Wednesday, February 29, 2012

Self: Big 12 championship just the first step


It’s probably fitting Kansas University’s basketball team wrapped up — and celebrated — the program’s eighth-straight Big 12 regular-season championship late Monday night at Oklahoma State.

According to ninth-year coach Bill Self ... it’s the Jayhawks’ performance on the road that’s annually separated his squad from the rest of the pack.

“Winning at home is great. You always want to win at home. We have an advantage to winning at home because we have great players, an unbelievable building and fan support,” said Self. His Jayhawks have compiled a 68-4 Big 12 record at home in the Self-era entering Saturday’s 8 p.m., regular-season finale versus Texas.

“Somebody told me today we’re 53-20 on the road in league play — 53-20 is pretty amazing,” added Self, whose Jayhawks actually are 54-19 on the road. “We went 7-2 on the road this year. For this team to go 7-2 on the road is pretty cool. It’s pretty special. The two games we lost (Iowa State and Missouri) ... we could have won either one of them.

“In the national championship year, the best we could do is 5-3. To win away from home like that is a tribute to how far these guys have come.”

Self made sure the Jayhawks did not take this eighth-straight title lightly following Monday’s 70-58 win at his alma mater, OSU.

He had the players place the league championship trophy on the floor of the locker room after accepting it from Big 12 associate commissioner John Underwood and had the Jayhawks do a bit of dancing around the hardware.

Self took part in the dancing.

“It was great. We were all dancing. I’ve done it four times now,” said red-shirt junior center Jeff Withey. “It’s always the same, a great feeling,” he added. “It’s really fun to be able to do that.”

The Big 12 coaches picked KU and Texas A&M as co-favorites to win the league. Others were more skeptical, figuring KU was in for a down year by the Jayhawks’ standards.

“How did we do it? We worked hard,” Withey said. “We have great coaches. People said this would be our off year, but we all took it to heart and worked hard. When you have the player of the year on your team, it definitely helps,” Withey added of Thomas Robinson.

Self was asked on his Hawk Talk radio show why he puts more emphasis on winning the league than other Big 12 coaches.

“I don’t think that’s an accurate statement. Every coach puts emphasis on winning the league because that’s who you compete against. If you are able to win the Big 12, you have a chance to be pretty good nationally,” Self said.

“Bragging rights means a lot to everybody,” Self added, while noting, “the postseason (NCAAs) trumps it. We are happy where our season is, but we shouldn’t be patting anybody on the back now. We did what we wanted to do. It’s the first stage. Hopefully there are bigger and better things out there for us. We can’t relax. It’s been a good year. Now you’ve got to make it a great year. The only way to do that is play well in the postseason.”

The seniors will start again: Self said starting guard Tyshawn Taylor would be joined by fellow senior reserves Conner Teahan and Jordan Juenemann in Saturday’s starting lineup versus Texas.

“The three seniors will start. We always do that,” Self said. “Jordan walked on, has been with us four years and has done a really good job. Conner has been with us about as long as (Brady) Morningstar it seems,” Self cracked of the fifth-year senior. “I’m proud of Conner. Boy did he come up big against Missouri (four threes). Of course Tyshawn ... I don’t know if I’ve been around many who have come as far as he has in so many ways.”

Self said junior Thomas Robinson would not give a speech after the game, but could be recognized in some way. Though no official announcement has been made, it’s a given he will be turning pro after the season.

“People have asked me about Thomas (on Senior Night). As much as I care for him and stuff, we do have a history and tradition. This is Senior Night, not Junior Night,” Self said on his radio show.

“I do think our fans would certainly pay a tribute to him. I’m sure we’ll be able to make that happen in some form or fashion for a guy who has given us so many thrills.”

Withey’s ankle OK: Seven-footer Withey, who sprained his left ankle early in Saturday’s victory over Missouri, scored six points and grabbed two rebounds in 16 foul-plagued minutes Monday at OSU.

“It felt good to be out there,” Withey said. “I’ve had a lot of treatment since the Missouri game. It’s still a little hard to cut. It’ll get a lot better. We have awhile before our next game. It’ll be fine.”

On Traylor, McLemore: KU senior Taylor commented on ineligible freshmen Ben McLemore and Jamari Traylor, who have practiced, but not played in games this semester.

“He’s for sure a pro,” Taylor said of the 6-5 McLemore Tuesday on SiriusXM’s Inside College Basketball show. “He’s young, is long and is the best athlete in terms of getting off the floor.”

Of the 6-7 Traylor, Taylor said: “He’s like a 6-foot-7 T-Rob. He’s strong, real athletic and is a beast from Chicago. He plays hard every possession.”

No game against NU: The Omaha World-Herald says KU and Nebraska have talked about starting a series beginning next season. The paper said, “it would always be a road game for NU, but some games would be played at the Sprint Center in Kansas City.”

“We never talked about anything but one game,” said KU schedule maker, Larry Keating. “It was so preliminary we didn’t even discuss it here. We talked a while back. Nothing is going to happen this year.”


nb4ku 2 years, 1 month ago

CBS still has Robinson at #1 for POY. There is a place to vote at the bottom. I know it doesn't matter, but I still don't like seeing TRob behind him in any poll. Go Vote!!


Jason Wilson 2 years, 1 month ago

So are McLemore and Traylor using a year of eligibility this year or will they be considered freshman next year?


UKALLDay 2 years, 1 month ago

Just reading the article above and....there is no mention of Kentucky or Anthony Davis anywhere....however to read the comments posted you would think UK is your next opponent. I guess that is what Coach Cal calls the "Kentucky Effect". I changed my avatar...I hope you guys like it.



Alohahawk 2 years, 1 month ago

This article generated an unusually large number of posts, which covered a wide variety of arguments/discussions, a number of which weren't directly related to the headline. Moreso than usual, it seemed that posters added new subtopics to those already posted, which led to other related topics and discussions. The only overall tie-in being KU BBall.

There are numerous occasions, during that slow, deadzone time, after the BBall season ends and school starts up again in the fall, when I have wanted to post a message about something I've read or heard relating to recruiting, the conference, coaches or players, Etc. Unfortunately the only available space is an article, usually posted days before, which is past the discussion mode, and therefore, adding a newer post will probably be missed by most everyone.

May I make a suggestion to the LJW?

Why not create a Monday thru Friday open forum (during that deadzone time period) for the regulars to check daily and post messages they feel are important to us regular posters? Something like an editorial page in the newspapers. It wouldn't require a full blown written article. Perhaps just a few tidbits thrown out to bait the posters. (Oops. I almost said to Jaybate the posters into a full blown discussion.) Just having an option available to post on would be appreciated.

Any thoughts from other posters on that type of forum? Or am I just blowing hot air?


Hank Cross 2 years, 1 month ago

Playing NU makes less sense than playing MU. Complete waste of time with no recruting or national interest. KU would be better off scheduling University of Central Florida or San Jose State. I didn't miss NU at all on the schedule.


REHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

2012-2013 Jayhawks. Drooly Dick V., whaddaya say?


Gil Ek 2 years, 1 month ago

Jay Bilas interview with HCBS before this season with practice video.


jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

"News Updates on Departees, Plus Some Spreads from jaybate's Gentleman's Wager Betting Line"

~Tad Boyle's got CU 19-9 and 5th in the Pac 12, even after losing his two top guards last season. Boyle is going to make it.

~Doc Sadler 12-15 and 11th of 12 in the Big Ten. Doc is finding life harsh in Big Ten country. Thank the albino AD and Warren "No Super Corridor right of way, then no tar sands pipeline" Buffet, Doc.

~MU's forecasted football finish in the SEC? 10th. Forecasted basketball finish? 6th.

~TAM's forecasted football finish in the SEC? 6th. Forecasted basketball finish? 7th.

~jaybate's gentleman's wager betting line on how much longer it will be before UK has to forfeit a season? Two years.

~chances of Calhoun coming back to UConn unless recruiting improprieties go away and hell freezes over: 1 in 1 Billion.

~chances Bill Self will offer Deandre Whatever-the Flip-His-Name-Was a transfer to escape Traumnovelle d'Calhoun: 1 in 1 Trillion.

~chances a significant number of games in D1 are not being fixed: 1 in 2.

~chances Murray Sperber was wrong about college athletic departments being the tail that wags the university dog: 1 in 2.

~chances Texas will not muscle TRob: 1 in 1.

~chances Bob Knight will soon be found to have some form of early onset dementia: 1 in 3.

~chances Dick Vitale will say something sensible: Zero.

(Note: All fiction, except about Tad and Doc. No malice in any case.)


jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

Is it just me, or has this team gotten better since its been practicing against BenMac and Traylor?


jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

The best quote in the entire story was by Tyshawn about Jamari: "[He] is a beast from Chicago."

That ought to be the title of a flipping horror flick.

"The Beast from Chicago."

I can hardly wait to see Jamari rebound and defend. He looks like he wants a piece of someone just sitting in street clothes.


Alohahawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Just something to think about:

What with the controversy over the end of the Border War between KU vs Mizzery.

And with the media clamoring to have the rivalry continue (despite KU's determination not to).

I can see the NCAA committee forcing the issue and, somehow, attempting another game between the two schools. They'll see it as a money making opportunity, (They'll sell loads of tickets), and it would be a great way to advertise their ultimate product - the NCAA tournament.

In previous tourneys they've gone so far as to purposely place mid-major teams with similarities to KU's former losses in the Big Dance (ie. Schools starting with the letter "B", Etc.) in the same brackets against the Jayhawks. You watch. They'll place a "V" and/or a "B" team in KU's bracket this year.

Any bets that KU and MU will be in the same bracket, maybe as #1 and #2 seeds in the Midwest region?

Guess that everyone will have to wait and see. If we have to play MU again this season I'd rather it was before MU could reach the Final Four.


Ralster Jayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Yep, its a "down" year for us. "Down" based on the high-school-rankings-of-players-currently-wearing-a-ku-uniform-no-MickeyDs. It doesnt address the players ability to play in the learned-system that is SelfBall. Bill Self chooses the kids who want to learn. Take 5star EJ's very humble and eloquent comments repeatedly last year+this year. Self's last squad to have no MickeyDs was his final Tulsa squad that went 32-5, Elite8. The side fact/main fact that he definitely does get top, MickeyD level talent almost yearly is the flip-side to the fact we may not have 1 MickeyD at the moment. Plus, does a OAD really fit in the best with Self's gotta-learn-it system? My vote is for the 10th-100th ranked players, who knowingly "choose us and our system"...and of course any MickeyD who thinks he wants to take the Self-challenge...


REHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

If Bill Self should be inclined to give Doc's Huskers a game or two somewhere other than Lincoln in the next decade, I can live with that. Though, generally speaking, I'd prefer that the Jayhawks turn a cold shoulder to all 4 defecting Big 12 teams. Is a shame that Thad Boyle got caught up in the CU defection. If he stays at Colorado and continues to develop winning teams, I would not object to a home game with the Buffs, merely because a former Jayhawk is at the helm. But Mizzou: Bye-bye forever! Never again in Lawrence or Columbia. If the Powers What Be have to negotiate a future deal, schedule it at a neutral site with Kansas drawing 60% of the money.


JD Roth 2 years, 1 month ago

You know, all you Jayhawk fans should really get off of Jack Harry's back. He was ready to cry complaining about you and mentioning!! He's sorry he picked against your Jayhawks!! He'll never do it again. He can't believe you can be so cruel to insult his family and other elements of his life just because he mouthed off on Jack's Smack. That's ok, Kietzman kissed his derriere and massaged his ego this afternoon. Maybe he learned his lesson about who rules the Big XII Conference.


danmoore 2 years, 1 month ago

KU vs. the cobs? No, no and no!


KansasComet 2 years, 1 month ago

So, this is what a rebuilding year feels like? Wow! Go Jayhawks!


Jason Wilson 2 years, 1 month ago

I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I went back and looked at KenPom's conference champion predictions (they were done the week before the conference season STARTED)

Big 12: 1) Kansas (33.1% chance of winning conf) 2) Missouri (32.6% chance of winning conf) 3) Baylor 4) Texas 5) Kansas State

The top 5 are exactly right aside from Iowa St. switched spots with Texas. Keep in mind this is when Kansas was 8-3 and ranked #18, Mizzou was 12-0 and ranked #8, and Baylor was 13-0 and ranked #7.

Sometimes its amazing how good the advanced statistics are at predicting future performance.


Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

2012-2013; Johnson, Withey, Releford, Traylor, McLemore, Young, Wesley, Tharpe, Lindsay, Ellis, White, Peters, Adams, Lucas, Sampson, Shabazz, Parker.

Thats 17 current, future and possible Hawks.

How do we get down to 13?

Wesley gets covered again by Keith. Lindsay will probably transfer. Out of Sampson, Shabazz and Parker, we only get one.

2013-2014: Johnson, Withey, Releford, Young all leave...Frankamp and Greene arrive and Wesley gets one back and we still have one to give....and we are really, really, really young!!


Sandeep Kalburgie 2 years, 1 month ago

Seems like KU is gaining steam in the recruitment of JaKarr Sampson. If Jakarr commits to KU, then our chances with Shabazz may spiral downwards :(. Thoughts?


Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago


As you can see, Robinson is not only in the lead, but Anthony Davis is sitting at 4th, and a solid .085 points behind, making him closer to 8th place Tyler Zeller than 1st place.

Unfortunately, Pomeroy doesn't release his actual formula, so there is no ability to dissect the data and make our own assumptions or criticisms. However, he does explain that he attempts to capture a player's offensive and defensive value to his team and in relation to how often he is used by his team and relative to the team's improvement and opponent difficulty.

For a bit more background on these numbers:

The top five guys have been in these rankings (though maybe not at their current slot) consistently for most of the season.

The bottom five slots have fluctuated a great deal--for example, Tyshawn Taylor was sitting at 9th about a week ago.

Robinson's score has stayed right around the .550 mark for most of the season.

Anthony Davis' score has been a bit more volatile, fluctuating between .440 and .460

The final scores for last year's POY showed Sullinger as the winner, with a score of .521 (just to give you some perspective on where Robinson's numbers rank with past history)

Of course, we all know Jimmer Fredette won the award last year. He finished 3rd in Pomeroy's POY scores with .487 (just to give you some perspective on how the voters are influenced by things having noting to do with a player's actual production)

And because I can't mention the Anthony Davis/Jarvis Varnado corellary without providing the actual numbers, here they are:

POINTS Jarvis Varnado (JV) - 13.8 Anthony Davis (AD) - 14.3

REBOUNDS JV - 10.3 AD - 9.8

BLOCKS JV - 4.7 AD - 4.8

ASSISTS JV - 0.9 AD - 0.9

STEALS JV - 0.7 AD - 1.5

TURNOVERS JV - 2.0 AD - 0.9

FG% JV - .582 AD - .658

I don't know about you, but I don't remember anyone even MENTIONING Varnado as a viable POY option in 2010. Yet, now we have a guy putting up very comparable numbers, on a team where he can benefit from playing off of 4 other NBA-likely players, being touted as the front-runner by some on ESPN, and a neck-and-neck tie with Robinson at worst.

It makes me angry. So angry, in fact, that I sent an email to Mr. Jay Bilas--who I believe is the one who turned the key in the ignition on the "ADPOY" bandwagon bus--with all the data and information that I've just provided here. I would encourage fellow Jayhawk fans who know that POY is rightfully Thomas Robinson's to do the same or similar. Let's be satisfied with the fact that, even if we can't convince the ESPN talking heads to see reason with numbers and data, that we will flood their inboxes with data in the attempt. We are Kansas, and we don't suffer injustice to one of our own lightly.

[steps down from soapbox]


Sam Constance 2 years, 1 month ago

I too feel that Davis is going to steal the POY award out from under Robinson's much more deserving nose. This is because ESPN, who controls far too much sports coverage for their own good, has a brain trust of college basketball analysts who tend to shy away from the "obvious", instead preferring to manufacture stories by presenting the less-considered take on a given issue, even when that less-considered take is "less-considered" because it's WRONG.

This is what has happened (or is happening) with Anthony Davis v. Thomas Robinson.

In most years, a player like Thomas Robinson--upperclassman who is the clear-cut leader (in terms of play) on his team, the focus of every opponent, leading the country (I think) in double-doubles, and one of a short list of players who is averaging a double-double--would be the overwhelmingly clear choice. But this year, somehow a player who is the 5th-most utilized player ON HIS OWN TEAM and has stats nearly identical to Jarvis Varnado from 2010 (who? you ask... exactly) has come on strong because suddenly Anthony Davis is single-handedly responsible for Kentucky's great team defense. Or at least that's what the raving lunatics on College GameDay would have you believe. I think I'm most disappointed in Jay Bilas, who has a rep for measured, objective analysis.

Luckily, our friend Ken Pomeroy, who has traditionally focused his advanced statistical eye on the metrics of teams, has begun tracking potential NPOYs in a similar way and his rankings show Robinson as the clear frontrunner, and have shown him there since they rankings were published on his site.

For those of you who don't pay to access the deep content on the site, here is the statistical rankings for NPOY (according to Pomeroy) as of Wednesday, 2/29:

1) .548 - Thomas Robinson, Kansas 2) .537 - Draymond Green, Michigan St. 3) .474 - Jared Sullinger, Ohio St. 4) .463 - Anthony Davis, Kentucky 5) .447 - Mike Scott, Virginia 6) .424 - Will Barton, Memphis 7) .408 - Jordan Taylor, Wisconsin 8) .381 - Tyler Zeller, North Carolina 9) .366 - Cody Zeller, Indiana 10) .359 -Jae Crowder, Marquette

(to be concluded...)


nb4ku 2 years, 1 month ago

CBS has moved us to a #1 seed. Better yet, they have Methouri as a #2 in Kentucky's bracket.


BCRavenJHawkfan 2 years, 1 month ago

Interesting UCLA article.

Someone please refresh our memories. KU played UCLA last year (2010 - 2011), a December game that KU won by one point on a controversial call. Did that game have some scrums with these UCLA thugs? I thought there may have been a technical called against one of the Morris twins in that game??????


Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

Not that this is a set-in-stone indicator as to how it will turn out, but the ESPN hype-machine has finally completed their task, as Anthony Davis now is in first place in their bi-weekly straw poll for POY.

What anyone else says won't make me think any less of TRob, not ESPN, and not any award. He is, in my mind, the best player in the country. I do have concerns that TRob may be trying too hard to win this award. We've heard HCBS say as much. My hope is that he simply lets the game come to him, and the rest will work itself out however it's going to work out.


Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

Since the Howland article has got everybody buzzing, I thought it might be fun to speculate on who might be next in line should Ben get the axe. No names jumped out at me right away.

The two candidates that eventually came to mind were Brad Stevens of Butler and Greg Marshall of Wichita State. But plucking a coach from the mid-major ranks carries some risk. Can they recruit in a BCS conference? Can they compete week-in, week-out in a BCS conference? The recruiting aspect is particularly relevant to UCLA, as they are at a disadvantage being out west, and in a pretty scrubby Pac-10 conference that hasn't shown a lot of signs of pulling out of their funk.

If UCLA were to not go the mid-major route, another path is to grab a coach at the next tier down. Mike Brey from Notre Dame was a name that I could see them making a run at. Buzz Williams from Marquette is another.

The last option is to choose an assistant coach from someone else's team. This carries a lot of risks too, as elite level programs generally like to see how someone runs their own program before giving them such a high profile gig. I do not know any of assistant coaches around the country that are considered hot commodities for head coaching jobs.

It's a tough task UCLA could eventually be facing. We've seen good coaches flounder under the pressure of such jobs (see Billy Gillispie). Anyway...thoughts?


4Runner 2 years, 1 month ago

The border war games in basketball have literally been the closest mizzou has ever experienced to that of a National Championship game! As a member of the Big-XII mizzou was guaranteed at least 2 opportunities each season to play a perennial power in KU. The Jayhawks continue to maintain their status as a National Championship contender year after year after year... Of course mizzou wants to continue to have the opportunity to play the Jayhawks, KU represents the standard by which mizzou has always measured their worth!! KU doesn't need you, never has and never will. Your choice to run to the SEC,,, Your new border war is with Arkansas. Cheers!! RCJH!!!


PurePierce 2 years, 1 month ago

Let's invite Thomas back next year. If not on Senior night, then somewhere around it.


justinryman 2 years, 1 month ago

So when KU comes up to Omaha for the second and third round games, where will everyone be? I live just outside of Omaha and can't wait to watch the game with some of you guys!!!!


Ralster Jayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

At least Howland found the guts to kick Nelson off the team.


Ralster Jayhawk 2 years, 1 month ago

Regarding Ben Howland: all the "incidents" point to a 'spineless' coach. I think his days are numbered. Reeves Nelson is a "thug" on the court, and a malcontent off the court...Another such court "thug" is California's Jorge Guiterrez. If anyone thinks the Twins were in the same category, they are sadly mistaken, as they totally missed what is actually tough swagger+confidence that Self himself tried to cultivate in the soft-when-frosh Twins-->very sad if actual ku people missed out on understanding the difference, and ultimately what would Self say about it? They turned themselves into lotto picks with hard, hard work and learning all they could from Self+Danny, didnt they??????? Reeves Nelson will be NO lotto pick. Fact. Reeves Nelson will be poor. white. trash.

Regarding Bill Self having more conf championships (8) than AFH losses (7)...that is utterly amazing. Howland is an example of a very average coach, now under pressure at an elite blueblood program, UCLA. Self is an example of a truly elite, gifted coach+recruiter, who maintains full control over all things under his realm, and doing this at this blueblood. Nobody better the past 5yrs. Howland could take lessons from WildBill.

The Mayor (respected IowaSt coach) tried to give us a loss in AFH, but Tyshawn Taylor tried harder....

Frank Haith+Denmon+English+Moore tried hard to give us a loss in AFH, but Self+Tyshawn Taylor+SirThomas Robinson tried harder...

My hats off to this team and to Mr. Bill Self for doing it his way.


Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

The Stairway to Heaven:

...............................................National Championship.............................................

......................................Championship Game.........................................................

...............................Final Four................................................................................

.......................Elite Eight.......................................................................................


........Big 12 Tourney................................................................................................

Big 12 Title.............................................................................................................


Ron Prichard 2 years, 1 month ago

I heard this on the radio yesterday, but it bears repeating as one of the most amazing stats I have heard: Bill Self now has more league championships (8) than home losses (7).

There is really no way to actually comprehend how impressive that is. Absolutely amazing!

Congrats, Coach Self!! RCJH!!


dw3c 2 years, 1 month ago

I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I for one would love it if KU scheduled a game against Nebraska. Only for the simple reason that it would be hilarious listening to all the mizzou fans complain.


William Blake 2 years, 1 month ago

Looks like some issues have been brought up by Sports Illustrated concerning UCLA's Howland and his 'Ben Ball Warriors.'

Maybe Shabazz turns away from the west coast...


Sally Presson 2 years, 1 month ago

Senior night is what it is "Senior" night, not Jr night. Would love to show Thomas how much we love him, but he's not staying with us and Tyshawn & Connor did when they were Juniors. I realize this is what's best for Thomas and I wish him the very best, he deserves the very best. But we have to give Tyshawn and Connor all we've got for staying with us. I hope Thomas realizes how much the fans love him and what he's done for KU basketball. he is an awesome young man and deserves the best!! Just so he knows--we're going to miss him, his talent and that beautiful smile, that melts the hearts of everyone. This team has worked extremely hard, and have proven what hard work does. they are so unselfish and have a deep concern for their teammates, you can not only see it but you feel it. This is a wonderful team and our coaches are the best in the world. Coach Self has got to be the Coach of the year!! there is absolutely no one like him!!


Ron Franklin 2 years, 1 month ago

Why did Bill Self put so much pressure on the kids for last Saturday's game? He was talking it up like it was the biggest game ever. I agree, it was. I think I would have taken a different approach--"it's just another game" even though it wasn't. But couldn't it have been a smarter approach to keep these guys even-keeled? Did he intentionally amp up the pressure to see what his kids were made of?

I just thought that was out of character for Self--usually he doesn't hype up a game like that, that I can recall. It worked out perfectly. And from a fan standpoint, I enjoyed it. But the 'tightness' definitely showed the first half.

Bill Self's consistent winning ways has cost him the COY this year. 2010 he was picked 5th in the league, and won it for the 7th in a row. So, in 2011, even with much less returning than the 2010 team had, the Jayhawks were picked to tie for first with A&M. Writers didn't want to pick against Self. Can you blame them? He made them look like idiots in 2010. But, realistically, this team should have been picked to finish 3-4 behind Baylor & Missouri. Mizzou afterall did return all of their starters from last year, and have a senior laden team and Baylor has a group of pros.

So, Bill will not be rightfully awarded the COY that he deserves. They will award it to a coach under an investigative probe, who didn't recruit one of the players to Mizzou, and is succeeding off of Mike Andersons players. Haith deserves props, but not COY.

Anthony Davis only has more blocks on T Rob from a statistical standpoint (his fg% is better too, but who cares). The way I look at it, I give Kentucky their average point-per possession for every extra possession he steals for UK by blocking. I compare that to the extra possessions provided by T Robs rebounds, and it's a wash. T Rob outscores, and out rebounds Davis. He is way more valuable to this team than Davis is, and he is the best player in the nation.

TRob will be robbed of the POY and that's a damn shame.


KU Homer!:)


Tony Bandle 2 years, 1 month ago

The 2011-2012 Jayhawks: The Movie;

1] Bill Self - Keifer Sutherland 1A] Cindy Self - Reese Witherspoon 2] Joe Dooley - Steve Buscemi 3] Curtis Townsend - Cheech Marin 4] Danny Manning - Michael Clarke Duncan [The Green Mile] 5] Tyshawn Taylor - Eddie Murphy 6] Thomas Robinson - Quinton Aaron [The Blindside] 7] Jeff Withey - David Morse [Contact]] 8] Elijah Johnson - Ernie Hudson [Ghostbusters] 9] Travis Releford - Chris Rock 10] Connor Teahan - Zach Effron 11] Naadir Tharpe - Spike Lee 12] Kevin Young - Sasha Cohen [with lots of make-up] 13] Justin Wesley - Keith Langford 14] Jordan Juenemann - Edward Norton [Fight Club] 15] Ben McLemore & Jamari Traylor - [to be cast at a later date.]


okiedave 2 years, 1 month ago

I favor of playing Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado. I like the idea of dominating our region and demonstrating to the PAC 10, Big 10 and SEC that they received no prizes. The fact that Nebraska wants a series with Kansas shows that they now recognize there was something special about a NU - KU matchup and they miss it. The NU student body is obviously not into traveling to Michigan, Ohio and Indiana to watch NU lose. NU needs KU to put some vitality back into the NU basketball program.


NoteToSelf 2 years, 1 month ago

Great news after the OSU game is that is the last true road game on the schedule.... Texas at home, the Big 12 Tourney in KC (home away from home) and the NCAA Tourney. I like our chances going forward.

Assuming KU doesn't get any more recruits for next year (I don't think Shabazz is coming) what will the starting lineup look like???

  1. Elijah
  2. Ben Mac
  3. Travis
  4. Perry
  5. Withey

Dyrk Dugan 2 years, 1 month ago

i am convinced, that the Omaha World Herald article was all an NU leak. There is no way in the world, that we would schedule a series with flippin way. if we won't schedule MU, (and i agree with that BTW), we are NOT scheduling Nebraska.

Mens bball is getting their tail kicked in the Big 10...and now they dream of some guaranteed money. These schools are BEGGING for the chance to play Kansas in's the only way the dollar signs will register.

i bet their revenues from gate receipts for mens bball is significantly down from their Big 12 days. it has to be.

all of these schools will regret leaving their natural, and long time rivals. I just figured it would take a few years....but with the shuckers' case, it was only a few months!......LOL


jaybate 2 years, 1 month ago

BenMac probably won't jump in and overwhelm everyone, but he must be a major talent. KU players don't often refer to unproven teammates as future pros.

If BenMac has been learning Self Defense, and can take on air and shoot near his reputation, by February of next season, he could be a very dangerous weapon to go with the returning arsenal and the incoming arms traffic.

Everything depends on chemistry, and how soon the lights go on, but a major, though probably not perfect storm because of youth, seems brewing next season.

Oh, what the heck! Great coaches always put together a few exceptional seasons with green wood.

Go, Bill, go!


april28 2 years, 1 month ago

A little shocked to hear we'd even consider playing Nebraska. As an alum, donor and fan - I have no interest in ever seeing the cornheads on the same floor or field with the mighty Jayhawks. Ditto for the other three loser-schools.


kerbyd 2 years, 1 month ago

Nuleaf and tis4tim were talking the other day about the movie "Trains, Planes and Automobiles", in a football article. It got me to thinking about the one of the few things I did not like about that movie was the way they talked about Wichita and how ugly it was. It turned out that Wichita was not ugly enough to actually film in so they picked another site to do the shooting. Guess where they chose. Thats right. Columbia, MO!!!!


stm62 2 years, 1 month ago

I see where yahoo sports writer Pat Forde thinks that Anthony Davis should get player of the year honors. He then went out of his way to mention Thomas Robinsons controversial no-call at the end of the Missouri game. I became suspicious so I looked up Fordes bio.. Sure enough, he is a Missouri grad.


Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

Regarding TRob, I agree with Self. It's Senior Night. We went through this same thing with Aldrich when Sherron was a senior.


Kye Clark 2 years, 1 month ago

If I'm not mistaken the picks of KU & aTm as preseason co-favorites to win the league was before Traylor & BMac were declared ineligible, and before Billy Kennedy was diagnosed with Parkinson's, as well as some other setbacks that team has dealt with. I wonder who the pick would have been with all the relevant information at the time...probably Baylor would be my guess.


phogphan2000 2 years, 1 month ago

Would it be interesting to have something like a 4 team tourney in KC every year with CU, UNL and MU, sure, is it worth it, beats me


SaltLakeHawk 2 years, 1 month ago

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prusso25 2 years, 1 month ago

Great coach, great team, great 8 years of big 12 domination.

If Ben and Jamari are as good as Tyshawn claims, we might as well clear up some room on the shelf or a 9th big 12 trophy.

Gotta love being a Kansas fan.


gardenjay 2 years, 1 month ago

Wow, Larry Keating sounds like the unavailable popular girl the week before the prom. Sorry Nebraska.


kerbyd 2 years, 1 month ago

p> has a great article on Kansas, ridiculous Big 12 titles runs.


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