Sunday, June 19, 2011

San Diego State’s Steve Fisher unhappy in losing recruit

Coach angered by Kevin Young’s switch to Kansas

Kevin Young watches the alumni scrimmage during the Bill Self basketball game on Wednesday at Horejsi Center.

Kevin Young watches the alumni scrimmage during the Bill Self basketball game on Wednesday at Horejsi Center.


San Diego State basketball coach Steve Fisher was not a happy camper Friday upon learning prize Aztec recruit Kevin Young had decided to switch his commitment to Kansas University.

“I’m disappointed that a young man who I am very fond of would not feel an obligation to honor an eight-month commitment,” Fisher told the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Young, a 6-foot-8, 215-pound forward who played two years at Loyola Marymount before taking classes at Barstow Community College last school year, signed a financial aid agreement with SDSU in November. He ultimately changed his mind and elected to play his final two seasons at KU.

“And I’m equally disappointed in a program and coach I’m very fond of to pursue a player who made an eight-month commitment,” Fisher added.

He, of course, was referring to ninth-year KU coach Bill Self, who issued his take on the situation Saturday in an interview with the Journal-World.

“I don’t blame coach Fisher for being disappointed at all because Kevin did commit to them,” Self said, “but Kevin also told them he wasn’t going to San Diego State before we recruited him, so we didn’t steal him from San Diego State by any stretch.

“We would not have recruited Kevin if he was committed to San Diego State. He did de-commit from them before we pursued him at all. We did not recruit him until after he de-committed,” KU’s coach stressed.

San Diego State, which is in rebuilding mode after losing several players off last year’s Sweet 16 team, currently has eight scholarship players to KU’s 11. The maximum is 13.

“Unfortunately, the only people who suffer in this situation is us because we passed over three or four very talented players because we did honor our commitment (to Young),” Fisher told the Union-Tribune.

Financial aid agreements bind a school to a player, but not a player to a school. Young could not sign a national letter of intent with SDSU in November because players can sign just one letter in their college careers. Young has signed a financial aid agreement with KU and is enrolled in summer school.

“It (SDSU) is a great school as well,” Young told the J-W. “There’s nothing they did wrong or anything that made me change my mind. I just figure this is a bigger stage and a lot more opportunity.”


ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

The day I listen to Fisher talk about morals in coaching. . .

WilburNether 9 years, 10 months ago

Definitely +1

Yeah, it really bothers me that Steve Fisher (of Fab Flops fame) is not a happy camper, Yes, indeed, it really, really bothers me. It truly does.

MIZNIT 9 years, 10 months ago

Since it was Fisher paying the players... Grow up. Steve Fisher is a great coach who got a raw deal.

John Boyle 9 years, 10 months ago

Steve Fisher is a great coach? Based on what? He won a national championship with a talented and experienced team that came together at the right time to make a run. He wasn't their head coach until the 6 games in the tournament. He didn't recruit any of the players on the NC team. Then he got the FAB FIVE. The supposed five best players coming in and what did he accomplish with that group. How many NC's? Zero! He was in charge of a program that paid players. True he didn't pay the players but it happened under his watch. Coaches can't control everything their players do but when it is that widespread, you know he was just turning his head to the misdeeds.

divingos 9 years, 10 months ago

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Steve Gantz 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry coach Fisher, but San Diego St. vs. KU is a no brainer for just about any kid. As the article stated Self didn't do anything wrong.
As for Young, let's hope his maturity and experience help out in the next couple of years.

BC5 9 years, 10 months ago

Fisher is mad about recruiting? Seriously? What the hell was he doing at Michigan all those years? Taking the best recruits. All is fair Fish... and stop being naive. KU or SDSU? Really?

100 9 years, 10 months ago

Nice to know the true story.

Hopefully the San Diego papers can report the truth now instead of leaving yesterday's Fisher quote dangling out there to be the last word on this matter.

Michael Pannacciulli 9 years, 10 months ago

He has a onwers mentality. Young is his property. You do understand the rules of NCAA ball right Steve? If these were quotes overheard between he and his coaches at the bar I'd get it, but otherwise his hot air and attempt to call our coach and program out is weak. I'm sure Young is reading this saying thank god I didn't make that mistake going there.

waywardJay 9 years, 10 months ago

"Wait. Are... Are. You Crying..... In baseball.... There's No Crying In baseball."

Steve's just peeved that his Three of a kind gave us a Flush. No worries steve. they'll be other hands.

Mo Mosallaei 9 years, 10 months ago

So if SDSU only has 8 scholarship players now, how could they have passed on three other players to keep their committment to Kevin Young as Coach Fisher claims?.

AverageCitizen 9 years, 10 months ago

Excellent reply......................Indeed, Fisher's statement holds no water!

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

1st thing I thought as well. At least he's not blaming others for his own failures.....

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

I've heard his bladder suffers from the same...

79ictjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Exactly! He passed on other recruits beause he had (with KY) 9? Fuzzy math.

GridironHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

He passed on other players because he was out of spending cash... However, Kevin decided it was better to play ball at KU as an Amateur then play at SDSU as a "pro"...

Dan Pawlowski 9 years, 10 months ago

Maybe he passed on players that play the same position. Not sure what his current class looks like. I would think that would have to factor into it.

lazyrider 9 years, 10 months ago

they have two transfers who have to sit out a year. A kid from utah, and the St, john transfer Polee....that makes 11 with young. Then they are trying to get a medical 5th year for Carwell(center), that would be twelve.

Alohahawk 9 years, 10 months ago

"... but Kevin had also told them he wasn't going to San Diego State before we recruited him,..." Key word, "before", in Self's statement. If true, Fisher shouldn't complain. That is the nature of the recruiting game. Fisher can voice his disappointment, but he shouldn't point fingers.The athlete has exercised his right to freedom of choice.

Under different circumstances, however, I remember when Slimeball Calipari called T. Jones immediately after Jones had announced his college choice (Washington, if I remember correctly.) That leaves one with a huge question: Why would a recruit make a complete fool of themselves on the publice airwaves? Was there some hidden shenanigan (payola) involved

It's always been considered a courtesy to the recruit, as well as to the selected school, that once a recruit announces his/her decision, they are considered offlimits. Of course, when has Cal ever fit that description?

lazyrider 9 years, 10 months ago

From young himself:

“Around the end of May,” Young said, “I talked to Coach Townsend and let him know that I was interested in coming. And then before he went on, he made sure that I talked to Coach Fisher and (assistant head coach Brian) Dutcher at San Diego State and made sure they knew that I was planning on taking a visit out here and stuff.”

Which begs the question: If Self and Kansas weren’t recruiting Young before he decommitted to the Aztecs, how did Young know he was going on a recruiting trip there?

Two sources close to the situation, speaking on the condition on anonymity, say it went like this:

The SDSU coaches got wind about Young’s trip to Kansas the week before and phoned him to confront him about it. And even then, the sources said, Young never formally decommitted from SDSU before taking the trip – wanting to keep his options open.

On Tuesday, Fisher declined to comment further on the issue, saying he preferred “to take the high road” and not engage in “a war of words.”

mae 9 years, 10 months ago

have to admit though, this is a new low for ku recruiting...

waywardJay 9 years, 10 months ago

It's a terrible low for sure. Recruiting a kid that was De-commited from a school and was open to any opportunities available to him? What's next, We will outright go after a talented Senior in state who has not made his intentions known. Or perhaps we will, gasp, Sign a kid on the first available day to a LOI because he ,gasp, wants to play basketball here.

We will be facing strict NCAA penalties on this one, Surely.

hawksince51 9 years, 10 months ago

I do not understand the basis for your comment. Is it that we pursued and signed a player after he de-commited? I certainly can find no fault in that. We have done the same thing several times in recent history--Hinrich, Henry, Morris Twins, etc. It's just a part of the game. Or, is it because you don't think Young is good enough a basketball player for us? I for one would rather have a player like him who has at least proved he can play as opposed to an unproven OAD. The fact that Fisher is upset about losing him adds to this kid's credentials as a player as far as I'm concerned.
IMHO if you make a comment like this you should explain yourself.

MIZNIT 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm young. Where did Hinrich commit to first?

Kip_McSmithers 9 years, 10 months ago

Iowa State for Tim Floyd. Then Floyd was hired by the Bulls and Kirk decommited.

kranny 9 years, 10 months ago

Not sure about this comment. If a kid de-commits, other schools would be knocking on his door, why not KU. That's college basketball and it's normal. The question would be if KU was talking him out of his commitment. According to Self, that wasn't the case. Unfortunately Fisher doesn't have the pull.

Michael Auchard 9 years, 10 months ago

This is the most ignorant comment I've read on this board by far.

cobweb 9 years, 10 months ago

Fisher ethics is an oxymoron. We're old enough to remember, Steve.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Fisher must be a big Liberal......whining and complaining and blaming everyone else for his problems. Liberals just want to be "fair".......sorry.......but "fair" is just liberal code for stealing from hard-working successful this case i that's KU basketball.

funkitect 9 years, 10 months ago

i'm sorry, but your comment has no place on this board... get your politics out of here!

Kevin Studer 9 years, 10 months ago

Huh? This comment goes to borderline Crazy-Town, theend. Go to a political website if you feel like partisan griping.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

No borderline about it. theend is city counsel member, sheriff, mayor, and town drunk of Crazytown.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

No. He's just as bad at that.

At least when he's doing one of his tea-party style rants, I can see it and know to move on without reading. When he posts about basketball, I get fooled into wasting my time.

kranny 9 years, 10 months ago

You seem to be very "liberal" in connecting liberals to whining coaches. The whole lot of them must be card carrying members at this rate.

waywardJay 9 years, 10 months ago

Or he could be a conservattive because all does is talk about the way things are supposed to be while he goes and does the opposite....

Personally I believe we shouldn't interject our world views on the Sports Eye.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Sure he's disappointed. Fisher's clean as a lug nut on a rusty pick up. Ask Bob Knight. It's likely he'd give you the scoop on Steve from their days in the Big 10. A pig in a white shirt & tie is really still just a pig.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

Let's review:

Point guard: Taylor, Naadir, Roberts, Garrett Shooting Guard: Johnson, McLemore, Teahan, Juenemann Wingman: Releford, Young Power Forward: Robinson, Wesley, Traylor. Center: Withey, Anderson

HCBS will obviously play numerous combinations based on opponent, injuries, individual player effectiveness, etc.

However, I sure wish we had another "Big" Big to insert in the middle. As unbelievable as it might sound, Jeff Withey may be the key to whether this will be a reloading season or a rebuilding season.

I choose to listen to my heart and not my head and say, I think Jeff will be a force!!

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree, Oak. This season will hinge on Withey's play.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry Fisher.....that's life. Deal with it. Hey Fisher......I got more bad news for you.......there are no unicorns nor leprechans either........and you don't always see rainbows in the sky. What was KU supposed to do......just be a "nice guy" and not go after recruits aggresively?

And gee.....what a shock....... a recruit chooses Kansas over San Diego State......there's a tough choice!

Anytime I hear the word "fair".....My radar engages......usually that means success is being taxed or stolen away.

I wonder if Fisher is a big Liberal......maybe he thinks every game should end in a tie.....wouldn't that be "fair"????

Kevin Studer 9 years, 10 months ago

Take your meds, theend. Your rantings are gibberish.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Get off Fisher for something he didn't do 20 years ago. He has been at SDSU for 10+ years and a majority of his years he was on campus begging kids to come to games. He has been nothing but great at SDSU and has brought a program back from the dead. Just because he calls out his disappointment, respectfully I might add, a handful of 'holier than thou' ku fans are bashing him. lame. Both sides to a story, but he did plan on going to SDSU and now he's going to ku. Self is a bit off in his comments. As an SDSU alum and a diehard KU fan I'm over it. it's recruiting. SDSU does not reload they have to rebuild, KU the opposite. KU was more than disappointed that they lost DD to Uconn. So was SDSU. The reaction is just so much different. A good majority of u were bummed but wished him well. That to me is a great ku fan. The others act like spoiled 11 year olds.

Lastly, I have been to AFH and SDSUs arena several times over the last 5 years. AFH is amazing and always will be. SDSUs atmosphere and energy rivaled and beat AFHs last year. Many tv guys who had been at both and have commented on how amazing the crowd is at SDSU. It is a great place to play and go to school. There is also a giant difference on climate and coeds. Don't get butthurt KU fans and please dont act like UK fans. ROCK CHALK AZTECS!

Marcia Parsons 9 years, 10 months ago

Did you really say: "he calls out his disappointment, respectfully I might add," when actually Fisher accused Coach Self of getting Young to decommit by recruiting him while he was signed with SDSU? He had already decommitted when KU contacted him in spite of how great your arena is.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

You don't sound like a KU fan to me. And personally I could not care less about SDSU or the "energy" in your insignificant arena. Do you really think KU fans care about that??? What a bunch of drivel. Go away, along to the SDSU fan board.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

You don't sound like a KU fan to me. And personally I could not care less about SDSU or the "energy" in your insignificant arena. Do you really think KU fans care about that??? What a bunch of drivel. Go away, along to the SDSU fan board.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Read bro, read. Curious. How old are u? And it looks like dial up is working again at the trailer park.

Paul James 9 years, 10 months ago

sounds like you know something about that

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Steve was an assistant coach and a head coach at one of the most corrupted programs in modern D1 history--Michigan.

He left Michigan, as Cal left Memphis, with a tsunami of forfeits.

As Cal did, he claimed to be clean in a cess pool.

As happened with Cal, the NCAA found no evidence to support penalizing him.

As with Cal, he went to another program and began having great success recruiting again. A distinction worth making is that Cal had this following success at a sagging Maybach program (UK), whereas Fisher had his success at a school that had never had much success in basketball.

KU fans, Self and KU should definitely take offense to what Fisher said (and implied) about Self and KU.

Your analogy with Deandre is irrelevant and fallacious. Deandre was never committed to KU. Self never made unsubstantiated claims of another coach inappropriately recruiting Deandre out from under him.

The issue here is Fisher smearing Self's and KU's reputation with unsubstantiated claims that Self and KU recruited Young inappropriately, when the absense of facts substantiating Fisher's allegations, plus Self unequivocal statement that Young was not recruited prior to his de-commitment, so far indicate the contrary.

Frankly, it appears Fisher should have done what Self has done when he loses out in recruiting competitions, or has roster players that want to leave. He wishes the former well, helps relocate the latter, and does not try to smear coaching colleagues with apparently unsubstantiated allegations.

IMHO, Fisher ought to apologize to Self and KU immediately.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Lol! Is this really smearing his rep? Come on bud, as others have said, it's cut throat and SDSU lost. Understandably so. It's KU for petes sake. DD, Uconn straight up stole this kid. They came in late and gave/promised more. Ku lost, again to a great recruit. I hear there is a recruit from USD who may jump ship. He avg 8pts last year in the WCC....quick call Self. He will be able to fill another gap in Kus roster next year.

Did u comment on violations/suspensions for ku v SDSU over the last 10 years? Selby, Dblock, etc.

....if u live in a glasshouse.

David Hodges 9 years, 10 months ago

I recently read an article that stated DD wasn't going to come to KU because he was upset with Self. Self apparently told him straight up at semester that he would not pull a scholly from Reed, Morningstar or any other players and that he would have to pay his way if he wanted to be on campus second semester or wait until next year for a scholly. If that is true... props to Self as that reaks of a kid with entitlement issues. Those type of issues do not meld well with teammates.

David Hodges 9 years, 10 months ago

And really... Selby... ya KU had everything to do with Selby getting a suspension. Its easy to talk trash when your facts are skewed. Selby's suspension had absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to do with KU. But saying his name and inferring that it did is just easier. Even DBlocks suspension wasn't related to a KU violation. It was a bad personal decision made on Jackson's part which he more than happily owned up to and payed his dues. I could care less about the above argument but saying KU is dirtier for a players personal violations (In Selby's case, before he was ever even a KU prospect) is slanderous, misleading, and has no place here. Let's keep it civil boys. Rock Chalk!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

LOL SDSurferApologista,

So: you are saying its okay for Fisher apparently to want coaches to collude with him on black listing Kevin Young for de-commiting?

Colluding to black list players for de-commiting, if it were going on here, would seem a possible violation, wouldn't it?

Oh what a tangled web we weave, SDSurferApologista, when first we practice to excuse Fish's actions.


Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Great point, JB. Reminds me of him wanting to recruit Pat Knight but being afraid to make the home visit face to face with the old man. Bob might have punched him out if he darkened the door. For those who don't or choose not to remember, Fisher was head asst. to Frieder (sp) when he was run out of Michigan, and Fish wasn't far behind.

AverageCitizen 9 years, 10 months ago

"Both sides to a story, but he did plan on going to SDSU and now he's going to ku. Self is a bit off in his comments"

I think you are a bit off in your comments. Nothing in this article said Kevin WASN'T going to SDSU. Self actually said he was going to SDSU ...... “but Kevin also told them he wasn’t going to San Diego State BEFORE we recruited him, so we didn’t steal him from San Diego State by any stretch" said Self . How is Self a bit off?

Last year and this year the recruiting pool has been much weaker. That is why it is a sellers market. Kevin is just taking advantage of the market to place himself in the best possible position. I can't see Cal ad Self both going after Braeden in a flush year but they both did this year.

And, no one slammed your fans to illicit your "my arena is better than your arena" comments. SDSU had a remarkable run last year and it was evident your fans were into it.

Just be aware you are on a Jayhawk site. We are naturally going to stick up for Self about inferences that our coach poached your player when it wasn't true. Equally, I have no problem with Fisher being disappointed. He just should have stopped there without the Self comments. Did you expect KU fans not to object and reply?

duanep5ku 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurferfan I can understand being upset but If you want to come to a Kansas site and brag about how great SD is compared to KU, I'm sorry that will fall on debt hears on here, because no one cares. I have know, problem with SDSU and I'm glad they had a great year last year, but I have to disagree with how Fisher is dealing with the issue because if the paper Quotes from him are correct. He's not acting like a class act at all,sorry but if the kid was not going to SDSU and he changed his mind. It's not Kansas fault or Bill Self's. Oh, and Fisher loses the credibility argument when he says he lost players, I mean why would that happen, with all the scholarships he had available at SDSU, just sour grapes on his part in my opinion. SD-fan their was no malice meant by my post and ignore the bottom feeding. The End the troll that promised to go away but is still here,why? SDfan- Good luck next year and I do respect your loyalty to your School. PS,you had some nice post on this site last year that I enjoyed.

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago


I've always respected you on these boards, and continue to do so. You are a level-headed guy, respectful with good insights. You have made more than 1 of us follow SDSU because we know we have one of our own who is out there.

You make some fair points, and I understand your anger with those fans who are piling on Fisher. People do tend to get defensive at times like this, and often things are taken to far.

One thing I would point out, however, is while you make this statement: "Self is a bit off in his comments," I suggest you take a deeper look at Fisher's. “Unfortunately, the only people who suffer in this situation is us because we passed over three or four very talented players because we did honor our commitment." This makes very little sense. Why would he pass on guys when he is barely fielding a team? You don't stop at 8 commits, that is just silly. Bill Self could be inaccurate in what he says, but it is far easier to see his statement being true than it is Fisher's. I think that is a big reason why people are lashing out a bit at the Fish, even if some of it is unfair and crosses the line.

But please stick around with us and keep posting. There are more than a few who would be quite disappointed if you left these boards.

Rock Chalk, my friend.

captku 9 years, 10 months ago

I love this type of KU fan. Staying above board when another fan tries to bring it. Nice work, as usual LA, and way to stay on the high road. I respect that, and feel that SD will also respect that type of reply. I second the call for SD to keep the commentary flowing. (And happy papa-day to the dads out there.)

sdsuneilly 9 years, 10 months ago

The SDSU scholarship situation goes like this, we have 8 scholarship players for this year and waiting to hear on one (Brian Carlwell) to clear a medical waiver. Waiting on another to see if he gets a family hardship waiver (Dwayne Polee) and we have another transfer for the year after (JJ O'Brien). That would put us at 11 players we are committed to, then you add what we thought would be Young to make 12. We have one commitment for 2012 (Matt Shrigley) and two others closely monitored (Cole Huff and one other) and we lose one senior. I think was just trying to say that they had planned for young when we were waiting on 2 waivers to clear with the NCAA which are both highly unlikely.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Outstanding post LAJ. I hope to learn from your responsible reply. Sometimes I, like Ron White, have the right to remain silent but not the ability.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Why did he leave the good life at Mich to go to a nothing program like SDSU? For the climate, or just for the fun of it? Vacated W's, that's why. Knight said for years that Fr & Fish both were unscrupulous. If the NCAA thought so, they must've been garbage. Self deserves an apology regradless of what you think or say. The kid had laready de-committed prior. Also, no one cares about the "atmosphhere" at SDSU-hell they could all be on medicinal dope for all we care. That would get em' going when the BB sucks. Everything's legal in Californie, right? And the coed comment is for your(s) benefit & a Kansas person's bewilderment, right? We've always prefered them with somewhat higher moral standards than that of an alley cat. Pi$$ off clown, go back where you belong.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

I never fail to get a kick out of the self-proclaimed "diehard KU fans" who have not a single positive thing to say about Kansas, but have plenty of negative things to say. As if people are sitting here, reading your comments, nodding their heads thinking to themselves:

"Man, this guy is a KU fan and he's saying these things, so they must be true. A KU fan wouldn't badmouth the team he roots for without a good reason!"

But I do have one issue... you said in your post:

"SDSUs atmosphere and energy rivaled and beat AFHs last year."

Now, to me, that comment implies that there is some objective way to compare and contrast two arenas' "atmostphere and energy". Because otherwise you're just tossing stuff out there and seeing if it will stick. I can't definitively say that KU's atmosphere "beat" SDSU's, because I don't know what one would classify as "beating". But I can say that, on average, year in and year out, AFH is regarded by most of the college basketball world as one of the top three venues of all time. So forgive me if I'm a tad skeptical when you declare that SDSU's arena "beat" AFH, without any sort of support or basis.

I also have a feeling that 9 out of 10 "tv guys" who, asked to compare AFH and wherever-the-hell SDSU plays would laugh at the question even being asked.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

I never fail to get a kick out of the self-proclaimed "diehard KU fans" who have not a single positive thing to say about Kansas, but have plenty of negative things to say. As if people are sitting here, reading your comments, nodding their heads thinking to themselves:

"Man, this guy is a KU fan and he's saying these things, so they must be true. A KU fan wouldn't badmouth the team he roots for without a good reason!"

But I do have one issue... you said in your post:

"SDSUs atmosphere and energy rivaled and beat AFHs last year."

Now, to me, that comment implies that there is some objective way to compare and contrast two arenas' "atmostphere and energy". Because otherwise you're just tossing stuff out there and seeing if it will stick. I can't definitively say that KU's atmosphere "beat" SDSU's, because I don't know what one would classify as "beating". But I can say that, on average, year in and year out, AFH is regarded by most of the college basketball world as one of the top three venues of all time. So forgive me if I'm a tad skeptical when you declare that SDSU's arena "beat" AFH, without any sort of support or basis.

I also have a feeling that 9 out of 10 "tv guys" who, asked to compare AFH and wherever-the-hell SDSU plays would laugh at the question even being asked.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurfer fan IS a KU fan w/divided loyalties..He is not a troll so cut him some slack.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurferFan IS a KU fan w/divided loyalties. Cut him some slack..he is not a troll!

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

damn..I can't even do a simple post anymore.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey SD..I know you are a good fan of KU as your multiple posts have shown and find it hard to believe you could have been placed in a worse position. I'm guessing (I don't follow the program) that Fisher is running a clean program and has done well.. way did Fisher not know something was amiss at Michigan during the fab 5 years. I don't think he wanted to know and did his best to avoid finding out..unfortunatley, the end result is the same. I hope he continues his good works at SD..I know he must really be enjoying his LAM (life after Mich.) and what a great place to be.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Memo to Steve Fisher:

Did you want Coach Self to collude in a black listing of Kevin Young for de-committing to you and SDSU?

Say it ain't so, Steve.

Say you don't participate in, and don't want other coaches to participate in, collusion to black list players for de-commiting.

The NCAA might frown on collusion to black list players for de-commiting.

blackhawkjayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Hey, I'm a liberal - proud of it and I don't talk about it on this board. Theend has posted the whiniest comment today, whining about liberals. Let's stick to sports - KU in particular - there are plenty of other places to post political.....Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Just trying to make a point. Oh....and this post actually gets the whining award. Run along, now...blackhawkjayhawk.....go unite the workers of the world, comrade!

Kevin Studer 9 years, 10 months ago

Oh dear god. I thought Glenn Beck would be too busy to post his crazy-talk on a sports message board. Guess not.

Viggo3003 9 years, 10 months ago

"Hey, I'm a liberal - proud of it and I don't talk about it on this board. "

Ummm didn't you just talk about it?

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Jay-bater. Give it a rest. We all know you know everything and you hate Fisher.

Who has more violations/suspensions the last 10 years. SDSU or ku?

I will always love KU bball, but my opinion of their fans has changed. Selby, X, Sherron, DD reactions included.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Insect. You know nothing about Jaybate and you're no KU fan. SDSU is an insignificant basketball program that gets lucky every half century. Why are we even mentioning them???? We may as well speaking of Norhwest by South East West Texas Teachers Juniour College!!!

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Ive read his comments and others I respect for the last 10 yrs.

Funny how a transfer from LM who avg 10 pts is such a catch for ku! Standards?

duanep5ku 9 years, 10 months ago

The End you still trolling on here because you are not a KU fan either,just needing the attention, I guess.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago


If you're over 18, you're old enough to know better.

Kevin Studer 9 years, 10 months ago

I won't bash SDSU...because, like most KU fans, I don't give a crap about them. Honestly, prior to last year's solid team, I had no idea Fisher was even there (did I spell that right?). Theend's crazy political nonsense aside, this does sound a little of sour grapes.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Yeah. U shouldn't care about the mid level programs. VCU, Bucknell, Bradley.....

KansasComet 9 years, 10 months ago

KU would never brag about beating any of the basketball programs you just mentioned under any circumstances. Food for thought!

79ictjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Dude! I can understand having some split loyality if you live in SD & went to KU, but that crossed the line!!!

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

It's true, we've had our fair share of upsets, it happens. Sorry for your loss, we, KU fans, deal with our setbacks by complaining for a while, then move on. Wouldn't mind having the opportunity to meet you in Maui, you do know your basketball.

duanep5ku 9 years, 10 months ago

I agree with 79ictjhawk. that comment about the mid majors again is crossing the line on here because if you do care about KU like you claim to do that would not be said. SD-Fan- if you claim to like KU you would not be on here talking like that, It's over get over it and move on. All the big time programs have been upset over the years, please name a program that has not? Key word here if you want to talk trash Kansas is a big time program, SDSU is not or you would not be on here arguing about this recruit.

bcf8400 9 years, 10 months ago

No worries mate! SDSU isn't even a "has been"... there a "never was"... Moving on now...nothing to see here...

addlime 9 years, 10 months ago

Dude. Ku beats these schools way more often than they lose. This makes no sense, especially since sdsu didn't play to their seed in the tournament either. I agree with you that ku has had more incidents with players than sdsu, but none of them are on the program or staff. It's only a reflection of the perils out there for top recruits which ku sees a lot more of. Fisher has been clean and great for a decade, but he wasn't at Michigan. Finally, I agree that there is a little something fishy with Self's comment that he had decommitted first. If he didn't know he could go to ku, how could he "choose the bigger stage". Obviously someone at ku let him know that ku was an option. However, even more fishy is fisher's comment that he passed on recruits with only 9 commitments. Really weak...

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurfer Fan is a little gnat that is whining and complaining about a far superior program getting a good recruit. Gee....whast a tough descision for this kid.....Hmmmm.....let's see .......there's Kansas....5 National Titles,countless conference titles,2nd most wins in NCAA history,etc,etc,etc. And then there is SDSU.......hmmmm.....well....actaually nothing comes to mind except a pathetic attempt at a basketball program. Gee.....which school should he choose.....hmmmmmm????

Beate Williams 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurferFan, obviously the smog of southern California has had a detrimental impact on your thinking and logic, to even begin to fix your fingers, needless to say your lips, to imply that SDSU basketball or its fans are comparable to KU/AFH and its basketball fans is pure folly. Yes, most of us listened to what broadcasters had to say last year; AFH was voted the best place in the country to play and view basketball and I don't even remember SDSU being on the list. Please get real.
And, I totally agree with you blackhawkjayhawk; this is a basketball site and there are other places to discuss political issues, whether you are a liberal or a right wing religious conservative.

dustfan 9 years, 10 months ago

I like how you say this is no place for political discussions and still get a subtle insult about conservatives in there. Nice!

AverageCitizen 9 years, 10 months ago

dustfan - Seems to me you are putting the insult into this. There IS such a thing as right wing religious conservative. How is that insulting? The meaning is only in the eye of the beholder because some beholders think liberal is an insult too.

End of my political comments.

vd 9 years, 10 months ago

3 adjectives before conservative, 0 before liberal; that's the difference.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

There is no smog in San Diego. Anyone who has ever spent time there knows that. KCMO made the polluted air top 25.

It is also the home of the 2nd largest Navy base in America. It is also the training depot for the US Marines..the fortunate ones whe missed hell on Parris Island. One of Americas largest USCG bases is also there..anti drug and illegal trafficking as wall as port security. In '09 & '10 San Diego was selected as as one of the top large cities to live.

And finally..Can we keep politics off the boards. It will only get worse.

PS As a member of the San Diego Tourist Advisory Board..I'm offering 10% discounts on all vacation packages!

Beate Williams 9 years, 10 months ago

You make him out to be a real stand out sorta of guy; one you would love to have your kids emulate. (I am being sarcastic here) Hell, he is a grown man, been around the block a few times, should be pretty close to retiring if the administration and alumni do not want him, don't blame someone else for your own failures...that is pretty pathetic.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't confuse SDSurfer apologist with logic, or the facts. :-)

David Hodges 9 years, 10 months ago

Happy Fathers Day to all you fathers out there! (By all, I mean the ones that actively participate in their children's lives, not the boys who donate DNA and then pass on parenting duties to the momma's) On the Fisher/Political talk I'd like to remind all you fans of whatever team it may be that you root for-- I love cookies and you should to! They are tasty! Commence discussion.... Happy Fathers Day and Rock Chalk!

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Finding it's more fun being a gnat/troll than just giving comments. Need to change my post name to SFSurferTroll.

I'll root for KY, comments were warranted by Fisher. But I can see all your points. How dare he talk about BS that way. Shouldn't be upset. He should bow down to a much superior program. As KU should do to Uconn, Duke.

Last 15 yr NAT titles: Duke, 4, conf titles- who cares? Uconn- 3, conf titles- who cares? UNC, 3, conf titles- who cares? ku- 1, conf titles- who cares? SDSU- 0, conf titles- who cares? SDSU is only one behind ku. We are almost there. ku has another 40 years at this rate to catch up to the more successful programs. It's about NCAA titles!

Don't take my non replies the rest of the day/week/month as not caring. We are fair weather fans here in SD. I'll be at the beach enjoying 70 degree weather and the visuals that comes with it. Have fun at Clinton Lake and the joys that comes with summer in the Midwest.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Yep....I knew this loser was no KU fan. Funny how it's so easy to get under his skin .....and then his true alligence comes out. And Ill take the midwest any day over the slime in California.

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

He never said he was a KU fan, quit reiterating a non-point.

gchawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, I stand corrected, just read where he did state that he rooted for KU.

tcass420 9 years, 10 months ago

You have obviously never been to California have you...

PhogAdvisory 9 years, 10 months ago

First of all - Ignore theend. Everybody else does.

Secondly - I'm sorry if this whole thing has soured your experience with KU fans on the boards. I've always enjoyed your posts up til now and wish nothing but the best for SDSU, unless they're playing KU, of course (I even cheered for them in the Dance this past year simply because there was a fellow message board poster who was a fan of them).

There's a fine line between pride and arrogance, and it's situations like these where the line tends to get crossed. There's a lot of history and a lot of victories at KU, so we can and should be proud, but the out-and-out bashing of other schools just because they have a little less history or a few less victories is pretty low-class. Remember, those same schools have sent us home in March on more than a few occasions.

That having been said, I'm biased. Suuuuper biased. I've never had a potential recruit choose another school and NOT been shocked. Duke, Kentucky, UNC, doesn't matter. How could they pick anyone over KU? That's unheard of! So it's not that I'm "hating" on SDSU when I think to myself, "Heck yeah he chose us over them, who wouldn't?" I'd say that about any school. I'm just being a KU fan. Most people are. Unfortunately, some people are rude about it. That's the nature of the Internet Beast.

Anyway, I think the main complaint is that Fisher basically accused Bill Self of foul play, and there's no evidence to suggest that happened. Bill doesn't even have a reputation for sketchy recruiting practices, unlike some coaches coughCalcough. I don't think anyone's saying Fisher doesn't have the right to be angry - I guarantee you Bill was privately pissed about the whole Deandre Daniels thing - but it's unprofessional to respond the way he did, IMO. I don't know much about Fisher's past reputation, but I'd feel that way about any coach making these kinds of comments. Hopefully you can get where I'm coming from even if you don't agree with it.

Enjoy the beach, you lucky dog. Hopefully you'll cool down and be back among us before long.

hawksquawk 9 years, 10 months ago

-In the last 15 years, Duke has 2, not 4, NCAA titles. -In the last 15 years, UNC has 2, not 3, NCAA titles. -It's easy to say "who cares about conference titles?" Especially when you're trying to downplay the fact that KU has won a record 54 conference titles. Think about that number for a second.
-Fisher's comments are likely not warranted. Coaches don't call out other coaches or programs in public unless there is a seriously grevious matter. It just doesn't happen. Fisher threw down a gauntlet. You two must be eating the same grapes. -Not all KU fans live in Lawrence. Besides, your regional/climatic jibes are both childish and non-sequitur. -I won't take your non replies the rest of the day/week/month as not caring. I will take them as you being embarassed, miffed, and unable to defend the weak position you took in these comments.

-Now run along, no one will miss you.

NebraskaJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

+1 Thank you, Hawksquawk.

San Diego...the problem is not that he made a comment about a superior coach / program. The problem is that he made a comment like that at all. Unless he has evidence that Self violated NCAA recruiting rules, he should think about his words and apologize for them. That's not a statement any coach should make unless there is truth behind it. If there is truth behind it, then shame on Self. But highly doubt that's the case.

AverageCitizen 9 years, 10 months ago

Ha- big mistake! You think all KU fans live in the midwest? We're nation wide, International. There is likely to be a couple of KU fans sitting next to you on the beach. Happy Father's Day!

ku_foaf 9 years, 10 months ago

Wrong. In the last 15 years, UConn has 3 titles, UNC 2, Duke 2, and KU 1. Zero total for SDSU makes them tied for about 250th place. Only 4-5 schools have more Nat. Championships than KU. Only KY & UNC have more total victories.

It does sound like Fisher is crying foul to take pressure off himself in a down year. He has done a good job there. SDSU will need 100 years to catch KU, IF we fall on our butts for 90 of 'em.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

Actually, we passed NC. We are now #2 with our sites set on Kentucky.

ku_foaf 9 years, 10 months ago

That's right... We were teetering back & forth for awhile.

Ethan Berger 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm sorry but I hate when fans think that all that matters is championships. Basketball is a sport of who is hot and who is not. Its not like football, you can turn around from 90 feet with your eyes closed and make a shot. We saw it in the nba finals (not the shot). Mavs got hot and heat sizzled out. UCONN ran into a hot streak at the right time, butler has done it twice, does that make those teams better? Heck no, it just means your shots fell at the right time and theirs didn't. To me the great programs are always in the talk year in and year out. Please, the moment you judge a program based solely on titles, is the day that the understanding of the sport has left you. UCLA had the crazy decade in the 70s, that does not mean they are the best in history because of a good run? Conf titles do matter, wins in the regular season do matter. I wish KU would find a way to clutch it out more, but when our 3 pt specialist turn into Shaq behind the arc, it is hard to win. If you don't believe KU is right there with, UNC, UK, IU, and Duke, then I don't know what to say.

SaltLakeHawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Dude, I'm beginning to doubt if you really live in cali. The major cities in cali were cool places to live... 10 years ago. Sure it's 70 degrees out, because that just happens to be the average temperature of smog. The "visuals" are hallucinatory side-effects of inhaling too much smog--don't trust them. Those aren't hot coeds you're seeing... they're homeless people, of which there are thousands on the san diego beaches.

I recommend avoiding the polluted outdoors entirely and just staying inside at your 1100 sq/ft studio apartment. Afterall, you're probably paying about $3500 per month for it, and you should at least TRY to get your money's worth.

And every dollar saved by you, a tireless and proud resident of california, is one more dollar that can be put towards your state's astronomical debt. Our entire country is in debt, but california is leading the way and hitting high scores. That entire dystopian state is soon to slide into the pacific under the weight of its own debt and the collective douchiness of its inhabitants.

Sorry bud, most people these days see cali for what it really is: the turd that refused to flush.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Sounds like jayhawkinnebraska to me. Give him enough rope guys...

100 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow. Next year's recruiting class is suddenly shaping up very nicely.

We are one John Calipari move away from Self hitting a grand slam....

I'm wondering which non-professional big man we should put on scholarship?

  1. Dirk Notwinski

  2. Cole Aldrich

  3. Nick Collison

  4. Enes Kanter

  5. Shaquile O'neil

  6. Dwight Howard (he still has 4 years of college remaining & has already been in a commercial wearing a Kansas uniform).

.... Now we only have two more roster spots, so Self will have to be quite picky on these 6 recruits.

Jonathan Allison 9 years, 10 months ago

Please allow me to amend your post.

None of these prized recruits should have eligibility issues.

1.) Dirk Notwinski (not the one who won a title) 2.) Cole Aldridge 3.) Nick Collinson 4.) Dennis Can'tor 5.) Shaquille O'Malley (the giant leprachaun) 6.) Dwight Showard (he makes it rain at the free-throw line)

LAJayhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

"Steve Fisher Pissed at Self"

Pronoun pun heavily intended.

jayhawktalk 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't care who you are, that's funny.

SEKrep 9 years, 10 months ago

Im sitting here all by myself at work and I actually lol'ed on that one

SCHNBALL 9 years, 10 months ago

Steve Fisher, grandfather of Ryan Leaf!

David Hodges 9 years, 10 months ago

Here's one more. Hit reverse this link at the bottom of the page and... Kansas has a much longer list as to why we are better. +1 for the link. And for the record I am neither here nor there on today's hotbed topic, just enjoying the laughs and spending another outside playing with my two boys. If it weren't for naptime thats where I'd be right now. Happy Fathers Day (To the ones that deserve it, you know who you are) and Rock Chalk!

SD_KU 9 years, 10 months ago

Kansas fan out here in San Diego. Let me state that anyone who doesn’t think there wasn’t a deal in place for Young to transfer to Kansas before he de-committed from SDSU is a complete fool. It wasn’t official but the wink-wink and nudge-nudge were definitely given.

Who cares if Self tampered. The NCAA won’t investigate something like this, they never do. Who cares what Fisher thinks and about his past at Michigan. He’s proven to be a good coach at SDSU and built a good program there. Any program and their fans should feel a sting and be upset if a player commits there, signs a financial aid agreement and then without notice ends up at another school. We should just be happy it didn’t happen to us because it could some day, probably more likely in football though. I think that tells you more about the recruit and the people around him. Obviously, all kids want to play at the top level and the more historic programs but something seems fishy with this kid.

We should be paying more attention to Young. He attended LMU and was a good player for them in the WCC. Withey would probably be a 1st Team or at the very least 2nd Team All-Conference selection in that league. Young chooses to transfer to SDSU where due to graduation and a weak recruiting class (saving scholarships for the better 2012 recruiting class) he has the opportunity to compete for a starting position. It’s not like he was going in there to be the man and might not even have started. All indications also point that he probably wouldn’t start for them in 2012. He would just be added depth. Then, given our lack of depth and inability to land better recruits we find a guy to help with our depth that officially isn’t stuck with the school he committed too.

So we ended up stealing a recruit from SDSU who was only going to be a bench guy for them who previously had some decent years for LMU in the WCC. At least we are only stuck with this kid for 2 years and hopefully he doesn’t become a problem off the court. Actually, will this guy even be here for his 2nd year?

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

For the record, Good for KU bad for SDSU. All fair in love and war. Don't blame fisher for being pissed and don't blame self for calling bs on fisher. Hell...I'm just happy to have a chance at kids who go to ku or uconn. That is a big deal for SDSU. fisher has been scrambling to find players this year coming off last years success. This is a big deal.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

SD_KU (and all you're other phony aliases)

An agent provocateur false flagging on a sports web site?

Me thinks you've been watching a bit too much NCIS. :-)

Present evidence, or consider yourself hilariously pathetic.

Dan Cook 9 years, 10 months ago

SD-KU is wrong. There was no deal in place. While recruiting Merv Lindsey, Kevin Young's name was brought to KU's attention. The first question asked was "Has he de-comitted from SDSU?" When it was determined he had, contact was made with Young. End of story.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

All very entertaining. I'll be rooting for KY and the rest of Jawhawks next year. I'll be in Maui in Nov. I will see most of their games on NAT tv.

AND.... I will enjoy reading the sky is falling comments and all the expert takes. It will be fun to see a strong season, conf title, and it will suck to see another early than expected NCAA exit.

SDSU will be lucky to make the NIT next year but will be watching the final four from the same place as you and KU. The living room.


SD_KU 9 years, 10 months ago

While we'll have another strong season, probably a conference title and hopefully make it to the 2nd weekend in the tournament.

This Yound kid isn't going to add anything that wasn't there other than maybe a body for charge drills.

With Young or without Young SDSU was going to have to fight to make the NIT next year.

SDSU is one of those schools that can't reload for each season but have to rebuild for a couple years later. It appears they are doing so for 3 years out.

While fans at Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, and Kentucky can't live with that, make fun of it, and can't comprehend that because we are spoiled. Mid-major teams understand this and are happy to follow this path.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

STD_KU & Surfer girl. Go troll your own site & hopefully...someone cares enough to comment!

jayhawktalk 9 years, 10 months ago

I enjoyed your posts all season. It even made me marginally interested in seeing them play, and wishing them the best in their efforts through the season.

I'm not going to bash you, though these posts tempt me... Really, really tempt me. I'll just say, you are not just defending yourself; you are also alienating a lot of active readers on these boards that would have otherwise been empathetic. Enjoy the beach and come back once the tantrum has subsided and we can all have fun posting random thoughts, civilly.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Concur. My disparaging comments are also part my frustration as a KU fan. I despise UNC, UK, and UCONN. Some of the cheap comments directed at a great story in ncaab last year got me going.

Again, I hope KY kills it for KU and I'll root for him. My fathers day present is a picture of me and my kid sitting in AFH. I love this team.

I rest my blabbering and discontent.

don't banish me dudes. Just show a little restraint on the issue.

SDSurferFan 9 years, 10 months ago

Concur. My disparaging comments are also part my frustration as a KU fan. I despise UNC, UK, and UCONN. Some of the cheap comments directed at a great story in ncaab last year got me going.

Again, I hope KY kills it for KU and I'll root for him. My fathers day present is a picture of me and my kid sitting in AFH. I love this team.

I rest my blabbering and discontent.

don't banish me dudes. Just show a little restraint on the issue.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

Just pass on this subject..can't be easy to even attempt objectivity. Most know you have been posting here as a KU FAN for some time.

KansasComet 9 years, 10 months ago

This "Young" man must be quite a steal!!!!!

mikehawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Not difficult to interprit Coach Fisher's comments. He is covering his tail with the sports media in SoCal. Also, plays to the future by hoping to give Self some "yips" before coming back into area in the future or moving on a player he has his hooks into, particularly in California. A coach complains to a referree, not about the current call, but hoping to get the nod on the next close one. Self was smart to publicly address the allegation. Coach Fisher needs to stick to trying to beat HCBS on the court, as he is out of league taking him on with the media.

Alohahawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Change of subject: announced 15 invites to the Green Room for the NBA selections. Marcus and Markieff were both invited. No mention of Selby.

jayhawktalk 9 years, 10 months ago

<p> (not

Just correcting in case people were trying to use the link.

Alohahawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Mahalo. Sorry for the typo. Even proofreading I skipped over my error.

Jack Wilson 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurferfan: Rough day, I see .. just read the thread. Don't take some of the stuff personally .. I always enjoy your posts and observations.

Nasty business, this recruiting. We want our coach to follow the rules, be ethical and win the NC. We certainly have gotten all of that from coach Self -- the ethical part is not perfection, but excellent relative to the competition. We also want him to compete and make our team better when he has the opportunity.

I don't cry any tears for Fisher .. Fisher knew this kid could change his mind at anytime. It is a risk. He said he passed on other kids waiting for Young .. but he has scholarships open. He was unwise to be so trusting of the commitment, with open scholarships. He left himself open. Sounds like he .. SDSU .. basically told kids "no" because of Young. Tough spot because if he brings a kid in to compete with Young, he may have lost Young because of that. But that's the game, and that's the risk.

I understand why Fisher might a bit upset.

But I'm glad our coach competes for what we need. And I'm glad we have another option at the 4 spot heading into this season.

And the SD KU fans on here .. can we forget all this ever happened?

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

Anyone eles remember the NCAA games in SD that were delayed a few years ago while bomb sniffing dogs searched the building? Great place ya got there SDsurfer!!!

I suggest you go to the boardwalk in mission beach and slam a couple until your head is back on straight.

aztec_in_ks 9 years, 10 months ago

Im from Sunny San Diego CA, but now live in kansas for the past 7 years, so im a little in the middle on this. First of all this article is not accurate at all to the truth of this story. It's true Kevin Young told them he decomitted from his financial aid agreement before he was officially recruited by kansas, but does a few days before he goes out to KS count.... come on let's be for real. So yes coach Fish has a right to be upset because KY had plans to come out to KU before he told the coaches at SDSU. I have people on the inside at the sdsu athletic dept. so i know what the deal is. So fish does have a right to be mad bc this process was unofficially going on before kevin young had decomitted from SDSU. If people are so nieve to see that , than they're full of themselves. As to KU fans im just upset that most of you are so ignorant of the KU, mystique... Your not better than everybody else, just in kansas compared to california theres not to much to do other than sports. So you have a greater following than sdsu, bc there is a lot to choose from out there. Don't be so simple minded and just open your mind to the possibility that your coach isn't as innocent as you make him out to be,,,,,,

                      Aztec_in_ks out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 10 months ago

Previous comment has been ruled null and void based on anyone willing moving from SD to KS has sever mental impairments and is in need of serious help.

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

Shut up,'re the ignorant one. You know nothing about this Mr. "contacts inside SDSU"......oh impressive!! First, you're a liar. Second....even if you did know someone.....who cares?????


Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

I heard pot works for them-it worked for Arnold!

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

Aztec, Who is naive? Do you mean to tell me you or Fisher would take a player without seeing/meeting with him? Would you take a job without interview or meeting your prospective boss or knowing about the company benefits? OK, today's job market is bad. But, I won't blame the kid for wanting to check out KU, meet the coaching staff & players before telling Fisher adios. Besides, Fisher knew or should have known Kevin's decommit was a possibility with the assistant who recruited the kid left SDSU. Again, who is naive?

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Aztec, you may want to find some people "on the inside" of the English department.

And, by the way, we ARE better than just about everyone else - when it comes to basketball, which is what we are talking about here. Why do you think we have a greater following than SDSU? As of 2010, the population of San Diego was approximately 1,300,000 compared to about 87,000 for Lawrence. Hmmmm. Things aren't adding up here Aztec. Maybe we have a greater following because:

Our first coach INVENTED the game Five National Championships Fifty-Four Conference Championships The most All-Americans in Div 1 history on and on and on

But Kansas fans are gracious and give credit where credit is due. Congratulations on your four hard fought Conference Championships and for that one year that you finished in the AP Top 25. (clap clap clap)

djhawk75 9 years, 10 months ago

If people in the SDSU athletic department were aware of some "unofficial" process, then they probably should have done something to keep it from happening. Now that this "process" is done, Fisher is just whining. (Just my two cents: conservatives whine just as well as liberals, and even better on some days.)

And as for the blase attitude about the "KU mystique," it is a nationally--not regionally--accepted fact that KU has one of the finest college basketball programs in the country. So it is something special and, dare I say, better than most other programs. IF SDSU's basketball program were of the same caliber the people of southern California, and perhaps other places, would be more eager to follow SDSU basketball. Instead we follow San Diego's coastline.

aztec_in_ks 9 years, 10 months ago

The things you do for family !!! huh yeah i must have something wrong with me, i have a broad perspective and not close minded like most of you folk are out here. I can see why people do have serious mental problems out here, with your wife being your sister, your cousin, etc.... Keeping it in the family !!!!

theend 9 years, 10 months ago

You worm.......I'll take Kansas any day over cesspool California. Don't like, worm? Leave.

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

HawksWin (anonymous) says... Now Aztec, you know better. You don't go to someone's house, and curse out the family - even if some family members may not be to your liking. In Kansas, we call it manners. If I may add, San Diego isn't all that - yes I've been to CA. I took many road-trip vacations in CA, and I'll take northern CA hands down. Incest in KS? You need to broaden your perspective my dear - don't you know that happens in the mountains of the Appalachian? You see, Kansans value family & friends, and the Jayhawks are our extended family! Lastly, I worked with a few people from San Diego, and you'd be surprised because they were narrow-minded, egoistical, prejudice & often berated nice people. But I think they had a broad perspective on Kansas because they never moved back.

Tony Bandle 9 years, 10 months ago

Maybe KY wanted to go to Madison Square Garden and Maui...what's SDSU's schedule?

Sorry I missed most of this ridiculous thread today but I spent the day with my 88 year old Father.....maybe some of the rest of you should have done the same with your dads!!

waywardJay 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurferFan- What it all comes down to for me, Who has a reason to lie and who has a track record that would most probably lead TO Lying, because someone IS lying here.

KY - ( I think Kentucky everytime I see it, Will have to De-program. ) BY all accounts a stand-up player who could not sign a LOI, because the NCAA is more outdated than Confederate currency.

Self - By all accounts a respected member of the Coaching fraternity, who has twice been punished for violations in his program ( once before Self signed on the dotted line, and the other time because he brought in a kid who had questionable dealings with a Professional player, and an agent. ) that he has no culpability too.

Fisher - By all accountants a respectable coach who HAS lost seasons due to Chris Webber's taking money while a player under Fisher. No one has implied Fisher lied in knowing about Webber's situation, but no one has come forward really defending Fisher's institutional control either.

What we have, is two individuals who stand together in their stories ( Self and Young ) and the "least" Honest man in appearance hinting at Collusion.

I'm not trying to drag Fisher's name through the Mud here, just pointing out facts. SDSU had no viable hold on Young, Young's commitment was only Financial aid agreements, which can be amended at any time.

Without changing the rules on LOI, Fisher has no real gripe here.... But he does anyway. This is not Kelvin sampson recruiting Eric Gordon out of his Verbal Commitment to Illinois to come to Indiana ( which is STILL LEGAL just not well respected in coaching circles ).

Charles Shirley 9 years, 10 months ago

Wow! I've seen it all. Steve Fisher questioning the actions of the recruit and the actions of Self. Really? Steve Fisher, of all people? I'm moving on, there is nothing to see here. Just a washed up coach that had a chance at Michigan, blew it and it is all down hill now.

Robert Robinson 9 years, 10 months ago

Man this is going to be a wild year. Is it too late to sign victor ortiz?

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Surfer dude & Fish are both whining the wannabe blues. Ya think Oprah has time to listen? Wayward jay hit it on the head, Fish has no gripe and should have just kept quiet. All us posters can say what we like with no repercussions, but his behavior is not beyond reproach. Things like this will follow him for awhile. ANY of these kids can go wherever they want almost at will anymore, and there's nothing left to do but cry or live with it. My ole man used to say "like it or lump it." That's the way it is. Move on Surfer dude.

Dan Cook 9 years, 10 months ago

Possibly I've missed it, but the real story here for SDSU fans is that former Assistant Coach and Recruiting Director Justin Hutson at SDSU left for UNLV in April. He's the one that recruited Kevin Young and he's the overwhelming reason Young committed to SDSU. After losing that connection to SDSU, Young didn't plan on going to SDSU if anything as good or better developed.

It's not unusual at all for a recruit to switch his commitment when the coach that recruits him leaves. That's all that happened here, so the conspiracy theories are way off base.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

I'm amazed at how gracious most of the KU fans on here have been to SDSurferFan, given the content of some of his posts.

Jabs about KU's supposedly shady recruiting, losing to mid-majors, not having as many titles in the last however many years as other powerhouses, and the coup d'etat--a "geographical warfare" classic--talking about going surfing in California as compared to lowly Clinton Lake

He must have some past history of great courtesy and respect, as well as insightful comments and observations, because that is the only explanation I would comprehend for treating this guy who is clearly just flaming out of frustration with such courtesy. And then he still has the cajones to say how he doesn't like KU fans because of their attitudes.


if you are still reading and not out surfing and enjoying the sights and 70 degree weather, a bit of advice. Maybe next time a bit more thought should go into your intentions before coming to a thread to post in anger or frustration. Because regardless of your original reasons, all you have succeeded in doing for those of us who aren't familiar with your apparently respected posting history is making yourself look like a grade-A dick.

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

SD_KU -> Why question a player's character just because he is a transfer? Quite the contrary as he is loaded with talent + character = Jayhawk!

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSurferfan, It looks like you took some beating today, and all I have to say is "what were you thinking?!" You decided to take your colorful surf board & dive right into the Jayhawk Ocean with nets full of sardines where the dolphins, sharks & whales (Jaybate?) roam! And you found some friendly dolphins, a**chewing sharks & got water shooting/ spewing whales to chase your sorry butt out of the ocean. So the next time you decide to dive into - any ocean - be a WISE surfer. Capice?

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

I am pretty excited Self landed Kevin Young for a couple reasons.

Young gives Self an experienced big inside should Withey flounder. Even if freshmen Jamari Traylor and Braedon Anderson can bang some their first seasons, it is reassuring to have some one with some experience on the blocks in case of problems, or injuries inside.

Next, Young, at 6'8 and 215, also looks like a guy who swing to the 3 and guard XTReme Long and Athletics on the perimeter, guys like Deandre Daniels at UConn.

So: Young allows Self to go big at the 3 situationally, and get experienced and mobile at the 4; this is huge for Self's play it any way they want philosophy.

Self has already compared Young to Julian Wright, which suggests Young may be more mobile and explosive at the 4 than Marcus Morris was, though probably not nearly as accomplished and versatile in the beginning as Marcus became. It also may be code for no trey.

The black cloud to this silver lining?

Young seems to see himself as 2/3 player, not as a 4, and might bridle at life on the blocks, especially if he refuses to Hudy up to at least 225.

Self has a history of putting long and athletic guys (LAGs) that view themselves as 3s at the 4, unless they can drain treys at 40% plus. He also has a history of saying such LAGs might play some 3, when KU wants to go big outside, but then rarely playing them there.

BRush exemplified the kind of LAG that gets to be a 3 for Self. He shot 43% from trey, so despite being big and strong enough to go mix it up inside with the bigs, BRush got permanently stationed at the 3.

Wayne Simien, Julian Wright, Marcus Morris, and Mario Little exemplify LAGs that had the mobility for the perimeter game at the 3, but lacked the trifectation rate Self required.

Even Travis Releford has been sent to the 4 part time as a swing man, because Travis has not yet proven himself a better three point shooter than his competition at the 3.

How will Kevin Young adapt to playing mostly 4 for Self...maybe exclusively the 4, if Jeff Withey flames out?

Hopefully, Young will will look back at Simien, Wright and Morris having been in similar positions, having played the 4, and having been drafted high by the L and say, "Hey, if that's what it takes, let's do it."

Or perhaps he will develop a 40% trey gun.

Either way, it looks like we've got someone to put on Deandre Daniels, if/when we run into UConn next.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Steve, let me pass along this little tidbit that helped me get through my sophomore year of high school. I had been in hot pursuit of the head cheerleader who, to this day, still does not know my name or that I even exist. A wise older prophet ( probably 17 or 18 ! ) offered up words that I have never forgotten....." DUDE. Why would you want to be with someone who doesn't want to be with YOU? "

Let him go Steve. Let him go.

Kirk 9 years, 10 months ago

The answer to the 17 yr old's question is: Because you think you can change her mind." Which, of course, is sometimes true.

Persistence can carry the day in dating and recruiting. Cheers to Bill Self!

(Do we REALLY believe this guy de-committed from SDSU before knowing Self would take him?)

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Kirk - good point regarding persistence. Of course, that can also get you a restraining order! lol

Sam Brockert 9 years, 10 months ago

You say "restraining order". I say its my "Official Certificate of Love." LOL

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

... San Diego wins, hands down, as the preferred surfing location...As a kid I spent a summer in SD in the early 60's. The water was clean enough to enjoy then. I wouldn't get in it for anything now-you can float on the scum & trash without a board. And is still like freakin' ice water. Have been all the way to Cabo diving and you freeze your cajones off everywhere on the Pacific side of the US coast. Watersports belong in warm climates guys, not in the ice machine, unless that's your personal "thing". Hard to even find it in the Pacific- tendancy to turn blue & look like a belly button. No malice.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

"Surfing Is Primal, but Not the Ultimate Sport"

Surfing is cloaked in myth, because it is one of the most primal interactions with the dynamics of nature in sport and myth is how we deal with interactions so primal our reason and logic seem not to fully express the awe of the experience.

Bull fighting, bronc riding, and bull riding are right up their in primal dynamics, but they are encounters with wildly unpredictable living creatures.

Surfing is direct interaction with with one of the basic forces of the universe--the gravitational pull of planets, moon and sun--played out through hydrodynamics.

Just as the old science class films used to say, each of us is a bag of seawater. Each person is literally a mobile bag of salt water, sea water that found a way to get up and walk around.

Each person evolved from the sea and so each person is suffused with the sea's legacy and in turn the legacy of the heavenly bodies and in turn, as Carl Sagan said so long ago now--star stuff.

To some this all may sound like spaced out, toked-up surfer mumbo jumbo, but it is quite literally fact. To surf, even if you only just body surf, is to bring your mind up close and personal with gravity waves in water...and to be separated only by you skin--the bag that evolved to make your sea water ambulatory, if you will.

Sailing is similarly captivating, too, because it interfaces an individual with wind and waves, two forces produced by the primary forces of the universe, i.e., light energy's heating of atmosphere triggering wind, plus gravitation triggering waves (note: wind also contributes to the waves themselves). But sailing--other than windsurfing--usually requires a rather large boat interfacing between person, wind and wave, if one is to sail far out to sea, anyway.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

The experience of sailing can be sublime, but only surfing intentionally takes a person inside the curl along the face of the primary force of gravitation as it manifests in seawater. Only surfing pairs down the interface between man and this natural force to a slender board. Only surfing is finally this pure, this stripped away of artifice between person and force. Mobile water bag meets moving gravity wave of water separated only by thin board.

Sky diving, exhilarating as it is, falls a little short in sublimity, because of the need of a plane to get up there first.

Hang gliding comes close, because the glider is minimalist and one must jump into the emptiness of air one cannot even see, one can only feel the movement of, and hopefully catch a sufficient amount of, or perhaps not live to tell about the failure.

But hang gliding is definitely a mobile air bag (our lungs) meeting heated air, so there can be some very deep mythic experience through it.

Still, despite the requirement of atmosphere for life to manifest, and despite our lungs making us mobile air bags, i.e., bags of air that descended from sea creatures that had bags of air in them, we evolved from something much further back than sea creatures with air sacs. We evolved from sea water itself.

So: the only sport that could be more primal than surfing--the act of mobile bags of seawater returning to the sea on boards and trying to catch waves of sea water and hopefully finding a right path along a wave that is itself the gravitational force of the universe manifesting on one planet's seawaters--a more primal sport than surfing has only just had its rudiments imagined and is not yet really conceived of as a sport until now.

To wit, ya heard it here first.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

The only sport that could finally be more primal than surfing waves is humans surfing, or sailing on light energy itself.

Our eyes surfing over movies and TV and surfing the internet only hint at this sport that I suspect lurks quite some time in humanity's future.

We will likely see it manifest first in solar sailing through space. Technology will slowly accrete over time that enables humans to deploy vast parachute like sails that will use the stream of photons away from a star to push the solar sail/parachute away from that star and towards another, while pulling along a space ship through the near zero g void.

But even such solar sailing only hints at the ultimate sport.

The ultimate sport will come when humans master the technique of uploading their consciousnesses into quantum information that is itself a wave of potentiality that can literally be beamed across the universe and sling-shotted around planets, stars and black holes. When the human consciousness can experience both itself and the space it is passing through as patterned light energy then the era of the interstellar surfer can commence. The future mind surfers, if you will, will literally shoot the curling event horizon of black holes coming as close as possible too the light and information abyss, and then slingshotting around and back out of it and return to be collected and be downloaded back into their brains in their own bodies. And like a surfer coming back on shore from a great ride on a monster wave, the mind surfers that surf the gravitational forces of the universe acting on light itself will try to relate their experiences to those less adventuresome and will communicate some, but not the true essence of their experiences.

Damn! I wish I were gonna live that long!

Imagine the first person to hang ten mentally around the event horizon of the black hole that holds the center of our Milky Way together!

Talk about a huge face!

Calling George Greenough, Rincon was once cool, Aussie breaks are less crowded now, but we need you for the ultimate go out, the event horizon at the center of the Milky Way calls you, George!

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Er, uh excuse me.

All fiction. No malice. :-)

tis4tim 9 years, 10 months ago

If Christopher Cross will do a song about it, I'm down. :)

im4indiana 9 years, 10 months ago

Steve Fisher, who is he one to cast stones.....

addlime 9 years, 10 months ago

Jaybate and others- I have to say, I'm pretty amazed at my fellow KU fans here. Kevin Young said himself, “There’s nothing they did wrong or anything that made me change my mind. I just figure this is a bigger stage and a lot more opportunity.” Now think about this KU fans, how did Kevin Young know that this bigger stage and opportunity were an option? He wouldn't de commit from SDSU without some idea that he could get a scholly at KU. He is saying himself that he didn't de commit because of SDSU, so he had to know KU was an option. Come on Jayhawkers, don't be so naive. And don't any of you suddenly call me a troll or tell me I'm not a fan. I read this damn web page like the rest of you every single day and have lived and died with this team for over 25 years.

Kristen Downing 9 years, 10 months ago

I have a question for all you brilliant fans out there. Does anyone know how Self found out Kevin decommited from San Diego State? Did he call Self, did a family member or did a KU person contact him? Just wondering....

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Sounds like the Californie brilliance award is at stake here, so surely a SD poster has the big scoop. Who cares? Maybe chickenlittle fell out of the sky & told him. He's just a kid, maybe not even worth $hit as a player either. Maybe he just wants to get an education? Hello? From the sarcastic comments you've continually made in the past out here, maybe you can find out yourself if the homies can't help.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

add he had to know KU was an option...Ya think it's a mystery that we have available playing time after losing 5 plus starters? Or that is costs less to go to school here than in wonderland, or the kid had tarot cards or a genie? What's the bitch anyway? Fish should've just said good luck & move on instead of point fingers at a coaching staff that dilligently tries to do things the right way & stir up crap like he's never done anything at all that's questionable. Why can't people take HCBS's word on this? I'll tell you why-because there are SD people posting on this site that are crying just like Fish, and others just have to take sides. After all everyone loves a winner, don't they? It's all horse manure & like JB said, you've all been watching way too much CSI & NCIS. As for the 25 yr thing, many posters out here have followed KUBB for over twice that long, so a little more restraint & respect goes alot further than road rage. Just let it go.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

This makes me think of the Bruce Pearl thing at Iowa when he snitched out other coaches for violations. Things surely came back on him, right?

addlime 9 years, 10 months ago

Seriously, you shouldn't post unless you think things through. You say it costs less to go to KU. Are you kidding?!? He's on full scholarship at either school, moron. This isn't road rage, its logical discussion. I'm not saying Self did anything wrong, I'm just saying someone at KU let this kid know that KU was an option. KU is a top program, and just because they lost a lot of starters doesn't mean that they are an option for any kid from any division 1 school. It would be rather presumptuous for a kid with average numbers at Loyola to think he's guaranteed a scholly at an elite, elite program like KU. And NO, KU didn't lose 5 plus starters. There are only 5 starters on a team, and TT or EJ started all year. There is no such thing as 5 plus starters, 5 is the max, MORON! I have plenty of respect for KU bball, as I'm sure do you. What I don't respect is idiots on this post trying to call me out.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Did not you realize that we lost at least 6 guys that start for most any other team in Div 1? What are you thinking? Do you understand that the full price of college life may include taking a date to Montana Mike's for a bite? Do you not know that gas is considerably more exspensive out West? Nothing covers such "costs" except the kids. WTF is the moron? Are you really another SD surfer stradling the fence incognito? Do you have a self concept complexproblem when some one shows criticism which makes you over-react in anger & frustration? If I were still a young dude & had no wisdom in life, I might be looking to dim yours lights pardner, after your little hissy-fit rant (call out?), but experience does count for something. So wise up dude, let it go.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

I've said it before & I'll say it again, "some people have something to say, and some people have to say something." Is appropriate several days weekly on this site & it's not hard to differerentiate the two.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Another "zen" saying I like a lot which pertains to Steve Fisher: A closed mouth gathers no foot.

addlime 9 years, 10 months ago

You're an idiot! Anyone who reads your above post and my response will see that. Please don't act so wise when you are the fool.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

Something that continues to be missed here is that "de-committed" is a meaningless term for Kevin Young. An NCAA athlete can only "de-commit" one time, from the school with which he originally signed a LOI. For Young, that school was LMU, and he never "de-committed", he decided to transfer.

For SDSU, Young never had any kind of binding agreement from which to "de-commit". Knowing that, it's not insane to think that Young, seeing that a big-time, TV-appearance school has been OBVIOUSLY looking for more talented bigs would be aware of that and initiate contact with KU to see if he would fit what they were looking for. At that point, Self would have to make a choice--tell the kid, we can't talk until you officially leave SDSU, which might have been all Young needed to hear to pull the trigger. Or he tells the kid that KU is interested, seeing the writing on the wall that Young wants to leave SDSU but doesn't want to get left in the lurch by leaving and not having a place to go. Either way, I don't think you can classify what happened as SElf "stealing" Young from SDSU, which is what Fisher clearly wants people to believe.

I think what most KU fans are bristling at is this notion (that Fisher decided to spread) that Self went up to Kevin Young and recruited him AWAY from SDSU. I think the scenario above is far more likely. There is also the possibility that Young decided to leave after a certain assistant coach left, figuring that he would find a place to play one way or the other. It seems premature to claim that Young only left because he had a spot waiting at KU.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

Thx for this extremely lucid discussion of the issue. I learned a lot from it.

quill_46 9 years, 10 months ago

All the violations that went on at Michigan and Fisher is talking morals,wow that one takes the cake. SDS was a one year wonder anyway. This year they will suck you watch and see.

Martin Shupert 9 years, 10 months ago

Steve Fisher has always been a whiner and a jerk. We did nothing wrong. This guy probably throws a hissy fit when his shorts bunch up on him. He needs his mommy. I'm wondering if somebody held him while he softly sobbed and told his story to the press. Poor poor man. Did mean Bill Self come steal your recruit? Don't worry Stevey... We'll tell that bad man to leave you alone.

Jeeveshawk 9 years, 10 months ago

I don't think Fischer has two much of a right to be upset. He had one "good" (in my opinion extremely overrated) year and he tries to go after the same recruits KU is shooting for. If KU has a plausable spot and a scholorship for someone they would hardly even think about a program like SDSU.

divingos 9 years, 10 months ago

Self is such a loser. He only cares about winning. He doesn't give a cra[p about his players unless they are winning. Oh, wait a minute, they had the easiest way to the final four in history and blew it again. Loser!!!!!!

Pitthawk34 9 years, 10 months ago

I guess KU is doing something right for you to come on this board and waste your time. Blew it again? Yes basketball is a strange game and anyone can win on a given day. But to say blew it again...lets see a National Championship 3 years ago is not blowing it. The odds of winning the NC would be bad bet in vegas. Thanks for coming on our board though.

jaybate 9 years, 10 months ago

SDSU lurkers increasingly seem a cut below most bottom feeding lurkers.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Really? Since you just came on this site today what have you blown?

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 10 months ago

Maybe it's just due to the fact that I got up at 4:30 this morning - NAH - that was pretty dang funny! I'm still lol'ing (literally) at my desk. Thanks global!

bitteraztec 9 years, 10 months ago

Do Jayhawks eat Crow?

“Around the end of May I talked to (KU assistant) coach (Kurtis) Townsend and let him know I was interested in coming," Young said, "and before he went on he made sure I talked to Coach Fisher at San Diego State. He wanted to make sure they knew I was planning on taking a visit out here. They weren’t real happy about it, but I went ahead and came out here.”

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JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

So this proves what? 1. The implication is that KY reached out to KU, not the other way around. 2. The KU staff had enough respect for the SDSU staff to make sure the kid notified them of his intentions. 3. This happened in MAY

Jayhawks do eat crow if necessary, but no need this time. My advice: don't be bitter and don't be such an Azztec.

Sam Constance 9 years, 10 months ago

Yes, we do eat crow. When it's been served to us. However, I think this order might have your name on it.

I'm curious--do you really think that quote (and subsequent article) support Fisher's temper-tantrum of allegations?

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

They just want to whine to someonelike the Fish, cause no one out there will listen or cares.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Breaking News, this just in:

Countless #'s of you newbie Californie posters have just come on this site since this non-story became huge news to you. No one has any use for the crybabies, so no one at home will respond...I understand, it's the lack of attention syndrome. It's quite similar to the lack of nooky syndrome. It's OK, you can come out of the closet anytime you like, even if you take the Diceman's 25% discount on lubricant.

You can do as you wish, after all you live in the great state of The Kardashians (porn) & Arnold (adultery) & legal (pot) drug dealers: basically, trash with money, even if it is bankrupt. So, the brilliance award goes to... bittera$$tec! He uncovered the big scoop. KY contacted Townsend. May I say on behalf of myself & countless others, no one really shives a git. Go back home to genius land & surf, or snort, or just get back in the friggin' closet. You are no longer (story in the middle of Summer?) copy so please go away. Thanks. No malice intended, just bull hockey!

bitteraztec 9 years, 10 months ago

HaHaHa, I'm not crying. I could care less about someone who never put on an Aztec uniform. We lose recruits every year. I think it is funny that this quote contradicts the posts from the homers above.

And Globaljailbird; how many references to homosexuality did you force into that reply. Wow, do you do that with all of your posts. Are you trying to tell us something.

p.s. I don't live in CA either, so your other nonsense falls flat.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Can't you count? Wah, wah! Maybe don't even have to remove the shoes, just perhaps. Tell you what, just take the scrawney kid back & move on. He can still wear the afro out there as well. No one here cares about it enough for such time wasting. You're another poster that just joined today (came out?), so nothing else to say but please...Go Away...for good.

KUsmoothies 9 years, 10 months ago

Arkansas leading scorer wants to transfer for his sr season? Any idea which school he wants to attend?

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

Hopefully not here - he can't play a lick of defense and is as slow as Christmas. There is a reason he wants out of the run and gun style of Mike Anderson - he's not athletic enough.

JayDocMD 9 years, 10 months ago

Perhaps a little late to the party, but best I can tell there is one issue that hasn't been mentioned yet. To the pos(t)er that claims to be a fan of both KU and SDSU - time for a reality check. It is not possible. You can only have one true love (outside of Utah.) Sure you can have an interest in both teams. You can even root for another team - based on your current locale, a coach/player you like, or the pretty team colors. But that doesn't make that YOUR team.

You need to stop this before someone gets hurt. These things never end well. The late night online messages. The secret videos. Ask yourself this: what happens when some cold rainy day in March, both lovers unexpectedly meet. Does anyone truly win? Even with the one that remains, are you thinking of the one that is gone? Somewhere, an Aztec or a Jayhawk is whispering: "When you close your eyes, Do you dream about me. When you close your big brown eyes, do you dream about me?

Pick one. Quit leading on the other - it's not fair to them. It's not fair to you. Consider this your intervention.

addlime 9 years, 10 months ago

Look, for those of you who haven't read my other posts, let me make myself clear. I don't think Self did anything wrong here. I believe Marchphog88's scenarios are entirely possible. Somehow, KY got word that KU was an option. Only after he informed SDSU that he was not attending, did KU offer him a scholly. (Just for the record, Marchphog88, de commit is the word Self used so I don't understand your need to clarify that KY wasn't bound by his financial aid offer. That is obvious by the fact that he left without penalty) All this being said, I agree entirely that Fisher is being a whiner and misleading. To insinuate that he passed on other big time recruits while only having 9 players under scholarship is pathetic. All it did was incite the SDSU fan base to bitch and moan. Oh, and globaljaybird, you're still a fool.

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Call it whatever your not so superior thought process prefers (name calling?), but some people know when to take the Doc's advise. Capice?

addlime 9 years, 10 months ago

I will let it go. You're right about one thing, I shouldn't have resorted to name calling. Just having too much fun. You obviously take this posting very seriously. Bottom line is I want KU to do well every time they take the court, as do you, and I'm in favor of BS doing whatever it takes to put the best team he can on the court. To me, that means sometimes he needs to walk that line, as I think he did in this case.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

Been gone for a couple of days..great news to come back to! Should I leave again?

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

Been gone for a couple of days..great news to come back to! Should I leave again?

Woody Cragg 9 years, 10 months ago

Don't go, and you're welcome to hammer the trolls and the inferent geniuses as well. Seems that we have no shortage of either.

Michael Bratisax 9 years, 10 months ago

wow..even did a double post! Nothing against SDSU but Fisher, couldn't care less.

HawksWin 9 years, 10 months ago

Other papers/writers seem more objective.

Interestingly, your article points out that "Young’s AAU coach, Elvert “Kool-Aid” Perry, is believed to have been influential in the decision behind the switch." Given a 100 players:1 coach/school ratio in the recruiting world, it may be possible that Young's AAU coach Perry told him about KU?

bitteraztec 9 years, 10 months ago

The signs point to Perry brokering the deal between KY and KU prior to any de-commitment. I'll paraphrase another poster. Why would a de-committed player call his old coach to tell him about a recruiting trip? Combine that along with the article that I posted and your second article, and you're probably smart enough to connect the dots.

The first link you posted is older and doesn't add any information.

cajhawk84 9 years, 10 months ago

Huge Jayhawk fan here; born and raised in Kansas but now in California. Reading between the lines..... Possible that KU got wind that Young might be interested if approached. Assistant Townsend checks with him and when Young says that he is, Townsend says to make sure to tell Fisher that he is de-committing. Young keeps options open and SDSU staff finds out about the visit from someone else shortly before he gets on the plane.

I don't blame Fisher for being angry. Kid owed him the courtesy about being upfront earlier in the process. If tables were turned there would be a lot of *&^^ed off KU fans.

I have gone to several games at SDSU. Fun atmosphere and Fisher is a great coach for kids to play for. There has been no hint of scandal at SDSU and I root for them unless they were playing the 'Hawks. Recruiting can be a tough game and when you struggle to recruit at times (SDSU), it can be even tougher.

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