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Tuesday, March 31, 2015

Self visits Thorne’s parents; former Charlotte player to visit May 1

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KU coach Bill Self visited the parents of former Charlotte center Mike Thorne Jr. on Monday in Fayetteville, North Carolina. Self met with Thorne, a 6-11, 270-pound junior, last Thursday.

Thorne will visit KU on May 1 and Illinois on April 17 according to kansas.247sports.com.

Thorne, who averaged 10.1 points and 7.3 rebounds a game last season, is considering a transfer to KU, Pitt, Illinois, Marquette, West Virginia, Xavier, Arizona, Virginia Tech, Minnesota and others.

Self on Monday also visited Dennis Smith Jr., a 6-2 junior point guard from Trinity Christian in Fayetteville, North Carolina, which happens to be the alma mater of Thorne.

Comments

Reggie Flenory 7 years, 6 months ago

I applaud Bill Self for going after Dennis Smith a top-ranked Carolina kid but it's going to be hard as hell to pull him off toBacco Road in Duke and North Carolina's backyard. And where would you play him if you land him behind selden maybe? Its wishful thinking but maaaaaaaan this kid is filthy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DfEX5... As far as Thorne averaging 10 and 7 sounds better than what Hunter or Lucas produce on a consistent basis which means 1 of them would Hunter would probley transfer.

Dirk Medema 7 years, 6 months ago

Pretty nasty moves. If he cocks the ball back behind his head at the next level tho, I've got a feeling that more than 1 defender is going to snatch the ball away from him before he can dunk it.

Did they show much of an outside shot for him? That would be good for keeping D's honest.

Vernon Riggs 7 years, 6 months ago

Hunter can't transfer. He only has one year of eligibility. And, since he transferred from Arkansas to Kansas already, he doesn't qualify under the Grad Transfer rule. And Landon would be crazy to give up a two years of playing just to have one year someplace else. There are NO players transferring out of Kansas this year other than Conner.

Freddie Garza 7 years, 6 months ago

I would caution you all from getting over excited based on a highlight video. If there's one thing I've learned over the years, it's that you can make a one legged man with cerebral palsy look like Kobe Bryant if you catch him on film at the right time.

Reggie Flenory 7 years, 6 months ago

Freddie I actually seen this kid Dennis play in a tournament out here in los Angeles the kid has skills, quickness can get his own shot and I love Frank Mason and Devonte Graham but who was the last point guard that was a top 10 recruit at Kansas I can't think of one I know we are not going to land this kid because of that very fact and the fact that he is from Carolina most recruiting sites have him committing to either Duke or North Carolina but maybe bill can pull something off

Shane Johnston 7 years, 6 months ago

We've had some darn good point guards over the years, Reggie. Don't assume players like Jacque Vaughn, Aaron Miles, and Russell Robinson needed to be a "top 10" point guard to run our team successfully.

With all due respect, fans don't know where these kids are going until that decision has been made. When starters at schools like UNLV (Rashad Vaughn) and LSU (Jordan Mickey) unexpectedly leave, recruits have every right to re-evaluate their fit at those schools. Sure, kids want minutes, but they also want to go where they can get exposure, be developed, play big games and have a chance to win. There's elite programs like Louisville with a lot of minutes available for new players, and then there's coaching changes and middle of the road schools whose level success is tied closely to the decisions of one or two players. Kansas can checks a lot of boxes for a lot of players, and there's a lot more certainty around our program than there is for others.

Kit Duncan 7 years, 6 months ago

The article says Smith is a junior, so it would be another year before he shows. Doubtful Mickelson or Lucas would transfer, both have spent a year in redshirt (for different reasons).

Tony Bandle 7 years, 6 months ago

I agree with Kit [great first name by the way].

We need help in the middle NOW!!! Even a OAD seven footer would be an improvement. Then Landon can be a good backup post and Jamari can go back to his natural position, havoc-wreaking forward!!!

Zeik Montellioso 7 years, 6 months ago

Correction:

"Jamari can go back to his natural position: on the bench".

Don Burgundy 7 years, 6 months ago

So this is what it has come to. Starting the season off by getting obliterated by UK and ending it by losing in a rather convincing fashion to a WSU team who then proceeded to get blasted by Notre Dame. Now we are chasing after a guy who averaged "ok" numbers at a school who hasn't sniffed an NCAA tournament in years. Sigh.

Don Burgundy 7 years, 6 months ago

Tarik went to Memphis, a school who has been in the tournament rather consistently.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 5 months ago

Memphis has been in the NCAA consistently? LMAO

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Not really. It ended in the Round of 32.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 5 months ago

So even w/Wiggins and at least two other NBA players we get bounced in the round of 32?

Sounds a lot like Rick Barnes. NBA Rookie of the Year but gets nowhere. Not something I would brag about.

Don Burgundy 7 years, 6 months ago

Ok Brett and Chris, please tell me who you would've rather had on your team : Tarik Black, who for half of the season, was a foul magnet and Kevin Young who was extremely undersized. Or Caleb Tarwhateverhisnameis from Zona and Stephen Zimmerman?

Jay Scott 7 years, 6 months ago

For one season? Tarik. KY isn't a valid comparison. He played with Withey.

Christopher Hauser 7 years, 6 months ago

Withey averaged six minutes a game the season prior to 11-12. The sky was falling talk was just the same then when we got Young. Tell me again how he is not relevant to the unknown discussion again?

Jay Scott 7 years, 6 months ago

Chris, he didn't play the same position. Your comparison makes no sense at all.

Christopher Hauser 7 years, 6 months ago

Position has nothing to do with it. I am talking about people's perception of pulling in athletes with less pub and fanfare. That has nothing to do with position. My name is Christopher by the way.

Christopher Hauser 7 years, 6 months ago

Kevin Young played a vital role on a team that went 32-7 and played for a NC. The sky was falling then too. I am just as critical as the next but sometimes the high profile guy is not always what is best to fill a role.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 5 months ago

You live up to your alias quite well. Ridiculous comparison. Black did well enough to earn a one year NBA contract.

Caleb wanted nothing to do w/KU, As great as conference play is, it's the NCAA most people care about.

Zeik Montellioso 7 years, 6 months ago

I was sooo glad when he (Kevin Young) left. He tried hard, but despite all the talk about him being another coach on the floor, he simply didn't have it, and was another exploitable weak link.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 5 months ago

The more you talk the more ignorant you sound.

Lance Hobson 7 years, 5 months ago

Kevin Young nearly won us a title. The guy was a winner.

Rodney Crain 7 years, 6 months ago

So this is news to you Don?

No other team ranked in the top 40 has just one recruit for next year. In the top 100 Div. 1 schools the only school to have zero is MI, who are at their limit, but trying to get Brown still.

We have been chasing recruiting for the last 3 years, late to the party, playing the odds that we get a few players, settling for someone, not who we wanted. In Fact last year we had an open scholarship that we ended up giving to Manning for a year. The last two seasons we have waited till the last few days to get players. It is has been unsettling to say the least watching almost every other school get 2,3 4 players and we can barely get 1.

I just do not understand why a program who can choose who they want, has to wait to get their second recruit this late in the process.

So yes it has come to this, hoping for a average graduate transfer to band aid our roster, again, for another year. Something is broken.

It does not make sense to me.

Benz Junque 7 years, 6 months ago

What on earth are you talking about? Kansas barely has any scholarships available and the players they are in on are all waiting to see what the rosters look like after the NBA Draft declarations. This is by far the largest group of guys that has waited this long so it's just a weird year. It is not a reflection on Kansas as a destination as you seem to be trying to paint it.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 5 months ago

We have at least 3 unless we run someone else off...

Rodney Crain 7 years, 6 months ago

Benz you obviously do not understand my point.

No other team in the top 40 have just one player. We are late again this year like the last 2 in getting players. Its a fact, it not an observation.

It is frustrating to be scrambling looking for players, any player, this late in the process for the thrid year in a row! We are not the lead school with the remaining 6 players who has us still on their list.

We have Mannings "open" again scholarship, KO is gone, Cliff will not be returning. We can add two more easy on top of Bragg.

Even if we had zero open scholarships if a quality guy wanted to come here, something would be done, like it always has, here and at other schools to find a spot for him.

If we are done, or only going to have room for 1 more, we are in serious trouble for next year.

We should never be in trouble with recruiting.

Something is not like it was before. We are not choosing players, we are settling to fill out our roster again. Sometimes is works out very well, but we are living on borrowed time this year.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 5 months ago

Benz very rarely gets the point. We missed on EVERY recruit except this final group who only care about jockeying their playing time to improve their OAD status.

Not one of these kids have anything on their mind but the NBA draft in 2016.

Rodney Crain 7 years, 6 months ago

From Brian on another thread - KU has 11 scholarship players. Bragg will make 12. KU still has one to give. Should Oubre go Pro and Alexander be declared ineligible and leave, KU will have 3 to give without any defections.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Something is broken, and it's the head coach. He's lost his mojo. He's allowing Kansas to stagnate like Rick Barnes allowed Texas to stagnate. The sooner we make a coaching change, the sooner we can restore our reputation among the great powers of college basketball.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 5 months ago

I call it "diminishing returns" on the players he now recruits. What did NBA Rookie of the Year Wiggins do for Kansas? Not nearly as much as Travis Releford, Sasha Kuan, Darnell Jackson and countless other players who came here to play Jayhawk basketball.. Not to be here only as a springboard to the NBA.

Self is giving Barnes a run for wasting so much talent.

Michael Bratisax 7 years, 5 months ago

Wouldn't mind veterans Andrew White and Connor Frankamp still being on the team. Guess they knew that with the move away from building teams to assembling teams that they would do better elsewhere.

We can still be the second best team in Kansas next year!

Joseph Bullock 7 years, 6 months ago

Then Maker and Jaylen Brown! Just saying!

Glen Miller 7 years, 6 months ago

No thank you to Maker.... that dude has red flag on top of his red flags. He will either be suspended at some point or never see the floor from everything I am reading.

Michael Bennett 7 years, 6 months ago

This guy might be the best/most likely 6'11" option available. Even on the off chance Self does land Zimmerman, bigs take time to develop. Thorne is stronger and going to know how to handle himself better as a senior. If he can pass and has any kind of chemistry with Perry it could greatly help Perry's effectiveness. Unfortunately at least one of the upperclassman bigs would be kept out of the rotation as a result.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 6 months ago

Why unfortunately? If Lucas or Mickelson were that good to begin with, Self wouldn't need to be looking at transfer bigs to begin with.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 5 months ago

Are you always stupid? Must be that Atlanta air. Lucas has already given this team more than Embiid or Alexander. Having more options doesn't mean the ones you have aren't good... Duh

Harlan Hobbs 7 years, 6 months ago

Rodney & Don,

I think that Bill Self's record in recruiting stands on its own. You don't like late signees but more and more of them are waiting late to see who leaves early. It worked out OK for guys like Darrel Arthur, the Morris twins, and Andrew Wiggins just to name a few.

I'll continue to take your comments with a grain of salt until KU loses a Big 12 regular season championship. Wise up!

Rodney Crain 7 years, 6 months ago

Compliancy from you, wish I could say I was surprised.

Why Harlan is no other program ranked in the top 40 waiting for their second signee? NO other program has less than 2.

Walter Bridges 7 years, 5 months ago

LMAO at Wiggins. Great player who only cared about his 2014 draft status. I'll take the 3-4 yr players EVERY time.

Gerry Butler 7 years, 6 months ago

well Benz we do have sufficient nu that will be available. We had 1 left from last year, then Connor transferred BUT Carlton took that, so still at 1, BUT you know, and I know or should Alexander is done at Ku he will never see the floor again for us as a college player, so that would make 2 and then Pretty confident that Kelly will declare for the NBA whether he is ready or not so there is 3, so I think 3 available is barely any to give have a tendency to agree with Rodney some seems like the last couple of years its been later, and later for recruits to sign with us, but then again noticing a trend where these kids seem to be taking longer soaking up the attention kinda like hey look at me dragging things out. I think we all realize there is no snowballs chance in hell we are landing Zimmerman that's either Arizona or UNLV, now with the hiring of Mullen at St Johns and the ISU assistant going to St Johns that was the lead recruiter on Diallo not near as confident about him, and Maker who knows heard we were the favorite for quite awhile but now hearing Kentucky so might be Thorne is the option don't think the approach of continual winning the Big 12 is the approach we want this staff to take we have bigger goals then that I would hope and not just be content for continued Big 12 Championships if that's the case then hell we are for sure ok with what we have now ROCK CHALK ALL DAY BABY

John Boyle 7 years, 6 months ago

Gerry, Please more punctuation so your ramblings are easier to read. Your last sentence was 132 words long with two commas. Very difficult to read and follow. Stop one thought with a period. Then start the next thought. Not trying to be overly critical just wanting to be able to enjoy your posts more.

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 6 months ago

A lot of "boo hooing" going on here. Pull your britches up KU fans.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Back-to-back Round of 32 losses bring that out in us.

Fire Bill Self!

Tyler Capone 7 years, 6 months ago

I reallly want a combo or Mike Thorne, Jaylen Brown and/or Brandon Ingram

Glen Miller 7 years, 6 months ago

I want Jaylen Brown and Zimmerman..... but Zimm is likely staying out West. I'll take Diallo if we can't have Zimm.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Great, Mike Thorne is going to play his senior year at Kansas only to have it end badly when Self gets outsmarted in the Round of 32 again.

Fire Bill Self!

Shannon Gustafson 7 years, 6 months ago

I watched the McD AA scrimmage today, I wasn't impressed with Zimmerman. He played like Myles Turner did at Texas...wandered around between 15'-20' from the basket, rarely went inside the paint, even to rebound, when we caught it in the paint, he almost always passed out of it. He only had a handful of points/rebounds.

Diallo on the other hand was a beast. He had something like 16 points and 8 rebounds, 4 dunks, a block, and was running full speed up and down the court (high motor) and the announcers were saying he's got the highest motor in the whole class. They also listed him at 6'11" so he may have grown. THAT is the type of guy we need!

We'll see how they both do in the actual McD game soon, though that has to be taken with a grain of salt (Cliff was great in it last year).

I wish there was a way to block people on here. Bryce would be blocked by me immediately.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Of course I would, because I don't tow the party line and kiss Bill Self's ass like you and most of the people on these boards.

If you're content to win the Big 12 every year - a conference that is more heavily invested in football than basketball, by the way - and get clowned by Missouri Valley schools in the first weekend of the tournament, then Bill Self is the man for you. But if you want Final Fours on a regular basis like what Tom Izzo does at Michigan State, or if you want to win national titles more than once a generation, then we need a change in the head coach. The way the program is trending, we won't sniff another Final Four again as long as Self is allowed to run the show. Under his watch the KU program will stagnate just like Texas did in Rick Barnes' last seven years. Kansas deserves better. We can do better, we should do better.

Shannon Gustafson 7 years, 6 months ago

I wouldn't suggest accusing me of something I have NEVER done on here. I don't comment about Bill Self's coaching abilities at all because I'm not qualified to do so (though I have coached ball in the past).

We've discussed this in other articles at length. There are NO coaches with a better tournament resume than Self that would leave their current position. Many people think Coach K at Duke is so great but he's got a worse record in the Tourney the last 10 years than Bill Self, as well as more losses in the 1st or 2nd game of the tourney. Perception isn't always the same as reality.

You know what the biggest factor is in getting beat by teams with a higher numerical seed than you (something people complain about with Self)? Being a 1 or 2 seed. If you're a 1 or 2 seed nearly every year, if you don't win the NC, you will most likely get beat by a team with a higher seed number.

Izzo said on ESPN yesterday that the reason he's had so many 3-7 seed teams make successful runs in the tournament is because they lose games they shouldn't lose during the regular season and therefore are a worse seed than they would be had they played up to their talent level throughout the season. Then he said the benefit to that is that the kids understand how much better they need to play to make a run since how they played all year wasn't good enough to consistently win. This year's team is no different, they lost a ton of OT games or close games where they missed FT's down the stretch.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Dead serious. We won't sniff another Final Four or national title again so long as the program is run by an underachiever like Bill Self. Five years from now the program will be as stagnant as Texas became under Rick Barnes.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Right, because I want to be a fan of a program who considers beating the Jayhawks their national championship.

Moron.

Gerry Butler 7 years, 6 months ago

Bryce. Love your humor man, you make me laugh. but on a serious note anybody that is anybody already knows your a fricken idiot. Have a great day.

Bryce Landon 7 years, 6 months ago

Why? Because I think for myself? Because I don't two the party line? Because I'm not content with conference titles? Because I don't blindly follow the crowd like you do? Who's the idiot here?

Harlan Hobbs 7 years, 6 months ago

Bryce, it must be pretty lonely there in your own world. Can't you find something more productive to do?

Lance Hobson 7 years, 5 months ago

Bryce, who would you even hire? Self is the best there is.

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