Thursday, September 9, 2010


NDSU coach rips KU

Coach Craig Bohl went on the record to say he wasn't impressed with the KU football team this weekend.


Don’t be surprised if the back of the new massive Memorial Stadium scoreboard is fitted for corkboard today. The insults dumped on the Kansas University football team in the wake of a 6-3, season-opening loss to North Dakota State are far too plentiful to fit on any bulletin board.

The latest shot to the ribs comes from an unusual source, a coach who doesn’t speak in platitudes, a coach who goes back a long way with Turner Gill, a man who could use a friend or two coming to his aid at the moment.

North Dakota State coach Craig Bohl just might be in danger of drawing a flag for piling on, not to mention telling the naked truth, frowned upon in the football coaching fraternity.

Speaking on The’s weekly “In the FCS Huddle” segment, Bohl shared just how unimpressed he was with KU.

“I think the environment that we're going to play in Cedar Falls (Iowa) is going to be much more of a hostile environment than Memorial Stadium in Kansas,” Bohl said. “That was pretty docile. And the type of team that we’re going to be playing is going to be a much more physical, aggressive football team than KU.”

How do you really feel, Craig?

“And, quite frankly, I think we’re going to be playing a better opponent,” Bohl continued. “I know one school is in the Big 12 and the other one is in the Missouri Valley. I think that gives an indication on how we see Missouri Valley play and the respect we give Northern Iowa.”

The Kansas football team was just called soft by a coach from a lower-division team that went 3-8 a year ago. If that doesn’t stir pride, passion, pure anger, then nothing will. Emotions can go a long way for a football team, even one in a transition phase, one that can’t decide on a quarterback, a running back, the makeup of the offensive line, one desperately searching when the calendar says it should be more concerned with destroying.

Coaching transitions in college football are tough, and when they involve going from a tough taskmaster to a more nurturing leader, the athletes sometimes breathe a sigh of relief and relax a little too much.

Trying to put his finger on what went wrong and how it can be fixed, running back/captain Angus Quigley said, “When times get rough in practice and people are fatigued, we can’t take shortcuts and maybe not run as hard and things like that. It’s the little things in practice that people might be getting away with that are carrying over into the game.”

Nobody likes to get embarrassed. The players and coaching staff were embarrassed together, which ought to draw their circle a little tighter. Athletes tend to look to coaches to lead them out of such situations, a factor that will make Gill’s words louder this week.

“They’re great guys,” Quigley said of the coaches. “They’re mentors and leaders. They’re not only trying to grow us as football players, but also as young men, and you can’t help but respect that.”

Actions speak louder than words. If Quigley and teammates respect the new coaches as much as they say, they’ll give a better effort Saturday against a terrific Georgia Tech team.


davelass 12 years, 3 months ago

Does anyone else think this smells like a gimick to fire up his team? I'm going to go out on a limb and say Bohl and Gill had a nice long chat on Monday and this might have been a favor to Gill to light at least a fuse in the football teams a$$...In all honestly it's going to be a miracle if they hold Georgia Tech to less than 300 yards the first half....are you kidding me...playing defense against the option is all about assignment football...we looked like we couldn't even figure out where the butt pad goes on Saturday...

 Dear KU Football, please take your skirts off, grow a pair, and let them hang on Saturday...excuses are like are not boys anymore and mommy doesn't need to pat you on the butt and tell you how special it is everytime you bring your finger paintings home. PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG!

Joseph Kuebel 12 years, 3 months ago

Ya...Gill must have paid NDSU coach to say this...Ya right dude... That's the most ridiculous thing I have heard in some time. There is no way this comment was made because Gill asked him to, or as any sort of "favor" as you try and say... Hah good try. No. Try again please!

jhawki 12 years, 2 months ago

could not have been said better. Time to quit giving trophys for participation and actually compete.

Jeffery Barrett 12 years, 2 months ago

davelASS, you have no clue....about anything! That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard! No coach would ever do something like that. You must never had played any sport of any kind to say something that......bizarre!

KGphoto 12 years, 2 months ago

Oh, he has a clue. It's the first thing that crossed my mind too. Bohl is firing his opponents up for week 2. And it certainly doesn't hurt him to fire up KU as well. If KU comes out and starts playing ball, his win looks that much more impressive. The fact that he goes back with TG just makes it that much more possible.

Max Ledom 12 years, 2 months ago

Just thought I would say, we have no reason to be mad at our defense. They did a pretty dang good job Saturday. Even if it was D-2.

Ron Prichard 12 years, 2 months ago

I have to disagree. Our defense didn't look dominant, which it should have against a D2 school. We didn't get pressure on the QB without sending 5 or more guys. We consistently let them out of third and long by playing passive. Our D backs continue to play 10-12 yards off the line and their first move is still backwards. We just didn't look tough. More than stopping NDSU, they stopped themselves. Our defense needs to bring some serious heat. They need to get excited and show some energy and make some big hits. I didn't see any of that on Saturday. I don't know if it is the scheme or the players, but it definitely needs to improve.

ibleedred 12 years, 2 months ago

My thoughts exactly. Seems like it worked pretty well considering what the outcome was vs. Georgia tech today. Turner is a top notch coach and things are only going to get better for KU with him at the helm. Give him some time.

sava12 12 years, 2 months ago

Hmmm....interesting prediction. GT can put up the points but I think KU will put a bigger fight than expected.

klineisanazi 12 years, 3 months ago

Nice to hear someone in sports say what he thinks in clear, unambiguous terms. Of course he has ulterior motives, primarily motivating his team, which is probably feeling pretty good about itself. A "docile" environment and an unagressive football team. Who can argue with that analysis? If anything, he went easy on KU .

blackhawkjayhawk 12 years, 2 months ago

The truth hurts. I didn't even realize that NDSU went 3-8 last year. Thanks - I needed another kick in the groin. This is one of the worst losses in KU history - along with Self's trifecta of 2-round losses.

Dirk Medema 12 years, 2 months ago

Actually, it is 2 - 1st round and 2 - 2nd round losses to go with a Sweet 16, Elite 8 and a NC. 13 - 6

HawkDigestCom 12 years, 2 months ago

Now that you're back to square zero, it's going to be a real challenge, but I'd put changing the environment at Memorial near the top of the list for the next A.D. It's a strange phenomena -- best attendance in the last half of this decade, but not as loud as it was in 2003 or 2004 or even really during the Mason years.

Tip: Building the Gridiron Club does not change the environment.

truefan 12 years, 2 months ago

It would wall off the sound and force it back in the stadium just like the press box does IF the season ticket holders would get off their @ss and make some noise every once in a while.

KU_FanSince75 12 years, 2 months ago

Unfortunately, (and a lot of folks in Jayhawk Nation don't want to hear this) this kind of quote from an opposing coach will be all too common until the football Jayhawks start taking over games, dominating games, making a statement on the field, competing in games and finally winning the games. Don't want to hear these kind of quotes? Stop being nice to each other and play some football.

That's the way it is right now!

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

Ask him this, "Do you know what you just ffing did? You fumbled the ball TWICE. Hold on to the ffin ball! Be a ffin man!"

Brad Avery 12 years, 2 months ago

Total lack of class. Missed field goals and dropped passes are not indicative of a "soft team." He seemed to be as concerned about the lack of rowdiness from the KU fans than anything else. I guess the kids should go back to chanting "tear his f_ng head off" during kickoffs." I assume NDSU picked their check up after the game, despite their unhappiness with our "docile" enviornment. KU was playing North Dakota State, not Missouri.

Dirk Medema 12 years, 2 months ago

Dropped passes would be a sign of a soft team. Add to it an OL being run over by an undersized DL, lazy route running by WR's (see Jesse's gret analysis article), ...

Very true that we could have run away with this game - IF we had given a better effort and played with more intensity.

Being intense doesn't mean being vulgar, anymore than being intense needs to mean being abusive (to your players).

The coach's comments have nothing to do with being happy or not. He's plenty happy with the W and $. He's also very accurate in recognizing that future teams will bring much greater intensity to the field than they saw on Saturday.

Andy Tweedy 12 years, 2 months ago

Thanks, dagger for pointing to Jesse's article. I was at the game Saturday and was busy following the ball. But I kept asking myself "how can it be that someone isn't open downfield?" Lazy route running would make sense.

lawrence_is_my_middle_name 12 years, 2 months ago

Agreed! Idiot comment to rip on our crowd. Yeah it sucked, but what crowd in the nation won't be docile while struggling to pull away from, then eventually losing to, North Dakota State? It was not the fans fault, they had nothing to cheer about.

orbiter 12 years, 2 months ago

Our crowd deserved to be ripped. It was docile from the get-go. No energy at all. It was like a lazy picnic in the park even during the first kickoff. KU fans just do not understand how to be good football fans. Or maybe they do and just don't care. The crowd was as bad as the team, and the team was brutal.

Jeff Hargate 12 years, 2 months ago

We have a gynormous jumbotron and used it a total of 3 times the entire game to fire up the crowd...that is including the pre-game video. Also, get rid of the smile cam...or at least change the music that goes along with it. What a buzz kill. The lackluster performance didn't help either. Maybe we should all do a better job this Saturday of cheering, playing and queing up some sweet kick a$$ videos!! Rock Chalk!

notaubermime 12 years, 2 months ago

I would be much more worried about the NDSU coach's words if his team had managed to gain more than 168 total yards or hadn't benefited from 3 turnovers and 2 missed field goals. As bad as KU played in all of the other aspects, NDSU still needed KU's mistakes to win. His job is to motivate his players and keep them focused on the next opponent and his words reflect that.

Quigley's words, to me, are much more disturbing. Coaches need to be on top of that type of behavior, not permissive of it.

Dyrk Dugan 12 years, 2 months ago

so much for the Nebraska brotherhood of coaches.....good grief, talk about throwing your old friend under the bus.

believe me, the atmosphere at Memorial stadium would have been more than "docile" if the football team had actually done something on the field. and Mr. Bohl, your team kicked two field goals...and with turnovers, and a bad decision by our CB, we basically gave you both of them.

so against that not very aggressive, non physical KU team, you could only muster 170 yards of offense. Sure you sprung the upset....and that should be good enough. these post game comments, days after the fact, are not professional. it all comes around Mr. ALL comes around.

Rivethead 12 years, 2 months ago

You must have been in the bathroom when the little FCS players ran right over our players and marched down the field. The only thing that saved us was an Isiah Barfield interception in the endzone. We got lucky the score wasn't worse.

Ben Ward 12 years, 2 months ago

No, it seems that you must have been in the bathroom when they got the ball (on that very possession) after blocking a punt.

NebraskaJayhawk 12 years, 2 months ago

That's where a lot of KU football fans don't get it, mvjayhawk. It shouldn't take "good" play to get the crowd fired up. Have some pride and make some noise regardless of how the team is playing at the moment.

OCJHAWK 12 years, 2 months ago

NB, are you a fan that has ever gone to any sporting games to understand psychology, or just a blogger and TG cheerleader. When a team shows passion and energy, win or lose the crowd senses this and responds in kind. This team acted like it wanted the game to end so they could go to the wheel or wherever and pick up girls.

Aaron Carpenter 12 years, 2 months ago

OCJ- I would tend to agree to w/ nebj. There is just something that is and always has been missing from Memorial Stadium, a real football crowd. Too many people are worried about messing up their North Face coat or spilling cheese on their skinny jeans. I was not there last week but will this week and I bet I get told several times on a def 3rd down to sit down. As much as I hate the Huskers, going to a game there is a whole other world, much like (although not nearly as sweet) heading into Allen. I think that no matter how much talent KU gets, having a soft, weak crowd translates onto the field. You have to have the atmosphere before the product can shine.

OCJHAWK 12 years, 2 months ago

Before Brown Allen wasn't that different. So I don't buy that excuse. Make the game exciting and the sourpusses think twice before the sit down comments. I have also attrended many USC games and their fans are not the SEC like drunk and rabbid types and it hasn't kept them from being a perennial top 5 team. Don't blame the crowd for the teams performance.

OCJHAWK 12 years, 2 months ago

Did you go to the Orange Bowl? Our fans were every bit as passionate as the VT fans. Put a good team out there and KU fans will be as good as any.

ibleedku 12 years, 2 months ago

You are dead wrong with your analysis. Prime example...KSU... During the Ron Prince era...they stunk...flat out...but their stadium was sold out every home game and they still created a VERY hostile environment for opposing teams to play in. It shouldn't matter that we only played NDSU. Why should it take us playing MU to get loud and create an unreal football experience? Another example....the KC Chiefs. They've been bad ever since Vermeil left, yet....Arrowhead is still regarded around the league as one of the most hostile and intimidating stadiums to play in. Why?? It's definitely not the team out on the field....its the fans. Try creating something different then just the "I'll enjoy my seat and these picturesque views" approach once in might be pleasantly surprised!

Ron Prichard 12 years, 2 months ago

You are sadly mistaken if you think KSU stadium was sold out for every home game during the Ron Prince era. Maybe for the KU game, but their attendance suffered significantly in the last year of Prince's coaching. I would agree if you stated that the fans that actually attended the game were probably much louder than fans at Memorial Stadium.

And as for the analysis to the Chiefs, I don't think anyone really believes Arrowhead has been regarded as one of the most intimidating stadiums the last few years. Hopefully, that will change again very soon.

I definitely agree with your assessment that it is the fans. It made me sick when I would stand up on third downs last Saturday and I was one of the few in my section. And I am in the section right next to the the student section. I was totally disappointed in our fans.

Aaron Carpenter 12 years, 2 months ago

Yes I did go to the Orange Bowl, but those of us that were there are true fans, not those that show up on Saturdays for social hour. That was a GREAT atmosphere down there, even though the weather sucked.

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

You're right. The players should be able to feed off 110 decibels. When KU fans do get loud its louder than Arrowhead. They're a bunch of light weights right now.

OCJHAWK 12 years, 2 months ago

This BB school only attitude is why we will end up in a non BCS league in 2-3 years.

Tony Bandle 12 years, 2 months ago

I hate to admit it, but I think you're right on!!

yed 12 years, 2 months ago

You hit the nail squarely on the head, NebraskaJayhawk.

Tell you what, our football team absolutely needed to hear this, and so did we as fans. We were pretty pathetic on Saturday. People get mad at the student section for being rowdy and noisy and I find that hilarious. Next time I go to a game, I'm sitting there because the wine and cheese crowd in the north bowl made me nauseous.

ibleedku 12 years, 2 months ago

<p> should add a "like" button....good comment yed.

Kenneth Hillman 12 years, 2 months ago

Nobody gets mad at the student section for being rowdy and noisy. People get made at the student section for the "rip his f'n head off" cheer on kickoffs (which we didn't hear much last Saturday due to lack of point scoring) and for leaving the game early. Not sure where you get being too rowdy and noisy out of that.

Joe Ross 12 years, 2 months ago

Gill needs to swallow his pride and run Toben.

mtdewjunkie 12 years, 2 months ago

did i miss something? toben opurum isnt that good. he is not a program changing talent. dont know how he will turn out as a linebacker, but tight end might be a good fit.

Andrew Moore 12 years, 2 months ago

KU will be back in a couple years, Gill will right the ship.

You think NDSU will want to schedule us then? I say we go to their house and play them in 2013

Alan Williams 12 years, 2 months ago

No, he won't. He's an average coach at best.

phxbison 12 years, 2 months ago

Lets scedule it ! We should be much better by then, since this year we have 16 freshmen and redshirt freshmen on our two deep depth chart. Eight of them saw playing time against you last Saturday.

jgh 12 years, 2 months ago

My God, God!!

After one game, we're reduced to the level that North Dakota St (!!!!) fans believe that they have a superior program and are trolling with comparisons of future rosters.

Twit, "you" got the win due to missed FGs and turnovers by a depleted and injured roster. "You" were still badly outgained in yardage. A classic fluke. Please don't strut in here trying to convince us that your program is superior.

Joseph Kuebel 12 years, 2 months ago

No chance we will play at NDSU in the next 15 years...FCS schools (formerly D-2 schools) get paid to play versus us.

Martin Rosenblum 12 years, 2 months ago

To paraphrase several of the above comments: If we were such an uninspired, soft team, why didn't they, or couldn't they exploit those weaknesses and run the score up to ,maybe, a 14 point higher margin? Knowing what we now know about their coach's lack of retraint, it should have been simple to go for the kill!

A more effective tactic in pumping the team up could be to offer Tyshawn Taylor up as a sacrificial lamb. Best practice players get to face him in fball gear on the field and use him in drills before the next game. What.....? He would have pads on!

gongs4ku 12 years, 2 months ago

Hey, no insulting the jayhawks. That's our job!

Martin Rosenblum 12 years, 2 months ago

Craig Bohl/Al Bohl, any relationship here? Or, am I just out of the loop?

Jaminrawk 12 years, 2 months ago

Who can blame him. He's not exactly lying. It hurts to hear but if NIU beats them, he's technically right.

jayhawkinATL 12 years, 2 months ago

I would put my $$$ on UNI against us. Hell, they are in the top 10 of the FCS. Good thing (for us) we don't have a return game at NDSU.

justinryman 12 years, 2 months ago

It's quotes like that, that are keeping Bohl from getting a coaching job at a D1 school. He has been knocked for this type of thing in the past, his adultism isn't very good and no AD will take a chance on that.

Just shows his lack of class, appearantly he slept through some of Tom Osborn's coaches meetings.

kureader 12 years, 2 months ago

You're exactly right. Bohl has no class. You don't motivate your team by talking to the media. You do it with the doors closed. No smart coach mouths off in front of the media. It's just stupid. Bohl was a Lincoln, Nebraska kid who walked on at NU. He didn't play as a defensive back. He did get his degree, but it took him 6 years. He's not a rocket scientist, but he is an over achiever ... and so, now, is his team. He had them ready to play. Let's hope our guys our ready to play this weekend against Georgia Tech ... right now, the 14 point spread looks too low.

Kip Reiserer 12 years, 2 months ago

It's amazing to see how many fans jump ship after one game. I know expectations are high based on the past couple of years and I am one of those people who desperately want a good football team but I think we all have to realize that we are rebuilding and gaining experience. Crappy and embarrassing loss no doubt but at least let them play a couple games before you put them all down. Stay behind your team.

gongs4ku 12 years, 2 months ago

I don't care for the idea that expressing some negativity makes someone less of a fan than someone who is always smiles and rainbows.

The jayhawks suck this year. If they want people to not say they suck, they should probably suck less.

That said, I watch the games, I wear the blue, I go to at least a game or two a year when I can get into an area where they're playing. I'm a fan. I just happen to be a fan of a sucky team, this year.

Kip Reiserer 12 years, 2 months ago

I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I'm not saying if you're criticizing your team you're any less of a fan, that's what sports are all about. I'm talking about the people who say Gill shouldn't be the coach after one game. It's been one game with most of Mangino's players. Let's give it time.

shelleysue 12 years, 2 months ago

Too many KU fans like to sit in their seats and complain about everything. After the miserable season we had in 2009, we changed our seats so we weren't being told constantly to sit down and shut up. Well guess what. Now we have different people telling us to sit down. Good grief people, it's a SPORTING EVENT. If you want to sit down and complain about everything the coaches and players are doing, PLEASE do it at home. Let me enjoy my $300 season ticket in peace. How are we going to create a hostile environment when the majority of "fans" do nothing but sit on their butts and complain? Really. What are we supposed to do??!!

shelleysue 12 years, 2 months ago

Lucky you! Oh I'll stand up and yell on Saturday even though I'll hear "down in front" about 87 times. To the people who don't want someone standing in front of them, I beg of you. Either A. Stay the hell home. B. Get a seat on the front row. C. Sit in the cushy end zone seats. You have so many choices. And FYI I've asked the ticket department. They said if you want see, you'll need to stand up.

jaymar74 12 years, 2 months ago

Everyone going to the GT game, lets try and be better alumns or fans. Lets get up, get behind these young men, show them that we, like they, are Jayhawks.

Dan Harris 12 years, 2 months ago

Spot on post. I'll sit by you and yell my head off for my Hawks anytime!

shelleysue 12 years, 2 months ago

Maybe we need to suggest separate cheering sections. One side for the "fans" who want to text, sit-down, complain, be bored, not cheer, etc. and the other side for real fans.

bton 12 years, 2 months ago

In all fairness, UNI would beat us with ease. They have a strong program, probably one of the top 3 in DI FCS. Many top DI FCS teams are better than middle of the pack DI FBS teams.

I know they smoked Iowa State last time they played (and beat them pretty often) and I watched the game last year against Iowa when they had control the entire game, and then Iowa lucked out BIG TIME by blocking two FG's on the last possession, back to back.

We just suck against the MVC.

ZDKC 12 years, 2 months ago

Not saying that UNI isn't a decent team, but they were ranked #13 in the pre-season FCS poll with NDSU at #15.

"Many top DI FCS teams are better than middle of the pack DI FBS teams. " I think this quote is a bit off. I'd say it's more like many of the top FCS teams are better than the bottom of the barrel FBS teams. This is just my 2cent, though.

uniftw 12 years, 2 months ago

NDSU wasn't ranked preseason. They are 9-13 the last two seasons. UNI was ranked 13 preseason though. NDSU jumped in the rankings after week 1, UNI stayed the same. FWIW

Dan Harris 12 years, 2 months ago

I am for KU and basketball, not with this sorry coach(Gill)???WTF??? I think I know what you meant but true fans root for their team in both good or bad times anything else is just wrong.

jayhawk2062 12 years, 2 months ago

The KU defense isn't that bad. My concern isn't keeping teams under 30 or 40's the fact that our offense might not score a touchdown all year.

We have two key lineman hurt. We also have our best running back playing defense. And now we've got a coach that doesn't have confidence in either quarterback he's playing. That's how you get to 3 points against an FCS team.

It doesn't matter how good the defense is if you can't score you can't beat anybody. I guess we'll hope that an interception gets returned on Saturday or a fumble gets returned. Or maybe some special teams success.

This offense was absolutely horrible last Saturday. Worse than anything I saw during the last decade at KU and that's the truth. And watching it live was even worse than watching the play back on TV later.

Bottom line is the only way this team wins or stays close on Saturday is 3 to 4 turnovers by GT with at least one or two of them going for touchdowns. That coupled with KU making NO big mistakes. In other words.....not looking good.

ibleedku 12 years, 2 months ago

Ok folks....the jury is in and I hate to the bearer of bad news, but Memorial Stadium does not provide a good football experience, and sadly....Allen Fieldhouse doesn't do much else to provide a good basketball experience.

I've been going to games at Memorial Stadium for the past few years, sitting both in the student section, and now as a season ticket holder in the "sit down crowd". Now don't get me wrong, its nice to sit and watch...but can we not get loud and rowdy during other parts of the game except just on 3rd down? It's sad. I've gone to highschool stadiums where there was more raucus and mayhem in the stands. You have no idea how that makes opposing teams feel; to be surrounded by pure noise and constant bombardment of chants and gestures by fans. Look around the country folks....You'll see countless stadiums on Saturday's filled with passionate fans that stand and wave team colored towels, and beat on chairs, and jump...and yell traditional chants in unison. It's sad we don't have that type of tradition, given the history of KU football (1890).

I've said this before about may be the best venue to watch a game, but its not the best venue to play one. Look around college basketball folks. Look at the "Cameron Crazies". I love how the student section surrounds the court. That's how it should be at AFH. The students at times are the only ones making noise, trying to create a hostile environment. AFH can get loud...but its definitely not the loudest. I fault the fans for that. We have the same old tired chants...can no one think of anything NEW to do at games? The KU band during basketball games counts the number of fouls an opposing player received and yells "See ya!" when they foul out. Why have the rest of the fan base not "adopted" this chant to heckle the player? Even the idiots down at KSU yell "LEFT, RIGHT, LEFT RIGHT" as an opposing player walks off the court after fouling out. They've even received notable recognition around the country for Bramlage being a very loud and intimidating arena to play in. And quite frankly....they deserve it. AFH has been slacking as of late.

If our players have lost their swagger...then I say, so have the fans. Its time to get it back, and make home field advantage here at Kansas, mean something again.

Ben Ward 12 years, 2 months ago

Say what you want about the environment at Memorial Stadium, but don't drag Allen Fieldhouse into the same discussion.

ibleedku 12 years, 2 months ago

beemer and marchphog88....I don't know either one of you...nor do I really care to...but you're probably the armchair quarterback/point guard type. Not someone I want to be around. See I like a passionate fan base...people who aren't afraid to show their emotions for the schools they love. I've earned my right to speak as I may about KU. I will drag AFH into the same discussion, because the same people who stink up the atmosphere in Memorial, are sitting in Allen.... In two seem offended by my opinion, so I must have struck a nerve. Maybe you're the type I'm speaking of. I bleed KU every minute of every day...remember that!

Sam Constance 12 years, 2 months ago

Get over yourself buddy.

Your comment about AFH not being a good basketball experience was ignorant enough.

But to follow that up with some giant assumptions about what kind of fan I am--on the basis that I don't agree with your ignorant point--is just absurd.

You shouldn't be surprised that a KU fan would be offended, or at least perplexed, by a fellow KU fan taking shots at the experience in what is generally regarded as one of the top venues to watch a game in all of college basketball. Did you strike a nerve? Sure, I guess I would call making an ignorantly critical statement about one of the best things KU has going for it would qualify.

But you err in believing that the nerve you struck has anything to do with my own passion as a KU fan. I don't need to explain myself to you, and I could care less what you bleed. Personally, you sound like some self-righteous fan who sees himself as the arbiter of all that is KU Fanhood.

Again, get over yourself.

ibleedku 12 years, 2 months ago

Ignorant: destitute in knowledge or education; lacking experience. It is because of the "knowledge", "education" and "experience" I possess, that regarding the matter at hand, I can voice my opinion.

I first attended a KU mens bball game in the late '90s (my first of several between '97-'04) and from that "experience" I can say, without a doubt, AFH was much louder and more raucus than it is today. I'm not diminishing AFH's role as the bball Mecca we all love, and cherish. Nor am I slighting its prominence and prestige. I am simply voicing what I have observed from my own practical, tangible, experience.

I can say this also because I've attended every single men's home bball game for the past 3 years. I sit on the northside of the fieldhouse, come visit sometime. I've even been fortunate enough to attend several away games, and so it is through that "experience" and "knowledge" (there are those words again) I can formulate the opinion that there are other arena's and fanbases that rival ours. There's nothing wrong with that statement, hence in my original argument, I fault the fans, not AFH. Maybe you missed that. Blame however, shouldn't rest solely on the fans. Perkins shares some blame as well. Was it not Lew who moved stapled fans who had sat courtside for years? In comes corporations with lots of $$ to buy up seats. This is why you'll see KSU/MU fans sitting courtside at games.

Away games I've attended: Iowa St's Hilton Coliseum. Louder than loud. Deafening. Don't think for one minute that it's just the student section making all of that noise. No sir. It's the entire arena. From those in the high-$$ seats, on down. Not at Allen, sadly. But they create an unreal fan experience. KSU's Bramlage. Same thing. That place is loud, loud, loud. Extremely passionate fanbase. Student section courtside. I like that. Lastly, Okie State's Gallagher-Iba. I went with a buddy of mine and the only time we could talk to each other and be heard was during Okie St free throws, half time, and when the game was over. They too have portions of the student section courtside. Here's a link if you choose to read of other notable and highly respected college bball arenas.

So, no marchphog88, I'm not surprised that someone disagreed with me, but what I am surprised at is the classless, and somewhat putrid response I received. We can agree to disagree. But let's be civil about the disagreement. Engage me in healthy debate/dialogue instead of just revoking my screenname because my opinion is different from your own. So I challenge you. Tell me what your real issue is with my argument, and we can have a conversation, civil ofcourse. We can finish it here, OR... I'll be at Saturday's game, S23, R54, Seats 8-13. You can come visit me there and we can share viewpoints. Or if you happen to live in the KC area, we can meet and discuss this over a beer.

Sam Constance 12 years, 2 months ago


Thanks for the definition of "ignorant". I'm well aware of it's meaning. I can't possibly know what experiences you've had in life--all I can do is read the opinion you've provided, and "it's not the best venue to play" sounds like the opinion of someone who doesn't know of what they speak. I apologize for assuming too much.

I do find your rant about the meaning of "ignorant" and all the experience and knowledge you possess a tad odd, considering the original point you made that I called ignorant was that AFH was not a good venue at which to play basketball. So, I must assume that you've had experience and KNOW what it's like to play basketball for the University of Kansas at AFH, given your offense at my assertion that your opinion was baseless? If, as you note, experience diffuses ignorance, then exactly what experience are you drawing upon to make your assessment of what it's like to play basketball in AFH?

But all that is really beside the point, more of a curiosity of mine.

The real point here is the fact that you find my original comment to be "classless". That's a label I have a hard time digesting. After all, my original response was a harmless jab at your screenname because I didn't agree with your opinion. No attacks on you or your character, just a snarky way of saying that I didn't agree with you.

By contrast, your response to said comment was to make assumptions about what kind of fan I am and to presume that I was the type of person you don't like to be around. Much more of a personal attack than my original comment, imho. So forgive me if I find your request for "civil conversation" to ring hollow at this point.

I really no longer have the desire to discuss the original issue--whether or not AFH is a good basketball venue at which to play games--any further at this point. I don't care to receive self-important vocabulary lessons and read a general tone that comes across like someone speaking to a preschooler. Again, it's hard to think you want any kind of "civil" discourse when you "talk" (write) down to someone to make your point.

So stay proud of the fact that you've been to every home game or whatever. I really don't know how that's relevant unless you somehow think that the frequency with which you've been to games makes your point any more correct. Unfortunately, it doesn't, as everything we're discussing here still falls into the realm of opinion. You aren't the only fan in this discussion who has been to numerous games at AFH. You're just the only one who feels the need to wield it like some sort of argument-winning weapon.

ibleedku 12 years, 2 months ago

And I thank him on your behalf as well....

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

I can agree with you about Memorial STadium, but you're a complete idiot for including Allen Field House in the same sentence. Just saying, sometimes you have to use your brain before you decide to speak.

Sam Constance 12 years, 2 months ago

Let me first say that I'm not going to sit here and play the "what if" game. KU lost the game and deserved to lose. That is the bottom line.

That being said, who the hell does this guy think he is? Motivational tactic or not, he needs a reality check. His words make it sound like his team came in and did whatever they wanted.

If memory serves, his team scraped out a 3-point win in a game when his opponent turned the ball over three times and missed two gimmie field goals. I don't think you really get to talk about how inferior your opponent is when they nearly double your yardage and you can't get into the end zone against them.

Let's call this what it was--a pathetic waste of time between two crappy football teams.

Sam Constance 12 years, 2 months ago

More to the point--what kind of d-bag coach rips the opponent he just defeated for being crappy? Can you imagine Self bagging on Emporia State or even Texas after a win?

I can't, but that might be due to the fact that Bill Self has class.

Jeffery Barrett 12 years, 2 months ago

you would be the only one wearing it. Plus it would have to size XXXXXXXXL and it would only fit Mangino.

Ron Prichard 12 years, 2 months ago

That is freaking hysterical. Point to you, sgtjb.

shelleysue 12 years, 2 months ago

Will someone who likes to stand and yell and do what they can to create a hostile environment tell me where you sit? Next year I want seats by you.

KCHawk81 12 years, 2 months ago

Student section, unfortunately. And these kids today are pretty durned quiet, too. I couldn't talk on Sunday. We all need to do our part! :)

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

The students should start yelling "Rip his ffing head off" while flipping off the chancellor!

qrex 12 years, 2 months ago

Did the NDSU coach intend to insult the KU team and its fans? Or, was he trying to encourage his team not to sit its laurels and prepare? I.e. the next opponent will put up a fierce fight; be ready.

The GTech coach is doing the same thing in preparing for KU.

d_prowess 12 years, 2 months ago

Quigley said, “When times get rough in practice and people are fatigued, we can’t take shortcuts and maybe not run as hard and things like that. It’s the little things in practice that people might be getting away with that are carrying over into the game.”

This is terrible if true. I am a Gill supporter and feel that people blow is "nice-guy" image out of proportion, but he does need to demand excellence.

khummel60 12 years, 2 months ago

I agree. Like you, I'm a Gill supporter, but I found that quote to be very unsettling.

Sam Constance 12 years, 2 months ago

Oh, did the Georgia Tech coach talk to the media about how bad South Carolina State was?

Because he would actually have more of a reason to say such a thing, given that GT beat them 41-10 rather than 6-3.

I guess part of my problem is that when you talk about how unimpressive a team is that you just beat by a pathetic score of 6-3, aren't you unavoidably implying that your own team must not be that good?

qrex 12 years, 2 months ago

But, he is no longer preparing for KU but Northern Iowa. He wants his team to think, in the next game, they are going to play the toughest game yet in the most hostile environment, and they cannot afford to ease up just because they beat a team from a BCS conference.

Sam Constance 12 years, 2 months ago

All I'm saying is that there are plenty of ways to "motivate" one's team without needing to take shots at an opponent you just defeated.

Plus, I'm still not understanding how saying "that team you just beat was crap!" motivates a player to perform. Not to mention the fact that his team managed to gain a paltry 163 yards against KU, so I'm not sure why they'd be so high on themselves unless they are just stupid.

JayhawkBigXII 12 years, 2 months ago

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sdoyel 12 years, 2 months ago

Ever occur to you that maybe Mangino recruited the "soft p*ssies"?

qrex 12 years, 2 months ago

And... And.. And, he was fat too. So, there. :'(

Vincent Patterson 12 years, 2 months ago

As far as the crowd is concerned, I sat in section 1 directly across from the NDSU fans and their itty bitty section was quite a bit rowdier than ours. I was up in the section by the scholar kids and their parents who came for that half-time recognition and it was so quiet you could have heard a gnat fart during the game. They were looking at my 4 year old like they were annoyed every time he started chanting and cheering. It was a pretty lame crowd - On that for sure. We'll have to see how it is in section 25 this weekend. Hopefully noisier.

If I'm Gill, I make dam sure we play them in their house within the next two years and repay the favor. Dam playing that Mr. nice guy stuff all the time. Your whole University, from the fans, to the team, coaches, everybody just got called out.

If these boys don't get fired up after flat out being called soft and non-aggressive, I don't know what will work and would expect a very long, horrible season. Right now looks like NMSU might be our only hope!

grandpa 12 years, 2 months ago

Kansas wins Sat. with a big upset and everyone is happy. You will all be sorry you said these ugly things.

Mangino_Maniac 12 years, 2 months ago

You forgot to start your comment with the word 'if'...

boknowssports 12 years, 2 months ago

LOL!!!!! that is classic Alice....Wonderland is right around the corner...

Dan Harris 12 years, 2 months ago

I would love to see it happen but I think it's time for you to put down the pipe.

ddelira 12 years, 2 months ago

HAHAHAHAHAHA the Jayhawks suck soooooo bad!!!!!

Dyrk Dugan 12 years, 2 months ago

it's really time to just get ready for Saturday. all of these folks, posting on this topic, get out to the stadium, and make some dadgum noise! (i know i do, and will.)

Craig Bohl shouldn't have said what he said, but he said it, and it's out there, and if the fans and coaches and then the players can't get fired up about it for the next game, we are indeed ALL soft.

Go Jayhawks!

Jayhawk1116 12 years, 2 months ago

I only wish KU fans were as passionate in the stands as they are on message boards. We have the lamest fans ever. This coach is absolutely right. There are way tougher atmospheres than Memorial. Everyone knows to get loud on the opposing teams third down, but it is totally acceptable to be loud for Every Play. You think K-State fans have to be told this? Mizzou fans? No. We have to entice students with free Xboxes if they stay until the 4th quarter. Lame Students, lame Alumni. Go to a K-State game and see how you're supposed to support a team. So sad.

KCHawk81 12 years, 2 months ago

Anyone who doesn't realize this was not at the k-state game in...2005, I think. One of the best football games I've been to--the fans showed up and helped to cause more than a couple delay-of-game penalties. That should be a given, every single game.

Andrew Moore 12 years, 2 months ago

I think the track around the field really hurts the atmosphere.

I hate to say it, but the KSU stadium is a better atmosphere b/c the fans are right on top of the field. Its so much more intimate and its easier to get the crowd into it.

They have got to pump up the volume of the announcers and the videos thats for sure! I think that would help a lot!

MarloStanfield 12 years, 2 months ago

The team comes before the ain't like the chicken and the egg. Establish excellence and the people come, and cheer. Anytime the focus is on the fans wow the team must suck.

Benjamin Piehler 12 years, 2 months ago

i was always more of a fan of Avon Barksdale/ Stringer Bell. seriously though I can watch the wire year round.

Benjamin Piehler 12 years, 2 months ago

lets see their coach say any of that after going to a big hoops game in the field house. lawrence isnt a football town, period. its basketball Mecca. anyway, I say who cares... its NDSU, and its KU football.... next week everyone will forget that coach was ever born.

jayhawkboogeyman 12 years, 2 months ago

He's right on. Memorial Stadium is a dump for football. The track makes the fans way too far from the field; the stadium looks like an outdated dump, the stupid leather chairs behind the endzone are like a joke. It is probably the worst stadium of any major football program. That's the building. The fans are horrible too. Show up for the game late, leave early, don't make any sound until 3rd down, game time at 6:00, and the Hill is still more or less a ghost town at 3:00. . . Unfortunately as we already know, all our basketball fans' complete lack of dedication to football will quite possibly be the end of Kansas as a major sports school if/when conferences move around again, and Kansas is still a place where fans don't care and the team doesn't win.

Benjamin Piehler 12 years, 2 months ago

a little harsh. you make it sound like basketball/ basketball fans are hurting the school. without it, KU would be far from being considered as a "major sports school". most of the athletic department money probably comes from hoops anyway.

Mark Wooden 12 years, 2 months ago

With Freshman and Sophomores in all the skill positions on Offense, it's going to be a long year. Still don't understand why Toben is not the featured back-does this have anything to do with being a Mangino recruit?

dtownhawkfan 12 years, 2 months ago

gotta respect a coach who tells it like it is

Michael Pannacciulli 12 years, 2 months ago

keegan, nice try to fire folks up, but you failed to make your point. you should right for a tabloid because you can make a mountain out of a mole hill (or at least try to). these were not damning statements, just statements. should he compliment us? we have 100 x the budget and resources they do. we should be kicking their ass*s...he's shocked that in ever facet we didn't kick their ass#s! i am too! you should be too keegs! this is not a "rip" by the coach. Saying we are scum, Gill is trash, our team is a bunch of pansies...maybe that would be on the "rip" level.

Jack Wilson 12 years, 2 months ago

The NDSU coach has spoken the truth. And the truth is, Gill did not have this team ready to play.

We will not win one game this season. That is just an objective look at our schedule vs. talent vs. coaching.

But seriously, who cares. We are a basketball school.

jeffjhawk 12 years, 2 months ago

Hey, we deserve every bit of this. Are you kidding? We lost to ND State. They're like Canada, but worse. We went through all these pre-season machinations facing banishment from the B12 and this is our first response?? Give me a break. We've got NOTHING until we prove the same. If the Little Sisters of the Poor hit town, we still have to win. We didn't. End of story. So they get to talk trash - it comes with the territory when you come in as a patsy BCS scheduling ploy AND WIN!!! Sorry fellow Jayhawks, but we suck. End of story. Prove me wrong and I'll eat all this. Here's the deal. I've been watching these beloved (and they are) Jayhawks since 1964. Hint... there's a pattern here to our all-to-rare successful runs. We go through a decade or so of consistent disasters, only to make a few minor bowls. Then amazingly, every 35-40 years or so, the stars cross, a coach peaks, recruiting peaks, and we have a magical team. The next step is to turn the magic into a program. It has not happened and I, along with all of you keep hoping it will. I don't know what happened last year - and none of you do. How did the team of destiny lose 6/7 straight? But it happened, and it's a pattern. I'm not done, but I'm a KU realist. Study hard. That's all I can say.

Geekinout 12 years, 2 months ago

I expected a more physical offensive line with Gill.. When I watched them last weekend they seemed to be the softest part of this team! Out of shape, a lot of standing around, and more sadly a lot of tittyblocking.. Gotta get after people! I'm sure Georgia Techs O-line is going to be a bit of a contrast.. Still going to make it to every home game this year!! RCJH

bad_dog 12 years, 2 months ago

It's time to close ranks and pull for the Hawks. Enough about Mangino this or that. Like him or not he's gone. Enough of last week. Turn the page and move on. If we should win, all these negative comments will look stupid. If we lose, well then that's just what you expected and there will be a whole new list of things to pi$$ & moan about.

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

Mike Leach is available. Would have been a good hire. I can understand why Stanford's coach didn't come over. He was probably told "be nice to those GROWN MEN, now".

brad8821 12 years, 2 months ago

I read this saying outloud "Geez" (smack in the face). BUT... I could not agree with the NDSU coach more. Yes, I understand the track, the distance, the bowl being so far from the playing field, i have been on that band wagon before. It COULD be an incredible stadium if there were changes made. None the less there were 48,000 ish people there saturday and well I was surprised at that. i said while tailgating i would be happy if 75% was full now we have a top 25 team rolling and i am going... ahhhh.
Here is the thing. It has always bugged me. At Memorial stadium we go to the game to watch the game. I dont think people understand the effect the crowd can have. I have been to major college football games, bowl games, and the like and the atmosphere is amazing. from the minute the ball is kicked off you stand the entire game. the ENTIRE game. every down the opponent has the ball you are yelling and screaming your head off. I remember OU last year after our colorado loss. I was saying all week if we could JUST beat OU... so that first series when they ended up scoring on 3rd and short i was going insane every down. and it just wasnt loud.
same thing saturday. it was just crazy dead. all 48,000 / 50,000 KU fans need to be UP and at it every freaking second of every down. go to OU, hell, go even to stillwater. its madness. the entire time. it bugs me to sit down or when i am standing alone on 3rd and short at a home game. then people feel out the new scorebored and bowl boards say "get loud" so i guess we are going to do it.
from a hostile standpoint yes, we are weak. pathetic even. i wish,,,, oh i wish if we would all just come together and with almost a battle cry create such an environment outside as we do in AFH. what would happen. yes i understand we played like crap but we, the crowd can increase that for the team. i have been there on the other side crowds play a huge roll. i wish a group of people would get together and make this happen. students even. yes i agree about all the board pissing and moaning, i hardly ever write on this.

but minus the track, the way the stadium is built, the way we played like piss and had soo many missed opportunities and mishaps, but what if we shut up, and all come together and make this happen. i havent missed a home game in years and dont plan on it. i just wonder what would happen...

either that. or its gonna be a long process and a long season with not very much wheat being waved. =/

pburgstu 12 years, 2 months ago

Another thing is many of the top teams in the MIAA are better than the MVC. Illinois St. beat Central Missouri 55-54 and that was only because they made an two point conversion with a minute left. By the way Central is thought to be the fourth or fifth best team in MIAA so........NWMSU, Washburn or MO West could of beat KU Saturday Night thats pretty bad .

pburgstu 12 years, 2 months ago

To clarify the bottom half of the MVC.....NDSU ? also not saying they would beat ku...... but they might of competed

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

Al as in Al Davis? Remember, 5 Super Bowl appearances, 3 Rings. Lamar Hunt, 2 appearances, 1 ring, and not since the 1960s. I wasn't even born yet then.

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

I would take a little "Commitment to Excellence" by KU's football program!

Teri Jester 12 years, 2 months ago

it sounds to me like coach bohl is giving his pre-game excuse for what he thinks will be a loss at northern iowa. hmmm?

Michael Pannacciulli 12 years, 2 months ago

mangino woulda had his teams fired up to crush ndsu...gill is a softy. he probably thanked the coach for saying such kind words. (joking fellas, calm down). we got beat, and you take the lumps, but learn, move on, and win next time. scary thing is, this was to be one of their few possible wins. the idea of a winless season...yuk.

jayhawkintx73 12 years, 2 months ago

In fairness, Mangino shouldn't have benched the guy that returned the kick-off for a TD. Chewing him out is okay for hot doggin, but you don't ruin a guy's career over it. There were times last year that Mangino should have gotten in Todd Reesing's face and tell him, YOU HAVE 10 OTHER GUYS. You don't have to make every ffin play!".

Just a fact is that Briscoe made big plays, Meier made big plays. Even Sharp made big plays when he was healthy. Reesing tried to be a hero every play, and it cost KU at least 4 or 5 losses a year ago.

JayhawkBigXII 12 years, 2 months ago

We went from a drill seargent to a tupperware party. Thanks a lot Lew...wherever you are. At least we can keep our sour grapes fresh.

bieloh 10 years, 11 months ago

Nice season KU. Come on up to NDSU whenever you'd like. We could use some soft non-conference wins to pad the record next year.

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