Wednesday, March 28, 2012

Just how do KU and Ohio State match up — off the court

Brutus Buckeye is the Ohio State mascot, seen here performing during the first half of an East regional NCAA college basketball tournament second round game against Texas-San Antonio Friday, March 18, 2011, in Cleveland.

Brutus Buckeye is the Ohio State mascot, seen here performing during the first half of an East regional NCAA college basketball tournament second round game against Texas-San Antonio Friday, March 18, 2011, in Cleveland.


Perhaps some of you will be going to the Final Four in New Orleans this week, where surely you’ll run into an Ohio State Buckeye.

If so, ask them this: Why are you such a worthless nut?

No, we’re not trying to arrange for you to come back with a souvenir black eye. On the contrary, Ohio State boosters apparently take some pride in being worthless nuts. The Journal-World dug deep into its research budget this week to find out more about the Buckeyes — Kansas University’s opponent on Saturday night — and we decided to start with the actual Buckeye. As in, what the heck is it?

Brutus Buckeye is Ohio State’s beloved mascot, which is why we were a bit surprised with how Ohio State’s official Web site described an actual Buckeye.

For those of you who have let your Arbor Day Foundation membership expire, a Buckeye is a tree that grows well in the Ohio River Valley. The folks at the OSU media relations department try to sell the value of the Buckeye, noting that for years — until a little something called plastic came along — artificial limbs were made out of Buckeye wood. They even noted some believed carrying a Buckeye nut in your pocket would ward off rheumatism.

But finally, the Ohio State site just comes out and says it: “However, in general, the trees and its nuts are of little practical use: the wood does not burn well, the bark has an unpleasant odor, and the bitter nut meat is mildly toxic.”

Geez, it makes you wonder whether Ohio State offers a marketing degree.

Thankfully they don’t write the copy for our beloved Jayhawk mascot, which according to KU’s official Web site is “a mythical bird with a fascinating history.”

Here’s a look at some other potential conversation-starters about Ohio State and KU, as culled from both universities’ Web sites.

Size doesn’t matter (at least that’s the hope)

Ohio State University has the third-largest enrollment of any university in the country with 56,867 students at its Columbus campus. KU’s fall 2011 enrollment totaled 23,966 at its Lawrence campus.

How many lawn mowers does that take?

Ohio State isn’t just big in terms of enrollment numbers. The campus itself is expansive. The Columbus campus stretches over 1,765 acres. KU’s Lawrence and West Campus sites total 871 acres.

A little late to the party

Both universities are members of the prestigious American Association of Universities, but a Buckeye was in line behind a Jayhawk on that one. KU has been a member since 1909, OSU since 1916. Part of that may be that Kansas University is six years older than Ohio State University, which was established by the legislature in 1870.

Research leaders

Ohio State had $828.5 million in research expenditures versus $346.7 million for KU. According to a fiscal year 2009 ranking, Ohio State ranked eighth among all public universities in terms of research expenditures. KU ranked 50th among public institutions. (But Ohio State’s medical school probably received at least $200 million in research grants to debunk that Buckeye cure for rheumatism.)

The Rhodes more traveled

Despite its size advantage, Ohio State trails KU in the number of Rhodes Scholars that have attended the university. Ohio State has had five. KU’s Rhodes Scholars now number 26, with the latest coming in 2011. Technically, the Rhodes Scholarship folks note that with the way Rhodes scholarships are apportioned across the country it really isn’t fair to compare the totals of universities, and yada, yada, yada.

Call it red, already

Ohio State’s official school colors are listed as scarlet and grey. Scarlet, not red. One thing is for sure. It certainly isn’t crimson.


The Kansas University Endowment Association is part of the $1 billion club with 2011 investments totaling $1.25 billion. But Ohio State University is part of the $2 billion club, with investments totaling $2.12 billion.

More money

The larger Ohio State University has an operating budget of $5.01 billion, compared to KU’s budget of $1.12 billion. OSU gets 18.2 percent of its revenues from tuition and student fees, compared to 21.1 percent for KU.

Less money

Typical in-state tuition and fees for undergraduates at Ohio State University totals $9,309 per year, compared to $9,222 at KU. Out-of-state rates are $24,204 for Ohio State and $22,608 per year for KU.

Rankings review

U.S. News and World Report ranks Ohio State at No. 55 among all national universities — both public and private. The publication ranks KU at No. 101. And here I thought we were both No. 2 seeds.

Hey, do we get a microphone?

College basketball fans are probably already aware that CBS college basketball analyst Clark Kellogg is an Ohio State alum. But fans may not be aware that he serves on Ohio State University’s board of trustees. (So does the leader of the Smuckers jelly company.) Kellogg is scheduled to announce the Final Four game, but that surely won’t cause a problem. He’s a pro, and I bet KU folks will even help him out if he needs it.

Like if he has a rules question. KU folks, I believe, know where to find a copy of the basketball rules.


whitechocolate 6 years, 2 months ago

You should also conduct a poll to see what percentage of Ohio State fans realized they had a basketball program.

Warren 6 years, 2 months ago

Thank goodness I will be at the game. I can't stand Clark Kellogg. He is the expert of saying "If Kansas hits more shots than the other team, they have a pretty good chance of winning the game"

Jeffery Barrett 6 years, 2 months ago

As bad as Clark is, he's 100 times better than Vitale or Knight!

6 years, 2 months ago

If you know anyone who lives in Ohio or is from there, they will tell you there is no sports program (including professional) in the state that has more fans than tOSU. They are mostly football fans, but like their basketball too.

justinryman 6 years, 2 months ago

The university of Kansas is 42 miles closer to the Merced Benz Super Dome than The Ohio State University is.

Hank Cross 6 years, 2 months ago

Ohio State also holds the "honor" of losing the BCS Championship and the BB NC to Florida in the same year. IIRC the only other school to win a BCS game and the BB NC in the same year was......

nasto3 6 years, 2 months ago

Wow this article was a complete waste of time. It'll be funny when you tuck your tails between your legs after losing to OSU. KU fans are constantly living in the past and obviously the worst at attempting to make themselves look more prestigious than another school.

Vernon Riggs 6 years, 2 months ago

Don't you mean THE Ohio State University? Talk about posing. you can major in it at THE Ohio State University.

whitechocolate 6 years, 2 months ago

What should I tuck if I have a docked tail?

HawksWin 6 years, 2 months ago

Hey Nasty, One has to know where he came from so that he may know who he is, and to know where he is going. Do you know what heritage, ancestry, legacy or tradition mean? You wouldn't be in this world without your parents, and their parents, and so on. So too in basketball. In fact, you should thank and be respectful to KU because without KU, there would be no basketball or NCAA tournament (thanks to Phog Allen) as you know today. So, stop your childish babble and when your mother's milk is dried in your head (as in when you become a mature basketball fan), come and share with us what you learned. Good luck to your team this Sat.

Kye Clark 6 years, 2 months ago

Just make sure Sullinger mans up this time instead of straining his mangina and sitting out the game again, thus giving you trolls another excuse to hide behind. Come Saturday, you're going to think you're facing another SEC football team in your bowl game with the beating we lay on you!

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 2 months ago

"KU fans are constantly living in the past..."

Of the four team in the Final Four: Which school has the most recent Title? KU - 2008 Which school has the least recent Title? OSU -1960

In fact, 2 out of KU's 5 titles are most recent than the lonely, 52 years you have. In any case, what are you going to do when you lose? Stick a buckeye up your...well, you know what?

6 years, 2 months ago

I wonder why Kimberly English chose nasto3 as a screen name? Anyway, I guess he probably has a lot of free time on his hands since the scheduled trip to Zou Orleans didn’t materialize.

JayHawkFanToo 6 years, 2 months ago

nastos3 - That what she calls that time (days) of the month

Brak 6 years, 2 months ago

I'll be near the tOSU campus in a couple weeks, any suggestions where I could get a good deal on some Tattoos. I don't have any money but I do have some participation ribbons from elementary school field day and a church league bowling trophy.

Hank Cross 6 years, 2 months ago

OH is the biggest POS state in the union. It had a war with MI and it lost and got stuck with Toledo. You can crack on KS for being flat, but OH is no tourist destination. Plus, the KS river never caught fire b/c of pollution.

As for the THE ohio state university, it's the Most Overrated Program in the Most Overrated Conference. The rest of the country got sick of watching the SEC destroy osu in the BCS championship. I doubt Bama would've let the suckeyes get a first down if they played in the BCS title game this year.

Steve Gantz 6 years, 1 month ago

Hey Lebron James didn't leave Kansas, now did he? He left Ohio.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 2 months ago

One stat you forgot:

Our basketball coach is 3 gazillion times better than theirs.

Sam Constance 6 years, 2 months ago

Why would you even run the risk of favoritism by having an alum of either school call the game between the two? I would have loved to hear Kevin Harlan calling the game (or ANY of KU's games), but I understand the obvious conflict of interest that creates.

Even if Kellogg is the most professional sports broadcaster to step into a booth, he is human. Humans make mistakes. Humans have subconscious quirks

I will never understand the idiocy that exists in the highest ranks of the sports media world. CBS has an ARMY of analysts, and if the issue is wanting to have one of their marquee guys on the Final Four... well guess what!? There's ANOTHER game to be called.


Tony Bandle 6 years, 2 months ago

OOOHHH, to be the tuba player who dots the 'i" at football games...he always gets the girls!!!

This is for real, but did anyone see the Time Magazine NCAA brackets filled out based on scholastics!!! They took the initial 64 qualified basketball schools and compared them head to head.

The Final Four was Lehigh, Davidson, Kansas and Texas with Kansas beating Texas and Davidson beating Lehigh in the semi's.

Kansas University wins that bracket also, beating out Davidson, although Davidson just missed a buzzer beating book report about Global Warming. They said Al Gore invented it!!!!

Robert Moore 6 years, 2 months ago

Some Facts about a Jayhawk Family.

I originally wanted to go the THE OSU, but chose the Jayhawks instead. Thank you Lord.

My family has lived in Ohio since around 1800. No one has ever attended THE OSU.

My daughter was the 12 th member of our family to be a Jayhawk. In her yard in Texas she has an 8ft. blow up Jay.

Go Hawks, Stomp on THE OSU.

justinryman 6 years, 1 month ago

Where oh where did she find an 8ft Jay?

I would love to have one inNebraska to peck down all those inflatable Herbies or lil reds they have bouncing around annoying the *&^% out of me.

But in Texas thats completely EPIC!

Robert Moore 6 years, 2 months ago

Some Facts about a Jayhawk Family.

I originally wanted to go the THE OSU, but chose the Jayhawks instead. Thank you Lord.

My family has lived in Ohio since around 1800. No one has ever attended THE OSU.

My daughter was the 12 th member of our family to be a Jayhawk. In her yard in Texas she has an 8ft. blow up Jay.

Go Hawks, Stomp on THE OSU.

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