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Thursday, March 8, 2012

MU guard adds fuel to rivalry

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— Outspoken Missouri guard Kim English figures to hear some jeers from Kansas University fans if the rival teams advance to Saturday’s Big 12 tournament finals.

Check out his comments in Wednesday’s Columbia Missourian that have made their way to various Internet message boards: “I respect Kansas basketball to the fullest. I respect their players. I respect their coaches big time. I just hate their fans,” English, a 6-6 senior from Baltimore, said.

“Their fans kind of have a false sense of security about what Kansas basketball is. It’s not Kentucky. It’s not UCLA.”

He sees it as KU has three national titles, not five. “If they want to count championships from 1922 and ’23, then that’s fine,” he told the paper, referring to Helms Foundation titles.

English on Wednesday jokingly thanked KU and Kansas State fans for spending money in the state of Missouri while attending the 2012 Big 12 tournament. He also referred to K.C. as “our town.”

KU coach Bill Self was not bothered by English’s comments.

“He’s got a little Norm (Stewart, former MU coach) in him. There’s nothing wrong with that,” Self said after Wednesday’s short practice in Sprint Center.

“Everybody loves and respects Norm, especially after Norm retired,” the coach added with a laugh. “That’s one thing that does kind of crack me up. There’s been so many things that have been said innocently that aren’t stories that people can take the ball and run with because they are leaving (for SEC). I’ve not followed what everybody is saying. That’s a pretty good quote by Kim.”

Self said earlier in the week that “Kansas City is more of a K-State, KU town than it is a Missouri town, at least the way we see it.”

On Wednesday, Self said: “I actually had people do some research. If you add K-State and KU alums that have graduated and alums that did not graduate but at least went to school there for a brief period of time, they’re not close,” he said of fans of the three schools that live in K.C.

“I don’t know what I said that is even remotely controversial. I always thought controversial statements were things that could be taken one way or another. To me, if it’s fact, I don’t see what’s controversial.

"I don’t think the numbers lie. We are only 45 minutes from here. We have 88,000 alums that live in the five-county area. This is a big deal to come play in Kansas City. That’s why the tournament will be great here no matter what. ... We need to sell it. That’s all I’m trying to do is sell it. This is the place to have the Big 12 tournament, period.

“If Kansas and Missouri are not playing Saturday, it’ll still be a full house. That’s why the tournament always needs to stay here.”

Recruiting: Jordan Tebbutt, a 6-5, 230-pound small forward from Oak Hill Academy in Mouth of Wilson, Va., attended Saturday’s Senior Night game against Texas as part of an unofficial recruiting visit. Tebbutt, who is originally from Tualatin, Ore., has received scholarship offers from USC, UCLA, Virginia, Oregon State, Portland, Virginia, Washington and Washington State.

“I loved it and the fans at Kansas are amazing,” Tebbutt told Rivals.com. “It was a fun night and a great atmosphere.”

Comments

Yosemite 2 years, 1 month ago

Kim is going to miss seeing all you Jayhawk fans at Sprint Center tonight. Too bad you can't make it. As for all of the disparaging remarks made about Kim, just remember he will end up up being richer, more powerful and better looking than all of the above posters.

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Dan Pawlowski 2 years, 1 month ago

Its a good thing he plays basketball at Missouri . He can't count and he doesn't have to.

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Vittorio1224 2 years, 1 month ago

Kimmy needs to shut his mouth. Not to add insult to injury as the numerous stats indicate......BUT.... Gallup just came out with its "well-being" index for best places to live.... Guess who was in the top 10? YES -- Kansas.....and conversely (Misery grads may need to look that word up), guess who finished in the BOTTOM 10? Yep, right again.....Misery! I'm not making this stuff up :)

http://www.gallup.com/poll/152912/hawaii-no-wellbeing-west-virginia-stuck-last.aspx

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kickazzkurtz 2 years, 1 month ago

Not Kentucky or UCLA? Well we aren't Misery either buddy. Thank God for that.

If we want to claim the titles from 1922 and 1923 go ahead? Well first, you had to of been good enough to have those awarded to you to even have a choice to claim them. Even back them Mizery sucked and couldn't win one. BTW North Carolina and other schools that were award National Helms Championships hang their banners as well.

Hey if you want to hang banners for making the tourney and Elite Eight go ahead. That's the best your program has accomplished so go ahead.

That's a catchy chant M I Z...E R Y you have. I've got another for you. S E C.....O N D in the BIG 12. Bye bye.

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davehawkSWK 2 years, 1 month ago

Anyone with the rudiments of an education can say. or write, what they wish could have happened in reality. Mr. English cannot dispute what has happened on the court. KU players do not have to display their thoughts through the media; they display their thoughts on the court and do so year in and year out! Mr. English is just feeling a little inferior because he can NEVER be a part of basketball history such as the members of the Jayhawks can, past, present and future.

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Lance Hobson 2 years, 1 month ago

I think it's a little insensitive to make jokes about Missouri's never having made a Final 4. It takes a lot to make a Final 4, and the fact that George Mason and Butler have been there should not make them feel inferior. Even being a basketball school like Mizzou is, the Final 4 is a major accomplishment and they shouldn't feel ashamed for having never experienced one. No one will ridicule them for such mediocrity in the SEC.

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akn28 2 years, 1 month ago

Yawn... Who cares what some border line division one player thinks. Kimmy you play for Missouri think about it Missouri..the same school that has one winning season in a sport and all of sudden your fans think you are some sort of football or basketball powerhouse...turn the page

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kujayhawk72 2 years, 1 month ago

I wonder if Kimmy realizes that Missouri St. has more all-time wins than fizzou. I guess fizzou ain't no Missouri St.

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William Blake 2 years, 1 month ago

Wow... Jordan Tebbutt wants to be a PG. He looks like a super-sized Darnell Valentine!

We haven't had a guard with a set of thighs like that since Darnell's days.

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Andy Tweedy 2 years, 1 month ago

You might have all heard this joke, but the first time I heard it was from Bill Self at this dinner I went to, and it seems appropriate here.

Guy is traveling through Missouri and stops for gas near Columbia. As he's pulling off he sees a billboard advertising a 14 hole golf course. So as he's talking to the attendant, he says "so what exactly is up with the 14 hole golf course, never seen one of those before?" The attendant replies, "we're Missouri, we NEVER make the Final 4!"

Bill Self is king!!!

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Lance Hobson 2 years, 1 month ago

Tebbutt probably lost interest in signing during Teehan's 13-minute speech.

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justinryman 2 years, 1 month ago

All of his quotes will just make the Sprint Center that much louder. And sure the game is on the Missouri side of the river, but he doesn't get any of it, unless he is playing for pay, which would rule him and his team ineligible to compete at the amateur level.

OH and as a sign once read, "Isn't Kim a girls name?"

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El Jay 2 years, 1 month ago

If KU isnt "Kentucky or UCLA", what does that make Mizery? A pile of hot garbage? Yes. And by Kim's argument, I suppose no NCs in football prior to the BCS count either. What an idiot. Just goes to show what kind of a BS education you get by living in Mizery for four years. And I love the comment about "KC is our town". Really? When was the last time you won the Big XII Tourney again? Oh yeah, NEVER. Somebody may want to drug test this kid because he is high on something

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jcoop4ku 2 years, 1 month ago

Wasn't KE the same player that said on Gameday a few weeks ago that "Even if we lose EVERY game of the season and still beat KU, then it's considered a good season"????

Now that's respect...

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KansasComet 2 years, 1 month ago

Okay, Mr. English, the floor is open. Please explain to us what Missouri Basketball is? Kansas fans understand what their basketball program is. All we have to do is read the name on the court. That says it all.

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JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

Since this is a 'discussion' between a Mizzou player and Kansas fans.

--How many all-time conference titles does Kentucky have

--How many all-time conference titles does Kansas have

--How many all-time conference titles does UCLA have

For extra credit points, how many big 12 conference titles does Mizzou have

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JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

Since this is a 'discussion' between a Mizzou player and Kansas fans.

--How many all-time conference titles does Kentucky have

--How many all-time conference titles does Kansas have

--How many all-time conference titles does UCLA have

For extra credit points, how many big 12 conference titles does Mizzou have

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Mike Kendall 2 years, 1 month ago

Uh, yeah----Kimmy English was the one after the KU game in Lawrence "that atmosphere had nothing to do with their win."

Talk about clueless--------geeze!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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William Blake 2 years, 1 month ago

If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck... then you know it's just another member of the SEC. See you on the grill, oh foul fowl.

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Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

Most games played - 1] Kansas[2868], 2] North Carolina[2792], 3] Kentucky[2730]

Most games won - 1] Kentucky[2082], 2] Kansas[2064], 3] North Carolina[2060]

Helms Championships - 1] Kansas [2], 2] North Carolina [1], 3] Kentucky [1] [non-NCAA years]

NCAA Championships - 1] Kentucky [7], North Carolina [5], 3] Kansas [3]

And Missouri??????....................crickets.........

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Displayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Shut him down, and shut him up!

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William Blake 2 years, 1 month ago

“Their fans kind of have a false sense of security about what Kansas basketball is. It’s not Kentucky. It’s not UCLA.”

And Kentucky is not Kansas, and UCLA isn't Kentucky. Someone has to inform this genius that A differs from B... and B differs from C. That is why they are called something different; and are located in different locations, etc. etc. etc.

Maybe we should start with math first... 1 + 1 = 2.

I bet Kim will graduate from Missouri, no doubt Valedictorian. At least the guy has heard of 3 schools beyond Missouri... a feat rarely accomplished by undergrads in Columbia.

Give the guy a cookie before sitting him down on his rug for a nap.

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JayHok 2 years, 1 month ago

Mike Alden surely is behind what Kim is saying. Mizzou is desperate to get Kansas on their schedule! Sorry Alden, your new rival will be Arkansas----have fun!

If Kim would use his google button he would see even if measuring only in his lifetime--- Kansas has the greatest winning percentage in the 90's and the 21st century in all of college basketball. He must have missed Danny and the miracles by a couple years so we can give him a mulligan on that. He must have had a torturous childhood in KC. Tough place to be a Tiger.

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dynamitehawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Kim English is a good kid - pretty funny actually, and smart, too. He's trying to get a rise out of KU fans. Kim succeeded.

I'm actually really sad for KC that MU decided to join the SEC. This tournament is one of the best times of the year for MU, KU, and KSU. Hate to see it end.

Kim. Scoreboard.

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rnrover81 2 years, 1 month ago

Using his "logic" - what does that make Missouri basketball? It's not Wyoming. It's not Drake. Both of which have a final four appearance. Another classy move to question the number of National Championhips Kansas really has. He must have gotten tired of counting to zero for his own school. Their (Missouri fans and players) jealousy of the Kansas basketball program is comical.

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Steve Brown 2 years, 1 month ago

I am so going to miss Mizzwho.

Happy for SEC that they are getting our beach.

Someday Mizz will get a final four, if it is this year, then you only have 12 more to reach the program that is 'not UCLA or Ky'.

Back to reality. I do like good college ball, they have a bunch of talented seniors, share the ball and play well as a team. Actually I like they way they play, it is just the uniforms, being black and gold that I can't stand. If they were from another state I would almost root for them.

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kusully 2 years, 1 month ago

Kim, Please take a moment and look up in the rafters at Paige Arena. You will notice that Mizzery recognizes mediocrity while KU recognizes only excellence. Here endeth the lesson.

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Martin Rosenblum 2 years, 1 month ago

Missouri is going to a conference where National Championships are very common,,,,in football. But, there is history with basketball NCs as well. Just as in the Big 12, there are more than two schools that have won at least one NC. And there are more than two schools that have won conference championships multiple times.

Can Missouri say the can match up with the elite schools in the SEC, based on these criteriae? They haven't won a football NC, nor a basketball NC, and haven't won multiple Big 8 or 12 conference titles. So, they don't appear to be enhancing the resume of the SEC at all to me, just as they did nothing to enhance the Big12. They'll be competing against Kentucky, Florida, Arkansas, LSU, ALabama and others who are in the national spotlight in many sports and who know how to compete on a national level as well as within a conference where winning is a tradition. God luck!

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kugrampy 2 years, 1 month ago

Missouri fan = DELUSIONAL

Thank the heavenly elders that MIzzou (oh how I hate that damn term) is going to the SEC, I hope we never play them again in ANYTHING.

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april28 2 years, 1 month ago

So....what's that make Mizzou then, Ms. English?

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jayhawkinATL 2 years, 1 month ago

...BTW...who the hell wants to be in UCLA's shoes right now?!?!

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jayhawkinATL 2 years, 1 month ago

This coming from a guy who is part of a program that STILL doesn't have a Final Four appearance. LMAO

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ccarp 2 years, 1 month ago

Big words for a young man whose favorite word is IF.

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nuleafjhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

“He’s got a little Norm (Stewart, former MU coach) in him. There’s nothing wrong with that,” Self said after Wednesday’s short practice in Sprint Center.

That's one of the creepier, but probably true, statements that Coach Self has ever muttered!

As far as English's Kentucky/UCLA comparison - thank you! Glad you're smart enough to see that. Also throw in there that it's not Missouri either. We have way too many teeth for that.

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LSHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Its just sour grapes from a bunch of meth cooking, sister dating, yocals. So the conference champs are the tournament champs huh,well no problem how bout we kick your butts Saturday and then what will you say?

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SuperCorona 2 years, 1 month ago

Don't worry about these idiots. After they are done in the NCAA tourney, the Big 12 is done with them.

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Danny Hernandez 2 years, 1 month ago

Can't we get someone from the BIG12 office to issue an official statement that says the Regular Season Conference Champ is the Regular season conference Champion and that Kansas has won 8 straight Big 12 championships? Whether they're shared or not, it's a regular season championship. I get so tired of the few mutards reluctance to both comprehend and/or accept what is fact.

After Saturday, misery is dead to me and should be to the rest of Kansas fans....I have never loathed that team and fanbasse as I have the last 15 years or so...And I truly believe it has more do with the fact that Kansas continues to stay on top and they were never ever able to knock us off....Just plain jealousy and lots of green in there too.

they are the most pathetic, whiny and insecure fan base I've ever been around and I resided in Pac10 country for over 35 years and none are this stupid. Currently residing the Miami/ACC area now, even haith's former teams fans aren't this stupid and they've achieved zippo in basketball, similar to misery's accomplishments. They know when to keep their mouths shut

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championhawks 2 years, 1 month ago

He's just jealous that he couldn't play in front of the best fans in the country every home game... Or even just a packed house every home game!

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Alohahawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Memo to Kimmy English:

Kimmy, say what you want about KU's fans. After all, it's a free country and everyone, including African Americans, (thanks to the Civil War - during which Mizzery supported the losing side) has the right to freedom of speech.

Note: "Kimmy" is the way young children are commonly addressed by their families, until they reach maturity.

Kimmy, if you think badly of KU's fans, one has to wonder what you honestly think about the antics of MU's fans/antlers. Please explain your honest opinions about them before you venture any further into a publicized discussion about a team's fans.

Kimmy, if you really want to be recognized for your beliefs, you're going to have to improve your debating skills. You must state your case analytically, or few if any will believe what you're saying. Stick to specifics, not generalities. Anybody can say, "I don't like KU's fans." But if you don't give specific reasons why, it's just a bunch of shibai, as we call it in the islands.

Kimmy, if your going to point a finger at KU's fans calling us out, you better look down at your hand and notice there are more fingers pointing back towards yourself and your own fans. Afterall, it's MU's fans/antlers who are crass and act immature in their public displays of idiocy.

Kimmy, do you condone calling players, coaches and their families at all hours of the night before a game? Would you like to be subjected to the same?

Kimmy, if you have a family member die, would you want people saying untrue, disgraceful or inconsiderate things about them? Or making snide remarks, or displaying signs about them during a game? The MU antlers have made that into a science. Makes one wonder if they teach a course for such at MU.

Would you like to be spit on and called obnoxious names while playing, or walking to and from the court?

If you answer "Yes" to any of those questions, you'll need to grow up some more before you can answer to any name other than "Kimmy".

Signed: The general public.

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Kman_blue 2 years, 1 month ago

Backing up coach Self's statements.

Here's the actual numbers of KU alumni and mizzery alumni who call the KC metro area home.

KU alumni in KC - 88,000 mizzery alumni in KC - 20,000 (according to mizzery alumni association's KC chapter)

4 1/2 to 1 in favor of KU alumni.

KANSAS City is a KU city.

Not smack talk, just the facts.

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Trent Smith 2 years, 1 month ago

I would say we are no Kentucky! They even have their arena named for a Kansas University basketball player. I think there's also the "Dean Dome" at UNC. I think we must know something about basketball here. Maybe if Norm had some Kansas connections earlier in his career, MU might have more of a basketball school.

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Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

I'll be so glad to be rid of Kimberly English. I read the article in that Mizery rag. So sad, both in what it must be like to be that pretentious piece of trash Kimmy English, as well as the writer of the piece. They actually dug up some hack who uses some computer program to determine his own college basketball rankings, and said Mizery was the rightful champs in '21 & '22.

The article also goes on to state that KU hasn't won 8 straight conference titles because the true conference champion is the winner of the conference tournament, not the regular season. Really? You do know those are people from the Big XII offices bringing us our yearly trophy when we win the league right? Not just something we decided upon to make ourselves feel better.

Of course the funniest thing about the article is its title: "What constitutes a national championship? Don't ask kansas." Well one thing is for certain, we shouldn't ask Mizery either!

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Doug Cramer 2 years, 1 month ago

There couldn't of been a better statement that motivates players as much as this one from English.

Fuel for the fire.

Let's go win a national championship boys.

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syceda 2 years, 1 month ago

Were not Kentucky or UCLA, Really!

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Benjamin Piehler 2 years, 1 month ago

KU absolutely is on par Kentucky and UCLA, Mr. English.... though I don't blame you for your bitter feelings... (If we're not UCLA or Kentucky... where does that place you? When was the last time either of those institutions won an NCAA title?)

Wasn't that Kim English in the fetal position on Naismith Court after MU blew the game?

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