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Originally published April 1, 2013 at 02:15p.m., updated April 1, 2013 at 11:50p.m.

KU freshman Ben McLemore earns All-America honors

Kansas guard Ben McLemore puts up a three against Texas Tech during the first half of the second round of the Big 12 tournament on Thursday, March 14, 2013 at the Sprint Center in Kansas City, Missouri.

Kansas guard Ben McLemore puts up a three against Texas Tech during the first half of the second round of the Big 12 tournament on Thursday, March 14, 2013 at the Sprint Center in Kansas City, Missouri.

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Kansas University freshman guard Ben McLemore was named to the 10-player John R. Wooden Award All-America Team announced Monday by the Los Angeles Athletic Club.

The 6-foot-5 freshman from St. Louis also was tapped second-team All-America by the Associated Press. KU senior center Jeff Withey was accorded third-team mention by the AP.

This marks the fourth-straight season and seventh time in the 10-year Bill Self era that a Jayhawk has been selected to the Wooden All-America team. McLemore marks the 13th Kansas player named to the team, which started in 1977.

One of 10 players will be named Wooden Award winner this weekend at the Final Four. Joining McLemore as All-Americans and finalists: Trey Burke, Michigan; Victor Oladipo and Cody Zeller, Indiana; Doug McDermott, Creighton; Shane Larkin, Miami; Kelly Olynyk, Gonzaga; Mason Plumlee, Duke; Otto Porter Jr., Georgetown; Deshaun Thomas, Ohio State.

McLemore was joined on the AP’s second team by Plumlee, Zeller, Larkin and Oklahoma State freshman Marcus Smart.

Withey was joined on the third team by Thomas, Virginia Tech’s Erick Green, South Dakota State’s Nate Wolters and Louisville’s Russ Smith.

The first team consisted of McDermott, Burke, Porter, Oladipo and Olynyk.

Selden shines: KU signee Wayne Selden, a 6-5 senior shooting guard from Tilton (N.H.) School, who is ranked No. 26 nationally by Rivals.com, dazzled at Monday’s McDonald’s All-America Game practice in Chicago.

“Selden looks like he hit the genetic lottery,” wrote Eric Bossi of Rivals.com. “The Kansas-bound wing is tough and athletic and he plays with power on the wing. Selden was under control while playing a man’s game and thriving in pick and roll. He says the KU coaches want him to be a defensive stopper and slasher. There’s no doubt he’ll be getting bumped to five-star and move up the rankings (likely in top 15).”

Wiggins dazzles: Andrew Wiggins, the country’s No. 1-ranked high school senior, on Monday, “displayed his jaw-dropping athleticism and a much improved jump shot. He was mobbed by national media after (McDonald’s) practice,” writes Michael O’Brien of Chicago’s Sun Times.

The 6-7 forward from Huntington (W.Va.) Prep has a final list of KU, Kentucky, Florida State and North Carolina. He told the Louisville Courier-Journal he has pondered joining forces with Kentucky’s six other McDonald’s All-Americans.

Asked whether Plano, Texas, forward Julius Randle’s recent commitment made Kentucky more or less appealing, Wiggins told the C-J. “It’s always good to add another player to the roster. Julius is a good player, unselfish. I wouldn’t mind playing with him.”

No. 6-ranked Aaron Gordon, 6-8 from Archbishop Mitty in San Jose, Calif., will announce for either Arizona, Kentucky, Washington or Oregon at today’s McDonald’s Media Day. The McDonald’s game is set for 8:30 p.m., Wednesday at United Center and will be aired on ESPN.

Comments

nuleafjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm not good at math. How does a guy that is supposed to be picked 1 - 3 in the NBA draft only make second team All American?

nuleafjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

No.

If a player is deemed to be the number one player in the draft, as McLemore has been for much of the season, then he should be a first team All American.

Someone, somewhere is screwing things up.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

So should drafts picks 1-5 be first team, drafts 6-10 second team, and so on? Just giving you a hard time, but I don't think McLemore should have been first team, and I think Withey should have been ranked ahead of McLemore as well.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

ranked ahead as in All Americans, not draft potential

nuleafjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I get what you're saying, and I'm mostly letting the loss get the best of me, but it still doesn't seem right to me.

By the same token then, if someone is a first team All American and gets drafted in the late second round, or maybe not drafted at all - is that right?

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

Probably just because College All Americans and Pro Talent have different requisites.

akgjenkintown 2 years, 1 month ago

NBA draft status does not always equate to a player's body of work in college. The NBA is always intrigued by a freakish athlete who has not yet reached his full potential. In the olden days, i.e., before the one and done era, players were judged more on their body of work in college. Now it is all based on potential and how high they think the player's ceiling will be.

Nevertheless, congratulations to Ben and Jeff. Wish the season had not ended so abruptly.

actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

It happens all the time, although usually it's the other way around: someone is a great college player and can't cut it in the NBA.

But it happens this way too; sometimes a player isn't even a starter on his team in college but becomes a first-round draft choice based on his talent and potential.

jayhawkinATL 2 years, 1 month ago

What about Nerlens Noel??? Don't see him any where on the AA lists.

longhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

What are you saying? Are you saying that, if he's that good, then it's a failure of the coaching staff that he didn't put up better numbers?

Ben may end up becoming the best NBA player out of this draft, but what he did in one year of college has little to do with that. It would be interesting to review all the #1 picks in the one-and-done era and see how many were 1st team AAs, though.

nuleafjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

WELL.....................I almost NEVER criticize Bill Self, it's hard to argue with his numbers, but sometimes his "March" coaching is different than his rest of the year coaching. McLemore could have definitely put up better numbers this year. Especially the LAST game, when he was "feeling it" and sitting on the bench at the end of the game. How is it possible that the best (maybe 2nd best ?, didn't check the stats) free throw shooter, 2nd team all american, first pick in the NBA draft is not in the game, at least driving to the hoop in hopes of getting fouled ???

NJHAWK 2 years, 1 month ago

Completely agree. BMac should have put up more shots during the season and there should have been more plays designed for him. He would have been on 1st team if he was playing for another top program. By the way, don't forget the talking heads from TV. They gave more exposure to some undeserving players than BMac or Withey.

doctommft 2 years, 1 month ago

The times when McLemore took charge in a game was rare. When he can do that, he'll be ready for the NBA. We've seen so many leave with a year or less experience only to beg for playing time. I wish Ben the best and will follow his career.

jhox 2 years, 1 month ago

Honestly, Withey was the most valuable player for KU. I loved having Ben and Im really happy for him, but I would not have voted him on the top two teams.

741hawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Or maybe the designation is / should be based on "performance."

JakeBarnes 2 years, 1 month ago

So am I. If the award is based on performance his was inconsistent. As was regularly said he disappeared often during or before games. I think Withey is the player who got shafted. This is based solely on points scored and not basketball ability in all phases of the game.

longhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm with jhox. Withey might not end up the better NBA player, but he was the better college player this year. We led the nation in effective field goal percentage because teams basically were relegated to shooting 2-point jumpers when Withey was in the game. That's the least efficient shot in the game. He allowed us to take a team with the 4th-best offense in a POOR Big 12 and come within an eyelash of beating the 2nd best team in the nation (Michigan).

jhox 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm not questioning Ben's talent. He's a top 5 talent. I hope he's drafted number 1 over all, and he may well be. But he disappeared at times in big games. First and second team All Americans are generally more consistent than that. If we had him back another year he would likely be deserving of first team All American.

I do know this. I watched a lot of basketball this year and nobody affected games to the extent Jeff did. For every shot he blocked he altered two or three more. Unfortunately, All American teams are all about scoring numbers. Writers, especially, don't really research before they vote beyond looking at scoring stats. I give them credit for at least putting him on the third team. They usually don't recognize defensive and rebounding contributions at all.

John Strayer 2 years, 1 month ago

This +1...where was Ben in the 2nd half of the Michigan game when we really needed scoring to keep pace with Burk going nuts from 3pt land??

No doubt Ben has the talent and the body for the NBA...but another year @ KU where he is "the man" and defenses are gunning to stop him would do wonders to prep him for NBA rigors....but it won't happen.

TheBoHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

He disappeared because we had weak point guard play. Bench EJ about 10 games back in place of Tharpe and we'd be going against Cuse this weekend....damn sure would.

I agree with your assertion that Jeff deserved much higher....Although I will say that averaging nearly 14 points a game.. I'm not sure how that is not considered a scoring threat. They should really make an offensive and defensive First Team... seriously.

All Offensive:

McLemore, Burke, Oladipo, McDermott and Smart

All Defensive:

Withey, Larkin, Porter, JR., anyone on Syracuse

MountOreadCalifornia 2 years, 1 month ago

JHOX...you are correct. I think it is a shame that one of the most dominant defensive centers to come along in years is relegated to third team. Without him, we definitely struggled.

Ted Collins 2 years, 1 month ago

Withey was clearly the more deserving of the two Jayhawks for all-american recognition. No one in the country controlled games on the defensive end like Jeff. The reality is that these awards are always based, in part, upon potential, as opposed to team contribution.

Ben will make a lot more money in the NBA, probably as a perennial all-star. Jeff should make a good living for 10 years as a role player.

bayareajhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Collegiate All-Americans are being rewarded for what they have actually done on the court in college basketball. High NBA draft picks are being rewarded for what NBA General Managers think they can bring to the NBA in the future.

NBA and college basketball are two versions of the same sport but they are different games. The most glaring example is the case of the nonathletic spot-up shooter. That kind of player can dominate college basketball and be a 1st team All-American, but he won't get drafted anymore because he can't find his shot in the NBA.

The opposite example is someone like DeMar DeRozan, who was absolutely terrible at USC for all but about two weeks of his freshman year -- but then was drafted in the lottery because of his athleticism.

connhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

And it should be noted that drafting him in the lottery was definitely not a mistake. The guy is putting up great numbers for Toronto.

bayareajhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

You're right. DeRozan has been a very good NBA player and has the potential to be great -- even though he wasn't a great college freshman.

He will always be my reference point to that concept because I lived in LA when he played at USC and was surprised at 1) how raw of a player he was coming out of high school and 2) how high he was drafted a year later. As connhawk said, though, Toronto got that one right.

Steve Gantz 2 years, 1 month ago

Could you say the same when Sherron Collins was an All-American, but was drafted in the 2nd round? Those types of things happen pretty frequently.

jayhawkinnc 2 years, 1 month ago

I guess because scouts base things on potential and other intangibles, not just numbers and where they rank on All America Teams.

dylans 2 years, 1 month ago

Wasn't Collins a consensuses all America 1st team? What slot did he get drafted in?

TheBoHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

no... if he was a 1st teamer, his jersey would have been retired

53jayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Has not been 5 years since SC's final game - so his jersey would not be retired at this time. Chalmers just reached the 5 year threshold this year - thus his jersey was retired.

Adam Tyler 2 years, 1 month ago

I am very grateful of these two Jayhawks and their accomplishments on the court.

Who would have thought three or four years ago that Withey would progress the way he did. Truly amazing, congrats boys!!!

ajhk 2 years, 1 month ago

I did. Or was that not a question? :)

magaggie 2 years, 1 month ago

Sure will miss watching both these guys.

Joe Joseph 2 years, 1 month ago

Withey got slighted. Offensively, he may have not had the impact as some of the other big-men, but he impacted the game more than any of them.

actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

Absolutely! He should have been at least second team.

MountOreadCalifornia 2 years, 1 month ago

Name a more dominant defensive center in the college game this year????

Scott Smetana 2 years, 1 month ago

Great honors, but if I could take someone back for next year it would probably be Releford.

jayhawkinATL 2 years, 1 month ago

I see where Rele is getting some love on nbadraft.net as a late 2nd rounder.

actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

Nice! He's certainly earned it; let's hope it happens for him.

He was the only one who played well for the entire tournament.

DCLawHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Gosh I should hope so. With Rele's combination of reliable defense, efg%, and ability to finish around the rim, I can't imagine why any GM would not draft him. I'd even think late 1st round would be wise.

jhox 2 years, 1 month ago

I have to believe an NBA team could find a place for a guy like him. It would be nice to have a defensive specialist who you could put on a Kobi or Wade...a Bruce Bowen type defender. The great thing about Travis is he's a defensive guy who can also knock down a shot and get in the lane offensively. Many guys who defend that well have no offensive game to go with it. I think he's got a great shot at making an NBA roster.

Jonathan Allison 2 years, 1 month ago

I'd say that Releford is a steal as a mid to late 2nd rounder. The NBA draft puts way to much emphasis on a players age. Releford has gotten better each of the 5 years that he's been at KU. He's really a special athlete and competitor in that aspect because he seems to be probably the most disciplined player on the Kansas roster at getting better and getting stronger and in better shape. He's the most conditioned and appears to put it the most work of any of the players in the gym. He's driven, and that's what it takes to succeed at the next level and he's proven that he can do it. Yet the NBA would rather take a gamble on some raw talent that has never put in a full offseason of conditioning and getting better, because that player has more upside, but that players also much more likely to flame out when they really have to work for it or also more likely to have a season ending or career limiting injury because they didn't have the discipline in their training that Releford has.

Bowen was about 2 inches taller than Releford and had a quicker release on the three ball. Releford can improve his shooting form, but he can't grow two more inches. That said, I believe that Releford can be an effective defender against most of the top level NBA talent, and maybe against an aging Kobe. But he'd need more size to put him up against the best of the best.

Jonathan Allison 2 years, 1 month ago

he also has been listed as a late 2nd rounder on bleacher report.

Suzi Marshall 2 years, 1 month ago

I went to that link and did not see Rele in the second round.

woodscolt 2 years, 1 month ago

Ben's not so strong finish probably cost him a first team. I hoped he would be first team so he would get his jersey retired but maybe he still will. He will be a high draft choice and if he goes 6th, that is second team all america.

I think Releford will get drafted in the second round and if he goes to the right team he should have a chance of sticking . NBA likes players his size that can d-up and finish at the rim and those are his two strengths. Withey should be a lottery pick.

Joe Joseph 2 years, 1 month ago

Withey has a good chance of getting his jersey retired.

milehighhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Yeah, I don't see that happening. I like Withey, but if his best is 3rd team All-American, that's not enough to hang in the rafters.

An argument could be made for blocks, but you don't see people screaming for Ostertag's jersey.

texashawk10 2 years, 1 month ago

If you're going to make an argument for Withey based around being the school's all time blocks leader, then Aaron Miles should get the same argument for being the assists leader.

A more appropriate way to honor players like Withey, Ostertag, and Miles would be to have a banner in the north rafters by the ones with the Olympians and All-Americans that lists the top 5 or 10 career leaders in the major statistical categories for KU such as scoring, rebounds, assists, blocks, and steals.

texashawk10 2 years, 1 month ago

Withey has 0% chance of getting his name and number hung in the south rafters. Doesn't mean he isn't a very good player, just means he isn't one of the elite of the elite to play at KU.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

Hawk--KU Record, Big 12 record, NCAA tournament record and second all time for tourney blocks. The dude is elite. Rafters? Probably not. Elite...definitely.

actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure that the voting is done before the tournament, which would mean that Ben's performance in those games had no impact on his being second team.

pepper_bar 2 years, 1 month ago

What did McLemore accomplish to justify retiring his jersey?

woodscolt 2 years, 1 month ago

My point, I could be wrong but I think KU's latest policy is that if you were first team all america you would get your jersey retired????? There are some more All America teams to be released and he still has a chance but slim at that.

JakeBarnes 2 years, 1 month ago

If McLemore got his jersey retired and Withey didn't, it would be a monumental insult to reality and basic intelligence. Surely, KU's program isn't run by a bunch of dunderheads, is it????

fansincewilt 2 years, 1 month ago

I found this as a criteria for a Jayhawk jersey to be retired. If this is true, it does not appear that either would have their jersey retired.

Being named National Players of the Year by either the National Association of Basketball Coaches, the Associated Press (AP), or the Sporting News
Being the winning recipient of either the John R. Wooden Award, Naismith College Player of Year, or the Oscar Robertson Trophy
Being named as a consensus All-American, the NCAA Tournament Most Outstanding Player, Big 12 Conference Player of the Year, Academic All-American of the Year,or a two-time first team All-American.

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/3693737

JayDocMD 2 years, 1 month ago

I think it's an absolute joke Withey didn't make 1st or 2nd team, and for that matter wasn't at least part of the discussion for National Player of the Year. Teams had to design entirely different game plans to account for his defensive presence. I'm not saying he was Anthony Davis this year, but he wasn't that far off:

A.D. (2011) FG% .623 RPG 10.4 BPG 4.7 PPG 14.2

J.W. (2012) FG% .582 RPG 8.5 BPG 3.9 PPG 13.7

woodscolt 2 years, 1 month ago

Yep, he was the most consistent Big in the country this year. The media really looks for reasons to pass over KU and we gave them three losses in a row. Louisville had a slide too but they got a pass on it.

Dirk Medema 2 years, 1 month ago

Louisville is still playing and has one guy on 3rd team.

Steve Gantz 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm sorry, but I get tired of people here saying the media doesn't like us. Prove it with conclusive proof. The article points out it's the 7th time in Self's 10 years they've had an All-American. How many other teams have numbers like that over the last 10 years? I don't know, but maybe a couple. We've been ranked #1 in the country far too many times to count over the last decades. Most of our games appear on ESPN or CBS. Again, not too many schools appear more than us. It sounds like a childish whine when we say things like this.

VaJay 2 years, 1 month ago

Agreed JD. Withey would take that Gonzaga kid to the cleaners & outduel Plumlee or Zeller. Give me a break. They don't give any significance to the defensive impact Withey has.

VaJay 2 years, 1 month ago

When Withey was playing McGary straight up, Withey had a clear edge. When his teammates were broken down off the dribble & Withey had to help - that's when McGary did his damage.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

I'll add to this Doc: guess who else was 1st Team AA? Here are his stats:

?.? (2011) FG% 54.1 RPG 10.2 BPG .5 PPG 17.2

JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

A reminder to all KU fans. Three more teams will have their heart broken worse than what happened to us a few days ago. Hard to believe but true. Also a big thanks to Jeff Withey for coming back for his senior year. He improved his draft slot a lot to the guaranteed range but he still could have easily signed an NBA contract a year early. He had a taste last year of a couple steals from a championship and so badly wanted to win a title for the program and the fans. Hats off to you Jeff Withey, one block from the all time NCAA tourney record!

actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

What, they'll blow a FIFTEEN-point lead in the last 6 minutes?

Otherwise I would say their heart would not be broken worse than ours.

JakeBarnes 2 years, 1 month ago

Michigan is living off the fat of luck. I hope it holds and they are national champs, but I think the odds are slim to none.

AsadZ 2 years, 1 month ago

While UNI/VCU hurt a lot this loss to UM was worst simply on how we lost it, practically gave it away by poor play mainly by our senior PG leader. That is why it hurts so much more knowing that we had the game won if we had simply played fundamental BB.

dylans 2 years, 1 month ago

Ben, wanna have your jersey retired? Come back next year and get that tourney MOP and consensus All America 1st team. That'd get it done twice.

Dirk Medema 2 years, 1 month ago

Voting on most of these teams is O-centric. There is no glossy stat for dominating on D, or completely altering an opponents O game.

Brak 2 years, 1 month ago

Funny because that is the exact reason Anthony Davis won player of the year last year because he was a game changer on the defensive end. There is no sugar coating the fact that Withey got slighted big time because he didn't have the east coast media slobbing his knob like they do other players.

Steve Gantz 2 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky is not east coast. AD was amazing last year, remember as a freshman. Jeff's a 5th year senior. AD won a NC. Believe me, I'm no kenyucky fan, but trying to be realistic.

JayDocMD 2 years, 1 month ago

Big 12 has 4 people on this list - 2 are from KU. Unless Smart or BMac return, all 4 are gone next year. How lame is that? Big 12 is really down right now.

actorman 2 years, 1 month ago

As much as we all hate to admit it, the Big 12 has pretty much always been down.

Other than the two years (2002 and 2003) when the Big 12 had two teams in the Final Four, the tournament performance of the conference has generally been dismal. I wonder if that has something to do with how often KU has lost early in the tournament: the fact that their level of competition in the conference so often seems better than it really is.

TommieSmithElbow 2 years, 1 month ago

Yep, it hurt incredibly in 2008 and 2012 . . . . . .

otaKU 2 years, 1 month ago

Boom. You hit it exactly. I was actually thinking about that today as well. The Big 12 in general under performs come tourney time. It made me wonder if that's part of the reason KU underperforms. We place too much stock in our conference and really it has been more overrated than we realize.

JakeBarnes 2 years, 1 month ago

Actorman. Of course, it does. We need to play better teams than most of the Big 12 during the regular schedule. That's how you get ready the March Madness. Why do you think KU dominates the league. It has since I was a boy in the 1940s, and possibly before 40 and 41. The only real competition was Oklahoma A&M in that decade. After that only for a few years now and then did real competition exist, sometimes K-State, sometimes O.U., and, although I hate to say this, most often Missery.

David Friend 2 years, 1 month ago

Big 12 only has one McDonalds all american next year coming in

Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

..and that would be our guy Selden..right??

Garrett Pounds 2 years, 1 month ago

First off the big 12 isnt down its all about big 10 and acc thats all everybody talks about and this years all american is a joke. Gonzaga player didnt do much in a weak conference. No respect for Jeff blocked lots of shots and changed a bunch.

TexiCaliHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

JayDogger is right -- for whatever reason (e.g., East Coast bias, ACC bias, 'March Madness' flameouts when expected to go much further, lack of NBA 'Star' talent, losing out on prominent '1-and-Done' recruits, etc.), KU is just not regarded with as much respect, dare I say 'reverance' as we all believe we should be given. It was T-Rob's MVP to lose last year and he faltered down the stretch; whereas BMac was given a lot of love early/mid-year only to fade a bit as well -- it happens . . .

As I posted recently, we have the second highest # of Wins All-Time (unfortunately, not too many people know/care outside of our 'family'), a 'Coaching Tree' that begat the other Top 3 'Blue Bloods' (i.e., Kentucky, North Carolina), total domination in terms of Conference Championships including a staggering 9 straight in the Big 12, countless Conference Tournament Championships, many great College (some Good and a few Great NBA players), 24 straight NCAA Tournament Appearances, I've lost count on # of consecutive AFH 'Sell-Outs'. I could go on, but you get the point, right?

All that said, we are STILL perceived as being an underachieving school in the grand scheme of things as our publicly humiliating losses in March when we underachieve seem to outweigh our heroics (like last year) when we DO get the very most out of our potential. We have the best Tradition, the best Arena (basketball 'cathedral'?), the best Coach, the best Players (from a TEAM and 'system fit' perspective) and the best Fan support -- we just have to translate the above into a deeper sense of CONFIDENCE that we can indeed take the 'next step' up the ladder each year . . . and then DO IT!

I know it sucks right now and we are all hurting -- none more than the players, coaching staff and support team; however, we've got a great group of incoming players and our returning players will be asked (again) to step up and fill the sneakers of those who went before them. It is called 'KANSAS Basketball' and we are in GREAT hands with HCBS -- I want to thank this year's Seniors (and Ben) for an awesome ride, and I am excited to continue along our journey and see where it leads next year . . . RCJH!

Jason Spangler 2 years, 1 month ago

The second team would beat the first team.

jayhawkinnc 2 years, 1 month ago

sounds like Wiggins is UK bound. CRAP!

bradynsdad 2 years, 1 month ago

There are not 15 better players than Selden. He is an athletic beast!!! Don't forget Greene is technically rated higher than him. Between Tharpe, Rio, White, Greene and Selden we have a great backcourt. I also fully expect Ellis to average a double double. The question is which other big will step up? To be honest I see us being better with Tharpe running the show, the biggest hole we have to fill and trust me it will show is Withey.

Steve Zimmerman 2 years, 1 month ago

Why he's red-shirted, beyond my belief. He's such a good post, got good motor. Can anybody comment on how he's been in practices? Lucas will be this team's sleeper next season. Just watch him. I'll be surprise if Traylor plays more minutes instead.

David Leathers 2 years, 1 month ago

It shouldn't be beyond your belief. Self knew and will always know that his depth for this year and years to come will require good players to redshirt. They may waste a whole season because they're playing behind 4 big men all year. Save him, train him hard, and let him have a shot at Big 12 rookie of the year. No doubt that Lucas gets some good time next year and puts up some nice numbers. He's no Jeff Withey but, with him and Traylor they can produce some blocks and Ellis can produce the points. We're all going to love our backcourt for some years to come. I have high hopes for Tharpe after this year and these freshman coming in are going to be special. I'm a Frankamp freak, and I have a feeling that Frank Mason is going to be a gem sooner or later. Probably later. Redishirt possible in the first year. Hopefully Rio stays because it would most likely be a rotation with him and Frankamp in Self's 2 PG sets.

TheBoHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Maybe you didn't notice how many undersized white kids he was dunking over... I think he'll be good. But watching him play in high school, it's easy to see why he and Self elected to train him for a season.... his HS ball looked like: OK Landen we're going to oop it to you, you finish over a guy 5 inches shorter than you.

David Friend 2 years, 1 month ago

The biggest joke is was excluded from the slam dunk contest!

Joe Baker 2 years, 1 month ago

The one to fill the Withey vacuum will be Embiid. Give him some time, but he does show some potential to be Withey-esque.

texashawk10 2 years, 1 month ago

Embiid has a volleyball background like Withey so I think his timing on defense will be fine from day 1. The biggest adjustment Embiid will have to make on defense is the physicality of the college game and that's where I think he's a 3 year player because it will take him a year to adjust to the college game, a second year to learn a couple of reliable offensive moves, and his third year to show off his skill set before becoming a high lottery pick.

Joe Baker 2 years, 1 month ago

I love Lucas and think he'll step in immediately to contribute. He banged with Withey inside and should be able to compete.

Adam Tyler 2 years, 1 month ago

Yo bedore,

Its Andrew Wiggins. Not Anthony.

David Leathers 2 years, 1 month ago

Wiggins is gone. Well, not gone because technically he was never here. He never even thought about Kansas. Think about it, just two years ago, Kentucky won the championship with five freshman playing major roles and jumping straight to the NBA. Wiggins, Randle, the twins, and others all chose or will chose Kentucky so they can try and do the same. The ones who don't or won't sign with Kentucky are then split between Duke, Carolina, Kansas, UCLA, Florida, etc...

The point is, Calipari and his connections with whatever insanities you can think of are killing college basketball.

jhox 2 years, 1 month ago

This is the first comment from him that makes me think he's a Kentucky lean. Either the dollars are flowing freely in Lexington or these kids are a bunch of lemmings.

mojayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

If Wiggins and Gordon both go to Kentucky, that would be 8 of the top 18 players going to UK. Do you think maybe an investigation might be coming? You don't go there for the coaching, that's for certain. Look at this year's class. They lose one of their lottery picks to an injury and can't even make the tournament? HCBS would have led them to an SEC championship, and then some.
Something smells fishy in Wildcat land!!!!!!

On a better note, Congratulations to Ben and to Jeff! Well deserved honors, but I agree that Jeff got shafted and should have been higher on the All American chart. What a great year and what seems like a short career at KU!

FL_Jhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

When you have a group of selfish young players who want to play the way they want to play and mainly want to get the year over with so they can turn pro and make millions, you can get an uncoachable team. Coach C had that this year. I don't really blame him for an underachieving team this year.

Coach C will point out to his new team that if you don't play as a team, you may end up in the NIT! If he can gain control and get them to play as a team, he will have a NC team. To battle selfish play, he may very well have enough talent that if there is a player who doesn't put the team first, he will bench them until they begin to play unselfishly.

But it does sound like Wiggins is getting caught up in the hype, and the media will certainly continue to fawn over UK and hype their players and make them into media superstars. At KU, Wiggins would get the hype, but nothing like he will get at UK, given the love ESPN has for UK and their ambivalence towards KU.

I had been hoping that Wiggins would come here (low odds, but still possible), but it kind of sounds like he has his mind made up. I don't think Coach C is doing anything unethical to get him. It is just that if you are a young player, you see him as providing the best opportunity for fame and glory. You look at KU and see our top talent pretty much underachieving. Selby? Who is he. Xavier? Who is he? Ben? Better, but he still underachieved by not showing up to so many games.

So, KU has not demonstrated to be a good place for a OAD. Coach C has demonstrated that ability and while Self may be a better coach, he hasn't demonstrated the ability to turn a OAD into a superstar. Until we do that, we won't get the talent UK gets. Not that I want a team composed of mostly OADs, either.

Mike Barnhart 2 years, 1 month ago

Coach Cal is a very good basketball coach and a world class salesman. Coach Self is a very good salesman and a world class basketball coach. Cal could be creating a monster he can't handle.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

What is it about Kentucky that the media has always loved so much?

David Friend 2 years, 1 month ago

In terms of national player recognition quite frankly our SI department is just not up to par with some of the other schools.. Gonzaga does get a lot of love, we all know how much attention Kentucky gets. Even in 2008 Mizzou got a lot more attention nationally than KU in Football. None of these schools I mentioned are in media hotbeds so it comes down to promotion and our SID is just not up to speed. Whithey had every bit the year Davis had and probably was as valuable player as there was in the country. What is as a amazing is Olidipo will win national defensive player of the year (he is good but not whithey good on defense). As a team KU gets plenty of recognition. The BSPN guys love self but our players do not get the hype unless it is extenuating circumstances like Robinson had as the press loves tragic stories.. Player recognition is purely from the sports information directors office and it is something they choose not to do or are not very good at it.

jumpinjayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

In related news. Elijah Johnson will be inducted into the Michigan Wolverine Hall of Fame for his contributions to the program and allowing them too "steal" a game from the Jayhawks.

Bville Hawk 2 years, 1 month ago

I am very happy for Ben and this honor and hope he makes a billion $$ playing in the NBA, but since when are 16 ppg, 5 rpg, and 2 apg All-American worthy numbers?

Michael Luby 2 years, 1 month ago

If Gordon and Wiggins pick Kentucky, which they probly will, then surely some NCAA rep with half a brain in their heads will have to ask what is going on and look into that dirty low down cheating scum bag Calimari. #Hatethatguy. I mean, 9 mickey D's players on one team? It smells fishy to me.

Alex Peekeaton 2 years, 1 month ago

Gordon isn't selecting Kentucky with Randle there - Arizona will probably get him with Oregon having an outside shot. Wiggins will more than likely be in Lexington next fall.

jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

"Time for KU to Shop for a New Conference"

Part 1

Let the realignment debate resume, because it is crucial the good health and future of KU basketball.

KU basketball suffers a structural problem with major media.

  1. It is not in the EST zone.

  2. It is from a state with only 2.8M citizens (for comparison Michigan and North Carolina have 9-10M citizens).

The media will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever cover a CST zone program from a low population state without linkage to east coast basketball equitably. Period.

KU probably lacks authority to sharply increase its population.

But it can alter the time zone problem one of two ways:

a) it can lobby the B12 to create an EST division for West Virginia to play in and KU can volunteer to be in it; or

b) KU can jump to a conference that has a major EST zone presence.

That was easy.

The reason the media bias must be eliminated for KU Basketball to stay successful in the long is that KU struggles against the current of media bias year after year in recruiting because of it.

KU's recruits suddenly lose their media heat, when they sign with KU.

KU's team successes are underreported, and team failures are overreported.

KU's players invariably fare less well in All American voting than other Top 5 programs with footprints in the EST zone.

KU teams invariably fare less well in NCAA tournament seeding. Either they are given a lesser seed, or they are given a higher seed and moved out of region to play in a region stacked with major market programs with EST zone presence. The latter was the case this year.

Marquette has solved its media problem by joining the Big East. Nebraska has solved it by joining the Big Ten. Missouri has solved it by joining the SEC.

A team does not have to be physically located in the EST zone to get favorably biased treatment. It has only to be in a conference with a large EST zone presence. Coverage of tiny Marquette proves this again and again.

Ten or so football teams in the CST zone are plenty for the Big 12 to carry on just fine. Football is a numbers game with 100 man squads.

zku42 2 years, 1 month ago

I am pretty sure KU has the most 1st team all americans out of any other team in NCAA history

Stephan123 2 years, 1 month ago

Perhaps when and if the ACC implodes several east coast franchises will come the Big 12's way. Reverse osmosis.

texashawk10 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm still of the opinion that the Big 12 will expand, but it won't do so until the Maryland to the B1G lawsuit is settled. That lawsuit will determine how much it will actually cost to leave the ACC, and the other schools interested in leaving the ACC are perfectly fine with letting Maryland foot the bill for that lawsuit.

jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

Part 2

In the long term, basketball excellence requires getting 3-5 of the Top 50 players overall in the country, not just 3-5 in the Top 25 at their positions.

So: the Big 12 needs separate membership roles for football and basketball, unless it thinks it can line up another 4-6 major football programs in the EST zone.

KU needs the EST zone presence now.

Marquette, Louisville, Pitt, Rutgers, Temple, FSU, NC State, Clemson and Virginia Tech should all have been rounded up to go with West Virginia. Some one at the top in the Big 12 was not up to the organizational challenge of making it happen, or someone in Texas was not ready for it to happen, unless they were under total control of the process,

For what its worth, Notre Dame should always have been ignored, because it is always in ND's self-interest to let things unfold and play an auction game. Plus ND has too many state, regional and Federal political ties for anyone but them to unsnag.

Because so much of realignment is now so obviously not driven by football TV revenues, and because Texas look at all realignnment issues from a football first point of view, and then apparently from a political-regional infrastructure POV, it seems unwise for KU to stay with the Big 12.

Texas has all the high school football players it needs, so media treatment beyond Texas does not matter to Texas.

Kansas has had two straight recruiting super men for coaches and 25 years of unparalleled success, as a result. And it still can't land the top players unless they are rebounding from a corrupt program that is imploding.

The media-gaming complex has grown inexorably more centrally controlled the last 25 years. That centralized control has inexorably biased coverage toward the programs that play in conferences with presenses in the EST zone.

KU's last two coaches have been remarkably resourceful at finding ways to swim against the current.

But the current keeps getting stronger and sooner or later, even if only randomly, KU is going to have another non-genius coach. And when that happens, this ever increasing media current against KU is going sink KU's boat.

jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

Don't feel like chicken little.

Feel like tearing the back end of a rhino out with bare hands here. :-)

jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

Part 3

Its a war of recruiting attrition the media wages. It is nothing personal against KU. It is simply numbers. Promoting KU in the Big 12 as the Big 12 is configured isn't good for TV and conventional gambling business during the regular season, or during the post season.

KU needs to make the move now, when it holds a few face cards that would be easy to play and market in a conference with an EST zone presense.

Bowlsby appears a classic stand-pat guy hire to do nothing.

Bowlsby has no significant experience with realigning a school. He worked at Iowa and Stanford.

Nor has Bowlsby run a conference, nor been an assistant conference commissioner of a conference that has had a major EST zone presense, or expanded into having one.

Without a conference commissioner with such experience, and without Texas being boldly behind acquisition of and EST footprint for the Big 12, the Big 12 is not likely to get it done.

Therefore, it appears time for KU to shop for membership in such a conference.

Regarding the cost of the buyout?

KUAD is a private entity operating in a legal-political-economic grey area of a not-for-profit making scads of money that does not have to pay taxes. It does not have to pay taxes, so long as it shows no net revenue surplus in excess of some minimal amount. It probably avoids this by spending excess revenues (over the minimum allowed) on KU's minor sports, by increasing salaries to staff, and perhaps on recruiting budgets, and facilities maintenance and modernization.

KUAD is a large business with a huge economic multiplier effect whenever it stages a KU football or basketball game in Lawrence.

KUAD is something worth controlling.

In this day and age of private oligarchy benefitting from massive upward redistributions of wealth the last 25 years, $50-$100M buyouts could be handled easily by perhaps a dozen different individuals, or entities already insinuated into the greater KU hog trough for research and other state and Federal monies.

All KUAD would need to do is ask with the implication of how much influence that level of contribution would enable, and KU could have the money as quickly as it got it for buying out, say, Turner Gill for $6M.

Time to go shopping.

JayDocMD 2 years, 1 month ago

On a totally unrelated note, its looking like a HUGE mistake to have taken West Virginia over Louisville. The football teams have been comparable, but I would argue the future looks brighter at Louisville with Charlie Strong.

In basketball (which I know plays second fiddle to fooball) there is simply no comparison. If I remember correctly, Louisville was the only team that beat out KU on Forbe$ list of Bball schools. Louisville is the clear favorite for the NC this year. For the foreseeable future, WV won't be able to carry Pitino and Co.'s jock strap.

West Virginia, however, is falling apart under Huggins. They lose all 5 starters from a team that was terrible this year - three of those are transferring, including Jabarie Hinds, arguably their best player. They've never been a powerhouse program, and never will.

Perhaps we should have taken both programs? But if we had to choose one, it's becoming pretty clear to me Louisville was the better choice.

JayDocMD 2 years, 1 month ago

Well, just noted Jaybate's posts so I guess my thoughts weren't totally unrelated after all. Didn't see those posted before I posted my thoughts above. I agree with his commentary on the need to have been more aggressive in the addition of east coast schools.

texashawk10 2 years, 1 month ago

It's coming, just wait for the Maryland to B1G lawsuit to settle.

monkeehawkSL8 2 years, 1 month ago

If coach Cal doesn't win the NC next year with all the talent he has coming in it will beginning of the end for the "all access Kentucky aka Las vegas night club act". No young man will want to be a part of another debacle like they had this year. Coach Cal has opened up their program to so much hype and outside distraction that is unlike any other school in history. Who is keeping an eye on Kentucky, the NCAA or the NBA? What is taking place there is not student athletic's, it's pre NBA media circus complete with full time TV coverage. Bradynsdad sp? posted about this a day or two ago, if they don't win with what a dozen future NBA draft picks coming in it will destroy the minor league machine. Geez Cal, you couldn't win with all that talent? You had the best in coming class for 2013 and you got beat in the first 1st round of the NIT? I know that N.Noels got hurt, but wasn't there another McD to take his place. Look at some of the Olym. Dream teams that got beat. Great talent doesn't mean their going to play together well. This years NCAA dream team was according to Cal un coach able. Next year could be even worse. And then again they may win every game by 70. This will not last.

Stephan123 2 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky is just a holding pen for talented but academically lazy players to hang out for a semester before getting keys to their new car. Who can blame them? It is nice to be in a fraternity of like minded folks.

GortHawker 2 years, 1 month ago

All of the outside influences aside and after the way I saw McLemore play towards the end of the year I think he needs another year at KU, thats why he's not first team.

Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

I do business all over the country and I have talked to some folks in Kentucky who insist that this incoming team is going to go 40-0 while winning the National Championship

No pressure here!!!

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

Slayr, Just curious about the first part of your post. Who do you have in the championship, and who does America hate?

Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago

Withey was held back by a combination of two factors, and it's only the presence of both factors that led to his being completely snubbed and relegated to the third team.

1) His lack of offense, relative to the other POY/AA candidates

2) His skin color/perception of his athleticism

And before you presume that I'm saying the voters are racists, that's not really what I'm saying. I don't think for a second that anyone on the voter roster looked at Withey and made a conscious choice not to vote for him because of his skin color, but I do think that his being white played into how he was valued as a defensive player and hindered the perception of his athleticism.

Just look at the way in which Anthony Davis not only made the first team last year, but won POY (over a more qualified player) and did it going away. As others have already pointed out here, comparing Davis' 2012 stats to Jeff's 2013 stats is quite revealing. It seems that Davis got a significant bump for his defensive disruption capabilities, and I would argue that it's because Davis is a high-prospect, bouncy athletic freak that grew from PG size to 6'10" prior to his Freshman year. Jeff started as a "slow", "plodding" un-athletic big man who no one expected to amount to anything when he transferred in.

Unfortunately, this year's AP first team had already filled it's quota for a less-gifted offensive player who makes up for his offensive shortcomings by being a havoc-maker on the defensive end. Victor Oladipo--a player that I would not be surprised to see steal the DPOY from Withey--has been ESPN's newest defensive crush, and his 13.6 points a game were given a pass whereas Withey's 13.7 was used to relegate him to the third team.

(to be continued)

Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago

(continued)

However, I can't really be mad about Oladipo's inclusion. Or Olynyk's. Or Burke's (obvs). Or heck, even McDermott's (it's hard to score 23 ppg when you are your team's only/best option). The player that stole Jeff Withey's spot on the first team is Missourian (why am I not surprised) Otto Porter, Jr. I wish the formatting on this message board was better so that I could show a side-by-side of Withey's and Porter's stats. I suppose this will have to suffice:

Withey v. Porter .

MIN: 30.9 v. 35.4 .

PTS: 13.7 v. 16.2 .

REB: 8.5 v. 7.5 .

BLK: 3.9 v. 0.9 .

AST: 0.9 v. 2.7 .

STL: 0.8 v. 1.8 .

FG%: 58.2 v. 48.0 .

FT%: 71.4 v. 77.7

Normalized for 26 minutes played per game:

MIN: 26.0 v. 26.0 .

PTS: 11.5 v. 11.8 .

REB: 7.2 v. 5.5 .

BLK: 3.3 v. 0.7 .

AST: 0.8 v. 2.0 .

STL: 0.7 v. 1.3 .

And if you consider the fact that playing in the Princeton offense (as Georgetown is wont to do) will likely yield more assists due to the ball movement nature of the approach, then the one area where Porter shows any measurable dominance isn't quite as impressive. Disappointing, and just a little more salt in the wound for an already bittersweet finish to the season.

Rocky Curtis 2 years, 1 month ago

Question to one and all. I look at the insane number of 5 star recruits headed for Kentucky and I have to wonder why. I'm not speaking about the "coaching". There's got to be more than that at work here. At the heart of my question is this ... is it fear? Are these recruits afraid of "shinning on their own"? Is it the guarantee of success that attracts them. Are they thinking, "I just want to get through this one year of college with a "shining moment" to point to as proof of my success and the best way to do that is to stack the odds. I don't know if I can do it on my own, so I'll join forces with other great talent . We dominate the field and insure that success for ourselves. This "no risk" approach requires less of me. I'm in.

What do you think fellows?

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

Going to Kentucky is currently the 'cool' thing to do. It's the fad. Many conform to societal fads. What I cannot grasp is why the media has chosen Kentucky as it's darling.

FearlessJayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Had McLemore been given the ball in the last four seconds of the Michigan game and if he would have sunk the winning basket, he would have been first team All-American. It just goes to show what a few inches can make.

FearlessJayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Someone, somewhere is funneling money under the table to these guys. KY and Callipari has discovered a way to get these guys. Some day it will come to the surface and then I'll say, "I told you so".

Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

Just think if Mario's shot had been off 2 inches to the left...KU and Bill Self history would be forever changed...maybe HCBS would no longer be in Lawrence...who knows??

Sandeep Kalburgie 2 years, 1 month ago

And who is Anthony Wiggins? Its Andrew Wiggins!!

JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

Calipari's team next year will have eleven McD All Americans. At the bare minimum ten first round draft picks.

Steve Gantz 2 years, 1 month ago

Offense trumps defense in the who's better and All-American debate. If Aaron Craft was average on defense, but as superb on offense as he is on defense his name would appear on the lists above.

Similarly for Jeff. If he was a dominant offensive player instead of being the dominant defensive player he is, then his name would be appearing on the lists above as a Wooden finalist and first team All American.

Finally, we need to chill on the media hates us angle. It makes us look petulant and whiney. There are over 300 teams in D1. The media's got a lot of people to sift through to make these teams accurate representations of who's the best.

People here have complained about Olynyk on the team. How many have actually seen him play more than one or two games? Someone actually said the media has a love affair with Gonzaga, a decidedly out of the way place is Spokane, Washington. So they, the east coast media will skip over parts of the midwest and then favor a team from a little out of the way place that is as far west as you can get? Doesn't make sense.

Anyways, it's been one of the most fascinating seasons in recent years for KU.

Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago

Olynyk deserves to be on the team.

Otto Porter, Jr. does not, plain and simple. Besides Porter--who's offensive production (averages the same amount of points per minute and shoots much more poorly from the field) is actually no better than Jeff's--you have another kid on the roster (Oladipo) whose offensive prowess was again, right around Jeff's.

So I have a hard time listening to people write that Jeff could have been there if he was a better offensive player. He IS a better offensive player--or at least the equal--than two guys on the first team. His defense should be what breaks the functional tie on offense.

Comparing Jeff's offensive output to Aaron Craft is ridiculous. Craft is a guard who averaged 10.0 points per game on 34.1 minutes while shooting 41.7%. By contrast, Jeff was a post player who averaged 13.7 points per game on 30.9 minutes while shooting 58.2%. Jeff is far better at the offensive skillset his position demands than Craft was at the offensive skillset his position demands.

JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

I agree that Wiggins more than likely is gone to Calipari. However didn't Calipari lose in the first round?

JayHawkFanToo 2 years, 1 month ago

John McEnroe called and wanted to tell you "You can't be serious, you cannot be serious."
If you call KU's post season "poor showing" what do you call UK's epic meltdown?
I have only one thing to say to you...Bobby Mo! Bobby Mo! Bobby Mo!

Kirk 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm not the buying the paranoid "the media hates KU" argument. I would with decent evidence, but it's not there.

JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

number 2 nationally ranked class coming in next year. That's where Kansas is currently.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

Kansas has the Top 3 class coming in Next year.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

"Self has lost touch in recruiting the past few years and now it shows the lack of coaching"

What does that say about Cal when his top ranked recruiting class loses in the first round of the NIT?

Ludwig Supraphonic 2 years, 1 month ago

The only NIT game I watched in it's entirety is UKs. On a KU site we are talking about their recruiting class. That's why players seeking a one year audition for the NBA choose UK.

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

"Remembering better times, and trying not to be part of the 'what have you done fer me lately, crowd"

OMAHA, Neb. -- In the moments after stealing a victory -- quite literally, considering Elijah Johnson's strip-and-score in the final seconds -- the operative emotion for Kansas coach Bill Self was relief, sure. "But also some jubilation, too," he said. We shouldn't blame him. While the second-seeded Jayhawks barely avoided an early exit -- and the second-guessing that inevitably comes with it -- the 63-60 win over No. 10-seed Purdue is stunning for what they accomplished when they absolutely, positively had to. Mostly, that meant Johnson. The junior guard scored 18 points to lead Kansas. In the last three minutes, he took over. His deep three-pointer with 3:01 left gave the Jayhawks their first lead, 57-56. Two minutes later, down three, he tossed a risky lob perfectly to Tyshawn Taylor for an alley-oop. And with less than 30 seconds left, he stole the ball from Purdue point guard Lewis Jackson, sprinted downcourt and scored to give Kansas the lead for good. "In the last few minutes, Elijah kind of controlled that game," Taylor said. "He was kind of everywhere, involved in every play." Johnson's performance allowed Kansas to overcome a poor shooting night -- 33.9 percent, and leading scorers Thomas Robinson and Taylor were a combined 6-of-23 -- and a fantastic final performance from Purdue senior Robbie Hummel. The senior forward scored 26 points, including 22 in the first half, when he was 7-of-8, including five three-pointers. "It was like he was just throwing a rock in the ocean," Taylor said. "Knocking everything down. 'Dang, when is he gonna miss?'" Meanwhile, the Jayhawks missed their first eight three-point attempts, and seemed tight. Purdue led by as many as 11 in the first half, and the Boilermakers seemed to have a counterpunch each time Kansas clawed back into it. "They had the momentum of the game," Johnson said. "They seemed confident. Their coach seemed confident. Although we had most of the arena screaming for us, I heard their fans and they seemed confident."

Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

The Jayhawks didn't seem confident, but they "just hung in there," Self said. "How we won is who we are," he added. "We rebounded and played defense when the game came down to the end. You have to figure out a way when you don't make shots, and we didn't make many shots -- except when it counted." The loss ended the collegiate career for Hummel, who missed parts of the last two seasons because of knee injuries. "I'm basically in shock from the game," said Hummel, struggling to contain his emotions. "It hasn't hit me yet." Much of Hummel's first-half production came against Robinson. The 6-10, 237-pounder struggled to cover the perimeter. A switch to big guard Travis Releford helped hold Hummel in check, and the Jayhawks gradually closed the gap. During player-only huddles after timeouts, Taylor said they kept telling each other: "We've got to trust each other and keep grinding it." Purdue led 60-59 with the ball, but Lewis Jackson was stripped by Johnson, who flashed downcourt for the lead with 23.3 seconds left. Still, the entire arena seemed to hold its collective breath when Hummel got open a little later. "I got a pretty good look," he said. "I thought it was going in. It felt good off my hand, it was just short." The three-pointer bounced off the front of the rim with 8 seconds left. Ryne Smith's long bank shot to tie just missed at the buzzer. And just barely, Kansas moves on to the Sweet 16 against No. 11 seed NC State in St. Louis, with a potential showdown looming after that with top-seeded North Carolina in the Midwest region final. The Jayhawks' emotions? "It was a lot of joy," Releford said. "It was a weight off our back when the clock went off and we saw that red light."

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/george_schroeder/03/19/kansas.purdue/index.html#ixzz2PL38bxhS

Alex Peekeaton 2 years, 1 month ago

"My suggestion: have players that leave before the completion of their jr academic year count against APR even if they become professionals."

Now that's funny KonkeyDong!!! Wonder if you would have come up with same scenerio if Bill Self signs every elite player he recruited in 2013 class - Parker, Wiggins, Randle, Gordon, Walker, etc. Just because none of the elites want to play in Lawrence, you want to change the rules? Poythress just announced he is coming back to UK next year and will have 3 experienced players to go with the greatest recruiting class ever. Randle and The Twins are special - if UK adds Wiggins, college basketball may never be the same again.

Jeff Kilgore 2 years, 1 month ago

The team Self is assembling will be tough again. Embiid will play a big role, and although he's not playing the McD game, he is playing the Jordan game and will do well.

At some point, maybe in 2015, the UK thing will become passe. Sorry, konkey, but when a school lands the # of kids they are, it's a story.

Reminds me of UCLA in the 1960s.

JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

The thing KU fans in particular need to understand is what is happening is Calipari and his connections. He'd be signing long lists of five stars no matter where he coached. He became such a worldwide name in recruiting after the 2008 season. His first class at his current school was one five star player short of what he planned it to be at Memphis before he took off. The Calipari train was just getting completely out of control at that point. Sure he markets it as the whatever effect. Memphis would have taken advantage of the same technology, his marketing and would have grown their fanbase very large nationally had Calipari stayed. The point to KU fans is, it's Calipari not Kentucky. Don't get those entities confused!

Alan Mills 2 years, 1 month ago

Congrats to both McLemore and Withey. Well deserved, and same awards from NABC. I've been traveling back from Dallas with family, so unable to post a few thoughts. Now is the time. Sorry if some are unrelated to this article.

One quick thought about next year. Unless Frankamp can really shoot it and White can find his shot, we may again be short on quality shooters. Every team seems to have several guys who can hit the 3, except KU. Not end of the world, but would be nice to have some more shooters. Maybe White will find his range and Frankamp will be like the kid from Scott City who is playing for the Shockers?

OK, now to college basketball in general. Wouldn't it be nice to see some rule changes for next year? I'd love to see them do away with the block/charge foul altogether. If the offensive player pushes with arms or lowers shoulder, call the offensive foul. But, too often the defense is rewarded for arriving too late or not getting set. If you can fall theatrically, you can get a charge call. Bad for the game, I think. Same with all the travels that go uncalled. It's not that hard to see when the offense changes pivot feet. But, looks more and more like the NBA. Why not follow the rules, or is that now reserved only for high school and below? Finally, would love to see some changes to the Flagrant 1 foul. Why reward the defense when they invade the space of the offense? Releford was whistled for that foul earlier this year, but it should have been a foul on the defense. Then, Withey gets clocked in the tournament and there is no call. What gives? Might need to rethink that rule again. Finally, if the officials are going to use the TV replay, let's expect that they get it right. It's not that hard to watch the replay and see what happened. Apparently, the officials need more training actually watching the games on TV!

Rock Chalk - loved seeing the team play in Dallas. Wish we could have seen 2 KU games! Best game of the weekend, clearly, was the KU-Michigan game!

AZHawk72 2 years, 1 month ago

Despite the loss of the very needed power forward Randall, this is the best recruiting class since Chalmers, Rush, et al. Our lowest rated recruit, Mason, is considered to be the roughest defender in the country at the point guard. Well, you wanted a fast, gifted group of shooters/defenders and you're getting it.

On the other hand, Kentucky's recruiting class makes the Fab Five totally irrelevant--Michigan's best isn't as good as Kentucky's worst. Could we have a chance at them next year? No! Does anyone else? No! Who cares as we could be the best the year following. Is the one-and-done killing college basketball? Yes. Did we need things to go to this extreme?

Yes! It has to be at least two years or straight to the NBA as this has ruined basketball. I'm so glad that it wasn't us that will be forever labeled as the madam of the whorehouse. Kentucky has earned this title, and the play will be called "Cal's Best Little Ruination of College Basketball House." Instead of A&M and Texas, it will be Kentucky with Louisville as a throw in. Ashley Judd will be helping me with the music. Lady Gaga will have to do a couple of numbers so we can have both sides covered, so to speak.

I hope Wiggins does go to Kentucky to make this whole process redundant. When everyone goes to the same college for one year to win a championship, do a one-year sentence in a four-year "school"--well, the only "schooling" being done is that which is being done to the NCAA.

I guess we complete our three year term with our season-opening "celebrity ballers" as we play Puke, after losing to Kentucky and Michigan-State, while Michigan-State will lose to Kentucky 100-60. If you don't believe me, tune in tomorrow to the "Why I don't eat at"..McDonald's Kentucky Fest. Actually, this year it should have been KFC, for "Kentucky Flushes Colleges." And players, and the sport, and the tournament, and the fans, and the drama...and the...

Curtis Stutz 2 years, 1 month ago

UK had great talent at every spot this year, lost in the 1st round of the NIT. Is next year's team going to be better? Of course, particularly if WCS, Wiltjer and Poythress all come back. Is a NC an afterthought? Absolutely not, it's still a freshman team that will have to deal with other teams maturing another year. I'm not going to sit here and say that I know what Ohio St will look like but I know they'll have a lot back. UF is actually looking pretty tough in the SEC. UNC could bring everybody back and re-add Stilman White. Add Wiggins to either UNC or KU and you've got a contender. Arizona picked up Gordon and I don't know who else to go with whatever large amount of talent they bring back. Indiana is losing Watford and Hulls for sure, adding at least NV and I don't know what else. Who does Gonzaga lose for certain outside of Harris?

Playing a 3, 5 or 7 game series, probably nobody would beat them. 1 game, list of teams that could beat them is pretty long.

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