Wednesday, February 21, 2018


Tom Keegan: Bill Self 17-0 in Big 12 payback games and Texas Tech has 17-game home winning streak

Kansas head coach Bill Self tours the top floor of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts following a jacket presentation on Thursday, Sept. 7, 2017. On Friday, Self will be inducted into the Hall of Fame

Kansas head coach Bill Self tours the top floor of the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts following a jacket presentation on Thursday, Sept. 7, 2017. On Friday, Self will be inducted into the Hall of Fame


Skid Row is lined with gamblers who flouted conventional wisdom and bet against a winning streak.

Given that, the best advice for anyone trying to project a winner in the Big 12's game of the year Saturday in Lubbock, Texas, is to sit this one out, turn on the tube and enjoy the action unfolding on the court.

Pick Kansas and you’re betting against Texas Tech’s 17-game winning streak at United Supermarkets Arena, which holds 15,000 spectators and figures to be at its loudest for Saturday’s 3:15 p.m. tipoff.

More than a year has passed since the Red Raiders last lost at home, 82-80, in overtime to Iowa State. Eleven days before that, Tech lost a 1-point game to Kansas on Josh Jackson’s free throw with 2.8 seconds left.

Pick Tech to win and you’re betting against another 17-game winning streak.

Bill Self has lost the front end of a Big 12 home-and-home series 17 times in his 15 seasons at Kansas. Remarkably, Self holds a 17-0 record in revenge games.

KU needed an overtime period to settle the score in five of the paybacks: 90-89 vs. Iowa State in 2004; 87-86 vs. Missouri in 2012; 68-67 at Oklahoma State in 2013; 76-69 vs. West Virginia in 2015; and 84-80 vs. West Virginia in 2017.

Kansas has scored blowouts in most of the dozen revenge games decided in regulation, winning by an average margin of 20.8 points, all but one by double digits.

In 2006, Missouri won the first Border War game, 89-86, and KU destroyed the Tigers in the rematch, 79-46. Three years later, KU scored a 25-point payback against Missouri.

Seven of Self’s 17 paybacks, including the most recent, have come by margins of 24 points or greater.

Monday's 104-74 blasting of Oklahoma was the 17th revenge success. Trips to Lubbock, Texas, and Stillwater, Okla., represent opportunities to run KU’s regular-season revenge record to 19-0 under Self.

Monday's game, by the way, completed Self’s 100th home-and-home Big 12 series. He has swept 69 of those, split 31 and has yet to be swept.

Picking Tech requires betting against a 100-series streak, a most intimidating number.


Marc Frey 4 years, 5 months ago

I believe we went in there a few years back and broke another long streak TT had at home.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

Meanwhile, Oklahoma State just beat Texas Tech 79-71!

Dirk Medema 4 years, 5 months ago

Some people think that a strong Big12 is trouble for continuing the streak, but IMO it helps them. Yes, there are more L's, but ultimately those other teams also have to play each other. It's not just about beating KU.

Jonathan Allison 4 years, 5 months ago

OSU now boasts wins over then #6 ranked TTU, #19 WVU, #7 KU, #4 OU, and #19 Florida State.

They have no losses outside of the top 100 in the RPI. They are a much better team than their record and their ranking would indicate.

Their resume looks good next to that FSU team that they beat for example... who is still ranked #25 in the AP.

Make no mistake.... OSU is much better than #92 which is their ranking in the RPI.

Joe Ross 4 years, 5 months ago

Somebody check my math, but if Kansas wins Saturday then will have won the Big 12 regular season championship (the worst they could do is a tie) and they will have broken UCLAs record, being alone at 14 in a row.

Joe Ross 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes I see it. I think my question preceded his article, though...

Tom Keegan 4 years, 5 months ago

Kansas can't lose that streak Saturday, so the streak is not on the line.

Joe Ross 4 years, 5 months ago

I see you responded to me below with the same comment before replying here, clearly indicating an incandescence for making a correction on the matter. Fair enough. Nevertheless, nobody--me included--mentioned the streak being "on the line" in this comment. Your enthusiasm is boiling over. A bit frothy at the mouth, now, huh? LOL.

Dave Miller 4 years, 5 months ago

It's 8:15 pm as I write this. OSU has beaten TTU 79 to 71. If I weren't so superstitious, I would say the stars have aligned for Kansas...but I won't say that... I'll wait and watch the game on Saturday, yelling and screaming as if I were at Lubbock, like so many other KU fans.


Kent Richardson 4 years, 5 months ago

Nice. It's tough not wanting to trust your instincts. Lol

Corey Sparks 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes a win Saturday would give us at least a shared title. Gonna be a tough one though. Tech is a matchup nightmare for us, they're home, and tech is on a 2 game losing streak....I never feel comfortable playing a good team on a losing streak.

With that said balls in our court. The title is KU's to lose. I think any of of us would have taken that back in January. Can't wait to see how they come out Saturday. I think this game Saturday will reveal alot on what to expect from this team in March.

Joe Ross 4 years, 5 months ago

...thats what I thought. So the all-time conference win streak is on the line Saturday night.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 5 months ago

Not "on the line", which means in jeopardy, or endangered. Saturday or 2 of the remaining 3 still does it.

14 is attainable Saturday, and we can ensure a share of our 14th, but it's not on the line.

Tom Keegan 4 years, 5 months ago

Can't lose the streak Saturday, so it's not on the line.

Joe Ross 4 years, 5 months ago

Come on Tom, Dirk. You guys know what I meant. Your prowess for editing is working overtime. Suffice it to say it seems a very odd thing to makes any bones about. And twice, at that!

I'll rephrase. For you both. "The all-time conference win streak is in play Saturday night."

You'll be able to sleep now, tonight...

Mike Kendall 4 years, 5 months ago

17-0 in payback games and Tech holds a 17-game home winning streak--well, ain't that special. There's another number on my mind right now, and it ain't 17---it's #14 baby!

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 4 years, 5 months ago

Kansas’ payback is the unstoppable force versus TT’s home court immovable object. I’ll finally find out the answer to that question!

Ken Lassman 4 years, 5 months ago

17-0 vs 17-0? Sounds like a prime match-up for a great game.

Richard Wright 4 years, 5 months ago

Tom: How many of the payback games were played on the road instead of the comfy confines of AFH? Can't be too many since Coach Self has only lost 10 or 11 games total in AFH. And both payback games remaining this year are on the road!

Brad Farha 4 years, 5 months ago

One I can think of is OSU with Marcus Smart, but there can't be many (if any) others given his record at home.

Tom Keegan 4 years, 5 months ago

The only other one came when Jim Woolridge's K-State team beat KU in Allen in 2006, 59-55, then lost the rematch, 66-52.

John Brazelton 4 years, 5 months ago

KU's biggest advantage is we have win games at the end of conference every year to win the Big 12 titles. Few other Big 12 teams have to deal with that pressure every year. Let's hope our current team has saved their best basketball for these last three games.

David Robinett 4 years, 5 months ago

Irresistible force meets immovable object.

David Robinett 4 years, 5 months ago

That’s absolutely correct John. Teams that have never done at tend to wilt down the stretch .

Harlan Hobbs 4 years, 5 months ago

Being 17-0 in rematch games is simply phenomenal, and far more impressive in my book than a 17 game home winning streak. KU has done the latter many times, but the rematch streak just points out how outstanding Coach Self and his staff are in learning from the past.

Of course, given that prior to this season, KU rarely loses at home means that most of the rematch victories were in AFH. Would be interesting to know how many of the 17 wins were on the road.

If KU plays with the intensity and good points distribution like they did against OU, they will win at Lubbock, especially if Evans is still ailing from his toe injury. Six players were in double figures against OU, and that makes KU extremely hard to guard.

Tony Bandle 4 years, 5 months ago

On January 2nd, when Tech beat KU at Allen, half the student body was on Xmas break, the distraction of Billy Preston was ramping up, Silvio De Sousa was still essentially a high school player, Mitch Lightfoot had yet to find his Mojo, Dok couldn't make a free throw if his life depended on it.and West Virginia and Oklahoma were the teams presenting the biggest threat to The Streak while Texas Tech was flying way under the radar.

Things can sure change in 8 weeks!

I'll be honest with you all, once KU gets number 14 I'm done with the streak and we can all get back to going for National Championships!

Len Shaffer 4 years, 5 months ago

Ain't it a shame that the Elite 8 isn't two out of three? With Self's record in revenge games, imagine how many more Final Fours (and championships) we would have.

Doug Stahler 4 years, 5 months ago

I wish it was Saturday already. I am pregnant with anticipation.

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