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Saturday, November 21, 2009

Mangino’s contract outlines probe

Investigation is first step for potential ‘termination for cause’

Kansas University head football coach Mark Mangino speaks with media members in this file photo from Saturday, Aug. 18, 2007 following a morning practice at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas University head football coach Mark Mangino speaks with media members in this file photo from Saturday, Aug. 18, 2007 following a morning practice at Memorial Stadium.

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It appears Mark Mangino will remain KU's football coach — for one more weekend at least.

News this week that Kansas University administrators have launched an investigation into the actions of football coach Mark Mangino might have come as a bizarre development to some, but those familiar with the wording of the coach’s contract might not be surprised.

According to the contract — which is a public record but that was provided again to the Journal-World on Friday by a member of the university’s administration who requested anonymity — the school appears to have taken the first step in a potential “termination for cause” of the coach’s tenure in Lawrence.

“In the event (Mangino) is suspected of engaging in serious criminal conduct, fraud, misappropriation or embezzlement, or discreditable conduct,” the contract reads, “the (athletic director) shall conduct or direct that an informal investigation be conducted into the circumstances.”

On Tuesday morning, the Journal-World first reported that KU athletic director Lew Perkins had launched an internal probe into the actions of the eighth-year coach, sparked by an incident in which senior linebacker Arist Wright was allegedly poked in the chest by Mangino during a midseason practice or game.

Since then, several former players have come forward with additional allegations against the coach, some of which have included near-daily oral abuse, threats and the pressuring of players to play through injuries.

According to the contract, which was signed in 2006 but extended before the start of the 2008 season and runs through 2012, termination for cause can be brought about by “discreditable conduct that is inconsistent with the professional standards expected of a head coach of a collegiate sports team and that is seriously prejudicial to the best interest of the University or Athletics” — as determined by KU’s Chancellor in consultation with the athletics director — as well as by “public or private comments that disparage KU, its personnel, programs, policies and/or departments, or that cause damage to KU’s reputation.”

On his Thursday night radio show, Mangino rejected the allegations of some former players, calling their comments “flat-out embellished and just not true.”

He also reiterated his stance that he is comfortable with the manner in which he has run his program.

“I’m at peace with myself,” he said during the hourlong live broadcast. “I’ve got nothing to worry about because I know how we take care of our program and how we take care of our players.”

If the investigation — which is ongoing and has no known timetable for completion — were to find “clear and convincing evidence” to support a termination for cause, Mangino would have 21 calendar days to submit a written appeal to either Chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little or Perkins. The appeal would then be considered by a three-member panel made up of university faculty or professional staff employees — one of whom would be selected by the Chancellor, one by the coach and a third who is mutually agreed upon — who would have the option to uphold the original findings.

In that case, Mangino would be entitled to none of the remaining compensation called for in his contract.

If the committee determines the termination should be voided, however, the university would be required either to reinstate Mangino as the team’s head coach or convert the termination to a termination without cause, in which case the university would be required to pay Mangino his annual salary for the remainder of the term agreement as well as a prorated portion of the $1.5 million retention bonus he would have received had he remained until Dec. 31, 2012. All told, that would be nearly $6.6 million.

Mangino, who is two victories shy of tying A.R. Kennedy’s school record of 52, is set to make $2 million per season over the next three years.

The coach, who was expected to be on the sidelines tonight against Texas, was unavailable for comment Friday, though Gray-Little released a statement supporting Perkins and the ongoing investigation.

“The review of the football program is consistent with the process outlined in Coach Mark Mangino’s contract,” Gray-Little said. “I encourage everyone to wait until this process is completed before drawing any conclusions.”

Comments

Todd 9 years, 4 months ago

This is an embarassment to the university. I love my school but I'm ashamed to be associated with a program that would willingly seek to fire a good coach based on something that would only warrant anger management in other places and even more based on the fact that it would seem the AD no longer likes him.

mojayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

A poke in the chest? Really? Gee, what if someone lays a block on you Mr. Wright?

I agree that if you want him gone, fire him, but don't destroy his career. This is football right? It IS a Gladiator sport. Toughen up kids! You just might face worse things in your life after you take off the cool uniform.

No excuse for the verbal slurs, but at this level see if you can find someone who is Mr. Nice Guy all the time. Let Coach M go or let him coach, but don't let the whiners run the prog, I mean excuse me don't let the whiners ruin the program!

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 4 months ago

2007 season was supposed to happen. The football team beat everyone they were supposed to beat. They were better than everyone they beat. If they would have won less games, it would have been just like every other season that Mangino has coached. I have watched this team go out every year and lose to teams they better than. 2008 they were definitely better than SF and NU. This year they have lost to several teams they were better than. I do not need to go on and list ALL the other exasperating losses from previous years! Come one people, you're acting as if this guy is Steve Spurrier or something!!!

Jeffery Barrett 9 years, 4 months ago

All you people who are defending him are looking like a bunch of 18 year old sorority girls!!!

Eric Schneider 9 years, 4 months ago

I think this is nothing more than Lew Perkins escalating something because he wants to get rid of Mangino. He was looking for a reason and now he's producing one. There are over 100 guys on a major D1 program. You're never going to make all of them happy. That's why Perkins had a meeting with the whole team.

This is a Bush League approach to running a major athletic department.

John Brown 9 years, 4 months ago

I am glad to see Kansas win one Orange Bowl in my lifetime.

Brad Avery 9 years, 4 months ago

"discreditable conduct that is inconsistent with the professional standards expected of a head coach of a collegiate sports team and that is seriously prejudicial to the best interest of the University or Athletics”

This is a nice. ambiguous statement that will lead to months, possibly years of litigation. If you're going to fire the guy, Lew, buy his contract out and be done with it. We all know he's not a nice guy and there is a contingent of players who hate him. So hire another mean sob who is more discreet. But in a win or die business, coaches will push players to the limit, players will have their feelings hurt and people lose their tempers. No one cares because the players get paid too in the form of tuition, free room and board and travel. KU, for those facing the prospect of paying tuition, is now a $60,000 item. So exactly which professional standards would Mangino's alleged behavior be inconsistent with?

316hawk 9 years, 4 months ago

I'm curious about something. All you people who say he isn't doing anything wrong, then how is this going to ruin his career? Remember you are saying he did nothing wrong. lol

Kent Kossoy 9 years, 4 months ago

If he had been smart, he would have left after 2008. Sad thing is we are still a Bush League team waiting to propel another coach to the next level. Sort of what happened with Glen Mason. I am going back to rooting for Texas. Mack is a nice guy and he doesn't have cry babies. No wonder Reising is hurt. He has to stand behind girls.

mojayhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

316 Sadly, people tend to believe anything in writing and what they hear on tv/radio.
Anyone could be ruined if the wrong media gets hold of it, chases it and broadcasts it. Want proof? Look at what we 'believe' in politics.

hawkward1 9 years, 4 months ago

From the start, this is all about wanting to save bucks and at least attempt a termination for cause before ponying up what is due the man b/c you're not satisfied with this year's results. With this and the Joe College situation, the KU administration is looking like a greed-driven machine - screw the small individuals, win at all costs - except on the grid iron, of course. From Al Bohl to Orange Bowl to bLEW-any-chances-for-a-bowl-in-the-next-5-years-bowl.

hawkone 9 years, 4 months ago

I couldn't agree with the majority of you more. Lew took the approach of dragging Mangino through the dirt to fire Mangino. Which I am sure was called for by the big ticket boosters. I wonder how many boosters told Lew they would buy one of the new luxury seats, if only he fired Mangino and brought in someone new. Losing 5 games straight does something to boosters and you see the pettiness all across college football. Don't get me wrong we need their money just as much as we need the small cahnge i throw into the pot, but our administration needs to be running this program not the boosters. The short of it is if Lew wanted him out then fire him and give him the buyout instead of embarassing the university by dragging a coach through the dirt. We keep talking about how this hurts recruiting for players. Imagine how other prospective coaches will look at this situation. Lew better have something big in his back pocket or this won't end well for him either.

Mike Tackett 9 years, 4 months ago

Here is the short and sweet. Lew has screwed the pooch. KU football is down the drain for the next 3-5 years. MM is a football coach that runs his program, his way. To the outsider it may look harsh, but football is a violent game, best played by quick violent players. Like most young males 18-22, we do a lot of things, and then sometimes, think about them later. Every sucessfull BCS level program is either run by a hardass, or has a bunch of hardass assitants. If you don't like a lot of cussin', screaming, pushin', and shovin' drop football. Some of the KU football diehards live in OZ. KU will not have it's pick of when it comes to the new coach. Would you come to KU to work for Lew after this knife in the back, forget about the $$? We have also lost out on a ton of recruits now thanks to all of this. Welcome back to the days of 3-9 and 4-8. Folks I've spent decades watching KU football get thumped by everybody and their little sister, we're back. WE'RE SCREWED. THANKS LEW.

stuckinchanute 9 years, 4 months ago

Mangino is 23-38 in the Big 12, 4-19 against the south (2 wins against Baylor). That's not going to cut it...terrible actually. Take out the one magical year and his overall record is 38-45. We had a soft schedule that year, Mr. Perkins is the one that got us into the Orange Bowl, not Mangino.

Are some of our players a little soft...sure, but this guy isn't the answer as head coach for Kansas!

Ted Toulouse 9 years, 4 months ago

This is basically a witch hunt by the athletic dept., looking for anything and everything to force Mangino out. I would put it past Lew to have contacted former players and asking them to drum up their worst experiences. Lew better have something/someone better up his sleeve, because this process could be cause for HIS termination. How does expect to gain the trust of ANY coach if he treats them like this? I know Mangino is rough around the edges, but he's done things that no other coach in KU history has done. Gotta be willing to give him tons of credit for that.

Brandon Snook 9 years, 4 months ago

Unless something new, substantial and unforseen comes to the surface in this whole mess, I support Coach Mangino 100%.

nckhwk 9 years, 4 months ago

Hawkone: "Losing 5 games straight does something to boosters"...Oh my, MM is like the 15th highest paid head coach in college football. TO KEEP YOUR JOB as a 15th highest paid football coach...you need to be in the top 15. MM's anger management has been an issue since '06. But when you WIN people don't say anything. And when you win you get more boosters. No wins NO BOOSTERS. To an AD in love with moeny, $$ have been streched on the basketball side...but where could you get MORE money for your athletic program...FOOTBALL. And HOOSIERHAWK your right...its not ALL about the $$, its about a national known school, Who could be a two sport school, a new practice facility, the plans for a new stadium rebild, an AD who will pay you for your work...ok SO IT IS ABOUT MONEY. The future for KU: You go out and buy a good head coach, (bill self, ha ha) and in 2 years when the program in back where it needs to be...MM is seen as the guy who laid the foundation and everyone writing on this comment section forgets about this. The only down side for a new coach coming in...clif hanger...Your not going to out shine Bill Self...EVER...not at Kansas anyways.

jayhawkintexas 9 years, 4 months ago

It's really a shame that Todd Reesing is going into a game in his hometown, that I would think he has been looking forward to since he arrived on campus, with all these distractions, rumors and investigations. We should have gone into this game with Texas as a focused, determined team to give it our best shot and if we don't win the game, at least we throw a big scare into Texas. Todd should have gone into the game like a pretty girl going to the biggest dance in her life; instead he is like the pretty girl going to the biggest dance in her life with mud all over her dress. Todd deserved better.

PS. If we're thinking about another coach. why not RC Slocum. He did a great job at Texas A&M, has strong ties to Texas high school coaches and he beat K-State for the Big XII championship.

escaped_labrat 9 years, 4 months ago

stuckinchanute,

No wonder you're stuck in chanute, lol. Ok, then be fair about it, take out the first 3 years of his coaching record as well since he had to start from scratch after Terry Allen destroyed the program while trying to make us into a Div I-AA power. How old are you anyways, 21 or 22? hoosierhawk74, Amen brother, Amen. It's a shame that someone like Lew may not be looking at the context of our program and the way this is being handled. Remember the Royals? I was a humongous, rabid fan growing up...then came the strike....I was still a rabid humongous fan as I recovered from that first strike...time heals most wounds....then came the second strike and constant failure. I keep up with their record in the papers sometimes now...at least they're millionaires.

Kansas Football....In retrospect, we had Glen Mason, granted he left under pressure and I was a rabid fan, listening to the radio (we weren't on tv much) and then came Terry Allen....I suffered, game after game, thinking he'll eventually do some great things...Then came Mark Mangino, and I recovered and remained a rabid fan, finally someone that appeared to know what he was doing, not unlike Glen Mason....Wow, only in my wildest dreams! Bowl games after suffering through the Terry Allen years and a little bit of swagger to boot....beating K-State! Nebraska! Mizzou! Still being in games into the 4th quarter! Players playing hard! More and more television! The Orange Bowl! Finally and Orange Bowl victory!.... Now, it looks like another "Strike" is looming.

So, what do you suppose will probably happen here? Mangino fired, recruits bolt, new hire comes in and starts from a better spot than MM did, but still looking at 2-3 years to start really seeing improvement it that even happens. By then the "New" fans have moved back to basketball 100% and the old ones may or may not continue to follow them on the RADIO since they'll most likely not be in tv much except when it's the other team that merits the viewing audience. We can go back to competing with Baylor and Iowa State for the right to be last or winless in the conference.

Who are we kidding anyways, we're a basketball school....football needs to be put back in its place as a secondary sport, right? Don't want to take away the basketball team's thunder, goodness forbid!

James Hubin 9 years, 4 months ago

2002: 2-10 (0-8), Non-con games against: UNLV, Missouri State, Bowling Green, Tulsa 2003: 6-6 (3-5), Non-con vs. Northwestern, UNLV, Wyoming, Jacksonville State 2003 Bowl: Lost to NC State 2004: 4-7 (2-6), Non-con vs. Tulsa, Toledo, Northwestern 2005: 6-5 (3-5), Non-con vs. Florida Atlantic, Appalachian State, Louisiana Tech 2005 Bowl: Win vs. Houston 2006: 6-6 (3-5), Non-con vs. Northwestern State, LA Monroe, Toledo, South Florida 2007: 11-1 (7-1), Non-con vs. Central Michigan, SE LA, Toledo, Florida International 2007 Bowl: Win vs. Virginia Tech 2008: 7-5 (4-4), Non-con vs. Florida International, LA Tech, South Florida, Sam Houston State 2008 Bowl: Win vs. Minnesota 2009: 5-5 (1-5), Non-con vs. Northern Colorado, UTEP, Duke, Southern Miss

The proof is in the pudding, quit getting your pannies in a bunch, he wasn't that good of a coach, he bought a few non-con victories, then beat a few scrubs in our division and viola everyone around here thinks we have an HOF coach.

I'll give you VT in the OB but I still don't think Tech was as good as advertised in that game and the Big Guy did okay against our two rivals. Mangino should be fired for performance, not because he likes to touch his players.

okiedave 9 years, 4 months ago

I don't know where you guys live, but in Tulsa the Mangino investigation is getting daily coverage and it is humiliating to me, as a alumi, to have Perkin's allow this "investigation" to be leaked to the World. Would "IBM" or "Micro-Soft" announce over their intercom system, "Okay, please be advised that today the following employees are going to be subjected to the beginning stages of a lengthy pre-termination investigation". Perkins needs to be investigated for "intentional infliction of emotional distress" upon the not only Mangino but the entire Jayhawk nation. Good Grief Perkins, what were you thinking? Before the Texas game? On national T.V.?

nobody1793 9 years, 4 months ago

If I drive by Lew Perkins' house, will his skid-mark underpants be clipped to the clothesline? Because even that would be less embarrassing than the way he's allowing the University's dirty laundry to be aired out. Can't we all just let it be basketball season already?

Matt Lacey 9 years, 4 months ago

Before Mangino KU football was boring. Now I plan my Saturdays around it. Give me hard A's like MM and Bobby Knight. Give him another year. He deserves it.

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 4 months ago

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Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 4 months ago

He's gone!!!! He wasn't here for the University anyways...If he really cared he would have lost a lot of weight...

The man is ticking timebomb and a dead coach isn't one that is gonna help the University.

Neither is a coach that isn't gonna try to or even be alive in 3 years!

Joseph Kuebel 9 years, 4 months ago

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kcgridiron 9 years, 4 months ago

This whole thing is an embarssment to the University of Kansas...Has set our program and our recruiting back 5-6 years...Has cemented the fact that we are not committed to success in our football program and says to me that we can't handle the little success that we have had...The level of professionalism in our athletic administration in which this whole thing was handled with two games to go is pathetic...I agree with Mangino. "when you lose this is what happens"...Now we look like a bunch of 4 year old siblings fighting over who got the bigger ice cream cone..."ACT LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE!"...Players, Fans, Administration, Supporters I say again "ACT LIKE YOU'VE BEEN THERE!"...Although we are going to get pounded today in Austin, I sincerely hope and will cheer for a Jayhawk victory just so there is another element to all this scandalis vomit...You know why?...Because it's not going to matter either way, Mangino's still gone, Lew and his faithful made sure of that...And not only that, it will take us back to where this all started..a football team and a program with nothing to lose, how soon we forget our humble beginnings, our roots!...I'm glad we have something to build on, after all isn't that what one of the functions of a athletic administration? This is preservation of progress?..."C'MON MAN"

drewdun 9 years, 4 months ago

kik1958 wrote:

"I am going back to rooting for Texas"

Good riddance. You're probably a UT football fan, KU basketball fan, and a Yankees fan. AKA the worst kind of fan in existence: a frontrunner. If this situation makes you switch your allegiance "back" to Texas, you weren't really a KU fan to begin with, you just hopped on the football bandwagon so you would only have to buy t-shirts of one school instead of two. Loser.

okiedave 9 years, 4 months ago

A female Chancellor at Colorado instigated an investigation against their coach for being too tough on the players and destroyed a good and rising C.U. football program which it still has not been able to emerge from after several years. It looks like Bernadette has used the same experience in her football background that the C.U. Chancellor had, and is agast that a football coach would "poke a chest" "slap a butt" "grab a face mask" "slap a helmet" and other attrocious acts of extreme violence that women abhor and would find humiliating if it happened to them. They may do this sort of thing at winning schools like Oklahoma, Florida, Texas and Alabama, but Benedette is not going to have this sort of rough housing at K.U. From now on coaches at K.U. will be nice - no more of this rough football stuff.

97jhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Sure wish some you posters on here would get your facts right or that the media would get it right too. Arist Wright didn't go to Lew. Ogre Lew called him into his office after sunday practice after the nebraska game. Lew asked Wright direct questions and he answered them. Lew heard about the exaggerated "poke" incident from another player's father who complained to Lew. So can we all just lay off the players? We all know its about money and losses don't equate to it. Also I think Lew is embarrassed about Mangino's weight and the image it presents making many think he's a laughing stock. Its about representation of the university which can equate to money too. It's all about the benjamins as usual and finally Lew has some fuel to fire!

KGphoto 9 years, 4 months ago

Okay, okay! It's over. No need to continue the discussion of what or how this all is going down.

So who's it gonna be? Surely KU can get somebody with a little higher profile. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing David Beaty promoted. He's the best coach we've got. At the very least he needs to remain on staff, for his recruiting.

CheneyHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

This could have waited two more weeks. Lew Perkin$ needs to go. He is ruthless and has kicked KU loyalty in the shorts and destroyed our image too much. He is like spring break - no class. For Lew - pin his name on his sweater and send him to the racetrack.

exiledhawkfan 9 years, 4 months ago

The trouble is, whether this stuff and Mangino's potential firing is justified or not, what kind of coach in their right mind is going to want to come to KU and step into this situation next year if he is fired or saves face and resigns? Whether he stays, is fired, or resigns, this sets the KU program back AT LEAST 3-5 years...that is what is said (whether you're a player, recruit or fan).

babyjay1 9 years, 4 months ago

Okiedave - I guess I should assume that in Oklahoma, women are not as good as men? Are you kidding me that you're blaming this on the Chancellor because she's a woman? This is SO ridiculous! So many people are complaining about MM being thrown under the bus. Are you so willing to believe him that you're willing to throw the players and parents under the bus? Too many players have come forward for this not to be taken seriously. I AM NOT a MM hater but he has gone too far here and the situation is out of control. When he is slamming parents for "not doing their job", then he has gone too far. You can be tough, on the players hard, be a disciplinarian, etc... without humiliating them or using personal issues to get at them. Sorry, that's enough! That's just a lack of self discipline by MM. However it had to come out, it has and now it has to be dealt with - done!! Rock chalk !!!!

Steve Brown 9 years, 4 months ago

domestic abuse?

both sides may be correct. Those saying a poke in the chest & tough love are not cause for contract violation. Those saying some of the allegations, if true, are contract violations.

that is why we will have a panel, for due process.

There is more facts than we can see or this mess is not rational or understandable.

Right or wrong, agree or not, we are in the final chapter and the panel will decide if he gets his buyout or not.

We may never know the extent of the allegations, that once brought to Lew's attention he was bound to look into.

What if? Many dual nice/mad guys have domestic issues or other hidden stuff that is not pretty. Who would tolerate that? What if he has a history of domestic ................... (see how passion rises in your blood when you read this cr$$p I totally created. How fair is that, a blog does not give us media license to write stuff out of thin air.)

it is wrong for me to create stories as in this example Then why do many of us do it?

Some on both sides speculate as if we know the facts, when none of us do at this stage. I was terribly wrong to write that; as some of you are wrong to write to the facts in question. We have to know that blogs are not credible. They are more like backyard gossip. worthless.

Let's be careful and share our opinions based upon what we know what we heard on the radio or read in these blogs or got twittered, as we can create 'anything'. like I just did.

So, I'm going to read all your posts with the prefix, "from what I know I feel such and such" as shellysue does a good job at that. As a group we don't know much. I know the least of you as demonstrated. Let the process play out. Share your thoughts, don't suppose we know the facts.

for those of you with too much beer to get my point, don't bother, it is just a BLOG.

kranny 9 years, 4 months ago

Folks, this is business and it's BIG business. Perkins has been in this game long enough to know when the ship is sinking. We need to remember that Perkins works for KU not Mangino or Self or any coach. He also has a responsibility for the well-being of the student athletes. At first, I defended Mangino about the situation only being a poke in the chest. But after the other allegations came out I had to step back and say whoa! Even if one or two of the stories are true, then he crossed the line-the same as Bobby Knight. Winning games does not give anybody Carte Blanche to be abusive and handle people that could be classified as being on the verge of assault. Games need to be won so stadium suites can be built and sold, recruits need to feel like they will be treated with respect if they play here. KU pays well enough now and have good enough facilities to get a good coach and good recruits. We have some very talented players coming back next year. Mangino will find an offensive coordinator job somewhere and the Hawks will be in a BCS bowl two seasons from now with either Chris Peterson(Boise State), Gary Patterson(TCU) or the UConn coach(now that would raise some eyebrows). Gotta love college sports and the high drama. Go Hawks beat Texas!!!

okiedave 9 years, 4 months ago

Babyjay1, actually Oklahoma women are better and smarter than Oklahoma men, they just don't understand or play football as well as men.

nobody1793 9 years, 4 months ago

CaliHawk33 (anonymous) says... "shut up"

Listen, jack. I didn't say anything one way or the other about Mangino...if he deserves to be fired or not, that's not the point. Lew is letting this thing turn into a big circus, and it is a black eye on the University and the state. If this is something that has been going on for years, it could have waited two more weeks until after the season. If there is something more serious that we don't know about, this should have already been over.

86finalfour 9 years, 4 months ago

This is reporting? ?This seems more like a paper publishing a press release -- there's nothing quite like the media doing your own PR work.

jayhawker97 9 years, 4 months ago

"Since then, several former players have come forward with additional allegations against the coach, some of which have included near-daily oral abuse, threats and the pressuring of players to play through injuries." -- have they watch Mr. Woodcock.. i thought that's a standard football coach drill in practice/play.. yeaaap... this is stupid, and a shame shame shame. . .

Andy Godwin 9 years, 4 months ago

This public degrading of Mangino needs to stop. Either fire Mangino based on his record and honor the contract Perkins happily agreed to after the orange bowl or stop dragging his name through the mud and let him go on with coaching. These are supposedly grown men who have been playing a rough sports since they were young and have had many different coaches with varying coaching styles. I am sure that all have been "verbally abused", i.e., motivated, to varying degrees in the past. It is becoming apparent that this is a ploy by Perkins (and I hope that Chancellor is not a part of this smear campaign) to discredit Mangino in order to void his contract and save the University money. Either fire Mangino and honor his contract or leave him alone and let him do his job. Everyone seemed to like the way he was doing his job the past few years.

James Hubin 9 years, 4 months ago

kranny, please read kranny's very rational and intelligent post!

Eric Meyer 9 years, 4 months ago

The key question is, what's changed? Is KU trying to save money and fire Mangino for interpersonal transgressions when it's really his team's disappointing record this year that's at issue? Or is it that a new chancellor is (as many in academia are) obsessed with the notion of rooting out so-called toxic environments? The former chancellor undoubtedly knew about most of the transgressions. The one that happened this year seems too minor to have altered a pattern. Did KU put up with them before only because Mangino was winning -- in which case KU turns out to be a disloyal, Machiavellian hypocrite? Or were those things not considered that bad -- in which case the change in chancellor and notions of political correctness are what this is all about? Either way, the damage is now done. KU cannot retain Magino. The athletic director knows that. He would never have let this leak otherwise. The question for him is whether he's cold and calculating or whether he's afraid for his own job if he doesn't start to toe a line he previously did not have to. Interview Perkins and especially Hemenway.If they're honest, you'll get your answer. Either way, it's KU as much as Mangino that gets a black eye.

Dennis Mahorney 9 years, 4 months ago

Its all very sad, that we care what KU football players had to endure now that some of them are gone, and the wins have dried up. Talk about situational ethics....Thank you to all KU students, student athletes, professors, and behind the scenes people that toil in obscurity making KU the fine school it is, despite a problem here and there. We are STILL the Kansas Jayhawks....Most teams would love to have our past, present and future. I hope the best for all involved. GO KU!

Jim Pendleton 9 years, 4 months ago

I am not going to re-hash earlier posts from this week. This is a sad situation that regardless how it turns out, is likely to set the program back from a recruiting point of view in the immediate future.

However, I do have a response for nckhwk - While I realize that basketball is and likely always will be king around here, where is it written that you can't be great in BOTH football and basketball? For evidence, I give you Florida (natl titles in both same year), Ohio St, Texas, Wisc, OU, and others have had excellent programs in both sports for many years to name a few.

We need all of Jayhawk Nation to stay on the fb bandwagon regardless of what happens here. The new facilities, recent bowl success (3 wins in 4 yrs), sellout crowds, great tailgating atmosphere. These are a few of the things that will continue to help going forward, and everyone must stay on board.

Yes we are the big boys in bb. I have said it before and I'll say it again - you want to be one of the big boys in fb, you have to act like it. Starts in the program, and carries on down to the fans. Rock Chalk!

jayhawkhusker 9 years, 4 months ago

If these allegations against Mangino were totally true, why didn't someone "condemn" him earlier? Surely, something would have been leaked to a friend, parent or someone in the past eigtht years. Were other players jumping on the bandwagon (which is the personality of some people). Furthermore, I do not condone abusive behavior, but it seems that kids today can call "wolf" if they are ridden hard by a coach. Being ridden hard by a coach during a game was motivation to me to play that much harder during a game because I was angry. Why is it today that everyone has to "baby" players. Are they not as mentally tough today? No one can discipline anywhere today without the fear of being turned into the AD or to SRS. Don't get me wrong, any physical abuse and mental abuse is wrong, but if these allegations are true, then I think it would have leaked before now and it was abusive, then "shame on you" to the coaches and players who left to let it continue. Seems to me, everyone is at fault. Furthermore, if it was as bad as Arist says. Why did he wait so long????

rockchalk69 9 years, 4 months ago

What are recruit's parents going to think now that Magino is blaming parents? Well we lose some top recruits for that remark?

duanep5ku 9 years, 4 months ago

I would like to remind all the young MM haters one thing KU football has been around for a long time. Do you not remember the good ole days of old at KU. I will give you an example go back to a time when KU and KSU played and both teams entered that game with no wins. The excitement that year was that one team was going to win one game and state bragging rights. Well what happened you asked on that exciting day when both teams was trying to get one win on the season. They tied both teams ended that season with no wins. "Yes the good ole days" In Kansas football So please be careful for what you wish full. I would agree the record could be better "Yes but keep in mind KU football is still a small fish in the grand scheme of things when it comes to recruits, We still lose the higher ranking players to the big schools that's just the way it goes. I would like for the Saidtomuch to look up the KU football history before you complain to much because it could be a lot worse and beleive me it has been.

nettiepie 9 years, 4 months ago

Coach M has turned around the fball program in ways that go way beyond wins and losses. It wasn't so long ago (Terry Alan days) that we attended those sad games where we'd play one or two good quarters and then fall apart, the KU fans -- which only filled half the stands on a good day and wore anything but school colors-- would leave at half time, and after the game Terry Alan would come on the big screen and hem-haw about how "it just wasn't our day, we just didn't get the breaks, things just didn't fall our way." while the remaining KU loyal boooood him. I have truly enjoyed Coach Mangino's zest and the shot of enthusiasm he's put back into KU football. It will be sad to see him go if that's the plan. I guess the administration can take a chance on hiring a coach that's a little controversial and if we win he's the hero and if we lose, they can fire him with cause and save a bundle? So sad. If it's time for a change, and you want a kinder gentler coach, be careful what you wish for. KU football will once again melt away into obscurity.

rawkhawk 9 years, 4 months ago

I can understand the skepticism that some feel about the upcoming investigation results. However, where we're at is where we're at. I'm going to boldly suggest to remain calm until the investigation is over and then draw conclusions. I'm not going to say that I've agreed with every Lew decision, but I respect that he has advanced KU sports in his tenure. MM has done incredible things in his tenure for KU FB. There are many ways to spin the sorry situation, but I do think the investigation process needs proceed at this point.

Dennis Mahorney 9 years, 4 months ago

Whoever cooked this kettle of fish is open to alot of debate.Many thoughtfull people have posted various angles. Now its just getting ugly though, as people end up having to say things they never thought they would revisit, or were willing to live with as the price you pay for being part of a D1 football program. Every response to a response, is getting another in return. people are getting pulled in. Old sores are reopened. Coaches who did not feel they were treated fairly are probably somewhat empowered. What is this doing to the dynamics of the team unity? rockchalk69 is right. Words matter, pushed pulled forced out of you, they stay with you.....This is not good....

TexasJayhawk78 9 years, 4 months ago

A member of the university’s administration who requested ANONYMITY...????

Come on, does anyone at the University have the guts to stand up and say what is really on their mind?

Here is the true agenda: 1. We are cheap and do not want to honor the contract. 2. We are looking for a way to cover our own backside no mater what happens to the university or anyone else working there. 3. We never did like Mangino because he did not kiss our butt and now that his record is sliding we have a chance of getting rid of him. 4. We want to bring in some of our "good 'ol boy" buddies. 5. If we have to pay off Mangino's contract I could lose my job and let's face it where would I go? This is not an option. 6. Who cares about the students? We don't... 7. I like having my picture taken while standing next to the big winner and presenting awards to him, but this year I my miss my photo opportunity.

I am so glad the people in charge of this mess are not from Kansas and did not walk the halls with those of us who graduated there. Maybe they can go back to where they came from and screw up their Alma Mater.

Now that the administration has demonstrated how to handle conflicts and stressful situations it will be interesting to see what happens when the students are apposed to the professors, staff, administration, and even law enforcement at the university. How will the students handle issues that arise? I hope the students do a better job than those administrators they are to look to for guidance.

I do not fault an administration for wanting what is best for a program. Even if that means letting a coach go, but have some guts, have some class, have some professionalism

okiedave 9 years, 4 months ago

Lew did not start an investigation without first being directed or consulting with Bernadette. Either Bernadette wants him out for chest poking or Lew wants him out because Mangino does not represent what he wants as a coach. How do you get rid of a football coach who was coach of the year and won an orange bowl two years ago. You find an excuse. Chest poking is not sufficient because all major conference coaches poke chests, grab arms and pull players or push them around to field to position them, grab their face masks, and slap them on back of the helmet and tell their players to know the difference between pain and injury. If Mangino was winning the Big XII North but was still an embarrassment because of his weight or getting complaints from players mothers for poking chests, Lew would order him to loose weight and to lighten up on the players and it would be a non-issue. To fire him Lew needs more ammo. Thus the investigation and discussions with former players. The fix is on.

If Bernadette and Lew are hell bound to terminate MM, I hope they use the excuse of his record this year and not for this chest poking and being a tough disciplinarian pretext. I want to attract a coach who wants his players to go to war every week, and not make peace on the field.

What I really hope is that we soundly beat Texas and Missouri, go to good bowl game and beat the crap out of our opponet and watch Lew announce the investigation did not find sufficient evidence to terminate MM and that no coach is perfect.

jsmith725 9 years, 4 months ago

bdsnook said:

"Unless something new, substantial and unforseen comes to the surface in this whole mess, I support Coach Mangino 100%."

Short, concise and perfectly reflects my feelings. Nothing I've heard so far warrants firing the man, but I'm willing to sit tight and see if anything else comes out. My contributions to the athletic program, although a chunk of change to me, are insignificant compared to the big boosters. All I can do is sit back and let those in charge do their jobs.

Larry Smith 9 years, 4 months ago

There seems to be at least three camps here.(probably more)

The camp occupied by saidtoomuch, stuckinchanute,sgtjb123 and many others. which is; Hey, he was never that good to begin with and his record speaks for itself. Get rid of him and hire a coach who will really succeed here. They make a valid point.

The camp occupied by too many to name, but I will include myself. which is; Are you kidding me, we are about to dismantle OUR coach's career because of a few crybabies who were all marginal players and lost their job because they were soft anyway. A poke?? Verbal abuse?? Grow up, man up, and get over it. Also a valid point of view.

The camp occupied by many others, which is; Hey, before Mangino arrived, KU football was irrelevant. The losing was miserable, our players were soft, the coaching was miserable, and Coach mark Mangino deserves credit for making Saturdays in the fall fun again. It may not always be pretty, but KU football is once again relevant, and he got us to the orange bowl. Give the guy a break. They also have a valid point.

Regardless of which camp you are in, there is one thing I think that is indisputable and we can all agree on: The way this whole scenario has played out, and the way that the administration has handled it, has been absolutely deplorable. It has been mismanaged, and unprofessional from the start. And it gives the air of an underlying motive.

Maybe its just me, but thats the way I see it.

Pacer 9 years, 4 months ago

I've been a bit surprised that the media has not covered another angle to this story. Scholarships for college athletes have to be renewed by the coaches on an annual basis. This dynamic gives college coaches almost complete control over a player's future opportunities at the school. Insinuating that a player may not be back with the program because of a lack of performance is a dangerous tact for a coach to take because the university is supposed to be about so much more than winning. I'm somewhat amazed that the media continually does not report this in its stories. Strange. Very, very strange.

gchawk 9 years, 4 months ago

If someone has already posed this question, forgive my oversight, but with all this mess going on I wonder what's going on with the treatment of Artis Wright by the coaching staff and the rest of the team? I would think that there has to be quite a bit of uneasiness and alienation created because of this "event". There are so many underlying plots that have occurred because of this whole mess, i.e. Perkins "leaking" this debacle, Mangino's temper and possible inexcusable verbal tirades, whiny players who don't realize that this is serious business, Bernadette Gray-Little's (I hate hyphens) obvious support for Perkins but showing none for Mangino. my what interesting bylines, can't wait for the movie to come out!

HawkInAL 9 years, 4 months ago

As an Olathe native and now having lived in SEC country for the last 11 years, I have to chuckle when I read all these comments. This is what happens at programs that aspire to have top-tier football teams. Top-tier teams means top-tier money and that means big money boosters. To think otherwise is naive. At Auburn, Tommy Tubberville was 4 years removed from an UNDEFEATED season, had one sub-par year, lost to Alabama, lost the team, lost the support of AD Jay Jacobs and the big$$ boosters, and lost his job. He "resigned" and yet for his great service to the university was still given his buyout?! Closer to home, the K-State boosters passed the hat and ran Ron Prince out of town with a buyout that only now the details of which are finally being revealed. Similar soap-opera worthy scenes are played out all over the SEC and other major college programs. To all of you who criticize Lew Perkins, understand that having an AD like him is a necessary evil in order to have a successful football program. Do any of you honestly think Al Bohl could have done what Perkins has? Please...

Jeff Hargate 9 years, 4 months ago

I find it humorous that either KU did not do it's due dilligence before we hired him or we just forgot about who Mangino really is. At KSU he was Snyder's enforcer. He would rip a players heart out and then grandpa Snyder would build the player back up. At OU he did the same thing for Stoops. Who did we think we were getting...a chior boy? I am not saying he is a bad guy, but he demands a lot out of his players. His biggest failure (yet to be determined failure) may have been not having an assistant to play good cop/bad cop with.

I also find it humorous that many posters think that KU football is to the point that a coach cannot have a sub-par season. I don't think MM fumbled or dropped passes. If we go to a bowl game this season I will be very happy that we were able to achieve something after the last 5 weeks. I remember when a sub-par season was less than 4 wins...that was like 5 years ago. ISU firing McCarney a few years ago after a couple "sub-par" seasons really set them back when they did not need to make a change. We are never going to be an OU or Texas...it is financially impossible. Mangino's approach to keep sawing wood is what KU needs. We will be a constant work-in-progress every year with our recruiting potential.

I am disgusted with the KUAD for handling this situation so poorly. You would think that with all the negative pub we have recieved lately that we would keep this in-house until the investigation was completed. Until then, RCJH Mark Mangino.

hawkward1 9 years, 4 months ago

I never would have thought that complaints of chest pain would come from a player before coming from Mangino himself.

okiedave 9 years, 4 months ago

Jayhawk86: I think you see it pretty well.

rastameta 9 years, 4 months ago

There is so much more to this story then anyone knows. Lew wanted to let Mangino go last year and Hemmingway did not allow it. Lew put Mangino on notice for both his performance and behavior. This year as soon as some players parent approached him with concerns about Mangino, he then went to Wright and the team to get more insight. Then he took it to the chancellor and she was aboard based on what he had found out.

Finally, Lew did need to disclose an investigation was under way and he was correct in doing it now and not after the season for several reasons which I am not going to go into here.

Once the final report comes out, all of the Mangino supporters will feel blindsided and disappointed that they supported him.

duanep5ku 9 years, 4 months ago

I just want to add the main part of my complaint is the timing of the issue because it stinks, I think the administration should understand what their doing to the team. I would like the seniors to go out with pride in what they have done at KU. I hope we can all agree in part this could have waited till the end of the season. I think the timing proves what their agenda really is but at what cost to the program. As fans do we really think this is a smart ideal to bring this issue up at this time. It is being handled in the media which is bad for KU once again. Lets understand the other programs are going to be able to use this against us in the recruiting battle and lets forget the football issue for the moment. It also would have been better to raise this issue after the basketball recruits signinig period ended. HCBS job might be getting harder right about now,I hope not

JayhawkCrazy 9 years, 4 months ago

This is about so much more than a poke in the chest. Look at the number of starters and premiere players that have come forward. Yes, coaches do the things that Mangino does BUT coaches also build you up and also talk about the positives. I believe that is what makes him different than other coaches.

Lew Perkins is doing the investigation to save the university further embarrassment. It is because of Perkins that we are not near the bottom financially. When he took over we were either 11th or 12th in the Big XII. I believe we now are around 5th or 6th, which is a huge improvement.

The facilities have improved imensely--thanks Lew.

Look back to 2004, 2005, 2006--there were so many games we should have won. This year is the final straw. There are better coaches that will come to KU because we are willing to pay the price. If we keep the talent we have and don't lose very many of the guys who have already signed; I really believe KU will be Ok in the long run.

The guy weighs 450 pounds. What do recruits think when he talks about commitment and committing to the weightroom. How many recruits have we lost because of him.

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

jayhawkintexas (anonymous) says... We should have gone into this game with Texas as a focused, determined team to give it our best shot and if we don't win the game, at least we throw a big scare into Texas. Todd should have gone into the game like a pretty girl going to the biggest dance in her life; instead he is like the pretty girl going to the biggest dance in her life with mud all over her dress. Todd deserved better.

KU should've gone into all their games focused and determined. I don't think Texas is afraid of anyone at this point. KU deserves better than this entire fiasco!!

Also, your pretty boy Reesing is partly the reason why we're in this huge mess. He is a small reason for Mangino's possible demise. Don't make Reesing out to be a victim.

At any rate, it doesn't matter. It's water rolling under the bridge at this point. Most agree that regardless of whether your pro-Mangino/or anti-Perkins, this is an evaluation. I don't think anyone would want Perkins to simply turn a blind eye to the matter. We all know there's way too much at stake.

How did Perkins know to put the "conduct" clause into the contract?

This is nothing more than a coincidental evaluation and the football record has very little to do with the overall issue. Much of this is unfortunate but necessary to decide where the football program is and where it is going.

The "exposing" of this information is due to the fact that it is a high profile position. Mangino is the head coach of a national football program at one of the leading state schools in the nation. KU is attempting to do their jobs and the media is blowing this way out of proportion. If you have to take sides, we need to simply support the university and hope for the best. I do hope we can resolve this issue quickly and move forward with or without some of the leading participants involved.

RCJHKU

jhokfan 9 years, 4 months ago

I haven't read anything that is so far over the top it would warrant his firing. But, if the university wants to fire him they'll find something. "Discreditable conduct" is vague enough to dismiss him for anything. Even if he survives the inquiry, he is faced with a recruiting problem that eventually may be his downfall.

okiedave 9 years, 4 months ago

Listened to the Okla. - Tex. Tech game on the radio today. The post-game show spent 30 minutes discussion the Mangino / Kansas issue. They said that several coaches have been NAMED as possible replacements and mentioned the UConn head coach and Nolan Cromwell (assistant coach at Tex. A&M). Has a decision been made to the point that replacements are being mentioned? Anybody heard?

Joe Baker 9 years, 4 months ago

I haven't heard about Cromwell.

I've only heard of HC of UConn, Sumlin at Houston and Weis of ND. But all speculation and premature rumor at this point.

This is one big nightmare! What a mess!

CheneyHawk 9 years, 4 months ago

Source says Mangino announces his resignation after the TX game 2 nite.

James Hubin 9 years, 4 months ago

Wow, seems as the saga continues the posts get much more thoughtful, okiedave you're right, Jayhawk86 really gets to the gist of what people are thinking.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 4 months ago

So they give the investigation to a woman who has no clue about what it's like to play football? That is ridiculous, she'll be shocked by normal things. How can she possibly be objective simply by the fact that she has no chance to possibly understand the discipline and toughness needed by football players.

They need to let the women stick to PR and sideline interviews and give this investigation to a man who knows what actions really cross the line.

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