Saturday, October 7, 2017

Jayhawks dropped by Texas Tech, 65-19

Kansas running back Khalil Herbert (10) is stopped short of a first down by Texas Tech linebacker Dakota Allen (40) and another Red Raider player during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 7, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas running back Khalil Herbert (10) is stopped short of a first down by Texas Tech linebacker Dakota Allen (40) and another Red Raider player during the first quarter on Saturday, Oct. 7, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.


Coming out of its bye week, the Kansas football team endured the same problems that it had prior to Saturday’s 65-19 loss to Texas Tech at Memorial Stadium.

Once again, the Jayhawks struggled with turnovers and couldn’t climb out of a mountain of a first-half hole. The Red Raiders (3-1, 1-1 Big 12) scored on their first three drives for a quick 21-0 lead and KU never recovered.

Peyton Bender and Carter Stanley split time at quarterback, the first extensive game time for Stanley this season. Bender completed 12-of-24 passes for 146 yards, one touchdown and one interception. Stanley, who played the entire second half, was 11 of 19 for 110 yards, one lost fumble and one interception.

Even the Kansas running game, which was so effective in a loss against West Virginia two weeks ago, didn’t have much success against Tech’s defense. Khalil Herbert ran for 65 yards on 10 attempts, while Taylor Martin had 32 yards on 14 carries.

Defensively, the Jayhawks (1-4, 0-2 Big 12) created a strong pass rush with three sacks and forced two turnovers. But it wasn’t enough to hold off Tech’s offense, which scored 30 unanswered points to end the game.

Tech quarterback Nic Shimonek completed 19 of 24 passes for 233 yards, two touchdowns and one interception. Running back Justin Stockton added 161 yards and one score, and Desmond Nisby scored four touchdowns on 93 rushing yards.

Here’s a quick look back at some of the action:

The game turned when: At the beginning of the second half, KU’s offense scored nine unanswered points with a field goal and a two-yard touchdown run from Taylor Martin. After Dorance Armstrong forced and recovered a fumble, the Jayhawks were hoping to cut into their 35-19 deficit.

Two plays into the ensuing drive, Chase Harrell caught a four-yard pass, fumbled when he was hit and the ball was returned to the end zone by Texas Tech linebacker Justus Parker, giving the Red Raiders a 23-point advantage. KU’s offense didn’t score again for the remainder of the afternoon.

Offensive highlight: Following punts on its first three drives, the Jayhawks received great field position at the end of the first half after Khalil Herbert partially blocked a punt.

Trailing by three touchdowns, Bender dropped back on 3rd-and-10 from the 18-yard line and tossed a fade pass to his right. Senior receiver Jeremiah Booker out jumped the defensive cornerback, kept his back foot inbounds and held onto possession with his right arm while he fell backward onto the turf for a touchdown.

Defensive highlight: After recording three sacks in the first four games, the Jayhawks doubled their total with three sacks against Texas Tech’s offensive line. Dorance Armstrong, Josh Ehambe and Daniel Wise each took down TTU quarterback Shimonek once, forcing punts on all three of those drives.

Key stat: Points off turnovers. Following the bye week, the Jayhawks placed a lot of emphasis on winning the turnover battle. The defense did its part, creating a pair of turnovers, but KU’s offense could only turn them into three points. Mike Lee grabbed an interception and Armstrong forced a fumble and recovered it in one motion.

On the other side of the field, Texas Tech punished the Jayhawks for each turnover, scoring 23 points off of KU’s four turnovers. Bender and Stanley both threw interceptions. Stanley fumbled on a backward pass and Harrell had a fumble that was returned for a score.

Up next: Kansas will head on the road for the second time this season, traveling to play Iowa State at 11 a.m. Saturday at Jack Trice Stadium. KU will attempt to end a 42-game road losing streak, which dates back to 2009.



11:43— Justin Stockton 13 run. Michael Barden kick. Nine-play drive for 75 yards, in 3:17. (TT 7, KU 0.)

8:34 — Desmond Nisby 47 run. Barden kick. Three-play drive for 55 yards, in 0:50. (TT 14, KU 0.)

4:59 — Quan Shorts 37 pass from Nic Shimonek. Barden kick. Three-play drive for 58 yards, in 1:05. (TT 21, KU 0.)

0:19 — Jeremiah Booker 18 pass from Peyton Bender. Gabriel Rui kick. Six-play drive for 28 yards, in 1:53. (TT 21, KU 7.)


13:06 — Nisby 8 run. Barden kick. Three-play drive for 21 yards, in 0:38. (TT 28, KU 7.)

5:16 — Nisby 1 run. Barden kick. Nine-play drive for 53 yards, in 3:25. (TT 35, KU 7).

0:14 — Rui 21 field goal. Five-play drive for 42 yards, in 0:31. (TT 35, KU 10.)


11:07 — Rui 41 field goal. Ten-play drive for 42 yards, in 3:53. (TT 35, KU 13.)

5:49 — Taylor Martin 2 run. Cole Moos run failed. Seven-play drive for 74 yards, in 2:39. (TT 35, KU 19.)

3:44 — Justus Parker 20 fumble recovery. Barden kick. (TT 42, KU 19.)

1:30 — Keke Coutee 40 pass from Shimonek. Matthew Cluck kick failed. Two-play drive for 60 yards, in 0:20. (TT 48, KU 19.)


12:23 — Nisby 15 run. Cluck kick. Five-play drive for 58 yards, in 2:00. (TT 55, KU 19.)

8:37 — Cluck 26 field goal. Five-play drive for 13 yards, in 2:41. (TT 58, KU 19.)

3:52 —Derrick Willies 32 pass from McLane Carter. Cluck kick. Seven-play driver 68 yards, in 3:13. (TT 65, KU 19.)

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More news and notes from Kansas vs. Texas Tech


Michael Maris 4 years, 8 months ago

Is Dave Doeren and his wife ready to move back closer to their respective parent's and childhood neighborhood?

Bryce Landon 4 years, 8 months ago

Dave Doeren's NIU Huskies lost to Turner Gill's Jayhawks. Do we really think a coach who lost to one of our worst coaches ever can turn around our program?

Michael Maris 4 years, 8 months ago

If my memory serves me correctly, the game was won in the last few seconds of the game (with Jordan Webb getting a late score to put Kansas ahead). So, it's not like Dave Doeren's led NIU Huskies were blown out of the game (by any means). NIU won 11 games that season. So, I think considering the circumstances, Dave Doeren did just fine at NIU (in 2011 Season). And, he's built a program at NC State (now as well). The Wolfpack have 3 more games left in their division (this season). And more than likely will win 2 of those 3. Their record is currently 5-1 and ranked in the Top 25 (in both polls). Clemson is their one big divisional game left. Then, they play Notre Dame, Pittsburg & North Carolina as well. So, they should win 4 of their remaining 6 games. And, if they some how are able to beat Notre Dame (and Clemson's QB isn't healthy enough to finish the season), then N.C. State may be the ACC Atlantic Divisional Representative in 2017. So, I say that Dave Doeren is doing just fine at N.C. State. And, he did just fine in his NIU tenure as well (records was 23-4 in 2 seasons, and went 1-0 in Bowl games. He didn't coach NIU in the Orange Bowl loss to Florida State, as he had already accepted the N.C. State job). So, if the powers that be decided to make a change in the HC category, I'm game with Dave Doeren being the #1 candidate. Not saying that's going to happen. But, I'm game for it. I think that even Kevin Kane would be a candidate to be brought back to be the new DC as well).

Adam Engelbrecht 4 years, 8 months ago

"Progress" "Improvement" "Process"

Yeah, right...

Brian Wilson 4 years, 8 months ago

You people floor me. Firing Beatty is another death sentence to KU. Beatty needs two more years. He is still over 10 schollies short on the field. He has only had two years with his recruits....the sophomore class and the freshman classes have about 20 true scholarship players. We have given left over schollies to a bunch of walkons and we have try to fill holes with JC transfers. ....not many players on the team has more than two years knowledge of the program or playbook. Once you have Seniors with 4 years in the program then you can complain. If you want to fire Zenger....then go ahead...but leave Beatty alone...especially when we have a new recruiter hopefully bringing in a bunch of talent from Louisiana.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 8 months ago

The game turned when? Are you kidding me? It was over at 21-0 in the first quarter. Come on guys, get serious.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 8 months ago

guess that bye week did not help our prep much.

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 8 months ago

Let's play a game. Suppose that due to Zenger's huge buyout these are the only two options. Which do people prefer?

  1. Beaty is fired at the end of the year, but Zenger is the one who hires his replacement.

  2. Beaty gets one more year, but someone other than Zenger chooses the replacement.

Merrill Reese 4 years, 8 months ago

Shouldn't even be allowed to vote unless you say #2. Zenger is the one who has to go. NOW!!!

Larry Jackson 4 years, 8 months ago

I'll go with option 2, the lesser inept evil.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 8 months ago

I'll one-up you with my own game.

Would we be better off playing out the contracts of Zenger and Beaty or, what if we took a two-year hiatus in football. Tore down the old stadium, built a new one and started over? Which path would have us in a better place in 5 years?

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 8 months ago

Rebuilding from a starting point of 39 or however many players Beaty inherited is obviously hard enough. Starting over from 0 would be absurd. But I'd support dropping down to FCS and playing at Haskell for 2 years while they build a new stadium.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 8 months ago

Or why not take a permanent hiatus from football, depart the Big 12, and go independent in basketball the way Notre Dame goes independent in football?

Barry Weiss 4 years, 8 months ago

I'd submit Option 3. They both get

Barry Weiss 4 years, 8 months ago

the game turned in the second half.....lololololololo! It turned after that first Tech drive that cut through our D like a hot knife through table butter. Some things never change.

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 8 months ago

I predicted 60-24... and that was worst case scenario. Boy was I wrong.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 8 months ago

well, we held them 3 points under what their basketball team scored.

Michael Maris 4 years, 8 months ago

It's clearly time for Bowen to do his Alma Mater a favor, and resign from the football coaching position. His defensive play calling is horrendous.

He's been back at Kansas now for since 2012 season. The Defensive Backfield should NOT have to be recruiting Juco DB's every year to replace the exiting DB's. There should be a steady stream of 4th and 5th year DB's in the pipeline by now (since Bowen has been back in town for 5 years now).

Bryce Landon 4 years, 8 months ago

How is it that Kansas had two weeks to get ready for this game and lost by an even larger margin today than against West Virginia the last time out? I wasn't expecting to win, but I was hoping that with two weeks to prepare, KU might stay within two touchdowns. What are the coaches and players actually doing with their time when they're supposed to be practicing?

Meanwhile, Iowa State goes down to Norman and shocks the Sooners. Matt Campbell is making way more progress with the downtrodden Cyclones in 1-1/2 seasons than David Beaty has made in 2-1/2 seasons.

Yeah, I know, I know, Charlie Weis left Beaty nothing to work with, uh-huh, yeah, yeah. Going 0-12 in 2015 was understandable. You could have put Nick Saban or Bill Bellicheck in charge of the 2015 Jayhawks, and they still would have gone 0-12. But now we're in Year 3 of what's supposed to be a rebuild. We should have been 3-9 last year and should have been able to go 4-8 this year. Progress is not being made.

Whether I continue to be a Kansas football fan hinges on the Baylor game. Lose to Baylor, and I'm done with Kansas football. I am rapidly getting to the point where I don't care anymore. I know we're going to lose, and the margin of defeat doesn't shock or anger me anymore the way it did during the Turner Gill era.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 8 months ago

I have to give a lot of credit to ISU, but not just for an amazing win in Norman. They just do smarter things. Look at their last two football hires. Rhodes failed, but he didn't decimate the program. So, ISU hires a proven winner in Matt Campbell.

Zenger, on the other hand, hires a caricature followed by the head yell leader. We are bad at football because the people running the football program are bad at their jobs. How much simpler can it get?

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 8 months ago

ISU does deserve a lot of credit. Their hires, facilities, recruiting strategy, etc have kept their floor much higher than ours. But I think hiring MAC coaches is a crapshoot. Campbell's predecessor at Toledo (Tim Beckman) was also very successful there, but he was a disaster at Illinois. And we all remember Turner Gill, though in fairness he probably wouldn't have been considered a proven winner.

Doug Cramer 4 years, 8 months ago

Beaty didn't fire Bowen. Now he is jacking with Quarterbacks. To me this is like capitulation of his own job.

Let Bender develop within the system, and be loyal to the guy.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 8 months ago

Like he was loyal to Ryan Willis or Carter Stanley? He recruited Stanley. And he made excuses for why Willis the Warrior wasn't a good fit. Though Bender isn't quite as good as Willis.

Beaty has no authority to hire or fire anyone after running through three OC's in three years and about one hundred quarterbacks. It's a sh*t show. You and many others keep trying to put out a forest fire by throwing buckets of water on it.

Larry Jackson 4 years, 8 months ago

No! Bender is NOT a QB at this level. He should not have been there in the first place. Stanley is the one who should have been developing ALL these wasted games. Bullheaded Beaty is in the exact bullheaded situation as last year! And we are stuck with Beaty's bullheadedness for a while.

Jack Brooks 4 years, 8 months ago

Clint Bowen's defense is now giving up an average of 564 yards and 52 points per game. Send him packing!

Adam Engelbrecht 4 years, 8 months ago

I saw multiple times today where guys didn't even try to tackle, but rather just kinda fell down in front of runners. It was shocking to see, even from KUfball.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 8 months ago

Would the stats show this is our worst defense since the Fighting Mangino's era? Did Gill or Weiss have this poor of a defense in any of their years? We are not even competitive. Its really sad.

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 8 months ago

We've actually had some semi-competent defenses in the post-Mangino era. Which means, like, 75th in the country, but still. It has generally been the offense and special teams that have taken us from bad to atrociously bad.

Larry Jackson 4 years, 8 months ago

TX Tech got bored with celebrating touchdowns after a while today. Their expectation was to torch that atrocious defense every time they touched the ball.

Michael Leiker 4 years, 8 months ago

I keel checking back...still not fired. Unreal

Randy Bombardier 4 years, 8 months ago

Fire Zenger, demote Bowen. This K-state AD has done nothing good for KU football. Am I the only suspicious person here?

Bryce Landon 4 years, 8 months ago

Conspiracy Theory Time: What if Dr. Zenger is part of a vast purple conspiracy to keep KU football down in the dumps? sarcasm font

Michael Maris 4 years, 8 months ago

"Beaty said they were looking for a fast start and didn't get that"

No $h☆t Dick Tracy. It's been this way pretty much your entire tenure.

Charlie Gaughn 4 years, 8 months ago

In the 48 years I've been attending KU football games, today was the all time low. It started with the incredibly slow pace of the Rock Chalk chant and went down hill from there. I was particularly disgusted with the drowning out of the band by the noise pollution blaring out of the big TV.

We heard all week how the team had used the bye week to work on fundamentals. Wow, good thing we didn't have two weeks off! It was glaringly apparent, all too late for this season, that we've been playing the wrong quarterback. I have heard that Stanley was hurt earlier this year so maybe this was out of necessity.

Bowen has got to go and go quickly. Zenger should be shown the door at the same time. If this were a floundering corporation and you brought in a CEO to right the ship, would it really be acceptable to have these kinds of results after six years? Forget the silly stadium renovation project. It will just look that much worse to have 15 thousand fans in a fancy new stadium.

Lastly, lose the white helmets and all of the other non-traditional gear. This team needs focus. While changing uniforms every week seems harmless, its a sign of how inconsistent the program is.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 8 months ago

hahahaha...that is rich! I hope this time, just at least one time, he put some blame on himself and the coaches for not getting the players ready. He has not done that once this year. Even the announcers on that first Tech drive said the KU defense looked very confused, disorganized.

Gordy Hoffman 4 years, 8 months ago

I believe the chancellor will fire the AD and the coach at the end of the season, no matter what he has said in the past. With the right people, we could be rolling very quickly and back in business. It's not KU, it's the people we've hired to run the football team!

Larry Jackson 4 years, 8 months ago

Here WE all are once again pining away anticipating the start of b-ball season... The more things change, the worse the f-ball team gets. How bad can one team be? You'd think they'd eventually hit rock bottom. But NO every week this team some how finds a new low. Thank you Zenger, & Beaty the cheerleader.

David Kemp 4 years, 8 months ago

Yes I don’t think we have yet found He bottom. Listen to Beatty pressor and you here the ramblings of a coach who needs to look at films to answer a ?. I don’t think you need films to answer this one.

David Kemp 4 years, 8 months ago

Well we accomplished nothing Beatty said we needed to do, 1) overcome slow start, 2) don’t turn the ball over 3) win special teams HOW we can’t block, we can’t tackle, we have no fundamentals no football players at this level can possibly be this bad but they are. Beatty is so far over his head he obviously has no clue what to do. Time to say bye bye

Bryce Landon 4 years, 8 months ago

Kansas will head on the road for the second time this season, traveling to play Iowa State at 11 a.m. Saturday at Jack Trice Stadium. KU will attempt to end a 42-game road losing streak, which dates back to 2009.

Considering we'll be up against a Cyclones team that is going to be brimming with confidence after stunning the Sooners in Norman, how well do you think that attempt to end the road losing streak is going to go?

Iowa State 70, Kansas 13

Doug Cramer 4 years, 8 months ago

Bring back Mangino before it's too late.

Bob Forer 4 years, 8 months ago

Why do you people bother with this team. They are historically bad. Find another diversion.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 8 months ago

That's a fair question.

For a long time I thought that people who didn't support the football team were just bandwagoneers who loved KU bball simply because it was easy.

I'm seriously thinking about not renewing next year. In five years, Zenger has done more damage to this program than Art Briles did to Baylor. And, on this site, you'll read comments saying "just give him time". Maybe it is time. Time to move on.

Larry Jackson 4 years, 8 months ago

But I remember watching Pepper Rodger's 1968 Orange Bowl team come ever so close to winning a National Championship. That team was on the verge, the cusp, the door step man.Then they remembered they were KU and lost. Ok, perhaps you're absolutely correct.

Richard Duran 4 years, 8 months ago

It is heartbreaking to me that our football team is this bad. Zenger has to go. Charlie Wiess was a huge mistake considering all the head coaching talent out there. What the hell was he thinking hiring a guy who couldn't win at NOTRE DAME!?!?!?!? Weiss couldn't recruit, couldn't develop players and had long been passed by by the college game. Remember Samson Faifili? He destroyed our program and we are still paying him. Turner gil was a mistake but we could have corrected it by hiring anyone but Weiss. Dave Doeren, Matt Campbell, Justin fuente, any body! Clearly Beatty and his staff are in over their heads. Who thought this was a good hire? I was optimistic, i mean with 65 scholarship players who could succeed, but when an Ohio team coached by a Nebraska guy passes the ball that well against us, well patience runs short. Why can't we recruit a good QB? I watched IOWA ST. beat OU with a 3rd stringer today. I've seen true freshman at other schools succeed. Why can't we find someone? Why in God's name did they play musical QBs today? that does no one any good. If Stanley doesn't start next week Beatty and his entire staff should be shown the door. This is just embarrassing. This is Bob Valesente bad. This is Terry Allen bad. How on Earth are they gonna raise $300 million Zenger has to go NOW. The Big 12 is gonna kick us out, we'll be playing Alabama in November for the $$$ like NM St. then Hall Of Famer Bill Self will be playing in the American Athletic Conference taking on the likes of Cincinnati and Butler.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 8 months ago

Terry Allen was never this bad. He never did worse than 3-8 and actually managed to hit the 5-win mark in two different seasons. I would gladly take Terry Allen over what we have now.

Jim Keen 4 years, 8 months ago

Thanks Richard. What a gut-wrenching thought... "Hall Of Famer Bill Self will be playing in the American Athletic Conference taking on the likes of Cincinnati and Butler." Very hard to imagine kids wanting to come to play basketball at KANSAS in the American Athletic Conference. Very sobering! Ugh!

David Kemp 4 years, 8 months ago

In terry allens last year he played on thanksgiving weekend in front of what I think was the smallest crowd in history of ku, weather played a factor. Beatty and co may challenge that without weather!

Austin Lopez 4 years, 8 months ago

I am so disappointed in the Kansas football program! From the coaching staff all the way to the players. We have coaches who can't coach, and players that don't know the basics of football. Football is a business and right now the CEO of this business sucks!

Austin Lopez 4 years, 8 months ago

Who hires a WR coach as there head coach 😂😂😂

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