Originally published November 9, 2011 at 02:09p.m., updated November 10, 2011 at 12:47a.m.

Recruit Perry Ellis signs letter of intent with KU

Basketball recruit Perry Ellis signed a national letter of intent with Kansas on Wednesday.

Basketball recruit Perry Ellis signed a national letter of intent with Kansas on Wednesday.



Courtesy photo/Steve Cross

Perry Ellis officially signed a letter of intent with Kansas at Wichita Heights High School on Wednesday.

Wearing a bright crimson and blue Kansas Jayhawks sweatshirt while seated in between mom, Fonda, and dad, Will, Wichita Heights senior forward Perry Ellis signed a national basketball letter of intent with KU on Wednesday in an early-morning ceremony at his high school.

A No. 34 KU jersey and KU banner served as the backdrop as the 6-foot-8, 220-pound Ellis put pen to paper, ending one of the most significant recruitments of the nine-year Bill Self era.

“We’ve been excited about Perry Ellis for a long time. We’ve been recruiting Perry pretty hard for a while. We felt like he was as important of a recruit as we have had since we’ve been here,” KU coach Self said upon receipt of the letter Wednesday afternoon.

“You have to get your local guys, and certainly he has a chance to be in that same mold of a Wayne Simien-type guy. Fans are going to fall in love with him because he is so responsible and disciplined. He’s a great student and will be a great ambassador for any program,” Self added of the three-time state Gatorade Player of the Year and No. 24-rated prospect nationally according to

Ellis orally committed to KU on Sept. 22 following a recruitment that began after KU’s 2008 national title season.

“He has progressed to the point to where he may play as much on the perimeter than on the inside for us,” Self said of Ellis, who averaged 22.1 points and 7.9 rebounds a game last season for undefeated Heights.

“He’s going to be a three man. He has a very good skill set. Coach Auer (Joe, Heights) and his staff; Steve Young and his team’s AAU program (Pray and Play Players) have put him into a position that he is able to do different things. He’s an athlete. He can really, really run. (He) is so explosive and so strong now. I’ve seen him develop and I think he’s prepared to have an impactful freshman year because we can pretty much put him out there and he can figure it out because he’s so versatile,” Self added.

Ellis, who has a perfect 4.0 grade-point average, spends much of his free time as a youth basketball instructor and volunteer at the Wichita Children’s Home.

“He’s so talented and going to be great. The fact he has never made a B. The fact he’s competitive in the classroom. The fact he will be a great ambassador for our university and athletic program, shows that he comes from great parents in Fonda and Will,” Self said. “They do a remarkable job with their children. We’re really excited about having this family be a part of everything we do. He’s had a nice blend of summer and high school, where everybody is on the same page.”

Two of Ellis’ teammates also signed letters at the ceremony to kick off the first day of the weeklong signing period. Terrence Moore inked with Emporia State and Gavin Thurman with Missouri State.

“I knew for so long. I’ve been there so many times. I felt so comfortable there,” Ellis said of the reason he chose KU over Kansas State, Kentucky and Wichita State. “It (comfort level) made me realize that was the school. It’s one of the top programs. I’m going to try to be a part of it.

“He (Self) was the first to come to my games my freshman year. That really impressed me and humbled me,” Ellis added. “He’s a real good person and I’m excited to play for him.”

Why No. 34?: Ellis’ mom said Perry has worn No. 34 since third grade. “He was a Shaq (O’Neal) fan back then and has kept that number ever since,” she said.

Zach next: Zach Peters, a 6-9 forward from Prestonwood Christian Academy in Plano, Texas, who is ranked No. 144 by, will sign with KU at a banquet on Monday. Peters committed to KU on April 21, 2010. He averaged 15.3 points and 9.0 rebounds a game last season. A wide receiver for his school’s football team, Peters has 42 catches for 549 yards and nine touchdowns for the 7-2 Lions.

Lucas to visit today: Landen Lucas, a 6-8, 240-pound senior forward from Westview High in Portland, Ore., today will begin an official recruiting visit to KU. Lucas, who is currently unranked, is considering KU, Cal, Stanford, Tennessee and Washington. He played at Las Vegas’ Findlay Prep last year.

“Lucas is considered one of the better power forward/center-types on the West Coast,” writes “Due to his physical nature and advanced skill set he should be a viable recruit for the high-major level. He doesn’t have great bounce, but he does have good hands, excellent foot work and a high basketball IQ to compete at that level.”

Recruiting class No. 24: has KU’s recruiting class ranked the 24th best in the country with one semester to go. KU will have two scholarships left to award if Thomas Robinson, as expected, turns pro after the season. KU would have three to give if Justin Wesley returned to walk-on status. He is on scholarship this year after transferring from Lamar as a walk-on.

The losses: KU most recently lost No. 20-rated center Kaleb Tarczewski to Arizona. Earlier, J’Mychal Reese picked Texas A&M;, Ioannis Papapetrou selected Texas, and Marcus Smart tapped Oklahoma State. Recruits that remain available include No. 56 Andrew White, 6-6 from Miller School in Chester, Va.

“We still have a chance to have a very good recruiting class. We obviously have missed out on a couple guys that certainly we felt would be difference-makers. I do think there’s other guys out there. Certainly we’re on top of those guys,” Self said.

“Recruiting is a never-ending deal,” he added. “Several of the key players in this class aren’t going to sign early. We’ll still continue to recruit some guys.”

Players in last year’s recruiting class who will be eligible at KU next season: No. 34 Ben McLemore, 6-5 from St. Louis; and No. 141 Jamari Traylor, 6-8 from Chicago.


diegohawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Kid's nasty. Based on the vid's i've seen of him and his reported academic prowess; it appears we have just signed a more polished, brighter version of Marcus Morris (no slight on MM). Hard not to get excited about this kid. Also appears that his work ethic is tremendous which is no surprise for a 4.0 student. People forget, many thought he was the best in his class during his frosh and soph campaigns. His post moves appear way more polished than most college 4 men. His handles are solid as well. His stroke seems a little slow but they will work on the release he'll need for the college game. Kid's got future NBA 3 man written all over him once he puts what missing (not much) with what he's got already (more than most). Great get for Self and the university. Rare prospect.

Chris Bailey 10 years, 6 months ago

Awesome! Congrats Perry! Good luck as a senior! Can't wait till your in Lawrence. I'm so happy your folks will be able to watch you play a lot of games close to home that will be bigger than you know!

Brandon Pope 10 years, 6 months ago

Couldn't be more excited to have this kid on the team. Looking forward to great things from him and his fellow classmates. Shaping up to be an impressive group of newcomers next season.

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 6 months ago

Very excited about this young man.

Welcome to the family, Mr. Ellis!

brooksmd 10 years, 6 months ago

I think he meant to show he's an idiot as he has shown in his past posts. Jaybate eats his lunch.

yates33333 10 years, 6 months ago

JB eats everyone's lunch when challenged. Jaybate rocks.

kranny 10 years, 6 months ago

Back up your negative view with some facts, stats, or at least some mindless rhetoric.

Ron Prichard 10 years, 6 months ago

I just hope this is the last time I see a hihawk post this year.

Gary Wirsig 10 years, 6 months ago

Isn't hihawk the former Jayhawkinnebr who was kicked off the site during basketball season last spring? Someone pointed that out earlier and I must admit the similarities are there; the blasting of Brady, the characteristic bad grammar and spelling (except for short posts like the one above), the lack of logic and value added to the threads. Welcome back, nebr. Wonder how long you will last this time?

Bob Forer 10 years, 6 months ago

Mr. Ellis appears to be the best combination of talent and intelligence to enter the national college basketball scene in quite some time. And he's a Jayhawk. Wonderful. Absolutely wonderful.

Thomas Michaud 10 years, 6 months ago

Excited to see this news; look forward to seeing Zach Peters letter as well (Monday?). At least we know that these two guys will have no issues with being cleared by the NCAA.

Having these guys (maybe 1,2 or 3 more) along with Jamari and Ben, is going to be a great class (along with the guys returning). Oh if only TRob would stay for one more year (one can dream).


KUbsee69 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if only the twins had stayed one more year!

dylans 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if Mario had only stayed one more year!

dylans 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if Gooden had only stayed one more year!

NebraskaJayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if Pierce had only stayed one more year!

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Only if Danny Manning had stayed one more year.

OH - wait! He did. And won a National Championship...............

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 6 months ago


I see I was supposed to start that with

Oh, if...............

tis4tim 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if Selby had only stayed one less year.

Kidding, everyone! Just stirring the pot.

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if Coach Brown had stayed one more year.

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

Oh, if Wilt the Stilt had stayed one more year, whoazah!!!

NebraskaJayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

You aren't kidding. That is going to be a special class indeed. And with a year under, I think Naadir could possibly be in the top 3 point guards Kansas has ever had and that's saying a lot when you consider Mario, Miles, Vaughn just to name a few.

Steve Brown 10 years, 6 months ago

Darnell Valentine. Trust us old farts, one of the KU best ever!!

yates33333 10 years, 6 months ago

For you youngsters, Charlie Black and Dean Kelly weren't chopped liver.

David Hodges 10 years, 6 months ago

+1 Now here folks is an example of a respectful fan.

yates33333 10 years, 6 months ago

I hate to say this since you are so kind, but I am glad he didn't go to K-State. You're hard enough to beat already.

southwindjay 10 years, 6 months ago

Happy Happy Happy!!! Welcome Perry, Welcome.

DXJhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

And we shouldn't have to worry about any "partial-qualifier" issues. One high school, great grades!

Look forward to seeing him continue to develop. Will have the opportunity to do very well here.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Rock Chalk. This is going to be a great kid to follow.

"We felt like he was __[Fill in the Blank]__ as we have had since we’ve been here."

Oh, Coach Self. How I love ya and your mad-libs-style addressing of the media. :-)

chaggs 10 years, 6 months ago

and don't forget the go-to statement! "I thought _ would be good, but it was even better than I imagined!"

As long as you keep winning, you can read from the HCBS idioms notebook!


Woody Cragg 10 years, 6 months ago

Quality kid & outstanding athlete. Too many kids are only recruited for the latter. This is a real shot in the arm for university. Good luck Perry!

chicagojayhawk87 10 years, 6 months ago

Being originally from Wichita I'm so glad we landed this kid. He's a great talent that friends from back home have been talking about for the last four years and I am stoked we got him.

Rock Chalk!!!!

Kenny Terry 10 years, 6 months ago

Welcome to the Jayhawk family Perry. I hope you enjoy your college experience and playing in legendary Allen Fieldhouse.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Rivals has Ellis listed at 6'8" 220 lbs. and if he's actually anywhere close to that he won't be spending much time, if any, at the 3. A more likely starting lineup next season without T-Rob is Tharpe, Johnson, Releford, Ellis, and Withey.

Darshana Benhur 10 years, 6 months ago

I think ur missing Ben McClemore I think he would take the starting spot over Releford

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

No I'm not, I don't think McLemore starts next season.

texashawk10 10 years, 6 months ago

Ellis does have a very comparable game to Marcus, but let me ask you this. How much time did Marcus actually spend at the 3 during his time at KU? Not very much. The only time Marcus was ever a true 3 was when Markieff and Cole were also on the floor together a couple of seasons ago and those times were few and far between. Ellis is the perfect player for the high-low because he does have the ability to knock down the three if the other team leaves him alone. He will also be allowed to do many of the same things Marcus did, but make no mistake about, in college Perry Ellis will spend more than 95% of his time at the 4. He will guarding the other teams 4 on defense and the other teams 4 will be guarding him on offense. That is how I define a 4 in college and that's what Ellis will be at KU.

cool_beans 10 years, 6 months ago

Is Zach supposed to sign during the early signing period?

Kye Clark 10 years, 6 months ago

Another article on this site said he was going to sign at some banquet next Monday.

gchawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Welcome aboard, Perry. Proud to have you in the Hawk family.

KANSTUCKY 10 years, 6 months ago

Congrats Perry! You will have no regrets going to KU. No better place the play than AFH! May all your dreams come true.

REHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Welcome aboard, Perry. Most folks on this site are thrilled that your commitment is now official and that Coach Self can talk about you. When Zach signs Monday, we are well on the way to a terrific recruiting class, esp. since Ben Mac and Jamari Traylor will be eligible next season. You appear to be talented enough and in position to step right into our starting lineup, perhaps at both the 3 and 4 positions as the season plays out.

Geekinout 10 years, 6 months ago

Sweet!!! I'm excited for this year and think we are going to be very solid even with limited depth. Next year, it's going to be redonkulous!

Still being football season, or what's left, it's too bad we can't hear stories like this of landing top-notch recruits. Will we ever?

Joe Baker 10 years, 6 months ago

Welcome Perry. You are truly a truehawk.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 6 months ago

Welcome to Jayhawk Nation, Perry. I live in the Wichita area and plan on seeing you at least one time in person. I know Danny Manning is licking his chops because he can't wait to work with you in the gym. Jayhawk Nation can't wait. It will be something special to look forward to! Rock Chalk!

jayhawker_97 10 years, 6 months ago

salute to you, admiral Ellis!! welcome to Jayhawk family, you made the right choice. can't wait to see you in KU uniform!!!!!!!!!!! rock chalk!

Steve Yeakel 10 years, 6 months ago

Ellis Family - we are so blessed to have you, welcome to Jayhawk Nation! Great job by our coaching staff to successfully recruit Perry. Go Jayhawks!

tis4tim 10 years, 6 months ago

This kid is stout both on and off the court and is the kind of player that raises the games of everyone else just by his presence.

Welcome, Perry!

Jack Wilson 10 years, 6 months ago

Can we all agree on one thing here: McLemore and Traylor are part of the 2011 recruiting class. They are not part of 2012.

The continual reference to them being part of the 2012 class that I've seen on nearly every thread related to recruiting is just another way of absolving the fact that one of the top guys -- Mclemore -- and two role players -- Traylor/Anderson (at least one of which was needed badly for depth), won't even play this season, as if it's ok. Our 2011 recruiting class is Tharpe, McLemore, Traylor, Lindsay, Young, and Anderson ... and we really only get the benefit of Tharpe and Young this season (assuming Lindsay remains the project we assumed he would be).

And really, the reference seems also to be a way of propping up the 2012 class that most everyone here assumed would be a "monster class" for KU.

The only additional benefit we get from McLemore and Traylor is if they have a 4th year of eligibility, which I assume they do, and they are here for that 4th season.

The big negative .. big negative .. is that neither will go into 2012-13 with any game experience as was expected. So if were were to get the "monster class", one of the jewels of 2011 and a projected role player will have no experience. But as we know, we need them now. While McLemore is the higher ranked player and likely the better player, missing Traylor down low (a body) creates a major hole.

Remember, when it is said that McLemore and Traylor are really part of the 2012 class, the converse must be true as well, thus driving the 2011 class further down.

We had a below average class for 2011, counting everyone actually in that class.

And now for 2012, we appear to be well behind -- example below:

But we have significant time to make up ground. Unfortunately, it does not appear that we are even in the mix on many top guys. By the way, watching Angelo Chol for Arizona off the bench last night .. would be nice to have had that guy in our 2011 class. Would have been a perfect fit for this squad.

Ok, that's all the quasi-negativity I need to generate for the day.

One major positive .. and I don't want to be premature here .. but it looks like we have a solid four year point guard. Tharpe looks terrific. Looks like the kind of point guard that will make his teammates better. And I am becoming more convinced that if everyone can just stay healthy, this team could be a real force come tournament time. The Kentucky game is perfect timing, really, to guage where we are. A number of factors, of course .. but Teahan's ability to hit the three and play defense, and Wesley's ability to gives us adequate defensive minutes at the 4 .. those are major keys.

Steve Kubler 10 years, 6 months ago

I can not find it now but in a story from about a week or so ago it was said that NCAA confirmed McLemore and Traylor will have four years of eligibility. Of course believing everything you read on here is sometimes risky! :)

Agree on Tharpe, from what I read about him after he signed I was excited he was coming. Nothing more fun to watch than a high speed point guard driving and dishing. Now he has showed he can shoot lights out as well. Guarding him will be a nightmare for most if not all combo guards. What do you stop, the drive or the jump shot?

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

I'm glad that someone else has pointed out that McLemore and Traylor are part of the 2011 recruiting class. If there is an upside to this NCAA over reach it is that Tharpe will get significantly more playing time and w/next years class plus McLemore we will remain solid -maybe even better - in the backcourt. And looking further down the road we will add Conner Frankamp..bringing a continuity of high level multi-year guards. These are the type of players that take you far come March and April.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

There is no doubt that not having McLemore, Traylor and Anderson hurts us a lot this year. It is also true that even with those guys the talent level in the squad would not have been quite as high as it has been in many recent years. But the silver lining of McLemore and Traylor staying and getting to practice with the team 2nd Semester is that they will basically be taking redshirt seasons, with a little less practice time than you'd normally get.

They will also be working with Hudy and getting bigger and stronger while they mature for a year. McLemore is a talent and was never going to redshirt. Now when he begins his college career he will be a year older/bigger/stronger/faster and he will know the offense. He's poised for success. Traylor was supposed to be a project anyway, so this redshirt year in a season where he was going to play as a raw post might end up really benefiting us down the road if he has a great senior year after developing under Danny.

It might mean that we get one less season from McLemore (which would be a shame), and we are definitely going to be shorthanded this year -- but this "lost season" for Mac and Trey just might end up paying big dividends down the road.

I've always been a KU basketball optimist, though (until I start getting that familiar sinking feeling early on in certain tournament games).

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

Well, you never should pass up high level transfers but I've always preferred being someones first choice.

I don't recall off-hand a transfer from a 4 year institution that made a major contribution, getting us to the Final 4...Rodrick Stewart comes closest. More have turned into disappointments such as Luke Axtell or Lester Earl.

There have been several JUCO players who have made such a contribution, the best examples being Roger Morningstar and Jeff Graves (2002-03).

Sam Constance 10 years, 6 months ago

Well... when you toss the "getting us to the Final 4" qualifier in there, it makes the requirement quite a bit harder. Not to mention the fact that a Final Four berth is a metric that doesn't really work when applying to an individual player.

I say this because Jerrod Haase was a big-time contributor at KU after transferring from Cal. He was our leading scorer in his first (sophomore) year at KU, and was a co-captain on that 1997 team that fell stupendously short of expectations, losing to eventual champ Arizona in the tourney. Obviously he has no Final Four appearance on his resume, but I don't think that means he didn't contribute.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

Jerrod Haase! Good memory. And agree with you on using the Final 4.. Arbitrary reference point.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

"Its Alive!"

I was not sure Perry Ellis was a must have.

Never made B.

6'8" and will play the 3.

This is the player Self has been waiting for since Brandon the Great departed with his ring.

Roy and DBlock infractions coast Self James Anderson and Kyle Singler, either of whom could have been the next great Self Ball 3.

Marcus seemed like the next candidate, but he was needed inside and he wasn't quite the smooth operator, Sade-type, that the 3 has to be, though he might have been had the horsepower on the blocks to stick at the 3 full time.

And the X man with the NBA body from his Gerbers days seemed a strong candidate, but while he played well, Self never really played through him, or made it his team, and so after a single season, in which it almost seemed like X was sandbagging to avoid injury to ensure the Fed notes, he departed.

Next came Josh Selby, best PG in his class. Self promptly made Josh a wing point and practically turned the team over to him early, but the pop tarts and stress fracs ended the most daring 3 experiment of Self's tenure.

During all of these almosts, and nears, if onlys, Brady Morningstar manned the 3 spot and he and Self turned it into the ultimate glue position. Brady glued everyone and every thing that could move and dribble. Self and Brady turned the 3 into the 3M adhesives position. Brady did every thing but carry Skotch Tape and Super Glue with him on the floor.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Now this year, Travis Releford has been slotted at the 3. Travis Releford of the he has more athleticism in one of his hang nails than most players have in their entire beings. Travis appears to be the Mad Doktor Selfenstein's and his assistant, Igor Dooley's experiment with over the top athleticism at the 3. It appears TRel will try to be some kind of hyper elastic adhesive developed at DARPA. It appears Travis has a trey gun. It appears is going to find out if glue can be applied between leaping tall buildings with a single bounce, with going faster than a speeding bullet.

And next comes Perry.

Travis and Perry might share the 3 next season, with Trav swinging 2/3 and Perry swinging 3/4.

But listening to the Mad Doktor Selfenstein, it seems he and Igor Dooley are envisioning the ultimate monster 3 in Perry.

jaybate news service stringers report that even as I type, building engineers have already begun welding together the operating table and gantry that will lift Perry Ellis' sedated body high up into the rafters of Allen Field House, where a portal in the roof will be cut open. ins stringers report that the plan is that Perry will report to KU next summer term and during the first humongous lightening storm triggered over Lawrence by USAF Weather Warfare command's HAARP experimental array in Gakona, AK, that Doktor Selfenstein and Igor Dooley will will hoist Ellis sky ward, where he will be reanimated by a monster lightening bolt of unthinkable energy. And then Perry will be lowered to Naismith heliport court, and Doktor Selfenstein and Igor will froth and foam at their mouths shouting, "Our 3! Its alive. Its alive. At long last our monster 3 is alive!"


Jim Murray never wrote sports quite this way. But he's dead, so who cares about ol' Jimbo?

And Hunter Thompson never wrote this way without massive quantities of drugs, and a lot of hand holding by Steadman and editors. And I don't use drugs. And my friends aren't fat painters. And Doc's dead, so who cares about Doc either!

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

If Self is not puffing, Perry has the do-everything game, and he has it out of the box.

"its alive! Its alive!!!!"

Danny the Sultan of Swatology may want him in Chamberlain Hall working on a Ph.d. in NonLinearities in Swat and Alteration, but it looks like the Mad Doktor Selfenstein and Igor Dooley have him penciled into Perimetron Accelerator.

And when Perry hits Naismith heliport court, where the Jayhawk airborne strike force is always skyin', he could well become the team's AH-64 Apache attack helicopter. He could be the monster machine that shows up anywhere, anytime, with awesome fire power and lightening strikes.

Perry could still be arcing from his trip to the roof barbecue.

Perry Ellis, if he can pop the triceratop at 40%, could actually surpass Brandon the Great.

In Self Ball, guards and bigs are where the impacts tend to come from year in and year out, but Okie Ball the way Eddie created it up at Southern Idaho Juco back shortly before Francis Gary Powers found out the hard way that the old USSR had developed counter measures for his U-2, and Okie Ball the way Bill took it up about three orders of magnitude, is at its strategic and tactical peak when the 3 is an MUA every game.

And this Perry could possibly be.

All Perry needs is for Self to have enough bigs around for a change. But will he?

Sir Thomas Robinson looks gone after this season. One down.

That leaves Jeff Withey and Justin Wesley returning, plus Jamari Traylor becoming eligible, plus Zach Peters coming in.

If Doktor Selfenstein can find one more banger for next year, I would say Perry Ellis may spend an entire season at the 3. And maybe even if not.

There is also Kevin Young to consider, but so far he just seems a better fit at the 3.

And imagine moving Travis to the 2 and rotating Perry Ellis and Kevin Young at the 3 next season. It might be the first team in history to be lead in rebounding by the 3 position!

Oh, its alive!!!!

Its alive!!!!!!!!

David Robinett 10 years, 6 months ago

BTW, were you inspired by last night's Criminal Minds?

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Dang, daverinoku,

I'm not sure if you are trying to compliment me, or trying to connect me with a show title to smear me. :-)

But the effect on a casual reader would be the latter.

And since this technique is taught at the Anger Trolling Institute, I figure I get to have some fun with you, okay?

Okay, daverinokuT.BoonePickensWasCalledaCorporateRaiderandReputedlyTiltsatPowerLineRightofWayswithWindMIlls? :-)


Was daverinoku inspired by Criminal Minds? :-)

daverinoku likes Criminal Minds? (notice the question mark?) :-)

Criminal Minds and daverinoku go together like Hitlers and his followers, like Satan and his helldead, like Saddam and his obedience, like daverinoku inspired by Criminal Minds?



Isn't it cool how connecting an alias like daverinoku with Criminal Minds builds an association?

Look at this daverinoku (liker of Criminal Minds?): This is really neat. Watch. Read.

Visualize daverinoku in Criminal Minds and thinking like a Criminal Minds character.

Next say this out loud five times. In fact any one that reads this say this next line out loud five times:

"Does daverinoku submit to Criminal Minds."

Or how about this one?

Does "Criminal Minds" inspire "daverinoku"?

Or my favorite of all:

"does daverinoku get a Criminal Mind fix, as if he were taking heroin while participating in child prostitution with an Islamic Terrorist involved in Texas occult murders at human game hunting preserves?"

Do you see how these kinds of associations work daverinoku?

They work by, say, associating "daverinoku" with "Criminal Minds."

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

If you don't, you might pursue a degree at Anger Trolling Institute, or ask for your money back?

(Note: All of the above was a demonstration of the effect of associating daverinoku with Criminal Minds. i have no idea if daverinoku has a mind that likes Criminal Minds, or is inspired by Criminal Minds. I just know that he is an alias I don't recall who associated me with a show I lack interest in.)

Now daverinoku, think of the above as Anger Trolling 101 A: Creating Associations that Smear"

Now daverinoku, think of what follows as creating positive associations.

Think of this as Anger Trolling 101 B...

jaybate is inspired by "Honest Minds."

For what its worth, jaybate waits for the networks to produce "Honest Minds" because jaybate loves honest minds.

jaybate is inspired by "Honest Minds," or the idea of such a network show.

jaybate loves "Honest Minds," or would, if such a show were made.

jaybate advocates "Honest Minds," or would, if such a show were made.

jaybate believes in "Honest Minds"-- That's how jaybate would promote a great new show about Honest Minds called Honest minds.

Honest Minds and Jaybate.

jaybate and Honest Minds.

jaybate is an honest mind.

jaybate is trust and honor.

For a little more than what its worth, I am finished with television entertainment (and internet aliases) as packaged as the trojan horse of anti-American, anti-patriotic, anti-Constitutional, and anti-Bill of Rights, anti-Miranda, anti-due process, anti-democratic, anti-people deserve to be treated with dignity and respect, pro-whatever-axis-of-oligarchy-will-pay-them-to-psy-op-for-them propaganda.

Give me an amen on this brother daverinoku.

Tell me daverinoku wants something more than Criminal Minds for daverinoku to be associated with.

Tell me daverinoku is finished with media being used to indoctrinate the viewing public into a state of fear to fight wars for reasons no one quite understands.

daverinoku is opposes wars no one quite understand, right?

Tell me daverinoku is finished with television shows in which depraved human scum is hunted by cops employing near police state tactics with the apparent effect of desensitizing Americans to such tactics first on TV screens, and then on the streets of our great republic.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, if they keep watching up lifting entertainment that gives them hope for democracy to really throw the bums out, restore the Bill of Rights unconditioned by the Patriot Acts, with all the freedoms the founders fought for, instead of just switching lackeys every four years.

What if the electronic voting machines really had no back doors, really could not be hacked, and really had a paper trail?

Whooooo Weeeeeeee daverinoku, what if eeeeeeelections in Florida and Ohio did not get throwed as reputed by some?

Should daverinoku watch Criminal Minds? Will Criminal Minds edify daverinoku, or make him more like them?

The future show "Honest Minds" will fill jaybate with democratic will. Honest Minds will focus daverinoku's attention on all the lackeys pretending to lead but doing the bidding of corporate and oligarchic dollars. Right daverinoku?

Honest Minds will fill jaybate with the hope Americans need to organize and support rational government pursuing solutions to human needs first, rather than corporate need for unlimited subsidy.

Honest Minds will reflect a value system based on humane choice, rather than on the rights of corporations to displace citizen's rights and leave them dying of corporate pollution and poison with no medical care. Right?

Honest Minds would inspire jaybate.

Would Honest Minds inspire daverinoku to work to see American political and corporate and central banking leadership held responsible for deindustrializing America, responsible for the derivatives scam, and responsible for torture prisons, and responsible for the Patriot Acts corrosion of the civil rights of US citizens?

jaybate prefers "Honest Minds."

jaybate prefers "Honest Minds."

jaybate prefers "Honest Minds."




(Note: All of the above is done as a public service announcement demonstrating how association of an alias with a positive or negative concept works. What follows is just a question aimed at echoing what daverinoku asked originally.)

Is daverinoku inspired by Criminal Minds?

Tony Bandle 10 years, 6 months ago

Perry at the three will be the ultimate match-up nightmare for KU's opponents -

Drive around the big slower guy shoot waaayyy over the shorter quicker guy if he's double teamed, will invariably find the open man!!

Besides, he will have the most elegant name in Division One!!!!

Ardy Dehdasht 10 years, 6 months ago

Any news on Nino Jackson? He seems like a catch. He seems like he has KU high on his list... Anybody has any news?

David Robinett 10 years, 6 months ago

Anybody else think less might be more?

It seemed in the past we had SO much talent that when HCBS tried to work everyone in, maybe nobody got enough minutes to get in the flow.

I think we'll see this year that a couple of good guards and one stud in the middle might be all we need. Just like all those teams that seem to beat us in the tourney most years.

I'm not so worried about this alleged down stretch in recruiting. All HCBS needs is good talent, and we'll win.

Jack Wilson 10 years, 6 months ago

Ah quite nice of you to point out. If you've seen this message board for the past year, that topic has been debated, restated, and regurgitated.

However, I wouldn't trade the guy for any other head coach in basketball, at any level.

And my guess is you'd make a straight up trade with us .. Calipari for Self, right?

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

But Cal can't win the big one.

He hasn't won a ring even with a team full of ineligible ringers.

How is he ever going to win a ring at a school like UK, where players have to be able to take their own SATs and attend class, and graduate?

Er, uh, well, you don't have to answer that. :-)

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

As to Landen Lucas, I have never seen him play except some videos on You Tube but why are we trying to land unranked players while not recruiting players like Willie Cauley?

I know I must sound like a broken record and promise not to bring him up again. It just kills me to see Calipari walk in and take him.

My daughters high school has better players than the ones we are signing (other than Mr. Ellis)

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

2012 Class F Evan Nolte Alpharetta, Georgia Milton 6'8" 200 3 stars

F Tevin Glass Alpharetta, Georgia Milton 6'8" 195 4 stars

F Shaquille Johnson Alpharetta, Georgia Milton 6'5" 195 3 stars

G Charles Mann Alpharetta, Georgia Milton 6'6" 3 stars

And the 2011 class had Shannon Scott #53, Dai-Jon Parker #63 and Julian Royal #125 overall rankings by Rivals

Jack Wilson 10 years, 6 months ago

Just when you think a guy might be talking out of a**, he pulls out the stars .. nice work.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

Miller Grove,also in the greater Atlanta area, is even better.

FarSideHawk 10 years, 6 months ago

jhawk7782 - You live in my area!

Although my kids are not high school age yet, but in 3 years they'll be at Milton.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

jhwksrock, I should have left that last comment unstated..regret writing it. I'm just frustrated that we are now focusing on another unranked player with one of our few remaining scholarships.

But she attends Milton High School in Alpharetta GA.

If you follow high school ball then you probably have heard of it... They are often in the National Rankings and it's a true HS..not some prep or academy.

Ben Simonett 10 years, 6 months ago

If Perry plays the 3 as Self mentioned, the expected front court next year looks like even more of a liability. He will see most of his minutes at the 4.

Yet another unranked player on an official visit? i moving passed anger to depression.

Sam Constance 10 years, 6 months ago

Does anyone remember where Zach Peters was ranked in his earlier high school years?

I seem to recall that he was once rated much higher than #144 and has subsequently fallen in his ranking...

...oddly enough, since he "committed" early to Kansas, as a HS sophomore.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

97 was the last ranking before choosing KU.

Sam Constance 10 years, 6 months ago

That's crazy to me. Plummeting almost 50 spots just doesn't make any logical sense.

Thanks for the data.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

I just love posting stuff right after you. :-)

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

"Aweds and Ends"

~If Landon Lucas is Maurice Lucas' son, sign the kid immediately. Maurice Lucas and Charles Oakley basically created the Power Forward role back in the days of tall socks. Bill Walton with Maurice Lucas with his back, was unstoppable. Any big with half of Maurice Lucas' genes is worth taking a flyer on. If Landon has the big quietness that meant business, as Maurice had, this young man KU must have. And I don't care what the idiots ranking players say. In fact, I am beginning to think that maybe the best guys are the guys they don't rank. They guys they don't rank may be "The Untouchables."

~Andrew White...that's a KU name. Not the "white." Its the sound of the name. Very solid, but also some swagger. Sign him if he's willing and got the swagger and character needed to play for KU.

~Question: Prior to Perry Ellis, who was the last highly ranked big Self has signed that did not default to KU as a second choice? Cole Aldrich and Sasha were fairly highly ranked and KU was their first choice, if I recall correctly, but after them, I am at a loss. The Morri were going to Memphis until investigations began to swirl around Cal there, weren't they? Thomas Robinson, like Xavier, was a Memphis lean before things actually imploded there. Withey went to UA first, then jumped to KU. This has been a very long spell of depending on sloppy seconds for Self.

~Question in partial response to Zig's recent request for comment on Self's recruiting struggles: has any other coach ever gotten less of a bounce recruiting bigs out of winning a ring than Self? It seems anomalous. The guy wins 84% of his games during his KU tenure. He wins 15 more games the last five years than the next nearest coach. He wins a ring and gets to the Elite Eight once and Sweet 16 twice. He wins 7 straight conference titles. He has won 30+ games the last two seasons alone. In Danny Manning, he has probably the best big man coach in the game. Self basically has been kicking arse and taking names after for just shy of a decade at a blue blood program. And Cole Aldrich, who committed when he was a junior, or so, is the last highly ranked big prospect he could land as a first preference. Or I am overlooking someone. Either other programs are maybe just paying mega bucks for these bigs, or Self has somehow gotten on the wrong side of the AAU pimps, or both. I don't see any other reasonable hypotheses here. Maybe you do and can inform me.

Every top coach gets upset early in the tourney from time to time, some more than others, but all at one time or another, and some have fallen to near .500 seasons during rebuilding years (though Self so far has not), so I don't think these things are drivers.

And let me make clear that my speculations are mere hypotheses at what seems a highly improbable phenomenon.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Next, I can't be sure, but every coach that I recall that has gotten on a role anything like what Self has been on, has begun to land more and more top players, not fewer, especially bigs. I have no insider knowledge, nor have I done any systematic research to produce documenting evidence of either a real difference between Self's post ring experience and others, nor can I point to any foul play proving he is being victimized in some way. All I can do is say Self's recruiting situation just seems anomalous.

~Speaking of the possibility that something is rotten in Denmark regarding recruiting, here is quite a remarkable link to a story that apparently appeared in New York magazine back around the time of Norm Roberts' appearing to get run at St. Johns, because he wouldn't do it the "wrong way." This is a stunningly candid story that KU fans must keep in mind when evaluating Bill Self's recruiting, at least since his one time assistant and reputed close friend, Norm Roberts, went to St. John's and began to get into problems with some AAU and juco coaches back east.

My favorite quotes from the story at the above link were these two:

"Russell Smith, a coach with the New York Gauchos, an Amateur Athletic Union program, said Roberts and his staff had been "too laid-back" in their local recruiting efforts. "You got to hustle here, bend some rules or do something," Smith said. "They settled for the transfers and second-tier kids."

The story continued with this quote.

"Kenny Wilcox, the head coach at ASA, a junior college in Brooklyn, said St. John's had been foolish to think it could win without bending the rules. "It's naïve because if you know the business, there are certain schools that are getting certain types of players and certain schools that aren't," Wilcox said. "At St. John's, they're not getting certain types of players because they're doing things the right way."

Read this story by Will Leitch in its entirety. It is short, but pithy. Its title is: "AAU Coaches No Longer Pretending College Hoops Isn’t Corrupt."

Its incredible really.

And its concluding graft hints at what Self and Norm Roberts, and other guys that try to do it the right way are up against.

It sounds kind of like a black list to me, but who knows?

rxjayhawk 10 years, 6 months ago

Just want to point out that Tharpe was ranked around the 90s overall in his class. Rivals rankings are a good starting point, but don't base how good or bad someone will be off just that.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Questions: What if a lot of the guys that are low ranked are guys that don't want to bend the rules? What if the system is biased against the honest players? What if to get a high rating while in high school, it helps to go along with the AAU coaches that want to bend the rules? What if the reason KU early recruits ratings decline after signing, because when a player signs with Self, some AAU coaches know the rules are not going to be bent and some of the recruiting gurus that rate the players are some how influenced by knowledge that Self, and coaches like Self, are not going to "bend" the rules?

What if Self in fact has been recruiting lots of good players that would have higher ranks had they been willing to bend the rules?

Just wondered.

Michael Bratisax 10 years, 6 months ago

Without hard evidence or specific rules, I can only make a few assumptions. And yes..I know the danger of doing just that.

Don't recall the posters name, but he made the case that Zack Peters' rankings dropped because he had stopped playing AAU basketball. And from a few that Royce Woolridge's rankings dropped because he signed w/Kansas so early in high school.

Looking first at Peters, he has played AAU since middle school, stopping only in May of this year. I believe he was down to 135 in Rivals already, so the most his decision could have hurt him is 9 points.

Royce Woolridge, who played AAU ball throughout HS, did drop in rankings from a high of #93 - #120 despite strong performances in several AAU events. Still, Royce Woolridge wasn't in HCBS vision of the future and transferred. I would say his ranking proved to be fairly accurate.

Watching Conner Frankamp should be interesting.

2010 recruiting class = Selby and Royce. Walk-ons will have a bigger influence than what might be the worst recruiting class we have seen at KU in many years.

Anyways..these are only 2 case studies and the numbers could be interpreted in different ways. I will say that I have not seen recruits from other teams that dropped in rankings because of signing early. But really haven't followed a recruit after he chooses a different school.

jaybate, "What if Self in fact has been recruiting lots of good players that would have higher ranks had they been willing to bend the rules?".

If so, then Zack will be one of those players that could answer that least partially. With a few exceptions, it has been the top tier recruits that has won one NC and 3 elite 8's and lower ranked recruits transferring.

Just look at the players we had in '08: Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, Collins, Russell Rob, Kaun, Aldrich, all highly recruited players, several who were 5 Star McDonald All-Americans. These are the type of players that win championships.

jaybate 10 years, 6 months ago

Good thoughts. Yes, we will have to watch.

My only add would be that since it was documented in a book like College Sports Inc., by Indiana University Professor Murray Sperber back in 1990, that football and basketball players were widely and highly paid during the 1980s, and since there was never a major NCAA clean up of such practices to my knowledge, it is not really much of an assumption that players at many programs today are still highly paid. And since TV monies have gotten much larger, it stands to reason that players are probably paid a great deal more than in the 1980s.

Here is the key question: If players are not being paid quite a lot of money in D1 basketball, why do the players that are not good enough to play in the NBA, but are good enough to play in Europe, why do these players stay in college, or even go to college (since so many at so many programs never graduate)?

If you are not going to make the NBA, and if you are not going to graduate, but you can make $200K to $750K in Europe, why do you play D1 at all?

What my logic suggests is that maybe the players are being paid more in D1 than in many of the European leagues, and so they play here till their eligibility and high pay run out, in hopes of getting a shot at the L, then they jump to Europe to make whatever money they can there.

Speculation on my part, of course.

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