Monday, November 28, 2011

KU men’s basketball facing tough nonconference slate

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson puts a shot over Duke forward Ryan Kelly during the second half on Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2011 at the Lahaina Civic Center.

Kansas forward Thomas Robinson puts a shot over Duke forward Ryan Kelly during the second half on Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2011 at the Lahaina Civic Center.


Kansas University’s men’s basketball team, which has defeated Georgetown, UCLA and Towson, and lost to Kentucky and Duke so far this season, currently has played the eighth-toughest schedule in the country, according to Jeff Sagarin.

The nonconference slate resumes on Wednesday when the Jayhawks meet (3-4) Florida Atlantic at 7 p.m., in Allen Fieldhouse. The Owls have lost to Washington, South Florida, Portland and American and defeated Lynn, George Mason and Hofstra.

In its other game this week, KU plays host to (5-2) South Florida on Saturday in a game with a strange starting time of 4:15 p.m.

KU, on Tuesday, Dec. 6 plays host to (3-2) Long Beach State — a squad that shocked Pitt on the road (86-76) and also has defeated Idaho and Boise State and lost to San Diego State and Montana. The 49ers play at Louisville on Monday night.

Ohio State (6-0), which boasts All-America candidate Jared Sullinger, travels to KU on Dec. 10. The Jayhawks also play (4-1) Davidson on Dec. 19 in Sprint Center and travel to (3-4) USC on Dec. 22 to complete the pre-Christmas portion of the schedule. Davidson recently lost to Duke, 82-69, in Durham, N.C.

“You should try to schedule based on your team that is returning a little bit and we don’t have a lot of experience returning,” KU coach Bill Self said. “(But) how can you pass up the opportunity to play in the Champions Classic (versus Kentucky this year and Michigan State and Duke in successive years)? How can you pass up Maui and a home-and-home with Ohio State? We are returning the USC game and the other games are tough — the Davidsons and Long Beach States. Those are the ones that make your schedule so tough. South Florida and the others ... it’s good. It’s the best schedule we’ve had since we’ve been here.”

It’s fun for the players, that’s for sure.

“It’s the toughest schedule we’ve had since I’ve been here,” noted junior forward Thomas Robinson. “The best players and best teams bring out the best in everybody. If you want to be the best you have to take on the best,” Robinson added.

After Christmas, the nonconference slate concludes with games against Howard (Dec. 29) and North Dakota (New Year’s Eve) in Allen. KU’s conference opener will be at home against Kansas State on Jan. 4.


jayhawker_97 10 years, 5 months ago

this tough schedule is good for our program. it's really exciting to watch our team play their hearts out each & every game. which fans wouldn't enjoy that? most of all, hopefully, the boys will get better and better.

rock chalk!

Ashwin Rao 10 years, 5 months ago

When we go into Final Four, hopefully we will get to meet some of them again! :)

Jackalope7 10 years, 5 months ago

We should've had this schedule last year. Would've made us better and toughier when we made a run at the championship.

sevenyearhawk 10 years, 5 months ago

What would make these players and program stronger would be visits to some mid-major (Missouri Valley, etc.) arenas ...

The NCAA tourney track record in that regard speaks for itself.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

This team needs EJ, Travis and Conner to resume shooting the trey.

These guys can shoot.

We need to take 15 tpg (treys per game) for the next 3 games to get our shooters back to a comfortable place and get our offence balanced.

Pulling our horns in on trey shooting was one of the drivers of our loss to Duke.

Robert Brock 10 years, 5 months ago

Duke crowded our perimeter and didn't give our guys room to hoist shots.

Self4Prez 10 years, 5 months ago

I couldn't disagree more, jaybate. While hitting more threes will never hurt, I'm fairly certain that it was TT's unprecedented irresponsibility that led to our demise against Puke.

Michael Luby 10 years, 5 months ago

Oh guys come on, there were a few factors that led us to lose to Duke. TT's giveaways didnt help at all, true. Neither did our poor shooting from 3 pt land. IMHO one of the biggest causes down the stretch was the officials NOT calling the game right. I mean for cryin out loud Curry travelled two times and got away with it! Duke as a team got away with more calls that should have gone the other way which also caused us to lose. Its over, the players have to be ready for the next series of games. Im thinking they will destroy Ohio State at home in a couple weeks.

brooksmd 10 years, 5 months ago

Obviously the poor 3 pt shooting was Brady's fault. He shouldn't even be playing D1 ball. Ooops, sorry. Just so used to hihawk and jhawkinnebr dissing on Brady. But consider if just 4 of TT's turnovers resulted in points for us vs points for Duke, what the outcome might have been.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 5 months ago

Even though we lost to Duke, it was a fun game to watch, with regard to being a competitive game. Jayhawks will learn from that. Looking forward to the Ohio State game, for sure.

Alohahawk 10 years, 5 months ago

This team should never look past their next opponent. Look what just happened to U. Conn. Lost one and almost a second in overtime. One at a time, Hawks.

But, yes. The Jayhawk Nation is highly anticipating the Ohio State game, four games down the road. And despite playing them at home, I doubt Long Beach State is going to be a cakewalk. (Loved it when KU held Long Beach State to 7 or 8 points in the first half my freshman year.)

I think this year's Jayhawks are going to give me high blood pressure. Hope HCBS can keep his down, because he's going to have a bunch of close games.

FSUJHAWK 10 years, 5 months ago

I'd want to agree with you on this but HCBS pulled the reigns on the three horses because they couldnt jump over the pond. Maybe it was their reflection in the water or maybe it was the fear that the Loch Ness Monster was lurking and waiting in the event they couldn't make the jump. If the games were not so high profile perhaps the order desist wouldnt have made it out of the General's mouth.

With that said, our rebounding needs to improve if we are to shoot more threes. We also need better post feeding and a viable third big man. The rest will fall into place.


FSUJHAWK 10 years, 5 months ago

Opps, the above was meant to be a response to the J-Man.


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Ann Oneill 10 years, 5 months ago

WTF? Please take your meds and QUIT POSTING!

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago


Let me guess. You are one of those folks that drives by a shooting and wishes the perp and victim hadn't made such a mess.

A human being just doing his job gets run out of town on a rail, as if this were the 1930s, albeit with a fat pay off from some alums with so much inflated stock market float money that $6M is chump change, and you are talking about taste?

Don't you care?

Don't you get it?

Now that these administrators know they can run a guy like Gill, whenever they need to take focus off themselves, by raising a few bailout inflated mil and engaging in psy-ops lite through the media, Self and KU basketball coaches are next.

All it will take is a couple weak seasons, or a bad season and a couple more early exits, and some grumbling alums will pass the word to the Chancellor and AD, and, they might say something like, "See'ya Bill, take your check and don't let the door hit ya on the way out! Oh, and thanks for the 84% W&L statement and ring, but we've got another sucker in a career wreck we can hire for half what you make. Screw The Legacy. Bye bye!"

Don't you see what's wrong here at all?

Fat cats spending bailout money we and our children have to pay off the principle and interest on, just got a guy fired, because they didn't like the cut of his jib, or its color, or whatever.

And now what kind of unprincipled whore coach to do think such fat cats will try to dictate BGL and Sheahon hire?

Well, let's see, the story's alleged top candidate is Mike Leach.

Defense rests.

There is an old rule in bureaucracy. Every bad fire is followed immediately by an even worse hire. Get ready, cuz here it comes.

And of course Leach is probably floated first, to make everyone breath a sigh of relief when they hire some only slightly less dubious guy the fat cats have told them to hire.

Didn't Turner really get fired, because they reputedly have to produce a 75-80k stadium with luxury suites on both sides, and, well, the major money bag that is going to underwrite the front money (which he will get handsomely plugged out of downstream), wants not only his own cousin doing the contracting work, but also wants to pick his own football coach?

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

This wan't really about two hapless seasons, was it?

This was about getting ready to do some ox goring at the public trough, wasn't it?

And when Self has a couple down seasons, which all coaches eventually have, what kind of unprincipled whore coach will these fat cats replace Self with?

I don't care about football.

The game creates loss of brain function later in life, as surely as ciggies cause cancer when you finally try to enjoy retirement. Football ought to be outlawed, but so long as College Sports, Inc makes a ton of money off he game, and can cost shift the head traumas and late life loss of brain function off onto the rest of our insurance premiums, well, of course they are going to keep fielding teams. It ought to be called HeadInjuryball, not football.

They could hire Lady Ga Ga for head coach for all I care. At least she would guaranty a sell out every game the first season, while the new stadium is being worked out.

I care about Turner Gill as a human being and as a professional football coach, who probably would have been competitive next year, and then have fielded a good team sometime in year 4-6, as is the case with most rebuilds.

I care about the way he got fired.

I care about why he got fired (note: because we don't really know I have ventured some hypothetical speculation as to why).

But I care also about the blow back into basketball that this seems likely to create--a precedent and recipe for sacrificing honest coaches that may not want to go along with fancy future shenanigans.

If you want to fire any coach at KU, or any AD (and remember this Sheahon, because you could be next, if BGL feels a need to manage heat and clear wake further--you were a second choice and second choices rarely last in bureaucracies), set up a media strategy, start an internet feeding frenzy, shake (don't stir), and then when the guy has been pecked nearly to death, publicly degraded into a boob who is supposed to take his check and shut up ilke a good little man, you fire him on the forecasted day of the talking points, then flood the public's frenzied mind with a bunch of bogus coaching candidates and, voila, they are distracted from having to deal with what has in fact been done.

This makes Fox News seem like Edward R. Murrow reporting live from the Blitz in London.

This seems like an online media course from Rupert Murdoch College of Journalism and Political Eavesdropping.

Enough with the taste already.

Rock Chalk!

Ann Oneill 10 years, 5 months ago

Get a clue. Nobody wants to read the crap you write, especially when it's not remotely related to this basketball article.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

Get a clue. Only iDolts try to tell others what to write. That went out with the run up to Iraq and Mission Accomplished. Think more about your impotence with words and less about futilely trying to change someone that doesn't care what you think...even a little. :-)

Jack Wilson 10 years, 5 months ago

I always like to hear racial conspiracies. Don't get me wrong. Mainly because it's easy to defeat those claiming racism with simple facts. One of the most interesting "facts" in workplace situations is claiming racism against the same employer that actually hired the person of the race at issue, in the first place. But that's not the point

Here, you didn't even mention race. Probably because race didn't have anything to do with the firing. We can infer that because the chancellor is black.

But anytime you say the word "lynching", that infers race as an issue. And it is strong word. A word that inflames. Suggesting by inference a comparison to a black man being hung from a tree in the old South. That's what you're saying by using that term.

I note you did not mention it as an "ilynching" when referring to Mangino .. calling it "itreatment."

"itreatment" would have been the better choice here. Unless you have some basis to claim racism in the dismissal. If that's the case, please expand on that thought.

It is this sort of stuff, at all levels, whether it be in a classroom, workplace, street corner, etc. .. the inference of race as some underlying reason for someone's actions .. with no real support .. that inflames emotions and perpetuates the myth that all, or a majority, or even a large minority, of blacks problems as a group relate at all in 2011 to racism. It does provide the all encompassing "crutch" for explaining away all failure, or crime, or anything else that would cause others to look internally.

The use of the term draws attention away from your real point. On your topic, inserting "itreatment" for "ilynching", I would say you have a completely compelling and arguable point.

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eastTXjayhawk 10 years, 5 months ago

am i missing something, did turner gill set the basketball teams' nonconference schedule?

Tony Bandle 10 years, 5 months ago

Even though the remaining non-con schedule is rated difficult, the only team I see us truly having a chance to lose to is Ohio State.

I fully expect Kansas to go into league play, at least, at 10-3. with a 14-4 league total, 2-1 in the Big 12 tourney and 2-1 and the Sweet 16 in NCAA totalling 28-9....

....pretty good for a reload year with a short bench and only two seniors in the top rotation!!!!!.


Steve Brown 10 years, 5 months ago

9-4. 14-4 1-1 3-1 (TT turnover and 4 fouls on TRob early to keep us from 4-1)


Kevin Huffman 10 years, 5 months ago

OakvilleJHawk...What 4 games do you see us losing? At Mizzou, OSU, Baylor & A&M?

Tony Bandle 10 years, 5 months ago

I agree with at Mizzou and at Baylor, but I was thinking at Texas and at Kansas State. Iowa State could also be a trap game

Anyway, out of the nine away league games, we will go 5-4, more because of what we don't do to win in the losses versus what our opponent does do to beat us..

beebe1 10 years, 5 months ago

Jaybate --you analyze BB with great skill. But you are ineffective at football. It was obvious last year about the third game that coaching was no good. Recruit he can do. Defense was miserable, and apparently Gil didn't know the difference. He would be good help in recruiting -- too bad he has to give that up as well!

actorman 10 years, 5 months ago

You are kidding, right? Giving up a 50-yard pass with under 20 seconds left in a half, to a receiver who's wide open, doesn't give you a clue that the coaching sucks?

Continuously having to call timeouts because we can't get the play in in time doesn't tell you that the coaching sucks?

Consistently having penalties immediately after coming back from those timeouts doesn't tell you that the coaching sucks?

Finishing dead last in the country in yardage and points given up, and 95th in offense, doesn't tell you that the coaching sucks?

Please, give me a break!

Tim Orel 10 years, 5 months ago

I kept seeing the disorganization and failures, especially coming out of halftime where the coaches should have been able to coach to what the opponent was doing. The other teams always made adjustments but KU wasn't able to come out and be competitive (I'm not saying win, just be competitive) in the 3rd quarter and quite often would lose the game in that quarter alone. Gill and his staff (Torbush was really unfortunate, but I don't blame all the defensive problems on his being ill) were just not ready for the BCS.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 5 months ago

As I have posted many times, Turner Gill wasn't the recruiter that most people thought he was. Year 1) He was able to keep Mangino's Recruiting class (Successful) Year 2) He had nearly 30 scholarships landed two 4-Star recruits, and some good 3-Star recruits. His class was in the top 35 and as usual about 2-3 of the recruits ended up ineglible. However, the problem was that 2 of his highest rated recruits didn't see practice time. He was able to promise playing time as most new coaches do. Overall a pretty good job of recruiting. Year 3) He had only 15 scholarships available, of which he has only 7 commits. He had two other recruits who had decommitted. Of the 7 no 4-stars, and one of them is a 2-star. He has 1 QB, 1 TE, 1 OG, and 1 DE. There were 3 athletes. Keep in mind only one defensive player. (Really bad).

His recruiting was going in the same direction as his coaching, steep downhill.

Ben Simonett 10 years, 5 months ago

“You should try to schedule based on your team that is returning a little bit and we don’t have a lot of experience returning,”

You got to believe Self was expecting to have the Morii on the roster when he put together this years schedule

Jack Wilson 10 years, 5 months ago

Jaybate -- You've done been censored! I'm still trying to figure out what you said that led to removal of your posts? Perhaps it was that strong word I was referring to. But still, as a somewhat tepid lover of the 1st amendment, I am confused.

I hereby petition to the editorial board to re-print his post, and his response to my reply .. you know, where he compared me to .. well .. I'll let that go. I may disagree with what he says, but I'll defend his right to say it .. or something like that. Channeling my inner Voltaire (or whoever said that).

Steve Gantz 10 years, 5 months ago

My only regret is I always check these things to read the thing that got censored.

REHawk 10 years, 5 months ago

LJW, at least leave in print the name of the poster who got deleted. Am I to understand that jaybate got the ax for crossing the line in a tirade? I can accept deletions based on inappropriate language; but if ideas and opinions are judged to be too flagrant in presentation, then LJW has a Delete Nazi working overtime. (Oops! A social malpropism?) (In spirit of Soup Nazi) Ralster, I like your thumbs idea.

REHawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Regarding this season's nonconference schedule, there is little doubt that Bill Self arranged it without envisioning the NBA defections and the eligibility glitches regarding recruits. Regardless, I like the schedule, and think it will benefit our current players immensely as the team approaches league competition. I see us going 10-3 14-4 (13-5, at worst) 1-1 3-1

                  28-9 (27-10, at worst)
         League crown, perhaps shared.

SaulGood 10 years, 5 months ago

As before, just happy to see that my earlier statements align with Thomas Robinson's quote about playing the best. As to HCBS, you don't lose your job losing games against Duke and Kentucky. Any good coach would agree that your losses teach you more. Tyshawn, get the quibs out now and get ready to head up this team. I can hardly wait to see the new guys develop! Rock Chalk!

Tim Orel 10 years, 5 months ago

So where do we go to find out who has the toughest schedule?

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