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Originally published March 20, 2010 at 02:23p.m., updated March 20, 2010 at 10:41p.m.

FINAL: Northern Iowa shocks Kansas, 69-67

Kansas forward Marcus Morris covers his head after the Jayhawks' 69-67 loss to Northern Iowa Friday, March 20, 2010 at the Ford Center in Oklahoma City.

Kansas forward Marcus Morris covers his head after the Jayhawks' 69-67 loss to Northern Iowa Friday, March 20, 2010 at the Ford Center in Oklahoma City.

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The Jayhawks lost to the Panthers Saturday in the second round of the NCAA tournament. Kansas ended its season 33-3.

Reader poll

Which NCAA Tournament loss in the last 20 years stung the most?

  • 1997 Arizona 23% 1698 votes
  • 1998 Rhode Island 4% 323 votes
  • 2005 Bucknell 14% 1041 votes
  • 2006 Bradley 2% 184 votes
  • 2010 Northern Iowa 54% 3978 votes
  • Other 1% 124 votes

7348 total votes.

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GameDay Cram Session: Northern Iowa

KUSports.com online editor Jesse Newell, Journal-World sports editor Tom Keegan and 6News sports director Kevin Romary take a look at what to expect from the Kansas basketball team's second-round NCAA Tournament matchup against Northern Iowa.

Reader poll

Northern Iowa has only given up 70 points one time this season. Will KU score 70 against the Panthers today?

  • Yes 81% 138 votes
  • No 14% 24 votes
  • Undecided 4% 8 votes

170 total votes.

KU scoring — Marcus Morris 16, Aldrich 13, Colllins 10, Markieff Morris 10, X. Henry 8, Reed 8, Taylor 2.

KU was 24-for-54 from the floor (44.4 percent), 6-for-23 from three (26.1 percent) and 13-for-18 from the free-throw line (72.2 percent).

UNI was 22-for-55 from the floor (40 percent), 9-for-26 from three (34.6 percent) and 16-for-19 from the free-throw line (84.2 percent).

KU out-rebounded UNI, 38-30. KU had 15 turnovers, while UNI had nine.

UNI defeats KU, 69-67

Farokhmanesh is fouled, and he makes the first free throw to seal it. He adds the second for good measure.

Marcus Morris hits a three with 0.4 seconds left, but it’s too late. UNI inbounds the ball, and the clock runs out.

Marcus Morris drops to his knees, openly weeping on the court. It takes a couple minutes for teammates to pick him up.

UNI completes the 69-67 shocker.

UNI 67/KU 64 — 6.2 seconds left in game

Ahelegbe is fouled, and he makes one of two free throws.

Collins misses the Mario Chalmers play drawn up for him. Taylor misses a three. Reed gets the tip-in, but KU needs a true miracle to win this one.

UNI 66/KU 62 — 23.4 seconds left in game

UNI breaks the press, and Farokhmanesh is left by himself. He thinks about taking the three, then takes it. Swish. UNI up four again.

Reed passes up a three, and he drives to the lane, banging into the UNI defender for a charge before getting a pass off. He lays his head on the court for a few seconds after the call.

UNI 63/KU 62 — 42.8 seconds left in game

Farokhmanesh misses a three. KU with the board.

Marcus gets another generous whistle inside, and he makes one of two free throws.

Reed with a remarkable steal, saving the ball from going out of bounds just like Collins did two years ago in the title game. KU can’t capitalize, though, as Xavier Henry misses the front of a one-and-one.

Jake Koch is fouled, and he calmly sinks two free throws.

Collins takes it all the way to the basket, but he’s called for a charge. Self screams to himself on the sideline, in disbelief about the call. It did look like the UNI defender was still sliding defensively.

Adam Koch with another offensive rebound inside, this time over Collins. The conference player of the year slams it home, giving UNI a seven-point lead.

Taylor is fouled, and he makes two free throws with 1:07 left.

UNI launches its inbounds pass the length of the court out of bounds, and that’s the steal that KU needed.

Marcus Morris gets the benefit of a late, late call underneath, and he makes both free throws. KU is down three with 53.8 seconds to go.

Marcus gets away with a push on the full-court press, and Ahelegbe steps on the end line. Another backcourt turnover for UNI.

Collins forces things, taking two steps in the lane before putting in a short floater. Timeout KU, which has cut the lead to one.

UNI 59/KU 53 — 3:38 left in game

Markieff Morris with a two in the lane, drawing a rare foul on a shot attempt. He makes the free throw — just KU’s seventh free throw attempted today.

Marcus drives into traffic, bangs into two bodies, then gets a foul call on UNI. That whistle was questionable. Marcus makes one free throw, and KU is down five.

Adam Koch gets away with an offensive foul inside, using his head to shove off Markieff Morris before putting in a turnaround. Self jumps twice up and down on the sidelines, furious for the no call.

KU gets it to Markieff inside, and he puts in the bunny.

Marcus steals it away on the other end, and Collins is grabbed in transition. He makes both ends of the one-and-one, and this place is going nuts with KU down just three.

Johnny Moran answers with a three from up top — the biggest shot of the game for UNI.

Taylor and Collins both miss threes, and UNI comes down with the board. Even with the comeback, KU still is in a deep hole with 3:38 left.

UNI 52/KU 45 — 6:54 left in game

Collins puts in a floater in the lane, but on the other end, Adam Koch throws in an uncontested alley-oop. Give those two points to Jacobson on the sideline.

If KU is going to press, Self needs to put Taylor back into the game. Reed has improved his defense, but Taylor’s the guy you need for steals.

Aldrich gets it inside, and he puts in another jump hook.

Farokhmanesh misses a three, but Collins is out of control in the lane, turning it over yet again. He’s a liability out there for the Jayhawks right now.

Marcus Morris with a spin move in the lane, and the Jayhawks cut the deficit to seven. Jacobson’s “shoot-whatever-shot-you-want” philosophy served the Panthers well in the first 30 minutes, but it hasn’t in the last three, as UNI is taking some wild shots.

UNI 49/KU 39 — 11:03 left in game

Aldrich with an offensive rebound, and he puts in a jump-hook for two.

Finally, KU presses, and Marcus Morris gets a steal on the sideline. Collins’ layup is swatted, but Marcus comes away with the loose ball. Xavier Henry uses good body control to avoid a charge and put in a short shot in the lane.

Timeout UNI, as Jacobson will reset his team’s offense.

Kerwin Dunham follows with a drive for two with a foul, and UNI has quickly regained its 10-point lead and the momentum.

UNI 47/KU 35 — 12:31 left in game

Collins with a turnover, and his bad day continues.

Xavier Henry puts in a three from the corner. That’s big, but KU hasn’t put together many runs all game.

Add another turnover to Collins’ stat line. He’s trying to do way too much out there.

Jake Koch buries a three for UNI, and the lead is up to 12. Timeout Self. KU hasn’t tried anything new defensively, and it seems like it’s about time to try something.

UNI 42/KU 32 — 15:26 left in game

Collins with a drive to the rim, and he drops the ball to Aldrich for a layup.

Aldrich blocks Eglseder on the other end, and KU gets possession after the ball caroms out of bounds off a UNI player.

Farokhmanesh with a behind-the-back pass in transition, and Adam Koch puts in the layup.

Eglseder follows with a shot over Aldrich, and the lead is up to 10.

Collins with a layup, but Eglseder with another jumper. He screams out to the crowd to get the fans going.

Self has to throw a press at UNI. The Jayhawks are running out of time, and they need to speed the pace of the game up.

Collins forcing things now, as he puts up a guarded 18-footer that bricks away. That’s going to cost the Jayhawks 30 seconds on the other end.

KU scoring — Marcus Morris 7, Aldrich 7, Reed 6, Markieff Morris 3, X. Henry 3, Collins 2.

KU was 10-for-24 from the floor (41.7 percent), 4-for-11 from three (36.4 percent) and 4-for-6 from the free-throw line (66.7 percent).

UNI was 12-for-26 from the floor (46.2 percent), 6-for-12 from three (50 percent) and 6-for-8 from the free-throw line (75 percent).

Both teams had 16 rebounds at halftime. KU had eight turnovers, while UNI had four.

Halftime thoughts

An eight-point lead is more daunting against a team like UNI. The Jayhawks will need to outplay the Panthers by quite a significant margin to make up eight points in 20 minutes, especially when the possessions are going to be so limited.

Sherron Collins hasn’t been able to get anything going against UNI. He was just 1-for-4 in the first half with two turnovers. UNI is packing everything into the lane, making it difficult for him to drive. Which leads me to my next point ...

KU needs to start firing away from three. Because the Panthers are focusing their defense in the middle, the opening appears to be on the outside. The Jayhawks also have had some success getting offensive rebounds on three-point tries.

Just like last year against Michigan State, turnovers are just killing the Jayhawks. UNI forces just 12.1 turnovers per game, but KU has eight giveaways already. The Jayhawks absolutely have to value every possession from here on out to have a chance at a comeback.

UNI 36/KU 28 — Halftime

KU is getting beaten badly on the offensive boards. Not only does one UNI possession take a minute off the clock, but Lucas O’Rear ends the possession with a tip-in over Aldrich. UNI has six offensive rebounds, and there’s no excuse for that for the Jayhawks.

Collins tries a drive, but good defense is waiting for him, and UNI forces a tie-up.

The Panthers don’t get a shot off in the final seconds, but they still take a commanding eight-point lead into the break.

UNI 33/KU 26 — 2:59 left in 1st half

Farokhmanesh puts up a stepback, fadeaway three from the corner that swishes through. He’s not missing today (3-for-3 from three-point range). Meanwhile, UNI has hit six of 10 threes (60 percent).

Farokmanesh with his first two, a fadeaway in the lane that falls through. The Panthers have their largest lead at nine. Self calls another timeout.

KU with a well-designed play out of the break. The Jayhawks run the weave, and Taylor curls into the lane before throwing a lob to Marcus Morris for an alley-oop slam.

UNI 28/KU 23 — 5:28 left in 1st half

Tyrel Reed with a wide-open three from the corner. KU now 3-for-6 from deep. The Panthers are giving up open looks from the outside.

The loudest cheer of the day comes at the 10:15 mark, as UNI is called for its first foul. A few seconds later, the ovation is even louder when the Panthers pick up foul No. 2.

Aldrich gets it in deep, and he’s bumped on his way up for the shot. He makes one free throw.

KU is picking up the defense now. Eglseder has the ball slapped away in the post. The Jayhawks come up empty on two key possessions, though.

Another deep three, this time by Ali Farokhmanesh. His range knows no bounds.

Reed answers with a three for KU. He’s now given the Jayhawks two big threes.

Eglseder answers, rattling in another three. He’s doubled his three-pointers for the season in the first 13 minutes of this game.

Aldrich puts in a jumper, and the pace picks up. Sherron Collins takes the ball to the rim for two, and the Panthers aren’t adjusting well to the faster pace.

Farokhmanesh answers once again, though, swishing an open three. KU can’t get the deficit under two.

UNI 17/KU 12 — 11:44 left in 1st half

Kwadzo Ahelegbe puts in an 18-foot jumper. The Panthers have hit five of their first seven shots (71.4 percent), a trend that can't continue.

Northern Iowa doesn’t force a whole lot of turnovers, but KU is still giving it away at a high rate. Markieff Morris launches a pass well over Tyrel Reed’s head and out of bounds, and that’s KU’s third giveaway.

Marc Sonnen gets all the way to the rim for a layup, and UNI has rebuilt its eight-point lead.

Self is pretty high-strung on the sideline. He yells at Marcus. He yells at an official. He yells at Markieff. Not sure it’s the best thing to do with this team playing tight already.

Marcus Morris rattles in a three. The Jayhawks’ best looks are coming from deep.

After a foul from Marcus Morris, Self screams across the court to an official: “Six to nothing!” Sure enough, KU has six team fouls, while UNI has none.

UNI 12/KU 9 — 15:39 left in 1st half

Before the tip, Xavier Henry hugged each of KU’s starters and whispered something in their ears. I haven’t seen him do that all year.

Cole Aldrich puts in a long jump-hook on KU’s first possession to start the scoring.

Jordan Eglseder was only 1-for-9 from three this entire season, but on the Panthers’ first possession, he’s determined to get one to go down. He misses the first, but after an offensive rebound, he drains the second.

Eglseder follows with a jumper over Aldrich, and Kwadzo Ahelegbe is fouled in the lane by Aldrich, hitting both free throws.

Marcus Morris’ shot rattles out, and Johnny Moran follows with a deep three. That’s a 10-0 run for UNI, and the Jayhawks have dug themselves a 10-2 hole. Timeout KU. An eight-point deficit to UNI seems like more considering how few possessions the Panthers play.

Aldrich misses inside, but he grabs the loose ball and puts in the second try for two.

Eglseder gets the ball deep inside, though, and drops it into the hoop with his left hand. Aldrich didn’t offer much resistance there.

Xavier Henry knocks down a contested three for KU. Hitting those outside shots will be a huge key for the Jayhawks, as UNI gives up a lot of points from beyond the arc.

Marcus Morris with a strong move on the baseline, putting in a layup high off the glass.

Markieff Morris doesn’t do something Self wants, and Self lays into him at the media timeout. Nice comeback for KU, though, to cut the eight-point deficit immediately.

4:28 p.m.

Honestly, I'm a bit shocked at our poll on the left and with the predictions below that have KU scoring 70 and even (gasp!) above 80.

Northern Iowa plays the third-slowest of any team in the NCAA at 59.1 possessions per game. KU's average is about 1.2 points per possession. Multiply the two, and KU would score about 71.

But UNI's defense is much better than an average defense. And I would think that the Panthers might even try to play slower than normal today to try to pull off the upset.

To me, this game is more likely to be in the 50s than it is the 70s.

Give me KU 62, UNI 56.

4:20 p.m.

Looks like the bad weather is keeping some folks away from today's game. With 20 minutes to go till tip, still two-thirds of the upper deck remains unfilled.

3:12 p.m.

Here are some interesting quirks I found out about Northern Iowa yesterday (that didn't make this story):

1. UNI coach Ben Jacobson coaches like an offensive coordinator in football.

The Panthers run offense much differently than many other teams in Div. I.

UNI has more than 100 plays it can run (based on 20-30 original sets), and all of those are learned through repetition in practice. In fact, 6-foot-6 junior guard Kerwin Dunham told me that it takes the Panthers at least a half-hour to go through their offensive plays in practice.

Here's where Jacobson comes in. After scouting the opposing team, he picks out a few sets that he believes will be effective against the opposition. Then, in practice, the Panthers go over those sets.

Not only do the Panthers have plays, they have counters to those plays. So if Jacobson sees his team getting defended one way, he'll run the counter play to expose the opposing team's weakness.

Much like a football offensive coordinator changing the play after the defense is set, Jacobson tries to dial up the correct set once he recognizes how the opposition is trying to defend his team.

2. UNI's players are free to take any shot they want.

"He tells us that," 6-foot-1 guard Johnny Moran said. "He says, 'I won’t take you guys out for a bad shot or a turnover. But if you’re not playing defense — our team defense — if you’re dogging it out there, I’m going to get mad. I’m going to take you out.' He holds to it."

According to guard Kwadzo Ahelegbe, Jacobson had an interesting halftime message during Thursday's UNLV game when UNI was trailing by one:

"Do all the things defensively that I want," Ahelegbe recalled Jacobson saying, "and you guys can do whatever you want offensively within our scheme."

Koch said Jacobson won't get upset as long as his players are being aggressive offensively.

"If you have someone screaming at you all the time, you get more nervous. You get worked up," Moran said. "With him, if he is mad, he’ll take you over and tell you what you need to do and put you back in the game to give you another shot."

3. Jacobson does get upset ... just not that often

Though Jacobson is known as a mild-mannered guy, Koch said there was one time during a practice that he punted a basketball.

"That’s just so out of his character, it was almost funny to see," Koch said. "You wanted to kind of laugh at it, because that’s not him at all."

Moran said it was a few months into his freshman year before he'd heard Jacobson curse. Finally, it happened during a practice.

"Not giving 100 percent — that’s the one thing that will make him freak out," Moran said. "When you’re not giving it everything you have, when you’re not playing defense, that makes him mad."

Still, Jacobson seems to keep his cool even when nearly every other coach in America doesn't.

"He never gets too crazy. He never gets too low. He’s, like, perfect," Ahelegbe said. "It fits for all of us. Everyone has their own individual characteristics, but it works for all of us."

2:23 p.m.

Welcome back to the Newell Post Live, coming to you from the Ford Center in Oklahoma City where the No. 1-seeded Kansas Jayhawks are getting set to take on the ninth-seeded Northern Iowa Panthers.

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Comments

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't wait for it to begin!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Go KU!!!

waywardJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Tough game guys... not bad mouthing us at all on this one...

70- 65 Kansas.

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 10 months ago

KU 84 UNI 69

(I'm blaming the weather, earthquakes, the healthcare bill, Prius brake issues, and Ron Washington for the failure of my bracket.)

FairgroveJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm blaming the big least on my bracket failure.

FairgroveJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey Jesse - How many KU fans are there? Any Northern Iowa fans making noise?

Jesse Newell 9 years, 10 months ago

Fairgrove — Pretty good KU crowd. There seems to be a lot of blue behind both baskets. The arena isn't close to full yet. Looks like there's one full section of UNI fans. They made a lot of noise against UNLV two days ago.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

In the photo at top, what does that say on Reed's warmup shirt.

MrPilot 9 years, 10 months ago

It's becoming more and more apparent that the tournament committee just picked the seeding numbers out of a hat.

FairgroveJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hopefully those UNI fans will have little to make noise about.

Speaking of photos, in the KU vs. UNI pep rally photos above, the latest KU cheerleader fan was realized. It's pretty funny.

dynamitehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

My one year old is clearly not a fan of the Jayhawks yet, but he does love some rotel.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

soobawls just called me with his pick, UNI 99 KU 12.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Please ditch the Tennessee game for the start of the KU game in my viewing area, please!

Chad Hallack 9 years, 10 months ago

71-59 'Hawks

Let's get off to a good start today and keep a foot on their throats!

Rock Chalk!!!

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 10 months ago

Keys - The obvious: FTs, Rebs, TOs, shot selection

Not-so-obvious: Smooth, intelligent switches on screens Keep everyone fresh & out of foul trouble Push the ball

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Hoping but not happening. Those corporate bastards.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

We're only the top team in the country. Why would they switch to the Jayhawks? Now I see the score on the screen in the corner. So much for that. To the computer I go.

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

I almost don't want to post so that you all dont how badly I am doing in the brackets.... I also do not have UNI in the final four. What was I thinking...

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

UNI is playing at their pace----not good!!!!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Everything I expected out of Northern Iowa and more. They are better from the three point line than the stats indicate.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why do we ALWAYS start like horsesh@#$t, wake up guys or you wont be able to come back against this team.

Tom Pritchard 9 years, 10 months ago

Do we have someone at the post position?..D

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

God, CBS is awful. Switch to the KU game just in time for the under 16 timeout. Thanks!

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

please switch the coverage, the march madness on demand is terrible and choppy

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Looks like we turned the heat defensively. See if we can speed up the pace. Run, Run, Run!!!!!!!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Cole could be in for a long evening. May need Withey.

hellarockchalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Like I said before.....no swagger = nobodies scared of us.

Every teams thinks they can beat us instead of hopes they beat us....there is a big difference in the two

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

These slow starts are killing us....... Its gonna come back and bite us in the arse!

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

They'll get back. They just like to make it a challenge, so they give opponents a 10 point headstart.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I see how this game is going to be officiated.

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

I cant wait for a Jaybate post saying how this is genius coaching. I mean this strategy of starting off weak and not crushing teams is genius. I sure hope they are saving some plays for our Sweet 16 game.

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 10 months ago

We need to drive the ball. SC, where are you?

hellarockchalk 9 years, 10 months ago

game over guys........can't not foul, can't make a shot, can't keep them from scoring.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

Fouls: KU-6 and UNI-0. Give me a break!

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

Refs are awful too. I'll have something positive to post at some point, I swear. Morris for a three. There's something...

Joe Joseph 9 years, 10 months ago

Terrible officiating. Terrible defense. Missing open shots.

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Terrible performance.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

this ticky tacky foul crap is bs!!!!!!!! just what we didn't want! cmon zebras! geez..... the starts of theses games just KILL ME!!

ninja 9 years, 10 months ago

This team hasnt played a solid opening 10 minutes of a game. If the pattern continues, no NC for this squad.

IA4jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Great to hear from you today, soobawls!

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

My hat has officially been thrown. That balding UNI center is really getting on my nerves.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Wonder if Calipari paid off the officials to eliminate all possibilities of facing Self again.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Ben comes from the following coaching tree with connections to North Dakota, North Dakota State, Illinois St., UWash and .

Bob Bender--Illinois State and UWash

Ray Giacolleti--Now Utah, but formerly Eastern Washington, North Dakota State, and before that with Bender at Illinois STate and UWash.

Greg McDermott--now Iowa State, Northern Iowa, Wayne State, North Dakota State and North Dakota state with Giacolletti

Ben Jacobson--NIU, NIU assistant with McDermott, North Dakota, North Dakota State,

Note: This NIU team is basically a European professional team with a couple Americans thrown in.

This is going to be a very tough game it turns out.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Reed is the new Heinrich. Another timely 3!!!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

1 assist 4 turnovers 6 fouls

We are not playing are best basketball to say the least.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

i hate their center

why do guy seem to have their career games against us?

IA4jayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

soobawls, just quit it. You are a joke.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I am sick and tired of us running up against these shooting savants. GET in his JERSEY!

lovemyhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

cmon hawks........ let's finish this half on a BIG run!!!!!

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

If they have to depend on nothing but 3's they will play out.

ninja 9 years, 10 months ago

Just once, I would like to see all of our guys firing on offense. Every game its one or two guys that steps up, but if Sherron, Cole, Xavier, and Marcus could all play with consistency, we would be unbeatable.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

fan: That's what I thought agaist OK State and K. Paige.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

PLAY DEFENSE BOYS!!!!!!!! the beginning is behind us .... now PLAY BALL!!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

KU may not look like it, but if KU can stay close through this get adjusted patch, we're going to separate pretty soon. NIU is only up 5 shooting 62% from trey. We will very soon begin to work them over.

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

Does the NBA still even want Aldrich? He looks pretty soft.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

wow, they get so luck on all of their 3's.

it just seems like we can never stop the 3

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

1 trey all year by their goofey 7 footer and he's already hit 2 on us today? really? are you f@#$%ing kidding me! This is the type of team that will kill us, hot from 3 we can't stop them

Tom Pritchard 9 years, 10 months ago

Love ya Jaybate..Wish I was as positive..

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

This team doesn't seem to want this championship that bad.

1911sa 9 years, 10 months ago

why are we walking up the court. thats not KU basketball. get your butts in gear!

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I would like to see some pressure D on makes. Lets btry to speed them up into making mistakes.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

fudge this dude with the last name thats hard to spell. he cant keep shooting like this

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

Good call floridajayhawk. I think we'll see a 3-2 zone soon.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

You can't be serious. Punch that Farouk-f*cker in the farouking face.

cole45shotblocker 9 years, 10 months ago

Farokhmanesh is exploiting our weakness, perimeter d

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

The best part of watching this game on demand? No, not the choppy video. It is seeing Roy Williams in all those commercials.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

How about a FC press or a HC Trap? We need to make them uncomfortable!!!!

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Sherron needs to takeover and end this first half on a run!

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't understand...athletically, they shouldn't be able to hang!!!

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

What is our pregame preparation? Do we actually plan to make the other team overconfident before we decide to start playing? This might work against Lehigh but it's not going to work against Northern Iowa.

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Yuk and double yuk. Hope the upsets don't continue with this game. Come on Hawks, these guys came to play.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

wow sooballs, to say bad coaching and have you seen us this year....have you? we've only lost twice. yeah we played crappy games, but we managed to come out on top. its the first half and we're down single digits, chill.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

pilot100,

I said before the game this team was a tough match-up for us. I said we could blow them out if we played well, or lose if we let it turn into a FT shooting contest down the stretch. I also forecast it would turn ugly very soon. I was pretty close on all counts.

What I did not anticipate was that they could spell their footer with muscle.

I said the keys to the game were the 4 and 3 positions. It is going to be really tough to beat NIU, if Xavier is contained. and they keep Marcus off the boards.

This is one of those games we are going to have to win the hard way. NIU is playing their best, and we are not. NIU is using their depth beautifully so far and Self is not subbing. He will regret this the second half.

I am not sanguine, but NIU's trey shooting has already fallen to 54%.

Ben Kane 9 years, 10 months ago

this is disgusting. we don't deserve to win if we keep turning the ball over and not rebounding.

cole45shotblocker 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree with the softness and decision making, and go ahead and add aggression

ninja 9 years, 10 months ago

The worst part of this team is their lack of heart. It's astounding.

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jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Self has run into a very tough problem. McDermott has scoutted KU well and provided his pal Jacobson with the basics. Also, Self is clearly laboring himself with how to attack a team that runs mostly scripted plays.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry folks I can't take this sh!@ anymore, I'm done. I don't think they can come back, Cole playing like a B!@#%. Hope I'm wrong, but doubt it, peace. The Big 12 must of worn us out.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow....... Crappy way to end the half. If I was coach, I'm not sure I would even want to talk to the team at half.

I am confident though that KU will pull away in the second half. Adjustments will be made.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

this is absolutely PATHETIC!!!!!!! ugly ugly....... now i know why my heart sank when they first revealed the bracket on selection sunday!!!! i saw northern iowa and DID NOT WANT TO PLAY them. everyone convinced me we would be fine and i quit worrying. wow......... this is ridiculous........ uni hits everything, ku hits nothing and the zebras help the purple!!!!! this makes me SICK!! self better wake us up at halftime and somebody better get the hot hand and shut down uni"s or we are making an early embarrassing exit...........

Tagurit 9 years, 10 months ago

We will win it, adjustments will be made and talent will overcome..

JHWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Total embarrassment. They were not ready to play. That last drive by Sherron was terrible.
They seem to think they will just show up and win.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

That was a bad half. Gotta get better in the second half, right?

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

NIU is defending KU beautifully. They have figured out how to stuff Sherron coming off screens at the top of the key just as Chigan State did the second game last season and TAM did twice this season. The logical move is to shift Sherron to the wing and let him attack out of the weave. Very tough situation.

NIU is beating KU at its own down the middle game and by playing even better pressure defense.

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree, JHWK...just show up. Totally uninspired b-ball!!!

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Well this game is over. I really cannot believe that all the Jayhawk fans on this board believed we would win this game considering how we played last game.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

I hate this. Please give me some inspired play in the 2nd half. I can't take a heartbreaker this early in the tournament.

Alec White 9 years, 10 months ago

Simply put, this is the most embarrasing display of KU basketball I've ever seen. Where is the passion? Defense is mostly a mind-set, and we obviously have no desire for it. I don't give us more than a 25% to win this game. Our only chance is if that d-bag shooter gets cold over halftime. It's been a feeling all year long that we would bow out early in the tourney and I didn't want to believe it. Well, I believe it now. Sherron, your legacy is out of the door if you let a bunch of farm boys embarrass you the rest of the game.

FLJHK 9 years, 10 months ago

An ugly first half, but UNI has shot their wad. They will wear down in the 2nd half and the Hawks will pull away late. Don't lose the faith.

cole45shotblocker 9 years, 10 months ago

You're right lance1jhawk, adjustments will be made and we will win the game but if we're struggling against NIU how will we beat Mich. St., Tenn. or Ohio St.?

Bryan Swan 9 years, 10 months ago

KU must learn to play with an all comsuming sense of urgency from the opening tip...after all, with a deep bench so we should be able to do that...This play hot for only 10-15 minutes a game crap is gonna get up bounced...maybe today...

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I said this when the brackets came out. Northern Iowa was dumbed down. I saw them as a legit 5 seed. This is very Tennessee. Also know this. If we don't get it together the second half K-State will have a cakewalk to the title.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

Glad to see the comments about the refs. I am SO tired of refs calling against us. No way did we have 6 fouls to their 0 midway thru the 1st half! No, we aren't playing our best game, but I continue to see improvement after halftime... maybe we can pull it out again today. I am trying to stay confident but not sure I can stomach much more of an underdog playing lights out against us and they'll never play that way again in their lives..... AND, I think Soobawls should be ignored at this point. Something is missing in his/her life and he/she apparently enjoys taking it out on the Hawks! Not sure I've ever seen a positive post... Rock Chalk and come out strong 2nd half!!!

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

KU is done I have lost all faith in Bill Self. How can the number 1 team in the land come out flat every game this is just plain maddning. The funny thing is Northern Iowa is not that good they will get bounced next round by anyone.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

wtf? Not what I expected especially after our slow start vs. Lehigh. Thank goodness there's another half to get this corrected.

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

Just about every year must come to a disappointing loss. We have had so many close ones. When teams can shoot 60% from 3 it just seems you are not supposed to win. I so hope we can come back. Next year we are going to have to figure out how to defend the three. Teams are focusing on shooting the 3 against us and it seems they are all doing the same thing. This coach must have studied the Ok State game.

Currahee 9 years, 10 months ago

I've always been discontent with KU's ball handling. IT SUCKS. I thought it was going to bite us in the end, and now it's eating away at us. UNI is a nobody team. Their conference is a nobody conference. Tell me how is a party school kicking the living out of us?

That's it. If KU loses this one I can't follow the Jayhawks anymore. Roy with his every-year-is-a-disappointment runs, Self with unpredictable teams.

KU is probably the only school that pours so much money into its basketball program only to have poor returns. KU always comes back in the second half, but let's see if that holds true. Morale plays a big role in basketball and right now UNI is being fueled by it while it's going to make Kansas crumble.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Everyone needs to be prepared for the ITYSs (I told you so's) to come out whenever KU struggles this time of year. :-)

soobawls, 33-2. Sweet, baby! Pure brown sugar.

I am looking for a woman to mismanage me so well.

R U her? :-)

I can live with a little discipline when down 8 after a tough half.

Can you live with same after a good half?

Be mine valentine.:-)

Rock Chalk!

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

i never expected us to win it all.....thought we have a good shot.....but losing in 2nd round? unacceptable. c'mon boys, you're better than this!

i think they play better with adversity. i think they'll pull it out, but man I don't like it.

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

I need to drink more. Perhaps I'll understand better how the shooting percentage psychobabble is relevant. Flat out, UNI is playing better. They are creating better shooting opportunities offensively. They are playing better defense. After 20, they deserve to win. KU has to play better to reduce their shooting percentage. We just cant hope that UNI starts shooting more poorly and that the percentages even out. One more missed 3 and they are 46%. First thing they teach you to do with statistics is how to lie with them.

jcsmith 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry folks, but gotta say, we're not winning a NC this year. No way. Not being a band wagon fan at all. These last two games hae proved that we are not hard nosed enough to go all the way. We are far from tough, even if we come back and win this game. Our 08' team had swagger. This team has no swagger. We're not even a little bit hungry. Hang em up boys. I'll be extremely suprised if your season lasts past the next hour.

Even big dreams get squashed. I think we have all been spoiled by our 08' title. Collins is a legend, but even legends lose.

jayhawkboogeyman 9 years, 10 months ago

we could keep winning every game we sleepwalked through the first 20-30 minutes of. Our luck may have run out...

Dale Koch 9 years, 10 months ago

soobawls, the reason you are smelling sh&%t is because you have had your head up your a$$ all yr. go post somewhere else. You make me puke.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the memories Sherron. At this point all you will be remembered for is losing in the second round.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

NH_JHawk- Pour yourself a stiff one and hold on, the second half is going to be one to remember.... one way or another.

Chuck Wagstaff 9 years, 10 months ago

Second half adjustments - Push the freakin' ball ! Passing offense; dribble penetration to set up open shots. Get some fouls on those AAU factory workers inside. Tempo ! Tempo ! Tempo !

rockytx 9 years, 10 months ago

It is not a dog team we are losing to, give UNI some props. They create alot of matchup problems and this time of year it is all about that. They beat UNLV by 3 but if we played UNLV today, would beat them by 20. It is that little margin of error and luck of the draw. Just hope KU makes some shots and they start cooling off some and the Hawks will have a chance at the end

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

This will be the worst loss in Kansas tournament history, beating our loss against East Tennessee State University in the early nineties.

tstanlick1909 9 years, 10 months ago

We can score eight points so fast it will make their heads spin. We need to pressure and run the floor with Sherron and Tyshawn. We need to put Taylor on Farok and our half court offense must run through Cole and the Morris twins.

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

jcsmith, Collins only becomes a legend if he wins it all this year. If he lets his team lose today he is just another good player.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

FLHWK, I agree with that. Threes become a lot harder to hit late in the game. In fact, who is their Faruq guy guarding. I would make him work on defense, get him worn out. Of course, I have also seen in the past where you think the hot shooting cannot continue but it does. We need our own hot shot right now as well. But, the odds are that they will wear down, miss more shots, KU will make a run, will take the lead, and will win the game. Still, a lot of anguish.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

Okay! New shirt, new outlook! We can't lose!

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

kuwells - I'm gonna start drinking more too. That 1st half was painful. I still have confidence that we will come up with a big run in the 2nd half and pull this out. Rock Chalk!

Aligned 9 years, 10 months ago

Easy guys. There's another half to play and frankly, I like our chances!

cole45shotblocker 9 years, 10 months ago

UNI is not a nobody team, they are 2nd in the Mid-Major Top 25 behind Butler and ahead of St. Mary's, Cornell, Gonzaga, Siena, Old Dominion and Murray State

GilbertAZ 9 years, 10 months ago

Would everyone else besides jaybait please quit posting. I have said this ALL YEAR, we have the biggest bunch of cry baby fans I have ever seen. KU will win this game, Period. The last time I checked, college basketball was a 40 minute game. I can not recall any team officially quiting at halftime.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

lance1 - I'm on it, bro. More drinks to come in the 2nd half!

Keep the faith folks. We are Kansas!

tstanlick1909 9 years, 10 months ago

The trusty Jayhawk headband is now on..nothing to worry about now. If our players want this as badly as I do, we will win by 30+

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

rocky: You are very correct. Plus, in the end it is a game of who can get the ball in the basket in anyway possible. We better find a way.

ParisHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I will not give up on this team. I will not forget all they have done already this year no matter what happens today. I will always love Sherron and Cole.

Rock chalk !

FLJHK 9 years, 10 months ago

Settle down all. UNI will tighten, and the heart of a champion will be revealed in the 2nd half. It will be nervous, but KU will prevail.

Lex Valdez 9 years, 10 months ago

we took their best shot now its time to rally back! come on hawks!

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Ralster, You are a fool for defending this team. This team has no heart and lets be honest Sherron and Cole have been no where as good as last year. My question is why have these 2 players regressed from last year. If KU wins today which they will not they will lost next game. This team SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

drpeternate 9 years, 10 months ago

There's a lot of negativity going on in here, and understandably so. Look - NIU couldn't have played much of a better half, and KU couldn't have played much worse. There's 20 more minutes to play in this game - let's hang in there. We've come too far, and this team has too much talent to go out like this. KU by 6. Go Hawks!

Brian Stoops 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't worry guys / gals, the second half will be ours!

ellsworthhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Good Lord people. I thought this was a place for "fans" to post. there are 20 more minutes of basketball. If some of you wanna change colors at the half, dont you ever wear the crimson and blue again.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Here again, board rats are not giving credit where it is due; this is one heck of a team Jacobson has put together at NIU. It looks half way between a Michigan State team and a European pro team. If they weren't doing it to KU, I would be saying man there is a lot to learn from this coach about where basketball may be headed next. But for today, we're in a fight for our lives again, and we need some serious impacts from Sherron and Marcus and X.

The guy who has really disappeared the most is Tyshawn. Very sad. He just has basketball attention deficit disorder and there is no getting around it.

Cole has flopped defensively today. He let their footer equal his average the first half.

Sherron is struggling but mostly because NIU has schemed a good defense on him.

Tyshawn and X are supposed to step up when this happens and both guys are doing the disappear-o.

Marcus and Kieff are also struggling mightily. They won't let Marcus get anywhere near a rebound; this is one of the best tactical coaching jobs I've seen in quite awhile.

Self is really going to have to pull a rabbit out of his hat this time, because it appears that as NIU's trey shooting falls, so will KU's. KU is just not shooting well today. And the longer this goes on the more Jacobson will pull back and clog lanes and dare KU to beat NIU from outside.

Self has a problem on his hands.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

we're going to win this game, i have confidence

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

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Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Tarzan--- nice loyalty! I say bye bye to you for being a "fair weather fan!

Aloha!

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Were all you guys saying we were going to win after the halftimes of Davidson and Bucknell if so please ask yourselfs what is different?

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Way too much gloom and doom here. It is not like we are getting blow out by 30 points. Have a little faith.

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

TarzanKUfan. You are a totally pathetic excuse for a fan, if you are indeed one. Get off this site and go back to soap operas. I can't stand fair weather fans.

Currahee 9 years, 10 months ago

Why don't we just hand the ball to them? Seems it would make things easier.

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

Very smart plays by Taylor and Morris. This is looking so much better this half!

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

KURocksChalk not sure if you're watching this, but it feels like we're getting blown out. This team is embarrassing us.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

wow can anything fall for us or go our way?

we get a little run then a cheap foul away from the ball

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

KU is done nice adjustments Self, you all will not call me a troll when KU loses.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

If we don't hit shots nothing else matters.

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

Tell me again how much better it is going to be in the 2nd half.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

Maybe we're all mad because our brackets are going to get totally screwed when KU loses.

hellarockchalk 9 years, 10 months ago

It is hard to be positive, but, we have enjoyed for the most part, a good season. I think this might hurt in our recruiting though. Try again next year! Rock Chalk

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Tarzan- You are a troll and yes I will call you that next week win or lose. You and soo(tiny)bawls can go F* yourselves.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Jaybate,

Please tell me again how Kansas is built for the tournament, and how Self has these guys prepared for a deep tourney run. We have all been fooled into thinking Self is some magical coach. I am starting to think the 08 team was just plain good and it had nothing to do with Self.

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

After that pass by Collins I'm done. Call me fair weather. It's no use sitting around getting all mad.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

33-2 makes a lot of aliases that have been wrong about the team all season long have a lot of pent up ITYSs.

But 33-2 is 33-2.

That said, NIU is just doing it to us. They are beating us at our own game. They are outshooting us. All the other stats are almost even. Oh, and they are just flat out bigger and defending us better than we are them.

Very scary, but this is when the guys with the titanium testicles have to let them start swinging.

Bryan Swan 9 years, 10 months ago

Another turnover...5 minutes in and we are down by 10...and to those who have accused some of being fair weather fans...well, I call em like I see em and KU has been dominated this entire game so far...I amGo hopng/praying for a turnaround...C'mon! Henry just hit a 3...maybe this is the start...

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

Jaybate - don't blame coach, are you using your mirror?

Currahee 9 years, 10 months ago

We can't rebound. We make careless fouls. Turnovers a dime a dozen. The problem isn't shooting- it's just that we're giving the ball to them.

To those who say stay calm: hit the panic button. Now.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Self has his shooting team in right now. He's going to try to shoot his way out. But we're still not getting any stops.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

X isn't ready for NBA, Cole isn't ready for NBA and Collins will be lucky to make a team. Overrated chant maybe heard in Ford Center.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

The guy guarding Sherron is just doing a terrific job on Sherron. Best I've seen since the Chigan State bottled him up.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Come on guys lets be positive they may still lose in single digits.

Bryan Swan 9 years, 10 months ago

47-35 Northern Iowa...I think we may be done...They have shut down Collins, Aldrich is doing ok but being slightly outplayed by his counterpart...That 3-point shooting monster from Northern Iown can't miss...The twins do not seem to be much of a factor...Reed and Morningstar may need to start draining threes like there is no tomorrow...I am not sure what is going to work at this point...

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

We will now find out how much heart is in these guys. This is Collin's team so you have to leave him in but he sure is having a horrible game.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

We have to be more patient offensively. There is still time.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Game is over. You can see it in Self's eyes when they show him on tv.

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

I should have punched a hole in the TV on Thursday. Down 12 with 12 left. I am doing the wardrobe change over here too. This would be a great comeback. Self is going to have to do something wonderful here....

Chicago_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Apparently we don't want to win. If the guys wearing the uniform don't want it, maybe I shouldn't either.

Jeremy Bloom 9 years, 10 months ago

This must be a joke. What the hell is going on here?

razorhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

You all make me sick! I for one am not bailing on my Jayhawks. You pathetic, fairweather fans make my head spin with accolades one minute and criticizing the next. I'm sick and tired of hearing "we don't deserve to win"-my butt!!! If or when we win, it will be deserved, so spew your negativity somewhere else. PS-I've been wanting to say that for weeks-purging is good for the soul ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!!!!!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

When I was talking worst case scenario in my pre game, this was it. Down 12 with 12 to go. Man, this is going to turn into a FT shooting contest and that is NIU's strength.

Currahee 9 years, 10 months ago

That run may just be the boost in morale we need.

THIS IS HOW KU NEEDS TO PLAY AT ALL TIMES.

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

Quite a bit of heart left in these guys.

KULightsOut 9 years, 10 months ago

Can everybody just have the game of their lives against someone else please?

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

i still believe, i remember a certain 9 point deficit with 2:12 left to play....

momentum might just have switched, hopefully we can keep up the pressure

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Almost 9 minutes in and we haven't made a dent in the margin!!!

jayhawkinnc 9 years, 10 months ago

we look like dogcrap! actually, dogcrap looks better. how are we not killing these tools! pathetic. we're not playing hard, we're not playing defense, we're not hitting on offense, we're not getting any of the 50/50 balls. this is embarrassing. hello Sherron!!!! there is no tomorrow. get after it!!!!!

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

That was no foul, but oh well. Nice answer by UNI.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Think they missed a charging call there.

Alec White 9 years, 10 months ago

terrible call there, this year just wasn't ours, nice try guys

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

well nvm about the momentum, itd be nice if we could rebound and not give them the second chance....

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Gonna hate Sherron going out like this...he's having a HORRIBLE day!!!

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

They keep answering every run of ours. I'm officially worried now!

And by the way, I thought we were playing close to home; why the heck is the crowd on their side?!

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope UNI's style of play doesn't become a trend or something we see a lot in the future. This game is boring.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Too many games, too much speed and athleticism for too few good refs. I was watching another game where the refs were not up to speed.

Currahee 9 years, 10 months ago

See that? Points off turnovers? We're just giving the ball to them. That's our ONLY problem and that's what is going to rape is in this game.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

fla...not saying they are, just saying i bet everyone thought that it was over and now way to comeback. theres still time and everyones throwing in the towel

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

The truth is I love the hawks I am talking crap cause I am mad. I will not give up on this team. Rock Chalk Jayhawks win or lose. I am done venting I have become one with myself.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

for all you fans that think KU will come back I salute you but it isn't going to happen. NI has an answer for everything.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

FarSide, there are KSU fans there that are probably cheering for UNI.

1911sa 9 years, 10 months ago

how disappointing for a team who was #1 all year long goes out in the second round. i thought roy left to UNC?

Currahee 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm done being mad. I'm not a fair weather fan but I think you should be able to criticize your own team without catching flak. I know my comments are harsh but at the end of the day it's Rock Chalk, all the way.

I hope whoever UNI plays next they get the crap beat out of them.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Well Florida, I just use my head more than my feelings. Based upon past performance, the odds are that we will come back. This is purely based upon past performance. I am just not reacting to my disappointment like you are.

Chicago_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

This is going to become the Sherron show soon. I'm not always a fan of that.

Alec White 9 years, 10 months ago

Someone tell Sherron he's losing us this game

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

i never though id see the day when Xavier is hustling the most on defense

sherron is taking ill advised shots.

really? triple teamed on the baseline?

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

Now Cole hurt. Just keeps getting worse.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

C'mon Marcus! Get in your beast mode!!!

serferdude 9 years, 10 months ago

KU was down 9 with less than 2 minutes to play vs Memphis in 08, this isn't over yet

kc_wildfire 9 years, 10 months ago

Pretty hard to rebound when no one is boxing out.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't rebound over a smaller team just sad.

Bryan Swan 9 years, 10 months ago

Ok....let me be Self for a second...Every shot from here on out needs to be either a big man laying one off the glass (and maybe drawing a foul) or an uncontested trey...Nothing else will make up the points fast enough...

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

It's not 3pt shots that have killed us. It's poor defensive rebounding and turnovers. If we can stop/reverse those deficiencies, we could still pull it off.

bozeman 9 years, 10 months ago

7 points. Come on. We can do this. These chumps were lucky but now its on.

Bryan Swan 9 years, 10 months ago

Remember...there is an alternative to winning or losing at the end of regulation...and that is a tie...At this point, I will take it...

hawks25 9 years, 10 months ago

A championship team doesn't throw up their hands and give up. I'm not giving up until the buzzer sounds.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

With you Ralster!

Should have been pressing a long time ago!

jayhawkinATL 9 years, 10 months ago

Woo-hoo...we've cut 1 point off the halftime lead!!!!

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Getting outrebounded by a smaller team and taking quick shots, FU!@!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

KU is really gutting it out right now, but its a FT contest now.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

We need some defensive stops now. It's in reach now only down by 6 and we get the ball back. ROCK CHALK!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Just an amazing come back and trying to find a way to win when nothing is going right. Great heart. Great heart.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

No to 3s, keep it dense underneath and scrap for rebounds.

su39 9 years, 10 months ago

I told you they would come back and there is a lot of time left . Relax- you will give yourself an ulcer .

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Champions have to win a game like this. There is always one brutal one.

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

OK, new KU blue baseball cap, jayhawk basketball watch, 1988 NC shirt. Hell, I'd put Jayhawk panties on my head to cut this 6 point lead. Come on Hawks!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Champions have to win a game like this...better that it comes now than later.

bozeman 9 years, 10 months ago

that irish guy is not only ugly but also cliche.

Alec White 9 years, 10 months ago

that's two offensive fouls by Koch in the last few minutes they've missed

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Tyshawn choked massively on the open three.

He needs to come out.

And TOs will tell the tale. They have 5. KU has 13. Ouch! NIU is a very good team.

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

wow the driver lowered his shoulder, uh charge??

wow they hit one 3 and people thing that was the buzzer beater, theres still 3 minutes left and its a 2 possession game

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry. Didn't mean to post twice. It was a charge, though. Bad time for a no call. I hope that didn't kill our momentum. They are wearing out. Sherron needs to make a shot.

Alec White 9 years, 10 months ago

You can tell by our swagger (or lack of it) that this game is over.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't see a comeback guys. UNI is playing too smart. No Calipari coached Memphis here. Our mini-run was created by UNI playing fast, but now they're back to hold the ball for 30 seconds and shoot. I hate today.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Good patience by our guys. No time to panic. Now is the time to believe!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

This is what we don't want. A FT shooting contest. Get to the rim. Score.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Well guys I will love you win or lose but I dont have any more clothing ghanges left. Ive pullrd out an old 1988 t-shirt I hope there is some magic left in it!

Alec White 9 years, 10 months ago

rebounds and freethrows are what killed us

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

Rebounds and free throws!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

X missed a FT ..

1st half SC played poor.

so many chances....

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Please make the free throws this time!!

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Keep the ball on this end. If it gets to other side they will score, rebound or make free throws. Get the ball back.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes! Biggest defensive possession of the season coming here. No fouls, guys!

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

jhawkdan42 - I do. It only takes 1 point to win. Rock chalk!

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

ouch! that was a dagger. that kid has been un-freakin-conscious all day from 3.

kc_wildfire 9 years, 10 months ago

jaybate...

Champions give effort for 40 minutes a game not 10 like tonight.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

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KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

Every time I say it's over, something good for KU happens. So, once again, it's over.

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

It was a good year. Thanks for the many fine moments Hawks.

Jonathan Briles 9 years, 10 months ago

Ya know 33-3 means nothing when you lose in the second round. After a great season it is still one of the most unsuccessful I have ever seen. This team will be remembered for a long time as the one that really let it go.

ninja 9 years, 10 months ago

What an embarrassing end to the season. Guess this squad never understood you can't just show up and expect to win bc of the name on your jersey. Way to underachieve jayhawks.

FarSideHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

KU08 in that case, I say it really is over.

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

I wish we had gotten those two charging fouls. They sure didn't miss ours.

lozar34hawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow KU.. big disapointment this season! you over looked Northern iowa and you got your rear ends kicked! maybe when you get home u can pull their shoe out your butt and realized what just happend! good coachin self!

lozar34hawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow KU.. big disapointment this season! you over looked Northern iowa and you got your rear ends kicked! maybe when you get home u can pull their shoe out your butt and realized what just happend! good coachin self!

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

guys got too big headed, Collins and Aldrich the leaders didn't show leadership today.

jayhawkintx73 9 years, 10 months ago

They didn't play. Complete Embarrassment for the University.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

look at that the only one that cares didn't even play and is crying.

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

look at that the only one that cares didn't even play and is crying.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Northern Iowa is good folks. The MVC was not given credit. And once again a shooting savant torches us.

JHWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Worst loss in the history of men's basketball. I am embarrassed for all the fans and players.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

Worst loss in the history but of Kansas basketball. Bill Self has now coached in two of the three worst losses in the program.

NH_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hurts bad. I love my Jayhawks regardless. Rock Chalk!

Carolyn Hunzicker 9 years, 10 months ago

iI DON'T THINK OUR COACH HAD A VERY GOOD GAME PLAN....OUR GUYS WERE LOST THE WHOLE GAME. And........Aldrich and X need alot more experience before tinkering with the NBA. Aldrich just can't play with decent BI guys.....he doesn't have the physical ability...

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

That shot of Little was freaking painful.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, I hope Self learns from this. He has done a heck of a job, but has a vulnerability of Izzo type teams. I don't believe that you just always do what you do best. sometimes you have to adapt and radically alter what you do. I doubt if we did anything to throw these guys off today. Still, it was a great year. I always worry after we burn so much energy winning the Big 12 Tourney and have wondered if we should no lose the first game, go home, get some rest and prep for the real tourney. In fact, why dont we just scrap it.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Still love Self still love the Jayhawks. It is not the end of the world thing just happen sometimes. Good year hawks love you guys and I will always support you.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Still love Self still love the Jayhawks. It is not the end of the world thing just happen sometimes. Good year hawks love you guys and I will always support you.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Still love Self still love the Jayhawks. It is not the end of the world thing just happen sometimes. Good year hawks love you guys and I will always support you.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Still love Self still love the Jayhawks. It is not the end of the world thing just happen sometimes. Good year hawks love you guys and I will always support you.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

This hurts.... as fans we hurt. Sherron right now must feel awful, and I feel awful for him.
Wow, I just don't know what to say.... crap

1911sa 9 years, 10 months ago

ku really didnt deserve to win. they play like crap in the beginning of every game. and did that alot. serves us right. back to the good ole days of being so good in the regular season then not even making it to the elite 8. way to go kansas. its not selfs fault its collins taylor and aldrich.

i knew we would lose this game before it began.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

This hurts.... as fans we hurt. Sherron right now must feel awful, and I feel awful for him.
Wow, I just don't know what to say.... crap

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

This hurts.... as fans we hurt. Sherron right now must feel awful, and I feel awful for him.
Wow, I just don't know what to say.... crap

floridajayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope next year someone steps up, Little since he showed he cared, and carries this team with true leadership.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Sooballs F-OFF Go find another team to be a fan of we're all sick of your BS!!!

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

we deserved to lose, we cant play like absolute garbage the whole game up until the last 7 minutes. we just couldnt get that big break to put us over.

well go baylor now, thats who im rooting for

Jace FitzGibbon 9 years, 10 months ago

we deserved to lose, we cant play like absolute garbage the whole game up until the last 7 minutes. we just couldnt get that big break to put us over.

well go baylor now, thats who im rooting for

Brandon Hull 9 years, 10 months ago

Saw a quote from Self from earlier today or yesterday about whatever the pace is, we need to embrace it, fast or slow. I cannot believe that we never felt a need to dictate a pace whatsoever. I still like Self as a coach, but I just don't understand that judgment -- how do you NOT enforce your will on people with a talented team? How do you let others dictate? Seems that's exactly what happened today. Major disappointment.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I might have to agree hayjock, and I am a big Self supporter. We were cold from outside, they were hot, hot, hot. Maybe should have been pressing more of the game.

Benjamin Piehler 9 years, 10 months ago

i won the student raffle to go to st. louis... weak. ima go drink.

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

As if that wasn't bad enough I had my windows open the whole time, so now my wife and neighbors hate me. But, I did break a personal record for f-bombs.

Good season, 'Hawks. Wish it could have ended differently.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

I just can't believe SC has to end his career with THAT game, still luv but Damn!!!

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

This is the worst loss I've ever experienced as a fan. Syracuse and Bucknell don't even compare to this game. It's going to be a long time before the pain goes away. Having said that...

To all who blame Coach Self for this loss, Go Fu(k Yourselves!

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 10 months ago

Collins really cost us today. He has had a great career but I'm afraid that this game is going to be his legacy. If we had hit free throws and a few different calls by the refs would have helped but you can't count on that.

rcaltrider 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't wait until Little plays next year. It looks like he at least wants to win.

kufan89 9 years, 10 months ago

almost an incredible comeback. I feel just terrible for us the fans, and the team especially, Sherron. This hurts *cries. Helluva year. Still love my Jayhawks!

ROCK CHALK 4 LIFE!!!!

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, unlike a lot of fair weather fans---there were some really pathetic fair weather fans, btw---who said the game was over, I didn't give up!!!!!! You look at a lot of things that could have gone our way, the missed charging calls on UNI, the missed free throws---this game could have gone the other way. I can't say anything bad about the Jayhawks, or for Sherron Collins, for that matter. Sorry, folks! That's not me. I am sure someone will call me too nice or whatever, so be it. I feel sorry for Sherron. This loss will make the other players that are returning, hungrier. It was a great year. We had our deficiencies, that's for sure. I will not be a fair weathered fan, though. I refuse to act and pretend to be a fan when everything is rosy. And then, like some did say on this thread, that the game was over, when clearly, the Jayhawks almost pulled it out. This will be tough. It will makes us tougher for next season. Good luck to the rest of the Big 12 teams. RCJH forever!

leenyong 9 years, 10 months ago

Self didn't make the adjustment soon enough. Should have kept pounding on the inside and turned up the pressure D. That could at least take away or disrupt thier momentum to make up for our cold shooting and poor rebounding. What a disappointing season. There was the 2009 football season. Now this .... this is really hard to swallow ...

Bill Shaw 9 years, 10 months ago

We got in the bad habit of playing just a little better than the opposition. Then the habit of bad starts.

We needed more emphasis on scoring and fast breaks.

There's still one Kansas team left in the NCAA.

MrPilot 9 years, 10 months ago

Regardless of this game, I want to thank Coach Self and the Jayhawks for a great season. We'll be back next year.

And most of all, thank you Sherron Collins for an amazing 4 years: 4 Big 12 Regular Season Championships - 3 Big 12 Tournament Championships - 1 National Championship - Winningest Player in KU History

Rock Chalk!

razorhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Love my Hawks!! Good luck Sherron-you rock!!!!!! We will have an awesome team next year. no tis4tim-F-U and soobawls-go away...far...far...away!!!!!!!!!

razorhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Love my Hawks!! Good luck Sherron-you rock!!!!!! We will have an awesome team next year. no tis4tim-F-U and soobawls-go away...far...far...away!!!!!!!!!

razorhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Love my Hawks!! Good luck Sherron-you rock!!!!!! We will have an awesome team next year. no tis4tim-F-U and soobawls-go away...far...far...away!!!!!!!!!

Clarence Haynes 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't understand why we didn't use more pressure defense!

dchon 9 years, 10 months ago

soobawls, you won't get any badmouthing from me.

nobody on this team is above criticism..

we got outplayed in all facets of the game.. simply outplayed.

i had a bad feeling about this pUNI team ever since selection sunday..

well...

i hope obama has more luck with the healthcare mess than his bracket..

/facepalm

area51 9 years, 10 months ago

Goodbye sherron maybe cole will hang around for another year

MGJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Why didn't we shift to that match up zone that we play against K-State!!!??? We can't let them just shoot 3's wide open. Horrible outside defense and nobody could get themselves in rhythm. X and Cole need to really think about next year. Lots of unfinished business still on the table!!!

FML!!!

chalkrocker 9 years, 10 months ago

That hurt to watch. A lot. But I'll get over it. There's nothing better than being a Jayhawk fan. I'd rather lose with them than win with Northern Iowa or anybody else.

To those guys, and Coach, it's been a great ride--and a lot of fun for us fans. Thank you. Don't be too hard on yourselves. But don't be too easy on yourselves, either--we want wins next year.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

mikendal, don't give me this fair weather fan garbage. Everyone on here (except soobawls) loves Kansas unconditionally. Sometimes, you have to call it like it is. KU played uninspired ball until 5 minutes left in the game. If that doesn't upset you, then you're not much of a fan, just a cheerleader.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I also wonder how this affects recruiting?

Ron Franklin 9 years, 10 months ago

UNI was not a 9 seed. The entire tournament was seeded f*d up to create close games just like this one.

Regardless, if your a champion, you win when you need to win.

Good season Hawks. See ya in 8 months.

Andy Godwin 9 years, 10 months ago

Success at KU is measured by championships. How can you lose to UNI when you are suppose to be the best team in the country. Great time to not show up. Not even about to reach the sweet 16. How embarrassing.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 10 months ago

UNI was not a 9 seed. The entire tournament was seeded f*d up to create close games just like this one.

Regardless, if your a champion, you win when you need to win.

Good season Hawks. See ya in 8 months.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Damn, Jesse, no more CramSessions this season! That sucks!

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

Now we will have a new team leader. It is very difficult to lead a team to a national championship. The last shot is a sign of things to come. Our two best players at the end were Reed and Marcus. I think Collins gave it all he had. He will go down as the most winning Jayhawk of all time. I was very impressed with Reed in the Big 12 and now this tournament. I actually think our team will improve next year. I only wish Xavier would come back and get another year. However with Little and Releford, we will be just fine. I really hope Cole and Sherron get a really good draft position. They deserve it. They have worked very hard. Congratulations to the Hawks. Congratulations to Coach Bill Self. Have a great recruiting season. However, if we don't get another player we are going to be very good. I hope we come into next season as a preseason number 20. It is very hard to carry that #1 all year. I think it was a heavy burden.

buffhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

KU just had a game where they just looked past and UNI saw this game as their championship. SC did overlook this game. The KU players were just simply not mtoviated. UNI did have a fantastic game shooting the ball. They prolly would not have that type of shooting game 9 times out of ten. Self coaching seemed a little off today. I wonder why Morningstar didnt play that much and Reed played too much. KU did a horrible job of rotating the ball on offense. Aldrich did show he is kind of average when he is with another big man. Though I loved Mario Little after the game. A guy crrying who hasn't played a single minute this year. I have to say thanks Jayhawks for your season and all of your hard work.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Soo smelly balls- look in the mirror that is what is irrelevant, douchebag!

hawkward1 9 years, 10 months ago

We played their game, did not make them play ours. Would have liked to have seen Thomas Robinson in the second half. Put in CJ - get some threes going - something. Should have pressed more. When we did press we appeared afraid to double up and trap anyone. We looked weak and scared.

Play40Min 9 years, 10 months ago

My name says it all. We came in and expected to win. Didn't play like we wanted to win until 7 minutes left. Disappointing end to a great season.

KY_Cats1 9 years, 10 months ago

In case you missed it…

Sept. 24, 2009 – KY_Cats1 says:

“If the KU coaches, players, administration, alumni, students, parents, and soapbox fans are disappointed about this incident, wait until March when the team gets bounced early from the NCAA tournament. Now be assured there will be some heavy Kleenex usage on that day in Lawrence.”

Jan. 4, 2010 – KY_Cats1 says:

“Kansas, well they have a nice team but tend to sleepwalk through games. Also, the lack of a leader and go-to guy leaves them vulnerable, not to mention that there are way too many cooks in their kitchen to win more than a couple of tourney games. History says early tourney exit likely for this squad.”

Jan. 7, 2010 – KY_Cats1 says:

““Future headline likely coming to a screen near you:

“Kansas Gets Bounced Early Again from NCAA Tourney by TBD Mid-Major St. University””

Jan. 11, 2010 – KY_Cats1 says:

“Be careful going down the mountain Kansas. It is a long way down. We are not likely to see KU in any meaningful games from this point forward. That first weekend loss in the NCAA tourney is looking more and more like a lock now for KU.”

Never, EVER, doubt what KY_Cats1 says. Oh, and I had Northern Iowa in my tourney brackets too.

Go Big Blue!!!

UK Wildcats YOUR 2009-’10 NCAA Tourney Champs First College Basketball Program to 2,000 Wins

Bill Kackley 9 years, 10 months ago

The best TEAM won, not the team with the most talent. Somehow the coaches have to get across to the players that they need to play with intensity for 40 minutes.

Chicago_JHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow. Hurts more than UTEP and Arizona combined. Bucknell and Bradley don't compare - we weren't expected to contend in those years.

Tireman21 9 years, 10 months ago

They might have been the best 9 seed ive ever seen. With a 30-4 record, and the second best defenseive average in the country, you would think you would get a better seed. Also, that bracket as a whole was just a bad draw for Kansas. Why does the number one team have to play the hardest bracket?

That being said, we still should have taken it to those chumps. I hate that this team is so unsound fundamentally. With the talent they have, they could have gone down as a far greater team with a little more work on those fundamentals.

Scott Lippoldt 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey, 'Hawks, if you read any of this (hopefully not!), we are proud of you! Great season, even if it ended too soon. BTW: SooBawls is not one of us. Can't wait for next season. RCJH!

jjabel 9 years, 10 months ago

What a tough time to live in Iowa...I may have to skip out of work this week to mourn the loss and so I don't have to hear the UNI fans who will be high as a kite for this once in a lifetime moment

Its hard to win a game when you only play 5 minutes of a 40 minute game and the other team plays all 40 minutes....Geeze, how I wish I lived back in Kansas now

hawkward1 9 years, 10 months ago

Sooballs - (Fill in the blanks quiz.) Your only legacy ran down the ___ of your mother's _.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

And to make matters worse these highlights will run for several weeks. But I will say it again, Northern Iowa was better than the seeding and better than their top 25 position. The MVC was not a slouch conference at the top.

As far as Self going man and no zone, that is his pedigree, part of the Sutton tree. Not saying it's bad, it's just a fact. And certain matchups will expose you given the right conditions. We could hit from outside. Once that was evident Northern Iowa packed it in and nullified our offensive rebounding. Any fast breaking was non-existent in large part because NI got most of the 50/50 rebounds.

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 10 months ago

All year long, we have been playing to the level fo the competition. Usually we overcame it but today it caught up with us. Hopefully the returning players will learn a lesson from this loss; the lesson being ready to play every game to blow out the competition.

ku98 9 years, 10 months ago

I was curious to read everyone's comments about the game, but all the fair weather "fans" who blast Sherron, Coach Self, or anyone else on that team, just make me sick.
Shame on all of you.

1977kufan 9 years, 10 months ago

Despite the outstanding year, virtually everyone of these Jayhawks players have some unfinished business. We actually performed better last year and at least made it to the sweet 16. This is indeed embarrasing in so many ways. Unfortunately, Sherron can not come back, but I can not make a case for anyone else "going to the bank in the NBA". Note to Jesse, great articles on who could win it all this year - might want to try a series on the most embarrasing and devastating losses in KU Basketball history. You have one already, today's game.

NUSports 9 years, 10 months ago

On behalf of the entire Big12 conference, I'd like to thank the Rock-Choke Jayhawks for representing us with a pitifull effort. They were totally looking forward to the party with their 'fat girlfriends' (per TTLeach) later tonight.

Again, there's always next year!

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

razorhawk,

Why the hostility? I'll chalk up your personal attack to the sting of a loss, but it's totally uncalled for. I've never made a direct attack on anyone else here, and I would expect the same in return. Thanks.

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Breakdown of the game was the wide open 3 for Ali Farok w 30 seconds left. That was the game. Too bad. A agree that we did not play our best, but I lay this on the coach. I hope we find a good replacement for him after he bolts for OSU now out of embarrassment. Maybe we should talk to the UNI Coach, an apparent up and comer. Read Forde;s article on UNI. He picked them to make some noise a couple of weeks ago.

jayhawkfan78 9 years, 10 months ago

I just wanted to thank all the players and coaches for a great season. Although this hurts horribly right now it too shall pass. We witnessed alot of great milestones this season.... A new single season shot blocker (cole), most wins by a KU player (sherron...and brady) and we reached 2000+ wins.

We are Kansas and we get everyones best shot EVERY TIME we take the floor. We aren't going to win everytime and I wish we could have pulled this out today we have to all hold our heads high and be proud of the guys and coaches. I can only imagine how heartbroken they are right now.

To Sherron: I have enjoyed watcing you mature and grow over the last 4 years, and you have nothing to hang your head about.. You are a Jayhawk and you always will be no matter where life takes you next. We love you here and you will hold a special place in our hearts always. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you have done for the team and may you have nothing but success in the future.

RCJH GO KU!!!!!!!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Wondered how long it would be before the slimeball Ky started crowing, come back on here when you guys get bounced

hawksince51 9 years, 10 months ago

How can anyone blame Self? In spite of the poor start, poor rebounding, stupid turnovers, poor shooting by Collins, we were back in the game thanks to a very effective press that Self must be given most of the credit for. Then 2 bad possessions burned us at the end--X missed the front end of the one and one and Collins charged. Again, how are those Self's fault? Our key players simply did not get the job done and we were up against a very solid, hot shooting team. It happens--that's why they call it March Madness. I have suffered through Wilt, Harp, Owens and Williams none of whom gave us an NC. Self has!!

dchon 9 years, 10 months ago

My passion for KU is now being re-routed towards UK losing..

It will balance out this black hole I'm feeling right now.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't believe I have to root for the pussycats now,damn I have to really start drinking now!

optichawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I enjoyed the season (not the end), lots to be proud of: Taking over #2 in All Time Wins...6th Straight Big 12 Championship...Beating K-State 3 times in a row and MU by an avg of 22 pts...Sr. Night with Sherron... I could go on. I hope the early exit will get the returning players focused for next year, and that it started when Mario Little decided to get up off the ground. Final word: Rock Chalk!!!

milwaukeeJAYHAWK 9 years, 10 months ago

Tough way to lose, boys. man, i was worried about our killer instinct but didn't see this coming!

we'll miss you sherron!

Cole & Xavier....come back! this would be an ugly last game for you guys!

ramsrevenge 9 years, 10 months ago

One of the biggest letdowns in ku history. Cole and X better be back next year. They played weak!!! To leave like they may...no comment. Sorry and don't get me wrong..I love the hawks and will get over this, it's just when you're such a fan it hurts...bad!

Jaminrawk 9 years, 10 months ago

The Jayhawk fans talking smack on Self are a joke. He has a ring. Williams NEVER did that here. Williams lost to UTEP and Rhode Island. How quick people are to pile on. UNI played a perfect game by their standards. KU didn't. Quit acting like spolied brats. I'm just as disappointed as anyone but it's easy to forget how good it is to be a KU basketball fan in comparison to 99% of the other universities.

Darsves 9 years, 10 months ago

Well that was depressing. A great season, but a disappointing end. Northern Iowa did look arrogant, but I believe we were the more arrogant team. I think we came into the game expecting to win just by showing up and we got put into a hole early and we just couldn't get out of it once we gave them their confidence. No surprise we lost though, Tennessee, Oklahoma State, and Northern Iowa killed us with their three point shooting. We shot better overall, but their threes really killed our momentum and they kept finding ways to keep the gap in the score around 8 or so. Oh, well, always next season. I really hope X and Cole stay for another season. I think X definitely needs to, but I do think Cole could use just a little bit more practice on the offensive end although he did decent tonight.

And Please Wake, defeat Kentucky. If Kentucky keeps winning, I fear that some of our recruits (who all seem to include Kentucky on their list) will decide to go there instead and play for a coach who's never won a NC. I don't get why so many players want to play for Calipari when he's never won a championship and been at the helm of programs where there's always an investigation that follow his hire. Something fishy perhaps going on behind the scenes? Perhaps, perhaps.

Lucas O'Rear - "Beating Kansas? So easy a caveman can do it"

Ugh...

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

kuwells NH_JHawk

Shoot me a line if you are going to be in Lawrence anytime soon... I will make the drive and effort to meet you there. (We must party together)

Jesse Newell- great job this season and it was great seeing you in KC for the big 12 championship game. You and Eric do a great job. RCJHGKU

lovemyhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

that had to be one of the worst games i ever sat thru in my life...... and truly, i didn't even watch for awhile.... it was too painful. now i know why seeing "northern iowa" on that initial first bracket made me sick......... wow....... guess deep down i knew something. but, i truly DID gain confidence and believe it would be okay today but ya know, i never enjoyed one single second of that game and i've never in my life said that about a game. we started bad and though we gave it a good fight, it just wasn't meant to be. i tried to believe and without that last "3" we had a great chance for a miracle comeback or even OT which i would have embraced big time!! but UNI always had an answer and we were just not sharp..... not ever......... i'm SOOOOOO tired of slow starts and bad first halves but i thought the 2nd would be different....... wow....... the 2nd chance points for them on the boards and all our ugly turnovers KILLED us and of course, we did NOT want them at the line and we know why.......it was just not pretty. refs did NOT help and i thought there were some bad bad calls and never a break for us but we should not have had to worry about that. i'm sick and don't even care about the rest of the tourney now....... i had my heart set on winning it all and certainly NO Less than a final 4 and wow, an embarrassing early exit. i'm crushed and i know sherron and cole had NO idea in the world that it would end this way and so painfully. where was our intensity???? it came at the end but i thought we would know by now that we needed it for 40 minutes and wow, we led a whole flippin 47 seconds against a #9 seed????????? wow, pathetic all the way. there is no fan bigger than me and i love them no matter what but i'm embarrassed and hating the fact that i have to face so many who will be SOOOOOOO ugly, especially the wildcat fans that i can hardly bear. i only asked that we go FARTHER than ksu in the tournament...... i never dreamed the end would come so soon. it was NOT sherron's day and i kept thinking he would take over and bring us back. the charges on tyrel were horrible..... so many things were horrible............ i'm forever a fan but i'm sick right now and crushed to see such a promising season end so badly................

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Article on UNI is

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=4974228

I will keep saying this until T-shirts come out in Lawrence. Patience Wins! We did not work the ball around enough. Our strength is inside. We were not spaced well for rebounds. Farok shot well but he did not kill us except for his last three which should have been contested. Otherwise, he did not have that many points. This was primarily an offensive fizzle. We have to work the ball around and be patient.

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

Good-After a poor loss like this, I can't see how in the world X or Cole will be gone, if u can't shine big time against a mid-major, well enough said about that!! Bad--We could only get 6 steals from a mid major,sad--No hustle is what it shows! UGLY--The loss, 15 TO's, which 20 points game off that-Collins who stunk-and yes the stats back it up. Tyshawn must have drank whatever Collins did because he looked very poor also. THEY shot 16-19 from the ft line, uhm, I said many times throughout the year this would cost us, as we shot 13-18 for 72%. Their big had 14 points ours 13.

+/- of players

  • for every points, assist, steal, assist, block and rebound
  • for every missed fg, every turnover every missed freethrow

  • Cole Aldrich------------------------27 points--shot only 2 ft's for the game-had 2 to's

  • Marcus Morris---------------------17 points--had 3 to's
  • Markieff Morris--------------------12 points--2 to's
  • X------------------------------------------8 points--1 free throw att., and he missed it
  • Tyrel Reed----------------------------5 points-2 to's--
  • Collins---------------------------------2 points-4-15 fg,0-5 from the 3's, only 2 ft's, 5 TO's and 0 steals and only 4 asst.
  • Tyshawn Taylor-------------------- 1 point--0-6 from fg, 2 assist only 2 ft's
  • Brady Moringstar------------------ -1., 0-1, 1 assist and no defense for mr. glue

Overall: All year many were saying, " just settle down we will be fine!" Those same people are making excuses now. The turnovers got up with us. The stats speak for themselves, Collins was all year over-rated, just like the Big 12 as a whole and the Big East. Say what u want,The stats all year don't lie!

Big time players produce in a big time game!" The stock market has bottom out for many who believed they were good enough for the NBA, what a joke, they can't gaurd or beat a mid-major. Come back and hit the off-season as a team, it worked for the twins, bbut 2 out of 5 is not enough. We needed more heart!!

Sad day to be a hawk--

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

A great comeback "almost" against an NIU team of giant killers that played a good game, but statistically speaking, nothing above average for them. They are the best 9 seed I've ever seen.

They beat us at our own game. Pressure and disruption and shooting (besting us at FGAs, treys, and FT..

Disruption Stat:

NIU 9/9 KU 6/15

NIU is just an amazing team. They have for a season averaged 1/1 on the disruption stat. Amazing.

Ben Jacobson is a fine coach destined to do big things. McDermott's two views of KU and a week for NIU to prepare stuffed us. McDermott did for Jacobson what Dunphy did for Donohue of Cornell, when we struggled with Cornell.

And man is NIU big and burly and deep. When has there ever been a mid major that goes 9 deep with burly guys who can shoot 75-80% on FTs, defend superbly, and make so few mistakes. Just remarkable.

Does NIU beat us on a regular shooting night? Of course not. We blow them out by 15. But when we shoot 25% from trey, and play a team that pressures and disrupts better, not even a Herculean effort on our part could make up for it.

This was not inconsistency, or lack of effort IMHO. It was just what happens in the three point era of muscle ball, when one team protects the ball and plays to its averages and another team has a really tough night from trey ville.

We didn't shoot well against an NIU team that played great defense all season long, made scant mistakes, and hit 7.5 of 10 free throws on average. A remarkable team. Not even a little pretty, but truly a remarkable team.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

optichawk, I think UNC either tied or is leading us in the all time wins category. They are still playing in the NIT. We can't hang out hat on that. Unless KU surprises the heck out of everyone next year, we'll be stuck in 3rd place again.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

NIU may well beat Michigan State. I would say that Michigan State-NIU will be a slugfest to remember. Could be 46--45 game.

Here's the thing about NIU. They did not play over their heads to beat KU. I repeat. They did not play an especially good game to beat us. They just played a good game, not a great one.

KU could not come up with anything that worked the entire game except pressing and scrambling and desperate play down the stretch.

KU's biggest tactical error was in not handling the double teams of Cole at all. Cole could never find the open man.

NIU suprised me in that they guarded the trey stripe and guarded us inside equally well. This was the fewest open looks from trinity KU has had all season.

Cole got smoked. Their footer scored 6 points over his average.

Sherron got punked. He couldn't hit anything at all and a lot of it was their defense. Sherron just didn't have much gas in his tank today. NIU just clogged the middle and he could not penetrate anywhere. And his trey shot was off, because he didn't have enough in his tank. It was easily the best defensive performance on KU and Sherron all season.

Marcus and Kieff played the best of anyone except for one thing: for an entire half and a half of another, they were kept miles from the glass.

Xavier was a nonfactor, then amped it up the last 8 minutes, but it was too late. He needs to bring it from the beginning. He would, if it were his team, but it wasn't. It was Sherron's and Cole's. Xav will go down in history as the guy who could have been a great one, but who went pro instead.

Woe was Tyshawn. His on ball defense was quite good all the time, but he slid back into lack of concentration on off ball defense, and he just lost all confidence offensively against this bunch of bruisers. I guess he's just a sensitive guy. He did about the third straight disappear-o on offense, but he played some good defense down the stretch. But Tyshawn can't wait till the end to sparkle and he can't choke when it is time to take a trey.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Brady was a noncontributor even though he played some good defense. Brady has not adapted well to being a back up. It showed again today. When Self bet the farm on Tyshawn, he bet on a guy who began to disappear and Self's expectation that Brady could keep playing a high level went unfulfilled. The 2 spot now looks like a problem next season. If Woolridge has game, if he has swagger, if he has a trey gun, or if Brandon Knight shows up, these two fellows may be spending a lot of time on the bench. I don't know if Self will bet the farm on two guys that disappeared the way these two have for three straight games down the stretch.

Tyrel continued to play well.

I was greatly saddened to see Little on the floor on his knees. I take it to mean he was feeling like he might have averted this had he not red shirted. No, Mario. The problem with this team, when all was said and done, was that the guys who were kept --Withey and TRob and Elijah--just could not come along fast enough to give this team respectable depth. Think next, Mario. Next season started the minute KU lost. Kansas men do not fall to their knees, no matter what. You are going to help lead us back to greatness next season.

A very sad ending to a very fine season.

As Coach Self says, "Your best players have to play well, when you labor." Neither did.

Sherron had a bad game. And Cole had a bad game, even though Cole's line score did not look so bad.

Marcus Morris was our best player today. Markieff was our second best player. We are lucky they are coming back.

It is hard to win, when your two best players play poorly.

It is sad, when they are leaving for the pros.

But we've got two fine players in the Morris Twins to build around, and we've got a lot of supporting players, plus Withey and TRob who could develop into something good, plus Little and Releford who seem to have the right stuff already.

Now everything depends on what the cat drags in for recruits and on how bad guys want to work for Hudy.

If I were to recommend Self and Hudy to look carefully at it would be this: why was this team so many times this season? Something has seemed wrong with the conditioning all season. Marcus and Kieff seem the only two guys that could stay fresh every game and they were splitting minutes. Are our guys carrying too much weight to play 7-8 man ball? Does muscle ball mean you have to have 9, or 10?

It was a special season. Just not as special as we hoped.

Next.

Rock Chalk!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Let me conclude by saying just how much I hate the Turd Center in Oklahoma City. From now on I'd rather be sent to B*()&^%$ Egypt.

babyjay1 9 years, 10 months ago

I am continually disappointed in some of the people who post on here and say they are KU fans. I little criticism is one thing but CONSTANT bashing whenever we don't win is absurd. This was horribly sad and I feel sick for Sherron and Cole and Coach Self - of course they wanted this win, just not as much as Norther Iowa did... We didn't play a very good game but the refs SUCKED !!!!!!! Playing against them is NOT what is supposed to happen... I love my Hawks and will not bash them for losing! I wish the "fans" who come on here and never support the Hawks (unless they are playing brilliantly), would find somewhere else to post. You play the game because anything can happen and this tournament is full of upsets. This is my venting because I am devasted and disappointed and wish they could start over and play the game again. But I will support them forever and will anxiously await next football season and look forward to basketball again next year!!! ROCK CHALK forever!!!!!

jayjank 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah Collins could have played better. Yeah Self could have tried to change the pace of the game or prepare the players better against an underdog. Yeah we made a lot of mistakes. Yeah we overlooked them. We thought we would win the game with a 5 minute run at some point. We thought we had a large margin for error. Well, we lost.You make mistakes, learn from them and come back stronger. It sucks that such a great season ended like this, but I don't think fans' disappointment compares to players' disappointment. They are young kids. It was heartbreaking to see them devastated after the game. Proud of them. NCAA tournament isn't going anywhere. We will come back next year, and the year after, and the year after. Great to be a Jayhawk.

RCJH GO KU!!!!!!

yates33333 9 years, 10 months ago

dchon (anonymous) says…

"nobody on this team is above criticism..

we got outplayed in all facets of the game.. simply outplayed."

That sums it up.

lance1jhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

BCRavenJHawkfan- I fell you brother. Oklahomo has never been nice to us.

KUjhawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

Every game this team came in and thought they were gonna win because Kansas was on their jersey. They played terrible but had the talent to realize midway through that they had to fight. All year we won close games, but had no killer instinct. This WAS SHERRON'S TEAM but that doesnt mean you can force bad shot after bad shot because your the leader..that means(prime example senior night) as a leader you get everyone envolved and we have the talent to crush people when he drives and passes!!

ONE QUESTION How good of a tourney coach is Bill Self? We never looked ready to play and if Davidson hits that shot..he's never been past the Elite 8. That champioship team had 4 nba players on it..im starting to think he soley wins on talent-

KURocksChalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Anyone else think Self will be getting another overture from OSU? Just because there is no apparent opening does not mean anything.

ldjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hard to take for someone who lives in London, England and has no one to share the terrible feeling now!

To be honest I was never convinced we could win it all this year - something was just not right compared to the 08' team - but as everyone else didn't expect us to be axed this early!

Full credits to NIU. They looked like a top 5 seed at least. Yes we do have problems with physical teams under Self's watch. And noting using pressure defence + relying on a cold Sherron tonight caused us the game, not to mention a even greater season.

But what about the clichés: free-throw, offensive rebound, killer-instint... the list goes on.

I would say Self still has LOTS to learn and improve. That 08' Champ was a surprise. Honestly folks, who had foreseen that big win against UNC and the comeback in the final?

A great season it still is, but unfortunately in college basketball your season is measured by the tournament success... a 7.5 out of 10 for me, to rate this season, judged by the massive let-down of this defeat.

Now it's interesting to see if Cold and X will return. I predict Cole to, skimpily that he wants an education and he truly is a Jayhawk. I will be disappointed if he doesn't...

Also Cole's draft position will hurt a lot after this lose.

X never convinces me throughout the season. Is he a lottery pick after all? For me him missing that one-and-one costed us the comeback. I think he might go - hope he won't and win my respect back.

It may take a long while to have a as talented team as this year's. So folks it is a lonely, sad and depressing night here at rainy London...

Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

This is the same feeling as Arizona and Syracuse. These are the three years I've been 'sure' about the 'Hawks winning it all. It doesn't matter when the loss comes.
All the people calling each other names here grow up. We lost, deal with it. (Sooballs maybe you were right about this team)

BringBackNike 9 years, 10 months ago

To everyone talking crap on Bill Self, you better shut your mouths! We have one of the best coaches in the nation. Don't act like we could do better.

kstrebor 9 years, 10 months ago

Great season Hawks, 33-3 is a success in my book. My family is real proud of how you all played. Hope to see most of you back next year and some fresh faces to follow. Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

jhox 9 years, 10 months ago

They shot lights out. They got way too many offensive rebounds They showed great patience with the ball.

We should have pressed a lot earlier than we did and tried to speed them up a bit.

Charging / blocking calls that went against Tyrell were killer. I'm not sure I agreed with any of them. HIs chages took place too far under the basket to be legit. They should have either been no calls or should have been called against the defense for being set too far under the basket.

Time to try to get out of this emotional funk, and look forward to football season. If I can bring myself to watch any more of this tournament, I'll be rooting for Turgeon and A&M.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

KU08--- Yea, just a cheerleader---yea, right. Won't you say that to KU98 and others that said basically the same thing. Even Ralster said it, too! You have no clue what kind of a fan I am. My blood bleeds crimson blue and shame on you for accusing me others, being cheerleaders.

On a more positive note--- Jayjank, my thoughts exactly! I think Self should have gone to the full-court press sooner. Just an observation, though.

rcjh!

YuCoJayHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow, its like 1997 all over again. The empty feeling in my gut. #1 almost the entire season, but an unbelievable set of events takes down KU...... I sincerely doubt Northern Iowa goes on to beat two more #1's and win a NC (like AZ in 97).... A brutal hangover awaits me tomorrow, cuz its time for the 60 minute club.

4 min into the second half, I tried to convince myself that KU had no chance to win this game, because, honestly, they were being out played in almost all facets of the game. But KU kept coming back, making it close, then instantly making bad plays. I was trying to spare myself the monumental hurt that this loss would cause, and when we got within one, I honestly thought KU would pull it out. Only to have a farukemanoushamongenek hit one more three. I CANNOT stand watching KU play these kind of teams. They get up by 8 or 10, use all the shot clock... then get off an unbalanced shot that miraculously goes in or have the one guy (amongst four jayhawks) that gets the rebound.... then waist 35 more seconds of game clock.

I love Sherron and all he has done for KU, but he seemed so sluggish today, and to be honest with you, I'm ready for KU to have point guard with a different skill set than Sherron. A little more height, little more ability to dish to an open man, little better ball handler, etc...

Have no idea if this loss affects the decisions of X and Cole to go pro. But, the cubbard is full. KU starts the season next year in the top 8, and might even be better all around.

Hope springs eternal. Hey Mario, lets not end next season with tears of sorrow, but tears of JOY!! National Championship JOY!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Will the sun come up tomorow? The answer is yes but with one HELL of a hangover! Still luv ya Hawks!

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

KURocksChalk:

I doubt Self looks to go and I doubt Lew feels compelled to set him free. We did acomplish the first and second goals set forth for the year.......conference champions and conference tournament champions.

buffhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

im not making excuses but coming into the tourney UNI was not a 9 seed they should of gotten around a 6 or 7 seed. they were in the top 25. also ku was put into the toughest bracket. i have a feeling the UCLA athletic director (the director of the selection committee) is real happy to see KU lose.

lovemyhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

certainly the number 1 seed overall meant nothing...... it was a ripoff from the get-go. playing close to home meant nothing........ and i'd like to stay away from oklahoma from now on too. it was hard to keep believing today because we NEVER had it and never had a lead to build on....... we were outplayed, we were outcoached, i think, even if we made a great comeback and ALMOST had a miracle win....... almost means nothing at this point. i'm still in shock, i'm sick and yes, i'm embarrassed. it was a pathetic showing for a team expected to win it all and with SOOOOOO much promise. we lacked the killer instinct..... we RARELY saw a true #1 team anytime this season for 40 minutes......... it was an exhausting team to follow because they simply did not want to blow teams out this year. i loved them to death and i'm proud to be a jayhawk all the way, but this was one that will hurt forever and they will talk about it at length thru the rest of the tournament and make us all dwell on it more. very very sad horrible ending to sherron's career........... makes me hurt for him. x and cole are not REALLY ready for the nba but who knows what they will be thinking now........ marcus is the man...... and he's got a lot to go with him no matter what. wow........ just didn't plan on talking about next year so soon.........

Scott Smetana 9 years, 10 months ago

Our hawks fought very hard the second half. Overall I thought we played pretty well and shot the 3 very poorly.

Bad luck running into a solid defense minded, no turnover, red-hot team, my biggest fear all season long. The tourney takes skills and LUCK!

Self should not have pressed with 41 seconds left. That led to the open 3.

Marcus was/is ready to make it to a new level. He should have touched the ball every possession during the game.

Nothing against his great memories, but we will be just as good next season without inconsistent Sherron and in fast games without Cole.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Looks like Pullin has a hip pointer. I can tell you from experince(High school ball) that is one painful injury to play with.

BCRavenJHawkfan 9 years, 10 months ago

And one more to this list:

G. McNamara N. Fazikas A. Voskuil K. Paige and the newest member of the Shooting Geeks club A. Farokhmanesh. He was on a basketball jihad.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

KY_Cats1,

As usual the word for Contucky is: Memphuckied.

Probation after a short walk down a dark path.

What ever UCon wins, it will forfeit in a year or two.

KU will be a top ten team again, unless Self jumps with Cal. :-)

You will be washing the mousse off your thumbs that Cal put on them to stick them up your own u know whats for him and World Wide Wes!

Literacy does not equal Contucky Bilecats.

But I will give it to UCon. They are a better illegal team than Memphis at the same stage of development.

And with KU tripping up, the odds of them lucking out went up drastically, and even a knob like you has to admit it.

But again, our coach will be here next year. And we have a great team coming back.

And your coach probably won't be back and you won't have a pot to build a still with next year.

Rock Chalk!

lookerforoil 9 years, 10 months ago

Bucknell, Bradley, Rhode Island, ect, ect, These guys just never knew how to step on the throught! Lookerforoil

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

The one thing that will take a little(very little) of the sting out is a Craptucky loss, go WF!

Craig Colgin 9 years, 10 months ago

I said i was tired of watching this team play clear back in January, They just don't want it bad enough. That's why they lost today, you can talk stats and fouls and free throws or whatever, THIS TEAM DIDN"T WANT IT BAD ENOUGH. Plain and Simple, It's that, that is embarrasing, not that we lost, but that we plain got out scrapped!! Unacceptable. I said it back in January, that this team didn't look as good as last years team, and look which one made it furthur. I bleepin hate being right all the damn time!!!!

ramsrevenge 9 years, 10 months ago

Who cares what number you think UNI should be, we were the number 1 overall seed and should beat anybody! We all act like this was an okay loss and thanks for the memories...this sucked. We played terrible and it shouldn't be okay that we lost. We're K f'ng U we shouldn't lose games like this! This was terrible! Do I still love the hawks....yes, but that doesn't mean we all shouldn't be pi**ed off about this lose and this season! Who cares what we did during the regular season...it doesn't matter, all that matters is what you do during march madness, and we lost to freaking Northern Iowa!!

Kansas is the first number 1 seed to lose 3 times in the second round. What a great stat to be known for.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

I know this is going to sound like sour grapes but man we got screwed on the regions this year! If that was a 9 seed then Sooballs is really a Jayhawk fan(NOT!!!)

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Craptucky is cruising, looks like it's time to start chasing the Chivas with some Patron(man I'm going to feel like crap in the morning!)

rockchalk86 9 years, 10 months ago

KY_Cats1- Learn some respect. Most people should know we shouldn't have lost this game but stuff like this happens. This is a hard loss for all of us and you have to be the arrogant self you are and rub it in. You have done this to us all season and I just want to say worry about your own team and stay out of our business. You should be paying attention to Kentucky's game rather than ours. I'm not just a fan of KU, I'm a fan of sports. Sports is about sportsmanship. Something to think about... I wish you and Kentucky luck in the rest of the tournament.

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Could have been worse. Could have been first round. Next national title will probably come when it is not expected. Some of the best KU teams never cut down the nets. Just the nature of the tourney.

Jason Musick 9 years, 10 months ago

I want to thank the F_cking NCAA Selection Committee for Screwing KU, Coach Self, and KU Fans. This Bracket was hardest in NCAA Tournament History. If any Number 1 Seed should have had this bracket it should have been Duke. These Losers (DUKE) who was not even in the Top 10 all year get the easiest bracket. KU got screwed because everyone love Duke.

The F_cking NCAA Selection Screwed Kansas again and wanted to make sure we would not make it to the Final four. Who would of thought Michigan and Maryland would be playing in the Second round.

I can't wait for Texas AM to Destroy Duke. I will be laughing when K State and Texas AM Play for the National Championship.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Where was that press earlier? That's Self's call. KU had the superior athletes, but Self waited for too long to take advantage of it. We should've run them off the court. Put the ball on the floor and drive when you're not hitting 3s. Sooner or later NI would've been a step too slow and just committed fouls.

Kevin Heath 9 years, 10 months ago

I love KU and always will. Though it was not my favorite spot I lived in Omaha for the last 13 years and followed Creighton and the Valley closely. My gut was in knots when we drew Bradley a few years ago, and it was in knots cheering HARD for UNLV two nights ago. We do not match up well against the Valley. I have no idea why, but we just don't. Since we are in such close proximity to these teams, would it kill us to figure out some way to play them? Now I will totally grant everyone that we would have mopped the floor with every other Mo Valley team except UNI today. The problem is the style of ball is just enough different. If we match up with the Champion of the Valley with it ALL on the line I won't like our chances as more than 50/50 EVER. They always play tough, they always play hard, and the team that wins that league in any given year is capable of beating lots of teams. For some reason, that stye of ball makes the more likely to beat us. Just a thought.

TarzanKUfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I first want to apologize for my comments on this board they were uncalled for. I want to preface what I am about to say by saying I love the Jayhawks always will, still I have some thoughts. I never felt quite comfortable with this team, they consistently turned the ball over. I also feel that ( and I know I will get hammered for this) Sherron and Cole did regress this year and I am not sure who to blame for that. Sherron was our heart but he would always make some dumb plays and was a turn over machine for much of the year. I would always grasp for air when he was about to make a play because it would either be brilliant or one of the dumbest uncalled for plays a point guard could make. And on Cole he was amazing defensively but on offensive never quite got it going this year. The last comment is Marcus is my player of the year and Tyshawn is my dud of the year. He really as alot to work on.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

mikendal: you are such a hypocrite.

You posted an oversimplification on ALL fans posting negative comments (now's certainly the time for them) being "fair weather". Although I haven't read everyone's posts (watching Seinfeld to ease the pain), the comments from Ralster and KU98 that I've seen were trashing those trashing the team, Sherron Collins, Coach Self, and others. Now, after I called you out for lumping every negative poster as a "fair weather" fan, you cry about me challenging how much of a fan you are. That is hypocrisy.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

You know that is one thing that I love and hate about this tournament. You have to be on your game for 6 straight or your sent packing. We all know what would happen in a best of 7 but just like Zona,Syracuse, the killer B's ,UTEP ,Rhode island, etc... it only takes one hot shooting team and it's asta le vista baby, It SUCKS!!!

Aaron Rosenthal 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree 100% with the folks who are p***ed off. All the years I've been a Jayhawk, well before ever setting foot on campus, I've felt a wide range of emotions related to KU. This is the first time I remember being angry. These kids get unconditional love from our fan base and they can't get excited to play in the NCAA tournament?

You can't wait until the regionals to "turn it on." So many people saw the bad habits all year. Failing to play hard is probably the single worst habit any athlete can have. And this KU team had several guys with that issue. Talk all you want about seeding and other excuses. That's all they are. If KU showed up today as excited about the game as UNI they win by 8-15 points, no question. With all due respect to UNI. I get how good they are and the MVC is. But an emotionally dialed in KU team wins this game. When superior talent matches effort, talent wins. The failure to match effort until the last 10-11 minutes was the height of arrogance.

If you disrespect your opponent you deserve to lose. Doing it in the NCAAs is flat out shocking.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

oxcaljayhawk -- I wouldn't be too quick to blame Self on not pressing earlier. Remember, the press gave the Ali kid an extremely wide open 3 point shot with 30 seconds left. Self knows this and has been saying it all season: the press giveth and the press taketh away.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

We're all taking this loss hard as we should, but to question whether Bill Self should be our head coach is a little absurd. Can anyone name a better coach, a better representative for one of the greatest programs in the history of college basketball, and most importantly a better representative of what it means to be a man to impressionable players than Bill Self? I can't. This loss hurts bad, but KU basketball will rebound from this.

crestdr 9 years, 10 months ago

Jaybate, you always speak the truth. I wouldn't bother filtering the nonsense on this board if it weren't for your insightful comments. Keep up the good work.

Mike Skiles 9 years, 10 months ago

Sure I am dissappointed - but am I embarrased for the University and other alumni? - OF COURSE NOT!! The team played with a bullseye on their jerseys the entire season, and were the only team to hold on to # 1 ranking for more than ONE week. They have given us all great entertainment up to this game. Other than Sherron, the team is young and whlie the armchair experts out there could never admit that youth has anything to do with things, that is what makes college B-ball so great and unpredictable. The beauty (and the pain) of the NCAA Tourney is that on any given night, a team can shoot the lights out and play over their head, and kill another ranked team's season. SO, does that mean we all go cry in our beers and feel sorry for ourself, and whine about Bill not being a very good coach, and all that Bulls**t? I for one, won't do it - I would have been thrilled to see another deserved national championship banner at the Phog, but all we can ask is to have a competitve team (and we had more than that this year).....that doesn't guarantee you a championship. So 'man up' boys, and take a deep breath, and keep loving the jayhawks for the excitement, the joy of winning, and the pain of being human and not always being perfect. Love Ya Blue, go get 'em next year HCBS, and I hope our young 'ens decide to hang another year at the mount! Rock Chalk Jayhawk, Go KU!!!!!

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXNXlEERkXc#t=1m18s

This video sums up my office bracket tournament (not that I really care about that).

OSUjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Tyshawn Taylor is a flop AND Self put way too much pressure on Collins. Collins is a great Jayhawk and does deserve his numbers in the rafters, but he is a strong enough player to put the team on his back consistently. Self can recruit, but again he fails to adjust. We have Elijah Johnson sitting on the bench the entire game, yet we keep Collins and Taylor in despite them playing stupid, bad basketball the entire game.

Xavier, you aren't ready yet. I assure you I'm not just saying that because I want you back. You can't create your own shot well enough and you aren't consistent. Basically, you are unreliable.

Aldrich, YOU are ready if all you want to be is an NBA bench defensive specialist. You need to get more stamina as well as spend another year sharpening your post moves.

Self - there's no "I" in team. If Collins isn't playing well, then he needs to take a break. Also, you waited way too long to apply the full court pressure. You coached with arrogance by never adjusting to the game and just trying to push the same strategy all game with players that weren't efficient. I don't care how well you recruit when you lose to kids like Northern Iowa.

I'm so disappointed in my 'hawks right now...if I wasn't in Hawaii on my spring break, I would probably need to be restrained. :P

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

oreadhawk99 -- Thank you for posting that comment! I wouldn't trade Coach Self for anyone.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

We thought we could take down Wall and Cousins and now people are blaming the commitee b/c we couldn't beat Farokenmash and the guy with a perm and sideburns? I hate Duke and think they got an easy bracket overall, but they get the winner of the Pac-10 in the 2nd game and we can't handle a team from the Missouri Freakin' Valley? NI may be able to shoot, but they looked like they had the conditioning of an adult rec team. We should've unleashed at least 35 minutes of Hell on them.

Kent Wells 9 years, 10 months ago

Lance1: You got it! Enjoyed chatting with you, NH, mikendal, bigdaddy, memhawk, etc. this year. See you next year...

Arseneo 9 years, 10 months ago

The only thing more obnoxious than OU football fans is KU basketball fans. We were 1 of KU's 3 losses this year. We also lost in the first round this year. Big deal, it's a game get over it. Self's a good coach and a good friend.

ku_bringback_danny 9 years, 10 months ago

I told everybody when I saw the pair I knew we were screwed. First Kansas is cursed in the NCAAs when they play in OKC. They lost to Rhode Island in the 2nd rd when they were a #1 seed then they lose to Bucknell in the first rd back in 05'. Now Northen Iowa. Yes we have "NEVER" gotton out of OKC in the NCAAs. As for The #1 seed I think they really gave that to Duke. I had this feeling since Sunday. Now as for Northen Iowa there is no way in %^&* that they are a true #9 seed they won the valley they should have been a #3 or a #4 at least. Well all the folks at ESPN will now be happy cause they really wanted a Syrcause vs Kentucky match all a long. Dicky V you got your wish. As for X & Cole you need to stay another year you guys are not ready.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

I think everyone that is calling out people for being fair weather fans( with exception to sourballs) need to take a step back and realize that we are PISSED OFF and venting our frustration at a loss that really hurts right now. This team was a collection of unbelievable talent(maybe the best ever) but for some reason could never seem to put it all together. I for one still think that coach Self is the best coach in the business but for some unknown reason could never get the team to play up to their full potential this year. 33-3 is a great season but unfortunately we expect more then that. I put the full blame on this early exit to Obama!!! lol!

GreyHawker 9 years, 10 months ago

Out coached...out hustled....out played...out of the t-ment......oh please Jaybate, tell me one more time how SC is the best PG to ever play at KU.....Him and Bill were No-Shows today.....SooBalls, the boyz just can't stand the truth.......

ku_bringback_danny 9 years, 10 months ago

Ali Farokhmanesh were did this guy come from. He was dropping bombs all over the place. Reminded me of that nightmare from Syrcause of 03'

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Oread - I'd trade him for Turgeon right now. Curry hits that shot or Rose makes one more free throw and I bet you would be agreeing with me.

KUK08- I don't understand Self not using the press when he had the athletic advantage. It's like not openning up a Ferrari in a race against a Prius. Self has shown time and time again that he wants to win grind out games by not losing. People blame the team for not having a killer instinct, but that comes from a system that is not designed to blow the doors off of people.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

I know there are a lot of Bob Knight haters here, but what he has said on numerous occasions is true. We can complain about what region we were seeded in, and who has to play who in what round, but the bottom line is, you just have to go out and play regardless of who it is. I'd rather hang a banner in the Fieldhouse where we beat 6 of the best teams in the tournament than to have an "easy" road to a championship. Just my opinion.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Grayhawker-you can't handle the truth because your team(mizzu?) has never made it to the final 4! It's OK to be pissed off but to just throw insults at coach and the team shows that you are not a true KU alum!

KUtattKat 9 years, 10 months ago

I still love my Jayhawks!!, still am proud of them because this loss does not wipe out an entire season. Not the loss I wanted nor expected, and I hate that they didn't come out with fire in their eyes and burry UNI...but I'm a Jayhawk and will never hate on them nor talk ish on Self or the guys!...especially not Sherron, I have much luv for you and am proud of you no matter what! Rock Chalk! Hold your heads high if you're actually a TRUE KU fan...on to next season!

justinryman 9 years, 10 months ago

I watched, and just re-watched the game and I was right the first time, UNI's first foul came with 10:15 to go in the first half, ok so they had 3 called in 20 seconds, but wow!!! There were a lot of calls that went their way. It didn't help that we didn't hit our FT's down the stretch, but nobody plays that clean a game. Oh well nobody plays a perfect game so know one should think the refs should call a perfect game.

Sherron thank you for the memories, you will go down as one of the all time greats at KU.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk KU

jhawkshocker 9 years, 10 months ago

Sad day to be a Jayhawk fan, but still proud to be a Jayhawk fan. I live in Springfield, MO., so it will be a rough day at work Mon with all the tiger fans. I'm from Wichita originally, so I've always followed the MVC, and I knew Northern Iowa was going to be a tough out......with that said, could anyone tell me if I heard the CBS announcers correctly? I'm certain they said more than once that this was the 1st MVC team to make it to the Sweet 16 since Larry B. and Indiana St.---That's not true, Wichita St was in the 16 in, I think, 2006, and I'm sure KU beat Southern Illinois in the 16 in 2007. Northern Iowa is a damn good team, and part of a good conference, with that said, KU should have beat this team. As ALWAYS........Rock Chalk.

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 10 months ago

This game reminded me of the movie "Hoosiers" with UNI being the small town team. They aren't flashy, they aren't especially fast or athletic but they love basketball, they play hard and they play a solid game. Sometimes that is all it takes. Note to Coach Self: recruit somebody who can consistently make three-pointers, please.

iluvdbskxjayhawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, since KU lost, I'm rooting for any Big 12 teams to win. I'm going to support K-State now. Go Wildcats! Hey, they are from Kansas too. ^_^

It looks like Kentucky is going to win it all now since they have been blowing out their opponents left and right.

I was on the verge of tears when I see our boys trailing the Cinderella team. Oh well. Maybe next time?

FLJHK 9 years, 10 months ago

I hate life.

I hate the NCAA tournament.

But I will always love Jayhawk baseketall. They are always a part of the equation.

The agony I currently feel is nothing compared to that in the Jayhawk locker room.

My thanks to Sherron, Cole, Coach Self and all the others. You are all first class.

RCJH.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

oxcal, I respectfully disagree. I agree that Turgeon is a good coach, and I believe him to be a good representative for A&M, but he's no Bill Self. Did Coach Self make some coaching mistakes, I believe he did. But the bottom line is, you can prepare for a game until you're blue in the face, you can call the perfect plays, and you can press earlier, etc, but the bottom line is players have to execute. We just didn't, plain and simple.

Robert Lofthouse 9 years, 10 months ago

I normally find this board an interesting read, but there are a lot of fair-weather fans on here that expect the team to get tough when games are going bad for them, but don't hold themselves to that same high standard of performance.

Well, that goes for the fans too!

This was an exciting basketball team to watch throughout the year and although they lost 3 games they should have won, a .917 winning percentage still shows a better track record than more than an estimated 3,200 other head coaches and college teams. I'm sure someone will come up with an exact number to correct me.

But for you fair weather fans, don't go bailing out on your team and don't bail on your head coach -- they were Kansas gods just 8 hours ago! It's not the end of the freaking world, and in fact, next year's squad may just be talent-wise and athletically better than the 09-10 edition. They certainly now have a chip on their shoulders.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk - go KU!!! Looking forward to the off-season news!

hawkshock 9 years, 10 months ago

Two things:

I once had a boss who told me to never reply to an e-mail until I had calmed down (i.e. you sometimes have to wait 24 hours). Too bad that nobody will be reading this by the time truly rational comments will become the norm (although many of you haven't done too badly). Right now, Jayhawk Nation is pi$$ed off. That's what talent and high standards will get us.

This team seemed to lack maturity a lot this year. Sherron was the only senior and Cole functioned as a senior but an overall maturity keeps you out of fights with the football team, close games with Cornell and Lehigh and maybe gets you to the Sweet 16. We have a lot of talent but it's young talent. Oh, what we can do when the talent matures (if it stays long enough to do that). Sherron and Cole couldn't be all of the maturity this year. They did what they could and I thank them and will never forget Cole's taking out Hanbrough in 2008 and Sherron's assist to Chalmers to force the OT. That's a hell of a legacy for each of them.

Rock Chalk, Jayhawk. I think I'm done now.

Buck08 9 years, 10 months ago

Bradley, Bucknell, and now UNI .. no better team to watch in college basketball than the Kansas Jayhawks. Who cares about a regular season and big twelve championship when you choke every single year in the tournament. I don't care how frikn hard the midwest region was for gods sake it was UNI! Come on I would rather be a baylor or K-State fan at least they don't choke. I don't know about anyone else but I don't know how anyone can say Sherron Collins is the best point guard to ever play at Kansas because Mr. Big Shot was a complete no show and has been so for the last god knows how many games. Watching Kansas in the NCAA tournament is starting to get extremely old and pointless! And if Cole decides to go to the NBA, have fun trying to score on a professional athlete when you can't score or handle Eglseder who is a poor excuse for a seven foot center. Needless to say i'm done with Kansas for awhile, watching them only takes years off of my life come March!

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

For 68 of the last 71 years since the NCAA Tournament's inception, KU fans have gone through what we're all going through tonight. The immediacy of the end of our season. It's what makes a Championship so amazing. But c'mon! We sing their praises when we win, but when we lose, some people want to say the He** with them. It's one thing to respectfully question someone's play, but to trash our players and head coach like some posts I've read is disgraceful. No one feels worse than Bill Self and our guys in that locker room.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Buck08- you go ahead and root for K-State and Baylor next year and the next but don't try and jump back on our wagon cause I'll be there to kick your fairweather ass right off!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Jatbate- waiting for your end of the year state of the union speech lol

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

newton- haven't seen you trolling on here before, Enjoy your 15 seconds of fame puddycat! Still can't beat the Hawks!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

newton- haven't seen you trolling on here before, Enjoy your 15 seconds of fame puddycat! Still can't beat the Hawks!

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

JKealing, thank you for removing newton's comments.

FairgroveJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm disappointed but greatful for the season. I feel for the players and coaches who put their hearts into the program this season and fell short of their goals. I'm just a fan able to recognize my feelings of disappointment are in no way comparable to those who experienced the season first hand from the court.

Thank you Jayhawks!!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Ralster- agree that we should be loaded for bear next year and hopefully with more maturity then this year. Cole and SC thanks for all that you have given the true Jayhawk faithful and good luck to you both at the next level(X you need to stay one more year your not ready yet!)

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

2010-2011: Aldrich, Collins, Xavier, CJ, Conner all gone. [Someone please tell Tyshawn to go out for football] Little, Releford, Woolridge, Selby/McKnight onboard Johnson, Robinson, Withey get their shot Marcus, Markieff, Reed, Morningstar return. The roster has more than enough to be decent to good.

Maybe more people are asked to carry the weight vs this year. Maybe we learned a lesson from the three teams that beat us...forty minutes of focus. Maybe someone can become a consistent three point shooter Maybe we will press more and develope a killer instinct now that Mario Little will be the obvious team leader. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment.....numerous Kansas playoff failures, but 64 out of 65 teams lose and, in the end, does it really matter when if you don't win it all?.

Next season will bring distance from this painful memory and hope for a new season. We still are blessed, because we are still Jayhawks!!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Oakville-agree but I think we have our consistant trifecta assasain with Reed?

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope everyone within reasonable driving distance will make his way to Lawrence to support the team when it gets home. I'd hate for this to be a repeat of 2005. As disappointed as I am, this team deserves support from the fans for a great pre-tourney year.

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, the real kiss of death was Obama picking us to win it all. Just hope his health care bill has the same fate!! Next year we obviously need more white guys who can't jump but can shoot lights out, seems to work for Duke and NIU.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Ku08- agree, we need to thank this team for a great year as disappointed as we all are right now.

PosseComitatus 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't normally post on the sports side, but I usually enjoy reading the comments on here especially while watching the game. I have noticed a trend developing for the last couple of weeks that is disturbing. The gall it takes for a so called fan to try and call out a coach of this caliber is amazing. Coach Self is by far the best coach we have had for the last 40 years. I remember the Ted Owens years when the field house constantly had empty seats and a trip to the tournament was special. I remember Larry Brown and his off the court issues. I remember Roy Williams finesse teams that couldn't win the tough games.

What we saw today is a UNI team that played the way that Coach Self wanted this team to play all year. What we were missing all year long was lateral defensive quickness on the perimeter. Cole, with his ability to alter drives, ended up being a crutch for the guards and they never fully developed their perimeter defense.

This system works more consistently over the long run that Roy's' system does, especially in a one and done environment. That's why we lost, UNI ran it better than we did.

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

greyhawker--U put it plain and simple, but how do u get it through the thick=headed ones?

EXCUSES all over, you said it to a point that only open-minded fans can understand. Excuses are like butt holes, some are bigger than others. .

We play SOFT and no HEART or HUSTLE--A mid-major, who played with heart--Their ACTIONS on the court showed they want to playand WIN!!!!

All one has to do is look at my +/ - of the players and u see who showed up. Cole's defense was poor against a mid-major, he got ate up. Their center scored when he wanted. Where was the blocks tonight??

NBA ready, not one, surely no one thinks that now? If so, u must have been driking Collins and Taylor drink...

For those fans that r so proud of a 33-3 record, what did it get us? A big 12 title and tourney champioship-great, but to loose to a mid-major-no excuse!! quit making them or saying it the bracket we got in. R u serious? It was a mid-major, open those thick skulls and get pissed how we PLAYED!!

sad day to be a hawk...

cantstopthehawks 9 years, 10 months ago

Not that anyone cares or is surprised but we are getting killed on ESPN message board. Pretty much our 08 championship was a fluke per ESPN message board. Overrated b/c of our easy schedule which allows us to get high seeds and recruits. Bill Self is a fraud. The usual subjects are out to make fun of us: UK, 'Cuse, MU. Unfortunately, we left ourselves open to this BS.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

James122- sad day to be Hawk? Never will be a sad day to be a Hawk! Am I pissed off, heartbroken and sick to my stomach? YES but I will always wear the crimson and blue proudly and will always support them win or lose! RCJH!!!!!

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

Hawkfromhays--Very well said!! I agree 100%.

Thanks for the post.

Everyone should take the time to read what he posted.

Professczar 9 years, 10 months ago

PosseComitatus:

"What we saw today is a UNI team that played the way that Coach Self wanted this team to play all year.'

This.

End of thread.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

James122, Is the only measure of a successful season winning a championship? If that's the only measure of a successful season, than by that definition, we've had 68 unsuccessful seasons since the Tournament's inception. How is a fan getting pi**ed off going to do any good? I don't say this with any disrespect to you. I agree with all your points about the game tonight but I'm just trying to understand how KU fan's anger is going to help our basketball program.

David Black 9 years, 10 months ago

Great year Hawks. Next year will be awesome. I can hardly wait. Rock Chalk

hellarockchalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Disappointed but always a proud Jayhawk.

I'd like to know what everyone thinks about getting these next big name recruits. I'm honestly a bit concerned this loss has made their decisions a little easier especially when they see how sluggish our offense can be and then they see a Kentucky team that is allowed to race and flex their swagger to demolish a Wake Forest team by 30 tonight.

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

jhawkdan42--It is sad, very very sad. And u should be pissed and heartbroken and sick to to your stomach, WE GOT BEAT BY A MID MAJOR!! What part that makes you proud to be a hawk??

No Excuses!! Read hawkfromhays--He got it right. If one can ACCEPT what is right.

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

oreadhawk99--Where did I say the measure of sucess is a NCAA Championship? It sure would NOT be losing to a MID-MAJOR!!

Again, READ what HAWKFROMHAYS!! He has it right, IF you can accept that.

daredo21 9 years, 10 months ago

Two names: Taylor and Morningstar=Disappointment. They both need to look deep inside themselves before next year.

lsjayhawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

Bill Self is a nice guy and great recruiter, but a horribe game coach. His weave offense with the guards 40 feet from the bucket doesn't work. He had his 7 footer 30 feet from the bucket playing help defense all year. His help defense doesn't work. He rarely makes game time adjustments. He has one Final Four in his 6 years here. He had McDonalds All Americans on his team and lost to inferior talent at Tennessee, Ok St and UNI and had many other close calls with teams with far less talent -- CU, Cornell, etc. That all boils down to coaching folks. Cole is lazy and weak and will be an NBA bench warmer for a few years and then he won't be in the league. Xavier a spotty shooter at best - not NBA ready. Tyshawn has no heart. Hats off to Marcus and Markieff for their major improvement this year.

Rick Arnoldy 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, I'll hold my final four tickets until A&M, Baylor, and K-State lose. After that, I need to recoup some dough.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

James122- if you have to ask me what part of me makes me proud to be a Hawk then you aren't a true fan, that is what is sad!

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

What is there to accept James122? Most of what hawkfromhays said is true. I'm in no way in denial about our play tonight, but it's done. It's over with. We got beat by a team that played better than us. It shouldn't have happened, but it did. I can hang my head, or I can move on. I'm moving on.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Posse- Self better than Larry Brown? Are you serious? Larry lost in the tourney to a better Wake Forrest, an Auburn with Chuck Person, to Duke in the FF, and to a G-Town team w/Reggie Williams in the S16 after KU lost Kellog, Thompson, Dreiling, Hunter.Then Brown won the Nat'l C. with Jeff Gueldner and Chris Piper starting and Scooter Barry and football walk-on Normore coming off the bench - That's coaching.

Losing to NI, Bradley, Bucknell is Norm Stewart-esque choking.

Philip Garver 9 years, 10 months ago

NH, mikendal, memhawk,Shaw and Wells enjoyed it. Jesse thanks for your work. See you next year.

tstanlick1909 9 years, 10 months ago

They needed a miracle to beat us, and they got it.

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

We had a great season but a disappointing ending, however, I wouldn't trade Coach Self, his staff, and our players for anyone. We all know that it takes a certain amount of luck to win it all, i.e. our 1988 team. I liked the earlier post comparing today's game to Hoosiers, good comparison, kind of like what Goliath must have felt like after David was through with him. We will be back, stronger than ever. To KY CATS, obviously there is a severe shortage of class in Kentucky if you're the poster child for your state.

daredo21 9 years, 10 months ago

Everytime they got something going Taylor would take a bad shot and momentum would go the other way and Morningstar a defensive specialist sure shut down there guards when he was in there. 5 games this year should have been warnings for us: Cornell, at Colorado, at Oklahoma State, Lehigh. Eventually, the lack of free throw shooting and offensive rebounds catches up with you.

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

jjhawkdan42--What part of tonights game make u proud? I was a hawk fan way before u were even born. Losing to a mid-major can't make u proud, it makes me sick.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Hella-you're exactly right. As much as a slime ball coach Cal is, he is going to get recruits in part b/c of their style of play, aside from the $$. UK would've done what KU should've done to NI - run them right off the court. Make that chubby Ali run up and down the court a dozen more times and let's see if he has the legs for that last 3 pointer.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

James122, if we would have made it to the Elite 8 and lost to Ohio St., would that have made you feel that this season was a success? Anything short of a championship for KU fans is a disappointment because we've been spoiled by our success. But there is no other team I'd rather be a fan of year after year.

mjprcjh0314 9 years, 10 months ago

Nothing that anyone posts on here can ever convince me ever that this team did not have heart, toughness and a desire to win. I think some people see a team getting out performed as them not caring or them being soft, but nothing could really be farther from the truth. I have a lot of faith that Kansas will win another NC soon under Bill Self. As everyone else, I am really really disappointed with this loss, but I love this team, and this coaching staff and I loved this year, it was so much fun for me watching them win throughout the season more consistently than any other team in the country, in the toughest conference. Rock Chalk baby always!!!

SCHNBALL 9 years, 10 months ago

Sherron Collins: 29% of total possesions tonight.

My number was 30% missed by 1%

SCHNBALL 9 years, 10 months ago

hays hawk, could not said it better about our offense.

optichawk 9 years, 10 months ago

KU08: I said passed UNC (as part of thigs that went well this year) which is true but you are right in your later post about getting to Lawrence and welcoming the team.

James 122: You've got to be bleepin kidding me. At your request, I went back and looked at that drivel...pathetic but that's your opinion, not the majority, thank God!

lsjayhawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

oxcaljayhawk you are exactly right, but the KU teams for the last 6 years have never been great at running the ball...not like Roy's teams could. I am not sure this coach knows what a secondary break is.

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

oreadhawk99--The success of a season would be playing at our best and taking it as far as the talent we have. NOITHING LESS THAN THAT!

And I am sure our talent is better than a mid-major-well, maybe not we did get beat by one.

Again, read what HAWFROMHAYS said at 9:01---It is plain and simple on how and why we lost--That is the part most can't accept, they want to make EXCUSES!

braverthanu 9 years, 10 months ago

This is the most embarassing loss in Ku history. Good luck Self with recruiting against Calipari who gets freshmen to play like seniors not seniors that choke. How can a coach assemble that much talent and blow it. You are only judged by what you do in March....said by coach self. Well coach besides from one lucky year you have a bad habit of getting beat in the second round.Not agood habit for recuiting winners that play tough when it matters.....what a bunch of losers!!!!

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

Well put mjprcjh0314. You stand behind this program when they have the highest of highs and the lowest of lows. And this was certainly a low point tonight, but I agree we will be back on top sooner than later.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

BigDaddy, KU wells, KU shaw, ralster, OakvilleJHawk--thanks for being receptive to my posts. I enjoyed reading all of yours for sure. Jaybate--when times allow, I will continue to read yours---ha, ha! Keep 'em coming! rcjh!

SCHNBALL 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope Self learns a couple of things from this year.

Always bring all of your (men) to the fight! Releford and Little. Don't worry about next year, it may be here soon enough. I had the same thoughts when they were redshirted.

2008 is over, don't compare this year's team to them a week before the tournament. Did you tell your bride a week before your wedding about your last hot girlfriend?

If you are expecting Morningstar to show up in a huge game, think again, sorry JayBate.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

BigDaddy, KU wells, KU shaw, ralster, OakvilleJHawk--thanks for being receptive to my posts. I enjoyed reading all of yours for sure. Jaybate--when times allow, I will continue to read yours---ha, ha! Keep 'em coming! rcjh!

SCHNBALL 9 years, 10 months ago

My wish list for 2011:

We need what this team has been lacking all year:

A true leader and a true point guard:

BRANDON KNIGHT, PLEASE APPLY

Go Hawks! Still the classiest program in the country!!

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

James122, who is "they?" I'm certainly not making excuses for our poor play tonight. You said,

"The success of a season would be playing at our best and taking it as far as the talent we have. noithing less than that!"

As far as I'm concerned we had the talent to win a national championship this year. So following your logic, anything less than a championship is a failure. You've been a KU fan for a long time so how did you feel during the Harp era or the Owens era?

GreyHawker 9 years, 10 months ago

James 122 you seem to be carrying the torch tonight...it's funny how some's only reaction to another's post is to attack them as not "TRUE" fans..........Hawk from Hays, James 122, Isjahawk10, your opinions are as good as the rest of these "fans". The pain of another unfulfilled season will fade away but poor game coaching and bad offensive scheme will be waiting for us again next year.........maybe the talent will overcome.........did in 2008!!!!!!

hellarockchalk 9 years, 10 months ago

Ok look, we all are p*ssed and hurt and angry and in disbelief, but we all need to look at a bigger picture here. As we will soon look to next season(which is only a few months away) there always seems to be something missing when playing opponents....that is swagger, not cockiness, but swagger. The big picture is, can there be a way to get the next team to show a sense of confident swagger? Maybe Coach Self won't allow that type of attitude, but the way I see it, it's "attitude" that is lacking. I'm not saying be a jerk on the court, but let your opponent know that they will most likely lose and just respect that fact. That is attitude. Still sportmanship, but with attitude. We need to instill fear in teams again, not allow them to feel like they have a chance. UNI felt they could win all night instead of hope they would win......big difference.

Helen Gross 9 years, 10 months ago

I have tickets for St Louis. Might as well go, is anyone else? We could all get together and cry over a beer or something! RCJH F-O-R-E-V-E-R!!!!!!!!!!!!

GreyHawker 9 years, 10 months ago

Feels like were back in the Owens era.........I suffered through that.......

lsjayhawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately we will have to suffer through another year of hearing what a great defender Morningstar is. We will watch him defend well against weak talent in November and then he will always be two steps behind his guy against quality teams from January through March. But Self will continue to try and justify why he is on the court instead of Little, Johnson and Releford. Seems odd that we are playing him and redshirting much better talent.

PosseComitatus 9 years, 10 months ago

oxcaljayhawk I am looking at the whole package here. Larry is a great coach, but there were skeletons in the closet when he bolted on us.

Coach Self is good fit for this program.

Look at North Carolina this year. Which would you rather be a fan of right now?

You really want coach Self coaching Oklahoma State?

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

oreadhawk99--How did I feel during the Harp and Owens era? Proud, we played with heart for the whole game. Did we get beat by a mid-major during that time.? You have to match apples vs apples. Look at the TALENT this team had to the talent we had back them. At least they played for 40 minutes and with heart. Most, 95% or higher had KU winning to all.

Fiddle, even the President had us winning and he loves Kentucky and the Big East.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

James122- if you were a fan before I was ever born that explains your rant, senility is a bitch isn't it! True fans are always proud of their team win or lose. I never said I was proud of their play tonight, quite the opposite but I am proud of this team and will always be proud to be a Jayhawk now go and drink some metamucil and mumble yourself to sleep!

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

jhawkdan42--no need to get personal. Accept the facts, we sucked, PERIOD! That is what u can do also.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

James122- if you were a fan before I was ever born that explains your rant, senility is a bitch isn't it! True fans are always proud of their team win or lose. I never said I was proud of their play tonight, quite the opposite but I am proud of this team and will always be proud to be a Jayhawk now go and drink some metamucil and mumble yourself to sleep!

GreyHawker 9 years, 10 months ago

Senility is a bitch but stupidity is more pathetic and being displayed nicely by good ole jhawkdan..geez man relax.....your opinion ain't the only one that matters.....

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

James 122, mid major's in college basketball during those eras didn't have the talent that today's mid major's have. I agree with you about heart. This team didn't show the fire that past KU teams have shown, that "killer instinct" that everyone is talking about this year. They didn't show up tonight, plain and simple. I agree with you all the way, but am I mad? I was for the first hour after the loss, but not anymore. It is what it is. My point is that being angry about this loss serves no purpose.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Anyone who thinks they'll be seeing a lot of Releford next year is delussional. The first time he breaks down the d with cross-over, ankle-breaking move in the lane, but the shot doesn't go down - the next sound you will hear will be the horn and Brady back into the game. Then TR will miss shots it's hard to shoot with one eye on the scorer's table looking for your sub.

But that's Self's M.O. - Try to win by not losing; Don't press a slower and fatter team b/c they may make a lay-up or two; walk the ball up against a team that wants to slow the pace.

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree that we sucked tonight but your irrational rant also sucked therefor in the words of LAJayhawk you can SUCK IT!!

sawitcomingKU 9 years, 10 months ago

Saddened, but not surprised. Wished for better, but anticipated a second or third round loss from this team that lacked heart and hustle from start to finish during this game and many others during the season. They were once again lazy and arrogantly thought they could pull another win out of the hat by showing up to play for a few minutes instead of a whole game. Got their butt's whipped by a team with inferior talent, but more heart, toughness and motivation. KU played fundamentally poor basketball again to fall in likely the biggest upset in NCAA playoff history...a legacy of which to be proud. Clearly a lack of senior leadership. Collins was on spring break. He was rightly loved by many fans because he stayed for 4 years, but was overrated because of it. The kid from Chicago got schooled by the Iranian. Got sick of hearing how great he was all season for making a few clutch shots when it didn't really matter and wouldn't have been needed if he played better during those games. Most of the season he played sloppily or was AWOL for long stretches. He actually was the turnover king, consistently drove into a crowd and wildly threw up poor shots through the season occasionaly making some. Bobby Knight was the only one who called it like it was regarding Collins....he was rightly not impressed. The younger members of the team unfortunately followed his lead and disappeared for long stretches through out the season and this game. If it was Collins' team as many including he said, it showed. Or perhaps it was the Obama curse. We shall see. First the demise of Villanova, then KU, then healthcare, then the nation. Heaven help us. Who else was in Obama's final 4 picks? Hopefully not KSU. Will root for them...atleast they play with heart. Clemente and Pullen were both better than Collins when it really mattered.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

PickleFuzz---I am sure there are some Northern Iowa fans that would love to buy your tickets at St. Louie!!!!

DCLawHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Well, I'm glad I traveled from DC to KC to take in the Big 12 Tournament. I'm going to remember that last game against the Purps, try to forget this one, and never plan to see the Jayhawks play in OKC.

Meanwhile, I'm with hawkshock: Sherron's role at the end in '08 (the assist to Mario AND the three he drained just before that) and Cole's absolute smackdown of "PotY" Psycho-T have cemented both of their legacies in my mind. I suspect we'll see X back for one more season. Thanks for the memories guys!

Those of you who are blaming Coach Self for this debacle are way off base. KU was down 12 with 12 minutes to go. (I call it the point of no return whenever a team puts its opponent down more points than there are minutes left in the game, so long as there are more than six minutes left, because a team in that position loses 94% of the time [hat tip puncity.com]). Yet this is the first time this year I've seen a team shift to a press defense so early in the second half. HCBS realized how dire the situation was, and it was the right move. Coach Self's decision put the team in a position to fight back and almost win. So how can you blame him?

HCBS can't shoot the 4 missed FTs down the stretch (Marcus and Xavier). There's not much he can do about the charges (Sherron and Tyrel). There's not much he can do about the blown no calls on Koch for a charge in one case and an over-the-back violation in another. Once we were down 1 point, the only thing we could not afford to do was allow them to shoot a 3--especially an uncontested three. We could have given up a 2 and still had a last shot at forcing overtime with a 3. Even a foul on the inbounds would have been better than giving up that 3. So we could have stopped pressing at that point (or could have had Brady in there for defense), but the press had been working so well I doubt very many of you were thinking we should have abandoned it. I know I wasn't. And every one of those guys I just mentioned made outstanding plays down the stretch that made the comeback so exciting and ... almost ... complete. Almost.

DrJerky 9 years, 10 months ago

33-3: Great record, but the record doesn't mean we had a great season. Our early exit in the greatest spectacle in all of sports downgrades this season's success significantly. Winning Big XII league AND tourney: awesome Sherron Collins: incredible heart, incredible competitor, one of the the best guards we've seen at KU no matter how ineffective he was tonight. Wish he would have made a couple more shots, but the steal, the 3, and the dish against Memphis were amazing.
Cole Aldrich: Soft on offense tonight, should not miss 4 footers (sick of the term "bunny") Morris twins: great improvement this year, both with skill level and on-court composure. X: Soooooooo not ready for the NBA

I'm a Jayhawk fan through and through, but that doesn't mean I can't be upset with my team when they really choke one off in the SECOND ROUND OF THE NCAA TOURNAMENT WHEN THEY ARE THE OVERALL NUMBER ONE SEED!!!!

I truly believe that our best is better than anyone else's best. I realize that a team rarely plays it's best every night; what happened tonight NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!. Losing to Northern Iowa (no matter how good they are) in the SECOND ROUND is completely unacceptable.

I'm proud to be a Jayhawk, and I'd rather lose crimson and blue than win any other color, but tonight was just horrible. We'll never see how we stand up against Syracuse, Kentucky, Duke, or West Virginia (or any other team for that matter) and that just infuriates me. Not being ready to play tonight is absolutely sickening. This team was so incredibly stacked, words of disappointment escape me.

I hate the fact that so many people assign a team's success or failure based on their perfomance in the Tournament, but post-season play is a part of the entire season. I value the league title. I value the big xii tournament wins. I value sweeping our rivals! Losing in the tournament like this MAKES ME SICK.

I know the guys in the locker room are hurting a hell of a lot more than I am, and my heart goes out to them (I hope there's a crowd waiting for them at Allen, Sherron deserves it); but I want answers. Why the hell did we play so horrible in the first half? Why the hell couldn't we cover the shooters tonight (I realize we guarded them fairly well most of the time)? Why did we start so horribly slow in sooooo many games this season?

Thanks for allowing me to get this rant off my chest...it helps assuage my pain....but only in the smallest of measures.

BigTerd 9 years, 10 months ago

frwent (anonymous) says… O.K. folks, 5 of their kids in oversize underwear tossed a brown ball in a hoop a few more times that our kids dressed in oversize underwear.

Is this cause for the caustic and vicious remarks I am reading?

Will the sun come up in the west tomorrow?

Holy crap, what planet do you live on where the sun rises in the west, or is that simply the way they teach it in Kansas school system?

lsjayhawk10 9 years, 10 months ago

Why would Brandon Knight come to KU? To be like Elijah Johnson and watch guys like Morningstar and Reed get the mintues? It might be tough recruiting when kids see guys like Elijah playing behind Reed and Morningstar. Kinda reminds me of when TJ Pugh got alot of minutes and we were told what a great defender he was....RIIIIGHHT.

BayJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

HawkfromHays

Disagree on 1,2,3 &4. However, the going after the loose ball thing... Ya might have a point there!

Hang around, X!

quantrillw 9 years, 10 months ago

Rock hawk chicken hawk - ku chokes again! What a pathetic team! Oh by the way , I accidentally urinated on allen field house, oops.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

Isay-you're dead on about Brady. He keeps up with people in Nov. then has people go right past him in Feb/Mar. Many of the guys (and probably a many of the girls) shooting hoops in Robinson have got his offensive skills. If he can't shut down a slow white jump shooter like Ali M. or Keiton Page, then he can hardly be called a 'defensive specialist.'

DrJerky 9 years, 10 months ago

Big Terd, Your asking questions as if you don't realize you're on a KU basketball message board. If you think this about 10 guys in their underwear, I think you're on the wrong website.

BayJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

quantrillw (anonymous) says… Rock hawk chicken hawk - ku chokes again! What a pathetic team! Oh by the way , I accidentally urinated on allen field house, oops

Hope your sister doesn't get what you have!

Dan Harris 9 years, 10 months ago

Alright 122-truce I think we are all just in a state of shock and denial that we actually lost tonight but the sun will come out tomorrow and we will start looking forward to next year, no other choice right?

DrJerky 9 years, 10 months ago

quantrillw,

Hey, slaver, make it to a Final Four lately? Go make out with your sister.

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

DCLawHawk -- Excellent post!

James122 -- I don't mind respectful criticism, but you are a jerk. By the way, please stop acting like your +/- stats are the creation of your genius. Martin Manley uses the same thing on KC Star and calls it "efficiency", which is probably the correct term since he invented the stat. Besides, I don't even think you're adding or subtracting correctly for some of them.

"I told you so's" -- Fine, you were right! Are you happy now? (I'll bet some of you are.) Spare me from rubbing my face it in, though. Out of ~70 years of NCAA tourney play, KU's won a total of three times, so it takes a lot more guts to stay positive and predict the best than to play the safe, negative-nancy card the entire season.

BayJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

drgnslayr

You said it! Fun ride!

Will be again soon...

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

Right jhawkdan42, there is no other choice. It is what it is and college basketball wouldn't be as exciting if it were anything less. We're all disappointed but we move on and focus on next year. It's great to be a Jayhawk fan. Like someone said earlier, I'd rather be a Kansas fan and lose in the tournament year after year than be a Northern Iowa fan just happy to make it.

Mike Kendall 9 years, 10 months ago

Slayr--- It's been fun reading your posts, too, this season! Keep 'em coming!

Skoomlaash 9 years, 10 months ago

This loss was hard to watch and take. The guys did not play with that fight like the team of 2008. Everyone needs another year, wish Collins the best in his future and thanks to what you have given to this University and to the Mr. Self keep working the guys and gain that swagger back. I am still hurt and this will take time. Keep your class KU fans and to the Snow just go away already dang.

edigir 9 years, 10 months ago

To the team and the coaches... Thanks for the great year and fantastic games. Thanks for the excitement. Thanks for never quitting. Hold your heads high! Rock Chalk Jayhawk forever!

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

Question to ponder for the next 7 months.....down by one with about fifty seconds to play, how do you let the hottest shooter of the game alone to do the only thing that can stop you..shooting a trey and making it a two possession game??

How does that happen? How? How?........

Just a guess, but NIU loses by 20 in St.Louis because they can't hit a three pointer!!!

James122 9 years, 10 months ago

KU08--I have used the + - for a very long time. I never have said I made the + = system.

Jerk,uhmm, brave men on the net.. I list stats from the game- Each player get a + from the points they made, ft's, steals, rebounds and bloocks. A - for every missed fg, missed ft and to's from the game.

Truth hurts, and the truth in said very well in hawkfromhays..Read it, and accept it, u u can.

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

ESPN announced tonight that KU has set a new record: The most times a No. 1 seed has been knocked out in the second round of the NCAA tournament.

phlhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Ditto all the positive sentiments regarding the team and coaching staff this year. And may everyone so seemingly incapable of getting past it find something in life that fulfills them, since their lives must be terribly sad if the loss of a basketball game is so devastating.

I love the Jayhawks - have since I was too young to pronounce much beyond "Rock Chalk..." - and I'm proud of their season and effort, period. I wish I still lived in Kansas, and could meet the bus; hopefully some fans will make the effort. KU's tradition and fanbase is the best in the country, and that bus of players and coaches deserves to be reminded as such. Rock Chalk.

Denny2009 9 years, 10 months ago

Unbelieveable..you gotta respect your opponent bottom line. And those nay-sayers crying about the draw we got, c'mon this is the NCAA tourney, seeds as high as 13 are threats to go deep, thats why they play the games. You gotta show up and play 40 minutes. I don't understand why people who are pissed about the loss are being called fair weather fans. Thats BS, if your not fired up about this loss you're obviously a supporter of the "everyone gets a participation trophy". Yes, KU had a great regular season and won yet another big 12 title(what a difference a week makes). But all of those accomplishments are meaningless if your going to get bounced in the 2nd round by a team that could easy have been beat by just executing the basic funamentals of basketball.

johnnyphoton 9 years, 10 months ago

Anyone reading these posts can't, in good conscience, say they expected KU to roll to victory today. KU's "MO" all season has been slow starts, one or two spurts, close games, and a clutch play or two from Sherron. It didn't take rocket science to understand that if KU got down early and couldn't hit the outside shot that they were in big trouble--and both of those things happened today. I too don't understand how a D1 team can go 10 minutes without committing a foul . . . the only logical explanation being the Panther were the AGGRESSORS. I tip my hat to Northern Iowa for taking the game to KU--we missed the determination, guts, and free spirit of the '08 team. Better luck next, HCBS and Jayhawks, I WILL be watching every game, cheering my guts.

GreyHawker 9 years, 10 months ago

James 122......keep swinging.......and don't drink the koolaid.......Bill Self has began the "March of the Mangino".........Turg, please save us............

KU08 9 years, 10 months ago

James122 -- You first posted on March 2nd, 2010, which doesn't sound like a long time to me, but what do I know. You could have been using it before for your own benefit. Maybe you started the stat before Martin Manley, but at least he can add. Seriously, check your work. I swear there are several mistakes every game, including this one. Learn how to use a calculator, because adding/subtracting in your head has failed you.

Steve Brown 9 years, 10 months ago

LJW: slyr: I also had the 2,000 game right.

To all the posters, regulars and new folks, truly enujoyed this year and the messages....a tough summer as I don't follow baseball.... Ralster like your new avatar also the old one, KU, 100, BC, Oak, Mike, even Sooballs enjoyed hearing your views and to the master Jaybate, I even read some of your stuff. some of it was entertaining, some was a bit lengthy.

RCJHKU, mighty proud to be a JayHawk.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

"Some Ways You Know KU Lost to a 9 Seed in the Second Round"

Migraine medicine does not relieve headache.

Attempts to wake up don't change the final score.

Turn down offer of sexual healing from loss from Jessica Alba.

Cowardly board rats that have been wrong about this team 33 times this season, and who did not forecast the loss, shout, "See, I told you so."

Discovery of cancer cure forgotten, while in despair over poor first half of play.

Cowardly board rats that know Self's win rate at KU is highest of anyone that ever coached KU say he's a lousy game coach.

Getting better for next season starts immediately.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 10 months ago

Buying championships with touch and go players like the Henrys doesn't work at KU. The basketball Gods won't let it happen at a sacred place like Lawrence. They didn't care and it showed. TT did not come through like Self had hoped, and hope isn't a course of action. We need more brains at the point, and TT won't be any better than SC in that respect. We needed heart, and we got apathy, distractions, and an early exit. I could have told you this was our destiny the second I read about Morningstar's DUI.

GoBigBlue 9 years, 10 months ago

KU Fans - take this from a UK fan: You had a great year. Winning the Big-12 regular season title and the tournament is a huge achievement. The truth is that if UNI and KU played 100 times, KU would win 99 times. It was just luck.

If some of my fellow UK fans rub salt on your wounds, you should know that they do not speak for most of us. UK respects KU - in fact, most of us would root for KU over the other blue-bloods (Duke, UNC, UCLA).

KU will be back. I wish UK-KU would play each other every year. Keep your heads up!

bentleytiger 9 years, 10 months ago

WOW!! That was probably the best game of the season for me..Look at it this way, ur coach can thank Cal for not being on the hot seat.. Take away 08 and what has he done? We didn't even make the tourney and you only beat us by a bucket, that should have told you something. And by the way, we will be back next year.. What about you U?

TechHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

To all you fairweather armchair coaches out their (this means you HawkfromHays and James122 I have one question for you, when does the collegiate basketball team you coach or play for take the court? Easy to sit back and bitch from your easy chair.

It was another great season, Regular Season Champs, Tourney Champs, 33 wins, swept KSU (3 wins) and Mizzou. We didn't get it done today. Sherron played badly, and did so down the stretch of the season for the most part. Tried to do too much himself. He would probably be the first to tell you that. We flat got outplayed. It happens. Especially with 18-22 year old kids. Nobody feels worse about it than HCBS and the players. Until you guys win 400 games at the collegiate level as a coach, and can even go two minutes with these guys without having to pick your jock up off the floor, how about you shut up!

TechHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey GoBigBlue

Thanks for the touch of class! Appreciate it!

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Surprise Surprise, Bill Self got outcoached in the tournament AGAIN. Someone please come and take this "Not Ready For Prime Time" coach and his stupid 1950's "Okie Ball" system off our hands. Where's T. Boone Pickens when you need him?

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Congratulations to all our players on a great year and great accomplishments. You've brought all KU fans great joy and happiness this year. Thanks for all the excitement all year long.

Anyone on this board who blames this loss on any player is a basketball ignoramus. These players all played extraordinarily well in the "system" they are forced into.

gardenjay 9 years, 10 months ago

Ouch. It was an entertaining season though; and I like being a fan for a team that realizes their limitations and works to overcome them, so for me we're heading in a good direction! Rock Chalk!

David Howell 9 years, 10 months ago

As it has been said, we all are sad, embarrassed and mad ! Looking back winning the Big 12 this year means absolutely nothing to me. Just another notch on the bedpost.

What makes me mad is we had been playing just like this over the last 12 to 14 games. You'd have thought our big time loss to OSU would have awakened us to our many faults and shortcomings. I love coach Self, but have to wonder why and how he couldn't figure out how to fix the situation. May'be it was due to the fact that we at times appeared to be five individuals on the court at one time instead of a team of five.

Sure you can say we were beat by a hot team (for sure a smarter and more disciplined team), but definitely not a better team. I just grew tired of not seeing us play to a higher level of our abilities. Tired of hearing everyone rationalize it was short-term and we would bounce back. If we hadn't lost this game, it wouldn't have taken long for our next loss.

In reflection it was a great year till March 20th of the year 2010. We all knew we had a good team, we all expected great things, and we all know how it ended. I just hope that for next year the players don't come in with such big heads and actually work hard during the off-season as a team. I am sure they will be humbled, but as players and we as fans will not get back what should have been this year.

David Howell 9 years, 10 months ago

As it has been said, we all are sad, embarrassed and mad ! Looking back winning the Big 12 this year means absolutely nothing to me. Just another notch on the bedpost.

What makes me mad is we had been playing just like this over the last 12 to 14 games. You'd have thought our big time loss to OSU would have awakened us to our many faults and shortcomings. I love coach Self, but have to wonder why and how he couldn't figure out how to fix the situation. May'be it was due to the fact that we at times appeared to be five individuals on the court at one time instead of a team of five.

Sure you can say we were beat by a hot team (for sure a smarter and more disciplined team), but definitely not a better team. I just grew tired of not seeing us play to a higher level of our abilities. Tired of hearing everyone rationalize it was short-term and we would bounce back. If we hadn't lost this game, it wouldn't have taken long for our next loss.

In reflection it was a great year till March 20th of the year 2010. We all knew we had a good team, we all expected great things, and we all know how it ended. I just hope that for next year the players don't come in with such big heads and actually work hard during the off-season as a team. I am sure they will be humbled, but as players and we as fans will not get back what should have been this year.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Unfortunately, Bill Self is in over his head. This makes the 4th or 5th time in 7 that he's been outcoached in the tournament. And the 3rd time, shockingly outcoached. This is not a fluke. Sadly, this has become "the norm." When you go in with far superior talent, a roster full of potential NBA talent, and lose to a team with NO NBAers, that's coaching. All season long, we've been watching this coach NOT take advantage of superior talent. Playing a slow down halfcourt game, never running. Playing down to the other team's speed level. Hey Bill, I hope you watched Kentucky today. That's how you play when you have better athletes.

For any of you "Okie Ball" fans out there, take note--Okie Ball hasn't won a tournament in 20 years. Eddie Sutton never won a tourney. This is the 21st century and it's a different game w/ different players now. We won in 08 b/c we had far superior talent and the other team & coach choked.

Unfortunately, "the norm" for Kansas under Bill Self now is to get bounced out of the tourney early by an inferior team. When people think of Kansas, they won't think of Mario's shot. They'll think, "Underachievers--early exit." Thanks Bill.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Amen GreyHawker & bentleytiger--Bill Self's not ready to coach elite athletes at an elite program. If this were baseball, he'd be sent down to the minors. I don't care how many regular season games you win if you keep getting outcoached and beat by inferior teams in the tournament. I hope some of the big money alums feel the same way and start leaning on Lew. Bring on Turg!

jhokfan 9 years, 10 months ago

Disappointing but I’m still glad Bill Self is our coach. The same people who were calling for his head after losing to Bradley are probably the same ones here today. Those same people ate their words in 2008 and they will eventually have to do it again during Bills tenure.

okiedave 9 years, 10 months ago

I hope NIU wins the NCAA. It will be a double bummer if they lose the next round. But love the Hawks and next year will be awesome with great returning players. X needs to return. Hope Aldrich decides on another year.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

KULA -Bill Self in over his head? You have got to be kidding, right? When will people stop placing blame on a coach for a loss and start realizing that no matter how well you prepare or coach during a game, it comes down to player execution, period. All the player talent in the world doesn't mean anything if they don't execute! You put so much emphasis on "running." Let me ask you a question. Were you a KU fan during the Roy Williams era? If you were, you'd know that his teams never won a championship with their style of fast break scoring that you tout as the be all, end all for success in this game. I believe that "fast break" scoring makes for an exciting game and I'd prefer that we run that "style" of offense, but let's be real, that's not why KU lost to Northern Iowa. In fact, Northern Iowa beat us by playing the "Okie Ball" you speak of. Since you say, Bill Self is in over his head, why don't you tell me who is a better choice for KU. Certainly, you don't think Coach Cal is a better fit for such a distinguished program as KU. All we need is a guy that can't run an ethical program. The day that happens at KU is the day I stop being a fan of the school I love.

Hank Cross 9 years, 10 months ago

KULA_ you're right. Self is the biggest underachiever in the Big 12 aside from Rick Barnes. For about 33 minutes he played a slow game for an opponent who wanted to slow it down. Come get 'im OSU. We want Turg.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey Jaybate, how do you know Kentucky is crooked? Maybe Cal gets all those players because he plays the kind of game they wanna play and runs an offense that showcases their talent (not like Bill Self).

ABeesus 9 years, 10 months ago

Collins the best KU guard ever?
Poor 7 time pro all star and Olympic champion Jo Jo White, surpassed at last.

Let's see where Collins goes in the draft.
Frankly, the way he played, perhaps he's hurt again.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey okiedave, don't count on NIU winning the tournament. I'll tell you what you can count on--if they play Michigan State, COACH Izzo will figure out how to beat them. Not like Bill Self.

oreadhawk99 9 years, 10 months ago

KULA - Just like coach Izzo figured out how to beat North Carolina last year, right?

fansincewilt 9 years, 10 months ago

The problem with the March Madness method of selecting a national champion is you usually never get the best team in the end. It is an exciting tournament where almost anyone of the better teams could win. Last year was an exception. Two years ago, we came in as the fourth #1 seed. Kentucky by far has the best talent this year but probably won't win. A best out of seven with fewer teams kind of playoff will never happen in college basketball but would definitely give a different champion most years. Winning the Big 12 does say something about this team. Winning 33 games does as well. I think we would have been better off losing more games and a lower seed. Carrying that #1 most of the year was a burden too heavy for this team. The 88 team got hot at the right time. They got some breaks in their seeding. For the most part they didn't have a great season but ended up as the national champions. This year we had what most would have said was a great team but went out in the 2nd round. They just couldn't get it going at the right time. I think we were one of the top teams in the country. I don't think this loss takes that away from us. We ended the season ranked #1. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean much to most fans. There should be a trophy for that accomplishment. Winning the Big 12 the way we did and ending #1 still makes this a great team. I think too much emphasis is put on this stupid big dance. I'm beginning to hate it more and more. I for one am going to remember this team as the one who ended #1 and Big 12 champions which says more than a stupid loss in OKC on a very cold and snowy day in late March. Basketball is over for me for this year. It is time to go on to other things and let someone else enjoy what we enjoyed in '88 and '08. They will have to do it without me. I won't be watching. The best team will not be crowned this year.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Oreadhawk99-I'm a fan of "running" when you have better athletes than the other team. If you play "dumb Okie Ball" with another Okie Baller, you throw away your advantage (speed, agility, depth). Yeah, Roy never won it all, but he only lost to a double digit seed once in 15 years, as opposed to 3/7 for Self. He also lost to lower seeds in 04 & 07. And if it comes down to player execution, and your players don't execute in 04 & 05 & 06 & 07 & 10, well, what does that tell you about the coach? At the very least, he's not a good motivator. Bill Self would be a great coach for a mid major, but he consistently underachieves in the tournament at the elite level--he's in over his head. Who would I rather have? I'd take Mark Turgeon in a second. I'd take a Larry Brown disciple over an Eddie Sutton disciple anyday. If Turgeon's not available, maybe we could get Ben Jacobson.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

oread--are you really comparing NIU with '09 North Carolina? Gosh, I don't feel so bad about losing now!

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

Anyone complaining about Sherron "trying to do too much" & turning it over, think about this. Self's offense (or lack thereof) is so predictable that the other team beats us to our spot. Case in point, end of 1st half, Cole sets pick for Sherron & Sherron dribbles right into a defender (whose coaches scouted our "offense") who beat Sherron to his spot. Thanks for that offensive creativity, Bill. We've watched that all year--Cole picks for the guard out top, defensive big man switches and forces the guard out to 30 feet. End of play.

Remember NIU's alley oop? Did you see NIU's big man back screen Morris to clear the alley for the oop? That's called a "play" Bill.

KULA 9 years, 10 months ago

hey sooballs--Amen on "Self's idiotic offense."

Mike Gammill 9 years, 10 months ago

KURocksChalk- Not to add to or fuel rumors, but I have heard talk that Calipari may be headed to the pros. If it ends up happening, rumors are swirling about Travis Ford going to UK. Could open the door for HCBS and OSU? If it does all turn out that way, who would you replace him with? The only coach that even begins to pique my interest is Martin at KSU. I like the way he gets on his guys if they aren't performing as he likes. Or, keep it in house and move up Manning. Beyond that, not much out there.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 10 months ago

no way we EVER hire Frank Martin.

Bill Self will not leave Kansas just because this year was a disappoinment.

Unfortunately, Bill could never get these kids "heads right". They only played one great game, against Temple. That's it.

Self's one failure this year was that he wasn't able to instill the killer instinct & sense of urgency. UNI set a perfect example of how kids need to play this game at the highest level that they can play. AND disregard your oponents capabilities. Don't consider their jersey or seeding. Just play YOUR game as hard as you can, and go step on throats.

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