Wednesday, September 8, 2010

Gill names Webb starting QB for Saturday

Junior lineman Hatch also to return to starting lineup

Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb takes off on a run against the North Dakota State defense during the fourth quarter, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010 at Kivisto Field. The Jayhawks came up short in their season opener, dropping the contest 6-3.

Kansas quarterback Jordan Webb takes off on a run against the North Dakota State defense during the fourth quarter, Saturday, Sept. 4, 2010 at Kivisto Field. The Jayhawks came up short in their season opener, dropping the contest 6-3.


Jordan Webb to start against Georgia Tech

KU redshirt freshman Jordan Webb will start this game in place of Kale Pick.

On Friday, red-shirt freshman quarterback Jordan Webb and junior offensive lineman Jeremiah Hatch took a moment to discuss how difficult it was to be on the bench to start the 2010 season.

“He told me before the game, ‘Jordan, I’m hurtin’ man, I want to be out there,’” Webb said of Hatch. “And I just told him, ‘I know, Hatch, me, too. We just gotta keep playing, and we’ll get our chance.’”

Little did either Jayhawk know his chance would come so quickly.

Wednesday after practice, Kansas University football coach Turner Gill announced that Webb would be the starting quarterback when the Jayhawks host Georgia Tech at 11 a.m. Saturday at Memorial Stadium.

And the guy who will be snapping him the ball? Yep, you guessed it.

Gill announced Hatch will start at center, and senior Sal Capra will move from center to left guard.

The news of Webb getting the nod comes as little surprise to most who have followed the program. Webb replaced starter Kale Pick in the fourth quarter of KU’s season-opening loss and, at the time, appeared to give the Jayhawks a spark on the field. Though Webb’s numbers were not drastically different than those Pick put up — Webb was 6-of-11 for 59 yards while Pick finished 13-of-22 for 138 yards and an interception — Gill said the guy with the stronger arm showed enough to earn the chance to start.

“If you look at the things that happened in the last game and overall at what’s going on, we thought (Webb) would give us the best opportunity at this point in time,” Gill said. “We feel good about what he’s done, and right now he deserves to get his opportunity.”

Gill informed the quarterbacks of his decision in a group setting during the day Wednesday. Just like last time, Pick, like Webb a few weeks ago, was not happy about the news.

“I think (he handled it) no different than Jordan did,” Gill said. “He was disappointed, not happy about it, which I guess, in some aspects, is a good thing. I hope that a person’s not happy when he’s not playing. That’s a competitor. And I know that Kale’s a competitor.”

Webb, on the other hand was ecstatic. Even though his team suffered one of the most embarrassing losses in school history Saturday, Webb’s postgame words carried with them a hint of optimism. Wednesday, that hint transformed into all-out enthusiasm.

“Obviously, I’m excited,” he said. “That’s what I wanted all along, that’s what everyone wants, to be the starter. Hopefully it’s something I can make the most of and run with.”

Asked if the task of taking on a nationally ranked team in his first college start would be too much to handle, Webb turned things around and spoke with confidence.

“It’s an awesome opportunity. It really is,” he said.

Hatch started all 12 games at center in 2009.

Senior right tackle Brad Thorson said Tuesday that Hatch had been working harder than ever during the past couple of weeks. Gill reiterated that point Wednesday.

“(Hatch and I) spoke on Sunday and a little bit on Tuesday and he expressed that to me that that was very difficult for him, standing on the sideline and watching his teammates play,” Gill said. “But he understood what the situation was, and he’s prepared to go out there and play this week.”

Added Webb of his center: “He’s hungry, he’s real hungry.”

The move means that senior captain Capra will slide over from center to left guard in place of Duane Zlatnik, who will be used as a reserve. Capra also started all 12 games in 2009, splitting time between the two guard positions.

Just because the Jayhawks named Webb their starter for Saturday’s game does not mean that the quarterback position is settled. Gill said Wednesday that Webb and Pick could play against Georgia Tech and stressed that the evaluation process was ongoing.

“It wasn’t necessarily things that Kale didn’t do because there were multiple things that were happening,” Gill said of the reason a change became necessary. “A lot of it wasn’t just because of the quarterback. We’re not going to sit here and say (Pick) will go in at this time, but I would say there’s a good chance that he will get some playing time.”

Jayhawks ready to move on

Last week’s loss to North Dakota State stuck with the Jayhawks for a good chunk of the days that followed it. But, by Tuesday, the Jayhawks were ready to move on.

Said senior cornerback Chris Harris of the challenge of facing No. 15 Georgia Tech: “Winning this game, that would kind of throw the last game away. This is a very big game for the program. We need it.”

Added sixth-year senior running back Angus Quigley: “There has to be a sense of urgency. That was the whole thing after we let the game go: Let’s gameplan with a sense of urgency.”

Sands seems OK

Red-shirt freshman running back Deshaun Sands, who logged a team-high 10 carries in the opener, appeared to make it through all of Wednesday’s practice. Gill said Tuesday that Sands was “very questionable” for Saturday’s contest.

Not worth listening to?

In the wake of last weekend’s loss, message boards and websites everywhere were loaded with negative things to say about KU’s team, its coaching staff and even some individual players.

Gill discussed how he addressed such things with his team.

“We talked about that even in the preseason camp,” he said. “I’ve always prepared them for things that are going to happen during the season so it won’t be a shock, it won’t be a surprise to them when those things occur. You gotta give them information as far as how they’re supposed to handle this.”

Dubious honor

Kansas made headlines last weekend for being one of the most high-profile programs to fall victim to an upset during Week 1. The negativity did not stop with the coverage from Saturday night and Sunday morning.

Wednesday, college football writer Mark Schlabach revealed his first “Bottom 10” rankings for the 2010 season. There, in a tie for fifth place with Ole Miss, were the Jayhawks, of which Schlabach wrote: “The Rebels’ D looked silly chasing around the Gamecocks, and the Jayhawks’ pathetic performance on offense was even worse.”


Tribehawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I expect this also means our play-calling will move toward a more pass-based offense. I anticipate a lot of shot-gun, spread formations on Saturday. I think Gill learned the hard way that our current offensive line is not built to run block.

youowethehawks 11 years, 10 months ago

Just curious, jdub and jhawk...

Have you been at practice since this spring? All summer? If coach said that Toben wasn't cutting it at RB, then I have to believe him. He sees the kid every day. He watches him work. I was pulling for Toben to have a standout year at RB, too. However, if he fits better at LB, then so be it. Toben is man enough to accept the change and make it work. Just listen to the guy sometime, he's mature enough to handle it.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 10 months ago

that and our best players/position is WR. The QB of choice is based on the rest of the team. I'm still not sure that Webb is necessarily a better passer than Pick, just that he doesn't run as well.

Bigger news is that Hatch is getting healthy enough to win his spot back on the OL. Hopefully, the young 2's can continue to develop and at least give some breathers to the 1's.

KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

Again, I have to wonder if anyone else was watching the game. Pretty much every play was out of a shotgun spread formation. Sure, we ran about 50% of the time, but it looked like we were working with a very abbreviated Ed Warriner playbook. Pick stared down receivers and didn't move his feet very well to avoid pressure. Webb didn't do much better with his footwork, but he at least moved his head around a little bit so the secondary couldn't jump the routes. It wasn't a huge improvement, but Webb looked like the abler quarterback on Saturday.

Tribehawk 11 years, 10 months ago

We started relying more heavily on the pass only as the game progressed. In the beginning, we tried multiple times running straight into the heart of a loaded box. Gill tried to establish the run, failed, and by necessity went to the air. I think the anointing of Webb means we won't try to establish the run first. Like in years past, we'll move to a pass-first mentality and use the run only to keep the D honest. I am somewhat surprised the Gill didn't give Pick a chance to start with that gameplan in place though. A lot of his troubles on Saturday were based on Gill's unsuccessful, run-first gameplan. He might thrive in the type of gameplan Gill will use vs. G-Tech. But I guess we won't know... unless he comes into the game in the 4th to give us a spark like Webb did against NDSU.

KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

On our opening drive, we ran five times and passed four. One of the five runs was Pick. All were from the shotgun.

Tribehawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Pass plays on 1st drive came on 3rd and 6, 2nd and 22, 3rd and 18, and 3rd and 5. Nobody runs on downs like that, especially when you're averaging only 2.5 a carry. And hardly anyone takes the snap under center on obvious passing downs like those.

KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

If you're saying we abandoned the run after the first drive, then OK. Otherwise, we passed on 1st-and-10 and 3rd-and-4 on our next drive, a 9-play, 81-yarder that ended with a field goal. We ran the ball OK on that one. I don't really want to argue about plays that have already happened, but I just don't remember a single snap taken under center all game. I may be wrong. I think everyone who assumed Gill and Long were going to put the QBs under center from the start are just repeating those assumptions.

If we shifted our play-calling toward the pass, it was relatively early in the game.

NebraskaJayhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Well, then he better start Pick so he has a scramber back there. Because this line can't pass block either if you remember much of last year. The only reason we were even in games at all last year was because of Reesing's abillity to create something out of nothing almost every single play. Reesing took a lot of shots last year.

D o N o t A b a n d o n T h e R u n C o a c h G i l l ! ! !

If we allow the defense to come at our young quarterbacks knowing there will be no running the football, we are doomed for sure. Keep running the football and teach this line how to run block. I don't care if we lose every game this season, but establish a run game for crying out loud.

JBurtin 11 years, 10 months ago

Pick is faster, but I actually find Webb to be the better scrambler.

Go watch his high school highlights and you'll swear you're watching a young Todd Reesing. (His stats would certainly agree)

Pick's a good QB, and he is fast once he decides to run, but it's really not his style to move around the pocket to create opportunities.

Andy Hess 11 years, 10 months ago

good news about Webb. I thought he played better last Saturday anyway.

GridironHawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Pick's a Kansas boy and it would be great to have him run the show at KU. However, Webb (yes a Missouri kid from south of STL) will be the guy. He looked like a true QB and not just an athletic kid. He scanned the field with his eyes and even escaped the pocket a couple times and threw some beautiful passes (one TD dropped by Bierre and the other one he fumbled after catching it late in the 4th). He's still going to have some growing pains but the sky's the limit. I hope they can find a position for Kale because he is way too gifted not to play for KU but Webb is the QB of the future, no matter what happens in this next game...

richter3 11 years, 10 months ago

This reeks of being a panic move by a young head coach who now realizes the man who hired him is no longer around.

BringBackNike 11 years, 10 months ago

Wow, already pulling the starting QB that took you all summer to choose? Hope that's not an indication on your eye for talent Coach Gill. Also regardless of who the QB is, could you please put the names back on the jerseys? They looked even worse in real life and are an embarrassment to the university. We aren't Notre Dame or USC, we need something to sell to recruits. And names on jerseys always help.

Take a look at what Nike has done for these schools:

And as always, Bring Back Nike!

Ben Kane 11 years, 10 months ago

why? Addidas gave us a much better deal than Nike

mjhawkchalk 11 years, 10 months ago

Nobody cares if you are sponsored by Nike or Adidas.

Bear86 11 years, 10 months ago

I care as well. Nike is American brand. Adidas is German. Support US companies.

tis4tim 11 years, 10 months ago

Don't kid yourself. Nike was founded in the U.S. and the headquarters are in Beaverton, Oregon, but the factories are in Asia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Pakistan, etc.

Eric Schneider 11 years, 10 months ago

If you think long-term you would care. Adidas better have offered at least double up front. Because they sell a miniscule amount of licensed merchandise compared to Nike. Trust me. I live in Indiana. You can't find KU stuff very easily. Yet I can find a ton of South Carolina merchandise everywhere because they have a contract with Nike. That's a lot of money KU is missing out on.

BringBackNike 11 years, 10 months ago

Good point jayhawkfan96. Not only is the Adidas selection of fan gear dismal, but their apparel is universal. Just watch a game and you will see. Notre Dame, Nebraska, UCLA, etc. (all Adidas schools) have the exact same style of gear as KU. The only difference is they change the colors and logos for each school. It's embarrassing and looks cheap! Meanwhile, Nike has specific designs for each school when it comes to sideline gear. Makes teams stand out. Bring Back Nike!

mtdewjunkie 11 years, 10 months ago

nike wasnt willing to outfit the entire athletic department. adidas was. all that extra nike money would have went to buying gear for the soccer and baseball teams

waywardJay 11 years, 10 months ago

Nike is overrated. It's much more suited to baby blues and and ugly cream and Blue unis in the SOuth.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 10 months ago

When choosing, Gill commented that there was very little difference between the 2. If anything, it points to realizing that the rest of the team is still very pass oriented, at which Webb is slightly better than Pick. And Yes, that is an indication of his eye for talent - of the entire team and not just a myopic view of one position.

GridironHawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I seem to remember a former coach that made many QB changes in his day before he accidentally discovered Reesing by burning his redshirt at Colorado because he had no other options (just a few names from the past Adam Barmann, Jason Swanson, Marcus Herford, Kerry Meier, etc.) . Pick may be the better paper/practice QB but Webb has "gamer" written all over him. He has the uncanny ability to escape the pocket (which seems to have become top priority) and can throw on the run. Gill even mentioned that some players can play when it counts and others can't and until Game Day nobody knows. Webb will make mistakes (and probably more than Pick) but that's what play makers do. They take risks and this team needs that in order to spark them. No risk no reward...

Jeff Hargate 11 years, 10 months ago

Ditch the white pants and shoes as well!!

gongs4ku 11 years, 10 months ago

I like no names on the jerseys. Emphasizes the team concept, minimizes the individual.

Fans will have to actually learn what numbers the players wear. I think most people are capable of that, if they are really fans.

justinryman 11 years, 10 months ago

When everyone wanted HCTG to choose a QB during fall camp, he even stated it would be determined on how they could handle a game. he got a game out of the way and now he has a clearer picture of who the right QB should be.

He didn't recruit either one of these guys, and is trying to revamp not only an offinse but a whole teama whole philosiphy. Give him time and good things will happen here at KU.

mikeowens 11 years, 10 months ago

The more impactful move is playing Hatch and sliding Capra over. The QBs look pretty much the same.

Andrew Moore 11 years, 10 months ago

I don't care which one starts because neither played particularly well. Its probably due to Oline issues... check that, it is due to Oline issues.

At least this next class is full of Olinemen...

The Hatch move is a good one.

The jury is out on Webb and Pick. Guess we'll find out saturday

JVZMan 11 years, 10 months ago

You go Jordan! I know you are a winner and a competitor. I enjoyed watching you for three years as the Union High School Starting QB and you deserve this shot. Lead your team like warriors and the rest will come with it. Best of luck on Saturday! Union, Mo is cheering you on!

murph 11 years, 10 months ago

What we're going to find out Saturday is how Georgia Tech looks crossing the goal line. How in the world did we end up with them coming here?? Have we sunk to the level of being the easy win instead of seeking it? Ouch.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 10 months ago

You apparently weren't around in 2007 when the world was screaming about not playing any ranked teams prior to mid-Nov's last game against mizzoo.

Nutflush21 11 years, 10 months ago

You do realize that oddmakers arent concerned with who wins or loses or by how much? They are only concerned with getting equal action on both sides.

GridironHawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Which also means placing the spread close to what they think it will actually be.

vmwskywalk 11 years, 10 months ago

That or 50% of the people making the bets didn't watch last weeks game.

NebraskaJayhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

You know what will be more pathetic about GT crossing the goaline many times with an efficient run-game? The most pathetic thing about Saturday will be fans not making any noise after the first touchdown or two. I am embarressed to say this, but K-State has so much more pride than we do as fans (on a whole). I'm not saying there aren't some die-hards out there, but our crowd is one of the worst I've ever seen in football. Just saying... If you're one of those people, I hope I ticked you off enough to do something about it and change your perspective during the game.

NebraskaJayhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I understand where you're coming from, but in my opinion it's worse because now you have the stadium filled with a bunch of snot-nosed people that don't know how to cheer on a football team. If you aren't one of those snot-nosed people then I salute you, Mr. & Mrs. Football Fan.

focojayhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

darn it! thought for sure this was the news stating toben would be starting!

waywardJay 11 years, 10 months ago

They ended up coming here for us because we were seeking out bigger NON-con wins in a down conference season. Oops. Wrong year. Wrong Team. Wrong schedule.

On the Bright side, If there ever was an overreach on a Coach's behalf. It was this decision. They played about the same, neither produced much for us, and Both were victims of the same abundance of flaws in Game 1. I've always been of the thought you don't yank your Quarterback until he's costing you games. We didn't lose to North Dakota because of Pick. We lost because our line was atrocious, we made more bad plays than we ade average plays, less than adequate plays and good plays combined.

Gill's first mistake in my opinion. As bad as they were Saturday, you gotta learn somehow how to motivate at team. Consider the forecast ( it's supposed to rain ), consider the opponent, and consider the stakes before you jump to action.

Rain favors a more ball control offense ( which all signs pointed to Pick ), GEorgia Tech is a quirky offense that is best handled by extended drives and being able to move the ball in a multitude of ways ( which they are at best equals at this point ) and Pick's career might be done as a starter because of a quick Hook. Future more, what delineates you from your predecessor was your ability to understand mistakes and fix the properly. You overreacted, and jumped much like Mangino did to the worst case scenarios.

Either this is mea culpa, and Pick's not a D 1 Qb, or a drastic overreach by a coach who may be choking on a short leash. Either way, I do not like the look of this.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 10 months ago

Or maybe it is realizing that the rest of the team is still very pass oriented, at which Webb is slightly better than Pick.

I find it hard to believe that Gill (or any other coach) has based his depth chart on the weather.

ps "Future more, what delineates you from your predecessor was your ability to understand mistakes and fix the properly." Did you really type that and mean it? You always struck me as having a better grasp of the english language.

waywardJay 11 years, 10 months ago

Dagger. Sometimes I'm not on my A game :)

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 10 months ago

Wow! I am a little surprised here. At the same time, this is an opportunity of a lifetime for Webb. It's his job to lose. With Webb starting against the #15 ranked team in America, how do you define success against Georgia Tech? I, like a lot of others, still would love to see Toben start in the backfield. The line, by the way, started at nine points on Monday---now it is 13 points. I do hope Tech comes in cocky and over-confident. RCJH!

Andrew Moore 11 years, 10 months ago

That option can also be a fumbly mess in the rain... Thats the scary part about the pitch play.

If we don't turn the ball over and break out the play book with some misdirection runs we can be successful. Still probably won't win the game. I think the defense gets shredded by GT and the offense is mediocre to average.

Webb and Hatch better bring their capes!

We need saving.

grandpa 11 years, 10 months ago

People are criticising Webb partly because he is a Freshman. Did anyone watch the Boise freshman qb and his heroics. One big problem for both quarterbacks was the play calling and getting the plays into the game. Coaches caused the time out problems and having 10 men on the field 2 times. Last year, no one ran over Hatch to get to the qb. Glad he is in the lineup. The other offensive linemen need to get their heads out of their rears and block. Quigley needs to quiot laying all the blame on the blockers. He needs to lower his head, put it in high gear and make a hole. We are going to win this Sat.

Eric Williams 11 years, 10 months ago

The Boise QB is a Junior and 27-1 in his career.

cre017 11 years, 10 months ago

You know it could just be that Gill knows both of his QB's just suck and we are not going to hurt anybody by starting Webb. It might not help either!

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 10 months ago

But how can both QBs suck? I thought they were both brought in by Master Recruiter and King of the Universe Mark Mangino!

Ashwin Rao 11 years, 10 months ago

I agree with dagger, the choice of QB makes a lot of sense. Pick definitely sported an Akili Smith (Cincinnati Bengals) look during the game. He was very tentative, and had no confidence whatsoever. Webb though more limited, seems to be more confident. That is important to fare well against the 15th Ranked team this weekend. I too would have liked for toben to start, but that may be in the next game! :-)

Larry Ewart 11 years, 10 months ago

This coaching staff has not taken any blame for what happened last Saturday. And now, they throw Kale under the bus and make him look like it was his fault for how they prepared the team. The question now is how long will Webb last when GT sacks him and runs him around the backfield and he fires a few interceptions. Does Gill stay with him or pull him and wreck his confidence also. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. I have tried to be positive about this HC and his staff but it sure looks like we have made a mistake with the decisions they are making. You evaluate all summer who is going to be the guy and you run from him at the first sign of trouble. Glad Gill is not in my foxhole!

newkufan 11 years, 10 months ago

Couldn't agree more, you have a young QB who you've constantly put in bad down and distance and you yank him, whats Webb have to look forward to. Gill had an unprepared soft team on the field, and he only has to look in the mirror to see who is to blame!

NebraskaJayhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I would have to agree. As much as I like Coach Gill and want him to succeed, I think this is a knee-jerk reaction. The blame is completely on the O-Line and really has nothing to do with the backs or the QB. Sure we dropped a pass here and there, had an interception....fumbled. Even with all of those mistakes, we should have been able to beat North Dakota State with a ground game which never came into existance. Run. The. Ball.

Randy Bombardier 11 years, 10 months ago

I agree. This does not look very good for the coaches, or coach. My guess is by the end of the year we are going to have the most employable coaches bailing. This does not help the QB situation overall, it hurts us. Pick needs additional opportunitites to build confidence and gain experience. Not to say we could not put Webb in later in the year at times to develop him further. It does indeed smack of making Pick the reason for the loss.

JBurtin 11 years, 10 months ago

Either that, or none of you three have the football intelligence of a monkey.

The offensive line that we had for the last game was more of a run style offensive line with a smaller, quicker center to take out a linebacker. Pick fits with a running style of offense because he is fast and can run the option.

Unfortunately, if we couldn't run it down the throat of NDSU, then we're not going to have success running against anyone for a while.

This week it they're opting to go back to more of a pass protection offensive line with a big center (also helpful to cover GT's 3-4 defense). If they're going to switch to more of a pass first style, then it makes sense that they would opt for the better passing quarterback.

Honestly Webb was by far the better high school quarterback and I think will ultimately be the better college quarterback. Unfortunately after Pick's performance in the Spring game the coaches pretty much had to give Pick a shot. Neither of them had any experience under pressure, so the Spring game was the best indicator that they had at the time for who would perform better in a pinch.

kuhawk4life 11 years, 10 months ago

Wow! The overreaction isn't coming from Gill. It's coming from all of the KU fans that think they know more about the game than a guy who was a Heisman candidate when he was a player (can't remember if he won it or not) and had decent success at a school with very little talent. Whether Mangino was here this year or not would not have made a difference. KU was still going to lose Meier, Reesing, Briscoe, Stuckey, and Sharp. Four of those five guys were about 60% of your offense the last couple of years and the other was the leader on the defense. KU has a young team this year, especially when having the choice between starting a redshirt Sophmore or a redshirt Freshman. Gill just needs to find his rotation of guys that he believes will give the team the best chance to when and KU will be fine. The discipline will come. Call me an optimist, but give the guy a chance before you give him the steel-toe. Plus, it was one game. Yeah, I know, they should never have lost to a Div 1-AA, but hey you know what it happens just ask Ole Miss. I was in the stands last Saturday and was pissed with the way the team played just like everyone else. But don't come on here and act all high and mighty about a young team and a coach don't deserve the treatment they are getting. It's one game! If they continue to play like this after game 5 or 6, then you have every right to come on here and berate whoever you please. Until then, support your team like KU fans know how. If this was basketball you wouldn't be calling for coach Self's head after one game.

Rock, Chalk!

KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

Very good post. Gill didn't win the Heisman, but he was awfully deserving. Chuck Long was also a Heisman finalist. I am assuming those guys are seeing things on film that became apparent as we watched the game. Getting Hatch back on the o-line should help a lot, too.

(Don't be so sure about the fans calling for Self's head, though. These Kansas basketball fans--I'm one too, I admit--are a fickle bunch.)

NEJHawk84 11 years, 10 months ago

Thank you. It is very frustrating reading everyone's comments the last couple days. The coaching staff obviously did not do the best job in game one, but please stop all of the criticism. Give him 6 games minimum before you call for his job.

I think their biggest mistake was their game plan. With this teams o-line they should have moved pick around a lot more, more of a Reasing type offense. In the long run this staff wants to move to a more balanced/power running game. This will take some time because the current offensive line was recruited to pass block. I am extremely excited to watch this team progress throughout the season, and see what TG and his staff can do with their recruits down the road.


GridironHawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for this post... I've done all I can to stay off these message boards because I knew the bandwagon jumpers would be posting all sorts of negative chatter. I wish userIDs could be collected so when things do turnaround these people posing as "true" KU fans can be exposed. I've been through many years of KU football and trust me when I say, losing to this I-AA team is by far not the lowest KU football has been. I was as pissed at Saturday's performance as the next guy but I also didn't put forth a drop of sweat during two-a-days or offseason workouts and thus don't really deserve to criticize this young team after just one game. However, if you did then please accept my apology and continue to criticize....

jayhawkintx73 11 years, 10 months ago

The fans have nothing to do with getting the team ready to play. The coach is going to have to be a man and say he didn't get his job done very well in training camp.

Ron Prichard 11 years, 10 months ago

Aside from whether we were in the spread or under center, whether we ran or passed, did anyone else feel like the play calling was predictable? Delayed runs, screens and short passes. Very rarely did we pass downfield. Very rarely did we attempt to run outside. Yet, when we did, it seemed like we made yards. Why keep running cross plays up the middle when we have speed at running back and when we got outside we made plays? More than anything, I think I was frustrated by the predictability of our offense.

Andrew Moore 11 years, 10 months ago


did he really say that? What a jerk.

Kansas will be back in a few years. Will he be willing to put us on the schedule in a couple of years? Probably not.

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 10 months ago

Did he seriously just say he gave The Valley more respect than the Big 12? Ok, flip a coin. Texas, or Northern Iowa. What's the difference? It's all the same!

d2psugrad 11 years, 10 months ago

I hate to say it but Coach Bohl has a point. KU footbal crowds go quiet quickly, and this team did not show much confidence or swagger against NDSU. Teams take on the personality of there head coach, and Gill is a quiet guy. KU will not be a tough place to play until they 1.) re-gain the confidence of the fan base by winning meaningful games again, 2.) yank out that track and put a student section on top of the visiting sideline, 3.) play with intensity and be permitted to show some emotion.

stravinsky 11 years, 10 months ago

All summer, Gill and co made comments about how we'd see how our QBs really are when we got to gameday.

And we saw. Kale Pick was taking seven seconds to make a read -- and by make a read, I mean generally staring down his primary option, ignoring two wide open guys, and throwing into triple coverage. That's not something you're going to fix in a week or two. PIck may have looked better in practice, but his mental mechanics on Saturday looked incredibly poor and tentative -- I think it's the right move to replace him at this point.

I'm more concerned about the line play than the quarterback play, to be honest. But it would be nice to see something better from the QB than we saw last week.

rockchalkblock 11 years, 10 months ago

WOW! I cant believe alot of you complaining about the QB change and talking about how the coaching staff not taking blame. I guess alot of you dont remember the first 4 years of Mangino... We never really had a "starting" QB until Kerry came along in Mangino's 4th year even then Kerry got hurt and it was musical QBs again.

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 10 months ago

Bring Back Barmann! Or the insufferable Brian Luke!

GridironHawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Thank you for this post. I was starting to think I was the only one who remembered those dreadful Saturdays when Barmann always seemed to get the start but never lasted much past the half because of his awful play. Either he had something on Mangino or was one hell-of-a practice QB. Pick was doomed from the beginning with #7 (also Barmann's #). Maybe if he changes #s he'll have a chance...

kugrad93 11 years, 10 months ago

People also seem to forget that Mangino's first two weeks went the same way. He named Zach Dyer the starting QB and replaced him during the opener (a 45-3 loss) with Bill Whittemore.

Kenneth Hillman 11 years, 10 months ago

Why do you think we need to go back to square 1 with a new coach????

Mangino inherited a $hit team and built us into a BCS Bowl Champion (yes, it took time). We had a terrible end to last season but we had a competitive team. The team is not lacking talent the way it was when Mangino started. We should be in a better position now to pick up the pieces and move forward than when Mangino started. So it is NOT the right comparison to say "you forget when Mangino started.....cry cry cry". I am not saying we should still have Mangino, what I am saying is we are WAY underachieving right now and there is no excuse for that. This coaching staff needs to be accountable. Accountability is not changing your starting QB, which APPEARS to be where the blame is being placed.

kugrad93 11 years, 10 months ago

Glen Mason was 10-2 in his next-to-last season at KU. Does that mean Terry Allen inherited a top 25 program two years later? No. The Orange Bowl was three seasons ago. KU was not going to be good this year with or without MM. The team was not very competitive last year. They were outscored by more than 100 points during the seven-game losing streak, and five of the losses were to unranked teams. (Yes, a few of the games were close. A good team would have won at least a few of them. CU was horrible.) Gill may be a flop, but people who think he inherited a great program are kidding themselves.

Jim Pendleton 11 years, 10 months ago

grandpa - the Boise QB is not a freshman. He started last year also.

Like these moves, and like everyone else, I think Operum should be back at RB. One has to wonder if this would even have been an issue this year had he not got hurt in the Texas game. Might have made the difference in us winning at Arrowhead also, which could have got us to a bowl.

If we don't see any better running performance this week, I think you will see the change we want next week. Two weeks too late, but what the heck. Rock Chalk!!

hotsteel 11 years, 10 months ago

I'm no football coach but it seems to me It;s not that they lost It's the way they lost. Question who gets thrown under the bus next. also,when will gil take responsibility for what is happening. If he doesn't I'll get off my ass being netural at this point

Eric Williams 11 years, 10 months ago

I think the QB swap is a mistake. Webb only looked better because once he came in we had abandoned the running game.

Webb also benefited from 2 15-yard penalties that NDSU committed. Otherwise we would have punted on Webb's only decent drive.

dtownhawkfan 11 years, 10 months ago

look for Pick to be put in once the 4th quarter starts and with the game being a one score game

Andrew Moore 11 years, 10 months ago

that would be such a bad decision.

Webb keeps us in position to win and then say Pick scores a winning touchdown...

whew that would be a tough spot for the coaching staff to be in

GridironHawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I'm pretty sure, assuming a win is the result, that at this point Gill would be more than happy to be placed in that situation.

Bear86 11 years, 10 months ago

KU Athletics the last 12 months = Nightmare

JayHawkFanToo 11 years, 10 months ago

I believe the decision to bench Pick after 3 quarters of play is a bad one and cannot be good for team morale. Pick did not play a great game but he did not play a poor game either; his lack of success is a direct result of a terrible OLine and poor play calling by the coaching staff.

To those who say that HC Gill is qualified by virtue of havimg been a great QB in college and a Heisman contender, I have one thing to say: Michael Bishop. Generally considered one of the better if not the best QB while at KSU, he was runner up to "rasta" Ricky Williams for the Heisman....but honestly, would you consider him for HC of any program? Tuner Gill had a comparable record as QB as Bishop but finished fourth for the Heisman.

As far as his head coaching record, he basically had one good year (8-5) at Buffalo. That season his team got an incredible number of lucky breaks, including 3 OT wins, and another by 2 point. Many of the wins were a result of the other teams making huge mistakes, rather than his team truly earning the wins. If you read the stories about that season, it could have easily ended 4-8 with no bowl. With this mediocre record, it escapes me how he was ever picked by KU...Lew will have to explain this some day. His lack of head coaching experience showed las Saturday with a soft, truly unprepared team. The fact that he still has not taken any responsibility for his team's poor performance bothers me a lot.

Again, to those that say that he inherited a bare cupboard, I say that he probably inherited the "least bare" cupboard of any new KU head coach in recent memory; certainly a lot fuller than what Mangino inherited from Terry Allen.

Jeff Coffman 11 years, 10 months ago

I think this has been one of the best posts I read.

This actually puts things into perspective.

To HCTG's credit he did serve as an offensive coordinator for several years. But just because you are a good coordinator doesn't mean you will be a good head coach. Let's see Charlie Weiss and Chuck Long both come to mind.

I believe that Turner Gill was 20-30 overall at Buffalo and now 0-1 at KU. Chuck Long's headcoaching record is worse. By the way, I live in Oklahoma and OU fans were happy to see Chuck 3rd and Long leave. Going by the numbers we are already seeing that 3rd and long happen.

khummel60 11 years, 10 months ago

While I disagree with your first two paragraphs, I think you raise some good points in your second two paragraphs. I liked that he brought Webb in at the end, as the offense desperately needed a spark. I agree it wasn't all Pick's fault, but from where I was sitting it appeared the team got some life back when Webb came in. As for the Gill/Bishop comparison, I would agree except I haven't seen many folks saying that Gill is qualified solely because of his performance as a QB - perhaps I've missed those postings.

Your questions about his coaching record, and what happened that year at Buffalo when they went 8-5 are good ones, but it glosses over how he took a no-name program with no-name players and made them successful. I'll grant you hiring Gill was a risk because he has no track record as a big-time coach, but I have to believe Lew and crew did their homework and saw something in Gill. Regardless, he is our coach now, so I'm going to support him and our team until he proves he isn't up to the job. One game doesn't prove that.

As to whether he inherited a better team than his predecessors, perhaps. I think that's an impossible thing to compare or determine. But the fact that we are even arguing over which new coach inherited the worst batch of talent speaks volumes for the state of our football program in general. I have to be hopeful that at some point in my lifetime one of these coaches is going to build a true program with real sustainable success. Is Gill that coach? I don't know, but neither does anyone else.

JayHawkFanToo 11 years, 10 months ago

khummel60, My point was that KU should not have had to settle for coach with the experience, or should I say inexperience, of Turner Gill. KU has now (thanks Lew) top facilities in all major sports, was 2 years removed from 12-1 season and BCS Bowl win, a "Coach of the Year" coach, plays in one of the top conferences, and it pays extremely well. KU should no be looking at inexperienced (at the big boys level) coaches with potential, but rather at experienced (again, at the big boys level) coaches with great resumes; anything less than that is selling the programs short. I agree that KU might not have the best players, but not being ready for the game against NDS falls straight on HC Gill shoulders, whom to my dismay, has not taken responsibility and has benched his starting me, it screams panic and inexperience...wouldn't you agree?

khummel60 11 years, 10 months ago

I agree with everything you said except "it screams panic and inexperience". I think his decision to bench Pick is understandable under the circumstances. I don't see that decision as evidence of panic or inexperience, but evidence of a coach who is simply trying to find the best players for each position. Some players play differently than they practice. Sounds like Pick may be one of those players.

I do agree, however, that the team should have been better prepared for that first game, and that points directly to the coaching staff. I also agree that Gill should have publicly accepted at least some (if not all) of the blame for his teams lack of preparation. That he didn't bothers me.

I guess the big difference between me and you (and evidently a large number of KU fans) is that I'm not willing to give up on Gill and his staff just yet. I'm not making excuses for him. I've just decided to let this thing play out before I jump to any conclusions.

I too wish we would have gotten one of the big-name coaches. But for all the success we had under MM, I think most coaches still view Kansas as a stepping stone, not a final destination. So maybe our best hope is to bring in a promising young coach who will surround himself with great assistants, who is a great recruiter, and who is committed to building the program long-term. Someone Gill? Not trying to be a smart axe, just trying to be realistic.

justinryman 11 years, 10 months ago

With your line of thinking, KU should have never hired an assistant only coach in Roy Williams, and Mark Mangino??? Could you please give me thier big boy level coaching experience before they got to KU? MM never was a head coach at any college before KU, he was an assistant at KSU and OU, just like Gill who was an assistant at NU and even in the pros for one year at Greenbay, and a few years head coaching at Buffalo. So he is actually more qualified to be a coach than Mangino ever was by your logic. Right?

Kenneth Hillman 11 years, 10 months ago

No. MM was a big part of a national championship at OU and a very competitive team in KSU. GREAT experience at both programs. No head coaching experience but big game coaching and was also an Assistant Coach of the Year

JayHawkFanToo 11 years, 10 months ago

Completly different circumstances, wouldn't you agree? Let 's see...when Mangino was hired, KU was replacing a nice guy but awful coach, Terry Allen, the athletic director was Al "he squashed me like a dove" Bohl, the football facilities were at the bottom of the conference, the cupboard WAS bare, and the pay was not that good. KU's FB program was a wreck and the only candidates were small time HC and assistant coaches with potential but no big time HC experience...hence Mark Mangino. Now, move the clock to 2010...KU is replacing former Coach of the Year, it is 2 years removed from a 12-1 season and a BCS Bowl win, it has top of the line facilities, the AD was just selected Sport Executive of the Year (including professional sports) and more than doubled the school's sports budget in his tenure, and the job now pays extremely well (HC Gill initial salary was, at the time, higher than Pellini). Now, would you agree that KU could have hired a much bigger name coach in 2010?

Do you still think my logic is flawed?

Now, would you like me to tell you about the conditions leading to the hiring of Roy Williams?

gardenjay 11 years, 10 months ago

What a bunch of whining back-seat drivers. Oh, I mean KU basketball fans. Why not grow a pair and become KU football fans, the downtrodden, root-for-the-underdog fans that show up in the rain and bleed blue, that stay at the game to the last play whether ahead by 50 points or behind by 50 points that this team needs?

I'm starting to think most of you are posing as Jayhawk fans using jayhawk-like monikors to make yourselves look loyal. Are you from Nigeria? Are these negative posts computer generated? Crimony!

Now I say again, if you are human go do some harvesting or foraging and then come back with a more positive attitude and support your TEAM!!! GO KU!!!

HEGhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I agree I've only been alive 23 years but I'm a hard core Jayhawks fan. Even if they go 0-12 I'll be one for the next 50 years which I'm sure will be filled with various results. This is the 2010 Jayhawk football team. Just like the late 80's early 90's we were terrible peaked in 95 at 10-2. Then went down again to a terrible late 90's early 2000's and peaked in 07 12-1. It's the life a of a basketball power with football as a 2 month distraction. You have to take the good with the bad. It could be worse we could be Iowa state or baylor and never experience anything more the borderline mediocrity. Or worse be completely mediocre or worse at all revenue sports like 90% of the country. It's years like this where we need to switch gears and remember the rivalries are really intense because its all we're playing for. We're fortunate to have experienced the success we had in football in 07 but that by no means makes us a football power.

Yes saturdays loss was terrible and inexcusable by any division 1 team. But give Gill time he's not just changing a offensive scheme, he's trying to change the culture of a program accustomed to sporadic success to one that fosters sustained success. That means changing who we recruit, how we recruit them and the expectations of them. He's emphasizing a program, not individuals, that can keep chugging when pieces change or fall off like the Alabamas and Texas's of the world. Hence the moves of opurum and others. It doesn't happen over night. We as a fan base tend to deify the rare good football players that grace us with their talent and lose sight of the bigger picture whats the best way this talent can help our Program win short and long term.

We weren't expecting to do anyrthing this year anyways so whats a loss to NDSU going to matter in 50 yrs? or even 5 yrs? everyone needs calm down and watch what Gill does. The jury is still out on Gill for me too but I'm giving him a chance to dare I say build KU football in his own image.

gardenjay 11 years, 10 months ago

Wise beyond your years, HEGhawk - and a true fan.

PACKMAN5611 11 years, 10 months ago

JVZMaN man is correct! I too watched Webb all the way through high school. So I may be biased when it comes to him playing over Pick. I was at the spring game and watched Pick throw. He is not as accurate or have as big of an arm as Webb his feet are the intangible. Webb is a great leader and has supreme confidence and believes he can get the job done in any situation! True he is not as good of a runner as Pick but if you can find the open man better all the big running game plans will open up during the game a little quicker. It even makes the o-line better blockers when the d-line is looking for the pass. I am sure Webb benefited from the pass first play calling at the end of the game but isn't that what the QB is suppossed to do. Take advantage of the situation. Mistakes will come from both QB's but that is the maturation process. Did anyone really believe that we would be world beaters this year? NDSU is a good program (yes we should have beat them) but big schools lose like this every year!! It is all about where we go from here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

khummel60 11 years, 10 months ago

Thank you gardenjay and HEGhawk and others who have resisted the gloom-and-doom nonsense of certain posters, and have put this in its proper perspective. I really don't understand the point of some folks who call for Gill to be fired right now, or emphatically state that they will not support the team until Gill is fired, or they will root against the team just to expedite Gill's departure. Do these folks have any concept of how disruptive and damaging that would actually be, and how ridiculous we would look if we fired our coach after one loss? It's absurd! I get it - allot of you don't like Gill, and you never did, and you wanted KU to hire some other coach, and because you didn't get your way your going to make a nuisance of yourself. Seriously, what's the point? Gill is our coach, and will be for this entire season (and probably the next). You don't have to agree with everything he does, but you do have to give him a chance. One game, no matter how ugly it was, is not enough time to draw conclusions.

And some of you really need to stop harping on the uniforms. Your calling Gill out for not being tough enough in one breath, then getting all upset about his lack of fashion sense in the next. Seriously? I don't like that he took the names off the uniforms either, but do you really think that's an important issue in the grand scheme of things?

As for the quarterback change, I believe Coach Gill made the right call with this change. He said all along that you don't really know how a Quarterback is going to play until you get them into a real game. I agree, and I thought Webb had a better game presence when he went in and did some things Pick didn't. First, Webb displayed a stronger arm. When your struggling to run the ball, or when Defenses are stacking against the run or the underneath passes, it's useful to be able to stretch the field, and Webb can do that better than Pick. Second, as another poster pointed out, Webb demonstrates better scrambling ability. While Pick is faster, Webb seems better able to scramble out of the pocket and throw on the run - an important attribute when your OL is struggling. Third, Webb did a better job of moving his head and didn't stare down his receivers. That interception Pick threw in the end-zone was about him not seeing the entire field in real-time, and the fact he telegraphed where he was gong to throw the ball. Finally, Webb seemed to energize the team in a way Pick never did. That may be unfair, since Webb had virtually nothing to lose and everything to gain, and the team was desperate at that point for a spark. Nonetheless, I think it speaks to Webb's leadership qualities and the game-time intangibles Gill has referred to.

FSUJHAWK 11 years, 10 months ago

Three things:

1) What's more disheartening- Bandwagon and insensitive KU fans, or, the KU Football TEAM losing its first match to a FCS school under a new head coach?

2) What's more challenging- Placating ignorant football fans who do not understand what it takes to build a program, or, HCBS making it pass the first round of the NCAA Tourney in his first two years on the job with an All American and a handful of blue chippers, respectively?

3) What's more rewarding- Building a successful KU football program that is not perfect but is respected, wins nationally and not a blimp on the radar (a la 2008), or, ?a KU football program winning a 6 games every year against mediocre teams (including our rivals)?

If you opined the first answer to each question then you deserve the respect of our beloved university and all who bleed crimson and blue, however, if you opined the second answer to either question then you might as well be cheering for the other team.

Trust and support HCTG, his staff and our student-atheletes with as much passion and positivity as we all did for HCBS, and the same, in his first two years here at KU!


KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

Yup, yup, yup. I think it was Nikki Sixx who said, "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Where was the noise Saturday when the 'Hawks were on defense? Chiefs fans are a pretty dumb lot, but they at least understand that. Stand up and cheer!

OCJHAWK 11 years, 10 months ago

Lets see, TG = HCBS. You are unbelievable.

KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

I know. He actually suggested KU fans should support football the same way they support basketball. Burn him!

OCJHAWK 11 years, 10 months ago

Without going through the resume here why don't you look them up.

KCHawk81 11 years, 10 months ago

I'm with you. I'll only support the coaches with good resumes from now on.

Jeff Coffman 11 years, 10 months ago

Let's understand this right. Bill Self played for a DI basketball school similar to Turner Gill. Gill probably has the edge. Bill Self was an assistant on KU for 5 years and OSU for another 7 years. Turner Gill only was an assistant at one university, but had more championship experience.

Now the head coaching experience. Bill Self was hired by Oral Roberts University 4 years he turned around a program with a 55-54 record including a post season NIT bid. Similar to Turner Gill, which had a 20-30 record at Buffalo and turned around the program and got to one post season bid.

Now here is where it stops, rather than going from a MAC to a Big XII. Bill Self compiled additional respect and proved his staying power. First he went to a neighbor, Tulsa University for four years, where he went 74-27 including a 32-5 record in his final year with an elite eight appearance. But was that good enough to land a "premier job" the answer was not yet. It was enough to land him a job at Illinois. Where he had a 78-24 record including 3 Big 10 championships and 3 invites to the post season, including an Elite 8 appearance.

This was finally enough to land the Premier job.

Now I am not saying that KU is a premier job for Football. But if I look at the track that Bill Self took, Turner Gill skipped the step of going from ORU to Tulsa, but rather jumped to Illinois.

Bill Self had a proven track record prior to coming to KU and has continued that trademark. Turner Gill, I don't think has had that same track record, and hasn't proven himself at multiple universities prior to the KU job, so when someone compares TG and BS together, the comparison is far apart.

I don't think TG needed the resume of Bill Self to actually get the job, but I would have liked a winning record and some proof at a couple of schools prior to joining KU. The only advantadge we have, is if he is successful here, most likely he will stay here for a long time. Nebraska was smart enough to let him prove himself at a few schools before taking that risk.

khummel60 11 years, 10 months ago

It's interesting how some of these postings get distorted. I really don't think the original poster meant to say that TG = HCBS. I think he/she merely suggested that we give Gill the same amount of time and patience we gave Self - that's all.

As for your well researched and well written analogy, I dare say if Gill had not skipped the football equivalent of ORU and Tulsa, there would be no way Kansas could lure him. And when you say "Nebraska was smart enough to let him prove himself" - that's because Nebraska IS one of those Premier football schools. I'm a very proud Jayhawk, but I have to admit that Kansas is a long, long way from being a premier football school.

I'm beginning to think that Orange Bowl year did more harm than good because there seems to be a fantasy in allot of Jayhawk minds that Kansas is now a football powerhouse. I won't say we are the ORU or Tulsa of the football world (using your analogy), but we are allot closer to that than we are to a premier program like Nebraska. In that sense, maybe we were actually very lucky to get Gill.

Jaminrawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Wow. I don't know whether to be alarmed that after months and months of training, Gill misjudged so badly on the game plan for the NDSU game or relieved that he actually made changes. Hard to believe a guy that's been coaching as an assistant and head coach for so long would misfire out of the gate so fast. God help KU fans if G-Tech blows KU out this Saturday. It's already hard to read anything about KU football this week ... week freaking TWO.

steamboat 11 years, 10 months ago

I was hoping Toben was coming back to the offense. But no Gill will wait until we get our asses embarrassed by Ga Tech, So. Miss, New Mexico St and all the Big 12 teams and then it will be a "woulda-coulda-shoulda" situation!!! You know our offense is in trouble when Long sez our offensive strengths are our receivers....OUCH. Days of futility are back at KU, losing streak will reach 19 in the blink of an eye!!!!!!!

tis4tim 11 years, 10 months ago

Yes, the loss this past week was a bad one. But, in making this switch this early, Gill has shredded the confidence of one QB, heaped a ton more pressure on the shoulders of his successor, and has basically admitted he made an error in judgment by appointing Pick as his starter. Not exactly the way you want to start your tenure.

I realize the short season doesn't give you a lot of time to stick with something that isn't working, but one game is an awfully small sample size. Plus, Gill saw enough of Pick in practice to give him the starting nod. I think he deserves a shot to redeem himself this week. Besides, with GT coming to town as a ranked team, we're not expected to win. Why not let Pick go out there and play without the added pressure of opening weekend and the high expectations and let him regain his confidence? If he falters again, or makes too many mistakes then make the switch.

So many have talked about this being a rebuilding year and the cupboard being bare. If that's the case, then what is the pressure to win now, other than Gill just trying to get that first win out of the way? This year should be an exercise in building for next year and the year after. It makes no sense to haphazardly throw in guys at key positions to get an extra win or two at the expense of team morale. That said, I think the Perkins debacle has made Gill's situation more urgent than it was a day ago.

I hope this move works.

jaymar74 11 years, 10 months ago

Webb did a better job with decisive reads and quick releases. Pick looked less sure of himself than the way Webb carried himself into and out of the huddle. Gill said from day one that he didn't know how a player would respond to a game until we had a game. Now he saw and made the switch. Pick may be the better practice field QB and Webb the better game day QB. Can we give this team a chance (3 or 4 games) before we abandon them.

jrbill67 11 years, 10 months ago

so after months of practice, the starting QB is not good enough to start??????? Is that on the coaching staff or the QB?

khummel60 11 years, 10 months ago

Neither. The coaching staff couldn't have known how either quarterback was going respond to game pressure until they actually played a game. They also couldn't have known how the OL was going play, minus Hatch and Spikes, until a real game. Now they have a much better idea. Now we'll see how Webb fares in a real game. He may stink, or he may look like the next Reesing - we don't know. Not to beat a dead horse, but there are certain things you can't evaluate in practice or in a scrimmage. I suspect Webb will play with a little more abandon than Pick, which means he will likely give up some interceptions but he will also make some big plays. Will it translate to a better result on the scoreboard? We don't know yet.

justinryman 11 years, 10 months ago

After a full year of starting at all but two games last season, Nebraska's starting QB Lee is now 3rd on the depth chart? Did they mishandle all of last season then?

I'm with hummel60 on this one, the coaches had no idea how each QB would handle the pressure of a game. yeah Pick played last year for a few snaps, and most were not in situations that would matter.

Ben Kane 11 years, 10 months ago

i just hope our fans show up and get loud on Saturday. Games are played on the field so let's get out there and support our team!

slowplay 11 years, 10 months ago

The blame lies squarely on Mangino. Neither Pick or Webb are D1 QB's.

TKHAWK 11 years, 10 months ago

If Pick is looking to stay on the field, any chance he can pull a Kerry Meier and become a slot receiver? He knows all the routes. Sure worked out well for Reesing and Meier, but Webb and Pick aren't Ressing and Meier. Just a thought. I don't know if Pick had any receiver experience in Dodge, but he's fast as lightening.

areyouserious 11 years, 10 months ago

Everybody should be betting 2 large on Gtech -13.5 on saturday.....easy cover...hate to say it!

boknowssports 11 years, 10 months ago

no doubt, the jayhawks will go down by 4 touchdowns in this one. gill was a terrible hire.

CaramelMacchMan 11 years, 10 months ago

Pick is the right fit, Gill is wrong here. But we'll see.

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