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Monday, January 31, 2011

Keegan

Wanna bet? Duke the favorite to win NCAA basketball championship; Kansas 8/1

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski talks with his team during the Blue Devils’ 76-60 victory Jan. 15 against Virginia. Ranked No. 3 in the country but sure to fall after Sunday’s 93-78 loss to St. John’s, Duke is the early betting favorite to win the NCAA championship, but the field is so wide-open, the Devils’ 3/1 odds seem a bit of a stretch.

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski talks with his team during the Blue Devils’ 76-60 victory Jan. 15 against Virginia. Ranked No. 3 in the country but sure to fall after Sunday’s 93-78 loss to St. John’s, Duke is the early betting favorite to win the NCAA championship, but the field is so wide-open, the Devils’ 3/1 odds seem a bit of a stretch.

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A Google of “odds to win the NCAA basketball championship” brought me to vegasinsider.com, which I guess makes me a Vegas insider of sorts.

Not surprisingly, Duke has the best odds to win it all for what would be the first successful defense of a national championship since Florida did it in 2007. If superstar freshman point guard Kyrie Irving returns, which at this point seems like a probability, though not a certainty, Duke’s the smartest choice, even after Sunday’s 15-point loss to St. John’s at Madison Square Garden.

The Blue Devils had to learn how to play with Irving, then without him, and if he’s able to return from a serious big-toe injury being treated without surgery, they’ll have to learn how to play with him again. Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski has figured out bigger challenges, such as taming massive egos and getting them all to listen to one voice on the way to an Olympic Gold medal.

Still, even with Irving, who led Duke in scoring and assists at the time of his injury, this feels as if it’s too wide-open a field for one team to have odds as low as the 3/1 listed on the website that gives odds for 35 schools, plus a field (all others) entry.

The shortest odds of the rest: Ohio State (5/1); Kansas (8/1); Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Michigan State (12/1); Washington, Villanova (20/1); Syracuse, field (25/1); Illinois, Kansas State, Purdue and Texas (30/1).

The list shows where each entry opened and where it moved as of Sunday night. Eight of the entries are listed the same as where they opened. Does that mean they haven’t changed or are they off the board? Don’t know. You’d have to ask an online gambler.

Anyway, Kansas State opened at 10/1, and even at 30/1 is the worst bet on the board. The Wildcats’ best shot at a postseason championship is the NIT, and that assumes two things: K-State will get an invitation, and senior Jacob Pullen will decide to play.

Kentucky (too young) and Michigan State (talented junior guard Korie Lucious recently was booted off the team) are overvalued.

Kansas, which deserves the No. 2 spot when the polls are released today, isn’t a bad bet at 8/1, but there are five better ones:

  1. Texas at 30/1. This shows the nation still views the Longhorns as a football school, but this year they have a far better basketball team than football. So tough on the inside, Texas has a legitimate chance to win it all, certainly a much better shot than 30/1.
  2. BYU at 60/1. Whenever a team has the best player on the floor, it has a shot to win the game. With Jimmer Fredette, BYU will have the best player on the floor every game it plays.
  3. San Diego State at 40/1. Steve Fisher always has been and always will be an underrated coach. Don’t forget, he won a national championship at Michigan, which makes his team all the more dangerous.
  4. Purdue at 30/1. The Boilermakers took a hit losing Robbie Hummel, but still have the best 1-2 punch in the country in center JaJuan Johnson and shooting guard E’Twaun Moore.
  5. Syracuse at 25/1. Lost four in a row after opening the season 18-0, but that can happen to any Big East team given the rigors of the schedule.

Comments

Joe Ross 3 years, 2 months ago

Temperance, gentlemen!

I wrote a blog with a very unfortunate title "Good News, Bad News for Kansas Basketball" prior to my being aware that Thomas' mother had passed. I thought it was good analysis, but after learning of the death of his mother and how the team was up most of the night supporting Thomas, I not only regretted the title, but much of what I had put forward in the blog itself.

My impression is different now. Had Thomas' mother NOT have passed unexpectedly, I think Kansas would indeed have won that game. They simply did not look sharp and Kansas somehow, someway always responds. Only the didn't against Texas. They simply couldn't. It's perfectly consistent with the observation that they were gassed at the end of the game from having spent so much energy in the first half and not having gotten any (or much) sleep the night before. Not enough in the tank, as it were. Yet when KU HAD the energy in the first half, they showed they were the better team. By this logic, I suspect Kansas would have won the game under normal circumstances. I do NOT think Kansas would win by 15-20 because Texas has made strides and is now squarely within Kansas' class (as a top five team).

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Brian Powell 3 years, 2 months ago

Tom, interesting topic but I really disagree with your logic on #2 (BYU, best player, etc.). A 'chance', maybe.... but it takes a team to get through the tourney - so the point really is moot.

Texas? We made them look good. We lost to them after the hawks were up til 5am dealing with Trobs' loss. Sure, they're hot right now, but they'll go back to their good-but-not-great form when the averages play out.

When we play there, the team that wins the boards will win the game. It will not be a pretty game. Fouls and FTs will be factor. Both will shoot a lower %

Glad Trob is back -- looking forward to more Travis!

See y'all tom. night,

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Kye Clark 3 years, 2 months ago

KU fans should all be pleased with Texas garnering such national recognition. The conference needs other marquee programs besides KU, lest we become likened to Memphis during their prominence. K-State was supposed to be that team, at least based on pre-season rankings, but they are falling fast and have yet to hit bottom. I don't think anyone is eager for Misery to achieve any additional success, so Texas is the logical choice. In a perfect world, maybe A&M would be that team, it'd be nice to see Turgeon in that position, but I don't think it's likely to happen. Turgeon doesn't appear to be near the recruiter that Billy Gillispie was. Oklahoma would be the next choice, but their program is still such a mess it might be awhile before that happens.

At any rate, Texas rebounding from their disappointing season last year is a good thing. Even if Rick Barnes never achieves ultimate post-season success, he is a great recruiter and consistently schedules tough non-conference games. Texas is also a major market that can at least pull a share of the east coast biased media's spotlight to the Big 12 (btw, anyone know what the conference will be called next year? If it's out there I must have missed it). With the conference shrinking to 10 teams next year it is important for as many teams as possible to be strong national players (not that losing CU and NU are big hits to our basketball cred, if anything it improves it). Consider the situation in the ACC. The conference has lost so much of its luster, as it's now Duke and everyone else. Or consider the Pac-10. Their flagship program, UCLA, is floundering and the conference is almost an afterthought. While Bill Self has managed to continue to reload thus assuring our conference won't ever sink to those depths, it is good for RPI and prestige to have worthy challengers (which is to say nothing of the fact that it is always better to face tough competition in conference to prepare us for March Madness). Sure it's annoying right now, UT puffing their chests out and acting like they own conference supremacy, but given the state of things the conference definitely needs this.

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Jack Wilson 3 years, 2 months ago

I have to agree with BlownJay above .. If anyone is watching the massacre tonight, Texas is the real deal.

BlownJay's point on our bigs vs. other real bigs .. not the pretend kind .. is right on point. Many examples this season. Particularly against the bigger bodies.

Texas plays D, and our offensive limitations are many times exposed against teams that play excellent defense.. see Nebraska.

Can we beat Texas? Sure. Can we beat Texas as we stand? Sure. But I'm not that comfortable with that. I firmly believe that a commitment to being more diverse offensively, taking some chances in the composition of our attack, sacrificing a bit defensively, and moving outside of comfort zones is the only way this team becomes a truly unstoppable force. Until then, excellent defensive teams will take away what we need to score the basketball. We saw what Nebraska did.

Aggressively double in the post, and even further to the wing when the ball hits Marcus' hands. Let TT/Brady have open looks, and have their defenders sag to the threats .. Selby, or Reed on the perimeter. Defending KU is really not a complex task. And it becomes easier when you have solid big men inside, like Texas.

And that is why we need more offensive options on the floor. For example, when TT and Brady are on the floor together, we have one excellent defender, and one good defender. But we have two relatively incompetent offensive players. One is our point guard who can't create and is not a shooter. The other who has gone 50+ minutes in Big 12 play without a point, is shooting poorly, is not one we can even think to rely on offensively. And if Marcus isn't on the floor (fouls or otherwise), with those two out there, points are just tough vs. the top defensive teams. Add in if Selby is having an off night and we are close to pedestrian offensively.

It is not hard to see. Perhaps we don't want to see. It is why we have played so many close games against marginal teams .. some at home. We can be shut down and limited by teams that can play defense. And because we are a defense-first team, we are much more susceptible to the "hot shooter" .. see UCLA.

Moving Selby on the ball is the first step.

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John Randall 3 years, 2 months ago

This year is as easy as any other to pick the NC.

First team after Mar. 15 to win six.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 2 months ago

just in case anyone hasn't noticed the love fest with Texas and espn has already started. Their upset of ku was the lead story for almost a day, now they are the main story leading aTm by 10, and take a wild guess who is the overall #1 seed in this weeks bracketology?

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ZDKC 3 years, 2 months ago

Basing your article off what you Google searched...interesting stuff (heavy sarcasm implied).

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 2 months ago

Duke is a very, very good team and it wouldn't surprise me if their not in the final for the NC game. Kansas is overrated at the present and shouldn't be rated as high as they are. If Self would bench Bad Brady then maybe KU could get a good chemistry going and they could reach a #2 position. A 5th year senior is not showing any leadership at all and really is a drag to this team. Freshmen are showing him up and the walkons are doing better then Boozer Brady. Give him a 6 pack and bench him.

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Benjamin Piehler 3 years, 2 months ago

i wish i could bet money that duke wont win it....

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YuCoJayHawk 3 years, 2 months ago

I got KU to start the season at 30-1 and then a couple weeks later at 20-1. Those were the two highest odds I have seen on KU to win it all in about 4 years. I got KU at 7-1 when they won it all in 2008. Both bets were on sportsbook so I'll have a nice little payoff when the Jayhawks cut down the nets!!

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Hank Cross 3 years, 2 months ago

It's sad KU is saddled with KSU when it comes to realignment. There's one school in KS that can become a true national university, the other wears purple and belongs in the Mountain West.

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jaybate 3 years, 2 months ago

Texas is back to being a good, solid cheap-shotting team, after being a can't-shoot disgrace of a cheap shotting team last season, but they are no where near as good as KU.

KU will kill Texas' next meeting. It will kick their long horns off their heads and into the next time zone the next time KU and Texas meet...hopefully in the conference tourney. Not even close.

With bigs entirely fouled up and with nary a perimeter player playing above average, KU only lost by ten?

You board rats ought to be ashamed of yourselves about genuflecting to Granny Barnes and his burnt orange man bra!

Really, it won't be close.

KU by 15-20.

Why?

Because the KU team will be used to the XTReme Cheap Shotting. The first Texas game was their first exposure to true XTReme Cheap Shotting. Every young team has to get clipped by it once, before they realize how hard you have to be against it.

Next time we play, they pay.

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jayhawkinnebr 3 years, 2 months ago

Good article Tom, I like what you print. I agree that KU is overrated and shouldn't even be that high. Somewhere around #16-18 is where they should be. Dump Bubweiser Brady and they could go higher. What a embassarrement Klutz Brady has been to this team. A 5th senior, and where is the senior leadership from this dud? A 5th year to boot. The freshman are playing rings around this dud. Bench 6 pack Brady and get Johnson, Releford, or Little in the game and get the chemistry going. Not in the game Brady needs to be benched. Bring in Jordan like the other night, he did as much in 1 min. as cob Butt Brady did in about 16 mins. 3 points from, a 5th years senior, maybe if he sticks around another year he will get 5 points per game??????????????

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tailg8prty 3 years, 2 months ago

Every year I fill out my brackets I pick Kansas. Even though some years they had flaws I would still put them in the championship game. This year, I'm going a different route. Since most of the people in my pool are Kansas fans, I'm going to pick someone else. What is there to lose? In years past, when KU lost, I lost not only my favorite team but my brackets were in the trash. This year, forgive me, I'm picking someone else. If this is reverse psychology so be it. But one of the reasons why we aren't the favorite is KU doesn't exactly live up to the hype. Some small team steps up and beats us. I will always be fully vested in KU win or lose but it just seems weird things happen to us. Forgive me for picking another team. Although, I see flaws in this team (which I'm sure you people will rip me on) I just think there is one ingredient missing. Probably a huge center (Cole). But he made the right decision for his family so I can't be mad. This is purely a % thing. I love the Morris' and T-Rob but without a true anchor down low kinda bothers me. Plus, I'm afraid TO's and free throws will eventually catch up with us. Don't worry KU folks, I'm with you but I was also able to see the weaknesses in the KC Chiefs when they were 9-0 in 03 and people were calling them awesome. I was belittled for bashing an undefeated team. Please prove me wrong guys. Nothing but love.

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actorman 3 years, 2 months ago

I agree. We like to think of KU fans as being "classy," but unfortunately there are plenty of idiots in Jayhawk Nation, just like everywhere else.

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LAJayhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

Ok, so Keegan.... I have no idea when you looked at these odds but they are way, way, way off.

Here are some current odds for you:

Duke 2-1 (can you believe it?? They went up!!) Ohio St 7-2 KU 6-1 Kentucky 8-1 Texas is 12-1... less than half of what you reported of 30-1 Michigan St... holy crap are you off... they are 75-1 not 12-1 KSU 60-1 not 30-1 BYU 50-1 not 60-1

http://props.scoresandodds.com/section_display.cfm?event=2011%20Mens%20NCAA%20Basketball%20Tournament%20-%20Houston%20TX%20-%20Odds%20to%20Win&sporttype=525&startdate=1/31/2011

Other odds maker websites have it the same as well.

Stick to what you know, Tom.

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

6) Nebraska: Nebraska has a brutal 3 game stretch coming up against K-State, Kansas, and Baylor so we'll also find out whether or not they have any NCAA capabilities here pretty quickly. They picked up a much needed win against A&M, but laid an egg against one of the worst teams in the league in Tech. Nebraska could be 4-2 in league instead they are fighting with virtually 7 other teams for that 3rd-9th spot. Separation is going to have to happen sooner or later.

7) Oklahoma: I can't believe I have Oklahoma this high, but all 3 of their losses in Big 12 have come against the Top 5 teams in the Big 12. Oklahoma has also beaten supposedly the worst in the Big 12 in Iowa State and Tech and they beat a pretty decent Colorado squad who was good, but is now realing.

8) Colorado: It's amazing how quickly things can change for a team. After having a great opportunity to be 5-0 in conference before they played the Jayhawks they squandered their road opportunities after being in the top spot of the Power Rankings just about a week and half ago. Now, the Buffs have lost 4 in a row and their schedule doesn't get any easier. I expect them to stay around this area or possibly drop if they can't pick up some much needed road wins. The only problem is that their schedule gets a lot tougher. They pretty much squandered every opportunity for them to place in the Top 6 of conference.

9) Tech: I'm not quite sure how Tech has 3 wins as their only quality win is against Nebraska, but they did make the Top 10 in the conference power rankings. I still think they are the second worst team in the Big 12, but they've had a nice 3 game win streak.

10) K-State: IMO K-State has played the toughest conference schedule so far. They actually have a pretty favorable schedule in their next 9 games. K-State, however, is a disaster at the moment. They do have an opportunity to change their season around, but it's a very small window.

11) Oklahoma State: They have beaten two of the worst teams in the Big 12 at the moment in Iowa State and K-State. Even though they beat K-State head to head, they have lost 5 out of their last 6 and have gotten beaten badly in 4 of those 5 losses.

12) Iowa State: They beat Baylor for their only victory in conference play. They are just bad.

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

As of today my Big 12 Power rankings:

1) Texas: Had a very impressive performance last night against Mizzou. I thought Mizzou would give Texas a better game, but I guess I was fooled again. I keep reading that Texas is in the drivers seat for the Big 12, but I have to disagree. Texas' schedule to end the Big 12 isn't a favorable one and there is still 10 games to play in league. Playing at A&M on Monday night (Revenge Game), Balor twice, at Colorado, at Nebraska, and Kansas State even though terrible at the moment has had Texas' number the last couple of years. Texas still leads the Power rankings, but if they can get through schedule unscathed than that will be very impressive, but i just don't see it happening.

2) Kansas: Anybody who watched "Gameday" last night agasint K-State understands what the Jayhawks have gone through over the last 10 days. Kansas has a favorable schedule over the next 2 weeks before they head to K-State and then another week of Colorado, Okie State and OU which should be manageable until the last two games against A&M and Mizzou. If I had to choose schedules I would take the Jayhawks as they have gotten through a big chunk of theirs already, but @ Nebraska won't be a cakewalk. Mizzou at home I'm not worried about. @ Nebraska, A&M, and the final game @ Mizzou are the toughest 3 games that the Jayhawks have left.

3) A&M: They just laid a dud at Nebraska which proves playing @Nebraska isn't a walk in the park against the best defensive team in the Big 12. A&M will have a short turn around before playing Texas on Monday night. If A&M has any hopes of claiming the Big 12 title it's a must win against the Longhorns.

4) Mizzou: Mizzou at the moment is still the 4th best team in the Big 12, but they have to figure out a way to win on the road. A&M game was heartbreak loss, but besides 2 games against the Jayhawks, they have a very manageable schedule to end conference play and they play middle to the bottom of the conference teams the rest of the way. I expect Mizzou to separate themselves from the rest of the pace from here on out.

5) Baylor: IMO, Baylor still doesn't have a decent win against a quality opponent in conference, but we'll find out soon enough as they play 3 of the Top 6 teams in conference in their next 4 games. They better be ready to play ball. We'll find out pretty quickly whether or not Baylor is the "Pretend" category with K-State.

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Dan Cook 3 years, 2 months ago

This article is filled with inaccuracy. If anyone knows where to actually place a bet that gives you 30-1 on Texas, 40-1 on SDSU, etc, please let us all know. I assure you there are no sportsbooks in Vegas that have those odds today. Much of what Keegan has told us is outdated from a website that isn't kept current on "future" odds.

As of last week, UT was down to 12-1 (after beating KU) and SDSU was 15-1. For those interested, Kansas was the 3rd betting favorite at 7-1. Ohio State was 4-1 and Duke was 5-1. UK was 10-1. Each sportsbook will have different odds depending on the flow of money, but no chance on earth Texas is 30-1 while Duke is 3-1.

I got Kansas at 13-1 in November at the Wynn. That should be just about the right payoff to cover the party should we win the title.

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

Here's the New AP Poll Top 10

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j33TLDpHgVC3E-jRcysiW6l6ldxA?docId=3c355318e5394ab8a0bada8b2a1dde65

1) Ohio State

2) Kansas

3) Texas

4) Pitt

5) Duke

6) UConn

7) SDSU

8) BYU

9) Notre Dame

10) Kentucky

Well, I thought the AP poll punished SDSU too much and didn't punish Duke enough. Other than that I had the exact Top 10 just in a different order from above. Finally, Michigan State exits the poll, however, UNC reappears in the poll (Yuck).

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Ralster Jayhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

Hey, let Duke face KU for the national championship...they thought they had "their hands full with St.Johns"...(hahahaha!) Hmm, whats our 3ptFG defensive ranking?

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Funhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

Another interesting article by our wonderfully wacky, hilariously hip, sports guy. He gets your brain cells working in the morning and some people woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Would not be surprised to see Duke win it all again this year with a lot of the same guys. Still, Texas is on a roll. Last year's freshmen for Texas have grown up this year. Like Duke, when Texas smells blood, they go in for the kill. And, I think that is why I would not pick my beloved Hawks. That, and poor Bill is always uptight during NCAA tournament games. Its the Marty Schottenheimer playoff disease. Hopefully, Bill will do something fun with the players before a tournament game, to loosen everybody up, like stopping the bus on route and spitting into the river. Hey, it worked before Bill.

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KGphoto 3 years, 2 months ago

I'd take 2:1 odds that Kyle Singler is still the ugliest player in America come March.

Double or nothing coach k remains a rat.

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jayhwkr77 3 years, 2 months ago

I have yet to read the comments so I appologize if I am repeating what has already been said but Keegan saying that BYU has a good shot to win it all should forbid him from ever posting an article in the LJ World again

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DocBean 3 years, 2 months ago

Duke is the favorite because everyone knows they'll get a cake schedule come tournament time. That's the problem with a bunch of Duke Alums setting up the tournament field.

Last year they were the worst #1 with the easiest road to the Final 4. This year will be the same, but even an easy schedule doesn't guarantee anything; they won't repeat.

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

Interesting article by Chris Resor. He rounds up the recruiting talk with KU and there potential future recruits. This guy has had a lot of interesting stuff and has been "The Lead" lately on most of the Daniels stuff. He makes predicitons and puts himself out there in terms of KU recruiting.

http://isportsweb.com/2011/01/31/kansas-recruiting-roundup-1-31-11/

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Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 2 months ago

Hmmm....getting a comment removed talking about sports betting. Is the LJW connected?

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TRUEBLUEKU 3 years, 2 months ago

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Ron Franklin 3 years, 2 months ago

Also....Is it legal to make sports bets online?

This may be a dumb question, but I don't know the answer....so I must be....

I'd like to take Vegas up on the 30/1 odds against texas.

What site would I use to do this legally?

I'll be making my first trip to Vegas in April, so if anybody has any good '21' reference books or tools to better my chances of winning at BJ, I'd appreciate any advice.

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Hank Cross 3 years, 2 months ago

Typical Keegan nonsense, a huge waste of 0s and 1s. I'm only surprised that he didn't somehow cite wikipedia as a source.

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Ron Franklin 3 years, 2 months ago

Texas is the team to beat in the TOURNEY this year, IMHO.

They have a great frontline, they are only getting better. Their guard play is solid & only getting better.

KU is not a good match up for Texas unless the Hawks can shoot 40%/40%/75% from the line. (Don't forget they just beat KU in AFH. I was at the game, and our bigs were dominated/pushed around.......and can't hit free throws)

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KUFan90 3 years, 2 months ago

Tom are you sure these odds were updated as of Sunday night? Anyone that would bet money on KSU to win it all at 30:1 right now should have their head examined.

I doubt they would see action even at 300:1.

And Michigan State 12:1? Those sound like odds from 3 weeks ago...

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

Make sure you guys keep voting for Tyrel Reed! You can vote everyday!

http://www.seniorclassaward.com/vote/mens_basketball_2010-11/

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

Anybody else ready for Coach K to retire? I'm ready for Chris Collins or Wojo to take over and have some sub-par seasons.

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Thomas Michaud 3 years, 2 months ago

I read the comments rather than the article ... excellent work guys!! :-)

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Jacobpaul81 3 years, 2 months ago

There's a reason the Longhorns are 30/1. 1 Final Four in the 3 pt era. 3 Elite 8s. Prior to that, you gotta go back to 1947 to find any impact on the NCAA tourney by the Longhorns.

I'm a bit surprised the Buckeyes are 5/1: 2 Final Fours of the last 25, 3 Elite 8s of last 25. That's not exactly putting up numbers you can be confident in.

Especially not when you compare that to Duke and Kansas:

KU - 5 of the last 20 Final Fours and 7 of the last 25. 2 of the last 25 NCAA titles. 10 of last 25 Elite 8s.

Duke - 8 of last 20 Final Fours and 11 of the last 25. 4 of the last 25 NCAA titles. 12 of the last 25 Elite 8s.

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kushaw 3 years, 2 months ago

How do you have the rankings for today?

Here is Mine: I'm okay with either Texas or Kansas being #2. Since I don't really care I put them tied for second.

1) Ohio State

2) Texas 2) Kansas

4) Pitt

5) SDSU

6) UConn

7) Duke

8) Kentucky

9) Notre Dame

10) BYU

I would definitely put a Ben Franklin down on Texas at 30/1. I like BYU as well. Somebody other than Kansas is going to win a Championship sometime soon in the Big 12. Actually, I hope it happens when Kansas is technically having a "Down Year" (Just not this year).

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Mike Bratisax 3 years, 2 months ago

What were Bradly's odds of making it to the final game last year? What were our odds? I'm sure Keegan wrote this as a general interest story but there is no story here. A six game run against unknown teams is little more than guess work.

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SherronBallins 3 years, 2 months ago

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KU_FanSince75 3 years, 2 months ago

Yea, Duke getting spanked by St. John's----they really showed yesterday that they are NC team material. Right! I think I'll stick with my Jayhawks, thank you very much!

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newtown 3 years, 2 months ago

No mention of Northern Iowa ????

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Martin Rosenblum 3 years, 2 months ago

Assuming the group listed, they would be the final teams playing in the tournament. Matching losses, the KU-Texas game was somewhat affected by the emotions of the Robinson family situation and the hype for Texas to break the KU 69 game home winning streak. The Duke-St Johns game had neither factor. Simply a loss to a St Johns team by 15. So each has 1 loss now. Losing to Texas is more understandable than Duke losing to the Johnnies.

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ahpersecoachingexperience 3 years, 2 months ago

Wow! Way to write an article about something you know nothing about. I especially enjoy when the reporters start their thinking process with a google search. That's great in-depth insight ya got there. (insert everthing already said by previous posters about point spreads/odds. Case in point, how comfortable do you think those with money on duke feel today?)

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Randy Maxwell 3 years, 2 months ago

The article is interesting but to the headline writer the term "odds on" refers to a bet that is less than even money such as 4 to 5 or 3 to 5 etc. Where you have to bet the larger number to make the smaller one

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clevelandjayhawker 3 years, 2 months ago

Well im sure Puke will get their normal Bracket.....thus it will be a cake walk when the #2 seed is the #10 overall team and the 3 seed will be michigan state or something

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RockCaCO3 3 years, 2 months ago

I wonder if Puke is still 8/1 after they got smoked by St. Johns? Actually, I really don't give a s*#$.

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jhox 3 years, 2 months ago

If I was in Vegas, I'd jump all over that Texas bet at 30-1. I'm not saying they'll win it all, but those odds really stand out against the others. They have as good a chance as anyone to win it all, including us.

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Joe Ross 3 years, 2 months ago

I guess to be a "true" kansas fan you have to ignore any news or perspectives that might point out areas of improvement in our team or give credit to others. While the timing of the article is definitely a buzz kill (coming off a great win over KSU on Kansas Day, Wayne Simien's jersey retirement, and TRob's emotional and triumphant return), the fact is that people are too quickly villified for legimate perspectives on a consistent basis and many fans have a queasy stomach when it comes to considering information that may not always put Kansas at the top of the heap. As far as Keegs, well...I haven't made up my mind. It's hard to judge a person's intent even when seeing the product of their work. I've seen him write some flattering articles that draw praise from readers and I've seen some otherwise. I won't say this article is particularly egregious for a couple of reasons. One, Keegan didn't set the odds and he's reporting the stats without saying anything negative about Kansas at all. Two, he says plainly that Kansas deserves the number 2 spot in the country when the polls come out today. Three, he's not out of the company of sane people who would disagree with Vegas odds prognosticators and pick other teams ahead of Kansas (although Syracuse right now is a bit of a stretch right now). Paris Hawk has it exactly right. These odds don't mean diddly squat. They are completely irrelevant. Yet they are a part of sporting and as such I think they should be of interest to just about every fan.

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klineisanazi 3 years, 2 months ago

I don't know who "deserves" it, but I look for Texas to jump KU to #2. They just went on a tear and beat all the other legitimate contenders for the conference title by double-digit margins in the last two weeks. They are playing as well as anyone else in the country.

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Lonnie Ross Dillon 3 years, 2 months ago

Oh for crying out loud, give it a rest. FYI, I got KU at 10/1 when they were in Vegas.

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ParisHawk 3 years, 2 months ago

Betting odds are based on two things:

1) the relative likelihood of the outcomes, and 2) the relative weight of betting on each outcome.

More people tend to bet on Duke, so Vegas shortens their odds: this stops the betting from getting too one-sided, which is risky for the bookies. Same thing happens to KU because of fan loyalty, which is why betting for KU is not the best way to win money.

In other words, betting odds say more about what bettors think is going to happen than about what is really going to happen.

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up4par2000 3 years, 2 months ago

I am not one to usually complain, but I have to agree. Could care less for Duke, besides they can't seem to beat unranked teams on the road. As they have proven today at MSG, "live by the three, die by the three". Somewhere - someplace Dook Vital is crying because of the loss the Dookies took today. Duke = Fluke and last years bracket was a joke, Dook had it way too easy. But that is old news, I am just focused on this year right now.

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amatxjayhawk 3 years, 2 months ago

Should have know this was a waste of time when I saw the subject and the author. My bad.

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