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Wednesday, September 14, 2011

Keegan

Big East best bet for KU

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Now that the Big 12 appears closer than ever to death, the obvious question becomes which direction makes the most sense for Kansas University. All indications are north is not an option because the Big Ten isn’t interested. So it boils down to east or west.

This conference realignment mess is all about football, remember? Well, it is for most universities, but for KU, it always has to be about men’s basketball because that program markets the university more significantly than the rest of the teams combined. The history is that rich, the success that mind-boggling, the coach that telegenic.

So, east or west?

Easy. East. Exposure falls way short for basketball programs that play out west, in part because the games are played too late for much of the country to follow and in part because most of the high-profile announcers who promote the game so relentlessly don’t live out there.

OK, so the Jayhawks can’t go north and have reason not to want to go west. So they go east, but to which conference, the Big East or the ACC?

The ACC wins that battle academically, and the allure of playing Duke and North Carolina twice a year in basketball certainly can’t be denied.

Nice destination, but the ACC isn’t the Big East in basketball because no conference is the Big East in basketball. Look what Jim Calhoun has been able to do with his coaching talent and the bright Big East lights at a school that didn’t have a great basketball tradition before his arrival. Calhoun has won three national titles in the past 13 years and won his first at the age of 56. Playing in the Big East prepares teams better for the NCAA Tournament than any conference. Calhoun won his third national title even though the Huskies were no better than a No. 9 seed in the Big East tournament.

Kansas plays in the Big East, and it brings the success it already is encountering recruiting in the East up a couple of notches. It also brings so much exposure to the university — some New Yorkers will fall in love with the Jayhawk mascot, others will fall in love with hating it — that in the long run it will improve the school’s academic standing by increasing the number of out-of-state applicants.

What do all the biggest names in Big East basketball coaching — Calhoun, Jim Boeheim, Rick Pitino — have in common? Every one of them is at least 10 years older than Self. When they retire, the Big East still will be the Big East, but it won’t be their Big East. It will be Self’s.

Some think the 20-team basketball conference would feature five four-team pods in which each school plays pod-mates twice a year and some, but not all, other schools once a year. Here’s a better idea: Play a 20-game conference schedule with a pair of games against a designated rival and one game against everybody else. Coaches would hate it because it would taint their winning percentages, but networks would love it because Big East games draw big ratings, the more games the better.

A football West Division in which Kansas joins Cincinnati, Kansas State, Louisville, Missouri and TCU has appeal.

Missouri needs to get over itself, realize the Big Ten isn’t interested and convince KU to continue the great rivalry by making the jump to the Big East.

Comments

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 3 months ago

There is the small matter of 5-10 million dollars per year (for ever and ever) difference between acc/PAC compared to the big east.

Meh,,,details.

TXBBall55 3 years, 3 months ago

+1000

The Big East would be a disaster. A death sentence in fact.

Aaron North 3 years, 3 months ago

The big east has an old deal that will be renegotiated next year. With 3 from the big 12 and TCU to form a solid 12/20 BCS conference, they would be due for a very big payday.

Using their current outdated under-market deal as an argument against the Big East is just silly.

ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 3 months ago

We've had two games this year. One was on the Internet because some av nerd hacked the jumbotron and bugged the radio feed. The other was on fox sports uni bomber and the biggest advertiser was miracle socks. And the big east wants us to add revenue to their tv contract! I'm not sure tv execs and Madison avenue are going to go to crazy with the next big east contract. Our best bet is to piggy back on either UT or OU. Whoever offers first.

kevz87 3 years, 3 months ago

No that's dumb. U tie the wagon with mizzou. We go out west we dominate in ball which means dont get big recruits because the competition is weak. Also big east would love us and mizzou because with tv we would get most of st Louis and 90% of Kansas city then everything from Columbia to kc. Wide tv market. Ku needs the big east could compete somewhat in football and to have Pitt, Syracuse, uconn come to the phog! Big time programs = cha ching for our school and big east. Why go to the west and get crushed in football? Tv executives would kill for our bball program. And by the way no body in Hollywood or Arizona would care about our football program either.

gardenjay 3 years, 3 months ago

The argument that western schools have no basketball tradition doesn't fly. Also, KU doesn't fit in the east coast tradition in any way, shape or form. Kansas is formed by people migrating FROM there to form a new life. If anything we belong in a west coast conference.

Besides, TV revenue rules. None of us has any say in it. Big Money will guide this to where it will end up even if KU tried to do something different. If it can blow up a conference, it will make new ones. Not that I'm happy. I liked the Big 12 and thought it would go on forever, but money is a disease.

Joseph Kuebel 3 years, 3 months ago

Best option for the Big East and basketball TV ratings... Il give u that. Best option for KU? I don't believe the child prodigy got this one. After all his favorite children's book is Great Expectations.

Best option for KU, a much better chance at continued dominance, and just as much if not more positive national exposure (as we saw UCLA retain a top 10 ranking in 2008-2009 and were about as deserving of that as a 7-9 "playoff" team).

$. It's what this is all about, right? Granted the East coast does have major viewer ratings, buuut... That's why the rich ny kids go to Miami. A new contract for B.E. football?? Unlikely.

Last, if KU were to be part of a the PAC, OSU, OU, CU, UTAH, AU AND ASU (MU- AS TT is worth as much as Baylor without UT and leach) would be in their pod. That's 7 home and away vs 1 hr difference for half the conference (I KNOW CU MST time was never a big issue, can't imagine that changing). Next 8 games vs. West pod, 4 at home, 4 in PST- 2 of which will be weekends and daytime games 2 games a year for late games??? A non-issue.

Last, We fit culturally in the west better than the East... But there are $ reasons as reasons 1-10. Besides that the B.E. is next to blow up.

Should have argued: 1. Possible new contract in B.E. 2. Higher likelihood of KU going to Big East 3. KU being able to do create a football name for themselves given the talent level 4. High viewer rating in an east coast market. 5. KUs travel time from KC to Cali possibly affecting play (even tho most of our games would be in MST-AS even az is mtn time). 6. Big East competition would def help in tournament play, ala Uconn last yr...

I'd prefer to see our Hawks continue to have less competition in the Pac and I think that a mediocre 11-5 Uconn conference record just wouldn't be what it takes to expand the Jayhawk brand.

Travis Clementsmith 3 years, 3 months ago

Horrible reasoning. Competition is not driving realignment, market and money are. The money will be either in the PAC or the ACC if Texas is serious. Big East should be the last resort. Its not a bad resort, its just not 5 star.

Travis Shinkle 3 years, 3 months ago

I agree. The ACC or the PAC should be ahead of the Big East for both basketball and football. The ACC for football would be a good match for us.

JayBoi2011 3 years, 3 months ago

This is the old Keegan I knew and hate so much. How dumb do you have to be to think the Big East is the BEST option. I would seriously consider the Mountain West before the Big East. That's how bad that conference is.

Steve Gantz 3 years, 3 months ago

Now joining the Mountain West sounds dumb.

lama 3 years, 3 months ago

The BIg East is awful. It will blow up, there are huge problems with the basketball-only schools, and the money is worse. Big East should be the last resort.

79ictjhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

Aside from the money, I think you're right Keegan - the Big East is the better fit - after the Big 12 that is. The next best thing is for the remaining teams of Big 12 to bring in some new teams to replace whoever leaves, I hope they can pull it off.

pepper_bar 3 years, 3 months ago

The message board posters are writing better columns about realignment than Keegan. The Big East is the consensus pick to be next in line for obliteration after the Big XII is picked apart.

Aaron North 3 years, 3 months ago

A lot of message board posters have fallen for a classic case of groupthink where they have convinced themselves of silly "facts", including the assumption that the Big East's deal next year will somehow be garbage.

Any writer who has not fully bought in to the groupthink consensus is mocked... until the powers that be surprise everyone with decisions that were not expected. At that point the message board posters will all just conveniently forget that they were completely wrong, and a new internet groupthink set of assumptions will emerge.

100 3 years, 3 months ago

I've seen this too. It's not shocking but it's like reading a daily regurgitation from sportscenter.

The biggest thing the talking heads are missing is the biggest part of it all. If OU & UT stay together in the Big 12, there (truly remarkable) legacies remain intact into the forseeable future. It's a foundation that's already put into place. Something that's not worth uprooting due to the success of the previous hundred years.

Business guys, Posters & ESPN can talk money all they want; money is indeed quite obviously a huge mover. And for the record, both are doing fairly well as it is. But this is a bigger decision than the next 5 years. We are talking 50. Money is not "the only mover", especially when you have a brand like UT or OU. It is very similar to a lot of business questions though... Some questions are... Is this a wise investment? Is this a good purchase? Would your loyal customers really continue to fully enjoy this product to it's fullest 10 years after "the catwalk"?

But for institutions like OU & UT... Wouldn't you think the "aura" of their respectful football legacies factor into this in some way?

Because due to those, that's how they have put themselves in this position to begin with.

So why risk becoming a wallflower in the PAC? Why risk "blending in" as the years go by (as the PAC is already known for)?

Oh I think surely UT & OU would be much more than above average. I think on average they would lose 3 games a year in the PAC (simply from the exhaustion of traveling 3,000 barfing miles to play games in random stadiums in the rainforests & deserts, with fans & fast kids on unranked teams known for knocking off # 1's).

That is what this needs to be about for UT & OU. On their best years in the PAC, they would lose 2 games a piece.

If UT & OU are both OK not playing for national championships anymore & their fans are ok not traveling to watch them anymore, then go join the PAC!

Sam Constance 3 years, 3 months ago

Exactly. Just like last year all over again.

"What....? You mean the Big 12 isn't going to shatter into a million pieces like we were GUARANTEED!?!?"

This whole conference realignment storyline is as perfect as you can get for illustrating the ridiculous nature of modern-day sports journalism. It's more of an entertainment pursuit than standard news, so the arbiters of said news have fewer qualms about tossing out whatever rumor-fueled "fact" that they heard from Unnamed Source X.

At one point yesterday, there were "reports" on ESPN that had "inside" information that directly opposed each other.

I think the thing that annoys me the most about it is how so many fans are looking at it like the latest fashion trend or fad. It's interesting or neat because STUFF IS CHANGING!!!! They are more enamored by the fact that KU might have a new set of conference opponents in basketball than they are about the real-life logistical disaster that it would mean to have the Jayhawks playing in a coastal league, while being located in the very center of the continental U.S.

Eric Dawson 3 years, 3 months ago

According to the majority of "experts" (kindly note the " "), when the Big 12 implodes, the football $$ out there will serve as almost pure O2 for an expansion fire that will sweep major college football. But aside from the remnants of the Big 12, where will those new conference members for the Big 10 and SEC -- and probably ACC, which seems pretty darn stable with its vote to increase departure penalties and its reported interest in adding tu -- come from?

They aren't going to want lesser programs from eastern conferences like C-USA, the Sun Belt or the MAC. They will decimate the Big East by going after candidates like:

SEC -- South Florida, Pitt, Louisville or WVU; Big 10: Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse and maybe even UConn or Pitt (over Penn State's loud objections).

And then the ACC -- and the Pac1# -- will be looking at growing, too, so there's a scramble there, but for who? The left over Big 12 teams?

If and when the balloon goes up, the Big 10 and the SEC will move forward on expansion. Hopefully KU will go to one or the other (I still like the idea of KU v UK in hoops as a desirable conference media match to Duke v Chapel Hill), or the Pac1#, and not the the adjacent projected burial plot of the Big East or anywhere with tu.

Joseph Kuebel 3 years, 3 months ago

Rutgers to the B1G???? Maybe in 1993... I'd take that bet and give you any 15:1 payout on any amt you want up to 50gs.

Next: South Florida, really? Did MIAMI get death penalty? Not yet, but even if they did USF is still a no go to the SEC.

Besides that, Uconn or Cuse to the B1G? Maybe the ACC, but no way it happens... But no way they get an offer to the B1G.

KU to the SEC to okay UK? No chance at all. That is just inconcievable... Louisville has good enough academics to get into the SEC (like Kstate), but also like Kstate they aren't in too much discussion. WVU is a possibility and WV is hillbilly enough of a state to fit as they wear the orange hunting gear the first day of hunting season that definitely qualifies them.

Besides that, Pitt won't get the B1G invite, PSU is furthur East, but they don't have the legendary history which is what the B1G has been demanding lately.

Besides that? Notre Dame may go the the B1G, one day! Hey, 2 outta 11 is possible!

DevilHawk 3 years, 3 months ago

Storyline for the rest of the week: The Big East dissolves before anything else happens in the Big 12.

Ted Adams 3 years, 3 months ago

Here are some facts that most are missing.

1) The PAC Large has to get its TV partners to fork over yet more money in order to bring in new members. The bylaws require any current members to receive the same money even with the addition of any new member. At some point, the TV folks are going to stop opening the checkbook, and the time could be now because...

2) Assuming A&M is already gone and if OU and OSU leave (see #1), why should the other 7 teams walk away from all the exit fees and the $20-25million each the Big XII TV contracts provide? By the way, the current TV deal for the Big XII isn't going to change as long as the Big XII is working towards getting back to 10 teams or more. The TV boys aren't looking to get sued. If they have to give more money to the SEC and PAC Large to make up for additional schools and keep each current member at the same level they are today, they could be seen as part of the cause for losses incurred by BU, KU, KSU, ISU and MU.

3) How many non-BCS, independent, Big East or even ACC schools would be interested in the giant cash cow that the Big XII would be at 9 or even 7 current members? The exit fees could be a very nice kicker to entice several schools from many areas to join. BYU, Boise St, Air Force from the West, any or all of the Big East schools and even some ACC schools would be crazy not to take a hard look considering how much more they would get from the Big XII TV package. The Big East TV deal is only 20% of the Big XII's current TV deal per member school, and if, per chance, the Big East FB schools joined up with the remaining 7 Big XII schools, the money would possibly go up considering they would then have a link to the East coast and the New York TV market. Move TCU to the west division and voila.

4) The LHN just started, and Texas isn't going to let it go. Not until they see what can be done with it and how it can help them for the future. If we were 3-5 years down the road, they might be willing to change it or dump it altogether, but it's too early. Texas is in the power position, and it wouldn't be like them to go and "join" someone else's deal when they hold all the cards to bring teams into "their deal" instead.

All of this being said, logic is NOT ruling the day in any of this. It seems that since the word superconference came on the scene over a decade ago, the media has been pushing it as inevitable and everyone drank the koolaid. It is turning into a self-fulfilling prophecy. Looking 3 years down the road, what happens to schools that find themselves at the bottom of the standings year after year? We are already seeing some dissension among the have-nots of the Big East in basketball.Is it impossible to think some won't leave in order to have a chance at be relevant and start drawing fans again?

Bottom line is OU and Texas hold the cards, and the biggest money is in the Big XII. I can't see UT throwing all the money away if they can get other BCS schools to join up.

Joseph Kuebel 3 years, 3 months ago

  1. The Big 12 loses its TV deal. If you lease a Lexus and the dealer gives you a Hyundai you go to court, and win. Now there could be countersuits by BIG 12 schools against other member institutions for breach of contract. But the tv network can't be held responsible for paying a contract that they didn't agree to. The $ schools are in the money, and that's what it comes down to.

  2. (See #1)

  3. (See #1)

  4. (See #1)

Conclusion: See #1. No OU, no contract, no Big 12. Bank on it.

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 3 months ago

I'm 100% with you on this one, no way the tv execs pay that kind of money for Iowa State-Baylor matchups.

jgkojak 3 years, 3 months ago

No-- because the TV entities who have the contract were a party to its being broken.

In other words, they had a roll in the enticement of OU/OSU, etc. to change conferences, meaning that if the TV partners break the deal, they WILL be sued and they WILL lose - and all sorts of ugly anti-trust violating scheming will be revealed in any sort of discovery process, leading to more charges.

(i.e. if ESPN and/or FOX colluded together or with a partner school to end the contract)

No way they want that public - they'll happily keep the current B12 deal. Its also in their interest to see where it leads. If a 7 member B12 is able to grab BYU, for instance, its still a better football conference than the Big East.

Ted Adams 3 years, 3 months ago

This is exactly what I was talking about. I also forgot to mention this precedent was set last year when NU and CU left and the TV deal stayed the same for Tier 1 rights. ESPN/ABC didn't want anything to do with being seen as a part of CU or NU leaving since they, in turn, had to increase funds to the PAC and B1G.

FreddyinLA 3 years, 3 months ago

Agree. You have to be really stupid to walk away from a multi-year, multi-million dollar TV deal, unless there is specific language requiring UT and OU be in the Big 12.

I agree with another comment on keeping the Big 12 a conference comprised of Midwestern schools. The east and west coast fans could care less about teams in close proximity to the Great Plains.

100 3 years, 3 months ago

Excellent points KU.

I'll add too (because the people behind the scenes at OU & UT surely know the truth), OU, too, would be absolutely nuts to walk away from the big 12. They might not love UT's strong-arming, but guess who is #1 in the country right now?

OU would become a wallflower after a decade in the PAC. It's just the way the PAC is designed plus the added fact that OU would be at a major competitive disadvantage with 3,000 mile trips.

Why would OU risk it's incredible football legacy?

Biggest question OU president should be asking his panel:

"What happens in 10 years when we're 7-4 every year in the PAC & we don't have our own network? Do we then put our tail between our legs and go back to the Big 12?"

klineisanazi 3 years, 3 months ago

Pac 16, SEC, or B1G offer the best hope of stability. The Big East will be raided. Oh, there will probably be some form of the conference, but it will be a collection of the cast-offs that can't find another home, until it devolves into a form of the Mountain West. If KU has a chance for the Pac 16 it had better jump at it.

Joseph Kuebel 3 years, 3 months ago

Pac 16 is the best option. Id also say, if we separate from Kstate we will be happy, and if we do not... It doesn't look good... Anywhere but here or the big east.

LogicMan 3 years, 3 months ago

"So, east or west?"

Just because the Big 10 isn't saying things publicly, don't assume nothing is being decided upon there. They are old and wise, and can see the future is 16 (or more) team conferences and a FB playoff system.

So, yes, KU/MU have a shot there or the PAC-?? if they play their cards right and other things happen like UT goes to the ACC. Both the PAC-?? and Big 10 are looking landlocked and need to move quickly, and hopefully are behind the scenes.

But if all fails, this fan would prefer to see KU stay in a reformed Big 12+/-, with teams added from the MWC, TX, the BigLeast, etc. to make a regional conference that we can compete well in. We'd be the big dog then.

willie_fu_fu 3 years, 3 months ago

I just wonder...

1 Why BYU isn't getting any mention to join the Pac 12

2 Where has Dan Beebe gone? I would think he would atleast make some announcements about what's going on and what he's doing to bring in new teams.

3 If Kansas is becomming a hot commodity would a conference take us over Missouri, say like in a package of OU, OSU, TTech and KU to Pac 12 or Texas and KU to ACC?

4 to me it would make more sense for teams like KU, KSU, MU, ISU and Baylor to join or merge with the Mountain West to form a 12 team conference and take the automatic BCS slot and bowl Tie ins vacated by the breaking up of the Big 12.

Conference would look like East Kansas Kansas State Iowa State Missouri Baylor New Mexico

West Colorado State Wyoming Boise State San Diego State UNLV Air Force

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 3 months ago

I read yesterday that BYU was turned away by the PAC because they don't want the Mormon affiliation in the PAC. I don't know how valid that is, but I did read it.

oldalum 3 years, 3 months ago

I read something similar, but it wasn't that they are Mormon, it's that they won't play games on Sunday. Pac10 officials don't want someone they are always going to have to schedule around. Getting all those games scheduled is hard enough without having one team that has special scheduling requirements.

blackhawkjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

KU will stay in the Big 12, we'll add 4 or 5 teams and cash in on the already signed contract.

Hammertoe 3 years, 3 months ago

that's the best idea. maybe OU and Texas will come to their senses. The have had it made in the Big 12. Be careful what you wish for...as my mamma would say. Change isn't always a good thing.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 3 months ago

Unless you find it in the cushions of your sofa!!

Jonathan Allison 3 years, 3 months ago

I think that the big east is a bad idea.

Why? Because I hate the big east.

Also, Tom Keegan didn't mention his real reason that he is so in love with the big east.

Marquette. It would mean that he could see KU play Marquette every other year or so. I'd rather the ACC than the big east.

doolindalton 3 years, 3 months ago

Yea, finally some common sense. The Big East is easily the best conference for KU because of its basketball tradition and exposure. Plus we could watch the games against Georgetown and UConn early as opposed to waiting to 9 p.m. for a start. With the addition of KU, missery and K-State, it will be a very good football conference.

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 3 months ago

If Misery is your best brand in football, the term "very good" will rarely be used when referring to Big East football.

FlintHawk 3 years, 3 months ago

"Very good" is also not yet a phrase that people use when referring to KU football. A poster on Tait's updates said a couple of days ago that the BE would give KU football (Gill) a chance to develop into "very good," so that we would be more competitive and more attractive overall nationwide.

My opinion — which is worth as much as my fellow posters but not as much as Keeg's — is that the BE is a favorable alternative. From a national perspective, it seems we're the wallflower slumping in a dark corner, and I still believe that the PAC 10-14 is not interested in asking us to dance, nor is the Big 10. KU fans need to face up to our limited options.

Finally, yeah, it's so secret that Keegan is a huge Marquette fan and that he's from the region. Seems to me he might be more knowledgeable and better informed than we are about the Big East.

doolindalton 3 years, 3 months ago

Pittsburgh Syracuse USF West Virginia Cincinnati Connecticut Louisville Rutgers Kansas K-State Missouri

No OUs or Nebraskas, but still a very good football conference.

jhawkrulz 3 years, 3 months ago

I still believe that where ever UT ends up, is where KU goes.

UT to the ACC-so goes KU, UT goes to the BIG Ten, so goes KU.

The reasoning is the key behind the five remaining schools (KU,KSU,ISU,MU,BU). The bylaws protect the conference with five remaining schools. Assuming the other 4 have offers and UT is left.

They are going to take one more school with them, to protect themselves from the exit fees. Of the remaining schools, KU brings enticements to the North and East.

I don't think that UT will go to the PAC 12 because of the LHN and that opens so many more conferences up. I think the ACC is a bigger option for UT than most people think. I think emotions are getting out there. It is hard to negotiate with your rivals, and they might just be upset enough to part ways with OU and TAM all in one year.

I also fear that OSU might not be as good of a position as they might think they are. I could see them applying to the PAC 12, and being denied. Personally, I don't see how how they add OU and OSU into the PAC 12 and still maintain the money out there.

I think if the PAC 12 had already said we want both of you, they would have applied. I think the PAC 12 has balked at both of them and that is delaying the process.

Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 3 months ago

The NCAA should decide to pluck three teams from each of three conferences: Big East, ACC and Pac 10 and throw in KU, KSU and MIZZ. This would make a great new conference that would compete on a more level field with those and other conferences.

David Atchley 3 years, 3 months ago

The smart money is on Texas going to the ACC...and its as simple as the ACC is an ESPN Network Conference. The Board of Regents at Texas like the Academic rankings of the schools in the ACC as compared to the PAC 12, but the bottom line is UT and ESPN are a $300M dollar "partner" and the ACC with the history and relationships football coach Mack Brown and basketball coach Rick Barnes have from their past in the ACC it appears to make the most sense from a nonsensical situation.

It also appears if UT goes to the ACC, that Kansas may follow when all along, Texas Tech had been mentioned to be grouped with UT. Seems the Kansas basketball fans will be in a Conference with Duke, North Carolina, Georgia Tech Mark Turgeon's Terrapins, Florida State, Miami, not to mention the Longhorns.

This is why fighting for the Big 12 Conference vs. it becoming a yard sale is critical to all schools. Kansas basketball superiority if it ends up in the ACC, will be a blood-bath in that conference. However, it will arguably be the best basketball conference in the history of the game. UT and Kansas traveling 1000s of miles to play in their new conference makes no sense for all involved.

blindrabbit 3 years, 3 months ago

I've lived in Maryland, Virginia and Pennsylvania and can only hope that KU does not end up in a conference that is centered there. If you have lived back East and understand their antipathy towards the Plains States, the eastern bias and snobbery you would agree with me. To think that KU would retain all of it's basketball prestige is also a unlikely with the Dukes, North Carolinas, Maryland competing for players and press. Also, there is little likelihood that any additional improvement in the football program could be expected.

On the contrary a move West would allow KU to recruit the West Coast; and if KU were in the PAC-12 we would immediately be in the top tier of BB programs, with competition from UCLA, Utah, Arizona and Cal., good teams by not likely to dominated KU like the Beast Easties would. Also, with football being more emphasized in the PAC-12 than either the Big East or ACC, KU would have the opportunity to improve here as well..

Agree the time zone issue is something that would take some getting used to, and travel distances are a bit farther. But keep in mind that the population shift in the country is to the West, and hopefully the Eastern domination of the sports press will eventually have to deal with this i a more equitable fashion.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

+10000

The time zone thing continues to be overblown in the PAC - the majority of games would be in a division that would only be a 1 hr difference

Clarence Haynes 3 years, 3 months ago

" If you have lived back East and understand their antipathy towards the Plains States, the eastern bias and snobbery you would agree with me. "

Blindrabbit.....I live in that part of the world and you are full of "it!

Kyle Helmer 3 years, 3 months ago

I am not one to come on here and bash Keegan and others, but man, this is way off. Is the Big East better than a non-BCS conference? Yes. But that's it. It should be the LAST option.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

This is so much bigger than just bball which is why Keegan's points ultimately fall apart. To that end, how do we protect our bball brand by having to scratch and claw our way to a conf champ each year if we go to the ACC?

Has there been no more noise about UT to the B1G?

Pat Sullivan 3 years, 3 months ago

Anyone ever stay up to watch a Pac10 football game until 130am... See MO. Don't deny a Big East discussion because you are afraid how our men's bball would compete. Big East does have good football schools. Our women's bball team would get a recruiting boost and travel for the most part will be much easier on KU student athletes. Fan travel will be challenging regardless but SW flies into most major markets now. I lived in a PAC 10 market for 10 years. The fan base can be very apathetic. KU's tv bball contract alone would be significant based on the caliber of play-opponents. Let's face it, the Big12 has good teams but we have dominated this conference. KU vs UConn, Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt, Syracuse, etc sounds a hell of a lot better than any other team we play in the current Big12....to the networks.

DocBean 3 years, 3 months ago

If the ACC adds Texas and KU, then the ACC would rival the Big East in basketball, maybe even surpass it. Maryland, KU, UNC, Duke, Texas, Wake Forest, an up and coming Florida State (assuming they don't join the SEC)....

The ACC could easily become the strongest basketball conference in the country. Calhoun won't be around much longer, so UCONN could slide. Georgetown always has its ups and downs. St. Johns isn't as good as the coverage they get...

You could also argue that the dregs of the Big East are worse then the worst of the ACC.

...with all that said, I'm still holding out hope that the Big 10 comes knocking.

jay381 3 years, 3 months ago

Keegan, I absolutely disagree. The Big East is in my opinion the worst and last of the major conferences we should join. Why when we are in an unstable conference that is falling apart every day would we want to join another unstable conference and find ourselves in the same condition in a few years? Personally, I am not that big on the ACC however; see it as far better than the Big East. The Big 10 I think is just not on the table. I only hope we are fortunate enough with our less than successful football program to be extended an invitation to the Pac xx. When you complain about exposure and times there is a school out there that gets pretty good exposure and has been pretty successful named UCLA in basketball. Oh, yes there is also that thing called payout. Big East only as a last resort.

oldhawk72 3 years, 3 months ago

The problem with tying or hopes to the Big East is they likely will not survive as a top tier conference. If the mega conference model takes off, they will be pouched of their best programs and be left with basketball only schools and football on the level of the mid-majors. The 4 mega conferences will form their own national championship playoff for football and we will be left out.

Conferences we want to get into in order: Big Ten Pac 10 SEC ACC

KGphoto 3 years, 3 months ago

Whatever fills your deadline. The Big East is dead and you know it. Marquette will never end up in a major conference. Get over it.

Fletcher Anderson 3 years, 3 months ago

When the dust clears there will be four major 16 team conferences. If my math 101 skills are still up to par then there are going to be 16 open spots. If we take the 10 big 12 schools and the nine football schools from the big east we end up with three schools searching for homes maybe four if ND joins the Big 10. I have no doubt KU ends up in one of the big 4.

Remember one person does not decide who joins the conferance. 1. Choice one is the big 10. Remember proximity for many big 10 schools and aau

  1. Toss up ACC with Texas and Missouri or PAC. With OU OSU and MU or our little brother I vote PAC because of getting away from Texas would be nice.
  2. SEC. If we agree to play ksu once a year in every sport and wsu in basketball the regents will not care if we split.

KGphoto 3 years, 3 months ago

Can I suggest removal of an entire article?

William Daniels 3 years, 3 months ago

I second that motion! This article is a disaster of reasoning. Really shockingly poor. It pains me that Keegan has the megaphone and the nation may be reading his awful article. I have noticed Keegan trying to jockey for Matt Tait's action. Keegan, butt out. Matt, please write a rebuttal for the sake of your peeps out here!

rob4lb 3 years, 3 months ago

It amazes me that most of the discussion here is around basketball. Hasn't anyone been paying attention? This isn't about basketball. Keegan's article is more focused on basketball than football. Most experts believe we will end up with four 16 team conferences. It is clear that three of those conferences will be the SEC, PAC and Big 10. Most believe that the Big 12 and Big East will be picked apart. So, why is going from the Big 12 to the Big East at all a benefit to KU?

It is also clear that UT wants to go somewhere where they can dictate how the conference is run. They have no intention of going to a place where they will be an equal partner. Why would we want to follow them?

Finally, to everyone salivating over being a member of the ACC with its basketball strength. Be careful, what you ask for? KU was always be the 3rd most popular program in the ACC after UNC and Duke. I know it's hard for some of you to take off your crimson colored glasses, but it's true. To use a baseball analogy; Duke and UNC will always be the Yankees and Redsox and KU will be the Cardinals.

jay381 3 years, 3 months ago

Good post and excellent points. I rarely find a post with which I agree with almost every point. I am sorry but this Big East idea is just nuts unless it is the only option available. I still am firmly in favor of the Pac xx with a dedication to renovating and improving our football program to a competitive level on a yearly basis. I firmly believe we could elevate our football to be competitive in the Pac xx with proper leadership (at every level this is not an arrow at Gill). Yes we would always the third choice in the established ACC blueblood conference. I think we could establish a new and perhaps even better legacy in basketball in the Pac xx.

86finalfour 3 years, 3 months ago

To use a baseball analogy; Duke and UNC will always be the Yankees and Redsox and KU will be the Cardinals.

this is reality...glad someone else said it. I've been making the cardinal comparison for years!

Ludwig Supraphonic 3 years, 3 months ago

KU would have the best chance to retain a unique identity and serve fans and students by being based in a midwestern conference. If the Big 10 is not an option, using the financial incentive of the current Big 12 TV contract to retain some and attract other central USA schools would be in our best interest. We can continue to recruit nationally in basketball with a midwestern identity. Our other sports programs will suffer in a conference that has a few football schools and no clear identity. I don't see any stability in a basketball only + marginal football conference with a hodgepodge of inner city and commuter schools

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 3 months ago

Stop making sense. Nobody seems to care!

Andy Tweedy 3 years, 3 months ago

Colorado, Okie State, OU, KU and possibly MU or KSU. If the PAC went the way people are thinking it "might" all those schools would be in it. That's 4 games a year, 2 roadies, that would be old Big 8 games. If you're only playing 8 or 9 conference games, that's 2 road games that would be somewhere west of the Rockies. I just don't get the time zone issues in regards to football. There would be some in basketball, but we already schedule a couple games a year out west anyway, would that really be much different? And I'm quite sure the Olympic sports would be set up to minimize travel. Right now, the reason you have to stay up late to watch any PAC games is because all their freaking games are on the west coast. I didn't have to stay up to watch CU-Cal last weekend, precisely because CU is now in the PAC. I think this issue is way overblown.

Jim Stauffer 3 years, 3 months ago

The ACC has all three items we need. Suitable money, Basketball heaven and the proper competition for our FB team to prosper. Its the ACC stupid.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 3 months ago

It doesn't make any sense to fly all over the continent to play sports. It kills rivalries and dilutes fan interest. All of our professional leagues play geographically, so should our colleges.

How about this for a league: Kansas, K-State, MU, Iowa St., Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Nebraska & Texas A&M. That'd be Awsome!!!!

(Yes, I left out Colorado ...who cares!)

Krohnutz 3 years, 3 months ago

East? West? I don't care where we go, I just want us to go.

This baby is imploding so we need to "Get to the choppa!"

Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 3 months ago

KU football brings a tradition to any conference, getting beat up upon. The teams within any conference should welcome a newcomer to their fold that will be a team with better odds to beat than otherwise. The conferences, however, would look at the weakness as a negative from the conference level relative to the perception of a weaker overall conference.

Raymond Wright 3 years, 3 months ago

Kego, why are your articles always wrong? Just the other day you posted an article about the B12 being OK, minutes before the infamous TX/OU meeting being reported. Now the big east? Do you even watch sports?

jhawkrulz 3 years, 3 months ago

I think he is trying to be the next sports illustrated...you state something and the opposite happens.

I also think he is trying to say Big XII, Big East, probably in the next couple of days he'll have one on the ACC, PAC, and the SEC just to be safe. That way when whatever happens...he'll be able to say...See I was right!!

blindrabbit 3 years, 3 months ago

Rob4lb: You said it right! I've been a KU fan since 1951 and it amazes me still today that the KU fan base is so closely tied to basketball that they can't see the frees. The reason we are on the "outs" as indicated by the lack of interest from the major conferences is because we never embraced football; folks turn on your brains. I still say a move to the BigEast or ACC would be a killer for the KU basketball program; remember that is their major emphasis.

JHawk06 3 years, 3 months ago

I would be fine with a move to the Big East if it wasn’t so obvious that the good/decent schools in that conference are going to be poached.

John Boyle 3 years, 3 months ago

I hate the Big East and their brand of basketball. That is the last conference I would want to be associated with. I'm not a huge fan of the PAC-12(14) either but I think it is a better fit for basketball and football. The Big East is a joke in football and I'm not sure how they got considered a BCS conference in football. I know KU football isn't great and hasn't really ever been but why down grade instead of upgrading. I think the Big 12 should get over itself and add some up and coming teams and keep its BCS status in tact even if OU decides to leave.

kueric 3 years, 3 months ago

Keegan is a moron and I'm officially going to stop clicking on his articles at all. This @sshat needs to be fired because he is terrible. It would be good basketball competition is your argument?
What about money? Football (which drives $)? Possible exposure increase, I'll give him but not in football (still a cr@p conference with KU, MU, KSTate and the other 'leftovers'). I'm offiically done even viewing his articles and giving him the page views. Tait deserves all of my 'eyeballs' on this site/advertising dollars ... why does this matter? Because your site, just like football and these realignments are all about money you doucenozzel Keegan.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

Rob4lb/blindrabbit, exactly!! To me the bball piece looks alluring at first with big-time matchups in the ACC, but I think it ultimately hinders our ability to pile up conf championships.

What about the possibility that the UT-ACC courtship is simply Bristol-led propoganda? There was a camp that firmly thought this was the case with the earlier UT-PAC rumors.

I'd be scared as hell to follow UT anywhere except the B1G, where they won't be able to pull their leverage crap.

hailtoku 3 years, 3 months ago

The Pac 10 has averaged 44,000 fans per game; the lowest of any BCS school.

Now, I wouldn't want to see our football program in the same conference as Texas, Oklahoma and USC... but the Pac 10 is probably the sexier conference.

The Big East, however, is the picture perfect conference for Kansas. Think about it, a basketball minded conference with poor football teams in a BCS confernce. That right there is the best option for our athletic program.

Rock Chalk.

MWShields 3 years, 3 months ago

How short sighted can a person be. The Big East is NOT going to exist in 3 years the way it does today. When other conferences get done expanding Rutgers, Pitt, ND, and Maryland (from the ACC) will be part of the Big 10, SEC will add VaTech and FSU so the ACC will UConn, Syracuse, and WVU to replace those teams. That will leave a Big East that consists of old Conference USA teams and that is not where we want to be. Sometimes I think Keegan just makes stuff up. If you are studying the realignment side of things you are a fool to think the Big East is where KU wants to be. We need stability and we don't need to put ourselves in this situation again in 3 years.

saidtoomuch 3 years, 3 months ago

What's the big deal about joining the Big East? It's not like if we don't like it, we can't shop around for another league.

The way this is setting up and with the NCAA having no control, what's to keep schools from joining a league for a few years and then switching leagues like underwear. All we have to say is "we are doing what is best for KU".

Join the Big East for a few years, when the ACC gets a new TV contract join the ACC, and when our football team becomes decent join the Big 10 or SEC for football and remain in the ACC for basketball.

Why not, it's no more ridiculous than what's going on right now.

MWShields 3 years, 3 months ago

Dude, ACC just got a huge deal with ESPN. Join the most stable conference you can as soon as you can, you don't want to be branded a "drifter" much like Louisville has been.

Robert Brock 3 years, 3 months ago

JHawk06 is right: the Big East is an unstable pile of junk. The quality is going to be fleeced right out of that conference and soon.

hawksince51 3 years, 3 months ago

While I do not agree that the Big East is the best option for KU, I am afraid it is the most likely option. And that is because of our weak football program. I notice that some have indicated the formation of a new Conference in the middle of the U.S. and that does have logic and appeal. I just don't know how practical such a "start-up" would be when Athletic Depts. rely so much on TV contracts for their survival.

royaljayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

I'm not trying to disrespect the guy, but Keegan is nuts once again! The Big East should be our last choice for quite a number of reasons! Perhaps Keegan should pack his bags and catch a ride with Dan Beebe!! Not a good article, and terrible perspective all around.

saidtoomuch 3 years, 3 months ago

Join the Big East for one year, like aTm did the Big 12, Then go somewhere else.

Hank Cross 3 years, 3 months ago

As far BB goes - Keegan is right. The BE has been the Premier BB League. 5 schools winning 7 NCs in the league's existence. I don't want to take the time to look up exactly how many other BE schools made the FF, but I can think of 4 off the top of my head. If you add in the histories of Ville and Marquette, there is no question of the BE's dominance in BB. If KU and MU were to join the BE, the BE tourney would be better and tougher than the NCAA.

As far as FB goes - Keegan is right. Probably the only way KU ever makes it back to the OB, or a BCS game at all, is playing through the likes of Cin, Ville, UConn, etc. TCU's rise is recent and not guaranteed.

As far as travel goes - Keegan is right. If many B12 join the BE, travel remains basically what it is now, Chicago and Louisville aren't that far away.

BUT - going to the P12 if invited it a no-brainer. Far better schools, far more stability, far more prestige, not that much worse for travel if divided east/west. If MU joins as well, the conference would extend from the Arch to the Pacific and perfectly symbolize the country's westward expansion.

Going to the ACC with UT would be a mistake. Bevo brings destruction wherever it goes. We'd be on an 'island' with UT and be the 3rd most popular BB team and probably never go to the BCS again.

Aaron North 3 years, 3 months ago

Some of you guys are falling for the classic trap, which others used against the Big 12 a year ago, of looking at current deals and thinking that is how it will be forever.

The Big East's contract was negotiated before money started raining down from the networks. They are due for a new contract next year, and if they had KU/KSU/MU/TCU in a solid stable 12 football/20 basketball BCS conference, then they should be due for a very big payday. Will it be as large as the PAC 12 or the ACC? Maybe, maybe not, but come on, its the New York and Chicago markets!

Using their current contract against the Big East when it is obviously now very under-valued and about to go way up is just silly.

MWShields 3 years, 3 months ago

Two problems with your school of thought, first the money is in football and the Big East isn't a football conference so the money won't be anything like it has been for other conferences. Secondly, when other conferences get done picking over the Big East any school that sniffs any football success is going to be long gone. Rutgers, Pitt, and ND to the Big 10. WVU, Syracuse, and UConn to the ACC so that leaves the old Conference USA. The Big East is the next conference to go avoid it like the plague.

saidtoomuch 3 years, 3 months ago

Corporations go to the state or country that creates the most profit for the organization. Universities should just go to leagues that have the newest and highest TV contracts and make proposals to those leagues every year or two. There seems to be nothing that binds schools to any conference anymore for any length of time.

saidtoomuch 3 years, 3 months ago

If Texass and OU join the PAC and don't like it, they can always switch to the SEC in a couple years.

saidtoomuch 3 years, 3 months ago

Why do people think that joining a conference still cements you into that conference for years? That way of thinking and level of commitment is so last year (aTm).

saidtoomuch 3 years, 3 months ago

Why don't we just go straight to the endpoint and have two conferences, The Fox Sports conference and the ABC/ESPN Conference. Things are going in a very chaotic manner and everyone can see who and what's driving the bus.

Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 3 months ago

If we dont get an invite to ACC or PAC, then yea, Big East would be fine with me as long as it isn't poached of schools too.

purple 3 years, 3 months ago

KU to the Big East makes senses for basketball only... The rest of the sports would suffer. K-State doesn't really have any good options and Missouri will have the opportunity to go to one of the power conferences...SEC or Big 10.

jgkojak 3 years, 3 months ago

I don't understand why the Big 5 existing teams (according to the charter 5 teams = the Big 12) don't band together and recruit the existing Big East football teams into a new conference?

This would provoke a chain reaction that would force the Big 10 to make some decisions quickly instead of waiting on their TV deal to expire - if Pitt and Rutgers/Syracuse/UConn are homeless, you can bet the ACC will come calling. So at some point its time to put up or shut up.

So why don't we become the aggressors?

LogicMan 3 years, 3 months ago

A true leader needs to step forward. One probably will after the initial dust settles, but we need to make sure the Big 12 doesn't get voted out of existence. So waive exit penalties for those who want to leave, except for TAMU who is already gone.

trey 3 years, 3 months ago

I've never said this before, but based on this column... KEEGAN IS A FOOL!

What a knucklehead... he's assuming that Syracuse, Rutgers, UConn, Pitt, West Virginia and MU (going with us) are in the Big East.

That's laughable. "Your a freakin reporter, do some homework".

None of those schools are going to stay in the Big East.

Syracuse, Rutgers and Pitt going to BIG or ACC. UConn going to ACC. West Virginia going to SEC or ACC. Missouri going to SEC, PAC or BIG.

None of these schools will be in the "Little East".

That leaves Cinci, S. Florida, Louisville (who may bolt too), TCU and a bunch of basketball-only schools.

What a train wreck.

What a knucklehead.

Kristen Downing 3 years, 3 months ago

If you have read any of Bill Self's quotes lately, he does not want to go west due to the strain of travel on the "student" athletes. He went so far with his disgust, to use the word "hypocrites" for schools not thinking about the effects on the students. I think we would lose Self if we go to the PAC whatever. Hard enough to get these kids through school without the added travel time.

jgkojak 3 years, 3 months ago

Agree- HCBS will not allow KU to be a part of the Pac 12.

The most logical move for Texas is to keep a 7 member B12 together for now (the SEC won't raid the B12 for its 14th member, they'll go after WVU).

That buys them time w/their longhorn network, and with OU/OSU gone, hell, they can show all the HS Football games they want. And, oh yeah, good luck recruiting Texas. Its why going to the Pac is DUMB for OU and even dumber for OSU.

A 7 team B12: 1) probably grabs BYU 2) may entice Oklahoma State to decide if it wants to go w/OU 3) Not hard to locate a 10th, 11th and 12th team if you want to build back up (it would be smart to grab TCU, for another Texas team, and maybe South Florida from the Big East).

I think this is where we're heading. Good riddance to Oklahoma.

MWShields 3 years, 3 months ago

Why would any school in the Big East wan to join a conference of KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, and MU in the midwest when they can sit tight and slide into the ACC, SEC, or Big 10? Not going to happen.

Ok State is not going to change its mind, it has leverage with OU and without them they have nothing. They are going to leverage everything they can into the best possible situation for the school and sitting back with the forgotten 5 isn't in their best interest.

Coach Self is not going to keep the school out of the Pac 12 if that is the best option for them and if he does he should be fired. We don't need a basketball coach making long term decisions about our University. His recruiting base is the East coast but he is getting kids to come and play in middle America so getting them to come and play here and the West coast won't be a problem.

You gotta get over the whole, "why can't we do this" or "why don't we just do that" thing, if the ACC or Pac come along and offer a spot KU has to take it because going to the Big East isn't an option.

The best option possible is for the Big 12 to come together and continue to exist but without Texas and Oklahoma it isn't worth saving.

Hank Cross 3 years, 3 months ago

Self has nowhere to go to make that type of money and have a shot at the NC. No NBA wants him - have you ever heard of a rumor linking him to an NBA job? He's not suited to be on either coast. The only jobs I can see him leaving KU for would be the OK schools - and their going to the P12.

Aaron North 3 years, 3 months ago

"The only jobs I can see him leaving KU for would be the OK schools"

Are you insane?

utahjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

What's the difference between a 3-4 hr flight to Seattle (UW) in the PAC vs the saem flight time to Boston (BC) in the ACC? If anything, since either conf will have divisions our overall schedule is better in the PAC since our divisonal counterparts (AZ, UT, CO, OK) would be much closer.

MWShields 3 years, 3 months ago

Big difference, when you go west you lose two hours coming home so if you are getting on a plane at midnight in LA you're actually getting on that plane at 2 a.m. CST. When you go East you gain an hour coming home so when you get on a plane at midnight in Boston it's actually 11 p.m. CST so that means your student athletes get home 4 hours earlier than they would from the west coast.

Hawks444 3 years, 3 months ago

Somehow this needs to happen: Notre Dame, UT, KU and MU to the Big 10 to make it the Big 16. Everybody wins that way.

LogicMan 3 years, 3 months ago

Well, President Obama is a big BB fan and he carried Lawrence in 2008. Maybe he could call the Big 10 commissioner on our behalf?

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 3 months ago

The (Sour)Grapes of Wrath had led Oklahoma to journey West once again. In Dubious Battle Beebe has led a conference Of Mice and Men through The Long Valley, unfortunately for him it will lead to Cannery Row. I am grateful that he and the conference leaders did not pursue The Harvest (of) Gypsies to keep the conference from going down the toilette with The Log of The Sea of Cortez (A&M). I am convinced that The Pearl (KU) will make it to The Pastures of Heaven and To a God Unknown. Steinbeck saw it all happening many years ago.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 3 months ago

I think someone reposted it. Its catching on.

rockchalknation 3 years, 3 months ago

Go to ACC if available. Best academics if not in the Ivy League. Great athletic rivalries would develop quickly. East coast exposure a plus.

trey 3 years, 3 months ago

So let's explore this "travel" issue. While I agree that travel (for athletes and fans)should be a strong consideration, this belief that travel in the PAC will be much worse than the other options is way overblown. Consider...

If we go PAC, our division likely would include OU, OSU, either Texas or Missouri, Colorado, Utah, and possibly the AZ schools.

If we go Little East, our division likely include TCU, K-State, Iowa State, Louisville, Cinci, S. Florida.

So how is it that the PAC travel is so much worse?

And don't give me the stuff about the "other division" in the PAC, because we can bring up all the basketball-only schools in the Little East (Providence, Seton Hall, St. Johns, Villanova) which are also a long way away.

No doubt, travel is going to be much more difficult than we have today in the Big12. But I don't see the PAC signifantly worse than the Little East or the ACC. Travel in the BIG would probably be the easiest, but doesn't see we're in the running there.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

Exactly, but others don't want to consider the facts.

Sam Constance 3 years, 3 months ago

Referring to speculation about what might be a proposed alignment as "facts" is laughable.

The bottom line is that we don't KNOW how difficult travel will be until we would join and see the end-game regarding divisions, pods, etc...

The FACT is that if we joined the Pac-12, we would be in a league that contains host cities in Washington, Oregon and California, all of which are substantial travel time for conference games. Maybe we would be paired with our geographic neighbors, and maybe not. If common sense regarding geographic pairings was leading the charge here, we wouldn't even be talking about disbanding the Big 12 in the first place.

utahjayhawk 3 years, 3 months ago

phog, the comparison was in the context of travel schedules with PAC vs ACC bids. With 16 teams and the obvious need for divisions with that many teams, the PAC travel schedule would not be the problem that most are making it out to be (with OU, OSU, CU, Utah, and the AZ schools in our division). In fact, it's probably better than the ACC setup with UT, TTU and then GTech (?) being our next closest conf partner. Albeit there are assumptions involved, but the analysis is pretty factual, and deserves more than just the status quo "the PAC start times are going to ruin us!" type argument we've been hearing.

Sam Constance 3 years, 3 months ago

Well, the ACC still has an advantage, because every school in the ACC is only 1 time zone difference from us, where as only part of the Pac 12 can say the same.

The other major factor is that traveling back home from the east, you lose the hour BEFORE the game, rather than after. Of course that means you have to leave earlier for games, but it also means that there are zero (or very few) trips back to Kansas where the arrival time would be midnight or later.

Any travel to conference opponents in a different time zone are going to have a profound effect, so I would suggest that anyone saying that the Pac12 is way worse than the ACC is off base. But both are bad for KU.

The coverage will also be problematic in the Pac12 (moreso than the ACC), again because of the direction of travel.

Sam Constance 3 years, 3 months ago

[X] is DEFINITELY happening.

Anyone who doesn't think [X] will happen is a moron because [Y] makes absolutely no sense. People who think [Y] is the better option are completely idiotic because this is obviously all about [Q]. [Q] is what matters, and [S] has absolutely no bearing on the future of conference realignment.

After [X] is finished, it's inevitable that we will ultimately move towards [Z]. It's the wave of the future and there is no possible way that it will change or not happen. [Z] is guaranteed. All the experts agree. Duh!

{and... scene}

There. I feel like I've said about as much as anyone else on this forum. At least in terms of value. The sooner people stop making definitive predictions about what is or isn't going to happen, as if they know what's real and what's not amongst all this rampant speculation, the less annoying this whole ridiculousness will be for everyone.

In my opinion (and only my opinion), the best option, all around, is for KU to stay in a league that remains in it's own geographical footprint. That way it continues to cater to the people who follow it most, avoids skyrocketing costs for travel (this is most important for non-revenue sports), and it just makes more sense, in general, for teams to play teams with which they have history, relationships, etc.... We have the non-con for different and "interesting", new matchups. Conference play should be against your "family" (so to speak). If the old Big 8 is our immediate family, and the Big 12 is our extended family, then the Pac-12, Big East, ACC, SEC, and B1G are all those long-lost relatives who you don't really KNOW, but they are technically related. We're all part of the family tree of college athletics, but the most fun always comes from playing/visiting with the immediate and extended family you actually know as people, and not just blood-relatives.

All that being said, I haven't the foggiest how this will all end up. Logic and reason went out the window a looooooong time ago, making even the most reasonable, tempered speculation on what will happen futile.

Okay, I'm done. Sorry for the foray into random analogies and situations.

justinryman 3 years, 3 months ago

If, and if is a mighty big word for two letters, that UCONN goes to the ACC, and perhaps Syracuse then the Big East is losing power within it's football schools. There was a reason that VT left the Big East along with Miami a few years ago. There has been a long riff between the Football schools and the basketball schools.

There was a few rumblings a few years back if I remember correctly that the basketball only schools wanted to separate, but the way the V contract was at the time wouldn't allow them to do so, without bigger financial loses.

If KU were to go to the Big East, how long will it last? What do they do if the Conference does break into two? Do they go with the football schools, or do they drop the program and head to the basketball only side of things?

In my opinion I still think the best fit for KU is the ACC then the PAC, but either would be better than the Big East as a stability stand point. Now if you want true stability then the B1G or SEC is the way to go.

Now on the flip side of super conferences, how long can they work? Remember the WAC? It got to big for itself and about half the teams left and formed the MWC. Not saying it will happen to a "super conference", but with that many talking heads, you just never know. Can't please everyone all the time.

All that I can say about this is that nobody, but nobody has a clue as to what in the world is going on.

As REO Speedwagon sang, "Heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who said...." from "Take it on the run"

Sam Constance 3 years, 3 months ago

Now on the flip side of super conferences, how long can they work? Remember the WAC? It got to big for itself and about half the teams left and formed the MWC. Not saying it will happen to a "super conference", but with that many talking heads, you just never know. Can't please everyone all the time.


Love this paragraph. Money seems to be the mortar that would theoretically hold the "superconference" bricks together, but as Nebraska, Texas, Texas A&M and Oklahoma (the 4 most compensated schools in the Big 12's unequal revenue sharing) are displaying, money only goes so far to making people play nice together.

Once a conference gets too big, it's too easy for sub-groups and factions to form, and once that happens, the seeds are in place for it to break apart in some fashion or another.

Mangino_Maniac 3 years, 3 months ago

KU & Mizzou to the Big 10 will be the best fit all around (markets, geographically, rivalries).

El Jay 3 years, 3 months ago

How in the world is Keegan still employed. I mean, hey, I like sports, I can write reasonably well, and I can just blurt things out in print that make no sense at all too. Can I have a job too? I mean, "Exposure falls way short for basketball programs that play out west"...ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I mean, yeah, who has ever heard of UCLA? Its not like LA is giant media center or anything. ESPN doesnt have offices in LA and they certainly dont broadcast from LA do they? C'mon Keeg, use your brain. The reason Pac-12 basketball hasnt gotten much pub lately is because they havent had an elite program for a while. UCLA was there when they went to 3 consecutive FFs and they got tons of run on ESPN during that time. In fact, KU gets wildly overlooked by the national media as it is and in '08 when we won the NC, UCLA got WAY more attention than we did. And then there's that pesky little issue of money. Its not like having WAY more revenue could benefit the school academically and athletically... The stuff that Keegan either ignores or is ignorant to are not little things. True, football is a primary driver in realignment, but dont be a fool, its all about the money. Dollars are worth more than sense, Keegs. You should know that.

Jeremiah Jefferson 3 years, 3 months ago

I think KU would fit in best in Conference USA... Atleast then the Basketball team can still beat up on nobody's and the football team will look half way respectable again.

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 3 months ago

KU and MU as a package to Big10. Time to quite fiddling around. Big10 wants us, wait and see.

Jim Pendleton 3 years, 3 months ago

First of all - no, no, and no.

We want no part of the Big Least. I personally have no interest going to a league where everyone doesn't play all the main sports, most notably football. Half of those schools either don't play football, or they are 1-AA. As far as basketball goes, while we have played some of those schools from time to time, there isn't a one that I could see a budding rivalry with, not to mention there is zero chance the Big East Tourney will be played any place other than NYC.

Those of you that think we actually have a shot at the Big 10, guess again. Those schools do not want any part of us, period.

Mr CatfishTurkeyHunter, I can only hope you were joking about Conference USA. It is an insult to all of Jayhawk Nation to suggest we be anywhere other than a BCS League. It is people like you who care so little about our football program that we are in the predicament we are. I love basketball as much as anyone, but I have always been a supporter of our football team, win or lose. If most KU people supported the program as it needs to be, again win or lose, all of these other leagues would be beating down our door wanting us to join.

I will say again that if the opportunity comes, we need to be in the Pac-12/16. All the schools are D1 and play most everything, especially the major sports. We actually have some rivalries with some of these schools based on basketball history (Ariz, UCLA, Cal). The time zone issue is not a big deal, especially when you realize that most games would be with schools in Mountain & Central time zone. There will be a few late night games, but we have that already (called Big Monday). Yes some of these schools are really good in football, but I think that will help us continue to build. We can still recruit Texas, and now the west coast would be in play. Football title game for the Rose Bowl (hey we can dream), and I think the possibility exists that the basketball tourney could get moved around some. Many excellent opportunities here versus other leagues.

Would be nice to have the Big 12 stick, but unlikely so it would appear. The Pac-12/16 gives us the best opportunity to succeed. Rock Chalk!!

Travis Shinkle 3 years, 3 months ago

Nothing quite like an article explaining why the Big East is the best destination because of basketball...

...now correct me if I'm wrong, but this whole mess has been created because of FOOTBALL.... so why would we want to willfully join a conference whose football is suspect at best? KU might as well form a new conference from the left overs of the Big 12, add in the Mountain West and some Conference USA schools and call it even.

This whole thing is caused by FOOTBALL...basketball is just an after thought...

FlintHawk 3 years, 3 months ago

My favorite comment on this column — maybe one of my all.time.favorite.posts.ever — is @march88phog posted yesterday (9/14) at 1:55 pm.

Well done, entertaining and a superb parody.

Ryan Gerstner 3 years, 3 months ago

Wow, only an idiot would pick the Big East over the PAC. Look, I certainly prefer going east, but if we went to the Big East and Mizzou gets into a major conference like the SEC or PAC, they will dwarf us financially. We have a considerable financial advantage that would disappear over night. We can't afford to make stupid financial decisions that will set the university back for decades. Hold on folks because this could be one crazy ride!

Kevin Huffman 3 years, 3 months ago

The one's ACTUALLY touting Mtn. West over Big East.....ok, now THAT'S moronic!!!'

Having said that, let's say OU & OSU go.....the smartest thing left would be for the existing 7 to still stay together and add BYU, Louisville, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, & Houston.

West = BYU, Texas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Houston & Kansas State East = Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, Louisville, Missouri, Iowa State & Kansas

Scott Smetana 3 years, 3 months ago

Not bad, but that's assuming all of those teams would accept. With OU, OSU, and CU in the Pac 14, I think I'd rather go West.

gardenjay 3 years, 3 months ago

come to think of it, the big 10 would be pretty cool.

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