Kansas State defeats Kansas, 30-20

  • 2 p.m., Oct. 28, 2017
  • David Booth Kansas Memorial Stadium, Lawrence, KS

Saturday, October 28, 2017

Not Enough: Despite improvements, Jayhawks slip against Kansas State

Kansas quarterback Carter Stanley (9) is shoved out of bounds by Kansas State defensive back Denzel Goolsby (20) during the third quarter on Saturday, Oct. 28, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas quarterback Carter Stanley (9) is shoved out of bounds by Kansas State defensive back Denzel Goolsby (20) during the third quarter on Saturday, Oct. 28, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.


There was no question something significant about the Kansas football team’s offense had to change Saturday at Memorial Stadium in order for the Jayhawks to exorcise the demons of their previous two weekends, and the torment of consecutive shutout road losses.

The modification came at quarterback, with coaches granting Carter Stanley the first start of his redshirt sophomore season.

The amendment to the lineup nearly worked, too, as Stanley and junior receiver Steven Sims Jr. had the underdog Jayhawks within a touchdown of rival Kansas State in the fourth quarter, in front of an announced crowd of 36,223. However, this Sunflower Showdown ended as most featuring a Bill Snyder-coached Wildcats team do, with K-State prevailing, 30-20.

A promising 97-yard touchdown drive — capped by a five-yard rushing score by Taylor Martin that made it 20-13, K-State — spanned the end of the third quarter and the start of the fourth. The series seemed to assure KU would put itself in position to seriously challenge its rival from Manhattan.

But after the Kansas defense, which limited the Wildcats to 340 yards and 15 first downs, compared to KU’s 482 yards and 20 firsts, held K-State to 11 yards and forced a punt, the Jayhawks’ chances of ending a six-game losing streak began to unravel.

Sims called for a fair catch on a 37-yard Nick Walsh punt, but his teammate Shakial Taylor was hit with a personal foul for a block out of bounds and the drive started on KU’s own 6-yard line instead of its 14. On a day Kansas special teams gave up a return touchdown for the third straight week and punter Cole Moos averaged just 32.3 yards on his six kicks, the Taylor penalty was one of many black eyes in what head coach David Beaty calls “the hidden third.”

In an empty backfield on first down, Stanley began the ensuing series trying to run but lost five yards. Two incompletions later, Moos punted again, and after the ball traveled 35 yards, Byron Pringle’s 10-yard return made for an easy three-play, all-run Alex Barnes 26-yard touchdown drive, and an insurmountable 27-13 advantage for K-State.

“It was frustrating,” Stanley said of the sequence after passing for a career-high 418 yards, the most by a KU QB since Todd Reesing. “Just wish we would have been able to go all the way down and get some points or at least get better field position for the defense, but it’s just unfortunate.”

To their credit, the Jayhawks (1-7 overall, 0-5 Big 12) made a lightning-quick response — a two-play TD drive, thanks to a 60-yard touchdown throw from Stanley to Sims, who racked up a career-best 233 receiving yards, the most by a KU receiver since Dezmon Briscoe had 242, in 2009.

“That’s what we kind of expected out of ourselves all year,” Sims said of the offense showing some explosiveness after a dreadful couple of road blowouts. “We know we’ve got a lot of big-play guys outside lined up at wide receiver. Any given game we can do that and I feel like we can do that every game.”

Even so, the KU offense couldn’t score again after that quick strike with 6:51 to play, and K-State (4-4, 2-3) sealed the victory, improving Snyder’s record versus Kansas to 22-4 all-time, with a 41-yard field goal by Matthew McCrane with 1:21 remaining.

“I’m really proud of our guys,” third-year Kansas coach David Beaty said after the home loss. “I’m very unsatisfied but really proud of the way our guys responded. Offensively, coming back, being able to respond off of a couple of weeks that were unacceptable. Defensively, seeing that unit continue to improve.”

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Beaty lamented K-State’s average starting field position was its own 46-yard line in the win, and often referenced the costly special teams mishaps while feeling positive about KU’s offense and defense. On the Wildcats’ five scoring drives the longest traveled 35 yards.

A week after making an impassioned plea to his team following the 43-0 loss at TCU, junior defensive tackle Daniel Wise said the team’s leaders got the type of response they hoped for, even though it came in defeat.

“They stepped up and you could see it in their eyes early in the week and throughout the game. They played with a lot of passion, a lot of energy,” Wise said. “Of course it’s a rivalry game so that probably had a lot to do with it, as well. But guys definitely stepped up.”

Wise also credited the production of Stanley (23-for-48 passing, 418 yards, one TD, and an interception on the game’s final play) and Sims with igniting the whole team.

“It helps us a lot. He had the energy going. (Stanley) was moving the ball up and down the field, obviously getting points on the board,” Wise said. “Not just him. Khalil (Herbert), Book (Jeremiah Booker), all the guys who played a role in catching the ball, and the coaches, as well. Everybody kind of played as a unit.”

According to Stanley, he didn’t learn he would start prior to Saturday, but had “a hint.”

“I definitely had more reps with the ones this week, definitely as the week went on, too,” Stanley said. “It was definitely nice to get the timing down with those guys.”

Beaty characterized Stanley’s game as “great” and said the QB who started the final three games of 2016 “did some of the things we really thought he could do and I was proud of him.”

In place of former starter Peyton Bender, Stanley wasn’t without his mistakes. It only took one play from scrimmage in the second half for momentum to swing the way of K-State, courtesy of a Kansas miscue no less.

The Jayhawks won the pre-game coin toss and chose to defer, which ended up providing them with the chance to start the third quarter on a positive note, perhaps even with a successful touchdown drive to take a lead. However, on the first post-halftime snap, Stanley couldn’t avoid blitzing K-State senior linebacker Jayd Kirby, and Kirby stripped KU’s new starting QB while sacking him. Stanley landed on the turf empty-handed as Kirby recovered the ball underneath him.

Three K-State rushing plays covered 18 yards to the end zone, and after the lost fumble the Wildcats had the game’s first offensive touchdown and a 17-6 advantage less than two minutes into the second half.

Still, Beaty indicated he saw enough positives from Stanley to stick with him as the No. 1 QB moving forward.

“You’re only as good as your next day around here, but I thought he had a pretty good day. I thought he took care of the ball for the most part pretty well. He made good reads, he put the ball in positions to be able to move the chains which was good. I thought he used his legs really well. I thought that he played a pretty smart game, which was what we wanted to see out of him,” Beaty said. “I see no reason why we wouldn’t stay with him this week, but if a guy takes a couple of days off we’re not going to tolerate that obviously. But I know he won’t do that.”

After back-to-back blowout/shutout losses on the road, the KU offense finally looked competent again from the start, with redshirt sophomore Mesa Ribordy back at center and Stanley taking his snaps. Though the offense still failed to reach the end zone in the first two quarters, it at least picked up first downs and got Kansas in field-goal range, a welcome change from the fruitless endeavors that mired beatings at Iowa State and TCU.

After junior defensive end Dorance Armstrong Jr. chased down KSU receiver Pringle on a 28-yard reception to force a fumble and KU safety Tyrone Miller Jr. recovered it, the Jayhawks sent Stanley out on the field for his first start since the 2016 finale at K-State. The offense responded with a 10-play, 73-yard drive, ignited by a 47-yard strike from Stanley to junior Tyler Patrick. The only trouble was once KU reached the 11-yard line back-to-back Stanley incompletions meant the home team had to settle for a 28-yard Gabriel Rui field goal, instead of a more emphatic touchdown.

“Really from the opening drive they were giving us looks that we had practiced and looked at all week on film,” Stanley said. “Obviously wish we had been able to execute, especially myself those first two drives. We weren’t scoring touchdowns on those drives.”

Certainly no one in the KU locker room afterward had much reason to celebrate, despite evidence of offensive progress.

“It’s positive,” Sims said, “but at the same time we want to win at the end of the day. So being close to anybody, that’s just, we don’t want no pity from anyone. We want to win. Being close in a game, that don’t really matter to us.”

KU’s next chance to show growth comes next weekend against the Big 12’s lone winless team, Baylor (0-8, 0-5), at Memorial Stadium.

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David Robinett 4 years, 8 months ago

Folks, if any of you are left, show up for Baylor

Austin Lopez 4 years, 8 months ago

All I have to say for the rest of the season is: Well everyone that's frustrated with the Football program, Please be kind enough to call or email the chancellor of Kansas. Douglas A. Girod, Email: Phone: 785-864-3131. If you care about the Kansas football program voice your concerns.

Stephen Johnson 4 years, 8 months ago

The bottom line is that we don't have the line play to compete with the teams in the B12. When Ribordy returned we were able to move the ball with Stanley extending plays with his feet. If we keep juggling coaches in an out we will never be any good.

Layne Pierce 4 years, 8 months ago

Austin This game asked the question why? Why did Stanley not start earlier, or at least play more? He has the mobility that is essential. We ran just enough, we used the clock, but the question is why did the lightbulb just go off.

Let's see if we can with Stanley providing the mobility and leadership play at least competitively in any of the games left. We might even beat Baylor, but again, if Stanley is the qb earlier, we would have made some progress. This game today was for the taking.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 8 months ago

This game confirmed the time to act on an athletic director is now. The time to act on a football coach is soon.

David Kemp 4 years, 8 months ago

Agree lost to a mediocre team playing its 3rd string qb. Bad decisions, poor execution by special teams and in spite of looking better Stanley completed less than 50%, and was sacked several times, and fumbled deep in our territory costing us a big td.

Stephen Johnson 4 years, 8 months ago

i agree let's stay on this merry-go-round for another 30 years as we continue to swap our coaches and then wonder why our football program has not stability.

Chris Bailey 4 years, 8 months ago

Perhaps we pony up and pay a decent coach to come to KU. Instead of bringing in these 2nd and 3rd tier coaches. This guy is making millions and we aren't seeing the results. Sorry but I can't get behind him if he can't produce and his recruits are bailing so what's the answer???

Gerry Butler 4 years, 8 months ago

So David let's blame all the things you so highly speak of on Carter shall we lol?1st less the 50 % completion - -right - - -how about the multiple - -multiple dropped passes our receives failed to complete the play? - - hmmm. - -2nd Sacked several times, - -that's great - -let's see how about the O-Line and backs picking up the blitzes or holding your block for the QB and give time to run your play? - -how about that? - -3rd - - fumbled deep in our territory? well that's really sweet - -let's see - -how about this what if you trot out on the field and get blindsided by a guy and leveled and how about you hang onto the ball? - -you think you can do that? - -The guy was untouched - -full bore. - Every damn negative you try to worthlessly bring up about Stanley - I can reverse the field - but you have a great day ok and thanks for stopping by

Doug Stahler 4 years, 8 months ago

Stanley played an excellent game. He makes quick decisions and has a quick release. He uses the whole field including the run threat. It makes the KU game fun to watch again.

Adam Engelbrecht 4 years, 8 months ago

  1. What is with all the hyphens? It makes no sense.
  2. You're right. There were multiple dropped passes yesterday. There weren't 50 percent of passes dropped. I'm not saying Stanley should complete 100 percent of his passes, but below 50 percent, even with 5-6 drops is too low.
  3. I don't understand why you're asking David if he can withstand a sack from a K-State linebacker. It makes zero sense. This is what Stanley does. His job is to hold onto the ball, make good decisions, and score points. He does some good things, but if you think Stanley is God's given gift to KU football then you're very, very confused sir.

You make some good points Gerry, but don't get confused about Stanley thinking he is Joe Montana from 1990. Nor do you refute every one of David's points. Just calm down and realize that every aspect, including Stanley, needs to improve for KU to be better.

Humpy Helsel 4 years, 8 months ago

Last year we gave the AD and the head coach a contract extension after we beat a Texas team that had quit playing for their coach. Maybe this year we can give the special teams coach a raise after his punter gets off one for 40. Wow! Coach, you may have to put a bunch of starters on the kick off team. That was so painful to watch yesterday. At times we looked like a D-1 team out there, and at other times we looked like a local high school team. The defense appeared to play their hearts out. Baylor will be the Waterloo for this regime of coaches if we lose to Baylor next week. The pattern of this coach is the same every year. Pick the wrong quarterback starter and stay with him until it is painfully obvious the over-hyped QB can't do it. Now, half way through the season we suddenly discover the real gamer has been on the bench the whole year. Who is the new guy who played QB? Only the guy who showed some promise last year. KU football is one hot mess. Is respectability too much to ask? Maybe so.

David Kemp 4 years, 8 months ago

Let the jury be out on Stanley til we see what happens next week. If he is the answer his stats should improve with less sacks and no giveaways. I want to see plays for him like rolling the pocket etc. but if this game goes poorly I would say we need coaches to fall on the sword.

Chris Bailey 4 years, 8 months ago

The only way they fall on the sword is if they're fired and the Chancellor is the only one who will do that because the AD needs to go as well.

Gerry Butler 4 years, 8 months ago

Your so right Humpy. - - Let's see I am so sick and tired of these QB transfers. - - - Heaps - - - - Crist - - -Now this Bender kid ? - - - STOP. This is BS . - - all we heard was about Bender how wonderful this kid was and he is what we need psssssssssst please. - -I said this so many times before and will AGAIN Bender is an innerception looking for a place to happen. -He has feet that looks like is stuck in a ton of concrete - -no mobility what so ever. - -like you say we wasted last year before changing the QB - -same this year. - -I've been saying WHY is Beaty so damn bull headed about changing his QB - - I mean Bender did nothing game after game after game except INT'S. -I even said to people ok fine you don't think Stanley is the answer? - - -fine but it sure the hell isn't Bender. You don' like Stanley? - -Then it's next man up Starks.who knows what he has got - - - he is sitting on the end of the bench just like Stanley, makes no sense to continue to admit your choice at QB and staying with that QB was and is wrong

Andy Godwin 4 years, 8 months ago

Players still need to make plays to win. This game was frustrating because KSU was not the dominant team expected at the beginning of the year and KU should have (could have, Blah, blah, blah) won. Even though Sims was outstanding and gave KU a chance to win, two of his dropped passes deep in KU territory which resulted in 3 and outs, lead to two scores by KSU: Because the punter and coverage team were so poor and outmatched, respectively. It is clear that the talent level for the entire team is not where it needs to be if you can't find a reliable punter (needed a solid punt at the end of the game to shift field position and he kicks it out of bounds), a player who can kick the ball into the end zone with the wind at his back, and 10 guys who can cover and make tackles on special teams. All of KSU's score were because of a short field. Very frustrating to sit through another way to lose. Thanks to KSU fans nearly outnumbering KU fans it looked like a nice home crowd.

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 8 months ago

It was nice to see KU play competitive, but it didnt save Beaty. It actually shows how incapable he is of making the important decisions, as in choosing a QB. Stanley was always the right decision and that showed this week. So, I don’t give credit to Beaty for KU being competitive, I give it to Stanley.

Whitney Tangeman 4 years, 8 months ago

Totally agree. I'd argue he's actually done this 3 seasons in a row now, if I've got my timelines correct here:

Yr 1 - Cozart (formerly benched by Bowen in 2014) starts season. Willis starts game 5. Willis we see some progress (remember Cozart was really bad in 2015).

Yr 2 - Cozart starts season over Willis (shared reps). Willis starts game 5 & 6 but can't avoid sacks. Willis benched for Cozart re-start in game 7. Cozart benched in game 9 for Stanley who starts rest of season with obvious progress.

Yr 3 - Bender starts over Stanley (possible injury) for season. Stanley starts again in game 8 and we see obvious progress.

Lucas Town 4 years, 8 months ago

From ESPN - This game was more about K-State dealing with injuries and back pedaling than KU making progress.

Unfortunately I agree with this statement. Bowen like last year was able to dial up a defense to slow K-State because the 3rd string QB was never a threat to pass. Delton last year and Thompson this year. The way this game played out and the Baylor game next week, the powers that be at KU will see this as the program moving in the right direction.

David Kemp 4 years, 8 months ago

We will see if ESPN is right when we play OU and OSU. If they are right look for more beat downs of record proportions, if not then Beaty comes out smelling like a rose.

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