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Saturday, November 21, 2015

Father explains Greene’s 6-game suspension due to playing-time dispute

Kansas guard Brannen Greene (14) throws his arms up after capping off a string of three against Northern Colorado during the second half, Friday, Nov. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas guard Brannen Greene (14) throws his arms up after capping off a string of three against Northern Colorado during the second half, Friday, Nov. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Kansas University’s basketball team will be without junior guard Brannen Greene for the upcoming Maui Invitational.

KU coach Bill Self announced Friday that Greene did not make the trip to Hawaii with his teammates and will serve a six-game suspension for “conduct detrimental to the team.”

Greene practiced Friday morning with the squad and reportedly had a good practice. However, he remained in Lawrence while the team took a charter flight to Maui. Self said Greene will resume practicing with the squad when the team returns from Hawaii.

Greene’s dad, Jeffrey, on Friday night stressed the suspension had nothing to do with any troubles with the law.

The suspension, Jeffrey explained, had to do with his son expressing displeasure after being pulled from Tuesday’s KU-Michigan State game shortly after entering the contest in the second half. Greene said something to the coach after leaving the game.

Also, there was a debate after the game between player and coach in the locker room. Jeff said he knows this because he and his wife were called to the locker room and witnessed the postgame discussion. He said he wished he and his spouse hadn’t been invited to be a part of the locker-room discussion.

Jeff, Brannen and other family members on Friday were quite upset with speculation on social media that Greene in some way broke the law and thus was suspended.

Jeffrey tweeted to fans that the reason for the suspension was “absolutely nothing unlawful of any kind. So stop (speculating)!”

He also tweeted: “Rumor has it B’s suspension centers around playing time debate. All those other rumors are not true! No drugs or violations.”

Jeffrey told the Journal-World: “My main focus is my wife and I did not enjoy the number of screen shots we were getting based on drug behavior or domestic violence or DUI, things like that. It was so open and causing my family concern across the country because they follow that stuff. I know it had nothing to do with that.

“The issue came about during the game in the second half and escalated in the locker room and parents were brought in to bear witness to it. The suspension is unfortunate for Brannen. He wants to play ball. On the court he’ll fight a lion for the basketball. He wants to get it done, wants to help the team.”

Greene has made it clear in his KU career he’d like extended minutes.

“Brannen wants to play. Coach Self is the head coach and decides who gets what minutes. Coach wants him to shut up (ostensibly about playing time). If you get six games, I think the kid will get the message. It’s just unfortunate, really unfortunate.”

Jeffrey said Brannen at this time was focusing on returning to practice when the team gets back from Hawaii.

“We heard today from one of the coaches he had a great practice. Coach Self had a great talk with him and he’s back on track and all that good stuff,” Jeffrey said.

Comments

Brian Skelly 4 years, 4 months ago

I think is countdown to leaving Lawrence has started...

Luca Rossi 4 years, 4 months ago

I really wish you guys would cut it out with all of this type of talk. There are a lot of ways this could end up and I will be heartbroken to see BG leave. I'm going to keep pushing through media to maybe get through to the coaches about the rotation. The fact is that BG was right to be upset. He has a tremendous will to win and is a diehard competitor. These are the kind of guys you want on your team. If he walked off the court and wasn't upset then there would be something wrong with that.

Mike Crosbie 4 years, 4 months ago

I kept yelling at the TV in 2nd half....PU T GREENE in !

Joe Joseph 4 years, 4 months ago

Who looks worse after all of this? Greene? Or Self?

Matt Gonzo 4 years, 4 months ago

Greene looks worse. Players don't run the team. You want more playing time, do what's expected of you. Give 110% percent on the floor....offense and defense. Fairly simple logic.

Gerry Butler 4 years, 4 months ago

exactly Matt, couldn't agree more. Greene needs to remember who is the coach, who is the player. Learn to play even half way some resemblance of Defense and maybe you get more playing time. Now not sure, should the parents have been brought into the locker room? I'm thinking maybe not, should of been a team issue behind closed doors, Players, Coaches, not players parents.Still Greene needs to get his head on straight this is # 3 there are a lot of Coaches where he would be OUT

Dale Rogers 4 years, 4 months ago

Agree. The coach runs the show. If a player wants to question how things are done, it should be done behind closed doors, one-on-one, not in front of the whole team. I agree about the parents and wonder why they were asked to be there. I cannot imagine a coach making that request unless the player insisted. Sounds like Self and Greene later had another talk and this is now in the past, other than having to serve the suspension. But I would think the leash is now pretty short. Another outburst and Greene may well be dismissed from the team.

Mike Trinastich 4 years, 4 months ago

Who have you been watching the last 2 years, it hasn't been Brannen Greene! If Bill Self continues not to be fair with Brannen his hopes of ever playing in the NBA is history! The scouts come to KU to see who's NBA material and if your always on the bench, like Brannen has been for the past 2 years, he's toast. Please STOP with the 110% stuff, I've coached for years and that cliche is STUPID! All anyone can give is 100% Bozo.....

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 4 months ago

Self.

Greene was likely expressing what many of the fans were after the loss. Self's stubborn streak to leave in players that are playing poorly over player's like Hunter or Greene is the reason we've lost several high profile games the past few years. Greene is being punished for saying exactly what everyone else was thinking.

Dale Rogers 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't think it has anything to do with being stubborn. It has to do with running a winning program. None of us, none of the players, none of the parents have what is necessary to make the program as successful as Self has made it. A coach cannot have players publicly questioning how he runs the show. That should be done strictly one on one behind a closed door. That is true in business, as well. Greene is free to discuss his concerns privately with Self but not publicly.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Even without a low post presence, Self continues to stubbornly play his high low offense. Bragg has continually tried to pass the ball in the low post area only to have Lucas or someone else mishandle the ball. Self made it very clear what he thinks about three point shooting, he calls it "fool's gold". He will tell his players to take the open shot when they get it but I don't see him running plays very often to open up the three.

Bee Bee 4 years, 4 months ago

To be fair to Self, Greene and Hunter haven't exactly lit it up in their careers. I do think Hunter needs more time but Greene, like Seldon has been a complete bust. They go off against nobody teams an vanish in the NCAA Tourney.

Richard Monsour 4 years, 4 months ago

Bee Bee what planet are you from? I don't care really but anyone who attends college and graduate are never a bust. If you watched the game you could clearly see in the second half total disarray , no offense, way to much dribbling and not one player stood out as exceptional. What I did see was very disappointing and selfish.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

This is Hunter's senior year. How much more time do you think he needs? Hunter is certainly more ready to play then Lucas will ever be.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Hunter? Greene? Have you watched a single game? It's players like Graham, Selden and Lucas eating up the minutes with limited production. Hunter and Greene barely get off the bench in the high-profile games. Not sure where you're coming from Daniel.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Good question - Why did Self feel the need to call Greene's parents in to 'witness' his behavior?

Was Greene 'out of control'?

Craig Alexander 4 years, 4 months ago

Pure speculation on my part but normally when kids keep acting like this it is. Product of the parents as well. Mom and Dad think he should be playing more too and probably help fuel frustration. Instead of them taking this conversation professionally they decided to defend Greene in the papers. Greene will have to really amp up his effort and defensive effectiveness to make it out of this doghouse. Doesn't matter if you generate offense if your man can score on you at will. Self is a percentage guy and while it might not have been true in the MSU game, Greene gets burned more than the other guards.

Richard Monsour 4 years, 4 months ago

To be fair Craig , you or I were not in the room or even know the circumstances to this whole debacle. I haven't seen enough of Greene's defense this year to notice if the hip injury last year was the result of his defensive skills or if he has recovered. What I did see at times a pure shooter, give the boy a chance too show us he can defend. It definitely wasn't his not defending that cost us the game but lack of offense,

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

It's just that I've never heard a coach call someone's parents into the locker room to handle/witness one of his players. If Self can't control the locker room then it's time for someone to go. Just like White, I expect Greene will be happy and flourish somewhere else.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Both and KU. Recruiting is just got tougher.

Chuck Wagstaff 4 years, 4 months ago

Self has collected multiple Big XII championships and a National title, along with a lot of respect from many players, fans, coaches, media. Greene has collected (at least) 3 suspensions.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

There is ZERO debate over this; it's Greene. To see "On the court he’ll fight a lion for the basketball" is hilarious. He stood around the entirety of his minutes on the floor against MSU and did nothing to get himself open or to help the offense run in any way.

It's as if Greene just thinks he is such an amazing shooter that he doesn't need to be bothered with all the other details of the game. Sorry, kid. That worked in high school, but not in college.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Well there does seem to be plenty of debate despite your proclamation. Self ran more plays for Lucas then he did for Greene and without a credible low post presence, it's more difficult to find the space he needs. Greene did drive inside picking up three fouls in making all six free throws.

Greene had six points in 9 min. Traylor had six points in 18 min. Graham had four points in 38 min. Lucas had two points in 14 min. Selden had 12 points in 27 min.

Hunter and Greene were the only two not to log 10 min. on the court (not counting walk ons).

I think Greene has a legitimate beef w/Self

Brianna Zaleski 4 years, 4 months ago

Valid point Daniel. But Greene still looks worse. You have to respect your coach. This isn't the pros, the coach is the boss at this level

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 4 months ago

The only thing that makes Greene look bad is how he said it this time. For all we know Greene has likely said it several times more 'professionally' and been ignored. Tuesday could've just been the straw the broke the camel's back and he mouthed-off inappropriately.

If my boss ignored my advice continually I'd get aggravated as well. Changing schools isn't as easy as finding a new 'job'.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

The is that he doesn't need to SAY IT, he needs to EARN IT. His defense is still a joke and he made zero effort on the offensive end to get himself in a good position to get the ball in a spot where he would be open to shoot. I have never seen anyone make themselves more easy to guard. He just stood there.

Greene sucked at both ends of the floor so I get why Self didn't play him more. At some point the guy has to get a clue and start putting in the work out there.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 4 months ago

Daniel Brianna is right on this. You boil it down like this was down between a boss and a employee, it was done in a game and in the locker room. If you have an issue with your boss I would doubt you would want to talk about it in front of everyone in the office. You would meet one on one behind closed doors and clear the air. The lack of respect Greene showed the coach and his fellow players was doing it in front of them. Think about, he is basically saying he is better than those that are playing, in front of those players. You just cannot do that and not expect ramifications. If his parents were brought in and it sounds like they agree with Self, this sounds like its the player lack of decorum more than anything else.

Mike Mills 4 years, 4 months ago

Unfortunate situation is right. Unsure how many of you have had the pleasure of being around or play for a coach who has had some success. Their ego is just as big if not bigger than his/her players. Don't know Bill personally but I'd probably guess he falls into that category and the confrontation possibly escalated a bit as a result.

I agree with Greene that he probably needs to be on the floor more but he went about stating his case the wrong way. Once he came at Self (and I'm guessing in front of the team) he had to deal with Greene to make sure everyone knew that type of behavior wasn't going to fly. Don't agree with bringing the parents in to be a part of the circus and it sounds like they didn't either. Not a good look for the Jayhawks to future recruits and their parents.

Bill's system is based on playing inside-out. To effectively do so you need to spread the floor by hitting jumpers so the D can't collapse into the paint. Contrary to some people's opinion, Greene IS one of the best shooters in the country and the BEST on this team. You want to spread the floor then Greene is the most capable. Not the only option but is the most accurate.

Is he immature? Yes. Is he a bad defender? Yes but don't we have other bad defenders getting minutes? Can a locked in Greene better their chances at a National Championship? Absolutely!

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

What I wonder about is how this will affect recruitment. If you're known as a knockdown three point shooter, would your first choice be Kansas?

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

Yes. Self is very open and honest with recruits. He tells them that they will need to earn playing time and nothing will just be handed to them. Many recruits have stated that thy like this about Self and KU.

All this does is prove that Self's message isn't just lip service. Greene hasn't done what's necessary to earn more time.

Richard Monsour 4 years, 4 months ago

Could not agree with you more, Mike you said it pure and simple. The offense will not be effective without the shooter to open it up for the inside game.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

Svi has been worse than Graham and Graham hasn't been very good.

Bill Kackley 4 years, 4 months ago

Well put Mike Mills agree with you 100%. Coach Self plays favorite, that hurts team unity. Graham sucked all night long and played 38 minutes. Hunter needed to be in there more minutes also. Maybe the best thing for KU basketball is for Bill Self to move on to the proS. That said I do agree with the suspension, players cant do that. But coach need to play his best, not his favorites.

Mike Trinastich 4 years, 4 months ago

If Traylor plays just ONE minute, then Greene should play the entire game! Traylor is the perfect example of Self's history of playing "favorites". It's really hard to believe Self even gave Traylor a scholarship in the first place let alone having him STARTING for one of the top 3 programs in the WORLD! What really shocked me the worst and after a year of recruiting the very first real game of the pre season Self started the very same guys he started last year. Pre season is the time you start and take long looks at your new people and last years non starters like Hunter, Svi, Bragg and Vick....Traylor is a real embarrassment and I think I believe the rumor about him related to, and lives in Self's attic.

John Boyle 4 years, 4 months ago

You're an idiot.Traylor is an energy guy. Should he start?? Maybe not but he has a place on the team. The one that shouldn't be on a division one team is Lucas. He is slow and has no offensive or defensive skills.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

AGAIN, Traylor is an effort guy, running around, hustling and TRYING. Not surprising that Traylor gets minutes from Self, even if his effort doesn't generate a lot of great results.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

Graham's mistakes were errors in execution but at least they were EFFORTS to try to do something good. Greene's mistakes were standing around doing NOTHING. No shots, no movement to try to get open to make a shot, no effort at the defensive end as he moped over not getting any shots (as if shots are handed out).

I have no problem with mistakes made WITH EFFORT. Sometimes you make a shot, sometimes you miss. Self favors guys who are TRYING; I don't have a problem with that, either.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Graham had 4 times the minutes but 1/3 the production compared to Greene in the point total.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Not a math major - Graham had 4 points in 38 min. Greene had 6 in 9 min.

Michael Sillman 4 years, 4 months ago

All coaches play favorites to a lesser or greater extent. It can be maddening to players and fans when they feel an unfair bias is being shown to unproductive players.

It appeared that even Self felt some need to defend Graham's 38 minutes in the post game when he cited Graham's effectiveness in guarding Valentine. Personally I didn't see it that way.

Valentine got around all of our guards with equal ease and no one met him in the paint as shown by our one blocked shot for the entire game.

If the chosen players had come through during the stretch run, no one would be criticizing the coaching decisions despite the lousy shooting percentages. Since the players did not perform, it is perfectly legitimate to question the coach for not trying someone else.

Over time inappropriate favoritism by coaches usually works itself out. That type of coach gets fired.

Yonatan Negash 4 years, 4 months ago

I'm with Greene on this one, if I were in his shoes I would be frustrated too. Playing time disputes between players and coaches happen quite frequently. Willing to bet Greene is not the only one disputing with B.S for playing time. Some may argue the coach is the boss and should make the ultimate decision on on playing time. While, I respect the coaches position, coaches don't always get it right. In this case, we'd all agree some of the players (i.e. Selden, Traylor, Graham, Lucas, etc). getting major minutes aren't producing as expected. At the very least some of these players getting major minutes have shown inconsistent play. As I see it, if players aren't producing make the changes necessary. If that means trying out different players, so be it.

I actually respect B. Greene for stepping up to B.S and essentially telling him his decision making aren't working.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 4 months ago

You dont do that on National TV coming back to the bench and you do not do it in front of the locker room. That is flat wrong. That conversation is one on one behind closed doors. Period. No one can be above the team.

He might have a valid point, he might even change the coaches mind. There is no chance that happens in front of everyone.

Yonatan Negash 4 years, 4 months ago

Just curious, do you think this is the first time a player has said something to a coach on the bench or national T.V?

These things happen more than you think. Someone made a comment about B.S letting his ego take over at time. I believe B.S has always tried to make examples of players when things go wrong or someone speaks up. B.S may want to start taking accountability for all the bad decisions made as of late. Often times players are used as the scapegoat when things go wrong, you'll never hear a coach come out and admit fault.

Like I said before, I respect B. Greene for speaking up on behalf of many that do not have the courage to speak up to B.S.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 4 months ago

Yonatan for someone who is not on the bench or in the locker room you are reaching way too far into what is and what is not said or done.

The player disrespected his team and his coach in front of the crowd and his team, twice. This is courage to act like a child? Your response is that Self had it coming cause you have projected some bizarre reason that Self acts too much like a Coach? Do you understand how sports works, how coaching a team works? Maybe you just have an issue with an authority figure and this is your way of releasing you pent up anger?

This is a repeat disciplined player, this is not his first time for a player who keeps pushing his own selfish agenda.

Like I said it amazes me that you are going to pat Greene on the back with an atta boy for this immature behavior. Whats next you want players to sub themselves in when they want, make up their own plays and run them, oh oh how about we just stop keeping score? Maybe no fouls?

Ever hear of The Law of Karma - cause and effect? When you act like a child to get your way, sometimes you are going to get a timeout.

There is nothing courageous in stomping your feet and holding your breath.

Yonatan Negash 4 years, 4 months ago

Rodney -

Why do you feel the need to respond to my post with insult? I have my views and opinion on the matter as you do. You should learn to respect the views and opinions of others without judgment and insult, I find your last reply amusing, insulting, belittling and extremely disrespectful. If you feel compelled to respond, at the very least stick to the issue without getting personal. Just because others disagree with your views doesn’t make them less knowledgeable about sports, coaching or having a problem with authority figure. The notion that your views on the matter are more important than others is absurd. To be direct, I’m not sure that you know what went down in that locker room either so reserve your unwarranted insult. Happy to debate but will not engage in any counterproductive and negative discussion.

In case you’d like me to elaborate on what really frustrates me with B.S., I’d be happy to share. Been a Kansas Jayhawk fan since 1985 (30 years). Actually grew up close to Lawrence, KS. I’ve had my share of hear breaks following Kansas basketball. Like most, I was devastated when Larry Brown left the program and was cautiously excited when Roy Williams took over as coach. Again, I was disappointed when Roy left for NC and again was cautiously excited of a young Bill Self taking over a rich program like Kansas. In my 30 years following the program, I’d never seen such an alarming trend of players either transferring or leaving the program. Since 2004, there having been a number of players leaving the program, including: 1. David Padgett 2. Omar Wilkes 3. Alex Galindo 4. Nick Bahe 5. Micah Downs 6. Quintrell Thomas 7. Royce Woolridge 8. Merv Lindsay 9. Andrew White III 10. Zach Peters 11. Rio Adams 12. Conner Frankamp 13. Milton Doyle 14. Nadir Tharpe

The rate of players leaving the program are a direct indictment on Bill Self as the head coach of one of the richest basketball programs in the country. As someone that believes coaches have the ability to successfully mold the character of all players, mentor them, and develop them to become leaders through their influence within the program, I seriously have my doubts in Bill Self's abilities to mold these players.

Yonatan Negash 4 years, 4 months ago

In reference to your comment about “having an issue with authority figure”; contrary to what you believe from the short comments I posted, I am a firm believer in discipline. But I don’t believe in not adopting to players in this day and age, I don’t believe in having a short leash with players, I don’t believe in the “My way or the highway mentality”. I believe one of the perquisites for coach is retain the ability to develop strong relationships with the players and to help develop these young men so they can reach their maximum potentials. Coaches should also be fair and honest with respect to the players recruited. If a coach does not believe or has doubt the players recruited (i.e., Hunter Michelson, Brennan Greene, etc.) may never start or earn significant amount of playing time, than why recruit them to your program?

If those players are being recruited as role players and the coach is upfront with them from the start, than why do we often hear the same issue come up?

I don't believe it's fair to the players that bust their tails to earn playing time or start but never do because of some flaw system the coaches has in place. The success of Kansas basketball is will always rely on the players we recruit, develop and the coaches hired. The notion that the coach is more important than the players is baffling but that’s a whole different topic/debate.

It’s also worth noting that future recruits and other programs (UK, Duke, NC, TX and others) are taking notice of the number of players leaving Kansas as well as the debacles we've had in recent years. I would speculate when competing for recruits, coaches use any leverage to sway players from committing or considering Kansas.

In addition, like most hardcore Kansas fan’s, I’ve seen a number of devastating losses in the last 12 NCAA tournaments to question the head coach’s abilities. Specifically alarming trend loses to Mid-Major Teams. Let’s not forget the complete debacle against Michigan in 2013 and losing to Wichita State in 2014. Sure, winning the national championship in 2008 was than less than satisfying but losing to mid-major teams is irreversible and doubt will persist.
• 2004 – Lost to Georgia Tech • 2005 – Lost to Bucknell (1st round) • 2006 – Lost to Bradley (1st round) • 2010 – Lost to Northern Iowa (2nd round) • 2011 – Lost to VCU • 2013 – Lost to Michigan (you remember this one, don’t you?) • 2014 – Lost to Stanford (2nd round) • 2015 - Lost to Wichita State (2nd round)

FYI: I’m aware of the conference streak but as a true fan, I would trade the streak for another national championship any given day.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Let's remember that when Kansas was in Korea, Greene was at home recovering from hip surgery. he went through a lot to get ready for the season and I can understand his frustration although not his actions. If he and Self went at it in private, that's a different situation but it's still not likely to get you more minutes.

Self is clearly a guy who believes you need to earn your minutes in practice but he seemed to hesitate in making substitutions when players weren't performing. I can't figure out why Lucas got 14 min. and Mickelson only 3 min.

It doesn't seem that long ago when this team was one of the leaders in scoring and scoring efficiency. I think that comes from trying to mold the players into his system instead of modifying his system to his players. This team has talent and experience - no excuse for shooting below 35% against Michigan State.

Kevin Jenkins 4 years, 4 months ago

I can't agree more. Hey Self, coach, Wake up. If it's not working, use your bench. Didn't the asst.coaches see how bad our starting guards were playing? Who knows what Greene said, but I think I would have said something also. Watching from the bench must be hard thinking you could do better and not having the opportunity to show it. Let's hope BILL SELF might read a few of these posts. 6 games is too long. Even other teams don't punish their players for that amount of time for greater infractions. It is nice to see so many people on the same page.

Shane Johnston 4 years, 4 months ago

The best thing for the team is for Coach Self to get through to Brannen. Six games will either be long enough to do it (finally) or it will be enough to push him out the door.

Cameron Schienebeck 4 years, 4 months ago

I highly doubt playing time disputes is considered "conduct detrimental to the team.” Especially one that leads to a 6 game suspension. I do feel we will have an unexpected scholarship available at the end of the year.

Ashwin Rao 4 years, 4 months ago

I have a feeling (no facts) that Mr. Green may have been a bit more aggressive than just raise his hand to get noticed by his coach. Otherwise parents won't be involved, and 6 game suspension would not have been warranted.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 4 months ago

Yep. Disagreeing with your coach does not warrant a 6 game suspension.

Eric Schneider 4 years, 4 months ago

It's cumulative. If this was the first incident with Greene I would agree. But it's not. Inconsistent effort and a bad attitude are as much or more a hallmark of Greene's time at KU as his shooting.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

No but yelling at your coach in front of the team about the fact that you disagree with him does, especially when you have been suspended multiple times for other incidents.

Jay Beakum 4 years, 4 months ago

Coach Self is here to coach a season, not one game. BG simply cannot undermine that with a hissy fit. He's a freaking child!! You all think he knows better than Self?!!

You all think YOU know better than Self?

Please.

BG will either grow into the player (and teammate) that he could be, or he'll be gone.

Stephen Koontz 4 years, 4 months ago

All I know for sure is I sit and watch these games and wonder why Brannen Greene is not in the game.

Kent Richardson 4 years, 4 months ago

Likely as we all do Stephen. However I also am likely to say "now I see why he is not In there. Unfortunately there is no DH position in BB.

It becomes more and more apparent this is an undermanned team. Not sure if this fact, us being undermanned, should help or hurt his chances for playing time. Getting sideways with Self probably doesn't help but it will take both Self and Greene to suck it up and do what is best to win games.

Shane Johnston 4 years, 4 months ago

Brannen is not in the game because he is the most one-dimensional rotation player on the roster.

That and the fact that there's more competition for 3-spot minutes than any other position.

Gerry Butler 4 years, 4 months ago

obviously you only watch one end of the floor. answer me this, let me try and explain more slowly, EXACTLY what good is Brannen doing for us if he hits the 3 and then spends his time after taunting and showing up players off the other team, when main while his man is back down on their end scoring at will because Brannen can't find a Webster's to look up the definition of defense is? Right now for sure Brannen is a distraction to the team, you got a problem with playing time, you don't act like a fool in game time, you don't confront in the locker room, you take it to the office 1 on 1. not all he is doing here is causing friction with other players trying to show them up, by confrontation in the locker room with the other players present he is coming out and just saying I'm better then this guy or that guy, ummmmm that's not togetherness- - -unity on the team what that is , is gonna cause more friction between him and the other players. LEARN some kind of resemblance of Defense maybe you see the floor

Craig Alexander 4 years, 4 months ago

I'm with most of you that Greene should be playing more. However, a parent going public just so his family knows the truth will not be good for his playing time either. You leave the issue in house and deal with it like men. Now that this is in the papers rather than just speculation I think we can guarantee Svi will be getting a lot of backup minutes.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

If HCBS wanted to handle this like men between him and Greene then he never should have called in his parents. That's something a high school coach might do.

John Boyle 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe if BG didn't act like a little whiny kid the parents wouldn't have been asked to the locker room.

Vernon Riggs 4 years, 4 months ago

I think Jeff Greene handled it correctly. He didn't go into detail about the conversation between HCBS and the Greene's. But he cleared up the 'drug issues'. I have no problems with that. It will work out.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Sad that it had to come to this but it was only a matter of time. It is only human nature to speak out if you see that you are unfairly being benched. It probably did not help to have articles this week featuring our new leader Graham who is probably playing the worst and gets 38 minutes and chucks up bricks and not being held to the same standards. Also for Graham to say that he had a meeting with Seldon and Mason about how the three of them have to play better. Where is the meeting will all the guards? Not a Graham fan and Self better reel him in. If he is the face of our team we are really in trouble.

Most of us on here see the Eye Test and know that Greene should be playing more and I can only imagine being Greene and him steaming inside twice as much. I don’t blame him and Self is in for a long season because there are others on the bench with the same feelings as Greene. Concerned that the parents were in the locker room too? “What in the bloody hell is going on out there?”

Doug Cramer 4 years, 4 months ago

Pretty much what I suspected.

Regarding Self...the proof is in the pudding...he knows how to coach. Conference championships all over the place and 1 national title.

I still wonder if he favors the wrong guys at times. Mickelson is next to get upset, because we play 10 times better when his length is in the game.

Mickelson needs to play coach.

Shane Johnston 4 years, 4 months ago

Hunter is only going to see a big bump in playing time if Self feels like he's a significant upgrade over Landen. Landen really struggled last game, but I have to think he played much closer to his floor than his ceiling. As long as there's a negligible difference between Hunter and Landen, Self is going to play Landen. He'll be back for another year, and there may not be much help from recruiting.

Bob Thompson 4 years, 4 months ago

I am not a big fan of Greene, very poor defensive player. He can shoot, but he can't clear himself to get a shot. That being said, KU's offense didn't run plays to get any of the 3 point shooters open. No drive and dish, no screens for the 3. If you are not going to run an offense to get the 3 point shooter open, then Greene shouldn't be in the game.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

To me Ellis and Mason are the only locks. All the other positions are up for grabs and I would put Graham, Traylor and Seldon on the bench some more to wake them up. Would be interesting to see how they would react to that! Plus the Hi Low has to go!

Ashwin Rao 4 years, 4 months ago

I believe that coach needs to be given room to make decisions & I don't comment on incidents, especially if I am not armed with complete facts. If the coach stops to deliver to institution/fans' expectations, he will be gone before you blink!

As a fan, though, I love reading the back-and-forth on these forums as they make for an entertaining reading. Keep it going, folks!

Robert Brock 4 years, 4 months ago

If Brannen is not mature enough to handle situations like this he is free to look elsewhere.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Ashwin I agree but Self is not a new coach. If he would live up to his two main goals there would not be many calling him out. He is paid millions to recruit the top talent in the country and win championships (and I don't mean Big 12) and at minimum challenge for the final 4 every year. His system is broken and the best young talent do not want to play for him and without talent you cannot compete with the elite teams.

The fan base is now questioning why and rightfully so. How many years do we sit back and take it. He has had his time and we expect more. I live in the Big 10 country and Kentucky's back yard. They are laughing at us! They love Bill Self and want him to stay just like many on here!! Many of you live in KS or MO and not around other teams fans to hear it.

Jonathan Unruh 4 years, 4 months ago

Bill saying "11 players think they should all play." That's his responsibility to keep them poised to play. As fans and supporters we want that. Hunter and Greene need more PT period. We should be running teams off the court if everyone gets a decent opportunity. It takes energy to play good defense. We are lacking.

JD Roth 4 years, 4 months ago

I called for Mickelson last season and he produced. Fans get tired of seeing point blank bunnies rim out.

Rodney Atkinson 4 years, 4 months ago

All the "arm chairs" showed up, a lot of you second guessing 1 of the top 3 coaches in the nation in men's college hoops. SERIOUSLY??? It's amazing how smart some of you are. You have all the answers, witnessed nothing, so you are no different than the NCAA, in my humble opinion. Guilty until proven otherwise. I'm sure you can pick up an application to offer your services as the next hbc of KU and be strongly considered based on your wide expertise according to your posts. Drink some more Kool-Aid, the sky is falling.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Blah Blah Blah Rodney. You are the follower who is drinking the Kool-Aid. Self is no longer a top 3 coach. He is slipping every year and why no decent guard or top player wants to play for him. The Sky could be falling and you can’t see it because you are up Self”s Ass!

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Great Article…The following need to read this: Jack Hoff Tom Jones Humpy Helsel Marius Rowlanski Dan Mangan Josh Galler Michael Lorraine Clark Groseth JD Roth Robin Smith Brian Freiss Ashwin Rao Jeff Foster Jerry Walker Mick Allen Beate Williams Rodney Atkinson

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

I thought the article below it "2011 Broke Bill Self" was a good read also. still, these are only the opinions from other journalist. You can just as easily find articles that unconditionally support Self. I thought the 2010 draft set KU back and also shied away other top pgs.

Shane Johnston 4 years, 4 months ago

The most concerning thing in the article is the comment about three pointers being fool's gold. Keep in mind, though, that we were really streaky last year. Have we ever had a season when so many 20+ point leads evaporated into thin air?

The article is one person's opinion. The questioning of Coach Self is higher every year when the season ends.

IF criticism is at an all-time high now, then the problem is with the fanbase. The all-time high should not come in mid-November against the 13th ranked team in the county on a neutral site when Cheick was ineligible.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 4 months ago

What I liked about it was the step by step recap. They are symptoms and they are becoming consistent. Add to that the difficulty over the last few years signing "anyone" in the early signing period. Something is amiss. When you consider what we have to offer now, new dorms, remodel, the whole offer, it is astounding that we are not even ranked again while everyone we compete with for top recruits have been very successful.

This is not a problem with the fanbase being spoiled, there is something systemic here. It is not getting better or righting itself either. We keep drifting. Sure 11 straight is great, but I am not sure what that means considering we seem to be a much weaker conference since all the departures.

No one said it was the all time high in November, what is concerning is that is it the same mistakes, same lost leads and same issue with scoring disappearing for long stretches. Sure its early but it still looks the same.

Benz Junque 4 years, 4 months ago

Your clinging to this ridiculous "signing in the early period" is mind boggling. You know who signed in the early signing period? BRANNEN GREENE! How's that working out?

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 4 months ago

The writer answered every question he posed. Injuries, ineligible players, player turnover, and the inherent upsets that every team experiences in the tournament. It's the nature of the game.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 4 months ago

Its not the nature of the game for the team we compete with. Duke won last year, KY 4 out of 5 last final fours, MSU great recruits on the way, All Americain playing this year, on and on and on. We cannot compete with the top tiers anymore, cause we do not get enough top players.

Self has put amazing band aid class's together late, way late but we keep ariving late to the process.

To think nothing is wrong is just burying your head in the sand.

Something seems off and its been going on a few years.

11 straight is always the reply, think about it, we almost never get beat at home, that is 9 wins. we win at least 4-5 away, 2-3 of those wins are easy that means a couple of tough road wins. Does not sound as impressive? Its a nice accomplishment, why do we fall apart in the NCAA's the last 3years?

Houston we might have a problem.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 4 months ago

Who’s burying their head in the sand? No one is happy with exiting the tournament in the second round but it doesn’t mean the sky is falling. Look up the tournament records of every good program and you’ll see the same thing. Coach Self has a proven track record and to terminate him would be short sighted.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Michael Proven is not so proven. What are you thinking? The Phog has made Self a great looking coach. Outside that he has been very disappointing! Early exits are very common for self with teams that should win more.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 4 months ago

By your logic coach k should have been fired before last season because he lost in the first round two times in 3 years. Get a grip on realty. Yes, we want to win more, what team doesn’t. But there is this thing called competition that prevents us from winning as much as we’d like. Duke, Louisville, North Carolina, Michigan State, have all gone through similar tournament experiences.

Rodney Crain 4 years, 4 months ago

Always with the sky is falling excuse. There have been factual shortfalls with our teams performance and early recruiting. The blog points these out. We should not be struggling, especially this year signing top 100 big men.

You are reading in way too much, I have never said on here Self should be replaced. Point that out to me where I have ever said that. You are making stuff up.

Look something is off. We are not playing like we usually do over the last few years, we are not getting early commits, while other schools can and do. We are getting beat out for players who could start for us.

Quit living in the past Michael, it obvious it is not impressing this years recruits or the teams we will be playing.

Rodney Atkinson 4 years, 4 months ago

James, apparently your glass is half full. good thing you have a glass stomach so you can see where your going

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Again with your head up Self's ass how can you see??

Matt Gauntt 4 years, 4 months ago

Completely agree, Rodney A. I see even today a bunch of people are talking about hurting recruiting, etc., but at the same time they fail to realize that Greene's dad was upset about all the speculation about drugs. The idiots that sometimes post on this page are really frustrating. Cut with all the idiotic, wild speculation. Cut all the idiotic arm chair coaching. People with nothing else in their lives except wanting to be heard.

Humpy Helsel 4 years, 4 months ago

OK. Coach, let's get a parents support group together and let's let them decide who plays how much and when. Then, after they meet, let's have them put the results out on social media with comments and opinions. Cool! It's a new, hip way to run a college basketball program with great players who all want max playing time. Once we have that component up and running, let's have a fan poll website with voting to see who starts, who plays and and how long. We could also pit parents, players and fans against each other in the voting. We can calibrate the voting so parents and players, who are a smaller group, have votes with more weight against the horde of fan experts. Or, you could just recruit a two or three great players, a large group of mediocre players, and a few non-scholarship players so we have enough to practice, and then we won't have any controversy at all. Other than the one about needing to recruit more elite players than two or three. Come on guys...keep it going! There must be many other creative ways to decide who plays and how long. Maybe online voting DURING the game...That would be cool!

Mark Lindrud 4 years, 4 months ago

38 minutes, 1-9 shooting, 0-4 3 pt shooting, 2 assists, 4 points: Graham 9 minutes, 0-0 shooting, 6-6 free throw shooting, 1 assist, 6 points: Greene. I am a big Self supporter, but the numbers don't lie. What if we set up shots for Greene during the game? Like we used to do for Reed and Morningstar.

Beate Williams 4 years, 4 months ago

Sometimes I am amused at what happens on this board and other times I wonder who are you folks. A coach makes decisions not based on solely what we as fans see during games but on what the players do at practice and the games. Obviously we don't know what happens at practice, since they are closed, but I would guarantee you that what happens regarding playing time is predicated greatly on what happens in practice.

How many championships did Roy win when he was the coach of KU? How many coaches are out there now who have been deemed as the greatest thing since...who are without a Nat'l Championship and definitely have not won 11 straight league championships?

There is big money in coaching, whether at the college or pro level and I would be willing to bet that none on this board is making the kind of money available to those coaches but so many seem to know more than CS. It simply amazes me that we have so much basketball genius that is going to waste.

When I think about the BG situation I can't imagine parents being called into the situation unless Brannen was being totally unreasonable and needed to be calmed down because he was not being rational in his argument. And as others have stated, I cannot imagine an employee taking on his boss in front of all the other employees with the expectation that the employee would have a job the next day. Others have indicated that the more rational approach would have been for Brannen to speak privately with the coach, express his feelings and provide the coach with valid reasons as to why he thinks he should get more playing time, not simply because "I can shoot the three." Believe it or not their are quite a few people who can shoot the three but that is all they do and they find themselves on the bench, if in basketball at all.

The coach coaches and if things are not happening on the floor that means the team is not executing, it isn't necessarily that the coach is providing them with the right plays, the team needs to execute and I would be willing to bet, the players on the floor or the players who execute, in practice and in the games, to the coaches satisfaction. It is easy to play Monday morning quarterback and find all kinds of things wrong when you have half of the information but think you know it all.

One last thought, it is November and I think the team has a great nucleus and they will figure it out. I don't think CS is so stubborn that he will let his ego prevent him from making changes that will improve the team's chances at success and I believe anyone who thinks otherwise is living in an alternate universe.

James Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Sounding like the same arm chair coaches that you are dogging. Basically no one can have an opinion so why can you? Are you smarter or better than us? You know everything going on in practice and behind the scenes!

Think about it Greene is sitting on the bench because he can’t guard but he can shoot the ball. Graham can’t guard or shoot the ball but he plays 38 minutes. As a competitive person I would be pissed too. No I need to sit on the bench and be quiet?? I would have done it different but right now and as in years past there is no clear reason why some play or not play under Self. You can be an arm chair coach and see it. It’s OK! I do it and you can coach for free or charity!

Jesse O'Brien 4 years, 4 months ago

Brannen's Defense is the reason he doesn't start for this team. We all know he's argueably the best shooter on this team, but his Defense is a liability. If he was a lockdown defender his playing time would probably double. His attitude doesn't help. Rock Chalk and FREE CHEICK!

Don Johnson 4 years, 4 months ago

If some of those who have commented would consider the patterns HCBS has shown in past years, they might see the current situation differently. Every year, until the end of the first semester, he is looking at and evaluating players. BG got a lot more time after December last year. There are players getting minutes now that will be hard pressed to see anythng other than clean up minutes in January-March. We don't know what HCBS was looking at during the MSU game, and it seems odd to me that so many seem so disatisfied with the best coach KU has ever had (statistically). It's not like fans should never quesion what coach does, but to suggest he doesn't really know what he's doing seems a bit out in left field. It also seems excessive to suggest that HCBS can't recruit or that game has passed him by. Given the time of his tenure, how many coaches have done better? Not many have. Self continues to be a top recruiter. It's not his fault the NCAA is keeping his top recruit off the floor while they examine his sixth grade transcripts. Other than Slick Cal, and possibly coach K, who has more national championships in the time HCBS has been at KU. Maybe if you're 20, your attitude is more like, "what have you done for us this month." For the rest of us who have a bit longer perspective (I enrolled at KU in 1967), let's git a grip before being so critical.

Chad Badowski 4 years, 4 months ago

Greene is a streaky shooter but you have to be able to get open to shoot. Also, comparing the stats of Graham and Greene is unfair. Graham can bring the ball up the court. I hold my breath every time BG dribbles the ball. It's Self's team. I'm sure he has his reasons for the lack of playing time. Maybe a missed trip to Hawaii will light a fire under BG. I'm rooting for the guy. We need to be more of an outside threat and he can bring that to the table.

On a side note, how many times did our bigs get blocked in this game? It seemed like PE was getting swatted all night long as well as some of our guards forcing the issue and getting blocked. Those are wasted possessions and they add up in a close game.

Jonathan Unruh 4 years, 4 months ago

Greene will come back. Hopefully sooner than 6 games. Leadership, hard work and commitment. Hunter proved his value this summer. Both need the opportunity. Freshman needs to take a seat until were up 20.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

Yup and was rewarded w/3min. while Lucas played 14 min.

Austin Lopez 4 years, 4 months ago

Why are the majority of you guys bashing BG defense? Like every player in the starting lineup doesn't have flaws? Wake up nobody is perfect, his defense might not be the greatest but what he lacks in that category he makes up on offense. BG rightfully does deserve more playing time, from what I have seen he has played great when he is on the floor, how many of you can say Wayne Selden has played better than BG this season? Selden is inconsistent, and for the portion who say BG is a little behind from the surgery, come on now, he's a jr things have been the same from his freshman year he knows the plays and all the other stuff, he didn't seem rusty from his first game, Bill Self is trying to be loyal to Wayne Selden but that loyalty is going to bite him in the ass like it always does, Bill Self always has that one player that he is loyal to no matter who performs better than them in practice, and games. ONLY thing that is keeping BG at Kansas is his father, I have been in BG shoes before, upset about playing time, and handled it in the way he handled it, coaches don't like being called out in front of there team, or for that case anywhere in public by one of there own. But sometimes you gotta cause a friction to get your point across (How many of you thought of maybe this happened before and they had a conversation behind closed doors and Maybe Bill Self promised him and assured him more playing time? I don't know if this is the case but if you were promised something and the person who promised you didnt come through on there end of the bargin wouldn't you be pissed off?)

Rick Meyer 4 years, 4 months ago

I no longer wonder why top players go to Kentucky. Self is very hard headed when it comes to coaching the offense. "go through the bigs". Our bigs aren't very good quite frankly. Good coaches coach to the strengths of his players.....not pushing the issue to "go through the bigs". (They're missing layups.) Frustration will increase as the season progresses because of the poor recruiting that's been going on for the last two years. Kentucky has two starting fives on their team. We have two coaches sons on ours.......go figure.

Austin Lopez 4 years, 4 months ago

Danny Manning leaving Kansas has really hurt the last couple of years..... Kansas wasn't even suppose to land Diallo he was suppose to really end up at St Johns until there coach was fired and thats facts and one of you can take that couple 2 mins and google it.... Bill Self has to adjust to his players Kansas isn't landing the big time Bigs they once were...

Cary Ediger 4 years, 4 months ago

11 straight big 12 titles and a National Championship, what more do you want from a head coach ?

Stop back seat driving and let the man do his job..... he seems to be doing one hell of a job.

Jim Pendleton 4 years, 4 months ago

Some of you guys have got to be kidding! It really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks outside the coaching staff. They want their players to do what they ask them to, and it's not just about the games, it's also about work ethic in practice, class, and how you handle yourself around others.

A lot of us played the game on some level. To those of you supporting Greene's position, ask yourself if you popped off to your coach during the game or after the game in front of your team, what do you think would happen? My Dad coached me a few years, and he wouldn't have thought twice about sitting me or any of my teammates had any of us done what Greene supposedly did. Also wouldn't have mattered if I had lit up the scoreboard (which didn't happen often for the record), if I wasn't doing what they wanted defensively, I'd be on the bench. End of discussion!

Obviously KU has a history of many good players. Everyone that comes to any school, especially one with our traditions, believes they are good enough to play at this level. As they should, you must always have confidence in yourself. However no one person is above the program. What the coaches say, goes. You may not like it, and you are free to ask why things are happening a certain way, the answer of which may not be what you want or are hoping for. But the place to do that is in private, not in front of a TV audience or your teammates after any game, let alone a tough loss. Spouting off about it is only going to get you deeper in the doghouse.

Hopefully everyone understands who is in charge here. You can agree or disagree with the staff's decisions game to game. However, they are in charge, and as stated earlier, no one person is above the program. Check your ego at the door, do what the coaches ask of you, and always do your best to improve all facets of your game. That is how you get noticed!

Brent Holman 4 years, 4 months ago

About time someone showed some emotion! However, there is a correct way to show that emotion which Greene must not have done. At least he was fired up and wanting to win because the last 9 mins of that game it didn't look like any Jayhawk on the floor wanted to win that game.

One additional question to ponder, Why won't our Big men dunk the ball??

Brent Holman 4 years, 4 months ago

SELF NEEDS TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT AND IMPROVE:

He is one of the best coaches in the game and no one at Kansas should be calling for his job, but his formula of half court man-to-man and high low offense won't win a national championship this year with this team - we don't have a rim protector that allows us to play aggressive man-to-man. Plus if we are out matched in the post we will get eatin alive.

He has one of the deepest teams he has ever had and one of the smallest teams in the post he has ever had. Cheick is still only 6'9" and he is a freshman and has a lot to learn.

Bill should look at pressing the entire game. He should use the depth to his advantage subbing players to keep them fresh. We will wear down the other team because we are so much deeper than them. He needs to make some sort of an adjustment otherwise we will win the big 12 and probably lose in the round of 16 or 8 if were lucky.

Town Thomas 4 years, 4 months ago

I am with BG on this one. It's not about what is appropriate or not. It's about right or wrong.

I used to think Coach Self was a mentor. Not any more. He is actually a businessman.

(I did not like the way he kicked Tharp out of the program. Didn't like the way he played with the kid (Milton?) from Chicago. Wanted him first and then said no to him. )

Austin Lopez 4 years, 4 months ago

Dear Bill Self I love you as a coach but please move on to the NBA so Kansas can throw evrrything at Coach Kevin Ollie so he comes to Kansas, dang I love the personality, basketball IQ, the winning attutide of Kevin Ollie, I don't know how many of you guys keep track of UCONN but man look what he has accomplished in a short period of time as there head coach, the guys a winner on the court and on the recruiting trail, you know how much Kevin Ollie would accomplish with this years team? I'm pretty sure Kansas would of whooped Michigan State by about 30, he would of full court pressed so many turnovers out of Michigan State.... This is Kevin Ollies type of team forget bigs he wins without them... (I just had that on my mind and wanted to say it)

James Donnell 4 years, 4 months ago

I can sympathize with Greene. He is coming back from an injury and surgery, shoots 100% in the first two games, then sees limited PT in the second game, and gets frustrated. However, he handled it wrong--should have been a closed door discussion. Granted, he is one dimensional but is usually instant offense, and would reliably be so if plays were designed for him. That I don't get (or don't see). IMO, he is an underused weapon. But you can't question the head coach's decisions in public. The whole thing is unfortunate for many reasons--he seemed to be doing well, coming back from his surgery, and now the kid misses the Hawaii trip and SIX games, hurts the team, etc. None of us heard the conversation, but being suspended for a fifth of the season (after missing Korea and an exhibition game) seems harsh. Self must have been ticked and probably the reason he had the parents in the locker room.

Adam Miller 4 years, 4 months ago

I have a question...

Who does Bill Self have on his staff that'll tell him "No, I don't think that's a good idea"?

Every great CO needs an XO to occasionally -- when a REALLY bad idea comes up (and we all get them) -- say "No, that isn't a good idea." With the '08 team (and to a degree the '11), I always figured it was Manning doing so and maybe Dooley backing him. I feel the remnants of that might have left with Dooley. If you look at our team prior to their exits, I don't remember any serious 'coach decision' mistakes being made (that could just be my biased memory)... the right choices were made at the right times. The right chances taken.

EJ being put in at the very end of the Michigan game (which seemed to break Tharpe and allowed a UM rally), some of the choices made vs Stanford (not to mention not getting on Wiggin's tailend when he started to hide during games), the absolute insanity that happened during that first KU vs UK game last season (I mean, there was ZERO adjustment of play during that humiliating loss -- driving the middle with a team that athletic/long?) and the refusal to move to a shooting theme in our previous season when our team should have been ALL "Fool's gold" shooting (which lead to a defeat by the 3-point killers WSU).

People talk about HCBS's ego -- one must HAVE an ego to be in a position making that many choices in the first place; but an ego can be worked around if you have the right people surrounding you to warn when you're going to trip up. I just don't know if he has a staff that can handle that gig (or that he'll at least listen to any of them).

I agree with the folks who say BG is right in this. There is no reason why we shouldn't be leaning a bit on our 3-point shooters -- if you aren't going to use them, than why even recruit them? Anyone with eyes could see that Hunter was tearing things up during the summer games... and yet he doesn't see the court.

It might just be me -- but I don't like this type result to someone finally saying: "No, I don't think that's a good idea" (a severe punishment and public shaming). Yeah, a player is a player and coach a coach -- but if things are going south, someone needs to say SOMETHING.

Just my 2 cents.

David Howell 4 years, 4 months ago

Not great for the team and recruiting, but they should get past this issue.

Now during the game one of the announcers said "Coach Self told me he has not coached a better shooter then Brannen Greene at KU" ............ We all know that for most games KU struggles with the 3-pt. shot. Why not give Greene and Svi a chance with more minutes. To go deep in the tourney you have to have depth and consistently make 3-pt. shots. If I remember correctly Mason, Graham, and Selden shot 9 of 36 from the floor. Why continue the madness when they were throwing up brick after brick ?

The most troubling part of that game was KU not figuring out a way to stop Valentine. He was all they had most of the 2nd half. I realize he made some incredible shots, but did we ever try a double team or go zone for just a couple of minutes ?!

Brian Skelly 4 years, 4 months ago

As I pointed out in a previous article, Im pretty sure that if Greene was good enough, he'd get more playing time. He cant defend at all, and that simply isnt going to fly. He's a spot up jump shooter (a good one at that however), who requires other guys getting him the ball. He doesnt drive it to the hole. He doesnt rebound. He occasionally gets steals when we play frenetically. Self has commented in the past about what a good shooter he thinks Greene is. So if that isnt getting him PT, then what is it? He's to flawed of player to be getting arrogant about it. And as ive pointed out before as well, in his defense he IS behind the other guys after the injury and not going to Korea. So im quite sure that frustration is in play as well. To me thats the most defensible part of this. But I still dont buy a six games suspension for complaining about PT. There's more to this story that were getting. My guess is he'll transfer and become a non-descript player for some other team who shoots a lot of 3's.

Jay Hawk 4 years, 4 months ago

"He said he wished he and his spouse hadn’t been invited to be a part of the locker-room discussion."

Hey Gary Bedore - Any chance you know WHO called the parents into the locker room? A Coach or staffer? Brannen?

It seems incomprehensible that a coach would call in a player's parents to watch a heated discussion on playing time. If a Coach or staffer called, I have to think that there was a meltdown of EPIC PROPORTIONS taking place . . . which explains a six game suspension. However, I'd think that Mr. Greene would have been unlikely to make this comment.

It seems more likely that BG called his parents into the locker room to lend support during the epic meltdown. This would better explain the father's comment. I'm certain it would add significant drama to the already tense situation that must have been taking place. And pretty immature on BG's part.

Regardless of your perspective on coaching decisions, there's little doubt in my mind that Brannen had to cross the line by a country mile to warrant this type of suspension.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

If Coach Self has lost the ability to control HIS locker room then changes are necessary....

Jay Hawk 4 years, 4 months ago

Danny Manning is nothing short of Royalty at the University of Kansas. However, this never-ending commentary on our recruiting short-comings since his departure is getting stale. It's also without merit.

All statistics can be verified at rivals.com

Danny left for Tulsa in April of 2012. His last full recruiting class at KU was the HS Class of 2012. That year we finished with a rank of 10th nationally. We landed Perry of course. Our other bigs were Landen Lucas and Zach Peters.

In 2013, our first year without Danny, we had the #2 ranked class featuring Andrew Wiggins and Joel Embiid - two of the top 3 NBA draft picks that year. Granted, it's not panned out, but we also landed Wayne Selden - a OAD candidate and top 15 recruit. Although injuries hampered his career at KU, no one can deny that Embiid was a special player and coveted recruit. Danny played no part in his recruitment or development at KU.

In 2014, we landed the #3 ranked class featuring two more guys with enough potential to be OAD - Cliff Alexander (#4 overall recruit) and Kelly Oubre. On the day we got the commitment, KU fans were stoked over Cliff. Don't remember? Click this link:

No, it didn't work out, but is that a failure in recruiting?

Then, in 2015, we landed the #6 class with future NBA bigs Cheick (#6 overall) and Bragg (#21 overall).

I know we have high standards on Mt. Oread, but have we really missed Danny that much?

Jay Hawk 4 years, 4 months ago

Ironically, we do have Danny's recruiting to thank for most of this year's rotation of bigs. Ellis, Lucas, and Traylor were all landed during his tenure.

Dustin Peterson 4 years, 4 months ago

I've seen a ton of questions being asked about why Brannen wasn't actually played more in the MSU game, and I can't really understand why, given what I saw. I think Tom Izzo had a very solid game plan against us. Because we drilled 15 three-balls in our first game and only had one interior scoring threat, Izzo came out with a perimeter trap zone, and would gamble on Perry Ellis' early season conditioning. I mean 10 minutes into the game, Perry had like 13 points or so, while his perimeter defense had given up zero OPEN looks from 3. From that time on, Izzo decided to stick with the plan, in hopes of Perry getting tired and petering out around 20 points, which would give MSU a shot to win, or Perry was going to be in better shape than he realized, go off for 40pts, and KU wins easily. It's not like Self wasn't trying to break them out of that zone. At one point he had Brannen AND Svi on the floor together to see how far that zone could stretch wing to wing. It held, neither shooter got an open look, and Self went back to better defenders and ball handlers as is his default. We just don't have any interior scoring after Perry gets tired. In mid-season condition, this shouldn't be such a problem, but early on, it will be teams' point of attack. Besides, Izzo/Self/Williams is college basketball's Rock/Paper/Scissors. Izzo beats Self, Self beats Williams, Williams beats Izzo.

RJ King 4 years, 4 months ago

FINALLY someone on this site mentions what I saw. Thank you for some thoughtful and unique observations. A breath of fresh air amongst the stale "fire BS" or "transfer BG" overstated drivel.

BTW no one has mentioned how much our players seemed to slip and slide on the court. Were we that much more uncoordinated than MSU? Were we fighting harder / out-of-control more? Flopping? Do our Adidas shoes provide insufficient traction? (kidding, sort of). I noticed maybe a half a dozen KU players practically (or) falling down vs none for MSU.

Vernon Riggs 4 years, 4 months ago

Brannen has shown that he is good at getting in HCBS's Doghouse but he has equally shown that he is good at finding his way out of HCBS's Doghouse, He is passionate free-spirit. Good and Bad. He is a Jayhawk and will NOT transfer out. It will work out.

Russell Fryberger 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe respect should have been taught to him long ago. He seems to have very little of it now. Call Uber, they can get him a ride out of here and to the NBA where they don't care as long as he can play ball.

Jeff Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Maybe I should be suspended to and half of our fan base because we all think Brannen should be getting more playing time. hell greene, mickleson, Svi and Bragg should all be getting more playing time. probably should not have expressed it the way he did but I'm sure he is frustrated because I know I am.

Casey Olson 4 years, 4 months ago

This is pure social media speculation. No one on here knows what happened. Probably something pretty significant to warrant a 6 game suspension. I think for most people on here, if someone was spreading these rumors about your son, you would find a way to stand up for them. If I was Brennan, i would transfer. Not because I think the punishment is unfair, but because this system will never get the most out of his talents, nor will it Svi's. How can NBA scouts and draft websites rank Svi a first round talent but Kansas can't even get him open? We want specialists to penetrate and shut down defenders. Almost zero 3 point specialists do all three things well. Everyone else finds places for them because scoring is so tough at this level

Joe Ross 4 years, 4 months ago

Well it appears that those calling for Greene's ouster have disappeared as facts have come to light. Rushes to judgment often end this way. Keep in mind that few people and least of all I are saying that Greene's behavior was justified. Let there be no doubt that he was wrong. But his offenses even when taken together with past issues don't warrant banishment from the team. It would be ridiculous to have this incident be a proverbial straw that breaks a camel's back because 1. nothing illegal has transpired, and 2. a spirit of competition is at the heart of Greene's bad behavior. If ever there was a situation that was apropos to the saying, "Dont throw out the baby with the bathwater", this one is it. Many kids have been allowed to stick around after doing much worse than Brannen. Don't lose your heads, people. Be quick to listen, slow to decide, and slow to speak...especially when all the details are not known.

Brannen has some great moments in front of him in a Kansas uniform. And trust me, you're gonna want the depth and 3-point shooting he provides. Now lets work on defense and moving without the ball and we're good to go.

Eric Schneider 4 years, 4 months ago

I would argue ego instead of "spirit of competition" as that has never been a strong suit of Brannen in his time at KU. He is an indifferent defender at best. He's not a bad kid by any means. But there were concerns about his attitude/ego when he was recruited. And that has boiled over more than once. Just because a bunch of people on social media and the mainstream media who couldn't coach a 5th grade girls team consider themselves experts doesn't make them so. And that is the group who are saying Brannen is in the right.

Joe Ross 4 years, 4 months ago

On points, I agree with about 85% of what you say.

His defense needs work. He's not a bad kid. There are concerns about his attitude occasionally. Expert fans are rarely so (and that includes us). Brannen is not in the right.

As far as his "ego", owning a positive perspective of your abilities on the court is but one facet of a competitive mindset. I dont have a problem with that. I also dont have an issue with a kid wanting more playing time. No person who is a real competitor is satisfied sitting the bench.

Brannen's fault in this incident is not about his perspective. It's about how he chose to express it. That has very little to do with ego, and more to do with immaturity.

Michael Lorraine 4 years, 4 months ago

I don't have a problem with players arguing with coaches. As stated above, it was in the spirit of competition. But if Brannen wants to state his case with the head coach he would have more ammunition if he played better D.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 4 months ago

More points per min. than any other player..

Rick Smith 4 years, 4 months ago

Coach has his head up (something smelly) if he thinks Gram is half the player Green is.

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