could have done against Hummel in the first half. We likely will not face such dare- devil, successful, shooting again in the tourney.

The weakness in our defense was our inability to prevent Purdue's little guys from easily entering the lane with the ball, and then dishing off, while running their half-court offense. Our upcoming opponents will review the tape of last night's game and attempt to copy that.

BronxHawk1 10 years, 6 months ago

Just glad we won Trob has to play alot better

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

Give Purdue credit for TRob's poor offensive night. They played great team defense and kept TRob from getting close-range buckets.

But don't be fooled, KU won in large part because of TRob's rebounding. He couldn't get going offensively, but he still contributed a ton to this victory. 13 boards is above his season average, I do believe.

okiedave 10 years, 6 months ago

This reminds me of the '88 season -- lots of nail biting wins on the road to the Championship.

jackoman 10 years, 6 months ago

Where was Withey our shot blocker. Never saw him the second half and they made alot of layups instead of Three's the second half. played their game. should have got it to our big boys.

katiekelley 10 years, 6 months ago

Sooooooooooooooooooo much excitement over squeaking out a Win over a 10 seed.

Poor taste, act like you've been there.

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 6 months ago

We have been there, way too many times unfortunately, "squeaking" out a win. The seed is becoming irrelevant in today's game to consider it less than celebratin-worthy.

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

This KatieKelley clown is a Mizzou/KSU/perhaps KY Troll...just read her comment history - those that have not been removed that is.

Dr_Roach 10 years, 6 months ago

Why are we in the ONLY region that has to play back to back days (Fri. & Sat.) this week. Everyone else gets a one day break in between games. This could be a huge disadvantage for us. Does anyone know why it was set up like this??

Dr_Roach 10 years, 6 months ago

I hope so, on my ESPN bracket it say's Fri. Sat., but that can't be right.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 6 months ago

Don't trust ESPNorth Carolina, go to you'll see 23rd and 25th.

Steve Kubler 10 years, 6 months ago

Just checked, it is Friday/Sunday. I did notice a couple of brackets just showed games 22-24th.

Jim Pendleton 10 years, 6 months ago

Don't know where you are getting your info, but the games this week are Friday-Sunday not Friday-Saturday. Everyone has a day in between games once a session starts at any given location.

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

Never trust ESPN for scheduling. Their website STILL won't tell me what time Duke plays in the Sweet 16.

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

LOL!!! Where's Jaybate with his PHOF? >Note: Could add "Where's Mizzery on that ESPN schedule, too?"

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

Well, I appreciate your nomination! Mahalo!

WilburNether 10 years, 6 months ago

Wrong. The regionals are all either Thursday/Saturday or Friday/Sunday. There are no back-to-back days in the NCAA Tournament.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 6 months ago

A couple of strategy items that are always debated that came up last night: 1. Why didn't Taylor cut to the corner, toss the ball in the air, and let the clock run out instead of throwing down the dunk with 2.5? 2. But a dunk gives us a guaranteed tie. Trying to run out the clock presents a risk if he gets fouled and has to shoot free throws.

The only right answer is the one that works. And TT's decision last night worked. It might not the next time.

  1. Why didn't we foul immediately when the ball was caught? It's the same scenario we got to OT in the 2008 title game. Hummel catches, we foul, two free throws.
  2. On the other hand, we go to foul Hummel and he of course can then act like he's shooting and could get three free throws.

The only right answer is the one that works. It worked last night not to foul. It might not next time.

I will say Self having Withey guard the inbound play was a terrific call.

But one thing I am now very convinced of: We should no longer recruit pure centers. The pure 5 is a dinosaur in the college game. Withey was rendered useless by Purdue, and before by Missouri. Clearly, we can't play defense in those situations with Withey on the floor if we have a 4 like TRob in game at the same time. At least if you have two 4s in the game, you have more mobility to guard. Withey can't do anything away from the block. I see no downside to focusing on 4s vs. a pure 5 .. playing two 4s. We won a national championship that way. And when you rely on a pure 5 in your starting lineup, you are taken out of your game when that has to change.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

I completely agree on the pure centers. 4s get up and down the court much quicker and are much more versatile. The best part about having a pure center like Withey is his blocking ability. However, like we saw last night, sometimes that is rendered useless by a much smaller/quicker squad.

I'm all for Bill Self focusing on recruiting great outside shooters as opposed to great centers, but Self's strategy has always been to play through the bigs. That's why KU usually loses games like last night...we usually can't keep up if the opposing team is draining threes.

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 6 months ago

I really think TT was caught up in the moment on that last score, more pure reaction rather than analytical thinking.

You're dead on regarding a pure center, Baylor finally figured that out in the Big XII tournament game.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

I understand what you're saying about Withey, but I sure was glad we had him vs. Detroit and I'm sure we'll be glad to have him if we play UNC and Kentucky.

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

Worked OK with Pollard & Cole. Thing is, KU needs pure center plus TWO very good PF's. PLUS a couple decent red team-bench bigs.

Extra 4's can share the floor and rotate in/out as the match up dictates - as they do now. The problem is after Robinson, there's only a two star type player in KY, and a former walk on in Wesley. Next year should provide more depth and power from the 4 spot. I wouldn't stop recruiting athletic pure centers anytime soon.

rwhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Anybody see the picture on Yahoo Sports last night after the game? I think it showed exactly what Robinson had to deal with all night...Hummel had his right forearm and body up against TRob's back, Hummels left hand was holding TRob's elbow, and another Purdue player had his hand on the forearm of TRob's other forearm.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 6 months ago

National Championships are 90% skill, the other half is luck (to modify a Yogi Berra quote).

The huge news is that Kendall Marshall broke his wrist for UNC. This is an incredibly major development.

Unfortunately, we have had paths to the final four become much easier in the past, with less than positive results. But this is a new season.

We play our game, we should be NC St. 4 out of 5 times.

Without Marshall, UNC is probably a weaker version of Baylor.

In the Final Four, we would play a Syracuse team without Melo, or Ohio St. Both games we should be favored in.

Our path to a potential title looks a bit brighter.

We can look ahead. The players can't.

theend 10 years, 6 months ago

Not so fast.....I heard Marshall may have surgery and still play! I would hope he does. I want to beat a team or lose to a team at their full strength.

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

According to ESPN, Marshall had surgery today. However, that doesn't guaranty whether or not he'll play. And if he does, how effective he will be.

But let's worry about N. C. State first. And who knows? N. Carolina still has Ohio to beat.

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

Only problem is, we usually don't play our game in the tournament. We usually get sucked into the other team's game and hope for the best. Love to play UNC, though.

REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

katie k, take your sarcasm home to Columbia or Waco, or whatever sad city you represent. This is a joyful, very thankful board today.

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

Probably Manhattan as Longtimehawk probably lives in her basement...

Orangedog87 10 years, 6 months ago

Here is a link to the King interview of EJ and a good article:

Happy Birthday TRob your going to the Sweet 16

Great game EJ, keep smiling and keep playing

kellerman411 10 years, 6 months ago

God d@mnit!!!!!!!!!! We're scheduled to play at 9:20 p.m. Friday night!!!!! We already played our late game, this is complete garbage.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 6 months ago

But we won that late game...when you are on a streak, respect the streak!

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Ahhh! Just another midafternoon game to watch (in Hawaii). :>)

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

“I thought about it (running it out), but I thought, ‘I’ve got to dunk it,’” Taylor said. “You can go up by three points, and they would have to make a three-pointer with only two seconds left, so they would have to make a long pass. I laid it up, but I did think about it.”

Damn smart thinking. The entire game had risks and at this point, KU needed some extra insurance and with time running out, w t h.

Good job TT and some of the best play of any team in those closing seconds of the game. It just seemed the defense and offense was at it's best those last few seconds.

Dirk Medema 10 years, 6 months ago

Wasn't Travis 0-fer and 0-2 from 3, and not 0-22. He didn't take 22 shots, and did make some in close.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

Yeah, I have no idea what they're talking about there. Releford made some big shots early when they were cheating off of him.

theend 10 years, 6 months ago

It's worthwhile to look at the "in-game" discusion least for about the last two minutes. It's amazing to see all the pessimism and negativity....and at times downright insulting.......comments from people. But the second KU went ahead these same people are singing KU's praises. It's pathetic.

Jaybate and KUFanSince 1975 were always positive.......It's nice to see some of us supporting KU instead of complaining. Maybe if some of you can't get behind our should just keep your comments to yourselves.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 6 months ago

Mine at Halftime was '..Keep the Faith.'

Tony Bandle 10 years, 6 months ago

Did anyone else notice the eerie simularity to the 2008 Davidson Game?? - opponent with last second chance to win - best player and hottest shooter covered - nonentity takes last second shot - shot taken in same direction, from same spot on court with same bounce off the rim

Who says lightning doesn't strike twice in the same spot????!!!!

ccurr 10 years, 6 months ago

Oakville, that's exactly what I was telling my family last night while we were watching. If I remember correctly, that worked out pretty well for us.

flyingfinn 10 years, 6 months ago

Spent the evening here in St. Louis at a sports bar with family and a bunch of KU fans screaming at a big screen tv and now we get to enjoy our tickets for this coming weekend watching the Hawks in person. This is by far not the most talented KU team but a very special team none the less with their grit and determination. Win or lose they will be fun to watch this next weekend and no matter what any one says we have the best coach in the country!!!!

hawkdiek 10 years, 6 months ago

Just glad we got a "grind it out" win. We needed that and it should help in the upcoming games. Don't look past State guys. One game at a time. One game at a time.

Sam Brockert 10 years, 6 months ago

Interesting fact. Bill Self's teams arer 6-2 all time in sweet sixteen games. His record in Elite Eights, however is 1-5...

Seth Peattie 10 years, 6 months ago

we have been there, clown. that's why we're excited - we're going BACK. winning a close game and moving on to the Sw16 is exciting. winning championships is as well!!!

katiekelley a bitter MIZ-OUT fan?

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 6 months ago

Taylor did the right thing by dunking the ball with 2.5 seconds left.

If he had tried to dribble it out and had gotten fouled then he would have had to have made both free throws in order to avoid giving Purdue a shot to win it at the end.

Ben Kane 10 years, 6 months ago

agree, not sure why all the talking heads are giving him hell for it. he made the right play for sure.

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

He did the instinctual thing. He put the ball in the basket. I'll take instincts over strategizing.

KPOP 10 years, 6 months ago

Purdue just provided the blueprint how to beat KU. Unfortunately we were way too inconsistent from the outside to make them pay. TRob got frustrated and sped up and missed too many easy shots. My guess is that KU will work on getting TRob freed up and options when he's double teamed for next weekends games. This is what makes college basketball the best game on TV. RCJH

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 6 months ago

Mizzou provided the blueprint.

Purdue followed it nicely, but came out behind schedule and overbudget on the construction end.

Redlandsjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Don't you mean mizzou provided the blueprint on how to choke away a huge lead and lose to KU?

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh yeah, you're right and Purdue executed perfectly.

142466 10 years, 6 months ago

Yep. NBA poaching will rob us of the pleasure of seeing TRob fully develop his big man skills. If he were to play at KU next yr, by the time of next yr's NCAA tourney, he would have learned to dish the ball off, when double & triple teamed. Danny and he will no doubt be working on that this week. How successful they are on that may well determine how far we'll advance.

I've watched large parts of most of the tourney games already played. Big guys all over the map are making a habit of missing short range shots. The over-all quality of offensive play is seriously lagging behind that of defensive play. NBA poaching has seriously watered-down the level of college play. Most of the poaching is of great college offensive players. Defensive skills can be more successfully taught at the college level. Hustle, intellect, and persistence are major factors in defensive play. In general, it's much more difficult to coach-up a college player's offensive skills. Takes 2 or 3 years.

Since expansion of the field to 64(68), I've always felt that any team (regardless of seeding) that advances to the sweet 16 has had a successful tourney. We've made it.

After watching most of the tourney games and teams on the TV up until now, I have concluded that one more win will put us about where we belong. However, NBA poaching has so decreased the overall calibre of NCAA play that I think we have a chance of winning 2 more games. Beyond that is a stretch, unless there's a rash of upsets in the other regionals. Kentucky looks very strong.

I must admit that Mizzou's defeat greatly surprised me. I'm no Tiger fan. But I thought their style of offensive play would probably net them 3 wins, 4 with a little luck, in the tourney.

kckuguy 10 years, 6 months ago

What a game, Coach Self's defense scheme in the 2nd half held Purdue to 24 points. Hey, does anyone know how many Sweet 16's this will make for KU ?

dhinkansas 10 years, 6 months ago

What a gut check game roller coaster ride of a game that was. Too bad Withey apparently doesn't have the strength to match up with teams like Purdue. Great win for Kansas.

One of the best moments of the weekend though were the Baylor fans chanting "Big 12 Rejects" to Colorado at the end of the game Saturday night.

theend 10 years, 6 months ago

Withey has plenty of strength. I'm tired of hearing this BS. He has had an amazing year. What does it take to prove that to "fans" like you???

Maybe you were not watching the game? It was a match-up problem......nothing to do with Withey's "strength". Purdue plays quick guards....not big guys.

Do some research next time before spewing this crap.

KansasComet 10 years, 6 months ago

Agree with you on the match-up problem.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

Strength had nothing to do with it. It was about speed. At 7 ft tall, he doesnt have much. So Self had to adjust and Withey acted like a true champ. Does anything for the team

ccurr 10 years, 6 months ago

Totally agree Hawk90. If you read Withey's comments after the game, nobody was happier or more excited. He was a class act.

Choctaw 10 years, 6 months ago

Sometimes it isn't that the big eat the small but that the fast eat the slow. Withey will do fine but sometimes you need a different tool for the job. HCBS understands that and used his bench to get the job done. Withey surpassed all our expectations this year and strength was not the problem. He will be our anchor in the middle the rest of the way and next year so Go Withey!

Steve Gantz 10 years, 6 months ago

The only enjoyable moment of that game was the last 15 seconds. I'll take it, but it was no fun to watch, not in the least. Reminded me of Davidson in 08. Usually when KU wins to get to the Final Four, I act the fool, jumping and yelling as my family watches me with bemused looks. That night, very little emotion except relief. Same thing last night.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

If you couldn't get excited about that win (or Davidson) as a fan, then you're doing it wrong.

Steve Gantz 10 years, 6 months ago

Ha, maybe you're right! But 39 minutes and 45 seconds of frustration is hard to snap out of after we finally overcome them.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

"I told them, 'Look, you have to let everything go. Don't worry about the rebounds; I'll take care of that part. If I can't score, I still (have) the rebounding part of my game that I could get out there. I just told my guards to just go out there and play, don't worry about the rebounding, and I'll get it." -Thomas Robinson

The key to the game, in my opinion.

machinegun 10 years, 6 months ago

My heart can't take much more of this! Great game Elijah and well done to the rest of the team! The Hawks never gave up, continued to work together, and that total team effort produced another huge win for a program that is respected across the country! Coach Self is a genius!

Scott Bonnet 10 years, 6 months ago

Gotta make freethrows. Almost cost us a game. If we made freethrows, this could have been a lot more comfortable.

WisconsinJayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Like most of us, I was pretty worried during the lat 5 minutes of this game. But when I saw TRob at the free throw line, KU down at the time and Robinson struggling at the line and from the field, SMILE before shooting the FT, I had hope that this team was going to keep its compsure and win despite it all. This team knows it can overcome anything by keeping its head when other teams might lose theirs.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

KU stole that game last night from Purdue. I'm glad KU won but they honestly did not deserve to win that game last night. I'm glad karma decided to smile on KU last night to make up for the last couple of seasons.

theend 10 years, 6 months ago

KU didn't steal anything and certainly did deserve to win. It's not all about just offense and scoring points. It's also about toughness and defense, whick KU had plenty of.

You are a very passive-agressive person with these comments. In fact......I would not be surprised if you're anything but a KU fan.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

That's nonsense. We won the game with defense. There was no luck involved. We definitely deserved it, although Purdue deserves a lot of credit too.

741hawk 10 years, 6 months ago

As I said with 5 min. remaining . . . "It's a 40-minute game."

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

March again, when Bill gets outcoached. Last night was not exception. Purdue regularly ran plays for easy baskets. Luckily, we had some great players who made plays, but ran plays? Not so much. They picked the guy on our team they thought they had to stop, Thomas, and put together a defense to stop him. They had one guy on their team who could beat us. Did we figure out how to stop him? Not til almost too late--26 pts. Easy call on who did the better coaching job last night. Bill's lucky he had some great players make some great plays and escaped with a win. His hair looked great though--I like the new color.

theend 10 years, 6 months ago

Dumb comments......Bill got outcoached? Hmmmmmm.....did you actually look at the final score, moron? If not.....let me clue you in......KU won the game.

I get so sick of stupid posts like this. Bill Self is a great coach. Idiots like you expect 100% perfection and cry like little girls when KU doesn't win by 50 points.

Do you recall 2008? I guess Bill Self was "outcoached" that year as well?

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

So the winner of the game does the better coaching job, right? Do you recall 05, 06, 07, 10 & 11? Did you see the final scores in those losses? If not, let me clue you in. Bill lost to much lower seeded teams (almost again last night).

741hawk 10 years, 6 months ago

You are a Kensucky fan or a Slaver, right?

Bill alternated man-to-man and triangle & three in the second half depending on Purdue's line-up. He was very pro-active.

Realized early that Jeff and T-Rob could not effectively play together on defense. Went with T-Rob (unless he was to get into foul trouble).

Is that enough for you? If it's not, just check Bill's record at Kansas. It's unmatched in college basketball in the last five years.

Now, having read this, go away.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

What game where you watching? T tob missed shots he has made all year. TT found himself in foul trouble. We shut them down second half. Our defense won the game which is a product of coaching.

Brak 10 years, 6 months ago

Wow I guess all the smog and smug out in LA have polluted this guys head. I mean when someone was criticizing HCBS(KULA and him are on a 1st name basis) just the other day this was his suggestion, "Lol, great ideas! You should send an email to Bill. I bet he would change his whole coaching philosophy if he got a heads up from you." Isn't it ironic, don't ya think?

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

What's with all the toupee talk??? I have 72"HD and I just don't see it. Whatever. Either he has one or he doesn't.

Where's your photo KULA? Would I mistake you for Fabio? Were you a D1 point guard too? Or does your strength lie in posting juvenile Mean Boy comments?

Matt Painter did an excellent coaching job. It was a classic chess match. Bill won. Please don't let his victory diminish you in any way.

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

It's not a toupee, it's an obvious dye job.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 6 months ago

You want an obvious dye job??..check out Coach K!!!!!

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

lol, I'll agree with that--he's starting to look like Dracula

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

Bill (or should I reverently say HCBS?) goes into a game as a 2 seed with a team full of 4 and 5 star recruits, Player of the Year, All American guard, conference Defensive Player of the Year, against a 10 seed with one great player, and barely escapes by the skin of his teeth with a win because of a couple great plays down the stretch. Win or lose, I say he got outcoached. If we don't get those great plays down the stretch and lose, do you still say he did the better coaching job? If he deserves Coach of the Year for winning the conference with this group of 4 & 5 stars, he deserves the responsibility if we lose to a much lower seed.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

Get over the seed thing. Seeds are irrelevant in this madness. Two 15 seeds beat 2 seeds. A thirteen and a ten are in the sweet 16. Last year a 3 seed won it all. Purdue has alot of 4 stars two. Outside of our 5, we are shallow. We are hardly a team full of 4 and 5 stars.

lookerforoil 10 years, 6 months ago

After 3 early exits from the tourney, usually on the second game of the weekend, Bill was going to do research on how to change things so KU would play well in the second game of the weekend. It appears those changes, if any, did not work. However we were able to pull it out in the last 30 seconds.

I am curious what those changes are and if they may work for the second game for next weekend?

theend 10 years, 6 months ago

More dumb comments forom morons that think Bill Self is such an awful coach. Well, idiot.....guess what? He's a great coach.

It cracks me up.....all you hateful people that get upset when KU doesn't blow out the other team.

You have no idea how hard it is to win in March. None. You're just some loser that looks at the TV and thinks KU should win every game by 100 points.

Get off this's for KU fans. Not you. And take KULA and texaskawk10 with you.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago


Way to fight the good fight, theend.

I get tired of the Bill Self hate on these boards too. He misses out on a couple highly-ranked recruits, so everyone's answer is to fire him. He lost early in the tourney a few times, so everyone's answer is to fire him. Yet he continues to bring great players to Kansas (who cares about one-and-dones???) and continues to win 84% of the time (not to mention winning a NC and 8-straight Big 12 titles).

You can't make everyone happy. Bill Self is clearly one of the greatest coaches in college bball today. If you can't recognize that you obviously don't know what it takes to win and lead a successful program like KU. It's okay to criticize Bill Self, but when your answer to everything he does is "fire him" you need to start rooting for another school. Bill Self is here to stay!

flyingfinn 10 years, 6 months ago

Totally agree. The Self haters must have missed all of the adjustments made in the second have that countered all of Painter's moves plus working through starters foul problems with a very thin bench. Hey lookerfoil look at your own life and see if you have a thousandth of successes that Coach Self has had in his life.

lookerforoil 10 years, 6 months ago

OK, so now I get it. IF you question ANYTHING, you are now automatically labeled a "hater". If by pointing out facts that it appears KU often plays poorly in the second game of the NCAA tourney weekend is hateful, then how can it be improved upon. Many of us love and respect Bill Self tremendously but that does not mean some things can not be improved upon. How can we improve our play in the second game in the NCAA's weekend. Bill told us all after last years loss that he wanted to improve play in the second game. What did he learn and how will it help?

RJ King 10 years, 6 months ago

What he learned is how to get his players to tough it out in the face of adversity (eight treys, TRobb getting smothered, shots not falling...). IT WORKED. WE WON. WE IMPROVED.

We were ranked 13th preseason. That was before losing 3 recruits. Then we'd have been around #20. We just made the Top 16. From here on, we're playing with house money.

Where exactly, do you see a lack of improvement?

JayHawkFanToo 10 years, 6 months ago

Your words: 'If by pointing out facts that it appears KU often plays poorly in the second game of the NCAA tourney weekend is hateful, then how can it be improved upon."

Now, what exactly do you consider often? according to the dictionary:

Often: Many times; frequently. Often: Frequently or repeatedly. Often: frequently or in great quantities; a great deal, much.

Would you be surprised that in the last 9 years under HC Self KU has not gone past the first weekend only 3 times? Would you consider 3 out of 9 times, often? I would not, particularly when you consider that there are also 3 Elite 8s, 2 Sweet 16s (current one still going) and 1 National Championship. I believe most Division I schools would kill for a similar record. So, before you spew non-sense, you should at least check your facts, so you don't look like a m0r0n.

Robert Murphy 10 years, 6 months ago

You are truly the livingend. Everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is an idiot and hateful, oh and dumb too. We only seek your opinion which is constructive and all understanding. Please write often.

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

We are well aware that KU, under Self, has had 3 early exits from the Big Dance. But the rest of your analysis leaves one to doubt your overall message. I'm as guilty as anyone on this board of suggesting what the Jayhawks need to do to win games. If we're right, it makes us look good to our fellow posters. If we're wrong? Well, it doesn't really matter.

As for what changes HCBS made and how he prepared the Jayhawks for Purdue, were you sitting in the locker room or attending KU's practices during the 40 or so hours preceding the Purdue game? Did Self have a crystal ball telling him what Purdue was going to do? A coach can plan one thing, but so can the opposing coach. It's like a chess match: Move, counter move. If you know what your adversary usually does, you plan ahead to overcome any advantages he/she may have. It's a gimme that everyone knows KU has gone through TRob all year. You seem to assume that KU would drop what has worked successfully this season, and completely revamp the offense. Really? Change your entire teams gameplan in 40 hours? What new weapons could Coach Self have drawn out of his hat to surprise Purdue?

Tell us, what would you have changed that you're so certain would have worked miracles and freed up the offense? I give Purdue credit for almost pulling off the upset. I give credit to HCBS, and the Jayhawks, for not letting it happen.

What is HCBS's overall W/L %? It's over 80%! That's probable in the top 1% of all time coaches. Maybe even higher. The average coach is lucky to win 65%. If they don't, they're on the coaching carousel. Under Self, KU has won 8 straight conference championships, in a BCS conference! How many coaches can say they've even won one? Sure, he's coaching at Kansas. But just like TRob, that means he has a bigger target on his back. He's the man opposing teams want to step on and contain, if it's possible. So, give the man his dues.

If you can't, or won't, recognize a win for what it is, don't make accusations you can't back up with logic and common sense.

MizzouBest 10 years, 6 months ago

Well done, Kansas. A tough, gritty effort. Proves defense is just as importnat as offense.

I ,too, can't quite understand the anger and blame on this board toward Bill Self. Do you haters understand that you won the game??????

Well.....I would give anything to have Bill Self as MU's coach. Careful .....don't take him for granted. He is a great coach.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 6 months ago

I agree with MizzouBest. HCBS is a great coach. It's very hard to type Mizzou, Best and Right in the same sentence. Maybe the fact that my wife has her Master's from MethZoo makes me better understand them. She doesn't read this board.

Jim Dickerson 10 years, 6 months ago

As a former Missouri resident, I appreciate your positive comments. It shows that the state really does have many fine people contrary to what many on this board seem to think. However, do not even think of taking coach Self away from us. That would be grounds for resurrecting a real border war, with guns and knives and lots of bloodshed.(kidding of course) Sorry to see Mizzou leaving the big 12 and I do wish them good luck in the SEC.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago


One major reason KU is in and MU is out is that KU had the sense to hire Bill Self. KU did not pick a Quin Snyder instead of Bill Self.

KU has considerable experience picking exceptional coaches. KU has now had at least four all time great coaches in Allen, Brown, Williams, and Self. MU has yet to have an all-time great coach. Norm Stewart was a solid second tier coach though, even though you dumped on him after he left.

If you are indeed serious about wanting to talk about basketball coaches, I recommend you begin by asking us how we do it again, and again?

Ask us how we find these marvelous men, who sustain us at such phenomenal levels of excellence for such incredible lengths of time?

Ask us how we found a coach that can win 8 straight conference titles in a conference that MU has rarely won one conference title in a row?

Don't betray indolence by pretending to advise us on a subject with which a Fizzourian could not possibly have insight into.

Instead, say, "Pretty please, KU, we at MU can't find our asses with both hands, when it comes to finding basketball coaches. How do you do it? How ever do you do it?"

And once you ask that, then listen very closely to what we say, because we have walked the talk on hiring great coaches, almost as many times as MU has hired failures.

Next, very politely say, "Look, we jumped to the SEC for some more short term change, hoping that we might have a better chance at winning some basketball games in a weaker basketball conference than the Big 12. We know we won't be able to compete a lick in the SEC in football, but we think we can compete better in basketball there. So: do you KU guys think we should keep Frank Haith, if he gets punished for the reputed improprieties down at Miami, or should we hire a KU guy to clean up MU and finally do it the right way?"

Ask us these kinds of serious questions and then we will take you seriously.

Until then, we just have to think, well, not only do MissouriOut not get it, MissouriOut doesn't even know he/she doesn't get it.


Rock Chalk!

Justin Lindsley 10 years, 6 months ago

I wouldn't trade Self for anyone in the country. You guys are nuts!!! Self is a genius. He molds players better than anyone else in the country. He is not perfect, but about as close as you will find in the coaching ranks. Think about it. 8 Big 12 titles in a row. Who does that? NO ONE!! Give him some credit. A coach can't help on D. He can only teach his players how its done. It is then their responsibility to get it done! Thanks Coach Self!!

corvuscorax 10 years, 6 months ago

as my ole Uncle Relible used to say, if yer gonna bring a gun to a knife fight, don't run outta ammo with 2:02 left on the clock.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

"Forensics Lite: KU vs. Purdue"

First, Painter completely fooled me. He did what every other coach has been suckered into trying to do this season--double and triple team Thomas. Dumb! As a result, Painter, the supposed brilliant coach, wasted a great first half performance by Hummel, and, like just an average coach being sucked in by Self Ball, went in only six or so up at half time.

Think about that. Purdue shot 71% from trey (on quite a few attempts) the first half and only went in six or so up, or was it a bit more? Can't recall right now. From that moment, it was a foregone conclusion that KU ought to win the game, when Purdue turned into an ice berg the second half, and KU merely shot a decent percentage inside and out.

But the second half was not a foregone conclusion, because our guys were basically in shell shock from the bruiser ball and Self, basically, had no answers for either Purdue's tricky defense, or Purdue's gimmick offense.

The phenomenal thing about last night's game from a coaching stand point was watching two of the games brightest mid career coaches both lose much of their coaching prowess in the foundry heat of Big Ten Bruiser Ball that Painter elected to drag Purdue and KU into.

Hell, the players might as well have been wearing hard hats and carrying lunch pales, and swinging ten pound hammers on glowing ingots, because that was the kind of play that was going on.

Big Ten basketball is still basically foreign to those that have not played against it week in and week out. It is not thug ball, per se, rather it is football on wood. Everyone blocks. Every one puts the wood on someone. No one is the least bit afraid of a guy with big muscles, like Thomas Robinson. Because no one cares about big muscles. They care about getting down in a line backers stance, leaning against their man, driving blocking him, shedding him and others with a low center of gravity and delivering a blow on anyone that comes near them.

And if you think you get to dunk on some one just because you have big muscles, like Thomas Robinson does, well, then you are a schmuck, because they are game for a fight and they are going to put you down. Oh, and if you are the springy type that likes to glide through the air, like Tyshawn, get ready, because they are going to break your !@#$%ing wings and introduce you to the shellac, pal.

The Big Tenners aren't cheap shots like Coach Consonants teaches Dukies to be. They are cross body blockers among guys having a rough house game after a day at the foundary. And if you don't think there are foundaries in Indiana, take a frigging drive through Gary. And it doesn't matter that most of the foundaries have closed. Old habits die hard.

corvuscorax 10 years, 6 months ago

"football on wood"....suggest for PHOF


jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

So: Bill Self, who has been through the Big Ten wars many times as an Illini coach, and who has seen his KU teams beaten to bloody pulps by Ratso Izzo's boys a few times, should have been prepared. But he wasn't. And his team surely wasn't.

Why wasn't he? Well, it was probably, because he knew his team wasn't ready for what it was going to see and because he knew he wasn't sure what the heck to do about Painter's wacky offense.

Let's clear things up. Painter is no genius. He's just a guy who realized he's never going to have as much talent as some of the other Big Ten programs, so he emphasizes muscle defense (the defense du jour of the Big Ten) and an off-the-beaten path offense built on on-ball improvisations in which off ball players appear to have some sort of set of programming rules that they follow when the ball nears them on the dribble. This offense is perfectly effective, and I suspect Self will be installing bits of it next season (if he and Joe can ever figure it out), but its main strength is that you don't see it often enough to devote the time necessary to learn to beat it systematically.

The same was true of the Princeton 5-10 years ago. Self struggled mightily against the Princeton in his early years at Kansas, but hated the idea of it, and seemed to keep hoping it would go away like a bad dream, and so didn't really sit down and figure out systematically how to beat the Princetion until a couple years ago. Now, every time KU plays a Princeton, KU wins methodically and comfortably.

Self is human. If something is new to him, and he hasn't got a handle on it, or if he doesn't see it often enough to feel he has to figure out how to beat it, he struggles just as much as the next schmuck with these gimmick offenses.

Self frankly had no clue how to stop the Purdue offense at the beginning of the game, and contrary to the spin put out, he had no clue how to stop it at the end either.

Bill Self and KU did not stop the Purdue offense the second half. Purdue just shot back to its average, which was not that good all season long.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Next, really Bill Self had no way of preparing his team for what real Big Ten ball was like, other than the baptism of fire that they got. His players naively thought they knew what it was like, because they had played and beaten Ohio State in AFH in pre conference. But as Bill Self undoubtedly knew, Ohio State hardly even showed up for that game. They just had a work out. It was pre-season in a crib where they knew they were not going to be allowed to play Big Ten ball, so they put away all the football equipment, had a fun afternoon, and went on their merry way. Thad Matta said as much afterwards. And he wasn't lying. So: KU's players, who've had a few knock down, drag out battles this season with the likes of KSU, thought between KSU and Ohio State, they had already earned their B.A.'s in Bang Ball. Wrong!

The problem with KSU is they don't have the bruisers to play it the Big Ten way. They would like to. Some day they may. But what you saw on Purdue was the kind of players it takes. And, remember, they were second tier bang ballers in the Big Ten this season. They were not really up in the same USDA approved butcher baller prime grade that Michigan State and Wisconsin are in.

For those shocked and appalled at the way Purdue played, understand this: that was just a regular performance for Purdue, except for Hummel's crazy hot shooting the first half. And again: Purdue is usually a bit softer than Wisconsin and Michigan State.

Without putting too fine of a point on it, by the end of the game, Jeff Withey had to be hidden on the sidelines, because he was too mentally broken to fix, and Thomas Robinson finished the game like a whipped puppy that Self had to keep playing. Both KU's bigs were feminized by their first taste of real Big Ten Bang Ball. And even I thought that Superman was ready for it. Wrong.

And I'm not exaggerating a bit. Before Self finally pulled Withey, he was literally coming down the court on offense as slowly as he could, because he didn't want any more of the pain they were dishing out down there. And Thomas Robinson literally looked like a punchy fighter in the late rounds for the last ten minutes of the game. They were just shoving Superman all over the place. It looked like he had been clocked by Kryptonite for most of the game.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

But you know what? That is what happens the first time you play XTReme Muscle Ball Big Ten style in your career, as was the case for most, if not all of our players. Ask Cole Aldrich about his first taste of it against MSU. Tyshawn probably saw it his freshman ans sophomore years against MSU, but he was very young then and he was very averse to contact then, and so he really never got in and mixed it up, as I recall.

Before Tyshawn had become the great player he has become this season, he used to fade away on all his drives, even against non muscle baller schools. Yesterday against Purdue, he had to go into the thick of it. And he did, proving he is ready for the NBA in my book, because they will do worse to him there. They got the better of him most of the game, of course, but he stuck his face in there and he kept coming like the champion he is, and at the end he got even with them, and then beat them. And it was sweeeeeeeet to see!!!!!!!!

And that is the most important thing: KU withered, KU got punchy, KU really got no help from their coach, but the Fighting 332nd Lawrence Airmen, shell shocked or not, found a way to get it done.

And they didn't just find away to get it done the last five minutes, when Elijah Johnson went monster and single handedly seemed to will a win.

Thomas walking around like a punching bag, still trying to keep coming, Tyshawn, completely shackled, rattled and rolled, still trying to keep coming. Withey until he broke. Conner dogged to the end. Kevin Young an absolutely heroic performance that no one will remember, because Elijah went crazy large, and started running around the battle field like some possessed Congressional Medal of Honor winner saving his entire unit with heroism above and beyond the call of duty. He practically put the entire team on his back and carried them alone for two mintues at least, to say nothing of the other three minutes where he was rallying them back to action.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

And let me insert here Travis Releford, too. Travis Releford, despite getting fouled up, despite struggling a huge amount with bang ball, despite taking a shot to the head that basically seemed a concussion and maybe some bone cracks, that Travis Releford walked to a huddle once when he was really little more than Rocky Balboa shouting, "Cut me Nick, cut me," and looked into Self's face, saw his coach size him up and say, "You can take it, get back out there," that Travis Releford went out wobbly and kept fighting for all he was worth. Travis Releford was dizzy, he had taken punishment like he had never taken, and yet stumble and wobble as he did out on the floor there was a very loud slapping sound between those incredibly athletic thighs of his and that sound was a pair.

Travis Releford was man enough, like Conner Teahan, to keep squeezing them off, but like Conner Teahan, only when he was wide open. Travis clanked a few, but he got a very, very, very important basket late in the second half when the team was at its wobbliest.

Travis Releford manned up, just like the rest of the team. He just had the problem that anyone has when their brain gets rocked. You're just not as good as you could be.

Think about Travis Releford. The guy is running around on recovering ankle, a recovering knee, and then he gets his brain meat rocked, and still he keeps coming.

God, this team exhibits heroism like its going out of style some times.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

No one, and I repeat, no one on KU has anything to hang their heads about after the physical pounding they took. Some can keep doing their jobs. Some cannot. That is the way of these games. The point is that at the end of the battle, when the smoke cleared, the Fighting 332rd, the Lawrence Airmen, the Kansas Jayhawks, were got the W.

Now, in closing, I have to reitierate: Coach Self has to know that what he did in the way of adjustments the second half didn't do squat to change the outcome of the game. And that's okay. Because sometimes in the course of a military campaign, the grunts have to save the C.O., instead of him always having to save them. Self got his lucky coaching break for the 2011-2012 March Madness. He sure as hell deserved a break to after all the brilliant coaching he has done all season long. He didn't coach a bad game at all. If he had, they would surely have lost. He just didn't have anything in his magic bag of tricks to save the day against Purdue. Playing some triangle and two, whatever it was, didn't slow down Purdue even a little. Changing guys on Robbie Hummel didn't do squat. Purdue was getting open looks to the last buzzer, when they got at least a passable hail mary at the buzzer even.

This game was won by the will and courage and never say die attitude of the grunts in the trenches, and in particular one grunt--Elijah Johnson.

KGphoto 10 years, 6 months ago

Pretty good. But did you see Robinson yank the huddle back together with 23.3 to go and spit fire at them to get them going? That guy didn't get punchy. He fought his tail off through all the trash and posted another double double.

It was a quiet one amidst the Hummel barrage, but he also blocked a key shot late in the game and is one big reason that Hummel didn't have any mustard on that last tre. Hummel was done. He was easily the most beat up and tired guy on the court after that game, and Mr. Zero was a big reason why.

HawksWin 10 years, 6 months ago

Jaybate, Well that was mouthful but just enough to chew and swallow. Thanks for the Big Ten bang game style which helped me to understand my trepidation about Izzo.

I concur 100% with your last sentence. Our players have to find ways to overcome the unknowns such as Purdue - on their own. No matter how good Self or any coach is, there are things a player has to discover and learn from his own trials and tribulations. You explained it well. Over coaching will not help players to figure out on their own. You know, like over protective mother hen doesn't usually make a man out of boy. He grows up afraid to discover and fly. Lack of depth and talent this year forced our players to figure out themselves. Each player has to discover his own confidence and the will to win - within himself. They now have that mental game + skills + talent + extreme conditioning. FF & NC? Lastly, I think Self learned a lot about himself and his players this year, more than ever. He is learning to trust them - he had to and may be now he wants to? Once players know they have the coach's trust, that becomes fuel to his mental game! I'm not so sure if Self gave his trust to Taylor until this year. Remember, Taylor has won 4 state championships in high school. He's got a different mental game that the most. Had Self gave Taylor "his team" that he wanted, this year's Taylor may have shown up much earlier. Just a thought. Indeed, we will see a new and improved Self next year. But for now, I hope his bag is full of good tricks against Roy, Izzo and/or Cali the next few weeks. Self will win it!!!!

caddie733 10 years, 6 months ago

Gutsy win for sure. Hate to be critical of a player, especially one that hustles and plays hard, but Teahan needs to find his shot. This team needs 2 of the following 3 guys to hit threes consistenly: EJ, Releford, Teahan. Teams will continue to give up the three and sag down on T-Rob. I understand Teahan helped win the Mizzou game in AFH, but how many times has he not come through for a "sharpshooter"? I am critical of Teahan because this is supposed to be his role, come in and hit threes. The reason it is alarming is that he is WIDE open and still misses. And last night, he airballed one and hit the side of the backboard with another. I feel like Teahan is a great shooter in warm-ups but not a great in-game shooter, there is a huge difference. He does not add too much more if he is not hitting shots. The way Tharpe was shooting, his shots actually look much better. But I guess it says a lot about Tharpe's turnovers and defense if Self is still willing to go with Teahan over Tharpe.

Even with that little criticism, I love this team for their heart. I shake my head all the time wondering how KU wins these games with Teahan being their 6th man (I'm not trying to criticize him more, but let's be honest, nobody thought this team would be this good with Teahan playing almost 30 minutes a game). I hope Teahan finds his shot, KU desperately needs it to free up T-Rob.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

I would note again for the record that Teahan did hit two big threes in this game.

KansasComet 10 years, 6 months ago

I enjoyed reading your post. I believe those two shots from Teahan that you mentioned came in the 2nd half. He did hit two 3 pointers in the first half. He is doing the best that he can. Tharpe hit a much needed 3 pointer as well. I look forward to watching him develop next year.

142466 10 years, 6 months ago

Agreed, regarding Teahan. I think a big reason for his mediocre tri-fecta results is that he never had enough playing time over his career to become comfortable and confident. However, he never deserved to get more playing time, because his other skills are lacking.

What if Teahan had already fired up all the game-time 3 point attempts that Boche (sic), the Dakota bomber, had fired up by the time his senior year NCAA tourney was underway? Teahan would be much more proficient.

corvuscorax 10 years, 6 months ago

Confidence. Some house money. Put on shoes. RCJH

Bear86 10 years, 6 months ago

HCBS is a great coach but he got schooled by Purdue's coach yesterday. You can thank EJ for bailing him out. HCBS better get this team better prepared for next round's match up. Every team is going to pack it in and make KU beat them from the perimeter which we all know is a big question mark.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Painter didn't school him. Painter blew a 71% first half trey shooting performance and managed only a 6 point half time lead.

Painter's biggest mistake was to try to defend Thomas the way everyone else has tried to defend him: double and triple teaming him. When are these opposing coaches going to learn. Let Thomas have 15-20 jump shots. Stay in front of him and force him to shoot J's. Shut down the other four. That's the way to beat KU. I think Roy is smart enough to do that. If he's not, then Ratso Izzo and Calipari are. Always guard Thomas one up. Never front him. Get him as many touches as possible. He can't beat you with the J, if you've got a team that can score inside and out.

Painter and Self both saw the game get so rough that neither of them could do anything substantial in the way of strategy to alter the outcome.

It came down to the guts of the players and who made the last big play.

Could have gone either way.

But it went our way and that's how it is in a championship season. Ask the '08 team about Davidson.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 6 months ago

Hey all you knuckleheads critizing Coach Self...67 coaches ultimately get "out-coached" at some point in the NCAA Tournament every year.

This tourney is one of the few things left in the world whose results are black and or board the bus!!!!

Only five legit players on this team, no Mac All-Americans, a bench with two walk-ons, a transfer, a cousin and a freshman..absolutely no chance they can go all the way.

That's why it just might happen!!!!

YuCoJayHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Did anyone else catch the two uncalled "goaltendings"? I know the second one was discussed by the announcers who said that Withey grabbed the net while a shot was in the air. Maybe so, but earlier in the game, Trob (I think) got an offensive rebound and on the putback, a Purdue player jumped up and grabbed the rim and pulled it down as the shot hit the backboard and came down toward the other side of the rim. I thought THAT play was blatant goaltending, but no one mentioned a thing about it....

KansasComet 10 years, 6 months ago

I saw them both, and they never brought up the first one.

YuCoJayHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

I guess it would officially be called basket interference... Also didn't it seem that they were calling just as many ticky tack fouls as missing blatant thug fouls. And it seemed to go both ways....

KPOP 10 years, 6 months ago

anybody notice HCBS halftime interview where his eyes were like deer in the headlights panicked. He did not look cool, calm or collected. He looked scared to death. I think the guys sense this panic and start the game 0 for 7 and then spend the rest of the game trying to recover.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

I saw him look frustrated with the team. He didn't look panic to me.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

I don't think Bill Self produced any of his usual rabbit out of the hat genius, but this deer caught in the headlights stuff is ludicrous.

Bill Self is a basketball genius. Period.

Matt Painter said it: the guy doesn't even have a Mickey D on his squad and he like 29-7 and in the Sweet 16 and won his 8th title.

And by the way, KU won the game.

Are you flipping bonkers, or what?

KULA 10 years, 6 months ago

+1 KPOP. Bill looked scared before the game started and he looked scared on the bench in the first half. Several of my friends commented on the same thing as we watched the game.

And of course Painter's gonna praise him. When has a coach ever had anything but praise for his opponent in an interview?

Maybe no McD's, but only 4 and 5 stars starting, Player of the Year, All American guard and Conference Defensive Player of the Year. Don't know how he accomplished anything with that squad--must be a genius.

If he deserves Coach of the Year, then he deserves the flak if they get upset by a much lower seed.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh look, it's KULA being overly critical of Bill Self again.

Bill Self never looked scared. I was scared, but he wasn't. He's been coaching for a long, long time. I don't think many things on the bball court scare him nowadays. He definitely looked frustrated at half time though.

You've criticized his recruiting many a time, yet now you say that the 4 and 5 star players he's got are good enough to win. So good that Bill Self barely needs to coach them to win. So which is it, are these players good enough or do you need top 50 ranked recruits to win it all?

Self does deserve Coach of the Year (in my completely biased opinion), and yes if KU loses to an incredibly low seed he should take some flak for that. But it's not 100% on Bill Self, especially in a "win or go home" tourney. Upsets happen to even the best teams. Bill Self would even say that winning COY wouldn't be possible without his great players and obviously if KU loses the players would take some of that flak too. So the players are partially responsible for both of those things. Don't put it all on Bill Self, the winning-est coach in college bball since he came to Kansas. If KU loses, the whole team loses, not just Bill Self.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago


Not sure whether your post is aimed at me, or KULA, but I've never criticized Self's recruiting. I've said repeatedly that other school's checkbook recruiting, plus the Chancellor, and AD administrators failure to keep close enough tabs on things to prevent scandals outside the basketball program have made it extremely difficult for Self to recruit. I've said it takes a super recruiter like Self to rise above the obstacles to recruit that he has faced for 3-4 seasons now. I stand by that.

HawkKlaw 10 years, 6 months ago

Huh? Nope, that was directed at KULA. I happen to agree with you.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

For those struggling with the chronic Conner Teahan eye test, Conner Teahan "stole" another 31 minutes and KU won. :-)

Let me repeat that.

In another huge game, Conner Teahan, despite having a horrid shooting night, played 31 minutes of glue without a single turnover amidst some of the toughest brawl ball I've witnessed for awhile, and, dang, he's stealing minutes. :-)

Its really kind of magical isn't it? Conner Teahan averages 21 minutes a game, or slightly more, over 35 games, for a team that won a conference title, was a 2 seed, and and is now in the sweet 16, and just played 31 minutes in a winning effort and Conner Teahan is "stealing" minutes.

Quick, where's the nearest Lens Crafters!!!! :-)

Ethan Berger 10 years, 6 months ago

What I enjoyed from yesterdays game was the chest match. A lot of critics of Bill Self today, but we missed a whole lot of open shots, took dumb shots, and played dumb defense. But this team didn't give up, instead of making a huge run, they just chipped away. Forget that Purdue was a 10 seed, in March Madness we are seeing that seeds don't matter as much any more. Robie hit some great contested shots. Painter with the sponge zone was a great idea. Fortunate the only rely on 3 team left is Florida and we won't see them unless we both make it to the title game.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

I too enjoyed watching the two coaches move their pawns, rooks, bishops, etc, over each other's chests. :-)

Just kidding. You make a solid point.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

Bill Self didn't get out coached... Hummel was shooting better than Jesus that first half. His adjustments during the 2nd half on defense STILL has Purdue confused (Reading the post-game interviews, they appeared to still not be sure what set we were running).

But im not totally satisfied with the win... We were lucky to get out of there with a W. I give most of the credit to Bill Self and EJ.

I'm sure I'll get some flack here for slightly criticizing Withey, a fan favorite... But he needs to get more aggressive on the offensive side of the ball. I'm not really including last nights game since he didn't get much play time. He is a great defensive player, and his blocking ability has been consistent. But his play hasnt been nearly as good as it was for the Baylor, KSU and OSU games immediately after the loss in Columbia (averaged like 20 points a game, 10 rebounds and tied his season high of 9 blocks) If the team has to poke him in the chest a few more times, so be it. I'm aware of his minor injury against Mizzou.

Teahan needs to work on his shot also, as 2-7 shooting the three doesn't justify playing him considering his below average ability to defend.

Like some parents, I criticize the hawks because I like... No, love.... them. I have high expectations for bc I want them to succeed and be happy. Im not one to wear Crimson and blue glasses. We've got to play our best if we hope to make it past the Sweet 16... and I'm not sure I can say that's what I saw last night. That all said, of course I'm glad we won... Live to fight another day, no?

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

One more thought regarding Withey getting aggressive on offense. He's our best free throw shooter, and we need to get him to the line as much as possible.

hawk_of_ages 10 years, 6 months ago

Considering that Teahan played 30 mins. in a game that we won on the back of our defense, maybe he's not as bad a defender as you think.

Jayhawklegacy 10 years, 6 months ago

Teahan is not a bad player. He could of made a couple of extra passes from the 3 line in this game though. I feel comfortable giving some extra play time to Young after the heart he showed us in this one.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

I agree with you about Young. He has proven himself a very capable bench player. Even though he didn't have any buckets last night, he had 7 rebounds and a block. Pretty darn good, and possibly a game changer last night.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 6 months ago

Good point. I echo jayhawklegacy when I say, he isn't a bad player. Any kid who gives 5 years to the hawks deserves a lot of credit, and respect.

Jayhawklegacy 10 years, 6 months ago

How can you say that Painter outcoached Self? Purdue was the team that looked like " deer in headlights" in their final two possessions. If they would of ran offense, instead of holding the ball until a couple of seconds left in the shot clock, they could of had us. How do you coach a guy that is shooting lights out the first half ? Instead of just simply saying give him the ball! I agree with Jaybates comment about Releford being one tough ** ! He gets the Jerod Haas award this season.

HiloHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Thanks for reminding me of one of my favorite-all-time players! And Releford is so much one of my favorite current players that I even cheer for Alabama!

Alohahawk 10 years, 6 months ago

<p> has just released a story on D. J. Cooper, junior from Ohio. Seems that Baylor/Drew (also Bruce Pearl of Tennessee fame) contacted Cooper after he was named Freshman of the Year in his conference, attempting to sway him into transfering. That is an NCAA violation, and could get Baylor into trouble. If true, is anyone surprised?

REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Painter did a fine job of coaching, and was able to ride his star player's 22 first half points to a six pt. lead at the break. But did he outcoach Self? When you scratch the skin from your pate and stare at the wall for several minutes, trying to frame an educated answer to that question, shelve the mental turmoil in order to take a look at the final score. If Painter won the blue ribbon for last night's contest, then the award is designed for hapless losers. Purdue cast its lot with swarming Thomas Robinson, all the while riding the great good fortune of Hummel's first half shooting. After halftime adjustments, Hummel's shooting waned and T-Rob achieved another double double. Big 10 bruiser ball eventually gave way to some terrific Jayhawk guardplay when the Boilermakers ran out of gas. Bill Self and his group of 8 current and former bench players, plus 4-year starter Ty Taylor, chalked up a determined grind it out win.
My congratulations to the dominant team which persevered and captured the victory. An exhausting but ever so sweet tally in the win column for the coach and squad which now advances to St. Louis to vie for a slot in the Elite 8. My clan and I voiced a resounding whoop when Taylor raced for and completed his dunk in the final 3 seconds. Yee-Haw!

REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Regarding Conner Teahan, the guy who is very much in the running for National COY has chosen to play him more than 20 minutes per game on a team which just won its 8th consecutive league championship.
Enough said.

machinegun 10 years, 6 months ago

Conner Teahan worked his tail off against Purdue! Going up against a very physical team, fighting thru screens, and trying to help the team any way possible...Conner was a warrior!

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