Tuesday, November 22, 2011

Turner Gill’s focus on MU, not on his future

Kansas head coach Turner Gill walks the sidelines during the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.

Kansas head coach Turner Gill walks the sidelines during the first half Saturday, Nov. 19, 2011 at Kyle Stadium in College Station, Texas.


As his future with the program treads in uncertain waters and his team prepares for what could be the final game in the 120-year history of the Border War series with Missouri — 2:30 p.m. Saturday at Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, Mo. — Kansas University football coach Turner Gill continues to lean on the priorities that have defined his time at KU.

“We are focusing on our team getting better,” said Gill on Monday morning’s Big 12 coaches teleconference. “We could get caught up on those other things, but that would be a distraction from making sure we execute on the football field. What we need to focus on is (having) great preparation going into this game and executing better than Missouri.”

Asked more specifically about his own future with the Jayhawks, Gill stuck with what he said after last Saturday’s 61-7 loss at Texas A&M.;

“I don’t get caught up in that,” Gill said. “I am here to coach them in the Missouri game, and that’s what I am going to focus on ... moving forward, and continue to build a program that is going to be competing for championships in the future.”

Pinkel to return Thursday

After missing Saturday’s victory against Texas Tech as part of a one-week suspension following his DWI arrest, Missouri coach Gary Pinkel will continue to observe from afar for the first few days this week.

Although Pinkel is expected to wear a headset and be on the sideline Saturday, when the Tigers (6-5 overall, 4-4 Big 12) try to make it three straight victories against the Jayhawks (2-9, 0-8), he will not be involved with the team’s preparation until Thursday.

Missouri defensive coordinator Dave Steckel, who filled in for Pinkel on Monday’s conference call, said the Tigers’ preparation would not suffer.

“We’re just business as usual,” Steckel said. “(Offensive coordinator) David (Yost is) running the offense, and I’m running the defense. We are keeping coach abreast of everything that’s going on, game-plan-wise.”

Asked what it felt like to lead the Tigers into rivalry week, Steckel played down both the opportunity and the intensity of the game.

“We’ve got great respect for their players and their team,” he said. “Turner Gill’s a great human being, and I, personally, know some of those offensive coaches, and they’re really good football coaches. (KU assistants) J.B. Grimes, Dave Beaty and Chuck Long are really, really good football coaches, and we’ve got our hands full.”

Border War future?

With Missouri announcing its intentions to join the SEC, but not yet immersed in its new conference as a full member, there remains some uncertainty regarding the future of the Border War.

KU coaches and officials have said in the past they won’t schedule MU outside of conference play.

“I think it always needs to be played in a Big 12 conference,” Gill said of the KU-MU rivalry. “Those are my thoughts on it, and we will go from there.”

Later, asked about the same topic, Steckel spoke with much more optimism.

“Well, first of all, you’re using the word ‘probably,’ so I don’t know if we are or if we’re not,” he said of playing KU again in the future. “This is Kansas. Kansas has been a great rivalry for the University of Missouri for many, many years, and that’s what important, and that’s what’s on our plate now. We’re not worried about the future. We’re worried about right here, right now.”


sevenyearhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Kansas needs the Border War a lot more than Mizzou does ...

keep playing it.

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

Very true! Now KU needs to find another school who we can have a 500 record against in Football. Wait...we just about have that in Oklahoma State and Iowa State...

However, we will need to find a basketball arena to replace The Paige as a prime target for funny signs by KU students.

Hardest of all will be scheduling a game in Allen Fieldhouse where it will be appropriate to hoist a large print of John Brown. Mizzou takes that opportunity away from us.

Oh, and the city of Wichita may need to find some part time workers when the BIG 12ish Tourney is moved from KC to Wichita.

You are so right...KU and the rest of Kansas will just fall off the map without Mizzou.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

What makes you think the Big 12 tourney is going to Wichita? The reason they aren't in the NCAA tourney rotation even with the new arena is because the city lacks the hotel capacity to accommodate 4 teams and their fans and you expect them to be able to handle 20 teams and 10 fan bases. The Big 12 tourney is headed back to OKC or Dallas after this season.

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

Capitalism. If there is the slightest chance that Wichita could land the tournament, then hotels will be going up quickly.

John Mueller 10 years, 6 months ago

The only thing we need Missouri for is landfill space.

Preferably for nuclear waste.

Why would you say we need Missouri?

It's a shame tha the rivalry is over. But we will move on.

This is the best thing to happen to K-State.

They always wanted to be our rivals, but never really were.

Now, we will consider their application.

Missouri can go to hell .

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 6 months ago

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troutsee 10 years, 6 months ago

This has all the earmarks of being Gill's last game. Another blow out awaits us on Sat.

sheahoRn 10 years, 6 months ago

Dang it! When I got back from spear fishing there were 14 messages from Rich Rod saying if i don't call him back, he is going to take the U of A job.

danmoore 10 years, 6 months ago

He won't be at Arizona for long. As soon as he gets 6 or 7 wins he's gone. All one needs to know about RR is he left his alma mater for a better paying job.

Kyle Sybesma 10 years, 6 months ago

It's Michigan. Bill Self turned down Oklahoma State to stay at Kansas. Not exactly the same situation but close.

vd 10 years, 6 months ago

We own the fans, but we haven't owned the recruits. This should help us own the recruits.

Joe Ross 10 years, 6 months ago

@jhawkclassof02: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! +10

Rock_Chalk_NYC 10 years, 6 months ago

Exactly right, Mizzery needs this to save face with Kansas City. We DON'T NEED THIS AT ALL.

I can only think of one state university that would intentionally go out and completely screw its own state. MIZZERY!

I'll be sad to see Border War over and Big 12 Tourney leave KC, but sorry KC MO you don't deserve it.

Interested to see how the bars in P&L will handle it. If I see any Mizzery flags I'll be sure to ask the owner/manager why he/she hangs the flag of the University that just took hundreds of thousands of dollars out of his/her pocket.

Rock Chalk, praying for a win... See Turner, I'm on your side.

jayhawkeratheart 10 years, 6 months ago

From the onset, when the decision was made to wear nameless jerseys, the individualism of the player went out the door. At that point in time the players had nothing to gain by playing their hearts out, simply because no one knew who did what, unless you had a program guide in your hand. Probably the single most damaging move on the part of the coaches to make that decision. College sports is about who you are, and how good you are. Point to be made, put the names back on the jerseys so mom and dad can see their boys play and be proud. It's like we're afraid to bring recognition to any one player, for some odd reason. School pride is based on individual performances, and you tell me how long the "Basketball School" would last if you take away the identity of the players. Nuf said

ChesterCopperpot 10 years, 6 months ago

That’s a bit much. I have a hard time believing that names on the back of the jersey would change the Turner Gill overall win-loss record very much. In my view, things like game plans, preparation, conditioning, and toughness would have gone a little further than names on the jersey

jayhawkeratheart 10 years, 6 months ago

I can't argue with that, however I do believe that individual pride would increase, if everyone knew who the player was that just made that tackle, or scored that point. Pride goes a long way in winning, and one must build on that building block in order to establish a winning mindset in the players. We look like a high school program rather than a D1 winning team. What can it hurt to reinstate the name thing, at least the television audience would know the players. Myself for one. I only know the Q-Backs name, and that's it. However I can tell you several of the names of the Oklahoma team.

Brak 10 years, 6 months ago

Wow man you are so smart, I guess thats why teams like Notre Dame, USC, and Penn St. are known as terrible football programs because they don't put the names on their jerseys. Maybe if they can see the error in their ways like KU then maybe someday they might have some success.

danmoore 10 years, 6 months ago

Don't understand this obsession with names on the jerseys. If you watch enough KU games you can determine who the player is by their physical appearance, style of play and their position.

sevenyearhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

For this moronic and basketball-centric fanbase, the names were crucial for maintaining interest ...

this isn't fracking Nebraska.

Turner needs a foot in his ass on the way out!

Gary Wirsig 10 years, 6 months ago

To quote Chester Copperpot above, that's a bit much.

Mat Davis 10 years, 6 months ago

Having or not having the names on the back of the jerseys has little to do with success on the field. I doubt anyone says "Gee, I'd have made that play if only I had my name on the back." While it's great to have goals of championships, it sounds goofy to say that when you're getting thrashed every week.

Robert Brock 10 years, 6 months ago

Couldn't we put pictures of little whales on the back of the jerseys? Or unicorns?

jayhawkeratheart 10 years, 6 months ago

We could even do next of kin, just something to gain identity

Funhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Fun KU - MU History - Oct. 31, 1891 – the first KU - MU football game. Excerpts from the Lawrence Daily Journal – November 2, 1891. Headline: The Crimson Win. The Kansas University Eleven Victorious – The Game and The Celebration.
Article partially copied as follows: The University team acquitted themselves with credit at Kansas City Saturday. The crowd accompanied was proud of their work. The Missouri giants were no match for the skill and training of the boys who wore the crimson. The game was witnessed by about 3,000 people, and it was the most demonstrative crowd that ever gathered in Kansas City. The majority of them wore the old gold and black M. S. U., but that did not aid the team in the game. The people of the city were surprised at the numbers, the enthusiasm and conspicuousness of the Kansas crowd. The game Saturday was one that raised the game of foot ball in the estimation of the public. Nobody was seriously hurt. There was no struggling or dirty playing and there was no wrangling over the game. It was a contest from beginning to end, and the Kansas eleven clearly outplayed their opponents at every point. The score was 22 to 8 and Kansas won. The wearers of the crimson made the air ring with their united shout of “Rock Chalk Jay Hawk K. U.”

Jayhawkintexas1973 10 years, 6 months ago

Turner Gill’s focus on MU, not on his future

61-7 is not an improvement.

Funhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Fun KU - MU history - Oct. 31, 1891 – the first KU - MU football game. Excerpts from the Lawrence Daily Journal –November 2, 1891.
Headline: They Paint the Town.
Soon after 8 o’clock the excursion left Kansas City for Lawrence and at about 10 pulled into the depot here. They were met by an enthusiastic reception committee and the crowd headed by Chancellor Snow and the professors went through town and proceeded to celebrate the great victory by a bonfire. At the urgent request by the mayor, who stated that the city had no fire protection the boys carried the material to South Park and built their fire. After the fire burned out there the boys continued the celebration of the victory and Hallowe’en by remaining out all night and doing considerable harmless damage.

Author: “Student”
Headline: That Celebration. The victory of the University foot ball eleven was fittingly celebrated by a huge bonfire at the park on Saturday night and had it not been for the over-officiousness of a lot of ignorant special policemen who happened to get on the force, the night would have passed without an unpleasant incident. As it was one student was arrested for a mere nothing and a citizen was struck over the head. The students were justly indignant and it was fortunate that Mayor Selig was present to release the student and promise that such ignorant officers should be dismissed from the force. The best sentiment of the city is in favor of the students and against any such brutal exercise of authority as that of Saturday night. Student.

Funhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Fun KU - MU history – Hawk Hogg Halloween hero. Some details of the first KU - MU “foot ball” game, Oct. 31, 1891.
Excerpts from the Lawrence Daily Journal – Monday, November 2, 1891. The game began at 2:40 with the ball in the hands of the Missourians. It was hardly five minutes till they made a touch down, and their supporters raised a first and last yell of encouragement. The Kansans did not get discouraged, and in a very short time had also made a touch down and tied the score. At this point in the game the Missouri team seemed to let up and it was but a very short time till another touch down was given to the Kansas boys. Then some fancy kicking was done, and the result was that Hogg kicked the ball over the line, and it was finally secured by Kansas, and another touch down added to her credit. Then the only goal of the game was kicked. Before any more points were made time was called with the score 14 to 4 in favor of K. S. U. The second half was hotly contested, but the Missourians were still not in it for some time. First one side had the ball and then the other, but a steady advance was made toward the Missouri goal and at length it was crossed and another touch down given to the crimson. The game was now getting exciting. Missouri boys were getting in some good work. The ball was punted to Hogg. He makes the Missourians believe he will return in the same was that through the lines and makes the most brilliant play of the game securing a touchdown. ….. The score was 22 to 8 and Kansas won. The wearers of the crimson made the air ring with their united shout of “Rock Chalk Jay Hawk K. U.”

Funhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

The Lawrence Daily Journal – Monday, November 2, 1891. Copied as follows: Headline: Notes. The athletic association cleared about $200 from the excursion and the game.
Hogg made for himself a record when he played that sharp trick on the Missourians and made a touchdown.
A Baker man remarked Saturday afternoon in Lawrence that he hoped our boys would win at Kansas City then brag about it and come down and bet their team clean us up. The Missourians jeered the Kansas crowd with the epithet “Rainmakers.” but when the game had progressed somewhat the Kansans made the air ring with “What’s the matter with the rainmakers.”

actorman 10 years, 6 months ago

Thanks Funhawk; I always appreciate your nostalgic posts. And it's pretty funny to read the way things were written back then.

boknowssports 10 years, 6 months ago

At the end of October, didn't Gill say, let's just forget about October and focus on how you finish. November is a new month, a fresh start.....and so far no wins. I'm glad he is still focusing on "Championships".....but maybe, just maybe he could focus on a win. Right now, the best we can do is tie last year's record of 3-9. We may end up 2-10. Every b-12 team except us and Texas Tech will be in a bowl. Tech still has a shot if they get one more win. We never had a shot, and won't with this coach.

jayhawkeratheart 10 years, 6 months ago

Coach Gill to the team: Okay boys, the whole world will know who you are today by the name on the back of your jersey, you can no longer hide your failures behind a number, because today you're going to be held accountable by your NAME. People will know your successes, and your failures from this day forward, so let's get out there and make a name for the school, and wear those team colors with pride. Each one of you have a NAME to live up to, be the best you can be, and the crowd will love you and respect you for your name. Webb you were great on that last set of downs, keep up the good work. Now get out there and make the Jayhawks a winning team.

Coach Gill to the team: Okay boys, today is a day to win a football game. We're a team, and the team has to win. Our school pride is at stake, so get out there and win one for the school pride. Hey number 42, you were a little weak on that last game, try to do better today. Hey coach, my name is.............................uh #42 that's right, my family knows my name, I hope I don''t forget it, coach.

Brak 10 years, 6 months ago

I bet that is what Knute Rockne said to his team right before he said, "Lets win one for the Gipper!" If you honestly think having names on a jersey would improve this team I have some oceanfront property in Kansas you might be interested in.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Get over the names on the jersey thing, it has absolutely no validity to any argument about the performance or the coaching of the team. If that's the sole deciding factor on why a kid chooses a school, then let them go elsewhere because that's not the kind of player I want representing KU in any way, shape, or form.

Phoghorn 10 years, 6 months ago

Agreed! This is the third most stale topic on here. (2 is Mangino, 1 is the BB-FB team fight).

danmoore 10 years, 6 months ago

No sour grapes on my part. They decided to leave and I have no ill will towards them but with that departure so ends the rivalry. They had to know that when they decided to leave just as Nebraska knew their rivalry with Oklahoma would end.

The football half of this rivalry has been great but the basketball half has been painfully lopsided for the other side. If I had to watch my rival cut down nets year after year I don’t think I’d be too interested in continuing play.

Too bad we will field a historically bad team in our last meeting but bigger than the border war is the civil war and we are 1 and 0 in that department.

Mike Barnhart 10 years, 6 months ago

Coach (when the other coach is drunk) Steckel said, "Coach Turner Gill is a great human being." You've gotta' know the actual quote included a huge pause, "Coach Turner Gill is a great ... um ...great ...Human Being." -Classic

actorman 10 years, 6 months ago

“Turner Gill’s a great human being, and ... some of those offensive coaches, ... they’re really good football coaches."

I think that sums TG up in a nutshell: he's a great human being and some of the others on the staff are really good football coaches.

Mat Davis 10 years, 6 months ago

On coach Gill's staff, he needs a "bad cop". He doesn't like to yell, which is fine, so get someone else to do it. There needs to be someone who'll light a fire under players' butts when they lose focus. You can get after players without using a slew of cuss words. I think there is a lack of accountability when mistakes are made, especially mental ones.

boknowssports 10 years, 6 months ago

that probably won't work because Gill banned his players from using cuss words, so the coaches probably can't either. he is really too warm and fuzzy to succeed (if winning is your goal) in a BCS conference. his whole "six full pads tackling limit, and the rest is two hand tag to work on technique" seems soft to me. teams take on the persona of their coach. ours is soft and by default our team is. I'm not blaming the players a bit. There is more than enough evidence that Gill and his staff are not up to the task.

danmoore 10 years, 6 months ago

That's what Snyder does. Mangino and Leavitt were both assistants and both lost their jobs for taking the bad cop routine too far.

tychi_jayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Mizzou can't have thier cake and eat it too. We said if they moved to the SEC then our rivalry is done. They moved. That's it. Hello KSU. We shall be rivals.

Gill, sorry bud, you have to go. I've been on your side since the beginning, but it's been embarrassing... utterly embarrassing. It's one thing to compete and lose, it's another thing to just poop the bed every game.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Muck Fizzou!!!!

Turner Gill, you are a good Christian man and I think just about everyone here can at least agree to that. Now cash in the good will chips upstairs for a win on Saturday on your way out the door.

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 6 months ago

BGL doesn't want Gill fired, it's high time we do something. Ole Miss is after Leach.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 6 months ago

One thing I would like do know should HCTG keep his job is "what changes will you make so we don't have to suffer through another season such as this one?" When I listen to Gill, it seems he has little room for change and that he really believes in his plan for KU. That's great, but it sure doesn't seem to be working. So what would he change if he is allowed to stay another year? I've never been to a KU practice, but his teams just seem so disorganized and often unprepared that I'd have to think someone has some ideas for change.

boknowssports 10 years, 6 months ago

if gill stays another year, we get maybe a 3-9 next year. I'm not sure how any new coach we replace him with could do worse. gill has no vision for how to make changes. all one needs to do is look at all to the lack of half time adjustments we had this year to see he is lost as far as in-game coaching. I'm not sure how he thinks he is gonna win championships when after two seasons, we will most likely only have one conference win. How can you win a championship if you don't win a game?

crshook 10 years, 6 months ago

Took the words out of my mouth... he needs to go back to buffalo

crshook 10 years, 6 months ago

I personaly or however you spell it don't like rich rod because he doesn't graduate his players... Get Leach and if he goes to a terrible school (im talking to you ole miss) get that defensive guy from usf

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

CDEFGHR MU Coach left out a few letters, not funny when you are driving.

71--70-69-68-67-66-MU Coach said he can't do this sober.

When asked what size glasses of wine he had consumed he replied, "Jumbos" and when asked if he was taking any prescriptions, he replied Ambien. It is a sleeping drug, and not to be taken and mixed with booze and not to drive when taking it, just take the pill and go to bed.

Scary dangerous.


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