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Monday, November 20, 2017

Beaty apologizes to Oklahoma, KU fans, Big 12 and college football for captains’ handshake snub

Kansas head coach David Beaty yells at a player during the third quarter on Saturday, Nov. 18, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas head coach David Beaty yells at a player during the third quarter on Saturday, Nov. 18, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

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A couple days removed from seeing three of his Kansas football team’s defensive captains refuse to shake hands with Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield prior to kickoff, head coach David Beaty took a contrite stance on the matter Monday morning, on the Big 12 coaches media teleconference.

“First of all, that was absolutely unacceptable,” Beaty began, when asked to further explain the occurrence, adding that he reached out to OU head coach Lincoln Riley to apologize “on the behalf of myself and our team.”

The third-year coach, whose Kansas team is 1-10 overall and 0-8 in the Big 12 with one game left on the schedule, went on to express his regret for the incident and how the resulting commotion might have displeased “our stakeholders,” the KU football program’s fans and supporters.

“It means more to be a Jayhawk. That was a situation that we needed to make a better decision there,” Beaty stated. “I believe very strongly in good sportsmanship. It’s absolutely essential to the game of football and our mission, which is developing young men. We’ve always got to show respect to each other and the teams we’re competing against.”

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KU’s coach maintained, as he said during his postgame press conference following the 41-3 defeat, he did not know Daniel Wise, Dorance Armstrong Jr. and Joe Dineen planned to snub Mayfield at the 50-yard line, when the captains met there for the pregame coin toss.

“While I wasn’t aware that those players were not going to shake hands,” Beaty said, “and we certainly never would have made that plan as a coaching staff to do something of that nature, we also love these kids, man, and I know their hearts. I know their passion. I love their toughness. I love their desire to compete. But we’ve let them know that their decision was unacceptable and it can not happen again.”

Now 3-32 as KU’s head coach, Beaty stated he had a conversation with athletic director Sheahon Zenger on the episode.

“We continue to agree that we want everyone in our program to represent the University of Kansas with (the) dignity and class at all times that it deserves. Those are the character traits that are the very heart of what it means to be a Jayhawk,” Beaty said. “We talk all the time about our No. 1 job is to create one good man at a time. Part of making that happen with these guys is helping them learn to make positive decisions, even in the heat of the moment. And unfortunately we didn’t make the right decision on Saturday, and they know that.”

Wise, Armstrong and Dineen “care deeply” about representing KU and the football program in a “classy” manner, Beaty said.

“They’re great young men. I believe in them, and, you know, I believe in who they are at their core. And it’s my job to make sure they understand the ripple effects a decision like that can have. They’ll learn from this and continue to grow into successful, productive men and great Jayhawks that the Jayhawk family can be proud of,” the coach said. “It’s just unfortunate, and I apologize to the Big 12 and really to college football, because that’s something that was absolutely unacceptable. But we’ll move forward.”

Asked whether he saw the non-handshake as it happened, Beaty affirmed he watched “a portion” of the brief exchange.

“I wasn’t really sure what was going on, because it was a little bit unique. I just saw one member of their team step forward and not another,” Beaty said of Mayfield sticking out his hand, “and none of ours stepped forward. I think before I really could understand what was going on it was over. And at that point you really understand what took place.”

Dineen submitted during his postgame interview Saturday one reason the Jayhawks might have taken such an abnormal strategy to the pre-kickoff pleasantries was Mayfield’s infamous fiery nature. Beaty neither confirmed nor denied as much.

“Regardless of what or why, we’ve discussed as a team and as a unit that it was misguided. In this world, what you realize very quickly is that people don’t care about intent. It can be perceived in any way. That’s what you have to be very careful of and the ripple effect that it may have,” Beaty said. “I’ll tell you this, those guys that went out there, I’ll tell you what, if my daughter marries one like them I’ll be pretty happy. They’re great men. They made a mistake and they’ll get better as a result.

As Beaty went on to reference the competitive nature of the sport and how much fun it is to be involved, he said players must consider more than the moment.

“And that’s what we’re using it for, a teachable moment,” he said.

Comments

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

First response was that he was proud of them for drawing a line in the sand. Followed by allowing two of them to dodge the media after the game.

Now..... he’s upset and apologetic. It was disgraceful and was a clear reflection of the lack of discipline on the team. Too little, too late.

David Kemp 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Exactly, obviously read the headlines and thought he should respond differently. Really no repercussions.

Dillon Davis 3 weeks, 5 days ago

This is so bad right now...I don't remember feeling this angry or this apathetic with Weis or Gill and that's saying something. This is the cherry on the cake to what has been a HORRENDOUS season. I really am just absolutely dumbfounded as to how Girod can put Beaty out there again next season. Is he afraid that is too late in the year to fire and hire a new AD to make the coaching decision? NO ONE will support the team with this man at the helm. You'll average 15,000 in the seats maybe. You'll have to give tickets away for people to go to games next year.

For those who say, well who are we gonna get? Whoever we get CANNOT be worse than what we have right now. And if you want this new stadium, you need someone who fans will get behind and show up for next year. And whoever we get should inherit a team that is capable of winning a couple games given all the juniors that will be seniors next year. We have talent, just need someone to coach them. And if you aren't a complete embarrassment next year and win a few and give people hope that it's going in the right direction, then you'll continue to get donations for that stadium.

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 5 days ago

This defense starts 3 kids from Free State, no offense to Free State, good program, but they didn't even win a state championship with these three kids in the lineup. There were even questions if Loneker would have started at Baker the next year if he had stayed. There in no doubt these three kids are outstanding kids who represent KU and Free State incredibly well, but to say they are talented Big 12 athletes at this point in their career is a stretch.

Sam Walters 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Where are you getting your information? Loneker was a freshman AA at Baker and led the team in tackles. Dineen was recruited by OU, Nebraska, and Okie St. None of the three offered him a scholarship, but if you watch any KU football you can see he's the best defensive player we have on the field. Not to mention going into Saturday he led the conference in solo tackles. Torneden shows a lot of promise and if we didn't have such a buffoon running our team, he'd be a RS FR and not a true SO.

[''] 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Step away from the bong Curt. I watched every Baker game that year and Loneker tore it up and would have absolutely started. Baker has great players but he was the BEST linebacker if not defensive player on that team.

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 5 days ago

So he would have started ahead of Kharon Brown or Akim Francis, I have my doubts. I like Tornedon, but he shouldn't be having to play yet. Numbers situation caused by prior coaches has thrown him into a very tough situation. Dineen is a great kid and plays hard, but Armstrong and Wise are taking on double teams on nearly every play, he should be leading the country in tackles.

[''] 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Loneker was already starting and was an All American. Akim got better after Loneker left. So yes - he would have started. And likely would have been an AA again.

Barry Weiss 3 weeks, 5 days ago

agreed. Beaty brings a new low to KU football coaching.

Joe Joseph 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Beaty's not getting the axe until Zenger gets the same. There's literally no way Beaty gets fired, short of abusing his players, until Zenger gets canned. And I don't think Zenger's getting fired any time soon.

I like Zenger. He's been a good fundraiser for the Athletics Department and I think he genuinely cares for the University. I just think he made a poor hire in hindsight. It was a safe hire at time, with the thinking that SURELY Beaty would show at least moderate signs of improvement - and at a relatively bargain deal.

I actually like Beaty, also. I don't know if he's a great football coach, but I do believe he's better than Weis and Gill. At this point, because I know he's not getting fired, I'm willing to give him one more year to show signs of improvement before I get too hostile over the matter.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

He made the two most incredibly bad hires, back-to-back, that any AD has ever made. Let's not look at it with rose-colored glasses.

Tim Bingaman 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Nice guy that is over his head and doesn't know what to say/do because the train is off the tracks.

KU deserves a coach that can deliver wins and not an out of control team that resorts to stunts.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Pretty obvious Beaty is never going to be judged in anything other than a negative light ... no matter what he does. Everyone said he should be fired for the players not shaking hands. He and the players have said that coaches were not in on the decision. Now that that is clear... you all want to shift gears and say he didn't respond in time, that he is tailoring his response to satisfy the outrage. Since you obviously hate Beaty so much and are so down on the program... stay away in 2018. The inconsistency on here is maddening: "He can't recruit".. then it's "We have talent, just need someone to coach them". Whatever fits your argument.. you throw it out there on the wall to see if it sticks. It doesn't stick.. it stinks.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Beaty is being judged by what he has done for this team. Please enlighten us about his positive results for KU, KU football, and KU Coaching.

He was brought in as a recruiter, and has been at the bottom of the conference. He explained that he would coach up the players and has yet to accomplish that as he still struggles to get the players in the right position. He will bring in the best coaches and he has gone through I believe 5 coordinators and several position coaches. He has lost one of the great recruiters for KU and by the way he has not been successful at recruiting TX, like he said he would. He has now started to let unsportsmanship bleed into our field without his knowledge of what the captains were going to do. He is 2-1 against DII teams, 0-6 against non-power teams, and 1-25 against BXII teams.

It's hard to find light when the shadow he casts is so dim.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 5 days ago

What is Beaty doing to hold the players accountable for not shaking Mayfield's hand? What is he doing to discipline Defense for that cheap shot on Mayfield? That's the issue with how Beaty has handled this situation.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Tom Bingaman: Just name that coaching candidate for 2018. Throw one out there. Everyone screaming for a change.. any change... but no solutions offered. You make a change now in 2018, you turn away recruits.. like the 3 and 4 star Louisiana recruits we have coming in. You set the program further back.. and yes, that IS even possible. Alternatively, you accept Beaty is back in 2018.. and you either choose to go to games and/or watch... or not. Shame on you people for disparaging the CHARACTER of David Beaty. Criticize him as a coach, but stop denigrating a man who CARES.

Tim Bingaman 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Mike Hunt: Not my job. That is for an AD. My job is to delivery performance for my business. Do you think that if I was trusted by my company to run a multi-million dollar, extremely high profile organization, I could go into a 4th year with terrible results and eroding customer faith. I assure you, Mike, I couldn't.

I am not questioning David's character, just his performance... like any other business, you can't be terrible and keep your job.

Joe Black 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Yes you can be terrible at your job and keep it, if your business is being in Congress

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

So tired of this repetitive post. Several guys have posted several realistic names. Here they are again......Willie Fritz, Jeff Monken, Jim Leavitt, Troy Calhoun, Bo Pellini and Craig Bohl. And that's off the top of my head.

And here's a news flash....neither Zenger or Beaty care anymore about KU than me or most of the people who post here. Just because they get paid millions of dollars to fail, doesn't mean they care anymore than any other Jayhawk.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 4 days ago

They actually probably do care a little bit more considering the amount of sweat equity put in to the program by those men

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Kudos to Joe Joseph. No coaching change is going to happen in 2018, and even if it did, it doesn't improve us for 2018. If Beaty and co fail in 2018, he is gone.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

It would improve us immensely. Almost immediately, and would definitely positively influence both recruiting and fundraising. And ticket sales - by a lot!

Chris Johnson 3 weeks, 5 days ago

The teachable moment was lost when Coach Beaty did not bench the three immediately after the coin toss, regardless of how that might have affected the outcome. I would have respected that move by the coach even with a loss.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Coaches have other issues they're focused on and legitimately aren't aware of a lot stuff going on throughout the game that isn't directly related to on the field gameplay issues. Even then, coaches are addressing different units throughout the game and miss some on field stuff as well.

This is what happened with Mayfield getting benched. Riley didn't see his actions during the game, was made aware after the fact, went and watched what happened himself, and then made a decision on discipline.

Coaches are rarely on the field for the handshake and coin toss as they're usually in the locker room giving a last minute pep speech. Waiting until after the game to have a chance to see what happened and make an informed decision on discipline the next day or so is perfectly reasonable and what should've been announced about the captain's and Defense today instead if just Beaty apologizing and nothing happening to the guilty parties.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 5 days ago

And if he didn't know what his players were planning to do is an indicator of a bigger problem.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 5 days ago

I could only imagine if Notre Dame under Lou Holtz had something happen like this.

He would have immediately ripped the Cs off the Jerseys, likely grabbed them by the face mask and dragged them across the field encouraging a handshake. He would have immediately taken time to apologize to the coach and the other captains, while returning to his sideline. The players would likely have found some slivers on the pine.

Instead we get a guy that says the emotions were just too high, I didn't know about the antics and only after his boss said it was unacceptable did he go up and somewhat apologize.

Yep thanks Coach for making Dr Zenger and Dr Girod's job easy. T minus 6 days.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

So far in the national spotlight we've gained 21 total yards in a game, broken the record for most road losses in a row, and have refused to shake a captains hand because our captains thought it would be a good strategy, causing a much unneeded and inappropriate ruckus by resident moron Baker Mayfield and a cheap shot by one of our defenders that would have gotten him suspended in an NFL game. Looks like this program is moving in a direction, just not the right one.

Brian Hosfelt 3 weeks, 5 days ago

how is Coach Beaty a better coach than Gill? that's an interesting comment with nothing to back it up. And if Beaty was fired how will that cost us our 4 star kids we have committed? They will never sign!

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Chris Johnson: I guess Lincoln Riley missed his teaching opportunity when he did not send Mayfield to the locker room for his far more egregious actions. And the Heisman Voters who will overlook Mayfield's actions.. and vote him player of the year.. will miss their teaching moment by still voting him Heisman winner. For those who notice: "The Heisman Memorial Trophy (usually known colloquially as the Heisman Trophy or The Heisman), is awarded annually to the most outstanding player in college football in the United States whose performance best exhibits the pursuit of excellence with integrity". Let's wait and see how much of a teachable moment Mayfield gets for his demonstration of "integrity". Not to mention his already busch league tactic of planting the OU flag at Ohio State turf. Be consistent, folks...

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

When did Baker Mayfield become one of our captains? How'd Beaty wrangle that?

Mayfield gave KU as good as he got from our three captains. That's about as consistent as it can be. You pick a fight, you disrespect someone, you act like a punk, then your are probably going to get punk'd.

Aaron Paisley 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Lincoln Riley was not aware of what Mayfield did during the game because it didn't happen in front of Riley. After Riley had all the information, he announced that Mayfiled isn't starting against WVU. Didn't specify how long he'd be benched for, but how long is Beaty benching any of the 4 guys involved in the two incidents on Saturday for? That's the difference in leadership.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Jeff Coffman: With your Lou Holtz analogy. Would Lou have tolerated Mayfield's actions as "team captain" for acting like that on the sidelines? Grabbing his crotch and yelling F bombs that the national TV cameras were picking up? Would he yank the "C" of his uniform? What offense is worse? Where is the outrage here? Uh no.. it's more fun to kick Beaty and company around. Mayfield for Heisman, whoo hoo! Selective disdain...

Matthew Gaylor 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Baker Mayfield won't start on senior night vs, and has been removed as Captain for punishment. He's issued an apology twice now for those actions. The KU players have yet to apologize, and I can't wait to see Beaty do even half of Baker's punishment for the KU captains

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 5 days ago

So they didn't shake hands, so what. I grew up playing high school football 40 years ago, was a captain, and nobody in my league ever shook hands either before or after a game. I guess this is just the snowflake culture we live in today that everything is seen as offensive. Mayfield grabbing his crotch is a different story, if the Big 12 had any guts they would suspend him for a game for vulgar conduct, but that won't happen with a National Championship birth on the line for Oklahoma.

Joe Black 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Really. I played sports 40 years ago and we did shake hands before and after games. Maybe you all were just poor sports back then. This doesn't have anything to do with today's snowflake culture. The snowflake culture is horrible but it doesn't have anything to do with this subject.

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 5 days ago

It wasn't just my coach, it wasn't done anywhere in our league or even the playoffs by any school that I played against. We all shook hands with the officials and usually just stared at our opponents. Times have changed I guess. It was considered a sign of weakness to be friendly with your opponent, especially before a game.

Jack Brooks 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Well, when you’re playing uphill both ways in the snow, you’re really too occupied with just keeping your footing. It makes sense that you wouldn’t shake hands; you might fall down! And those leather helmets didn’t keep out the cold and moisture the way today’s helmets do for these snowflake kids! Now, if these kids would just stay off your lawn...

Andy Tweedy 3 weeks, 5 days ago

I was unfortunate enough to be on the Hill for two of the worst years of KU football, 1986-1987. But I was fortunate enough to see the start of the Glen Mason years, 1988-1989 as well. You could tell from day 1 the difference a coach that instilled discipline could do for a downtrodden program. The difference in effort and competitiveness was night and day. I also saw that pretty quickly with Mangino. I haven't seen one ounce of anything that makes me feel good about this program in 3 years under this staff...and it actually seems to be getting worse, not better!

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

I believe that all anyone has wanted to see was some semblance of progress. We scored 3 points against one of the worst defenses in the league. We were beaten by a winless JV team from Waco. We were shutout in back-to-back games. We were beaten, at home by a MAC team. About half of our early recruit commits have backed out. We are tied for the worst recruiting class in the conference. I keep asking the pro-Beaty fans to show me one place where we are better in the three years since Beaty got here. Crickets.

Dillon Davis 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Exactly! All he's done is beat Texas and that was a fluke and certainly not enough to warrant an extension and a 4th year given everything else that has happened.

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 5 days ago

The one area we have a shot at improving next year and is critical for us will be the offensive line. We have a very young group, none of which should have had to play this year. I think there is finally about 12 young kids in their 1st, 2nd or 3rd year where we should be able to put together at least a decent o-line next year. We never have even after the Orange Bowl been able to recruit skill position players that are top of the line Big 12 players immediately. Only kids with that skill level would stand any chance of performing behind poor o-line play. The o-line area is where Charlie and Turner did the most damage and it is possible next year we could see that changing. When Weis hired Grunhard to be his o-line coach, Grunhard commented that KU will never get kids out of high school who are ready to play in the o-line, because there are only about 10 to 15 each year. KU need kids who are in their 4th or 5th year in the line and they can't miss on guessing if they will develop. I often felt this is why Grunhard left so quickly because Charlie ignored this concept and tried the JUCO route. I have felt all along that Beaty has had that belief and that next year we will be starting several kids who have been in the program for 4 years. If next year we continue to see that we can't compete up front (that is what you are seeing now) then Beaty needs to go.

Robert Brock 3 weeks, 5 days ago

KU’s punishment is having to play another game.

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Since I'm not local, maybe someone can enlighten me: has Beaty said a SINGLE WORD about Hassan Defense's cheap hit? Has there been any talk of suspending him for the next game?

He should have been ejected immediately, and as soon as Beaty found out about it (whether at the moment or after the game), he should have announced that Defense would not play in the last game. If not, that's yet another indication of Beaty showing no leadership whatsoever.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

It's funny how quick everyone is to jump Beaty for not banishing his players from the game immediately for embarrassing the school in a national spotlight. Let's compare Bill Self and David Beaty. Which coach has players who have repeatedly displayed poor sportsmanship. Shall I mention the Morris twins? Or the best shining example: NCAA tournament game against Michigan when KU guard Elijah Johnson intentionally punched a Michigan player in the junk with a closed fist. He got a flagrant foul.. and Bill left him in the game. Bill was told by the referee that it was intentional... but Bill left him in.. .let him play. From the KUSports.com article itself from that game:

"As far as coach Bill Self’s take: “I didn’t see it, but obviously the official said he did it, so he did it. The film doesn’t lie. That’s not how we play. And that was not smart at all. And then he has a bad second foul and a charge (playing three minutes total the first half), when all he had to do was stop and shoot it". Wait a minute: Self was told by the referee that Elijah intentionally punched a player in the junk on March Madness nationally televised audience.. and he did nothing about it? Why is that ok? Is it because KU is good in basketball? Where is the outrage for allowing this behavior? Punching someone in the junk with a closed fist in the junk is worse than calmly refusing to shake someone's hand. Why were we not demanding that Bill Self send a message to his players that this will not be tolerated. On top of all that, Elijah Johnson had the gumption to come out post-press conference and fail to admit his guilt.. and said it WASN'T intentional. So spare me that KU captains should have been benched and that Hasan Defense should have been benched immediately for his cheap hit. What Elijah Johnson did was worse.. it was explained to Bill Self at the time... and Bill just let him play. Self did NOTHING. Be consistent is all I ask.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

You may have missed it, but there was plenty of fan backlash to Elijah's cheap shot. You may have also missed the years of credibility that Bill Self has built up by benching players, sitting players, not starting players, etc.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Does Self actually have credibility though? It’s easy to sit a player for one game when you are playing TCU and you have a team full of 5 stars. Speaks more volumes because he has to do it so often

Joe Black 3 weeks, 5 days ago

He didn't see it. Are you going to believe someone else's word on the incident. Especially when that official is trying to justify his call?? He had to wait to see it for himself on film. Self has shown time and time again over the years that he is not afraid to sit stars that violate team rules. I really don't think you want to get into a debate about which program is ran with more integrity between a hall of fame basketball coach and whatever football coach you want to pick out of the last several at KU. It wouldn't serve your flimsy premise well.

Tony Bandle 3 weeks, 5 days ago

I wanted to post comments on this year's football program but the breadth of complete incompetence, lack of class and ability, the depth of poor attitudes and sportsmanship coupled with the absolute bleak prospects for both the near and far future, leaves me utterly bereft of any coherent comments.

Hmm,,,well...maybe not!

Jerry Walker 3 weeks, 5 days ago

"To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents.

What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour."

Winston Churchill apparently writing about Coach Beaty.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

David Beaty would be a great Division III coach. I think that his aw-shucks approach would work well in recruiting that level of player, it would work in motivating them and in building a team.

We all have our strengths, but Zenger proved with the Weis hire that he had no idea what he was doing. The Beaty hire just confirms it.

Bill Kackley 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Mike Hart, I have enjoyed readung your comments on here. You bring a breathe of fresh air to the hipicratic, insane crap most of these people post. Thank you and keep up the good work.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Name three legit STATS (not made up facts) that show Beaty has improved from year 1-3....

Joe Black 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Dude, use spell check. It works wonders on not making you sound like a hick from the sticks.

Town Thomas 3 weeks, 5 days ago

I decided not to take the phone calls from KU alumni this morning because of this.

Jeff Coffman 3 weeks, 5 days ago

If you don't think a football and athletic program is good for the university see the following about the results of what Nick Saban has done for the academics and enrollment of Alabama:

https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/decade-dominance-nick-sabans-success-transformed-alabama-not-just-football

Notice that Enrollment has nearly doubled while GPA and ACT scores also went up.

Please realize there is a reason why the Athletic department is still within the responsibilities of the Chancellor. To give him a pass on Athletics because it is not academics sets KU so far behind.

Todd Seifert 3 weeks, 5 days ago

As I stated on Twitter, either the guys have failed to learn in the past three years, or our coaching staff hasn't taught them these things in three years. Either one shows a lack of leadership by the coaching staff and is inexcusable. We've been a horrible football team for more than three years now, and that's bad enough. Now we've lost integrity. This whole episode made KU a laughingstock -- even more than our poor record. I'm not saying Beaty's a bad guy. I don't think the coaching staff is a bunch of useless human beings. I'm just saying at some point we have to make decisions that benefit the university. Attendance below 27,000 per game and now this? The reality of life is money has to talk. Things have deteriorated to the point where we have to breathe new life into the program or see progress. All I've asked on social media is what the coaching staff is going to do to fix this problem of discipline and performance. If they have a strategy (beyond "work harder") then let's see it and get on with it so we can be a better program. If they have no plan or have no idea what to do, then I think that kind of response shows a change is needed. But let's see something that shows leadership. We certainly didn't get that this weekend from our football program in any way, shape or form -- from team captains to the coaching staff.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Since I'm not local, maybe someone can enlighten me: has Beaty said a SINGLE WORD about Hassan Defense's cheap hit? Has there been any talk of suspending him for the next game?

He should have been ejected immediately, and as soon as Beaty found out about it (whether at the moment or after the game), he should have announced that Defense would not play in the last game. If not, that's yet another indication of Beaty showing no leadership whatsoever.

So in response the above post: Baker Mayfield won't be starting his final game. He'll still PLAY.. but he won't start. That's the punishment for grabbing your crotch and dropping F bombs on national TV. But Hassan Defense should be SUSPENDED for a late, unnecessary hit. And Beaty should be immediately fired for not pulling him from the game. Ok... got it. Makes perfect sense...

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Lets just give the players a medal for trying and give Beaty and Zenger another raise and extension. Does that make more sense for you?

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Mike, your "logic" is clearly only matched by your reading ability. Where did I say that Beaty should be fired for not pulling him from the game???

On the other hand, I HAVE said multiple times that Beaty should be fired for the pathetic product that he's putting out week after week.

And oh, BTW, as immature and crass as Mayfield's actions were, a cheap hit on a player that could put him out for the rest of the season is MUCH, MUCH worse ...

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Beaty supporters will love this...

From Coaches Hot Seat:

  1. David Beaty, Kansas – On Saturday Oklahoma blasted Kansas by the score of 41 – 3 in Kansas head coach David Beaty’s 35 th game at KU which now leaves Beaty’s records at Kansas…

Overall: 3 – 32

Big 12: 1 – 25

…with a game at Oklahoma State left on the schedule and anyone on Earth that thinks Kansas Football will be better in Beaty’s FOURTH year on the job in 2018 that is a person that needs to…

Check Into The Closest Mental Institution

….wherever they are on the Earth!

This past week an assistant coach in the Big 12 texted a member of Coaches Hot Seat the following:

“Everyone in the Big 12 hoping KU keeps DB least 1 more year because it’s only sure win on sked right now if Rhule gets things going at Baylor”

Yes…there are some Damn Morons in Lawrence, Kansas that should be fired tonight!

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Thanks for the info., John. Sadly, some people continue to not want to deal with reality ... It must be nice to live in such a fantasy world.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Jeff McCabe: Thanks for the list of viable head coaching candidates to replace Beaty - Willie Fritz, Jeff Monken, Jim Leavitt, Troy Calhoun, Bo Pellini and Craig Bohl. Problem is.. everyone one of those guys (except Leavitt) is under contract as HC somewhere else and would have to be bought out. 2 or 3 of those guys have one year to go.. so if candidate, then candidate for 2019.

Willie Fritz is 4-8 and 5-6 in his two years at Tulane. He has one year to go on his contract, meaning we would have to buy him out of his 3rd year. This after a new $65MM stadium was built in 2014. I thought we wanted a proven winner? And why not wait until he is available in 2019 after his contract ends?

Jeff Monken - He is 22-26 at Army, but has improved them last 2 years. Problem is: He was just signed to a multi-year extension in Sep 2017. So again, we'd have to buy him out of his contract. Great idea...

Jim Leavitt - This would be great! Alabama really wanted him and K-State wanted him when Bill Snyder stepped down the first time. Miami also wanted him. He didn't go.. why would he come to KU? Oh and by the way.. he was let go by South Florida as their 13 year head coach, because he struck a player. Sound familiar?

Troy Calhoun - 11 year HC of Air Force. First 4 years the team went 9-4 or 8-5. 2-10 in 2013... and 4-7 this year. Proven track record? He also had his contract extended this year.. through 2021. So again... another coach who is unavailable and could only be available via buyout.

Bo Pelini - Go read the circumstances about his behavior leading to his firing at Nebraska. Since then he has 2 out of 3 losing seasons at Youngstown State. He still has one more year on his contract, so he would have to be bought out.

Craig Bohl - I mean seriously. This guy just signed... for 7 more years at U of Wyoming. He's not available until 2024.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Oh, you are right, coaches never leave their current jobs for other jobs. Your post is beyond idiotic. Virtually every coach, everywhere is under contract when they take another job. It's just the cost of doing business.

The excuses you make lose you credibility every time you post. AD's get it done. Losers make excuses. Every one of those coaches is available, right now. Start interviewing and get someone hired. Every....single....one of them would be a major upgrade over what we have.

Andy Tweedy 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I will say this. I live in Omaha, and Bo Pelini is a TERRIBLE idea. He is a first rate cancer. When he was shown the door as DC after his first tour here, he went out guns blazing, making it absolutely astounding that he was brought back the second time.

Tamara Khiatani 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I agree that Pelini would be a horrible choice. Not a good coach and not a good person. May as well bring back the Mangenius.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

John Fitzgerald: Same ole song... fire Beaty for 2018... and replace with whom? I am still waiting. Jeff McCabe provided a nice list of unavailable coaches.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Dave Doeren, Willie Fritz, Troy Calhoun, Chad Morris, Bill Clark, Jason Candle, Neal Brown, Craig Bohl

You can cry that most or all of them are still in contracts, but when has that ever been an issue in CFB? If KU wants to build a $350 million stadium, they can afford to bring in a guy regardless of cost.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

By the way, my name is Brett. Maybe you are just trying to show disrespect? Like the KU captains? You got a list, they are all available, right now. And I didn't even dig.

Len Shaffer 3 weeks, 4 days ago

ANYBODY!!!!! Do you honestly believe that your average HIGH SCHOOL coach couldn't have a better record than Beaty??? The results speak for themselves!!!

Mike, please tell me you don't really believe what you're saying. You're just trolling us all, right??? If so, good job getting a rise out of us. If not, I'm really sorry for your lack of mental health.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

John Fitzgerald:

Dave Doeren - Great idea. We had our chance to get him and we blew it. He's now signed and extended at NC State. He has a great track record and would be a wonderful hire... but can't get him.

Willie Fritz, Craig Bohl and Troy Calhoun have already been addressed.

Chad Morris - SMU coach for 3 years who turned them into 6-5 winners this year. Problem is, he got extended LAST year through 2023. Not available.

Bill Clark - UAB coach with 3 years HC experience. Had his contract extended for 5 more years in Sep 2015. On top of that, he got his contract further extended 6 days ago through 2023 and with a pay raise. Not available.

Jason Candle - Good young coach who worked his way up ranks ... all at Toledo where he has been successful head coach for 2 years. Problem is: Toledo just extended him through 2021 in May of this year.. with a big raise. NOT AVAILABLE.

Neal Brown - Troy HC. 22-13 in 3 seasons at Troy including 8-2 this year. Looks good on paper, but once again: In March of 2017, they extended him through 2022. Oh, and by the way, he has a $3MM buyout clause on his contract. Needless to say: UNAVAILABLE

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Any coach not named David Beaty according to you is not available. Truth is, you couldn't be more wrong. You clearly have no clue how college football works.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Brett McCabe: Guess again... your coaches are NOT all available.. so CLEARLY: YOU DIDN'T EVEN DIG. In fact, only one is available.. the one who got fired from South Florida for striking his player and lying about it. For your viewing pleasure.. .I am reposting:

Willie Fritz is 4-8 and 5-6 in his two years at Tulane. He has one year to go on his contract, meaning we would have to buy him out of his 3rd year. This after a new $65MM stadium was built in 2014. I thought we wanted a proven winner? And why not wait until he is available in 2019 after his contract ends?

Jeff Monken - He is 22-26 at Army, but has improved them last 2 years. Problem is: He was just signed to a multi-year extension in Sep 2017. So again, we'd have to buy him out of his contract. Great idea...

Jim Leavitt - This would be great! Alabama really wanted him and K-State wanted him when Bill Snyder stepped down the first time. Miami also wanted him. He didn't go.. why would he come to KU? Oh and by the way.. he was let go by South Florida as their 13 year head coach, because he struck a player. Sound familiar?

Troy Calhoun - 11 year HC of Air Force. First 4 years the team went 9-4 or 8-5. 2-10 in 2013... and 4-7 this year. Proven track record? He also had his contract extended this year.. through 2021. So again... another coach who is unavailable and could only be available via buyout.

Bo Pelini - Go read the circumstances about his behavior leading to his firing at Nebraska. Since then he has 2 out of 3 losing seasons at Youngstown State. He still has one more year on his contract, so he would have to be bought out.

Craig Bohl - I mean seriously. This guy just signed... for 7 more years at U of Wyoming. He's not available until 2024.

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 5 days ago

It's unbelievable how ignorant you are. A contract has a buyout. If KU wants a guy bad enough, they can buyout the contract. It's not ideal, but neither is keeping a coach with a 3-32 record.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Under Mike's strategy, all we have to do is wait for Beaty's contract to expire, then go find a great candidate who's contract is also expiring at the exact same time. Because, one thing all college football fans know, is that AD's all across America always let their really good coaches get to the end of their contracts before renewing them. You know, just like we do with Bill Self.

Maybe that's Zenger's master plan? With football fans like Mike, it's no wonder KU football has reached the absolute bottom of the toilet bowl.

I think Mike might think that none of us can Google, or know anything about college football history.

Joe Black 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Mike Hart, Coaches contracts are bought out all the time. I haven't been on the fire Beaty bandwagon with the rest of these guys but you're making yourself look pretty ignorant with your comments about these coaches not being available. They are available for the right price (which would include a buyout). The real issue is whether they would want to take on the nightmare called KU football.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Since we've got a lively debate, I want to toss out a crazy idea. First off, I'm heavily in favor of hiring a proven head coach who has proven that he can rebuild (Fritz, Leavitt, Bohl, Monken, etc.).

I'm not very knowledgeable on the coordinators out there, and a coordinator would not be high on my list, but I'm certainly open to good candidates, wherever they may be.

Here's the idea......There is a bit of a power struggle in Manhattan about not letting Sean Snyder take over the KSU program. If Sean Snyder is not their next head coach, could he be ours? I'm not a Snyder expert, but KSU has long been known as one of the best special teams programs in the country, and those teams are handled by Snyder. Could lightning strike twice in the same family? Does anyone know much about him?

My thought is that he absolutely knows every detail necessary to build a competitive team. Is he a leader? Can he command a staff? I'm not sure, but if he's snubbed by KSU, he might just like to move east 70 miles.

Thoughts?

Gunnar Hays 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Of all the KSU fans I know (and there are several), I see a pretty even split about moving forward with coaching. Some fans are scared to death of a Ron Prince era repeat, and therefore want the more familiar coach taking over.

Other fans don't want Sean because they feel as though that is settling for less than their best options. Some bigger names talked about include Stoops, Venables, Patterson, etc.

This debate has gotten even more crazy with the report last week that KSU had made some kind of agreement with Jim Leavitt, but Bill shut it down because his preference is Sean. In terms of Sean coming to Lawrence, many KSU fans who have reservations about him have been on the record saying they'd be happy to have him once he proves himself as a HC. KU is maybe the toughest job to take on in FBS right now, so he'd certainly have that opportunity. As a guy who played for KSU, has coached KSU since the 90s, and has the Snyder name, I just can't ever see him coaching in Lawrence though because he bleeds too much purple.

He consistently has one of the best special teams units in the nation, and he's been around a successful program for a long time so I think he could absolutely be a good Head Coach. I would just be surprised to see him go to KU unless he left KSU on bad terms (which could be possible).

Gunnar Hays 3 weeks, 4 days ago

For whatever its worth, my prediction for the last few years is that Snyder will ultimately retire mid-season, or retire close to the season starting (Bob Stoops 2017), so he can ensure Sean takes over as interim and at least gets some games to prove himself as HC, therefore not giving KSU the chance to shop around first.

Bill Kackley 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Most of you guys are full of hoey. We WILL improve next year, period. But if my chance we dont I would then agree to letting Beaty go. He is her for next year, get over youselves and start supporting your football team. If any thing should be embarrassing to you it should be the fair weather fans who dont attend games and bitch about the coach on this site. I have been a season ticketholder for at least 25 years, drive 5 hours one way to games, and yes I want a winner, but changing coaches every 3 years is not the way to do it. Some of you were al over Mangino, when he was here. Bet you regret your stupidity now. I know I can't keep doing this too much longer as I will shortly be 80 years old but as it is true that we brought in an inexperienced head coach, I also know he has to learn on the job. 4 years should be enough so I stay with, him, support him and hope he gets it right. Changing coach now would mean I would even be less likely to see a winning program at KU than I now have.

Curt Wright 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Beaty took this job being fully aware of the number situation. Scholarship players that KU actually recruited out of high school was closer to 40 than the number 60 that is widely used. Many were walkons. Any attorney or coach in their right mind would have asked for some sort of commitment to develop the numbers appropriately. Was there a commitment to 4 years or 5 years, only AD and Chancellor know the answer to that? If so, and you break that commitment good luck hiring a coach of any type after that.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 5 days ago

Funny how you talk about 'strategy'. Fire a guy without a replacement in the wings. That's a great strategy. We'll go pay $3MM and buy someone out and if if new coach doesn't work out, you same guys will be calling for his head in 2 years. You said you had a list of guys who are available right now. Sure.. anyone is available for the right price. Nick Saban's buyout is $26MM. That doesn't mean he would come to KU. We blew it by not hiring Doeren when he WANTED to come here. Now there is no way in Hell he is available with his new extension. As for knowledge on Google, I wish you guys would do your homework before spewing out coaches' names who can't / won't come here in 2018. It's WRONG to attack David Beaty's character and to somehow sum up his 3 years .. and the attitude of his players.. and have that be defined by the ill-advised decision to not shake hands at the coin flip. That's the worst offense of this program in 3 years.. pales greatly in comparison to the crap from our basketball team, but hey.. they're successful and bring in money, so that's ok.

Joe Black 3 weeks, 5 days ago

You're just plain wrong in your comparison to the basketball team and the discipline that is instilled in that program. Why do you think you have to attack something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand?? That is called deflection. Can you not provide enough evidence to prove your point? I guess not, so you deflect to something unrelated. I was with you for awhile but you my friend have surely lost your mind.

David Kemp 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Yes HCBS is a disciplinarian. Don't confuse that with late to practice, late to games, yuking it up on the sidelines, countless penalties, and now not shaking hands and til today Beaty says nothing. Maybe he had to go watch the tape because he never sees anything

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Mike actually has a pretty good point. There aren’t many programs in the nation that have had more issues with behavior than ku basketball. Winning makes it ok though.

Andy Tweedy 3 weeks, 4 days ago

You're right about one thing for sure. We blew it not hiring Doeren!

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 4 days ago

To me, this one hurts the worst. To read that Zenger was put-off by Doreen's aggressiveness in getting the job literally makes me want to go lose my dinner. It's hard to imagine anyone campaigning for this job and then, we snub him. It just adds to the fact that Zenger has absolutely no clue.

Humpy Helsel 3 weeks, 5 days ago

So what would happen (just a fantasy idea, not reality) if Bill Snyder said "I'll coach KU next year and Beaty you come over here and coach my team." I wonder what would happen to each in the win/loss column? Coaches matter and this one just isn't getting the job done. The mistakes and what appears to be lack of mental discipline have not improved from his first year. Marketing people always say "any news is good, even if it is bad news." I don't think the adage applies in this "no shake" fiasco. I'm going out on a limb here and will say I believe Beaty will announce his resignation after this Saturday's game. At some point it is more than the money. I think he is as cooked as a Thanksgiving Day turkey. What a relief it would be for everybody.

Barry Weiss 3 weeks, 5 days ago

bottom line, our football program is a dumpster fire and the flames have gotten much higher in year three, the year Beaty himself, before the season started, said that the third year is when you see improvement under a new coach. He also said KU would be bowling. Beaty is clueless folks, a new low point in Kansas football.

Dyrk Dugan 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Thoughts? Sean Snyder will NEVER be the KU head football coach (and I would not advocate hiring him); I’d rather pursue Brent Venables, as someone with direct KSU ties, but he’s been away from the program for at least 20 years. But I can’t imagine he would take the gig.
You can all relax; Beaty will be the head coach next year; and probably 2019. We will be better next year; and I say that knowing that we weren’t better from 2016 until 2017; but it’s well known the progression doesn’t follow like a step ladder. And HCDB will not resign after the game Saturday; complete fantasy land if you hope for that. Let the man secure the recruiting class; those outstanding kids from La.; and let’s focus in on next year. As I’ve pointed out before, he deserves another year or two; the roster numbers he inherited, were about as bad as it gets.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 4 days ago

The recruiting class, so far, is terrible. Finishing 1-11 isn't going to make that better. Last year's recruiting class was terrible and the one before that was worse. So, the cavalry isn't coming.

Improvement is actually very much like a step ladder. You may not go fast, but you can see upward momentum. Point to any facet of the program that has upwards momentum. Also, point to any facet of the program that couldn't have been done better than any of the coaches I've listed multiple times as replacements.

Roster, schmoster. The team should have shown improvement. We are no better now than we were in year one. We've wasted three years hiring three different O.C.'s to run an offense that doesn't work.

This is the Titanic of football. Time for a new captain, a new ship and a new strategy.

Tamara Khiatani 3 weeks, 4 days ago

To me there are two options. 1) Just give up and move to Division II for football. The football program has been an embarrassment for too long. At least then maybe KU would be competitive. 2) Go after a big time coach and pay the necessary big bucks for a long-term commitment. Chip Kelley would fantastic but probably has no interest because he has so many other options. Les Miles, maybe? I know they tried that with Charlie Weiss but the problem there was that it was Charlie Weiss.

John Brazelton 3 weeks, 4 days ago

After viewing all the rants, re-rants and name calling among the posters, I sometimes wonder what kind of sportsmanship that all of you showed during your time at KU as students. You sure don't show any decent sportsmanship now as graduates. What are you doing in positive way to buildup the KU football program? If I were a potential highly-rated 3 or 4-star athlete, why would I want to sign with KU after reading all of this negativity. In Beaty's defense, we have had 34 players injured at sometime during the season. At least 12 to 15 of these injuries are season ending. We are playing #1's and #2's on both the offensive and defensive lines. Our defensive backfield is playing #2's and #3's. Both Stanley and Sims are playing at less than 100 percent as are many others. We have decent 1's, but after that our athletic ability and on-the-field experience falls off dramatically. Beaty will have 20+ seniors and 85 recruited scholarship players next season as well as assistant coaches who have worked with these players for several years. Not every team can be on top, should both Texas Tech and TCU drop their basketball programs because they can't win the Big 12?

Tamara Khiatani 3 weeks, 4 days ago

I wish our problem was that we can't win the conference. Our problem is that we can't win a game in the conference, or even be competitive. We often aren't even competitive with the early season "cupcakes" that we play, let alone the Big 12 teams.

David Kemp 3 weeks, 4 days ago

What did Texas tech and tcu do, they hired new coaches and tech went to NCAA tournament and tcu won nit, so that was a poor use of an example!

John Fitzgerald 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Probably the dumbest argument ever. Texas Tech and TCU both have new coaches and now will likely finish right behind KU in the Big 12. Good try though, JB.

Dyrk Dugan 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Our recruiting class is very good, what in the world are you talking about? Our avg. star rating is 3.2 per Rivals; higher than every school in the Big 12, except three. And higher than our three main schools we compete against head to head for a lot of recruits; OSU, ISU and KSU. We have a 5 AND a 4 commit; almost guaranteed to bolt with a new coach. And they’ve been commits a long time. You know they were waiting, getting plenty of people in their ear, telling them “they’re going to fire their coach, they’re going to fire their coach...” and now they know who they’ll be playing for. Yes, the numbers are only 10 (KSU only has 11), but there are plenty of three star guys out there, and overlooked twos (Talib a 2, Rivera and McClinton were 3 guys). This class will be the best one in quite awhile, and with our KC area recruits, will do wonders for the backyard; which was missed out on big time by Gill and Weis.

Brett McCabe 3 weeks, 4 days ago

We have the fewest commitments of any program in the conference, which means that Beaty is not closing the deal. We've had a rash of de-commits, and if you think the 5-star and 4-star kids are going to sign with us, then you make Jiminy Cricket look like Debbie Downer.

When you have half the commitments of your competitors, it means that you are way, way behind. Even if he keep the current verbals, the rest of the class will be filled with 2-star players and below, which means your average rating is heading for a steep nosedive.

Make no mistake, I'm not saying that Beaty's job in recruiting is easy, but that's why he was hired, it's a place he has failed, and it's a big reason the team is not good.

My preference is a system coach from one of the academies. We need a coach with a system that can win with lower-rated players.

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 4 days ago

What ur asking for is a bit of a Dialectic dude. In one breath you can’t say our recruiting ranking is low and then in another breath say we should recruit low rated players and win with them. If 1-10 hasn’t scared off he 4 stars recruits, maybe they just might actually sign?

Jack Hoff 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Exactly Dyrk! This is a good recruiting class! People are acting like all the scholarships won’t eventually all be filled. It doesn’t matter how many numbers we have now.

Chris Johnson 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Let's not forget that the graduation rate of our football team compares very well with the general student population and also with other football teams. Our coaches are certainly being evaluated on that too. In that area, players and coaches appear to be winners.

Richard Duran 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Will Beatty bench the three captains? OU benched the Heisman trophy leader for what he did. Will Beatty have the guts to do the same?

Matt Gauntt 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Just FYI - Turner Gill is 6-5 this year. And Liberty was able to beat Baylor.

That should tell you how bad KU is this year.

Adam Engelbrecht 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Mike Hart: Use the reply function man. You posting a new comment every time you get upset at someone makes your ridiculous arguments hard to follow.

Michael Leiker 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Have a bunch of meeting in Oklahoma next week, most of my customers know I'm a big KU Football fan. I can't wait until I go into the first ones office who stands there with his hand behind his back when I reach to shake his hand. Thanks Jayhawks!

Barry Weiss 3 weeks, 4 days ago

that stunt, not sure if Beaty was aware of it ahead of time, destroyed his lone claim that he was teaching the players to "do it right". Lump that on top of his inability to coach x's and o's, recruit, sell tickets, and you have a big nothing burger from him.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 4 days ago

In response to Joe Black's post immediately below:

"You're just plain wrong in your comparison to the basketball team and the discipline that is instilled in that program. Why do you think you have to attack something that has nothing to do with the issue at hand?? That is called deflection. Can you not provide enough evidence to prove your point?"

Uh, Joe... my point was people are acting like there is no discipline in Beaty's program. Since when? They didn't shake hands on a coin flip. What other instances in THREE years has this team shown on the field? Their image on and off the field has been cleaned up greatly. Now then, my purpose for comparing to Bill Self is the myriad of on-court/off-court instances on Bill's team. It is selective outrage for "football fans" to rip Beaty for his players to refuse to shake hands.. and then talk about what a great, disciplined bunch of guys Bill Self has. Roy Williams didn't recruit guys that had 10% of the issues that Self's recruits had. And yes, Self has demonstrated discipline... but my god: He has had so many opportunities to demonstrate discipline (Josh Jackson, Markieff Morris, Josh Selby, Morris twins, Elijah Johnson (whom he didn't discipline), LaGerald Vick, Carlton Bragg, Billy Preston). I'm a fan of Self.. and I'm not knocking him... I'm just saying his kids have had a lot of issues. Until Nov 18th, 2017... when did Beaty's players have problems that have embarrassed the university.. .and that demonstrated Beaty doesn't run a disciplined team. This is Joe Dineen, Daniel Wise and Dorance Armstrong that we are talking about... hardly bad character guys. I'm just saying stick to criticizing Beaty on his coaching, X's and O's.. and not make the quantum leap to attack the man's character and integrity since he's been here.

Mike Hart 3 weeks, 4 days ago

Brett McCabe: We have found common ground. I agree 100% with your statement below. See? Miracles do happen! :)

"To me, this one hurts the worst. To read that Zenger was put-off by Doreen's aggressiveness in getting the job literally makes me want to go lose my dinner. It's hard to imagine anyone campaigning for this job and then, we snub him. It just adds to the fact that Zenger has absolutely no clue."

Layne Pierce 3 weeks, 3 days ago

In all the instances of firing, there was no indication of real progress. At some point, you have to give people a reason to believe. As Abe said, you can't fool all of the people all of the time.

When the stadium is empty will you Beaty supporters decide something needs to be done?

When we drop our football program, will that be time to get a new coach?

When Bill Self leaves when we have no place to go but the Mountain West, or drop football and join Wichita State in the American Conference? Will you then decide a change is needed?

Rock Chalk

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