Saturday, November 26, 2011

Kansas returns from Islands


Kansas University basketball notebook. ...

The Jayhawks’ return charter flight from Maui flew through the night and wee hours of the morning and landed at Topeka’s Forbes Field at 9 a.m. Friday. The players were able to sleep in their own beds Friday afternoon prior to a 7 p.m. workout in KU’s practice facility adjacent to Allen Fieldhouse.

Coach Bill Self awarded his players, who went 2-1 in Maui, some free time Wednesday night after the championship game against Duke and again Thursday. Prior to departure, the coaches and players feasted on a Thanksgiving Day buffet Thursday afternoon at Hard Rock Cafe in downtown Lahaina.

KU (3-2) will meet Florida Atlantic (3-3) at 7 p.m. Wednesday in Allen Fieldhouse.

Bad call in final?: ESPN analyst Jay Bilas, who worked the games in Maui, agrees with hordes of KU fans who felt Duke’s Seth Curry should have been called for traveling on the key possession of the Blue Devils’ 68-61 title victory on Wednesday night at Lahaina Civic Center.

Curry passed the basketball from up top to Tyler Thornton, who heaved in an acrobatic three from the corner with :20 left. That three gave Duke a 66-61 lead.

“On the decisive play of the Duke-Kansas final, Seth Curry did not travel, he traveled twice. The officials simply missed it,” Bilas wrote on

“The contrast in the crowd when Tyler Thornton hit his circus shot was priceless. The Cameron side was jumping around in utter disbelief and joy, and the Phog side was jumping up and down giving the universal signal for traveling. It was bedlam, and it was a really cool scene,” Bilas added.

It appeared the 2,400-seat arena was split in half with fans of both schools in the gym ... and loud.

“To me, Cameron and the Phog are the two best basketball venues on the planet, and it was pretty cool to have them both represented in the same building and such a cozy atmosphere. All that was missing were the students,” Bilas wrote in his piece.

More from Bilas on KU: The Jayhawks’ lack of a deep roster continues to be a major story line early this season. Bilas took notice that just five Jayhawks — Tyshawn Taylor (17), Thomas Robinson (16), Jeff Withey (14), Elijah Johnson (10) and Travis Releford (4) — scored versus Duke.

“Kansas has played as difficult a schedule as anyone in the country thus far. Bill Self has seen his team grow, and the Jayhawks are going to be good. But Kansas does not have quality depth right now, and can only rely upon five players to score,” Bilas wrote at “When Jamari Traylor and Ben McLemore were declared ineligible by the NCAA, that really hurt KU’s depth. Still, the Jayhawks are very good, and will continue to get better. The margin for error, however, is slim. Kansas cannot have injuries or foul trouble.”

Of Duke, Bilas noted: “Mike Krzyzewski was as happy as I have ever seen him after the Kansas win. It shows how much winning still matters to him, and also how big of a game this was. Coach K has done it all, but for his team, this was the first and only Maui Invitational they would play in. He seems to really value seeing that experience through his players’ eyes, and there is a freshness to his approach. His team is better than I thought it would be, and it has been tested.”

Next edition of tourney: Here’s the field for the 2012 Maui Invitational: North Carolina, Texas, Marquette, Illinois, USC, Butler, Mississippi State and host Chaminade.


Brianna Zaleski 10 years, 5 months ago

Its nice to see Bilas (a Duke grad) be so unbiased in his take on the end of that game. He always takes an objective view of things even when it involves his alma mater. One of the many reasons I value his perspective and think he is one of the elite college bball analysts going today I know there are a lot of people who hate Duke on general principle. And I do get irritated from time to time w/ all the adulation they get (seemingly non-stop) from the media outlets. But when it comes to their bball team, they are all class. Never one time did you see one of their guys trying to show up our team or make it about them personally. They were out there competeing hard to win just like our guys. And it starts w/ Coach K. He had nothing but praise for our team at the end of that game and right after, he called it like it was, lucky. He said that kid (Thorton) had no business making that shot and that it was pure luck. Which it was... What a stark contrast to the squad from Lexington. They are ALL me first and it starts at the top there as well. Cal is a self-promoter and worries about himself over anything else. And it shows thru his players.

flyingfinn 10 years, 5 months ago

I totally agree and was very refreshing to see 2 clean, storied basketball programs with 2 great coaches compete at a VERY high level. Wish we could have won, but if you have to lose, lose to a classy coach and program.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 5 months ago

Yeah, Bilas deserves an honoray degree from KU!

UmbertoConforti 10 years, 5 months ago

Bilas and Rafferty are currently the two best analysts. Fran Fraschilla, or something like that, is excellent but seems to be stationed in the studio this year.

Dyrk Dugan 10 years, 5 months ago

Bilas said that on the broadcast as well...that he traveled twice. so it's not like it was reviewed later and then he wrote about it. Bilas is gaining a good reputation as a straight shooter...telling it like it is.

hawk316 10 years, 5 months ago

Bilas is the man! My favorite color analyst for college basketball.

Steve Gantz 10 years, 5 months ago

The team came home from Hawaii. Big news! Great comments about Bilas. I just wish he'd also acknowledged that TT's last turnover was actually a foul on the Duke kid. We were twice robbed from the opportunity to win that game, not saying we would have won, but it sure would have been fun to see the players on both sides decide it.

WilburNether 10 years, 5 months ago

I have always said that if you want to beat Duke, you'd better be 11 points better than they are, because in the course of a game, NCAA refs will give them 10.

It happens over and over and over again.

Steve Gantz 10 years, 5 months ago

Sadly I learned this my first year on campus, 1986. Duke wasn't really even a household basketball name at the time. 28 fouls against KU, 14 against Duke. We lost by 3 or 4.

hawksterkc 10 years, 5 months ago

If I remember correctly, Cedric Hunter fouled out for the first the very first time in that game as I think most of the starters did as well. We still had a chance until Archie Marshall got hurt. That game was what started my distaste for Duke and where I learned that the officials gave every close call to Duke. Duke was known to win games at the free throw line at least that was not the case for this game.

refugee 10 years, 5 months ago

Does anyone know where the boys are going next year for a tournament? Is it Atlantis?

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

"On Jay Doing Things the Right Way and Common Cause"

Jay Bilas does it the right way. He may single handedly save broadcasting from what I call it's Dickie-ization. Good for Jay.

I respect him for his loyalty to his school and his coach. But I respect him much more for his professionalism in simply reporting as accurately as he can what he sees, and seeing quite a lot.

Bilas is becoming the Walter Cronkite of hoops broadcasting.

In a business where broadcastitution is the rule, Bilas stands out like Venus in a whore house.

Because of him alone, I might reconsider my low and declining opinion of Consonants.

Not every Consonants protege from Duke is like Jeff Capel.

No KU fan expects Bilas to like KU better than Duke. No one asks him to say Duke should not have won the game, or that their win hinged on a bad call. KU fans know bad calls often decide hotly contested games. KU fans know better than any one that great coaches sometimes get the breaks in calls, because we have had more great coaches at KU than any other two schools combined.

All we ask is that an announcer aknowledge the bad calls.

We don't ask for any quarter or give any. We take the bad calls that favor us as happily as Duke does.

But for Jay Bilas to say what happened clearly, but without apology, that is all we ask, and all we expect of any announcer.

jayhawker97 10 years, 5 months ago

excuse me, but Dickie is freaking annoying to most of us to begin with. i'd never see any Dickie-ization ever happen, anyway.

REHawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Legends game, vs. Duke in Atlantis, isn't it?

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

Atlantis? As in the mythical under water civilization? LOL

Sorry bro. I let it go the first time. Atlanta is what you're searching for I do believe. At the Georgia Dome. Also that's not really our tournament (as you had stated earlier), just that Champions Classic. I haven't heard anything regarding additional tournaments as of yet, but still hope we get one more tough non-con tourney scheduled.

On a related note...what ever happened to the Great Alaskan Shootout? Did it just fold? If so, too bad. I liked KU going up there every few years.

Steve Gantz 10 years, 5 months ago

After a few years it became a bunch of teams that KU has made a semi-regular habit of losing to in the tourney, i.e. no one is staying up til 1 AM to watch Bradley-Bucknell in the championship game of a tournament.

eastTXjayhawk 10 years, 5 months ago

I do believe they are referring to the Battle 4 Atlantis (the less than mythical resort in the Bahamas) tournament that both UConn and FSU lost in yesterday (and are playing each other today.)

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

I hope some day, if Bilas is allowed to keep speaking frankly in an industry that tends not to reward it, that KU recognize his valuable commitment to the game and honor him with an honorary place in KUs basketball hall of fame. Such recognition would make concrete our repect for him, and let future broadcasters know that the truth is still marketable and still the enduring competitive standard for excellence in sports journalism despite the flood tide of hackery that Bilas floats on.

To make a friend of an enemy is as good as vanquishing him.

You have taken a huge step in building a bond of friendship with KU.

And it is quite alright that doing so helps further divide KU from UNC, thus undermining Dukes real opponent--Baja KU aka UNC.

Strategy is at the heart of all alliance.

One cannot help but notice that Duke and KU and Florida are fielding team's with significantly less talent than UNC and UK. One cannot help but wonder, if KU, Duke and Florida are some how holding the line on recruiting

Self will be recruiting down south against Roy and UNC and against Duke, just as you folks are coming north. Duke and KU making common cause can only help both in the competition for talent against UNC.

You helping us with PR doe not threaten your coach's pre-eminence as the game's current master and it paves the way for Self's rightful advantaged, thereby sparing Duke a period of replacing your soon to retire coach, with Roy being viewed as the unchallenged master.

A wise lawyer and broadcaster sets emotion aside, when there are bigger fish to fry.

So too does the father of all basketball programs.

So: KU and Duke will increasingly make common cause at UNC's expense, if our coaches and fans permit.

And both KU and Duke will benefit.

Rock Chalk!

Go, Jay, go!

Alohahawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Mahalo for the headsup on White, jsatt. White does seem to have a good head on his shoulders, and is willing to put in the extra effort which coaches (and fans) appreciate. Put him alongside Ellis and McLemore and they'd make a very good triple threat out on the wings for a couple of years. (ie. See each of the three as at least 2 years, or more. Not OAD's.) Let's hope he decides to become a Jayhawk.

Kye Clark 10 years, 5 months ago

As happy as I was to see us playing Duke for the championship, I really wished we could have played Michigan and/or Memphis. Not at the expense of a loss to get into the losers bracket, but just wish the bracket would have been set up differently. For all the talk about this being the best group of teams ever in Maui, we played a Georgetown team that, while good, is in a bit of rebuilding mode, and UCLA which is garbage. I know it's nitpicking and I am very pleased with the difficulty of our non-conference schedule.

The other bummer for me is that we're getting this great schedule in a down year. And when I say a down year, I don't mean a rebuilding year. I would love this schedule even more in a rebuilding year (or in a year where we are loaded with talent and have NC aspirations). But this isn't a rebuilding year. We're not young. Inexperienced, but not young. To me, this is a bridge year. A year bridging the deep, talented teams from years past to next year when we truly start rebuilding with younger talent. I'm hoping Self can land Andrew White to add to next year's class.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

"Self's Accelerated Introduction of Offense, Consonants' Apparent Resort to Tactical Cheap Shotting, and the If/When Question about Whether/How Self Might Introduce Tactical Cheap Shotting into the Arsenal of this Year's KU Team?"

(Note: to ease readers minds at the outset, I am talking about appearances to yours truly, not facts. I am not accusing anyone of anything for I have no insider knowledge. I am just talking about appearances and what they might suggest in terms of possible strategies and tactics. Any of the comments that follow about the coaches actions are based entirely on inferences about appearances. They are not assertions of fact about how the coaches actually think, or actually act. A fan watching TV cannot know such things for a fact. He can only watch the appearances that the camera angles and editing allow. Cameras show us nothing at all about what coaches and players actually think. The do not in fact show us th reality of the game itself, either. They show us an edited appearance of what went on. So: this fans observations are necessarily about appearances and not about reality and ought be read as such. Few are apt to agree with me on what follows, in part because the subject matter is unseemly and what I contemplate could as easily not exist, as exist. But sometimes ya gotta do what ya gotta do.)

Once the cupcakes start coming, Self will likely add Kevin Young back into to the mix, expand Justin's minutes, and give Conner two games to shoot poorly in so he can shoot back to his average without costing the team a W.

IMHO, Self has coached this season nearly perfectly so far.

His only "partial failure" came not surprisingly against Coach Consonants, who has about double the experience Self has and more depth to make moves with.

I call it a partial failure, because KU would almost certainly have won the Duke game had it shot an average trey shooting percentage, which probably would have encouraged it to take another 4-5 treys and that would have ensured a win.

Heck, KU probably would have won, if the ref had called Seth Curry for traveling, not once, but twice, as Jay Bilas graciously noted.

Self appeared to start the Duke game perfectly. He rightly anticipated the Consonants would appear to heavily bait the refs the first five minutes and Consonants appeared to do just that.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

So: Self appeared to jump in with as much ref baiting vigor and contrived anger as he could apparently muster to counter the old master. And counter him Self appeared to the game lead into the 5 minute mark in the first half.

And KU's superior defense and greater length inside and out caused KU to start to build a slim lead. But it was during this period of KU lead-building that the old master, Coach Consonants, appeared to be waiting for the right moment to undermine KU momentum with what appeared to be a dose of, shall we say, tactical cheap shotting.

The old master appeared to play a fiddle of mayhem in a minor key with perfect timing.

While Duke's trey shooting stayed 40% plus, the old master appeared to delay the cheap shotting.

But when Duke went cold and KU had the momentum to begin to separate, Consonants appeared to--with two minutes of apparent cheap shotting--from around the 12 to 14 minute mark in first half--some how communicate--in a way unapparent to this viewer--to Duke players that it was apparently time to do a little cheap shotting lite.

If what appeared to me to occur, actually did occur, it was a rather muted form of cheap shotting. There appeared to be no attempts to injure an opposing player, as sometimes seems intended with cheap shotting.

Rather what seemed to occur was a sudden sharp increase in fouling involving pushing, shoving on rebounding away from the ball, essentially flagrant elbowing of the head and shoulders on ball and off ball, and occasional trips.

After that, KU lost its rhythm, its trey shooting went ice cold, and Duke got its touch back a bit from outside. As a result, KU went into half time without separation that would have raised victory in the second half to a strong probability.

Self appeared to get "out coached" by Consonants during that brief stretch...if you will allow the appearance of tactical cheap shotting aimed at breaking up another team's rhythm to exemplify "out coaching."

As I had forecasted before the game, Self has a young team, and he has been trying to squeeze out a couple of wins early by implementing a ton of offense much sooner than he ordinarily does with a team. Self succeeded in getting three wins out of 5, and almost stole one from Duke. Hurray for Coach Self!

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

But the vulnerability he appeared to create by this approach was that he probably did not spend time on training the team to counter what appeared to be Duke's tactical cheap shotting.

Versus Duke, offensively speaking, Self sent them in with a canon to a gun fight; that's why KU did so well. Duke appeared to stick pretty much with their basic sets. KU appeared to run all manner of stuff, until fatigue and pressure lead KU to to break down in the second half.

But in terms of XTReme tactics, Duke appeared to bring the gun of well disciplined cheap shotting lite, while KU brought no cheap shotting weapons at all.

Perhaps this is not surprising. Duke last season appeared to openly practice cheap shotting against a cupcake that I watched before a big non conference game.

IMHO, Consonants has appeared to make clear that in the age of XTReme Muscle his teams are going to cheap shot as counter tactic.

Cheap shotting appears to be a tactic Duke team execute with such discipline as to suggest that they may be trained in it.

Call if dirty tricks for disruption, if in fact reality were found to conform with appearance.

Self has appeared slow to utilize cheap shotting.

Last season was really KU's first season where it appeared to use cheap shotting, and Self delayed its implementation until at least this time of the season, and that was with a team with considerable depth and experience.

It appears to take some depth to cheap shot, because invariably some cheap shotting gets called for the fouls that they are.

It also appears to take some experience, so you don't accidentally trigger some unwanted levels of mayhem in retaliations that harm you more than help you.

This year, Self lacks experience and depth.

So Self apparently decided to tell his guys to expect the cheap shotting, be men, endure it, and know that it would only go on for one to two minute stretches, until the stretch, when it would occur whenever Duke got behind by 3 or more.

Duke was never behind by 3-4 down the stretch, so Consonants appeared not to resort to it down the stretch. Consonants and his players appear to be highly disciplined and tactical in their cheap shotting.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

Given that Self apparently had the Twins running around forearm banging guys in the head in open court at times last season, and won 30+ games making use of such cheap shotting from time to time, it seems at least possible that Self is waiting for a stretch of soft regular season games to begin the teaching and implementation of cheap shotting to this young team with little experience or depth.

If I imagine myself in Coach Self's position, I know my starters need a good month to learn to play as a unit at a D1 level, especially if I am force feeding them a lot more offense a lot earlier than usual in order to survive the grueling early schedule.

In the big games, I imagine I use my reserves as sparingly as possible to keep from blowing their confidence, and keep from blowing what small chance we have for a W against the top teams early.

December's cupcake games are the time to spike the minutes of Justin and KY and Conner and get the entire team practiced in the art of tactical cheap shotting.

Cheap shotting well would seem to take about as much work and practice as any other aspect of the game, if one were trying to use it systematically. It would take "reps." It would take doing it really badly a few times to get to where you can do it effectively.

Remember what a lousy job of cheap shotting the Twins appeared to do early last season? It wasn't until mid season, or even a bit later, that they appeared to really achieve some competence at cheap shotting, again, if appearances conform at all to reality.

What some persons overlook, IMHO, is that tactical cheap shotting could have a corrosive blow back on guys that have played for years "the right way."

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

Recent military medical research indicates that Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, which may be even more rampant among regime change war veterans than Vietnam war veterans, supposedly comes less from the observed horrors of war, and physical peril of near death events, than from the individual's sustained internal moral dissonance between how he was raised to act and how the military and war tactics and strategy compel him to act.

The distillate of this IMHO is: if you recruit good young men to play it the right way, and then, say, oh by the way, against certain teams, we are going to cheap shot tactically, it may, or may not not come easily to them, but there is a significant chance that it may have undesirable emotional consequences down stream.

In other words, you make get the benefit of the tactical cheap shotting, but you also get a cost of complexity in players' responses downstream, maybe during the season, maybe after a career, but often no problem at all.

Given Consonants reputed military background and apparent approach to the game, it appears possible that he might undersand better than most that tactical cheap shotting would require extensive training of players, not just in technique, but in terms of indoctrination about moral justification for such acts, in order to avoid unforeseen down stream consequences. Or maybe not. Who knows? Again, this is all speculation on appearances, not on facts.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

This begs a question in me, anyway: might such training explain why Duke's wholesome looking players look so happy and self-righteous and self-confident, as they appear to tactical cheap shot from time to time?

What if Consonants has drilled his players technically and indoctrinated his players morally that the enemy other is evil, because it plays XTReme Muscle Ball, or some equivalent undesirable form of ball, and the righteous we must resort to breaking the moral rules of the game occasionally both to defeat the evil other, and to show that goodness will not be intimidated by evil?

Historically, good has justified quite a bit of evil, when it comes to vanquishing an evil other.

If any of the above were to conform to the reality of the situation, Self apparently could unlikely afford to develop cheap shotting and rapid implementation of offensive complexity simultaneously with a young, thin, inexperienced team.

And Self would perhaps not want to overwhelm his very inexperienced subs and possibly blow their confidence by exposure to superior talent and tactical cheap shotting so early.

Again if any of this speculation were to conform to reality, the time to teach and practice and implement counter-cheap shotting tactics might come when he had some low intensity conflicts (i.e., games against cupcakes) to practice it extensively during.

I hope reality and my speculations do not conform.

Basketball is too beautiful of a game to surrender to be surrendered to systematic rule breaking.

But in this apparent age of XTReme Muscle and tactical cheap shotting, sooner or later it would seem likely that a coach will begin to teach a team how to wield a gun at a gun fight, instead of just being tough and enduring the gun fighting with a knife.

Not to do so would appear to be to grant opponents a rather large edge, if that opponent partook in tactical cheep shotting, wouldn't it?

But you never know about Self.

While he appeared to show some tactical cheap shotting last December, maybe even into January, he pretty much appeared to abstain from such tactics the rest of the way.

Self appears to coach on a different plane than most coaches and on a different plane than most of us fans can readily grasp.

He appears to have been one of the first coaches to openly turn his back on trying to set tempo, and on trying to dictate how the game will be played, at least in my recollection.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

His predisposition in dealing with something like tactical cheap shotting, were it to be going on, would, based on appearances, likely be to see if cheap shotting unintentionally gives his team something else to exploit.

And if cheap shotting does give up something else, then Self would appear to be the type to prefer to take that something else and tell his players to endure the cheap shotting without retaliation, and without systematic counter-cheap shotting.

On the other hand, Self also appears to believe in being able to play it anyway they want. Slow. Fast. Rough, soft. Flank. Attrition. Transition, or grind.

Last year appeared to be Self's first attempt to include tactical cheap shotting in KU's arsenal of being able to play it any way someone wants. And it appeared to come on the heels of Coach Consonants appearing to win a ring in significant part by appearing to resort to tactical cheap shotting vs. Butler a couple years ago.

Assuming last year was prologue, one might expect for Self to appear to introduce weapon of counter cheap shotting to prove this KU team can play that way, while he also appears to pursue exploitation of the weakness that cheap shotting perhaps creates.

I watched closely last year and this and confess I cannot figure out what it is that an opponent might give up, other than the moral high ground.

Maybe the moral high ground matters in basketball, as it appears to matter in wars between nations at times.

Consonants appears to have demonstrated that at times, anyway, tactical cheap shotting can win a ring and win a lot of games, and counter teams trying to XTReme Muscle his Duke teams.

But I suspect Self, the master motivator, sees some kind of weakness being created in a team's psyche, when it resorts to tactical cheap shotting, or some kind of simple defensive vulnerabilities being created. Or something.

And so I would expect, if reality were to conform with past appearances, Self might appear to show KU can counter cheap shot, but actually that Self would appear to prefer to exploit the vulnerability that the opponent's cheap shotting creates. Perhaps refs on some level can be biased in his favor, if he needles them about the opponent's cheap shotting, while his players do not.

I just don't know.

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

But Self appears willing on the one hand to appear to use tactical cheap shotting to disrupt a team's rhythm just as Consonants appears willing to do, but then Self seems also very intent on exploiting a vulnerability that I cannot pin point in teams that appear to tactical cheap shot.

All of this would not even occur to me, if the referees were to call the game much closely according to the rules, but there is little evidence that they intend to move in that direction.

Whatever, it will be interesting to see how this aspect of KU's game plays out.

The KU loss to Duke once again suggests the appearance that a coach can sometimes appear to shape the battle field that is a game via apparent cheap shotting and get a win it otherwise might not appear able to gain.

Self the strategist and realist would seem likely to recognize that.

However he decides to address it.

(Note: My apologies for all the "appears" and "apparentlys" above, but I wanted to make sure no one thought I was claiming to know something that I am at most speculating and wondering about. As always, no one can say for sure about whether coaches teach, practice, or direct use of something like tactical cheap shotting. One can only speculate and wonder and hypothesize. Maybe they do no such thing. Or maybe they have their assistants do it. Or again, maybe it doesn't go on. Thus, all parts of this post are opining and speculation exploring it under a what-if condition. No allegation of tactical cheap shotting is intended,either expressly, or by implication, in any of these posts. Put more simply, because it sometimes appears to the author, as if tactical cheap shotting might be occurring, this commentary analyzes it under an entirely what-if condition: what if it were? I have no insider knowledge that it is. I do not claim that it is. I only claim that it sometimes appears as if it might be.)

Eric Williams 10 years, 5 months ago

Note: my apologies for not reading any of it...

jaybate 10 years, 5 months ago

Gratefully noted.

Too busy Occupying Wall Street, right? :-)

REHawk 10 years, 5 months ago

ict, relieve some of that gas. Dome of Georgia has just risen from Atlantis. But I do stand corrected on the Legends/Champions Classic offering.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 5 months ago

Great job guys! A couple of missed calls and a miracle shot away from bringing home the championship. A great team effort...

Steve Brown 10 years, 5 months ago

cheap shots of war: snipers, submarines, V-2 rockets.

TT should know by now when late in the game a Dook guard changes tactics gets close enough to knee you while waving arms to distract ref attention is the time to quit overthinking the play called and drive by him.

REHawk 10 years, 5 months ago

Champions Classic next year in Atlanta vs. Michigan State.
We play Duke the year after next in the Classic. Where?

Steve Brown 10 years, 5 months ago

Yes, the windy city. Portillo's hot dogs. Architectural River Cruises. Green river every mid March. Great park built on fire landfill from Ms. OLeary's cow. Hometown of packer's Swift and Armour. Marshall Field's dept store, Harrod's of mid.west like Harrod's wine shop in basement. deep dish pie. the loop, the El train, and 2nd city comedy. J Handcock bldg. where after 9.11 condos above 20th floor were going 50% off for six months. where they still play daytime baseball. best burger east of Michigan Ave, PJ Clarke's or Boston Blackie's cant go wrong at either place. Catch 35, Morton's, Gibson's, Shaw's Crab House, Gene & Georgetti's, WeberGrille, Lou Malnati's Pizzeria, 312 Chicago on W. Randolph and LaSalle- best shrimp appetizer in town next to Cadillac Theatre. the bean.

My kind of town.

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