Thursday, March 8, 2012

MU guard adds fuel to rivalry


— Outspoken Missouri guard Kim English figures to hear some jeers from Kansas University fans if the rival teams advance to Saturday’s Big 12 tournament finals.

Check out his comments in Wednesday’s Columbia Missourian that have made their way to various Internet message boards: “I respect Kansas basketball to the fullest. I respect their players. I respect their coaches big time. I just hate their fans,” English, a 6-6 senior from Baltimore, said.

“Their fans kind of have a false sense of security about what Kansas basketball is. It’s not Kentucky. It’s not UCLA.”

He sees it as KU has three national titles, not five. “If they want to count championships from 1922 and ’23, then that’s fine,” he told the paper, referring to Helms Foundation titles.

English on Wednesday jokingly thanked KU and Kansas State fans for spending money in the state of Missouri while attending the 2012 Big 12 tournament. He also referred to K.C. as “our town.”

KU coach Bill Self was not bothered by English’s comments.

“He’s got a little Norm (Stewart, former MU coach) in him. There’s nothing wrong with that,” Self said after Wednesday’s short practice in Sprint Center.

“Everybody loves and respects Norm, especially after Norm retired,” the coach added with a laugh. “That’s one thing that does kind of crack me up. There’s been so many things that have been said innocently that aren’t stories that people can take the ball and run with because they are leaving (for SEC). I’ve not followed what everybody is saying. That’s a pretty good quote by Kim.”

Self said earlier in the week that “Kansas City is more of a K-State, KU town than it is a Missouri town, at least the way we see it.”

On Wednesday, Self said: “I actually had people do some research. If you add K-State and KU alums that have graduated and alums that did not graduate but at least went to school there for a brief period of time, they’re not close,” he said of fans of the three schools that live in K.C.

“I don’t know what I said that is even remotely controversial. I always thought controversial statements were things that could be taken one way or another. To me, if it’s fact, I don’t see what’s controversial.

"I don’t think the numbers lie. We are only 45 minutes from here. We have 88,000 alums that live in the five-county area. This is a big deal to come play in Kansas City. That’s why the tournament will be great here no matter what. ... We need to sell it. That’s all I’m trying to do is sell it. This is the place to have the Big 12 tournament, period.

“If Kansas and Missouri are not playing Saturday, it’ll still be a full house. That’s why the tournament always needs to stay here.”

Recruiting: Jordan Tebbutt, a 6-5, 230-pound small forward from Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Va., attended Saturday’s Senior Night game against Texas as part of an unofficial recruiting visit. Tebbutt, who is originally from Tualatin, Ore., has received scholarship offers from USC, UCLA, Virginia, Oregon State, Portland, Virginia, Washington and Washington State.

“I loved it and the fans at Kansas are amazing,” Tebbutt told “It was a fun night and a great atmosphere.”


Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 9 months ago

KU absolutely is on par Kentucky and UCLA, Mr. English.... though I don't blame you for your bitter feelings... (If we're not UCLA or Kentucky... where does that place you? When was the last time either of those institutions won an NCAA title?)

Wasn't that Kim English in the fetal position on Naismith Court after MU blew the game?

baldwinjhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

I do know this. The two schools that have the most wins in college bball besides us have their arena's named after a guy from Halstead and a guy from nuff said?

Brendan Connolly 10 years, 9 months ago

We are #2 in wins amongst all college put Mizzou in perspective, here is the list of all time winningest teams in history:

You'll notice KU at #2 and Mizzou at #37.....8 spots below Missouri State. Can you really talk smack when you don't even lead your state in wins and you are trailing a team that just recently changed it's name from Southwest Missouri State?

Brendan Connolly 10 years, 9 months ago

Just found a list though where Mizzou is second.....most tournament appearances WITHOUT a final four.....

BYU 26 Mizzou 24

rockchalk_dpu 10 years, 9 months ago

Not to mention, this year will be MU's 25th trip to the NCAA tourney ever. This will also be KU's 26 consecutive trip to the NCAA tourney. Just to pile on the numbers against Kimmy.

nb4ku 10 years, 9 months ago

Actually, they had the 1994 year vacated by the NCAA.

texashawk10 10 years, 9 months ago

This only KU's 23rd consecutive trip to the NCAA. The 26th will happen in 2015.

Travis Shinkle 10 years, 9 months ago

Guys, guys,'ve got to remember that most Missouri players can't read so talking about FACTS and actual HISTORY is pointless with those guys... :)

My favorite line from English is "...Their fans kind of have a false sense of security about what Kansas basketball is..."

Let's see number #2 all time in wins (and we're not really too far from #1 Kentucky), 8 straight conference titles, 171 wins over Missouri, oh yea, and FIVE national titles.

If those stats don't say much about winning security then I don't know what else one would show to prove it!

I always like the dig by Missouri people about the 22/23 titles...okay, let's toss them as well as 52 and 88 and we'd still have more than Missouri!

PS-ask UCLA how they like that recent SI article...

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 9 months ago

one UK forfeited season away from a comfortable lead in all-time wins.

Jared Grillot 10 years, 9 months ago

I hate to mathematically burst your bubble...

ku_foaf 10 years, 9 months ago

This is the reason Missouri fans always say "don't start with the statistics." It kills them to have facts that prove we are one the 4-5 elite programs now and in the past.

Adam Collins 10 years, 9 months ago

I'm just waiting for Calicrappy to inevitably get busted at Kentucky so that they forfeit a season or two of wins and we jump in front on the all-time wins list.

Randy Bombardier 10 years, 9 months ago

Wooden was from Illinois, Dean Smith from Emporia, Rupp from Halstead. Who is from Topeka?

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

I don't know who's from Topeka, but don't forget about Gene Keady who had a lot of good years at Purdue. He was from Larned, played at KSU and coached at Hutch JuCo.

Steve Reigle 10 years, 9 months ago

Kentucky named their arena and hang their hat on the coaching reputation of Adolph Rupp, who played his college basketball and Kansas University. Nope, Kentucky is not Kansas but at least they're trying hard.

JayHok 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow! Kim English is the one guy at Missouri I actually liked----unfortunately now past tense. For the record I lived three years blocks from Rupp Arena, lived two years blocks from Pauley Pavillion, and seven years blocks from Allen Fieldhouse.

Kim English is certainly right about one thing---127 dB is pretty loud. Rupp and Pauley can't hold a candle to gameday @ Allen Fieldhouse. It's not even a contest.

Isn't Allen going to have the original rules of basketball on permanent display soon. Is he mad because Kentucky started it's tradition with Rupp or because---just googled this yesterday----John Calipari started his coaching at Allen Fieldhouse under Larry Brown. Did John Calipari NOT have his first basketball job at Kansas?

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

It's a sad fact, but true. Cal Lie Pari did indeed start as an assistant at KU. One of the few blemishes on KU's otherwise proud and illustrious coaching history.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 9 months ago

Coming from a team that has NEVER made a Final Four..

Low class...but else would you expect from Mizzou?

kufaninmo 10 years, 9 months ago

ah, he was butt-hurt bro. you know how these kids are these days, cryin, talkin smack...i mean, HIS name is Kim, bro...i'd talk trash to everyone too.

prusso25 10 years, 9 months ago

He's right... We don't have that great a history....

We only invented the sport, and stuff.

He should be thanking us. Punk.

Thad Daugherty 10 years, 9 months ago

Dude, I am as big a KU fan as there is but it makes us look like dopes when we say the sport was invented at KU. It was invented in Springfield, Mass. Lets not give MU any ammo.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

Invented in Springfield. Perfected in Lawrence. Better?

sls0463 10 years, 9 months ago

Kansas has a wonderful basketball tradition. 3 national titles, countless conference championships, one of the highest win totals in basketball history, a great fieldhouse, many historical icons of college basketball. But I would like to make a few of points:

Your program doesn't need to be embellished falsely. It doesn't make you or any other KU fan better than anyone else (never quite understood why you think otherwise) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY. It doesn't give you the right to create revisionist history. The game was not invented at was invented in Springfield , MA.....and stuff.

Jared Grillot 10 years, 9 months ago

Let's not un-revise too much, then. 3 NCAA championships, 5 total "national titles". The only difference is the NCAA tournament that Phog Allen helped bring into existence. I agree, let's keep the history accurate :)

Steve Quatrocky 10 years, 9 months ago

Thank goodness we arent UCLA, they have their hands full and Kentucky plays in one of the softest BBall divisions year in and year out.

Poor Mister English, suffering from a massive inferiority complex and Delusions of Grandeur like all Missouri fans who just cant accept the FACT that KU Basketball is part of the Elite 2000 Wins Club and that says it all.

Doug Cramer 10 years, 9 months ago

There couldn't of been a better statement that motivates players as much as this one from English.

Fuel for the fire.

Let's go win a national championship boys.

Kye Clark 10 years, 9 months ago

I'll be so glad to be rid of Kimberly English. I read the article in that Mizery rag. So sad, both in what it must be like to be that pretentious piece of trash Kimmy English, as well as the writer of the piece. They actually dug up some hack who uses some computer program to determine his own college basketball rankings, and said Mizery was the rightful champs in '21 & '22.

The article also goes on to state that KU hasn't won 8 straight conference titles because the true conference champion is the winner of the conference tournament, not the regular season. Really? You do know those are people from the Big XII offices bringing us our yearly trophy when we win the league right? Not just something we decided upon to make ourselves feel better.

Of course the funniest thing about the article is its title: "What constitutes a national championship? Don't ask kansas." Well one thing is for certain, we shouldn't ask Mizery either!

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 9 months ago

Hell, they couldn't even answer the question "What is a Final Four?"

Ed Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

I think they would have to ask someone from out of state the number for 9-1-1 in an emergency.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 9 months ago

I almost felt bad for Norm when Tyus Edney ruined his best chance of ever making it to the Final 4.


texashawk10 10 years, 9 months ago

Only in Missouri do 4 days of basketball count more than 2 months of games.

Trent Smith 10 years, 9 months ago

I would say we are no Kentucky! They even have their arena named for a Kansas University basketball player. I think there's also the "Dean Dome" at UNC. I think we must know something about basketball here. Maybe if Norm had some Kansas connections earlier in his career, MU might have more of a basketball school.

JD Roth 10 years, 9 months ago

Kim English has no clue that Rupp played at KU, that Smith won a National Title at KU, that Chamberlain played at KU, that Jo Jo White played at KU, that KU has the longest string of NCAA appearances, that John Wooden helped construct Memorial Stadium. English is so ignorant that he probably doesn't know that Manning won a National Title at KU. Yes UCLA was a dynasty from the mid 60's to early 70's, but since Larry Brown KU is the program. KU not a UCLA or a Kentucky??!! Don't want to be either one right now. In 10 years KU will have surpassed UK in all time wins. The University of Kansas is second to none in College Basketball Tradition.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 9 months ago

Rupp ran the dirtiest program in the history of NCAA basketball.

Kman_blue 10 years, 9 months ago

Backing up coach Self's statements.

Here's the actual numbers of KU alumni and mizzery alumni who call the KC metro area home.

KU alumni in KC - 88,000 mizzery alumni in KC - 20,000 (according to mizzery alumni association's KC chapter)

4 1/2 to 1 in favor of KU alumni.

KANSAS City is a KU city.

Not smack talk, just the facts.

oldrocker 10 years, 9 months ago

Coach Self is such a know what he really wanted to say was, "Now you see why I never want to play these arrogant a$$holes again as long as I live!"

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Memo to Kimmy English:

Kimmy, say what you want about KU's fans. After all, it's a free country and everyone, including African Americans, (thanks to the Civil War - during which Mizzery supported the losing side) has the right to freedom of speech.

Note: "Kimmy" is the way young children are commonly addressed by their families, until they reach maturity.

Kimmy, if you think badly of KU's fans, one has to wonder what you honestly think about the antics of MU's fans/antlers. Please explain your honest opinions about them before you venture any further into a publicized discussion about a team's fans.

Kimmy, if you really want to be recognized for your beliefs, you're going to have to improve your debating skills. You must state your case analytically, or few if any will believe what you're saying. Stick to specifics, not generalities. Anybody can say, "I don't like KU's fans." But if you don't give specific reasons why, it's just a bunch of shibai, as we call it in the islands.

Kimmy, if your going to point a finger at KU's fans calling us out, you better look down at your hand and notice there are more fingers pointing back towards yourself and your own fans. Afterall, it's MU's fans/antlers who are crass and act immature in their public displays of idiocy.

Kimmy, do you condone calling players, coaches and their families at all hours of the night before a game? Would you like to be subjected to the same?

Kimmy, if you have a family member die, would you want people saying untrue, disgraceful or inconsiderate things about them? Or making snide remarks, or displaying signs about them during a game? The MU antlers have made that into a science. Makes one wonder if they teach a course for such at MU.

Would you like to be spit on and called obnoxious names while playing, or walking to and from the court?

If you answer "Yes" to any of those questions, you'll need to grow up some more before you can answer to any name other than "Kimmy".

Signed: The general public.

jmurt 10 years, 9 months ago

i love how kansans have to (inaccurately) portray events from 150 years ago, because their state has nothing to be proud of in the present. missouri was in the union, btw, but i'm sure you didn't know that. and there are plenty examples of ku fans doing the exact same things you are accusing mu fans of doing

10 years, 9 months ago

“…because their state has nothing to be proud of in the present.”

Really? Other than having the present factual knowledge of historically owning the Tigers in basketball all-time (172-95), having exponentially more regular season success (Conference Championships: KU 55, MU 15) and postseason success (National Championships: KU 5, MU 0; Final Fours: KU 13, MU 0; Conference Tournament Championships: KU 25, MU 7), we also have this nugget:

From the article comparing 2010 to 2011 rankings:

“So says the latest Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index, which uses statistics of physical health, obesity, work environment and household income to come up with a formula to measure overall misery. Missouri crashed through the kitchen floor from 17th most miserable to the basement at 8th worst.”

Misery indeed!


“But, meanly, the survey gives Missourians another reason to moan — the measured, so-called “happiness” of Kansans, 7th best in the country.”


Allan Jackson 10 years, 9 months ago

"exponentially more regular season success (Conference Championships: KU 55, MU 15)"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. :-)

If you give MU's conference wins even a small exponent like 2, we would need 225 conference wins to have "exponentially more championships". The sport of basketball isn't even that old.

Exponentially does not mean "a lot". Sorry to be so picky :)

10 years, 9 months ago

“You keep using that word.”

If we are going to be technical, that was the first time I have used “exponentially” in posting comments here. So it would seem Mr. Fieldhouse, we are both overstating somewhat :^)

Jonathan Allison 10 years, 9 months ago

If you give it an exponent of 0 it is 1.

but if you give it an exponent of 1.48 it is 55.

This is not the place to be picky friend :)

Oh, by the way, I don't know if you know this or not but gymnasium which KU basketball calls home was named after the father of basketball coaching, Phog Allen. It is called Allen Fieldhouse. Very similar to your screen name! That's intriquing.

Brak 10 years, 9 months ago

When did we ever say Mizzou was not part of the Union, we don't call you confederates, we call you slavers because you joined the union as a slave state and you came over and burned down Lawrence to intimidate the people of Kansas into joining in your Slavery. I love how the only thing Mizzou has to be proud of is the fact they are once again the Meth Capital of the world. Good riddance to bad rubbish!

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

To jmurt. Your reply is exactly what I would expect from an MU fan. A bunch of shibai. What history books did you read when you were in school? Those written by some meth head from the backwoods of the Ozarks?

As for knowing whether or not Mizzerable Mizzery was part of the United States, it's a sad truth that they were. And I'm not proud of that fact. From your first sentence above anyone can see you never passed a history class. Too bad. I feel sorrow for you. :-(

BTW, yourself. Did you ever pass first grade, or didn't you ever learn that you're supposed to capitalize the first letters when starting new sentences? See, I cite actual examples verifying my statements. Which you, obviously, did not.

And unless you're the "Kimmy" I was addressing, it wasn't you I was asking those questions of. And if you are him, you didn't answer "No." to my questions, therefore, confirming the assumptions I made in my original post.

Now, go back to your little bottle of shibai before someone realizes what you are and tries to scoop you off the ground and dump you into a toilet bowl where you belong. For you'll not get me to waste anymore of my time reading your sniveling shibai.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 9 months ago

Missouri never seceded, but it harbored numerous Southern Sympathizers and Copperheads (Anti-War Democrats). It was barely able to even keep order during wartime over armed roving bands and federal troops actually occupied the University of Missouri's campus after the war.....

Before the war, Missouri absolutely supported slavery. Here's a quote from Senator Dave Atchison of Missouri redarging "Bleeding Kansas" and the election there, "The game must be played boldly... if we win, we carry slavery to the Pacific Ocean. If we lose, we lose Missouri, Arkasas, Texas and all the territories." (Battle Cry of Freedom, pg 145)

Accurate enough for you?

Brak 10 years, 9 months ago

Actually I saw on Tigerboard that they all refer to him as "Kimmie" which seems much worse because not only does it refer to him being a young child as you said but a female one. You are giving him too much credit for being masculine.

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Oops. I made a mistake and mis-spelled Mr. English's first name. And I admit it if I do make a mistake.

Wonder if jmurt's mother apologized when she realized she had made a mistake having jmurt?

Mahalo for correcting me. And for your support of my original post.

championhawks 10 years, 9 months ago

He's just jealous that he couldn't play in front of the best fans in the country every home game... Or even just a packed house every home game!

Danny Hernandez 10 years, 9 months ago

Can't we get someone from the BIG12 office to issue an official statement that says the Regular Season Conference Champ is the Regular season conference Champion and that Kansas has won 8 straight Big 12 championships? Whether they're shared or not, it's a regular season championship. I get so tired of the few mutards reluctance to both comprehend and/or accept what is fact.

After Saturday, misery is dead to me and should be to the rest of Kansas fans....I have never loathed that team and fanbasse as I have the last 15 years or so...And I truly believe it has more do with the fact that Kansas continues to stay on top and they were never ever able to knock us off....Just plain jealousy and lots of green in there too.

they are the most pathetic, whiny and insecure fan base I've ever been around and I resided in Pac10 country for over 35 years and none are this stupid. Currently residing the Miami/ACC area now, even haith's former teams fans aren't this stupid and they've achieved zippo in basketball, similar to misery's accomplishments. They know when to keep their mouths shut

Rob Keeney 10 years, 9 months ago

Don't worry about these idiots. After they are done in the NCAA tourney, the Big 12 is done with them.

LSHawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Its just sour grapes from a bunch of meth cooking, sister dating, yocals. So the conference champs are the tournament champs huh,well no problem how bout we kick your butts Saturday and then what will you say?

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

“He’s got a little Norm (Stewart, former MU coach) in him. There’s nothing wrong with that,” Self said after Wednesday’s short practice in Sprint Center.

That's one of the creepier, but probably true, statements that Coach Self has ever muttered!

As far as English's Kentucky/UCLA comparison - thank you! Glad you're smart enough to see that. Also throw in there that it's not Missouri either. We have way too many teeth for that.

Brak 10 years, 9 months ago

Just imagine how Kimmy felt when Norm came up to him and said, "You got any Norm Steward in ya? You want some?"

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

A little known fact that we should give MethZoo credit for. The inventor of the TOOTHBRUSH went to MethZoo.

Because if it was invented by anyone else they would have called a TEETHBRUSH.

ccarp 10 years, 9 months ago

Big words for a young man whose favorite word is IF.

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 9 months ago

This coming from a guy who is part of a program that STILL doesn't have a Final Four appearance. LMAO

jayhawkinATL 10 years, 9 months ago

...BTW...who the hell wants to be in UCLA's shoes right now?!?!

april28 10 years, 9 months ago

So....what's that make Mizzou then, Ms. English?

Martin Rosenblum 10 years, 9 months ago

Missouri is going to a conference where National Championships are very common,,,,in football. But, there is history with basketball NCs as well. Just as in the Big 12, there are more than two schools that have won at least one NC. And there are more than two schools that have won conference championships multiple times.

Can Missouri say the can match up with the elite schools in the SEC, based on these criteriae? They haven't won a football NC, nor a basketball NC, and haven't won multiple Big 8 or 12 conference titles. So, they don't appear to be enhancing the resume of the SEC at all to me, just as they did nothing to enhance the Big12. They'll be competing against Kentucky, Florida, Arkansas, LSU, ALabama and others who are in the national spotlight in many sports and who know how to compete on a national level as well as within a conference where winning is a tradition. God luck!

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

They are going to a Conference where teams count National Championships from an era before the current BCS Championship. Will Kimmie correct 'Bama on their count of the number of "REAL" championship?

JHawk06 10 years, 9 months ago

+1 great point. Bama fans say they have 13.. which is about 6 more than the official number.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

Two of which were awarded by the Helms Athletic Foundation in 1925 and 1926.

Pat Sullivan 10 years, 9 months ago

Kim, Please take a moment and look up in the rafters at Paige Arena. You will notice that Mizzery recognizes mediocrity while KU recognizes only excellence. Here endeth the lesson.

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Don't they have a banner that says " Remember that time we beat KU ?" ?

mtdewjunkie 10 years, 9 months ago

He will probably also see banners for 20 All-Americans that have played there...including 6 that were named "retroactively by the Helms Foundation" (quote from MU's own website)

Steve Brown 10 years, 9 months ago

I am so going to miss Mizzwho.

Happy for SEC that they are getting our beach.

Someday Mizz will get a final four, if it is this year, then you only have 12 more to reach the program that is 'not UCLA or Ky'.

Back to reality. I do like good college ball, they have a bunch of talented seniors, share the ball and play well as a team. Actually I like they way they play, it is just the uniforms, being black and gold that I can't stand. If they were from another state I would almost root for them.

JD Roth 10 years, 9 months ago

Yep Missouri will always be KU's beach lol

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

Lighthawk you have said wise things in the past but I am going to disagree with you with this post. I do not believe that MethZoo will EVER go to the Final Four. Drew will coach Baylor in a 'rebuilding year' to a Final Four before MethZoo gets there. Don't hold your breath for either.

rnrover81 10 years, 9 months ago

Using his "logic" - what does that make Missouri basketball? It's not Wyoming. It's not Drake. Both of which have a final four appearance. Another classy move to question the number of National Championhips Kansas really has. He must have gotten tired of counting to zero for his own school. Their (Missouri fans and players) jealousy of the Kansas basketball program is comical.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Kim English is a good kid - pretty funny actually, and smart, too. He's trying to get a rise out of KU fans. Kim succeeded.

I'm actually really sad for KC that MU decided to join the SEC. This tournament is one of the best times of the year for MU, KU, and KSU. Hate to see it end.

Kim. Scoreboard.

Kye Clark 10 years, 9 months ago

Really I think he's just a press hound and likes hearing his own voice.

Janet Olin 10 years, 9 months ago

I agree totally and admire Kim for his tenacity in overcoming the odds. He was trying to get a rise out of KU fans, but he put his foot in his mouth (up to the kneecap) by not researching KU history first.. I get your intentions, Kim, all in good fun, but you messed up on the facts.

JayHok 10 years, 9 months ago

Mike Alden surely is behind what Kim is saying. Mizzou is desperate to get Kansas on their schedule! Sorry Alden, your new rival will be Arkansas----have fun!

If Kim would use his google button he would see even if measuring only in his lifetime--- Kansas has the greatest winning percentage in the 90's and the 21st century in all of college basketball. He must have missed Danny and the miracles by a couple years so we can give him a mulligan on that. He must have had a torturous childhood in KC. Tough place to be a Tiger.

Tony Bandle 10 years, 9 months ago

Most games played - 1] Kansas[2868], 2] North Carolina[2792], 3] Kentucky[2730]

Most games won - 1] Kentucky[2082], 2] Kansas[2064], 3] North Carolina[2060]

Helms Championships - 1] Kansas [2], 2] North Carolina [1], 3] Kentucky [1] [non-NCAA years]

NCAA Championships - 1] Kentucky [7], North Carolina [5], 3] Kansas [3]

And Missouri??????....................crickets.........

LJ Gee 10 years, 9 months ago

this obviously isnt correct since UCLA has more NCAA championships than anyone with like 12 I think

Tony Bandle 10 years, 9 months ago

Sorry, I was making a point about the original "Big Three"..of course UCLA is part of the equation but I was referring more to the issue from a historical perspective.

UCLA is kind of a Johhny Come Lately, but Indiana and Duke could also be included in the conversation.

ku_foaf 10 years, 9 months ago

We started saying we had five championships fairly recently. I believe this was a response to KY's claim.

KY has been claiming three championships from that era (No NCAA tournament, no official champion) for a long, long time.

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

'Bama, Nebraska, OU, Texas doesn't list their National Championship in Football as 'BCS Championships' and 'Non-BCS Championships'. They list the times they were declared 'National Champions'.

'Bama claims to have won 12 National Championships. Two of which (1925 and 1926) were awarded by the Helms Athletic Foundation. These have never been disputed by anyone. Will Kimmie correct 'Bama next year in the SEC?

Vernon Riggs 10 years, 9 months ago

12 National Championship in Football, of course.

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago


Truly! The Tigers may end up quacking like ducks next season in the SEC? I can just see them running scared, away from their opponents, quacking like the duck in the AFLAC commercials on TV.

They should paint tigers on those moving tracks and rotating targets at the fair, instead of ducks. Would imagine the gunmen/gunwomen would find shooting tigers much more fun. Wonder how many of those stuffed tigers one wins end up being used for target practice?

Here Kitty, Kitty.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

Uh, yeah----Kimmy English was the one after the KU game in Lawrence "that atmosphere had nothing to do with their win."

Talk about clueless--------geeze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 9 months ago

Meant to say, "that {said} atmosphere had nothing to do with their win."

Got me all fired up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JayHok 10 years, 9 months ago

Since this is a 'discussion' between a Mizzou player and Kansas fans.

--How many all-time conference titles does Kentucky have

--How many all-time conference titles does Kansas have

--How many all-time conference titles does UCLA have

For extra credit points, how many big 12 conference titles does Mizzou have

KansasComet 10 years, 9 months ago

Okay, Mr. English, the floor is open. Please explain to us what Missouri Basketball is? Kansas fans understand what their basketball program is. All we have to do is read the name on the court. That says it all.

JayHok 10 years, 9 months ago

Since this is a 'discussion' between a Mizzou player and Kansas fans.

--How many all-time conference titles does Kentucky have

--How many all-time conference titles does Kansas have

--How many all-time conference titles does UCLA have

For extra credit points, how many big 12 conference titles does Mizzou have

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

To put it in a slightly different perspective, how many conference championships have Duke and N. Carolina won in the ACC? The answer, according to Dukie Vitale, (So you can trust the source as accurate, they being his two favorite schools and conference.) 49 ACC championships - N. Carolina 30 and Duke 19.

Compare that to KU's record of 55 conference championships.

Nuff said.

jcoop4ku 10 years, 9 months ago

Wasn't KE the same player that said on Gameday a few weeks ago that "Even if we lose EVERY game of the season and still beat KU, then it's considered a good season"????

Now that's respect...

LJ Gee 10 years, 9 months ago

If KU isnt "Kentucky or UCLA", what does that make Mizery? A pile of hot garbage? Yes. And by Kim's argument, I suppose no NCs in football prior to the BCS count either. What an idiot. Just goes to show what kind of a BS education you get by living in Mizery for four years. And I love the comment about "KC is our town". Really? When was the last time you won the Big XII Tourney again? Oh yeah, NEVER. Somebody may want to drug test this kid because he is high on something

JayHok 10 years, 9 months ago

What makes Mizzou fans mad regarding the Helms titles is that Kansas was awarded back to back titles. If it truly was 'luck' as Kim seems to imply, why award Kansas both the 1922 AND 1923 titles. According to an article I'm checking out thanks to Kim, Kansas was stacked for the times. Googling the starting lineup, guess who didn't start---Adolph Rupp.

According to a different article four Jayhawk players or coaches in the 1923 team photo are in the Naismith hall of fame, including the inventor of basketball himself. It also says Kansas has more members in the Naismith hall of fame than any other school.

Thank God KU isn't UK or UCLA!

justinryman 10 years, 9 months ago

All of his quotes will just make the Sprint Center that much louder. And sure the game is on the Missouri side of the river, but he doesn't get any of it, unless he is playing for pay, which would rule him and his team ineligible to compete at the amateur level.

OH and as a sign once read, "Isn't Kim a girls name?"

Lance Hobson 10 years, 9 months ago

Tebbutt probably lost interest in signing during Teehan's 13-minute speech.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 9 months ago

You might have all heard this joke, but the first time I heard it was from Bill Self at this dinner I went to, and it seems appropriate here.

Guy is traveling through Missouri and stops for gas near Columbia. As he's pulling off he sees a billboard advertising a 14 hole golf course. So as he's talking to the attendant, he says "so what exactly is up with the 14 hole golf course, never seen one of those before?" The attendant replies, "we're Missouri, we NEVER make the Final 4!"

Bill Self is king!!!

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

I've heard that joke before. But I never tire of hearing it again, since it always makes me chuckle.

So, have you heard the one about the tourist who stops at a backwood's gas station in Missouri and questions the attendant about all the so-called meth labs he has read about. The local scratches his head and says, "Well, if your a wantin' some, there's a dozen or so labs within ten miles of here. Matter of fact, the wife and kids are cooking up a batch around back, if you don't mind waiting five more minutes for it to age a bit.

All fiction. No malice.

ku_foaf 10 years, 9 months ago

It is actually amazing that they even dare to mention themselves in the same breath as us when they haven't reached the milestone in which a season is universally judged to be great.

We've had Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State in the Final Four in the 2000s. Baylor came darn close last year, so 6th at best.

Missouri NEVER won a Big 12 Championship.

Alohahawk 10 years, 9 months ago

Wow! This CBSsports POY poll has been actively running for quite a while. It's like the Energizer Rabbit. It just keeps going, and going, and going.

And I keep voting, and voting....

Mahalo for the reminder.

kujayhawk72 10 years, 9 months ago

I wonder if Kimmy realizes that Missouri St. has more all-time wins than fizzou. I guess fizzou ain't no Missouri St.

akn28 10 years, 9 months ago

Yawn... Who cares what some border line division one player thinks. Kimmy you play for Missouri think about it Missouri..the same school that has one winning season in a sport and all of sudden your fans think you are some sort of football or basketball powerhouse...turn the page

Lance Hobson 10 years, 9 months ago

I think it's a little insensitive to make jokes about Missouri's never having made a Final 4. It takes a lot to make a Final 4, and the fact that George Mason and Butler have been there should not make them feel inferior. Even being a basketball school like Mizzou is, the Final 4 is a major accomplishment and they shouldn't feel ashamed for having never experienced one. No one will ridicule them for such mediocrity in the SEC.

davehawkSWK 10 years, 9 months ago

Anyone with the rudiments of an education can say. or write, what they wish could have happened in reality. Mr. English cannot dispute what has happened on the court. KU players do not have to display their thoughts through the media; they display their thoughts on the court and do so year in and year out! Mr. English is just feeling a little inferior because he can NEVER be a part of basketball history such as the members of the Jayhawks can, past, present and future.

Chris Kurtz 10 years, 9 months ago

Not Kentucky or UCLA? Well we aren't Misery either buddy. Thank God for that.

If we want to claim the titles from 1922 and 1923 go ahead? Well first, you had to of been good enough to have those awarded to you to even have a choice to claim them. Even back them Mizery sucked and couldn't win one. BTW North Carolina and other schools that were award National Helms Championships hang their banners as well.

Hey if you want to hang banners for making the tourney and Elite Eight go ahead. That's the best your program has accomplished so go ahead.

That's a catchy chant M I Z...E R Y you have. I've got another for you. S E C.....O N D in the BIG 12. Bye bye.

Vittorio1224 10 years, 9 months ago

Kimmy needs to shut his mouth. Not to add insult to injury as the numerous stats indicate......BUT.... Gallup just came out with its "well-being" index for best places to live.... Guess who was in the top 10? YES -- Kansas.....and conversely (Misery grads may need to look that word up), guess who finished in the BOTTOM 10? Yep, right again.....Misery! I'm not making this stuff up :)

Dan Pawlowski 10 years, 9 months ago

Its a good thing he plays basketball at Missouri . He can't count and he doesn't have to.

Yosemite 10 years, 9 months ago

Kim is going to miss seeing all you Jayhawk fans at Sprint Center tonight. Too bad you can't make it. As for all of the disparaging remarks made about Kim, just remember he will end up up being richer, more powerful and better looking than all of the above posters.

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