Tuesday, July 12, 2016

Self says recruiting may get harder

Kansas coach Bill Self yells in the second-half of the Jayhawks 79-63 win over the Maryland Terrapins Thursday, March 24, 2016 in an NCAA Sweet Sixteen matchup at KFC YUM! Center in Louisville, KY.

Kansas coach Bill Self yells in the second-half of the Jayhawks 79-63 win over the Maryland Terrapins Thursday, March 24, 2016 in an NCAA Sweet Sixteen matchup at KFC YUM! Center in Louisville, KY.


DeAndre Ayton, the No. 1-rated basketball player in the recruiting Class of 2017 according to who has a final list of Kansas University, Kentucky and Arizona, says he’ll definitely attend college one year.

“My mom wants me to go to college so I have to go,” the 7-footer from Phoenix Hillcrest High tells

At the same time, Ayton said he has heard “a lot of kids” on the spring/summer AAU circuit talk about perhaps heading overseas like blue-chip 2016 prospect Terrance Ferguson (Australia) or play in the NBA Developmental League if miniscule salaries escalate into the low six-figures.

This talk of elite players continuing to look into ways to avoid attending college for a one-and-done season, of course, makes the job of college coaches even more difficult as they may face stiff competition from new sources in coming years.

“I think it is hard. I think it’s frustrating. I think it’s going in a negative direction,” KU coach Bill Self said of recruiting Monday on KC 810-WHB radio’s “The Program.” “(There’s) so much talk about the developmental league and how they’ll restructure salaries potentially. There are so many other things that could potentially take place that we won’t see college basketball the way it’s been,” Self added. “Even though it’s not the same as it was 20 years ago, it’s going to be so much different 20 years from now than the way it is now. I think all coaches are concerned, especially the ones that are able to be in a Power Five conference and recruit what most people consider to be the most elite guys.”

This would be a bad school year for prospects to sign overseas deals for a year, considering “we are talking about losing six guys potentially, and I think we have one senior in that group,” Self said.

He didn’t name names, but those who could exit with seniors Landen Lucas and Frank Mason III are: Josh Jackson, Devonté Graham, Svi Mykhailiuk and Carlton Bragg Jr.

“We’ve been pretty fortunate here from a consistency standpoint,” Self said. “Consistency is going to continue to be harder and harder as we move forward. Recruiting is never going to get easier,” he added, noting while the state of Kansas has great AAU teams, the state does not churn out a lot of blue-chip high school players because of total population. “It never is easy. With the uncertainty of how long those guys are going to be in school, I think it does make it that much more difficult.”

Newman down for two years: Transfer Malik Newman, who told the Journal-World he would “definitely be there (KU) for two years, my sit-out year and the year that I’ll play,” nonetheless has some fans worried he’ll practice here a year, then turn pro.

“We talked about that. I wanted to make it very clear we were on the same page, and we are. The first thing we covered (in meeting with Newman after he announced plans to transfer from Mississippi State) was, ‘Hey, we’d love for him to come to school here. Even if there’s less of a one percent chance he’d want to go through the NBA Draft process again next year, then we’re out. You need to go somewhere else because we are not going to do that,’’’ Self said.

“There’s nothing in writing. They (Malik and his dad) both gave their word that would definitely not be an option and he was definitely going to play at the University of Kansas,” Self added. “If he were to come in and sit this year and get better and have a great year his first year playing (2017-18), then if he wanted to make that decision if the felt he positioned himself to be a high draft pick, so be it.”

Scholarship update: KU, which has added freshmen Jackson, Udoka Azubuike and Mitch Lightfoot as well as transfers Newman and Evan Maxwell to the roster, still has one scholarship to give in recruiting.

“At this late date, I can’t see us doing anything unless something just fell in our lap,” Self said. “If you can get another transfer, that would always be a positive thing. This would be a time sitting out a year and learning and getting comfortable could be a big benefit to our team next year when we could potentially lose quite a bit of guys. I don’t see anything else happening this year right now.”

Jackson and Wiggins talk: Jackson, who enters college as the country’s No. 1 recruit, has been compared to former one-and-done Andrew Wiggins, the first overall pick in the 2014 NBA Draft.

“I think physically they look a lot alike as far as length and height and build,” Self said. Jackson is 6-foot-8, 207 and the Minnesota Timberwolves’ Wiggins 6-8, 200. “I think that ‘Wiggs,’ (and) this isn’t a knock to Josh, (Wiggins) is a more explosive athlete, and Josh is very athletic. I think Josh is quite a bit better with the ball, but ‘Wiggs’ will probably make some plays you can’t coach. Both are special talents. I’ve got to watch Josh more, but he’s just consistently shooting the ball away from having a chance to be one of those very high if not the No. 1 (pick in draft),” Self added.

Self said he could see Jackson, “being our third point (guard), to be real candid. He has unbelievable vision. He’s probably as good a passer as we have on our team.

“Malik is not a point guard. He’s a prototypical 2-guard. We are going to spend a lot of time working with him getting better with the ball, get him to the point where he can play maybe some combo guard, handle it more, make more plays for himself and others.”

Summer league: Perry Ellis did not play (coaches decision) in Dallas’ 80-69 loss to Toronto on Monday in NBA summer-league action in Las Vegas. ... Brannen Greene did not take a shot while grabbing one rebound in a four-minute stint in Memphis’ 85-81 win over Milwaukee. … Cheick Diallo had five points, seven rebounds and one block in 27 minutes in New Orleans’ 70-66 win over Sacramento. He hit two of eight shots.


Suzi Marshall 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm wondering if the top prep players head over seas or to the DL if we might see better basketball on the collegiate level. Hopefully we'd see more junior and senior laden teams that know how to execute offense and defend against ball screens. It seems more more and more the elite college teams, led by UK, rely on 'the dribble drive' to create offense. It seems the 'dribble drive' is something a team would use with players that don't know how to run any kind of sophisticated offense.

I loathe the situation we are getting into where every year, two at the most, we turn over almost the entire roster. The '12-'13 Withey/Releford/Johnson/Young senior dominated team, along with F-RS BMac, was a pleasure to watch...and our last to make the Final Four.

Eliott Reeder 5 years, 3 months ago

You're getting 11'-12' and 12'-13' mixed up, Suzi. 2013 team lost to Michigan in the Sweet Sixteen, and the previous year, when we lost to UK in champ game, the starters were all non-seniors, I believe, though several were juniors and redshirts.

Ben Berglund 5 years, 3 months ago

You're mostly right, Eliott. 11-12 was the last team to make the F4, and the senior-laden team of 12-13 lost to Michigan (and shoulda won the damn thing!) That 11-12 team did have a senior who contributed a little, though, named Tyshawn Taylor.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 3 months ago

I converged the two as they are the same group of seniors, for the most part that made up the '13 team.

Trey Hohman 5 years, 3 months ago

2003 Self said he could see 19 year old LeBron James, “being our third point (guard), to be real candid. He has unbelievable vision. He’s probably as good a passer as we have on our team."

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 3 months ago

Yeah but didn't he also say that Lebron didn't have the heart for coming back from huge deficits?

Steve Corder 5 years, 3 months ago

Given his accomplishments and credentials, it's foolishness to disagree with Bill Self's analysis. Understanding the expense and time recruiting these kids from their early teens only to potentially lose them to the pros at 17-18 has to be mind-blowingly frustrating to contemplate.

Yet, the choice is the kid's and his family to make. Let the NBA, PLEASE, pay very attractive 6 figure salaries in the D-League or 7 in the foreign markets. If the decision leads to a wash-out and thus a loss from experiencing college (maybe even a paid-in-full degree) then that is the risk accepted.

Either way, KU and Bill Self will not be adversely affected. Ultimately, the recruiting game is against other schools not the NBA.

Dillon Davis 5 years, 3 months ago

Let the them go straight out of high school if they want to. The new draft deadlines can apply to them to and if they back out then they can sign with a school. If they think they're good enough to go to the NBA straight out of high school and then get a reality check when they go through the combine and everything, then chances are they won't go overseas or try to play in the D League. They'll go to college, get better, and then try again the next year or in two years.

Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

When paradigms change it creates an opportunity for the best to it adapt their competition.

For the Chicken Littles who believe that coach Self is rigid and inflexible it will create yet another opportunity for them to be wrong...

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 3 months ago

Jay, as far as I'm concerned, I believe that college basketball will still put out a quality product regardless if the top 25 want to play overseas or in the D league. I think that Self has already proven himself to be very capable of developing players over a multi-year career. Travis Releford, Darnell Jackson, Brady Morningstar, Tyrel Reed, Jamari Traylor and so on...

Let the players make the decision. Overseas, D league or two years of college. I think most fans are tired of the one and done system now in place. They (after high school grads) should be able to make these decisions. I know many will say that players who go directly into the NBA are usually doing so from bad advice. I'm sure that concern is valid but let the D league act like the minor leagues in baseball. I know that this is highly speculative and that there are many pros and cons but the minor leagues in baseball seem to have worked out very well and I think it would also work out well for basketball.

A little off target but college basketball will be just as exciting when watching how much players can develop with the right coach.

Fred Davis 5 years, 3 months ago

Reading between the lines - Self has 2-3 more years here to try and win a title and then he's bouncing to the NBA. He's been an absolute monster since he arrived in Lawrence 13 years ago and no one - not even the most diehard of Jayhawk fans could've predicted the talent and success he's had during his tenure here....

But Self is a Hoops junkie and as the NBA skews younger and younger, it'll be easier for guys like Self to make the transition to the NBA, especially after seeing what Billy Donovan and Brad Stevens have been able to accomplish thus far. And with it becoming more and more difficult - his own words - to recruit and deal with all the BS and ego that goes with it - why not make more money to deal with guys that still have all the ego and BS, without the NCAA restrictions breathing down your neck.... I say enjoy these next couple years because the Sun is beginning to set on the Bill Self Era at Kansas....


Kyle Rohde 5 years, 3 months ago

I don't know that it's actually correct to say the NBA is skewing younger and younger, overall. Yes, there are more one and dones but that trend is going to end when NBA commish Adam Silver gets his wish and they make it a 2 year minimum in the next couple years.

Personally, I still wish they'd adopt the baseball system (go right out of HS or stay at least 3 in college).

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 3 months ago

I think that using the system set up between the MLB and NCAA should also work with the NBA. Minor league baseball has been around for a long time (1868) and has gone through an almost countless numbers of changes but the current system seems to work well for both organizations and the athletes themselves. Players even keep their amateur status except in baseball with the current system RE CJ Henry.

It might not be the perfect solution but it's got to be better than the current.

Chris Shaw 5 years, 3 months ago

What job is Bill Self gonna take in the NBA? His connections with the Spurs run deep and wide but when would Big Poppa be retiring? Big Poppa always said he was retiring when Duncan left the game.

Billy Donovan's timing was almost perfect in OKC. Key word being "Almost". Why was Donovan successful in OKC this past season? He knows the owner and the GM is an old friend. Much in the same fashion as Self's relationships are with Big Poppa and Buford in San Antonio. But KD left and now OKC's decline is inevitable. I may be wrong but no way Westbrook stays in OKC after next season.

Now, Donovan's NBA career isn't looking so stable. Read an interesting article yesterday. Before Pops became Big Poppa he was just a no name coach trying to prove himself. It was the 1998-1999 season and the Spurs were 6-8 in the strike shortened season and rumors were floating around that if hey didn't win their next game, he was gonna be fired and Doc Rivers would be hired.

Tim Duncan and David Robinson stepped up to the plate and saved Big Poppa's job and created what we now know as the Spurs dynasty. NBA is a Players league. Big Poppa said we all just work for Timmy!

I don't see Bill Self leaving for the NBA unless it's the absolute right job and that's pretty few and far between.

Mike Greer 5 years, 3 months ago

I think you nailed the Billy Donovan outlook, it's not so good. They let one of the better role players get away in Ibaka, Durant is gone, and Westbrook likely will not be around after next season, he won't sign an extension. What I would consider their 3 best players gone over 2 years, means an uphill battle.

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 3 months ago

Nice breakdown and analysis. I don't see HCBS heading towards the NBA either. He has continued the program's excellence while establishing his own identity.

Humpy Helsel 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm reading the same thing between those lines. As soon as Tyler graduates is when it is most likely to happen. Given the connections, Pop's retirement at San Antonio might just be the trip wire for him to make the jump. It's inevitable. It is going to happen.

Charles Dillon 5 years, 3 months ago

I say let the pros skim off the best players out of high school. Then maybe we'll have actual STUDENT athletes for a change who will stay and develop for the full four years of college. It will still be an equal playing field at the college level. We might be surprised at the excellent level of play that could come from ordinary players that are not pushed aside by the super stars. I like Bill Self and wish him well, but we don't need multi-million dollar coaches at the college level. College sports will still be competitive and exciting for the fans.

I would also like to see the United States Olympic Committee move to ban the pros from the Olympic basketball team. Let's give the college players a chance. Also, I believe that sports scholarships should be increased to reflect the actual costs of living as a student. By eliminating the one-and-done super stars and improving the economic situation of STUDENT athletes it will go a long way to reducing the corrupting influence of Vegas and Pro sports on college sports.

Jeff Emerson 5 years, 3 months ago

I think deadlines are a key. Let any kid go anywhere, but must decide yes/no to college by some date certain (July of year after he finishes his junior year of h.s. ball) to avoid all the domino effects. That way - college recruiters have a defined pool of targets and the rest are off the table to everyone. (Once declared as 'non-college' then no back-tracking.)

Marius Rowlanski 5 years, 3 months ago

"Transfer Malik Newman, who told the Journal-World he would “definitely be there (KU) for two years, my sit-out year and the year that I’ll play,” nonetheless has some fans worried he’ll practice here a year, then turn pro".

I blasted someone for posting something similar to the above. I don't see how practicing while sitting out a season is a sound strategy. I don't see how anyone, including Newman, would think that transferring with no intention of ever playing for the team that they transferred to would improve their draft position...but I guess I could be wrong.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 3 months ago

Good analysis everybody. A lot of issues but I will pick out Jay for hitting on what is always a key point.

Changes occur all the time throughout life, and the successful people adapt to them. Whether you agree with the trends or not, it will create challenges, and there is no way that the rules are going to get more restrictive of the players' options.

Maybe it is Europe, the DL, or letting them go right out of high school. However, when a kid has the opportunity to make a ton or money and fulfill his dreams, any rule that tries to limit that further would be lawyer's dream for a lawsuit.

David Unekis 5 years, 3 months ago

I think the point that Self is making is that for him and other elite program coaches, they are chasing elite talent that still at least has to play for them for one year. Even if you don't get all of your targets, you will get a few, and some of those (Carlton Bragg, Selden) will play multiple years. If overseas and D-League become attractive options for that set of elite kids, then you still have to recruit them, but there is a very real chance that they opt to skip college, and you end up with nothing. Which means you have to recruit a "B" list, AND they know that they're a B choice for you, because any scholarship offer you give them is likely be conditional on elite talent not showing up. At the same time, the Okie States and the ISUs will be recruiting those same kids as an "A" option for them, so they may be gone by the time you need to make a run at them. The whole thing adds another layer to the multi-dimensional chess game of recruiting for the likes of Self. I'm sure he isn't looking forward to the additional headaches.

It will be important for the rules around timing and commitments to be well-mapped out if the foreign-ball and D-league options become a real thing.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 3 months ago

The same thing about an influx of top HS players headed iverseas for a year was said when Brandon Jennings went to Italy for a year. The same thing was said when Mudiay went to China for a year. The same thing is now being said about Terrance Ferguson. It will be said next year when Billy Preston goes overseas.

The reality is these guys are not trend setters. All of these guys had/have academic issues and they couldn't get eligible to play college basketball which left them with no other opportunity.

The reality is that's not a viable option as teams in the Euro Leagues have limits on how many Americans can be on a team (3 is that limit). China also has a limit of 2 or 3 players depending on where the team finiahed the previous season. The reality is a 28 year old NBA wash out is a more attractive option to an international team than a 17/18 year old kid out of HS because the NBA wash out knows how to play pro ball, is more likely to be woth the club for 2-3 years and would likely produce more on the court than a 17-18 year old will.

The reality is college basketball is still the best path to the NBA for players and the influx of international players in the college game is proof of that. Just look at KU, Sasha Kaun, Joel Embiid, and Cheick Diallo are all guys who who never would have come to America 20 years ago. College basketball provides the most exposure for players, the best opportunity to be scouted, and the best opportunity to play in high pressure situations they'll deal with in the NBA like end game situations, media attention, crazy fans, etc.

We're not going to see an influx of players skip college to voluntarily play internationally when college is an option. Academic eligibility issues will still be the driving force in players skipping college for international ball.

Creg Bohrer 5 years, 3 months ago

I think you're on the money Aaron. They get way more exposure to NBA scouts and playing at a major college markets them for the NBA. There will be a few like you said that have eligibility issues that will go overseas, but I couldn't imagine too many.

Harlan Hobbs 5 years, 3 months ago

You may be totally correct, Aaron, about the academics aspect of the decisions. We know that Brandon Jennings couldn't qualify to get into the University of Arizona (not that hard a school to get into by the way), and I recall that Mudiay was rumored to have the same problem at SMU. Don't know about Ferguson, but it wouldn't surprise me that this was an issue since he was slated to go to Arizona also.

Your comments about the international influx to America is also right on point. I don't see this ending any time soon, if ever.

Bryce Landon 5 years, 3 months ago

Off-topic - Guess who was on with Jim Rome today - former Jayhawk and current Wizard Kelly Oubre:

Mallory Briggans 5 years, 3 months ago

Hey Chris to make a correction on Popovich ,he was actually the GM and he fired Coach Bob Hill and took over the team in 96 after a slow start at the time the spurs only had David Robinson who injured his foot .The spurs were in the lottery the next year and they drafted Tim Duncan.......but to say he was going to be fired in 98 .....not so much

Chris Shaw 5 years, 3 months ago

Mallory, I'm well aware of Big Poppa's GM duties and his first two years coaching prior to the 1998-1999 strike shortened season. With that said, you can read the entire article yourself and you will find you are mistaken.

Here is just a very small portion of this entire article:


Maybe Pop is right. Maybe any coach's system would have worked in San Antonio after two trips to the draft lottery -- one in 1987 and the next in 1997 -- delivered David Robinson and Tim Duncan.

Or maybe the Spurs' story would have been totally different had they lost a regular-season road game to the Houston Rockets on March 2, 1999.

That was during the NBA's first lockout season, which was shortened to 50 games by a work stoppage that nearly consumed all 82. It was also Duncan's second season as a Spur, laden with championship-or-bust expectations, only for the Spurs to stumble from the start to a worrisome 6-8 record.

A popular former Spur named Doc Rivers also happened to be a member of San Antonio's broadcast team in those days. The fans' clamor for Rivers, who was already being billed as a coaching natural, to replace that what-has-he-ever-done Popovich got louder with every loss suffered during the slow start.

But by the time the Spurs were headed to Houston for the 15th game of a truncated schedule that left no time for early slumps, pressure on Pop wasn't coming solely from the public or the media. The belief among many of Pop's players was that the coach was on the brink of being fired. Or being forced, at the very least, to return to a GM-only role.

"It was different from the regular pregame," former Spurs forward Malik Rose said, rewinding back to the game in question against a Rockets team headlined by Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen.

"David [Robinson] usually didn't say much beyond a prayer in the huddle when we brought it all in, but [before this game] David was saying, 'We've got to get it together, we've got to do this, this is a big game.'

"If we lost that game, they were going to fire Pop and bring in Doc ... that was the rumor. I would have to say it was real because of the gravity in the locker room. I'll never forget it."

Said then-Spurs guard Steve Kerr: "I can't say I felt like he was close to getting fired, but there was a lot of discomfort with the way things had started [that season]. Pop wasn't Pop yet. He didn't have a name. The fans still didn't really know who he was."

Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

You can't shake that habit of posting random opinions as facts.

Pop had just added coaching duties to his GM role by firing Hill. This was done with full ownership support. He was under no more pressure than any other NBA exec.

You're just wrong. Be an adult and deal with it.

Chris Shaw 5 years, 3 months ago

Unbelievable! So much for finding an article interesting and referencing it. I'm sorry you're not fully comprehending the timeline of events about the article I'm referencing, but I'm gonna help you. You are correct in that Big Poppa was the GM and fired Bob Hill on December 10, 1996 to take over the head coaching duties after the Spurs started 3-15. No disputing that.

Unfortunately for you, that's not even the time period I was talking about in my post nor was it the time period I was talking about when I said, "Read an interesting article yesterday..." The time period I'm talking about is March 2, 1999 after the spurs had started the season 6-8 in the strike shortened season. If you recall, they only played 50 games that season and that's 2 years and almost 3 months after Big Poppa originally fired Bob Hill to become head coach of the Spurs.

Having said all that, I'm not sure how I'm making stuff up after referencing an article that has specific quotes from former players. If you don't think Big Poppa was gonna be fired during that time or he was gonna step down and return to just his GM role with the organization, you must be reading something different than me. You certainly can form your own conclusions from the quotes that Malik Rose, Steve Kerr, and Avery Johnson gave.

Let me copy the link again for you. Must gonna be a big day for you at KFC! You excited?


Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

You really need help. The article you first offered as proof that Pop was about to be fired ended with a quote from Steve Kerr (who is an NBA coach now in case you missed it..)

"Said then-Spurs guard Steve Kerr: "I can't say I felt like he was close to getting fired...." Do you even read the crap that you post as evidence that you have a clue?

You're arguing with yourself, and losing badly. Again.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 3 months ago

So that means he's also winning right? Or do you even understand the stupidity of your own remarks?

Clearly, you can't understand other people's posts, even when they are explained to you.

You are arguing with yourself....and neither one of you has an effing clue what you are talking about.

Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

I'm sure winning an argument with yourself is something that you and Chris both consider a big (and rare) victory.

Have you considered arguing with each other? That would be a great matchup. You could flip a coin with Chris and take one side or the other....

This is a real opportunity to enhance your self esteem. If (when) you both lose, you could lie about it, in real Hillary fashion.

Let me know when this happens. It has to be hilarious.... This promises to be the solution to the summer off season, better than playing College Baseball in July and August like some idiot suggested..

Chris Shaw 5 years, 3 months ago

Reading is hard apparently. Again, you can form your own conclusions from that portion of the article, "Pop in Peril".

If you want to be specific though...that portion of the article didn't end with the Steve Kerr quote. It actually ended with Avery Johnson's quote.

Said Johnson: "At the end of the day my allegiances were to Pop because he had put such great faith in me. I felt if he would have gotten fired [after replacing Hill], I'd have been one of the reasons he got fired, because I wasn't viewed as a starting point guard that could lead a team to the championship. So I really took that personal. [And] it was the most passionate pregame speech David ever gave. He was foaming at the mouth."

Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

Are you in for the match with Brett? I'm willing to buy the broadcast rights. I'm sure IMG will partner with me on it. This will be awesome!

Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

"Said then-Spurs guard Steve Kerr: "I can't say I felt like he was close to getting fired...."

You and Brett read that together and argue which ever side you choose.... just allow time to set up the pay per view and promotion. We'll call it the Forrest Gump Cup!

You might have to inbox Brett. He seems to have enough sense to disappear (temporarily) when he looks absurd. Thankfully you're not constrained by such self awareness...;)

Mallory Briggans 5 years, 3 months ago

hey chris ....i have a if pop was the head coach as well as gm until 2002 .......would he have to fire himself. in the 98 season...

Chris Shaw 5 years, 3 months ago

He probably would have stepped down and returned to his GM role. Look, all I did was reference the article. You can read it and draw on your own conclusions. If you don't think it was real based on the quotes and the autor's take...then you don't think that. Pretty hard to argue against the rumors that it wasn't "real" or wasn't a possibility based off the article during that time in March of1999.

Jay Scott 5 years, 3 months ago

"Before Pops became Big Poppa he was just a no name coach trying to prove himself. It was the 1998-1999 season and the Spurs were 6-8 in the strike shortened season and rumors were floating around that if hey didn't win their next game, he was gonna be fired and Doc Rivers would be hired. Tim Duncan and David Robinson stepped up to the plate and saved Big Poppa's job and created what we now know as the Spurs dynasty."

Your own thoughts, in your own words, BEFORE you pulled out the article that offered opinions both in support and against your idea.

Chris. You'll have a great time debating Brett. Bouncing from clueless to dishonest and back will be your common ground!

Who will win the Forrest Gump Cup!

Chris Shaw 5 years, 3 months ago

Maybe you should have included "Read an an interesting article yesterday" when you try to quote me. Did you forget that part? Of course you did. You're worse than a media soundbite.

Again, you have a very big issue with reading comprehension. It's even in your own post using my words which you simply, for whatever reason, can't comprehend..."Rumors were floating around".

You have anything else you would like to misquote or misinterpret?

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