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Saturday, February 13, 2010

Kentucky basketball victories tainted

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Kentucky with its tainted history has registered 2,011 victories to sit atop the college basketball heap. Now North Carolina (1,997) and Kansas (1,993) are neck and neck in an exciting race to the 2,000 level.

As we all know, there are countless, indelible KU-UK-UNC connections. It’s regrettable that KU grad Adolph Rupp factored so heavily in a shady Kentucky march to glory. Kentucky may have hit 2,000 first but KU and UNC will do so more honorably. The Wildcats got there with considerable assistance from cheating and NCAA criminal indifference and oversight.

In his 1931-72 reign at Kentucky, the abrasive Rupp became noted for his ability to disregard and flaunt recruiting legality and remuneration limits for his players. As Ken Johnson, the incomparable KU court historian in Des Moines, points out: “In the 1930s and ’40s, 386 of the Wildcat wins were generated when there was virtually no oversight in college basketball. Transgressions never were penalized. Since then, though, the Kentucky basketball program has continuously been documented as one of the most criminal of all NCAA Division I schools.

“Rupp’s 1952-53 squad was nailed with what amounted to the NCAA’s first death penalty (cancelled season) because of payments to players. It all came to light during an investigation into a point-shaving scandal involving players during the ’49 season.” Kentucky won the NCAA title in ’48, ’49 and ’51 at the height of the horrendous fixing scandals; the NCAA never rescinded a trophy or a single victory.

A judge called Rupp’s UK program the acme of commercialization and overemphasis. He said he found covert subsidization of players, ruthless exploitation of athletes, cribbing at examinations, illegal recruiting, reckless disregard for physical welfare, matriculation of unqualified students and flagrant abuse of the athletic scholarship concept.

Rupp retired, but in 1976 the NCAA said the Wildcat scholarships would be limited for two seasons because of recruiting violations by coach Joe B. Hall’s staff. A handslap; UK won the ’78 NCAA title. In 1985, the Lexington, Ky., Herald Leader broke a story about UK paying players and recruits, documented by 31 former player admissions. Recruit Sam Bowie reportedly was handsomely rewarded.

There were recruiting, ineligibility and payoff scandals during the Eddie Sutton tenure and Eddie had to resign. An assistant was banned from coaching in the NCAA for five years. Boy, did the NCAA get tough on that one!

Historian Ken Johnson offers a kicker on the Kentucky outlawry so often ignored by the NCAA. He says UK periodically has tried to clean house but questions if that will continue.

“ . . . with the history and culture of cheating, there is probable doubt a clean program will continue under the stewardship of John Calipari. It’s hard to overlook the corruption of the athletic department when they sign a basketball coach to the richest per year contract in college hoops within two months of the coach’s second school being stripped of a Final Four appearance by the NCAA.”

Where was Calipari once an assistant? At KU, of course. Yet any barrel can have bad apples, including “alumni” who create programs with notably less honor and dignity than the source of their apprenticeships.

I admire how KU and UNC will reach the 2,000 level a whole lot more.

Comments

Dirk Medema 10 years, 1 month ago

"Kentucky won the NCAA title in ’48, ’49 and ’51 at the height of the horrendous fixing scandals; the NCAA never rescinded a trophy or a single victory."

Good knowledge.

ParisHawk 10 years, 1 month ago

drgnslayr,

Since you have grown up, there is this thing called the World Wide Web with sites like Wikipedia that you can consult before suggesting just any old thing.

You know that KKK stands for "Ku Klux Klan" don't you? So one of the K's is KU: does that mean we have a white supremacist basketball program?

From Wikipedia : "the name was formed by combining the Greek kyklos (κυκλος, circle) with clan." The founders were from Tennessee. Kentucky is not mentioned as prominently as other states such as Oklahoma...uh oh, where does our coach come from ???

To quote you, "any truth here?" Answer : of course not.

Jonathan Briles 10 years, 1 month ago

Geez ParisHawk, get some sleep. No need to snap on someone like that. I'm sure that drgnslayr was only making a joke towards Kentucky calling them a racist school. Everyone knows what the kkk is. Also wikipedia is not exactly a very credible source anymore. If someone truly wanted to they could go there and really make one of the K's stand for kentucky lol.

gongs4ku 10 years, 1 month ago

Good story. It looks like coach Cal fits in at UK, after all.

Ben Kane 10 years, 1 month ago

i'd like to think we are better fans and better people who can simply get by on our own merits and accomplishments without having to bring others down. this type of article, while true, is completely irrellevant to our team, our season, and our school.

Last time I checked this was a kansas site not a bash on other teams not even in a conference site. how truly disappointing.

drewdun 10 years, 1 month ago

The NCAA is a joke when it comes to penalties for "certain favored programs." Just look at the USC/Reggie Bush crap going down the memory hole, seemingly never to be heard of again.

Regarding UK, Jerry Tarkanian has one of the greatest quotes of all times: "the NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it will probably slap another two years' probation on Cleveland State." Priceless.

murph 10 years, 1 month ago

Chuckberry, we spend a lot of time reminding the basketball world that one of "our own" - Adolph Rupp - was the driving force of Kentucky basketball. Therefore, it follows that this story fits very tidily into a "Kansas slant".

Aside from that - get over yourself.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

KY -

I know you are going to be here soon. I warn you in advance that I am up, have had three cups of coffee, feeling nice and rested, and am ready to pile drive you with furious thunder should come here post-hogging.

Lee Eldridge 10 years, 1 month ago

John Calipari is an excellent fit for the Kentucy program. :)

Steve Gantz 10 years, 1 month ago

Chuckberry is right. We're not some up and coming program that has to stretch to be considered in the elite/and/or better than the elite. We have proven ourselves beyond all doubt, both on and off the court, so why try to prove ourselves better than another team?

Jack Wilson 10 years, 1 month ago

Seriously, what is this fixation with Kentucky? Who cares? It does us no good to try to minimize, tear down, or otherwise denegrate a tremendous basketball program. This is just plain stupid. I'm sure, unfortunately, there are some no so pleasant facts about our program ... just like UCLA, NC, Indiana, Duke, and Kentucky. Remember, we got "probation" after 1988.

The fact is, our program speaks for itself. Who wouldn't trade spots with us right now?

MorroRockChalk 10 years, 1 month ago

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. Calipari has given back two final fours for NCAA violations. Can his third be far behind?

WilburNether 10 years, 1 month ago

I would hope that someday the story of UCLA basketball will be told, including the era when the "legendary" John Wooden allegedly fielded the best teams UCLA boosters could buy.

Steve Brown 10 years, 1 month ago

HEM thank you.

People in glass houses should not throw stones, we've had our probation issues.

Our goal as booster group is to do all we can to support a clean program. As stakeholders we get to build an Enron house of cards or a Berkshire.

KU 2,000: I recall reading that Doc Allen said we had by far the best team in country in early 40's but rather than play in the NCAA tourney he disbanded his team and sent the boys off to WWII. So we could have had 3-4 more wins but for Pearl Harbor. He did the right thing. The road to 2,000 is full of lots of twists and turns.

We are not the judge and jury of other programs, if they bend rules, then their day will come.

Though it is funny about the SAT 400 pt. increase. I guess the guy that provides 120 point better scores was on sick leave and the bright alternate was used. .)

End of the day, I"ll let them count their wins during the 1940's before the NCAA oversight committee was on deck if we get to keep our HELMS banners and count our own # of national championships.

Lawson4POY 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky basketball has committed 4 major violations

Kansas basketball has committed 5 major violations

Don't try to pretend that Kansas is in the same morality bracket as North Carolina. Kansas is one of the dirtiest programs in the country.

duanep5ku 10 years, 1 month ago

Wow Lawson4poy did this article hit a nerve?

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

Lawson4POY, you are an idiot. The only recent "major" violation was committed by your current coach (who by the way is doing a great job - enjoy the NIT). Also, I don't believe KU has ever been guilty of paying players.

KUSmurf 10 years, 1 month ago

Sorry Lawson, but when you look at the big picture (the actual violations themself, as well as violations that Kentucky should have had, yet don't), Kansas is pretty spotless compared to Kentucky.

Lawson4POY 10 years, 1 month ago

KU08, don't be upset with me because our coach couldn't win the big one until he got away from your inferior program. He has won as many titles at UNC in the last five years as every Kansas coach combined in the last 50.

Kansas hasn't paid players?

1960- Two year postseason ban for providing players with extra benefits

1972- One year postseason ban for providing players with extra benefits and improper financial aid

1988- One year postseason ban for providing players with airline tickets, transportation, basketball shoes, clothing, payment for work not performed, meals and lodging.

Sounds squeaky clean to me....

Lawson4POY 10 years, 1 month ago

KUsmurf, you should take it up with the NCAA then, because they seem to disagree.

In any case, if you want to delude yourself into thinking that you are far cleaner than Kentucky, fine by me. I'm certainly not defending Kentucky. BUT, you're both dirty as far as I'm concerned, so don't even try to say to group yourself in with Carolina. That is my problem with this article.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey Megatroll (aka Lawson), yea, keep telling yourself that about Roy's titles. The first title he got was with Doherty's recruits and news for ya -- Roy isn't regarded as a great XsOs guy, so you draw the obvious conclusion. His second one was legit since he recruited that team.

Like it or not, KU is and always will be UNC's daddy. End of story.

You're welcome, btw, for Dean Smith. Likewise, we should thank UNC for "loaning" Roy to us. In the end, I still like our chances to beat your baby-blue butts to 2000.

Joe Baker 10 years, 1 month ago

Once again, just like the hillbillies, just when you think the heels of unc have some class, they have to visit the elite of b-ball. They all come to an intelligent board to discuss b-ball. They all need validation for their programs!

Lawson4POY- If we're so "corrupt" why even come to our board? I'm sure there are some KU fans who do the same on the heel board, but really, regain your class. Keep your comments and your allegations to yourself, worry about the NIT and your own failing program. My guess is, if Roy has another losing year, you'll be the first to scream for his firing. At least you didn't hide your true colors.

BTW- It's also funny how you point out that Roy had to leave KU to win a NC. He had all the talent necessary. He just didn't know how to utilize it. He used all his b-ball knowledge gained at KU to benefit your heel program. His reputation as a KU coach and the success he enjoyed at KU is also the reason for most of the recruiting.
Also, you need to take your issue up with history. Unfortunately, unc can thank KU for it's tradition with Dean Smith as a grad of KU and the fact that Roy coached at KU prior to going to heel country. Live with it!!

Mayer is actually paying unc a compliment in this article. You are truly an idiot and the heels can be proud to have a moronic fan such as yourself trolling boards making stupid comments.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

Woody Cragg 10 years, 1 month ago

Dummying up college entrance scores for kids is not like giving a kid a meal. But unless you give every kid on the team a meal, it's an infraction. Knight is right. The NCAA should compensate these kids something even if it's just a small amount to take a date out every now and then. When Larry Brown was here an athlete was provided a plane ticket to see a terminally ill relative. None the less, an infraction. History is gone, we can't change it. But it's starting to smell like UK has the same old Calimari. If the NCAA gave a crap about any of this, they would ante-up for the student athlete and throw Calimari under the bus asap before he (or his staff) cheats alot of other quality institutions and some really deserving kids out of their chance to dance. In his case, history has been quite repetitious. At least coach Knight has nertz enough to call it out and say it's time for him to go. I agree. RCJH!

abrandt 10 years, 1 month ago

So, Lawson, are you so naive to think that Frank McGuire never, ever, incentivized all of those New York kids to come all of that way to play for dear old UNC? Right!

Oh, and FYI, the 1988 transgression occurred on Larry's watch, who, I believe, was a UNC alum. Give me a break!

duanep5ku 10 years, 1 month ago

Oh' wait whats worse then a UK troll on here that would be a North Carolina Troll, considering you're great season you would think you would be the last one who would want to come on here to talk trash. but then I guess you have nothing else better to do this year. Lawson you do know that Roy himself had a minor in fraction's here at KU before he left us. So you're Roy is not squeaky clean himself'. "Oh KU history is just as good as anybody's maybe that is why were only a few wins behind you and we do not have an NIT in our future plans'. Ouch if your that lucky

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

1960 ban: Major violations were committed by the football program and stupid alumni, not KU basketball.

1972 ban: Major violations were once again committed by the football program, not KU basketball.

1988 ban: Purchased a plane-ticket home for a prospect to see his dying grandma. The prospect never played a second for KU.

I know these are excuses and still represent scars on our otherwise fantastic history, but you should do just a little more research before posting your dumb comments. As others have said on this board, not all major violations are equal. Now, stop trolling the KU boards and go purchase your NIT ticket already.

Joe Baker 10 years, 1 month ago

In July 2005, KU released a report stating that they had violated an NCAA extra benefit rule during Williams' tenure.[25] KU opted against self-imposing penalties.[26] However, in 2006, the NCAA, after conducting its own investigation, decided to impose penalties. In reaching its decision, the NCAA noted that two boosters, one since 1988, had provided graduation gifts to outgoing basketball players with the knowledge of Williams.[27] Gene Marsh, chair of the infractions committee, said there was no thought of now penalizing former KU coach Roy Williams for approving small cash gifts to graduating seniors.[28]- Wikipedia

Uh oh Lawson4POY- You better start looking into Ol' Roy now. My guess is he has provided and will provide gifts to his players. Wow! I wonder what gift Barnes has or will receive? Now, Your crap all of sudden may stink more than you realize in heel country! In fact, my guess is like Calasleazy, he's done it again and again. Roy can be a good guy and he's done some good, but he stinks more and more. I resent him for this little bit of history and the fact that he didn't have the coaching ability to win the NC 2-3 times he went to the Final Four. No- Roy isn't the coach many want to believe that he is. Oh and tell Roy thanks for nothing but a good ol' violation after he left! Good luck Lawson4POY with Ol' Roy.

utahjayhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Now KU Faithful, let's not come down too hard on 'Ol Roy. Honestly, he gave us good times and reestablished KU basketball as a truly elite program over the past 25 years. Everything worked out for the best and, of course, NONE of us would trade Bill for Roy now at any cost.

With that said, Lawson, your posts here remind me of that fateful day (4/5/08) when Hansborough weakly went up for a shot (body spasing, arms flailing) and he got summarily rejected by Cole and Shady (on different attempts). By way of perfect analogy, you're now getting a complete history lesson, courtesy of truehawk/ralster (great research). Lesson for you........don't come in on our board with your weak game or you're going to find your post in the third row!!

Jack Wilson 10 years, 1 month ago

Unfortunately, what Lawson4POY is recognizing is that every program has some glitches. The fact is, Kentucky, KU, UNC and toss Indiana in there have been great since college hoops began. UCLA and Duke were late comers, but great programs. It is absolutely a stupid debate. And those that want to argue our "perfection" demonstrate to all their ignorance. It's like arguing over which is the better car, a Ferrari or Lambourgini. We just know we're each better than than the Chevy, Toyota, or Nissan. It's a different conversation.

Equally stupid is trying to bash Roy. Roy got us to four final fours in appx. 15 seasons. Once you get there, really anyone can win. He didn't choke, just like he didn't choke when KU beat UNC in 08. One great coach had to lose that game. His boys got off to a bad start that game but had the character (built by their coach) to battle back and scare us late. Just like our teams under Roy. Roy got over the hump at UNC and has two rings. We should be proud that the KU tree has produced such success.

I have mentioned this before .. would you take a ring this year for a 13-11 start next year? I would. No question. UNC will be a top 10 team next year. We know that. Would you count them out of the 2010-11 Final Four debate? Doubt it.

truehawk93: You said "Oh and tell Roy thanks for nothing but a good ol' violation after he left!" I don't know you or your intentions. But that comment is the absolute height of idiocy. Think about that. I assume by the "93" in your moniker that you were sitting in a bar, on campus, watching the Hawks in the final four in '93 just like you did in '91 and just like I did both years (if you were born in '93, sorry; but at least that would explain your comment). And I was always darn proud of our program under Roy. We had a few minor issues .. J.R., etc. But nothing in life is absolutely perfect. It is just beyond me how any Jayhawk can make a statement like you made.

Proud to be in the group of elite programs, proud to have had Roy as a Jayhawk, and proud to have Coach Self as a Jayhawk!

chanel 10 years, 1 month ago

After reading all these comments about bigblue nation, it is comforting to know that UK holds every means of cheating and corruption that exist just to win games. It's amazing how everyone else stays so clean. The fact is that Marcus Camby is the one who cheated at UMass and Coach Cal did not give the test to Rose at Memphis. It was taken in Chicago, and Rose was cleared by the NCAA clearing house to play. Back to Camby, Coach is the one who turned Camby in when he found the infraction. So all you bigblue bashers get the facts before you post comments. Jealousy is a terrible thing. Coach Rupp once said he was prejudice to black atheletes or any color if they could not play baskerball. So to say he didn't like blacks is false. Rupp knew the dangers of taken a black athelete in the south to play ball. Payne was his first black recruit There were times that he did know if he was going to get Payne out of the opposing gyms without injury. He had numerous threats on his life. So get the facts.

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

HEM, I agree with most of what you said, and I want to clarify that I still like Roy. He made me a fan of the Jayhawks while everyone else in my family rooted for the Tigers. That's a big accomplishment in my world. My reason (and probably everyone's, at least on this board) for including Roy is that I find it ironic that a UNC fan lambasts KU for violations, some of which occurred under UNC's current head coach. You've got to admit that's pretty funny. In the end, though, no one's perfect, and we should all be happy with our prolonged success.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 1 month ago

Ralster-- #2, You go girl!!!!!!!

Kind of gettin' chippy here, uhh?

In an earlier post, I agree with Chuckberry32. All I know, is Kentucky has had some dirty dealings and at times, have swept all the dirty work under the rug. When there has been violations at KU, I am proud to say it has been taking care of. Indiana has taken care of the crap that happened there but as seen by their record, it has taken some time to get where they want to go--to become another top-level team. The movie, "Glory Road," really put it all in perspective, as far as, Rupp at Kentucky, being disrespectful and all. His hatred for African-Americans were well documented. The way to put this all to rest is to win with integrity and not cheat. I truly believe in my heart that KU will win with integrity and make the University proud. We have cheaters when folks file their taxes, we have cheaters involving food stamps and well-fare and unfortunately, we have cheaters in college basketball. Kentucky to me, stands out the most. Someone said that KU's program speaks for itself. I hope Bill Self has something to do with that. Coach Cal, your record speaks for itself. Enough said!!!!!!

btkgmrk 10 years, 1 month ago

Jealousy brings out the evil in everyone. If UK had 1910 wins instead of 2010 not a word would be said.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 1 month ago

drgnslayr-- Thanks for the history lesson and the link! I really enjoyed the movie but you added more little tidbits. Jayhawks have to wonder that if Jo Jo White wasn't on that out of bounds line (supposely), that the Western Texas/Kentucky game would not have happened.

I guess I hadn't heard that Coach Haskins had passed away. I knew he had heart problems. Haskins got the Jahawks again when Texas-El Paso beat a Roy Williams-led team in the Big Dance, right?

drgnslayr, it's your posts, along with jaybate, ralster, chuckberry32 and others, that make my day go fast with good reads---thanks a bunch!

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

LOL @ this "article"

1989 - Kansas is banned from playing in the postseason and is placed on 3 years probation for giving players illegal benefits (cash payments, plane tickets, etc) ...

Some of these illegal benefits were distributed during Kansas' 1988 National Championship season - however, no wins from the '88 season were stripped, and KU was allowed to keep its NC title.

LOL @ anyone who thinks Kansas runs a clean program.

Kansas' basketball team was on probation just last year for an academic scandal - which occurred during Williams' and Self's tenure. After leaving for a more prestigious job at North Carolina, Williams later admitted he knew it was happening and did nothing about it.

Bottom line is KU fans feel the need to tell themselves that Kentucky isn't legit because they are jealous of Kentucky's success. That's all there is to it.

Kansas only has 3 NCAA titles - by comparison, that is only one more title than non-elite programs such as San Francisco, Florida, Oklahoma State have, all with two NCAA titles.

I guess that's why Kansas hangs mythical Helms Foundation banners?

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

LOL @ people calling Kentucky fans "hillbillies" and "rednecks"

YOU'RE IN KANSAS - WAKE UP IDIOTS.

jhokfan 10 years, 1 month ago

To all the outsiders who feel compelled to read and comment about KU basketball, thank you. Your jealousy and insecurity is flattering.

Feel free to visit again.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

chanel,

Explain to me why every Ketucky fan goes to great lengths to defend Johnny the Squid in his pre-Kentucky days?

I really could care less about the basis of your argument behind the defense of his squeaky-clean image. I just want to know how it feels when your coach recruits and markets the Kentucky program blatantly by telling folks that he has a great track record of developing NBA one and done types. As of right now none of those kids went to Kentucky. One thing holds true with Johnny the Squid. In any interview you are guaranteed to hear him mention Rose, Evans, and NBA. Hell, he invites NBA players with NO ties to sit courtside at Rupp. Do you really think that he is going to stay for any amount of time in Lexington? Cal will coach Lebron one day. In fact, I would love to see what he could do with Keith Langford. That would be cool.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"he invites NBA players with NO ties to sit courtside at Rupp."

You have no idea what you are talking about.

UK is coming out with new uniforms tonight, made by LeBron's clothing line.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Right. I really liked the CUKY part of that. Brilliant. Wall the NBA. What a great Kentucky legacy. Kids was signed and delivered to Memphis. It has nothing to do with your program, fool.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"To all the outsiders who feel compelled to read and comment about KU basketball, thank you. Your jealousy and insecurity is flattering."

LOL @ this.

You are a complete idiot. This is an article, written by a Kansas hack ABOUT KENTUCKY.

Yes, Kentucky fans read articles about Kentucky basketball.

However, you'll never find a journalist in Kentucky writing anything about Kansas basketball, because we don't care.

UK = More wins, more titles.

Kentucky has nothing to prove Kansas, whereas Kansas fans clearly feel inferior to UK and need to write articles like this one to make their modest success look better by comparison.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"Right. I really liked the CUKY part of that. Brilliant. Wall the NBA. What a great Kentucky legacy. Kids was signed and delivered to Memphis. It has nothing to do with your program, fool."

There isn't a single comprehensible sentence in this entire post.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"Anyone notice how fishy/innapropriate John Wall's "friendship" with Lebron James is? Isn't something similar with Dez Bryant and Deion Sanders what got Bryant benched by the NCAA?"

You don't know anything about their relationship.

Nor do you know anything about the Bryant-Sanders situation.

Shutup fool.

Mike Kendall 10 years, 1 month ago

John Wall, John C. and the rest of Kentucky better be on their best behavior because everyone is looking at them with a microscope. With John C.'s past and John Wall's visibility, they are easy targets.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Sweet. Let's just call each other dummies.

Check this out (also blogged on kentuckysports.com - where you should be, dawg)

http://ballhype.com/story/uni-fail-nike-misspells-kentucky-on-john-walls-jersey/

Get it CU - KY? See you Kentucky. Buh-bye. Both Wall and Cal.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB,

Can people from Kentucky even spell Kentucky?

Joe Baker 10 years, 1 month ago

HEM- I thought about it. I'll respect your comments and opinion just for being a fellow Hawk. You're right, you don't know me at all. However, I too was proud of Ol' Roy and maybe some of what I said was said in "bitterness." I'm not defending anything I said in response to your comment. I will always be disappointed in a coach that had so much, yet he failed! You think about what you said. Please read my entry again. Roy did some good at KU and for that I will be somewhat greatful. However, to bail when the university "bent over backwards" for you and you were on the verge of winning a NC at a program you took so many times to the Final Four, is the height of "idiocy" as you put it so eloquently. And, Mayer was actually complimenting UNC.

The height of idiocy is how anyone can call a fellow alumni/fan an idiot. I'll never understand how a hillbilly or a heel can make any comments on a board about a team when they obviously don't know any facts about their claims. I would never be so presumptuous to comment on any board, regardless of my "opinion" or feelings about another team, right or wrong. Frankly, I don't care about the programs mentioned. Lastly, I agree. There are no perfect programs, but I sure as heck won't go make idiodic statements on other boards either. It's called respect and class!!

Rock Chalk Beat ISU

400 and one more toward the NC (or is this the height of idiocy HEM? lol)

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

Yes, there are rednecks in Kentucky - there are red necks in every state.

It's just laughable that a Kansas fans would try and put down Kentucky as such when Kansas is an even more rural state.

The way you guys throw around the "redneck" and "hillbilly" insults would lead one to think the University of Kansas was located in New York City.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"Can people from Kentucky even spell Kentucky? "

Considering I've already done it 10 times for you, you should reexamine your powers of observation, or lack thereof.

Further, was that suppose to be funny? I'm guessing you are either under the age of 12 or over the age of 50.

On a side note: Is Kansas still teaching intelligent design in public schools?

LOL!

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"we don't spend time on other schools websites and try to pick fights. "

Oh the irony.

Do you all not realize that the only reason UK fans are on here today is because this hack of a journalist wrote a completely hypocritical article about Kentucky?

Kentucky fans didn't come to this website to pick a fight - get real.

This article is being passed around the UK blogs and that's where I found out about it.

Again, no Kentucky journalist would ever write such an article about Kansas, because we have nothing to prove to Kansas. We have more wins, more titles, more legacy.

However, this KU journalist was feeling inferior and wrote an article about Kentucky - not the other way around - get it straight.

Joe Baker 10 years, 1 month ago

drgnslayr (anonymous) says... Now I'm off for the game! My first attended game this year...

slayr- Have fun at the game! I'm real curious to see if Mc Morris starts or if TRob, Mk or Withey will start in his place. I hear he has the bandage on the finger. I hope he doesn't compound his injury for this game. We need him down the stretch.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"Take a look at any poll about Kansas basketball done by ESPN. Recently, there was one that asked if people thought Kansas would go undefeated, and 49 of 50 states said yes. The state that said no? Kentucky. A 92% "no" vote."

Do you realize you sound like a complete idiot?

You are trying to argue against UK fans - saying we aren't knowledgeable - but guess what?

Kentucky was the only state that got it right. Kansas did not go undefeated.

Please, keep trying to insult UK by explaining all the things we have gotten right.

LOL!!!

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB,

That's more like it. Neither Kansas or Kentucky will ever be the cosmopolitan captial. Have you ever been on this site before? There are some damned creative people that post here. Now, I can appreciate your enthusiasm to defend your program. That said there will be a couple top ten lists with Kentucky "redneck" or hillbilly" themes generated from your posts. Just Sayin'

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"That said there will be a couple top ten lists with Kentucky "redneck" or hillbilly" themes generated from your posts. Just Sayin'"

Considering all I have done today is make Kansas fans looks like idiots, I'm not worried about it.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

OK - but will you be here when Kentucky is playing? Our live game blog rocks. Can I get you a KU jersey? I will trade you for one of these, and we can be buddies:

http://www.ukteamshop.com/wildcats/product.php?productid=3666&cat=0&page=1

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB-

Calapari inviting NBA players to sit courtside at games, technically may not be breaking any rules, but come on, how sleazy is that!? Calapari builds relationships with high profile NBA players for the sole purpose of luring recruits. Just another cheap ploy by the country's sleaziest coach. Enjoy the wins you get now, 'cause you won't be keeping them for long.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"I just don't understand why you all hate us so much?"

Kansas isn't even in the top 5 "most hated" for UK fans. Probably not top 10.

I'm sure the poll could have been reversed and Kansas would pick UK to lose again.

Again, none of you seem to be aware that it was a Kansas journalist that wrote this article about Kentucky - provoking all of this.

You'll never see a UK journalist write such hypocritical trash about Kansas.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

"Calapari inviting NBA players to sit courtside at games, technically may not be breaking any rules, but come on, how sleazy is that!?"

Honest question: are you retarded?

How many times has an NBA player attended at KU game? Hundreds?

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB, you are correct that you'll never read anything from Kentucky (or anywhere for that matter) about KU's tainted victories. That's because no one would be stupid enough to make such a claim. Many, not just from Kansas, have made that claim about Kentucky. Maybe it's unfair, but you're obviously very sensitive about this issue and have had this discussion before. In the back of your mind, you know there's some truth to the allegations.

By the way, you can't come in here saying stuff about Kentucky not caring about Kansas, more wins, more championships, blah blah blah and then also say you have to defend the pride of Kentucky over one measly journalist's column. Just go away and enjoy GameDay. I can't wait until this argument is settled in March or April.

KansasHangsFakeBanners 10 years, 1 month ago

Alright guys - its been fun, but it's time to head downtown and get ready for the game.

Look for me on TV - I'll have a "Bill Mayer sucks Jaycock" sign.

Chad Hallack 10 years, 1 month ago

"The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky, it will probably slap another two years' probation on Cleveland State..." Jerry Tarkanian 1989

enough said...

Joe Baker 10 years, 1 month ago

Dynamite- Trade for one of those "We're back on top, #1" shirts. Now that's genius! I'd like to meet the person who designed that shirt. That was the most interesting sports idea ever.

BTW- I wonder how those are selling? I bet they're blowing off the shelves.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

I would take Mayer over Tipton any day.

Joe Baker 10 years, 1 month ago

KansasHangsFakeBanners (anonymous) says... Alright guys - its been fun, but it's time to head downtown and get ready for the game.

Look for me on TV - I'll have a "Bill Mayer sucks Jaycock" sign.

KHFB- Be careful you might be eating that sign when your game is over!

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB-

Really, I struck such a nerve with you that you throw a word like retarded out there? Just another example of Kentucky people showing their true colors. Very classy! And yes, we do have many NBA players attend our games...FORMER PLAYERS! What did Lebron have to do with UK befor this year? You can't honestly believe that Calapari didn't instigate that relationship with Lebron! We all know what kind of impression that will make on recruits when they're sitting in the stands at a game and they look over and see Lebron. Again, just another cheap ploy.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Have fun at the game KHFB. Should be a good test. Would hate to see Ketucky lose during such a high profile game. And remember next time that when you mess with our board, the dyn-o-mite will go boom. See you then.

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Seriously, you try to have an adult debate with these Kentucky fans and they make you feel like you're arguing with a 3rd grader. Hold on, I think I remember how to respond to that retarded comment...I know you are but what am I!

JayhawkCasey 10 years, 1 month ago

Did Parishawk use wikipedia as a valid reseach tool. I can go on there and write whatever I want and say it is fact. Try another source if you are going to call someone out!

Mike Kendall 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB---

1--You're on your way to the game so, you probably won't be able to read what I have to say: Bob Knight has already made his case against your cheatin' coach.
2--Bill Mayer may be old, but he has a high basketball IQ, unlike you. Have a little respect. 3--What would your response be if Tennessee would happen to win this game? It's a real good possibility--justice served--just like the Hawks in '08 when we beat your future cheatin' coach!!! 4---Ashley Judd can suck my_____Well, you get the picture!

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 1 month ago

So this morning ESPN reports that John Wall has the highest GPA on the Kentucky team. Seriously?

Woody Cragg 10 years, 1 month ago

                  KHFB- Moses Malone was a real impact when going from the playground to the NBA. Wall could likely have done it also with more physical maturity. But the boys club has this rule that they can no longer do this, so guys like Rose & others have no choice except to take the back door to college. The NCAA is great with this because they get big bucks out of the deal & don't have to pay the kid superstars one friggin dime. Hell they're not about to blow the whistle on this when they would be cutting their own revenue. Think about it? They would much rather penalize a program for giving a player a decent meal or a plane ticket to visit a dying loved one. Makes them look like they're really on top of the situation while they're lookin the other way on entrance exams. Don't tell me Calipari had no idea these kids could barely read & write. Tons of NCAA athletes can barely even speak in front of a microphone. When you hear them you know full well they won't be getting a degree all by their lonesome. It doesn't mean that they should be denied the chance, but obviously they must have some self discipline & desire to do it. After the Iran/contra affair Regan was suddenly diagnosed with Alzheimers and said  "I don't remember."  Anyone can say they know nothing and get away with it. The NCAA will only blow the whistle on this guy when a third party gets enough dirt out there and makes it public & documented. But it is going to happen sooner or later because there are too many of his peers that don't like the way he operates. Trust me, it will happen. RCJH! 2000 at Mizzeree!

Chad Hallack 10 years, 1 month ago

KHFB... You sure think you're slick, you love you some you... but let me break it down for you real quick! The simple fact of the matter is that regardless of who would write this article or where the writer is from... it's all true and then some.

So, you can take your pethetic attemps at self-justification and your lame-ass, sophmoric "HUH UH... YOU ARE!!!" comebacks to your little game against the only other legit team in your second-rate basketball conference and stop wasting our time.

Tennessee may as well just go ahead and win, cause it won't matter a year or two down the line when none of your wins this season count. (pssst... there's a reason no name big name school had ever gotten close to touching Calipari, until you fools got desperate after 5 years of utter mediocrity) Tool....

Woody Cragg 10 years, 1 month ago

More like dueling with an unarmed man..or woman.

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago

Lawson4POY,

I have two words for you about UNC corruption: Frank McGuire.

Read his history.

Learn it.

Remember it.

Then you will know why Dean got the job, why he had to clean that spitoon of a program up, and then had to integrate it.

ukfan9698 10 years, 1 month ago

For all the Calipari haters- the two instances that lost his schools final fours

1.Marcus Camby accepting cash benefits from an up and coming agent...You think cal okayed that. I am sure he was like Marcus, yeah that's a good Idea take his money we won't get in any trouble.

  1. Derrick Rose- The NCAA clearinghouse cleared him to play ball. What coach in the nation would deny letting rose play after he was cleared.

CHEERS TO THE 2010 NCAA Champs UK WILDCATS

BCRavenJHawkfan 10 years, 1 month ago

globaljaybird: No they did not say. But you just have to ask yourself, what could the GPA's on that team be? Not even a walkon with a higher GPA, like Christian Moody?

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

I respect Kentucky fans. They love their program. Can't knock that.

Calipari (I really like Johnny the Squid) probably will not get caught doing anything wrong at Kentucky because he has benefitted more from the one and done rule than any other coach, and because he gets to recruit at Kentucky which does draw more interest than Memphis. He is the best at getting guys to the NBA. That is his schtick above the history, glory, and whatever else Kentucky fans bask in. But that is the common theme in each stop. NBA. NBA. NBA. Cal was a bad hire, not because he will get their program in trouble, but because he is going to jump to the NBA at the first chance he gets. He was blackballed from the NBA after his Nets disaster. Just listen to him speak. Since then he has worked his tail off to associate himself with the NBA on any level. NBA. NBA. NBA. He wrote a book named Bounce Back. It should have been Bounce Back to the NBA.

Larry Smith 10 years, 1 month ago

I know that someone above mentioned it, but UCLA was the worst. As Jaybate would say.......

Sam Gilbert

Read his history.

Learn it.

Remember it.

It's funny how UCLA, during the Wooden era, never had to endure the scrutiny that other successful programs did.

Chad Hallack 10 years, 1 month ago

ukfan9698... you said:

"For all the Calipari haters- the two instances that lost his schools final fours"

Good Gad Man!!! They were the ONLY two instances he's been to the final four!

Couple of interesting half truths you told there. Rose for one, would have been ruled ineligible and they would have had to forfeit the season even if he hadn't cheated on his SAT. His brother, Reggie, was allowed to travel with the team at no cost. Big no no! You gonna try to tell me Calipari didn't know that this guy was on the same team flight or bus that he was however many umpteen times!???

You people are ridiculous and desperate. Calipari will destroy you and you're gonna blindly love every minute of it until the sanctions hit, and then... "Oh my God! We just had to forfeit ourselves back under 2000 wins?" "Calipari was a cheater!!!?" "I had NO idea!"

I've lost IQ points reading the uk posts in here this afternoon. Go away...

Mike Kendall 10 years, 1 month ago

ukfan9698---- "Cheers to the 2010 ncaa champs uk wildcats."

Are you counting your little kitty kats before they're born?????? Hate to see you get bounced out of the Big Dance. There are teams that can beat you on any given night. That's what makes March Madness so grand! It is great to see little teams beat the snot out of big cocky teams like Kentucky!

Dan Harris 10 years, 1 month ago

It cracks me up to see all these hillbilly dumb asses come on our site spouting their hillbilly BS! To steal from LA you all can SUCK IT!

ukfan9698 10 years, 1 month ago

I live in indianapolis, im a non-hillbilly w/ a bachelor's degree. That was for JHAWKdan. Judging by the maturity of your comment I doubt you meet those qualifacations. I just love my program. This article was on my UK blog I check daily, and i just thought I would jump in on the fun. . Plus, there are hillbillies in kansas too Todo.

Mr. Hallacek I was just citing the instances as to why the final four was vacated. He was cleared, so he played.

Toxic 10 years, 1 month ago

Kansas aka the dirtiest program in the history of college basketball has the nerve to call someone else dirty? This is very funny. Last time I checked KU got busted about the same time Eddie Sutton got UK into trouble. How many times has Kansas been in trouble since then? Two? Didn't Kansas just get off of probation this year even? Maybe Kansas should try to make it through a decade without getting into trouble before they call someone else dirty?

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey Kentucky guys speaking of getting dirty - come on over to the live blog, turn your black and white TV's on ESPNU, and watch number one do it's thing.

KentuckyRifle 10 years, 1 month ago

You, Sir, are a jerk. And a Kansas fan with an inferiority complex. First, let's discuss KU's pristine basketball heritage. Other posters have noted the numerous times KU's basketball program has been placed on NCAA probation. Apparently, however, everyone has forgotten the Danny Manning scandal. Remember? Let me refresh the JayHawk memory. Danny Manning was a stud high school basketball player in NORTH CAROLINA who was on his way to an ACC school. But then Kansas coach Larry Brown offered an assistant coach's job to Ed Manning, Danny's papa, who at the time was working as a TRUCK DRIVER in North Carolina. Shockingly, Danny Manning subsequently announced he was signing with KU, and he subsequently led the JayHawks to a national title in 1988. In Kentucky, we call that CHEATING. In fact, Larry Brown's hiring of Ed Manning started a wave of "hire the kid's dad, sign the kid" in college basketball. BTW, in Kentucky we also call this a PAYOFF. Kentucky, North Carolina and other schools have all had bouts with the NCAA. Most of these incidents were booster-related, beyond the coach's control. But no school cheats as much as Kansas. Every game that Danny Manning played in should be vacated as "tainted." (BTW, the Manning incident is a little more recent than a 1940s point-shaving scandal which, if I'm not mistaken, means that Kentucky players put their own team at a disadvantage). Finally, as to Coach Calipari. It is true that his two of his Final Four appearances have been vacated. But why? B/c he cheated? No. In 1996, Marcus Camby, unbeknownest to Calipari, signed a secret contract with an agent before the season ended, which made him ineligible. How did Cal "cheat"? Second, Derrick Rose, WHO WAS CLEARED TO PLAY BY THE NCAA CLEARINGHOUSE, was later found to have a questionable SAT score. I repeat, the NCAA declared him "academically eligible" to play basketball at Memphis. As Dick Vitale commented, "Would any coach in America NOT play Derrick Rose after the NCAA cleared him to play?" Bill Self would have played Derrick Rose 40 minutes a game. Coach Calipari was NEVER implicated in either of these cases, and has never been found in violation of NCAA rules. So, please, if you are looking for a "cheating basketball program," go to the Fog House.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Institution: University of Kansas Date: October 12, 2006

Violation Sumary: Violations in the men's basketball regarding impermissible inducements and benefits involving representatives of the university's athletics interests. Violations also occurred in the football program regarding academic fraud involving two former graduate assistant football coaches and impermissible inducements to prospective two-year college transfers.

Penalty Summary: Additional penalties imposed by the committee were: public reprimand and censure; three years of probation ( the institution has self-imposed a two-year period of probation); reduction in the total of grants-in-aid award in the men's basketball program to no more than 12 during the 2007-08 and 2008-09 seasons; also reduced the total of official paid visits by a total of eight from the maximum number allowed during the 2006-07 and 2007-8 academic years; a show cause provision placed on a former graduate assistant coach for a period of three years; dissociation of a representative of the university's athletics interest for a period of four years; annual compliance reporting required.

Reports

Public Report

Involved Sports: Men's Basketball, Football

Involved Penalties: Television: 0 yrs Reduction in Financial Aid: Yes Postseason: 0 yrs Recruiting: No Probation: 3 yrs Show Cause Action: Yes


Date: November 1, 1988

Violation Sumary: IMPERMISSIBLE RECRUITING: airline ticket provided by athletics representative; local automobile transportation provided by coaches; loan, local automobile transportation and clothing provided by athletics representatives; payment for work not performed; head coach provided cash for an airline ticket; lodging on a credit basis; basketball shoes; impermissible involvement of an athletics representative in off-campus recruiting; meals; assistance in purchasing an airline ticket; entertainment during official visit more than 30 miles from campus. ERRONEOUS CERTIFICATION OF COMPLIANCE. LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL. REPEAT VIOLATOR.

Penalty Summary: Public reprimand; no official visits from 1/1/89 to 12/31/89; reduction by one grant for 1989-90; annual reports; recertification; disassociation of athletics representative.

Public Report

Involved Sports: Men's Basketball

Involved Penalties: Television: 0 yrs Reduction in Financial Aid: Yes Postseason: 1 yrs Recruiting: Yes Probation: 3 yrs Show Cause Action: No

KentuckyRifle 10 years, 1 month ago

More on Danny Manning. A quick Google search revealed a bounty of news about the pristine Kansas basketball program. How Danny Manning admitted to receiving "loans" from other players. How Kansas tried to pay Memphis State all-american Vincet Askew cash to transfer to Kansas in the Manning era. But, alas, Mr. Mayer tells us that Kansas can be proud of it's tradition, unlike that scofflaw Kentucky. Hah! What a joke. Is there a single KU fan that is willing to defend the Danny Manning situation? That, defend it with a straight-face? It's a shame that Kansas was the loser in the race to 2000 wins, that KU has fewer national titles and Final Fours than UK, that our cheerleaders are better looking, that we have famous actresses attend our games, etc. But, please, in the future keep the sour grapes private.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Kansas meets with NCAA to discuss rules violations

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Kansas officials met with the NCAA for about seven hours Sunday in an effort to head off penalties harsher than those the Jayhawks have imposed on themselves for rules infractions.

A delegation including football coach Mark Mangino, basketball coach Bill Self, athletic director Lew Perkins and chancellor Robert Hemenway met with the NCAA infractions committee in the Tremont Plaza Hotel in Baltimore, answering 11 charges of wrongdoing.

The school's only public comment was a brief statement by Hemenway praising the committee for providing a fair hearing and saying a decision by the NCAA was expected in five to seven weeks.

Shortly after Perkins succeeded Al Bohl as athletic director two years ago, Kansas began an internal probe of violations that allegedly occurred during 1997-2003. The school self-reported violations involving football and men's and women's basketball, then put itself on probation for two years and reduced scholarships in both football and women's basketball.

After conducting its own investigation, the NCAA added the potentially serious charge of lack of institutional control during that six-year period. Also worrisome to Kansas is the label "academic fraud" the NCAA has put on violations that occurred in the football program.

Potentially, the NCAA could order further scholarship reductions, recruiting restrictions and a ban on postseason appearances by the football and basketball team.

Link

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

NCAA Cracks Down on Kansas October 13, 2006 The National Collegiate Athletic Association placed the University of Kansas on three years' probation for a series of rules violations, including academic fraud and significant payments to athletes, involving three of its most visible sports teams. The NCAA's Division I Committee on Infractions ratcheted up penalties that the university had imposed on itself last summer, after the NCAA panel concluded that Kansas officials had lacked institutional control over the sports program.

More than a year ago, Kansas officials announced that their own internal review had uncovered evidence, among other things, that a former graduate assistant football coach had given two prospective athletes answers to test questions for correspondence courses they were taking on the university's campus, and that boosters gave gifts to graduating men's basketball players with the knowledge of the university's then head coach, Roy Williams.

Link

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Looks to me like the University Chancellor (and the OFFICIAL KU website) doesn't even agree with this hack "reporter" on the history of Kansas basketball:

"LAWRENCE, Kan. - Below is a statement from University of Kansas Chancellor Dr. Robert Hemenway on Thursday's NCAA decision regarding KU's infractions case:

"By now I assume you have all read the NCAA Committee on Infractions' decision. I want to emphasize what should be very clear: this was a major infractions case. We knew it when we met with you in July of last year, after delivering our self-report to the NCAA. We knew it as we cooperated with the NCAA's own investigation, and when we met with you again this spring after receiving the NCAA's Notice of Allegations. And we were forthright about it when we met with the Committee on Infractions in August.

"Very little in the committee's report surprises us, because not only did we report these facts to the NCAA, we also thought them serious enough to impose penalties upon ourselves that we thought were appropriate at the time. The committee confirmed what we have said from the beginning: Serious violations occurred. The committee accepted our self-imposed penalties, and in some cases added their own. But the committee has been very fair with us. We trust the process, and we accept the committee's judgment.

"This is a process that speaks to the integrity of intercollegiate athletics. It is a process that deserves our respect. We fell short of the high standards we set for ourselves, and now it is appropriate that we accept the sanctions the Committee has imposed and move forward. We will not appeal the sanctions. We discovered we had a problem, we fixed the problem, and are ready to move forward with a much stronger compliance program."

http://www.kuathletics.com/genrel/101206aae.html

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Kansas was the first program ever prevented from defending their title by the NCAA. So much for this clown's take on their "honor" and "tradition" as obviously he is totally (or willfully) ignorant of the subject matter he is blathering about:

"1988 - Right: The NCAA imposes severe sanctions against the defending national champion Kansas Jayhawks. Because of numerous infractions committed under Coach Larry Brown, who left Kansas after winning the title, Kansas would become the first NCAA champ prohibited from defending their title."

http://hoopedia.nba.com/index.php?title=Template:November_8

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

Your team's on GameDay in less than 30 minutes, and you're on a KU board making about a thousand-word comments. Get a life, loser.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey Crow - will you please come here and eat yourself if you lose tonight?

Chad Hallack 10 years, 1 month ago

You UK fans can try to justify yourselves into oblivion, but everybody knows that all others play second fiddle to Kentucky in the shadiness dept... And he who laughs last laughs hardest. That will be me when Calipari takes your beloved program down in flames... just like he has EVERY other place he has been.

I would never be caught dead in a UK forum... Your self-conscious ridden shamelessness is laughable.

Chad Hallack 10 years, 1 month ago

One more time for you UK people... Get off the technicalities of the Derrick Rose SAT scandal. He would have been ineligible and Memphis would have lost their season even if he hadn't cheated on his SAT. Calipari HAD to know his brother was traveling with the team illegally. And of course he's gonna say he knew nothing about payments to Marcus Camby (the guy who made the Final 4 possible)... that's what cheats and liars do!

Chicago_JHawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Articles like this are embarrassing. Seriously? We're going to throw stones? KU has had their issues with the NCAA, too, as pointed out by numerous "visitors" to this site today. Arguing histories of KU, UK, UNC, Indiana, Duke, UCLA, etc can be argued all day long.

Why all the hate for UK this year? Because they're relevent again after a few down seasons? Calipari has had his transgressions in the past, and he may again in the future, but not yet. Let's play the games on the schedule and hope to meet in the tourney where we can settle it on the court, where it should be.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky Rifle,

Thanks for bringing all that stuff about Danny Manning up. Your Manning stuff is good, but you forget to realize that we have hired another father-son duo known as Mario and Ronnie Chalmers. You see, Mario actually had a hand in winning us another NC and his Dad was on staff, too. So please update your stuff with 21st Century examples to emphasize your point, smart guy.

P.S. None of these example you mention are illegal in NCAA terms (NCAA since has issued rules against) but please do keep on defending your destination NBA coach before he was at Kentucky. That is really bizzare. Mainly, because when he leave you, sir will be the first to call him a sleaze bag.

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

How these Kentucky fans so easily forget who laid down the biggest thumping in their programs history is amusing. Dec 9th 1989, KU beats UK 150-95 and in the process Rick Pitino flips Roy the bird, once again showing the true class of Kentucky basketball. How is it that Kentucky keeps ending up with the sleaziest coaches in the country?? First Pitino and now Calapari, two coaches who look and act like cheap used car salesmen. I hate you because I'm a Kansas fan, but I would at least respect you if you hired coaches with class.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky is 19 - 6 against Kansas. I mean, it's not like you chumps are a rival or anything. We own you. We have it all over you. You got nothing.

I think it's pain, embarrassment, and jealousy that's driving this nasty little obsession you chokers have with Kentucky. I mean, why would we even think about a little program like yours that we so completely own? Kentucky, obviously, does as we pleases with your team so I guess I can see why their pitiful fans feel such a strong need to lash out against the pain.

We're here for you. Let it all out. Cry on our shoulders. We understand.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Sorry I "Squided' my last sentence.

"Mainly, because when he leave you, sir will be the first to call him a sleaze bag."

should be

"Mainly, because when he leaves you, sir, will be the first to call him a sleaze bag".

P.S. aaaaaaaaahh said, aaaaaaaah said you, sir sound like a big fat loony tunes rooster. I prefer funny black dudes from 1970's sitcoms, yo.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky not only has more all time wins than Kansas (or anyone else for that matter), but Kentucky also has 159 fewer losses than Kansas does.

Matter of fact, Jon Scott's virtual "bible" of all things Kentucky Basketball does not even list Kansas as a traditional main non-conference rival for Kentucky:

Non-Conference Rivals

Duke Georgia Tech Indiana Louisville Maryland Michigan State North Carolina Notre Dame Utah Western Kentucky

I guess when you so completely own a program it's tough to consider them a rival?

Toxic 10 years, 1 month ago

KU fans can get mad all they want, but what do you expect when the dirtiest team of all time tries to bash someone else for cheating? That would be like Michael Vick bashing someone for using a rolled up newspaper on their dog.

Lets also not forget about Ol Roy ( when at Kansas ) sending a player from California to North Carolina to "retake" his SAT test after he failed in California.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Hi The_Crow,

I don't know where to start. Should I F with him that he is here instead of blogging on his win at the UK boards? Should I F with him because he chose an avatar than looks like it was chosen by a someone who trolls boards as an intellect, but does not understand what a crow versus a hawk or eagle looks like? Should I remind him that Jaybate is a superhuman force that will remind this e-person that basketball history begins in Kansas and that Kentucky can't handle who's your Daddy comments? Should I F with this guy because Kentucky is number 2 and KU is number 1?

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

If you want to think that you own us, go right ahead. But don't forget that we own a spot in your record books as the team that's beaten you worse than any other team...ever! And that's not opinion, that's fact! And if you want to talk recent history, we've one the last three, you haven't even beaten us in this millenium.

jaybate 10 years, 1 month ago

et al,

My,my, my, the children and grand children programs of KU are getting angry at Daddy just because Daddy is 23-1 and expecting some minimum standards of behavior from them.

Rock chalk, children, and clean up your acts, before its too late.

wyansas 10 years, 1 month ago

Wow. The Crow brought it.

And Mayer, HORRIBLE ARTICLE, MAN! Horrible, horrible. I can see someone on the message boards or the blogs writing something like this, but someone on the LJW payroll??? This article, written out of what could only be jealousy, is amateur stuff. Stick to writing about KU, aka what we want to read.

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Our history isn't squeaky clean either. In fact, our history is just about as corrupt. My opinion, of course.

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Oops, in my last post I said "one the last three", obviously I meant "won the last three". My bad.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

On a positive note.....I'm Kansas born and raised and I think Kentucky is an all right state and university ....Even though Allen Fieldhouse is clearly the best college basketball venue, I do enjoy the experience of visiting other college arenas and taking in a game, the atmosphere, etc....I haven't been to rupp arena yet but I would like to...along with cameron and the dean dome, the pit and several others....I have a good buddy who is a UK native and fan.....so i was quite disappointed in 03 when it looked as if our teams would meet in the F4, only for Marquette and D. Wade to show up and ruin the matchup and then same thing the following year when KU and UK's #1 seeded team should have had a sweet 16 affair, only to have Mike Anderson's UAB team pull off the surprise......so then 2007's tourney matchup was a long time coming but alas the game didnt quite have the amount of excitement that a matchup with their superior 03/04 teams would have....there are never any guarantees in tourney games as we KU fans know. us beating an inferior UK team in 07 in only the 2nd round is nothing to gloat about but still amongst friends it's still "my team beat your team" and it was a small compensation for our 99 tourney loss to them. oh well just some thoughts and memories and laughs. here's hoping 2010 march madness slash april awesomeness provides some more laughs and fond memories for all

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

There is such thing as modern basketball. The Kentucky legacy was written during the era in which there wasnt even a three point line. Perhaps that is why Kentucky is so glad to have been number 1, because it has been decades.

You should try winning a title this century, Kentucky, then you can stop boasting about the good ole days because they are not relevant to me.

March is unlike the AAU tournament games that youre players are so accustomed to playing in. None of your roster has any real tournament experience, most of our bench has a ring back at home.

TheOriginalCA 10 years, 1 month ago

Let us also not ever forget that Wilt Chamberlain, admitted that he took a paycut when he left KU for the NBA.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

I can't stop thinking about KU - uk connections. It's already 3am (2am when i started writing this novel) sheeeesh kabob. When we compare KU and make basketball connections with other universities it's often with UNC but beyond the obvious adolp rupp connection, KU and uk is an interesting one to consider. Bill Self played under and then was an assistant under Leonard Hamilton at OSU who was a former assistant at uk under Joe B Hall. Later Eddie Sutton took over at OSU after his eventful 4 years in lexington and Bill Self continued under Eddie's OSU staff. Then of course Coach Self's former assistant coach and close friend Billy Gillespie took the reins at uk. Then there's coach cal and Self's recent and past history. But what really got my head spinning was thinking about Roy's tenure at KU and Tubbyball at uk and certain similarities.

uk has experienced alot of basketball success. They were dynamite in the 90's, 3 straight finals, 7 elite 8s in 8 years. Maybe they haven't won a championship in 12 years, which in the big picture is still pretty recent but to a diehard fan 12 years equals alot of heartbreaking loses especially considering some of the really good tubby teams in the last decade.

I bring all this up because as KU fans don't u feel just a smidge bit of sympathy/empathy for uk fans? when you stop to consider that uk has lost the last 3 elite 8 games they've been in, that they haven't been to the F4 in 12 years.....as a KU fan do you remember that 9 year gap between final fours under Roy? Do you remember how exciting it was to be watching your team play the last weekend of the season again after watching all those heartbreaking season loses year after year...syracuse arizona rhode island illinois....losing in the 1st round those back to back years was bad but how about not even making it, like uk last year or not making it past the 2nd round for the past 3 years before that. Considering all the frustations and disappoints that UK has had since the Pitino era makes me remember what it's been like to be a Jayhawk fan for part of the last 22 years. It's funny how with such a great season like we're having this year how all the heartbreak seems like it was ages ago, eh? Nothing like winning a championship to erase 20 years of sports grief and burst that giant expanding bubble of angst.

So that's what I hear when I read these uk blogger's comments. uk fans who can remember those 3 straight finals 2 championships and experienced uk basketball being at the top and then had to endure 3 elite 8 losses and 2 years of billy ball and tubby ball and 12 years of no final fours nor championships.....well here's hoping cal and them kats make it back to playing on that final weekend and that KU can renew its rivalry with em on the grandest stage in the biggest game. Here's to dreaming

KentuckyRifle 10 years, 1 month ago

Gee, it looks like I struck a nerve with bringing up the Danny Manning scandal. It is a sad commentary when the only response to the Danny Manning pay-off is "it happened last century." Very weak KU fans. Let's put a few things in perspective. This hack writer Mayer writes an incendiary article which makes the following claims: 1) Yes, Kentucky got to 2000 wins before Kansas.... 2) But, Kentucky got to 2000 wins before Kansas b/c they have always cheated.... 3) Unlike Kansas (and NC), which have won their games with "honor" 4) To prove his point, Mayer cites examples from as far back as the 30s and 40s.

This incendiary article ("You cheated, we didn't") has invited a slew of responses from Kentucky fans like myself, who have completely destroyed this dope's article. The Kentucky posters have accurately pointed out that Kansas has: 1) Been placed on NCAA probation several times for cheating--FACT 2) That Wilt Chamberlain admitted to getting paid to play at KU--FACT 3) That Danny Manning coming to KU was b/c his dad was paid off---FACT 4) That Larry Brown ran the sleaziest program in NCAA history--opinion.

Since Mr. Mayer wants to criticize Kentucky's conduct from the 1940s, I think it perfectly fair to bring up Danny Manning. When you hire Manning's dad--who was a TRUCK DRIVER at the time he was hired--and give him a mega-salary to sit on your bench, that's called a pay-off. Everybody in the country knew it was a pay-off to get the best high school player in the country to Kansas, and I bet Mr. Mayer didn't write any pompous articles in the 1980s about this pay-off. For KU fans to say, "Well, gee, technically no rules were violated by hiring truck driver Ed Manning and paying him a ton of cash to bring his son to Lawrence, KS" is about as weak as it gets. Let's face it, Kansas fans, Larry Brown CHEATED, and that accounts for one of your precious few NCAA titles. A few more points. First, a couple of KU fans have found solace in the fact that you beat UK in 1989 by 61 points. Good for you....except we were playing virtually all walk-ons at the time. Congratulations! When non-walk-ons are on our team, we have beaten KU 3 out of 4 times throughout history. Second, please don't even compare your dilapidated excuse for an arena with Rupp Arena. We get 24,000 a game......whereas Danny Manning got paid $24,000 a game. Finally, if you employ a hack writer to pen incendiary articles about another basketball program, you should expect incendiary replies.

KentuckyRifle 10 years, 1 month ago

One further point for the histroy-challenged. Kentucky was ranked #1 in 2003 and was the top #1 seed in the NCAA tournament. Dwayne Wade and Marquette beat us that year in the Final 8, but please remember that the reason they beat us was b/c our best player, future NBA player Keith Bogans, severely injured his ankle against Wisconsin 2 days before the Marquette game. If Bogans had been healthy, we would have been in New Orleans beating up KU.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

KR,

I freaking provided you with a 21st century example of us hiring another dad and winning a NC. I am going to bring this conversation down to your level since obviously nothing has happened since 1988. When you walk like and Egyptian to your custom nuclear fall-out shelter, and then pull the crane technique (You know, if performed correctly...cannot defend) on our board, with sticky fingers from your fruit roll-up, then type about how no one puts baby (Kentucky) in the corner.

Sweet. You win. Big. Fat. Angry. Troll.

Did I mention that Kansas is number one running away dawg? Big Cuz is a firecracker (not dynamite). Walking time bomb.

Chad Hallack 10 years, 1 month ago

Jaybate... "Daddy"... priceless! LMAO

Dear Kentucky Hawk...

1993 Final 4... KU 94 Marquette 61... History challenged indeed! Nice example... you guys make it too easy!

A BTW, when people outside of Kentucky talk about the greatest college basketball arenas/atmosheres... they don't talk about Rupp Arena. They talk about Allen Fieldhouse, and that crackjack box in Durham as a distant second. Iba Arena at Okie State gets more love your house does... you crack me up!

None of the big boys, including us, have a squeky clean history... the difference is, we don't go to UK sites and try to pretend that we do.

KentuckyRifle 10 years, 1 month ago

DynamiteHawk,

I emphasize Danny Manning b/c he single-handedly won KU the 1988 championship. Clearly, KU cheated to get Manning. Thus, 33 1/3% of KU's NCAA titles were the result of cheating. I can't speak for the other two titles. Also, when a partisan JayHawk reporter writes an incendiary article, the target of the article should have the privilege of mounting a defense.

But, more to the point. Reporters, writers, bloggers, etc. in Kentucky do not waste their time writing sour grapes-type articles about Kansas, UNC, Indiana, Duke, etc. When you are the best college basketball program in history, there is no need to write misleading hatchet jobs about other programs.

And we will win the title this year. John Wall, 1st pick in NBA draft; Demarcus Cousins, 2nd pick, Patrick Patterson, 10th pick.....Kansas point guard, 2nd round pick, Wyoming Wildcats of the CBA.

bthelm2 10 years, 1 month ago

Wah Wah Wah!!! We didn't get to 2,000 wins first. So let's just try to lessen the significance of UK's accomplishment so we can feel better when we FINALLY get there. WAH WAH WAH!!! What a bunch of whiners.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

One thing that these idiot Kansas fans are correct about. Kansas is our father... as they are UNC's. I have always felt a special admiration for the Kansas basketball program as the birthplace of the game. They deserve our respect.

However, when idiots like this blogger write this type of trash and then it gets followed up by the worst of the worst of Kansas fans, then I can't help myself. I realize I shouldn't wallow with the trash that spawned this hateful blog, but the level of historically blind ignorance it belched forth could not be allowed to go unchallenged.

Kansas is a special place and they should take pride in the accomplishments of both Kentucky and North Carolina as well. To pretend Kentucky is uniquely tainted in order to somehow make-believe that both Kansas and North Carolina (and every other high level NCAA program... hello UCLA) are pristine examples of fair play is blind homerism.

And there's nothing wrong with homerism. Be proud of your University, but don't somehow convince yourself that you need to tear ours down in the process.

This blogger and the unfortunate participants here will not change my view of Kansas nor their historical importance in the creation of Kentucky. Kentucky is unquestionably the greatest college basketball program ever and the numbers make our case convincingly, but I also know where both Rupp and the game itself came from.

You see, unlike this pompous ignorant blogger, I understand the game and appreciate the history. Good and bad. Just like all of us. I don't need to pretend perfection in myself, my wife, my children... or my team.

When all is said and done, 5 men stepped out onto the court representing Kentucky at the highest level, on the biggest stage, under the brightest lights. For our entire history we have .700+ winning percentage in the regular season, the SEC Tournament, The SEC Championship, The NCAA tournament, The NCAA Final Four, and the NCAA Championship.

Kentucky has been to 13 Final Fours and have won 10 times. Kentucky has been to 10 National Championship games and won 7 times. Kentucky has won more games... and lost fewer games... than Kansas or North Carolina. Kentucky ranks 1st or 2nd in every meaningful statistic the game measures.

The benchmark is clear.

Sparko 10 years, 1 month ago

The fact that UK cretins come here to vent says all you need to know about their team. This year strikes me as a new low even for them; running off scholarship athletes, making a devil deal with the most corrupt coach in the game. And, no, I haven't the slightest inclination or wish to read anything about UK in their local press or blogs.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Take this "Sparko" imbecile, for example. He says "running off scholarship athletes" as if Bill Self, this very offseason, didn't clear room on his own roster?

Neither coach "ran off" anyone. I don't know what the substance of Bill Self's conversations with his players were, but coach Cal sat players down and told them what the prospect for playing time was. Have you watched Pilgrim play this year in your Big 12 and you don't think we would have liked to have kept him for next year? But this year he would not have seen the floor at all behind Cousins, Patterson, Orton, Stevenson, or even Josh Harrelson as Harrelson can shoot the trey. You think a player of Pilgrim's ability should sit and not play at all behind that?

You idiots don't need to invent things. To twist facts in order to try and build up your own program. Yet you do because you feel inferior. That's normal... because you (along with all other programs) are. Learn to appreciate your place as the 5th or 6th greatest program of all time and stop sniping at the top. We know you. We see you way down there. Looking up. Pouting.

FYE34 10 years, 1 month ago

HILARIOUS...seeing a Kansas writer claim that their victories aren't tainted but Kentucky's is? KANSAS HAS MORE VIOLATIONS THAN ANYONE IN COLLEGE BASKETBALL! Even two years ago, you were under investigation for improper benefits and Darryl Arthur having his grades changed to be eligible.

How can you forget that you were on probation not so long ago? Lets not forget that the NCAA had to change the rules about gifts BECAUSE OF UNC!!!!

Man, I hate ignorant writers with an agenda.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

He also laughably said Kentucky made a "devil deal" when they hired John Calipari. This from a fan of a team that hired Larry Brown and had Roy Williams handing out "graduation gifts" while claiming he didn't know you couldn't do that? Okay, I tried to give you guys a break, but now it's time to break out the big guns:

A chronological timeline of Bill Self's tenure at KU.

2003 Off-season Roy Williams takes the head coaching job at North Carolina.

Bill Self leaves Illinois and is introduced as Kansas basketball coach.

Darnell Jackson becomes Self's first commit to Kansas as after receiving over $5,000 in illegal benefits by KU booster Don Davis during his recruitment. The benefits happened between the fall of 2002 and the spring of 2005. The benefits included impermissible transportation, meals and lodging for Jackson and his family, gifts and a personal loan.

2004 Off-season Omar Wilkes, Moulaye Niang, David Padgett announce they are transferring from the Kansas basketball program.

Kurtis Townsend is hired as assistant basketball coach. Townsend's experience includes being a member of the staff at California (1993-1997) during one of the largest NCAA recruiting violation investigations in history, which landed the school on 3 years probation. He followed that up as an assistant at Michigan (1998-2001) during the greatest recruiting scandal in the history of the NCAA, which resulted in four years of major sanctions for the school. As a bonus to the Kansas basketball program, Townsend brought along with him recruit C.J. Giles, formerly committed to USC when Townsend was coaching there. However, when Townsend left USC for Miami, G.J. Giles transferred along with him to Miami. Once Townsend was fired at Miami, C.J. Giles again transferred with him, this time to Kansas. More on Townsend in a future post, but here's a preview. Slimy? You decide. I think the answer is quite obvious.

Julian Wright commits to Kansas without ever visiting campus. Wright, who had previously eliminated Kansas from his list, apparently and inexplicably changed his mind and committed on the spot during a Self and Townsend in-home visit. Scheduled visits to various other schools are abruptly canceled.

Perhaps not surprisingly, Rodrick Stewart, another one of Townsend's former players and recruits, transfers to Kansas from USC. For more on this story, http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/cbasketball/176969_locke09.html.

FYE34 10 years, 1 month ago

I'd like to know how Kentucky's wins are 'tainted' when the wins we had some of our wins already vacated.

TAKE A LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!! You're a fan of THE most corrupt program in all of college basketball.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

2004-05 season Self manages to accomplish something that hasn't been done at KU since 1978, as Kansas is shocked in first round of NCAA tournament (64-63) by 14th seed Bucknell. It is the first NCAA tournament victory ever for Bucknell's entire conference, and the first win by a 14 seed since 1999. The preseason #1 team ends its season by losing to a team with only 5 scholarship players. Illinois goes 37-2 and reaches the NCAA title game.

2005 Off-season Alex Galindo and Nick Bahe announce they are transferring from the Kansas basketball program.

A measly 300 fans show up for Kansas basketball awards ceremony. The majority of the seating for 2,024 remains empty; "The ones who didn't show up can sit behind their desk, their computers or whatever and complain till next season," said Keith Langford.

A highly publicized bar fight involving starting guard J.R. Giddens occurs. (Type "JR Giddens Moon Bar" into Google and you get 2,750 results.) Multiple witnesses report that Giddens was the primary instigator in an attack that saw 10-12 people beat Olathe resident Jeremiah Creswell with fists, bricks and bottles. Saying he was trying to defend himself, Creswell brandished a knife and stabbed Giddens and four others. Witnesses said KU forward C.J. Giles also threw a punch and tossed bricks at Creswell as he lay defenseless on the ground getting stomped.

At some point in June, the Kansas athletic department receives an anonymous tip regarding improprieties centering around J.R. Giddens and NCAA recruiting violations. Ronnie Chalmers, previously a high school coach in Alaska with only 5 years of experience, but more importantly, recruit Mario Chalmers' father, is announced as Director of Kansas Basketball Operations. His son also elects to come to Lawrence.

Keith Langford and Aaron Miles, never able to adjust to Bill Self's slow and methodical hi-low offense, go undrafted in the 2005 NBA draft. Known for his lack of sportsmanship and being on scholarship despite stealing felony amounts of merchandise from Wal-Mart, J.R. Giddens has developed into a one dimensional player and is thus becoming expendable given all the off the court issues he brings to the table. Giddens announces he is leaving the Kansas basketball program under request from Self to get a fresh start elsewhere. With only walk-on Christian Moody averaging more than 1 rebound a game at the D1 level of the returning players, CJ Giles remains on KU's team.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Among other undisclosed violations and disclosed violations, such as the discovery of massive and rampant academic fraud within Kansas' football program, Kansas announces that it also discovered that its basketball staff had traditionally engaged in a practice of allowing monetary payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility, in violation of NCAA rules. A self-imposed two year probation is levied against their athletic department. Other sanctions are levied against women's basketball and men's football. Curiously, men's basketball escapes all self-imposed punishment.

Rodrick Stewart suffers gash on head after having a bottle smashed over his head during a fight at a Lawrence, Kansas bar.

Brandon Rush commits to Kansas basketball program. Rush narrowed his college choices to Illinois and Oklahoma. Rumors are that he couldn't qualify at Illinois or Oklahoma. He decided he would have to enter the draft straight from high school as he couldn't qualify at a D1 university, except it looked as though he wouldn't be a first round selection, something his brother already had happen to him. His brothers talked him out of it. Two weeks after school started he got into KU and even though he at times carried a 0.0 GPA in high school managed to get a 3.6 at KU while missing the first two weeks of classes. This strangely coincided with the same time frame which their compliance department was noted to be severely understaffed and inadequate by the NCAA and academic fraud was occurring.

Sherron Collins commits to Kansas amidst various media reports that he was steered by his coach Anthony Longstreet, (More on Longstreet in a future post), considered by Chicago Public League coaches as the new Landon "Sonny" Cox for his ability to recruit players to Crane. Scheduled visits promised to various other schools are abruptly canceled. Afterward, Longstreet, without being prompted or even accused of taking money, bizarrely challenged local sportswriters to "get the proof, produce the canceled check.'' Thereafter, Longstreet refused to ever speak again on the subject. He explained, "Right now, I've been told to be quiet because this stuff is getting too ugly."

Darnell Jackson is ruled ineligible by NCAA Eligibility Committee for nine games for receipt of $5,000 in benefits from a Kansas booster over a three year period while being recruited by Kansas.

A cbssportsline.com article suggests that J.R. Giddens is also ultimately wrapped up in the Darnell Jackson scandal, questioning: "Did Don Davis also have a "relationship" with Jackson's best friend and former AAU teammate, J.R. Giddens, the McDonald's All-American who signed with Kansas in 2003? Because if the answer is yes, Kansas has a big, big, big problem."

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

2005-2006 Season Kansas loses to Nevada at home, 72-70, falling to a record of 2-3 for the first time in over 30 years. After the game, ESPN TV cameras captured an exchange between Kansas University assistant coach Joe Dooley and 19 year old Nevada player Nick Fazekas. When Fazekas held out his hand to shake Dooley's in an apparent show of sportsmanship, Dooley instead screamed "F*** YOU!!!!" directly at Fazekas. Afterward, Coach Bill Self reprimanded Dooley stating: "Obviously, in a hotly contested game like this one, emotions were high after the game. Coach Joe Dooley responded in an inappropriate manner to an exchange with a Nevada player." Coach Dooley added: "I have great respect for the Nevada team. They played well tonight. I responded in a negative manner to something that was said to me following the game. I certainly apologize to the Nevada program and this is not the manner in which Kansas basketball should be represented."

Reports surface regarding an NCAA investigation into potential violations involving Kansas freshman Brandon Rush. The potential violations centered around Rush's involvement with an agent and possible payment of travel expenses by NBA teams the previous summer during Rush's workouts with the teams.

The NCAA suspends Brandon Rush after the NCAA determined that he had improperly received benefits from an agent after applying for the 2005 NBA draft. An appeal by Kansas is granted within one day and Rush is re-instated without missing any games.

Kansas loses to in-state rival Kansas State at home, 59-55.

Micah Downs announces he is transferring from the Kansas basketball program.

Following up the once in the last 20 year accomplishment of losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament, Self manages to again accomplish this feat by losing to Bradley, 77-73. Considerable pressure mounts as "win at all costs" goes into full effect when the fan base begins to call for his firing.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

2006 Off-season Christian Moody becomes the first Jayhawk player since the 1980s to not be eligible for his graduation checks from alumni, as the pending investigation causes KU to cease such open forms of paying their players. Later, his agent writes a note requesting video of him missing free throws to lose a game to Missouri be taken down from youtube.com as he feels it is hindering his client from finding gainful employment.

The NCAA responds that KU failed to demonstrate Institutional control and that the minor violations self reported in basketball in KU's report do not seem to be all-inclusive.

KU is placed on probation for major violations across multiple sports and for Lack of Institutional Control. The committee seems impressed with KU's innovative strategy of eliminating the middleman (by electing to not maintain a compliance department, KU didn't detect or report violations in a timely manner, which resulted in them being able to claim a statue of limitations on many violations and go unpunished), however they are still charged with: •Illegal payments given to potential recruits •Illegal payments given to current players with the approval of coaching staff •Illegal payments given to players after eligibility is exhausted •Providing illegal transportation to recruits Providing illegal clothing and other benefits to recruits •Providing illegal transportation to family members of recruits •Making special arrangements to facilitate a vehicle for family members of recruits. •Academic Fraud •Failure to report violations •Failure to employ a compliance auditor •Negligence to provide adequate oversight •Lack of Institutional Control

KU is placed on three years probation including reduction in the total of grants-in-aid award in the men's basketball program to no more than 12 during the 2007-08 and 2008-09 seasons. Also reduced the total of official paid visits by a total of eight from the maximum number allowed during the 2006-07 and 2007-8 academic years, dissociation of a representative of the university's athletics interest for a period of four years, and annual compliance reporting required.

Summation: probation and a reduction in 2 scholarships to be taken in the years KU chooses for the above violations.

CJ Giles is suspended indefinitely.

Giles re-instated to team, then 5 days later kicked off team for misdemeanor battery to his girlfriend.

2006-2007 Season Despite what most consider Self's best coaching job to date, he is under enormous pressure as the NCAA tournament get underway as most feel a repeat of the last two years will cost him his job. Self's Jayhawks do advance before being knocked out by UCLA, 68-55.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

2007-2008 Season Brandon Rush arrested for failing to appear in court. The hearing is ultimately delayed until after the basketball season.

Self leads the Jayhawks to their first loss to KSU in Manhattan in 24 years, 84-75.

KU is awarded a 1 seed in the NCAA tournament despite beating zero top 25 RPI teams in the regular season. They benefit by this strange seeding by receiving a draw of playing a 16 seed, an 8 seed, a 12 seed, and a 10 seed to get to the final four.

Self begins to be courted by Oklahoma State to take over their head coaching vacancy. KU beings to make a strong push to retain Self despite the distraction it is causing.

The beneficiaries of a historic collapse by Memphis, who led by nine points with two minutes to play and could have done about five different things to ensure KU had no chance of getting back in the game, KU wins its second national title of the modern era. They are the first team ever to win a championship while on probation for cheating, and every player on KU's roster who played more than 21 minutes in the championship game had a shady story surrounding them.

2008 offseason Self claims he wants to stay at Kansas, but won't rule out talking to OSU. He elects to stay at KU. Reports surface that Darell Arthur, KU's leading scorer in the championship game, did not actually pass high school and passed through the NCAA clearinghouse by submitting fraudulent transcripts. If ruled ineligible, per NCAA rules KU would be required to forfeit all games in which Arthur was a participant, which would result in KU being the first ever 40 loss team in a single season, the worst season in the history of the NCAA.

Listing of NCAA rules he was in clear violation of:

10.1 UNETHICAL CONDUCT Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited to, the following: (d) Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning the individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;

(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA or institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores)

Sweet_Sandbags 10 years, 1 month ago

I would have to agree with others that this article should not have been written. The amount of dirty laundry at the top of college basketball over the past number of decades extends to nearly all of the elite programs to one degree or another.

Apparently, however, Mayer's readership (i.e. clicks) must have been plummeting. In the internet world of today, we know that the fastest way to get those numbers up is to write something controversial or negative about UK. Their passionate fans, though misguided and delusional in some cases, will attack like a virus to defend themselves. For that we must say well done LJW and KUSports.com. You hit the formula for readership on the head. (Aside to Jesse Newell - To boost your blog numbers, be sure to drop a few negative items in your upcoming discussion of UK as one of the 10 who could win it all this year.)

And to our new UK friends who have joined us here, be sure to stop back by after your run in the NCAA tourney is over to let us know how you did. We look forward to your insightful coulda-shoulda-woulda excuses about whatever keeps you from going all the way.

Sorry to bust your balloon, but statistics tell who you really are. While UK has a solid team, it is not at this point a championship calibur one. Your offensive and defensive efficiency ratings need to get better to go all the way. According to Kenpom.com, while UK's overall rating is sitting at 10, your offensive and defensive efficiency ratings are 18th and 19th respectively. Those are not numbers champs are made of. Looking back over the history of the past 6 NCAA champs using Kenpom, the national champion has efficiency ratings usually in the top 5, if not top 2 or 3. Better get a move on it if UK wants to be there in April.

I would also point out that your best wins to date according to Kenpom are Vandy (30), Tenn. (31), Louisville (37), Ole Miss (42), and Florida (54). Congrats as well on those close wins over UConn (55) and UNC (59). Florida and UConn would also be the only two away from home. Not exactly the quality of schedule that will get you ready for the Big Dance. You'll have a chance to improve a little with your upcoming trips outside of Lexington. Let's see how you do in those.

But enough with the numbers, games are played on the hardwood. Good luck and all of us here look forward to a KU/UK matchup somewhere in the tourney.

RCJGKU

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

10.4 DISCIPLINARY ACTION Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of eligibility. (See Bylaw 10.3.2 for sanctions of student-athletes involved in violations of 10.3.) Institutional staff members found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action as set forth in Bylaw 19.5.2.2 of the NCAA enforcement procedures, whether such violations occurred at the certifying institution or during the individual's previous employment at another member institution.

14.01.3.3 Unethical Conduct. A prospective or enrolled student-athlete who is found to have engaged in unethical conduct (see Bylaw 10.1) shall be ineligible for intercollegiate competition in all sports.

14.11.1 Obligation of Member Institution to Withhold Student-Athlete from Competition. If a student-athlete is ineligible under the provisions of the constitution, bylaws or other regulations of the Association, the institution shall be obligated to apply immediately the applicable rule and to withhold the student-athlete from all intercollegiate competition. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of the student-athlete's eligibility as provided in Bylaw 14.12 if it concludes that the circumstances warrant restoration.

June, 2008. A judge rules in favor of the woman Sherron Collins sexually assaulted in an elevator in May of 2007, granting damages in excess of $75,000. She accused him of exposing himself and rubbing against her on May 18, 2007, in an elevator at a University of Kansas apartment complex. Collins does not show up to court.

Ronnie Chalmers, no longer the son of a KU player after Mario declares early for the NBA draft, vacates the Director of Basketball Operations position.

While living in university paid for housing prior to being eligible for scholarship benefits, 18 year old Markieff Morris drunkenly shoots a lady with a BB gun from his dorm room window. No action is taken.

Two weeks after school starts (shades of Brandon Rush before them), the Morris twins are cleared to play basketball for KU. "While it may have taken a bit longer than we had hoped, the important thing is that the process worked," Self said regarding having them take classes in Lawrence.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Dallas School District re-opens case regarding Arthur not really being a college eligible player. Ashmore, Arthur's Math teacher said when Arthur was failing Algebra I as a freshman in the fall of 2002, his coach asked for leniency. Ashmore said when he refused, Arthur was abruptly moved to another class. A closer examination of Arthur's grades reveal that his English III grades of 75, 60, 70 and 65 don't actually add up to a 70 as is reflected on his transcript. In fact, the average should be 67.5, meaning he should have failed the course that is needed to graduate. "Like I said, he [Arthur] just kind of checked out that third six weeks," Yourse, his English teacher said. Melanie Kidd was Arthur's theater arts teacher in the fall of 2004. She said she remembers Arthur failed the course during the final six weeks. Arthur made a grade of 50, she said. According to his transcripts, Arthur's grades for the last six weeks of theater arts are also missing. A block of grades from Arthur's Algebra II were also missing on the transcript from the fall semester of 2005. All that is present is a final grade, which was changed from "failing" to a passing grade of 70 nine months later in September the following year. NCAA officials have confirmed that if Arthur never officially graduated, his eligibility at Kansas is something that may have to be investigated. My question is: are they investigating it?

2008-09 Season During a 'no contact period' as defined by NCAA rules, Self pays a visit to John Wall, the #1 unsigned recruit in the nation. To demonstrate his respect for NCAA rules states in front of a witnesses: Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win."

Confirmation comes in the Darell Arthur case that his grades were artificially changed and that his 'graduation' from high school wasn't legit. Per NCAA rules, that use of an ineligible player results in forfeiture of all games participated. Does that mean that KU falls to 0-78 for the prior two years?

After huge wins over North Dakota State and Dayton, KU loses to Michigan State.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

2009 Off-season

Xavier Henry, one of the top five high school players in the class of 2009, commits to KU after John Calipari leaves Memphis for Kentucky. Two weeks ago, KU didn't have any available scholarships to give. Curiously, Tyrone Appleton and Quintrell Thomas announced that they are transferring from KU, apparently to make room for potential incoming recruits Xavier Henry, his brother, and possibly Lance Stephenson. It didn't take long after the transfer announcements for the Henry brothers to commit to KU. Did Appleton and Thomas leave on their own or did Self ask them to leave? You decide. I think it's quite obvious.

All of this goes to show that there's a history of strange happenings going on at the University of Kansas. Not only in basketball, but other sports as well. KU is Kansas City's team, and if you follow the media in this town you know that to be true. KU gets more media coverage in Kansas City than the other local schools combined. I just wish someone would do some solid investigative work for once instead of pushing all of this stuff under the rug and pretending that they're winning legitimately.

http://josephmathieu.blogspot.com/2009/04/university-of-kansas-basketball-history.html

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

How can anyone think this blogger has an ounce of credibility after being so COMPLETELY discredited? If this clown is actually employed as a writer by some backwoods hick newspaper, then I hope they have a good fact-checker following him from room to room as I have demonstrated clearly and completely that his idiot doesn't have a clue as to the subject matter he is writing about.

FYE34 10 years, 1 month ago

Sweet sandbags, Kansas is the master of the "coulda woulda shoulda" excuses considering no team has choked more often than you guys. Lets not forget that you only have 3 titles and you just won your last title two years ago. Lets also, not forget that Kansas has yet to prove anything. You have been played to the buzzer by Cornell, Colorado, and lost to a depleted Tennessee team that played multiple walk-ons. Lets not forget that KENTUCKY JUST BEAT THE #12 TENNESSEE team. You choose to forget that for some reason.

Kentucky is every bit as good as Kansas. Cousins is definitely better than Aldrich, I mean STATISTICS DON'T LIE, DO THEY? We are pound for pound championship contenders and have just as good a chance to win it as you do. Your sense of self entitlement is pathetic.

Steve Brown 10 years, 1 month ago

James Naismith is the vine we are the branches.

I'm proud of our coaching tree, Rupp (was he part of Helms 22/23 #1 teams) Smith, Miller, Catlett, and our best ambassador, John McClendon so I root for UNC, KY, A&M to promote our tree. I share some pride in Cal, as he got his training wheels off in AFH.

I wonder about UMass & Memphis games forfeited by NCAA enforcement division and if KY can avoid the same conclusion. Time will tell.

Can't wait for March, awesome talent, great coaches, one game elimination and a shot clock, lace them up let's play ball.

My dream final four: Kansas KY S'cuse pick em: Dook/West Virg.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

First of all, that "article" about KU's violations is the most slanted piece of writing I've ever read. I know about every incident it refers to, but I have to think for a second before realizing what it's talking about because those descriptions bear so little resemblance to what actually happened. It is an amazing work though, because it took some serious pettiness and anger to try and spin every angle of every non-story into something heinous. I would love to read a similar piece of writing describing UK's sordid history. Mayer's article was factual. That "article" is a joke.

Secondly, KU has 5 National Championships. 1,2,3,4,5.

Don't try not to count two of them just because we were that good a decade before you were.

jhokfan 10 years, 1 month ago

OMG!!! Crow, et al, get a f###ing life. It's just a game. Not like someone is trashing your mother.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

baj, there are far more facts in the blog I linked than the garbage at the head of this one. Both draw conclusions from facts and both extrapolate. I think the blog I posted on Kansas is far more damning than the weak-kneed effort this old hack banged out on his manual typewriter, but again, that's opinion.

I think the point is this whole thing was unnecessary. I can post a mountain of dirt on Duke, UNC, or any other significant program. The old "sausage" analogy applies. We need to take pride in the accomplishments and history of our programs and not allow bitter hold hacks like this one that understand nothing of the game to detract from our pride. I don't. I'm also not going to allow ridiculous assertions about Kentucky's history being uniquely blighted go unchallenged, either.

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

Get yourself a girlfriend crow. It is Valentines Day after all and all you are capable of doing is writing on our blogs. Go to a coffee shop or something and try to score some tail.

If that doesn't work you can continue to copy and paste material from your most recent google search

cstewa04 10 years, 1 month ago

The_Crow - The only one you have discredited is yourself my friend. Yes, you have the gift of gab, which lead me to be sure there are many UK fans who just roll their eyes when they see your comments. But your copying wiki links to KU Athletics violations and pasting them here does nothing for you. Ask yourself this; why wasn't there more of a celelbration, nationally, when UK broke 2k? Yeah...the national media knows and you know, that a lot of those wins were ill-gotten and began with back alley deals from less than morale boosters and University of Kentucky officials.

As far as your bashing the writer of this article and residents of lawrence as backwoods.....I just have to laugh. I've traveled the world and have not likely seen two more disgusting areas than Louisville and Lexington Kentucky. Yeah....there's a liquor store and strip club on every corner! Nothing more backwoods and "Deliverence"-esque than that. Best of luck to ya Crow....hope we see UK in the tourney or maybe even Coach Cal again in the final this year. Of course, it would not suprise me at all if all UK's wins are vacated just as they were the last time Cal led a team deep into the tourney.

Toxic 10 years, 1 month ago

lol Louisville may be dirty, but when you threw Lexington into the mix you just lost all credibility and showed your bias. Lexington is one of the cleanest and most beautiful cities in the U.S. and to say it isn't is nothing but a bias. I'm not going to go through the trouble of insulting Kansas ( the state ) just going to point out once again that Kansas ( the program ) has been in trouble more then any other school in the NCAA. So try to feel good when you call someone else a cheater, but we all know the truth.

wildcat76 10 years, 1 month ago

What a pointless story! Seems as though you're trying to stroke the self-esteem of KU fans, who don't need it! They've already got plenty to be proud of....Great team, great fans, great program....just like UK. Not one program is squeaky clean, not one!

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

I didn't realize Lawrence, Kansas was the Paris of the cornbelt. LOL. Of course it is the 6th largest "city" in the State of Kansas, so that's impressive... or not.

These Kansas cornfed hillbillies crack me up with their fancy "sophisticated" pig farms and rows of corn trying to blast on a city like Lexington that annually ranks in the top 10 for education/income per capita. No, these corn eating pig farmers have it all figured out. They even stick their little pinky out when they drink an RC Cola.

Here's a tip for you pig-pokers: "cultured" doesn't mean your morning buttermilk.

Rock-Choke-Jayhawk!!

bayareajhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

No, Crow. Mayer's article is almost purely factual. Read it again. The only opinions in there involve comparisons to other schools. Everything in there about UK is a fact. These payments and trials/hearings are documented. By the way, this is what Bill Mayer does. He picks something every week to grumble about and it tends to bother readers. Most of the KU fans write him hate messages constantly. He writes extremely negative things about current KU teams when he thinks they don't stack up to their predecessors. Just realize who you're getting upset about. In this case, even though he's stirring people up this article is 98% factual.

The blog, however, is about 2% factual. Roy Williams had a habit of sending graduation cards to players after they had graduated (and used up all of their eligibility). He would typically include a 20 dollar bill in these cards. Our compliance office discovered this, told Roy to stop, and then self-reported it. This came to the NCAA's attention at the same time as some other incidents involving other sports at KU. This is how it's described in the blog:

"Among other undisclosed violations and disclosed violations, such as the discovery of massive and rampant academic fraud within Kansas' football program, Kansas announces that it also discovered that its basketball staff had traditionally engaged in a practice of allowing monetary payments to graduating players and other Jayhawk players who had exhausted their eligibility, in violation of NCAA rules. A self-imposed two year probation is levied against their athletic department. Other sanctions are levied against women's basketball and men's football. Curiously, men's basketball escapes all self-imposed punishment."

We're talking about Roy personally sending $20 in a graduation card to graduating players, but the blog makes it sound like he was "allowing" someone else to funnel them money once they were off-campus. Guess what, men's basketball escaped self-punishment because what Roy did was not a big deal! It's really not all that curious.

This is how that sort of manipulative writing works. I wish people would use their creative skills for good (truth) instead of evil (misinformation).

Sweet_Sandbags 10 years, 1 month ago

FYE34 (anonymous) says…

“…Your sense of self entitlement is pathetic.”

You are welcome to point out to me FYE34 where in my last post I predicted KU would win or is entitled to the championship this year. I’m not going there because the fact is anyone can lose on any given night in a knock out tournament format. It should be a good one this year and hopefully KU and UK will meet so that this debate can be settled on the court.

While not predicting or providing any support as to why KU might win the championship (thus no discussion of KU’s wins/schedule – which are better by the way based upon Kenpom), my point is that the stats are not currently shaping up to support the belief of some that UK will win it. They certainly could go far, but unless they improve it does not appear that “champion” will be used to describe them when their season ends based upon recent champion characteristics. But hey, you clearly have an active imagination, so believe away. That's why they play the games.

Regarding usage of the transitive property, please just stop. It is irrelevant.

Implying that UK beat Tenn. which beat KU, so UK is better than KU holds no water.

Let’s see – KU beat Baylor, which beat South Carolina, which beat UK, so I guess KU is better than UK.

In fact you know what, according to Kenpom rankings nearly the worst team in D1 would beat the top team using this property.

Southern (345) beat New Orleans (318) which beat Tulane (221) which beat Penn St. (115) which beat Virginia (50) which beat Georgia Tech (28) which beat Southern Cal (60) which beat Tennessee (31) which beat Kansas (1). So I guess using this logic, Southern is better than Kansas.

It’s not a valid argument, so don’t bother going there. It all comes down to what teams do on the court against their competition. See you there in March or maybe April.

Again, please come back by anytime and especially when your season is over.

RCJGKU

bayareajhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

One more thing, Cat fans. We have choked in our time, and that's the only reason there is any debate about who the best program in history is. We have 5 national championships, but we have lost 5 national championship games (more than any other school). and four of them are by a combined 12 points ('53. '57, '91, '03).

We are 13 points away from having 9 national championships and 1998 wins. Not bad for a bunch of chokers, eh?

Of course, 5 national championships and 1994 wins is pretty good, too.

LA_hawk 10 years, 1 month ago

As I've been reading all of this back and forth bickering for the past day, I really hope we do get to settle this on the court in March. Obviously both programs have dirt on them, as do all elite programs, and we're not in a position to throw stones. I really hope we meet in the champ game as I think it would be a GREAT one. The two best point gaurds in the country going up against each other, and the two best big men in the country going up against each other. And then you also have two great power forwards in Morris and Patterson going against each other. I think both teams match up well and it would be a great battle. Just hope our veteran leadership over a freshman dominated team would give us an edge.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

OK, I just thought about it and 13 points wouldn't have been enough.

I guess we're 16 points away from 9 national championships. Still not bad!

abrandt 10 years, 1 month ago

YO CROW!

Since you are such an expert on Kansas (the birthplace of Kentucky basketball), I thought that I would add to your vast knowledge. Did you know that Ed Manning played for Larry in the ABA? Did you know that they maintained their friendship after their time together? Did you know that Larry thought enough of Ed to have him join his San Antonio staff? Gosh, maybe you are not such an expert after all!!!!!!!!

Now, maybe you can add something to my knowledge! Can you tell me how Sam Bowie got to Lexington? Also, I understand that Sam earned his insurance license while he was at Kentucky and was able to subsidize his college days by selling policies to the faithful. I am sure with your knowledge you could confirm that for me.

Lastly, I am so glad Jo Jo was out of bounds, otherwise the Baron of Halstead, Ks. might not have been exposed as the bigot he was. Yes, I am ashamed that Rupp was a Kansas grad. And every Kentucky fan should be ashamed as well. But they are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great heritage you have there CROW!

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Lawrence is 84% white and boasts a mighty 5% African American population (Louisville has 23% AA). Kansas is one of the most reliably Republican voting blocks in the country in Presidential elections and hasn't voted for a Democrat since 1964. Hmm... what was the country embroiled in during that time? (this probably accounts for the earlier post from a Kansas fan about how "ugly" they found Louisville as it probably wasn't white enough for him).

Seems our "sophisticated" Kansas rednecks got mad and never voted for a Democrat again once the Civil Rights movement took hold?

Kentucky has an African American head football coach right now and also had an African American coach win a National Championship in Men's Basketball. How have African Americans fared in getting head coaching jobs at Kansas?

Why was Bill Self hired as head coach instead of Danny Manning? Not white enough for your local rednecks?

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

Crow, implying that all of the posters on this site live in Lawrence is stupid. I live in STL for instance, and I know that many of the posters here are professionals that have graduated from this University. I understand that you have a beef with our program (Do not try to discredit this because you would not be here if you didn't). You are not welcome here.

Also, your rhetorical skills are mediocre. The posters on this site have extreme knowledge, creativity, and writing skills.

We post about basketball on this site. We enjoy arguing amongst ourselves about Tyshawn Taylor and Elijah Johnson's minutes. Kentucky fans get on our board and try to humiliate the good people of Kansas through insults over farming (we farm wheat by the way, not as much corn)

You are pathetic, and if given the chance to meet you face to face, I would have you eating your words very, very quickly!! Our citizens will continue to farm, our players will continue to dominate the rest of the country, and we will continue to post on this message board. I suggest you stay on yours

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

Turner Gill was just hired by Kansas you ignorant POS.

abrandt 10 years, 1 month ago

Is that the best you can do CROW? We have a Democrat as govenor and a black football coach. Oh, and BTW, Tubby was the most criticized person in the history of that god forsaken state. I wonder why?

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Well, tstanlick1909, since you consider 6-19 to be "dominating" I guess that also explains your understanding of what constitutes "extreme knowledge, creativity, and writing skills."

I don't give a flip if I'm welcome here or not. Your buddy up at the top of the page decided to go on a senile rant about Kentucky and so I had to remind him just how misguided and ridiculous his notions were... seeing as how your extremely knowledgeable, creative, and skilled writers must have missed out on a great portion of Kansas' basketball history. Probably busy with the "livestock" if you know what I mean. Them cold Kansas nights sure do make the pig farmers lonely.

The way I see it, I'm helping to educate you idiots so that next time you might keep your mouths shut and just nod quietly when Kentucky is mentioned seeing as we have it all over you in every conceivable way. Yeah, shutting up is something you Jayhawks need to work on and I'm just happy I can help you do that.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Wow! 2010 and Kansas has already hired a black football coach? Impressive! Now maybe in 2050 or so they might vote for a Democrat again if the football team does well.

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

That head to head record is meaningless dude, most of those games were back when the shorts were above the knee. I will work on finding the more recent head to head games between the two schools, because you have not beat us recently.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

"Recent" doesn't count as according to the NCAA you guys have been cheating your arses off and got caught (again) in 2006, right?

Oh, I forgot. Kansas is doing it "the right way." LOL.

cstewa04 10 years, 1 month ago

Crow - You just incriminated yourself. I said "Louisville and Lexington we're disgusting because there was a Liquor store and strip club a on every corner"...didn't say anything about the people. Guess your saying that those two things are tied to african-americans....sad...and I also guess the Racist kettle just called the pot black?

BTW - I've lived down south in Louisiana(large african american pop.) and I know that those terrible blights are not part of that culture.

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

We have played three times this decade and we are 3-0.

Haha, speaking of not counting to the NCAA, how about Calipari's final four seasons?

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Are you guys even off probation, yet? I can't believe the gall of this clown to write this article while the internet if full of "Kansas cheating" stories? Does he even read the paper, or does he just get let out of the attic to rant on stuff he knows nothing about then you wipe his drool off and send him back up?

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

That NIT championship was legit though, I think Kentucky was playing in the same tournament that year

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

If "the right way" is paying players, criminal activity going unpunished, improperly staffing your compliance office, not properly exercising institutional control over your program, funneling money to players, and flaunting every NCAA rule imaginable, then "YES" Kansas most certainly is winning "the right way" and I retract everything I said about the imbecile that wrote this blog.

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

The point is that Kentucky has not been a legitimate basketball school in over ten years. I am not knocking the legacy of Kentucky in the old days, understand that. Kentucky was so desperate to become legitimate again that they hired a coach that has committed major violations at his last two schools. That is not something I would be proud of, and Kentucky is not a school that I would be proud to root for. North Carolina is this year's Kentucky

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Oh my goodness. The Crow. I hope you don't have a significant other. Mine actually has a birthday today so I must confess that there is life outside the KU boards.

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

Don't worry Dyno, there is no chance that Crow is getting play today. Perhaps he is typing so diligently because he wants to perform "the stranger" when he google image searches Ashley Judd.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Looks like we're 2-3 posts away from the Kansas rednecks to start posting homophobic rants. They're already insinuating that I'm not married for some reason? I'm surprised they haven't also insinuated I'm a minority of some type yet?

They simply MUST establish that I am not like the rest of their lilly white reliably Republican state. Rush's people. Pure as the driven snow.

Show of hands, how many of you drive 4 wheelers and have shot something with a rifle in the last week?

wyansas 10 years, 1 month ago

Crow, you were kicking such ass until you played the race card and got political. I was enjoying it until then. Keep it factual.

tstanlick1909 10 years, 1 month ago

Nah Crow I was simply trying to explain how big of a loser I think you are. I'm about to begin drinking because I will surely have a snow day tomorrow. You've been on this site since about eleven this morning and I'm sure you will be on throughout the evening, boring our fellow posters with election results, population percentages, wiki articles and other garbage.

Kansas and Kentucky are both full of rednecks dude. The people on this site are either business professionals living in cities or college students like myself operating on campus. I do not own a four wheeler and I have never fired a gun.

You said my comments about you being single were comical. I was either absolutely correct, or you are for some reason not spending time with your significant other. Either way, you need to get a freaking life. I have some trim to go take care of, peace.

Heels1924 10 years, 1 month ago

Somehow stumbled onto this article while googling CBB.I've read most of these comments and must say as a lifetime Tarheel fan some of these are absurd.Momma always told me this is called "passing the buck".You will spend a lifetime going on about what you think totally has gone on with these programs.Roy is a Dean protege so it's hard for me to believe he would willfully break ncaa rules to win when his best players went early to the NBA, just like Deans.There is something about B.Self(E.Sutton protege) and J.Calipari that would lead a person to think they are shady.I think it's pretty good this man wrote this article since he gives me the pleasure of telling all Kentucky and Kansas BB fans that North Carolina has 1 probation compared to 9 for both UK/KU alltime.After all that cheating and North Carolina still owns you both in NCAA F4s,Tourney wins,Naismith Hall of Fame graduates,and in head to head matchups.Whatever!

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

I'm not getting political. I'm reminding them that a bright red state that hasn't voted for a Democratic candidate for President since 1964 needs to shut their clams up about race.

And I didn't play the race card. Did you miss this little gem from "abrandt":

"Lastly, I am so glad Jo Jo was out of bounds, otherwise the Baron of Halstead, Ks. might not have been exposed as the bigot he was. Yes, I am ashamed that Rupp was a Kansas grad. And every Kentucky fan should be ashamed as well. But they are not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great heritage you have there CROW!"

This whole blog is crazy. A team fresh off probation has some senile old lunatic write some insanely out-of-touch with reality blather about Kansas doing it "the right way" while sliming Kentucky's program and then the rest of these idiots all chime in and the next thing you know we've got... this.

So I started nothing. I'm just here to make sure these mouth breathing pork addled morons know that what goes around will come around and that they probably won't like it when it does.

hailtoku 10 years, 1 month ago

Yes-

The UNC and Kentucky fans are correct. In 1988 Kansas violated an NCAA rule banning them from the tournament.

Larry Brown bought one of his players a plane ticket so he could attend a funeral. We apologize.

bayareajhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Crow, you clearly have not been to Lawrence. The state of Kansas as a whole may be very conservative, but Lawrence is quite liberal. Your redneck barbs are more apt for Kansas State fans.

Come to Lawrence and see for yourself. I've lived in many beautiful/tolerant places, including all up and down the California coast. Though I'd have to put the scenic beauty of San Francisco above that of Lawrence, they are actually similarly tolerant. Other than Lawrence, the only other Midwestern city in which I would like to live is Chicago.

For the record, I have also been to Lexington many times. I grew up across the river in Indiana (don't hold it against me) and my dad/grandad took me to Keeneland a lot when I was growing up. I was actually in a Lexington hotel room when Christian Laettner hit that famous shot against UK. Town was a bit dead that night!

wyansas 10 years, 1 month ago

Here's what it comes down to: --This article sucks and should never have been written. I've been complaining about Mayer for a while. --Pains me to say it, but it's true: UK basketball is superior to KU basketball. Numbers don't lie. They have more wins, fewer losses, two more championships, and have beaten us more times than we've beaten them. The only things we have on them are a better home court (fact), tradition (fact), better fans (opinion), better mascot/nickname (opinion). --Both programs are equally corrupt. We have more major NCAA violations (5 to UK's 4), but, as the article explains, a lot of UK's transgressions occurred before the NCAA cared about handing out punishment. --Both sides will deny my next point but it's true. Both programs are a little jealous of each other. KU basketball has been on a roll the past few years, and this was supposed to be our year, but then Calipari (KU fans don't like him) and Kentucky joined up, creating a juggernaut that will compete for championships every single year for the foreseeable future. You're stealing our thunder. And UK's jealous of us because we're stealing their thunder as well. We're #1, and in their eyes undeservedly so. We've been a top program recently, they haven't. --We both want to play each other in the Final Four.

There. I'm done with this message board because it's not fun anymore.

The_Crow 10 years, 1 month ago

Too bad wyansas is done with this board because he's the only Kansas fan here that has a lick of sense.

BTW, I like the Kansas basketball program. The fans and the writers that like to pretend they're superior to Kentucky when by any objective standard they clearly aren't, not so much.

I'd love for Kentucky to play Kansas as that would mean we made it (at least) to the Final Four. Having won 10 times in 13 trips, I like our chances even though we do have basically 4 freshmen in the starting lineup while Kansas has an experienced veteran team. I think we're better at every position and I also think we have a higher ceiling than any team in the tournament. We've got 3 top 10 picks in our starting lineup and 4 top 20. Probably 7-8 pro players will eventually come from our team.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

about a story....anyone got any good personal stories to relate?

ok, i'll share one....ok, so a couple years ago i was living down in Augusta, GA - hometown of the hardest working man in show business back in the day and mister dyn-O-mite himself James Brown. It was a summer's evening and I was downtown listening to some good live music at a local favorite - the Soul Bar and guess who walks in? Coach Bill Self....soon followed by his good buddy and recently named uk coach, at the time, Billy Gillespie. Well it's not everyday in Augusta Georgia you catch a KU coach and a uk coach drinking a beer and chatting! (But actually if you're from August you know that with the annual AAU Peach Jam Tourny every summer such a sight isn't too uncommon.) Needless to say I wasn't going to let this sweet opportunity pass by without saying something to the two popular coaches.

Like alot of folks, including uk athletic administrators at the time, I was impressed with the job Coach Gillespie did at A&M and thought great things were in store for him at uk. I expressed my opinion of such to him along with wishing him luck in his new job. I also congratulated him on his previous successful season at A&M, in the process I made particular mention on what a great game and win his team had at the Fieldhouse that season with Acie Law having a stellar game. Well, having already introduced myself as a KU fan...Bill Self, upon hearing my congratulatory words to the opposing coach in a difficult home loss by His coached team, expressed disbelief in the validity of my claim to being a KU fan. I assured him i was and then I asked the 2 head coaches, beaming a big smile and mustering all the Jayhawk pride I had, which school won the conference season title? no verbal response was required obviously nor given.

It's all about perspective. We can take enjoyment from watching a well played game even if our team is not victorous and then instead of pouting, show good sportsmanship and express genuine congratulations to an opponent on a well played game.

This is one of the many traits of Bill Self i very much appreciate -- His sportsmanship and how he carries himself in both wins and loses.

Congratulations to UK and their fans for being the alltime winningest college mens basketball program and being the first program to meet the 2k milestone. Congratulations on the great season ya'll are currently having as well! good luck the rest of the way. I Hope the end of the season is a great one for both programs. Like every year we know there will be surprises and march madnesses and miracles yet to be enjoyed. What great things will we witness this year? will we witness a 2010 version of the comeback cats? or a team make a crazy comeback in the finals? what upsets and cinderellas will we have? and buzzerbeaters ... Hopefully all competitors and fans will remember to be gracious competitiors and show good sportsmanship.

KentuckyRifle 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey Crow, Great posts on the history of sleazy Kansas basketball. Bottom line: If you write a piece (like Mayer did) denigrating a great college basketball program while white-washing the sins of KU, you deserve to have your blog bombarded with UK fans coming to the defense.

But Crow, please don't denigrate the State of Kansas. I'm from Kentucky, but live in the DC/Maryland suburbs. Literally everyone of my neighbors thinks they are better than Kentuckians or Kansans or anyone who doesn't live on the East or West Coast. I despise these people, and I despise people who put down "hillbillies" and "corn farmers." While my jack-arse neighbors are all upside-down in their housing-bubble houses, people in Kentucky and Kansas, who don't live their lives to impress others, are holding up ok. BTW Crow, please note that the housing bubble in my area and in the Blue areas of the country (California, Las Vegas, Miami, New Jersey, etc.) was caused by race-based housing programs, good-intentioned of course, but devastating nonetheless. Finally, KU fans, let's stop the "Adolph Rupp was a racist" garbage. Even Duke had an all-white team in 1966. There is nothing I hate more than listening to a bunch of white liberals talk about racism, the same white liberals that send their kids to private schools, live in all-white communities, etc. I live next to these white liberals, and their idea of diversity is hanging around affluent Prince of Bel Air type African Americans. How phony.

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

Here's the lesson I've learned from our visitors:

1) Adolph Rupp: definitely not a racist.

2) Kansas is a racist state, because there are both Republicans and white people in the state (whereas Kentucky contains neither white people nor Republicans).

2) Kentucky cheated to get 2000 wins, but so did Kansas to some extent, so shut-up!

3) Kentucky fans are so holier than thou that they couldn't care less about Kansas or its fans.

4) Kentucky fans are irate that a journalist (who honestly no one ever reads - I'm serious, I have never finished a Bill Maher column in my life) would ever dare repeat what others have said on many occasions.

Seriously, I must admit I've gained respect for Kentucky fans with this back-and-forth. KFHB, Crow, and Rifle are doing the exact same thing KU fans would do if the same had been said about Kansas. Honestly, though, who wouldn't love to see KU and UK play in the tournament, or on a regular basis in the non-conference season? Personally, I've never had anything against Kentucky until they hired Calipari, and I admit I'm probably wrong about that. It's kind of like hating Tim Tebow. All the guy does is be a good person and win, and for some irrational reason I hate him for that.

Anyway, maybe it's because the weekend has put me in a good mood, but I wish the best to you Kentucky fans, and hopefully this argument will be settled in April.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentuckyrifle and thecrow, I would like to thank you, because of your posts you may have single handedly had Bill Mayer fired from the LJW. The man is the worst and there are several that would agree with me. So again thank you for helping get this guy out of here.

FYE34 10 years, 1 month ago

Bayareajayhawk, YOU DO NOT HAVE 5 NATIONAL TITLES. YOU HAVE THREE!!!!!!!! Stop trying to count that Helms title crap because no one else does it besides you and UNC. National titles started in 1939. Quit trying to church it up...YOU HAVE THREE!

nocutesynickname 10 years, 1 month ago

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nocutesynickname 10 years, 1 month ago

On an aside to the numbnuts who stated that Kansas has five National championships; child, please. We have Helms championships, too (in fact, we have seven) but we don't count them because they weren't earned in competition. But, hey, if it makes you feel like somebody, go ahead and count yours, but if you do, count ours too. That gives us a 14-6 edge on national championships (NCAA and Helms combined). Feel better now? Nah, didn't think so.

nocutesynickname 10 years, 1 month ago

Oops. Forgot UK's NIT championship in 1946, back when the NIT was meaningful. That makes it 15-6.

Ryan Shelton 10 years, 1 month ago

For some who have stereotyped: 1) I am a republican and white. Does this somehow make me a racist? 2) The last time I shot something was in November. I shot two deer then donated them to a local family in need who had no meat for the winter and seven hungry mouths. Does this somehow make me a redneck? 3) I go to church. Does this somehow make me unenlightened?

Some on this site would like to make the world believe that my kind (no matter in what state my kind reside) are a bunch of racist, unenlightened rednecks. By the way, I also teach English and write novels in my spare time (when I am not watching KU on the tube.)

I spent over an hour trying to get through this mess of hate. Let's all agree on one thing: Please let KU and UK meet in the Big Dance this year so that this debate can be settled on the court.

Please let the petty comments cease. They don't solve anything. There are good people in both Kansas and Kentucky.

RCJHGKU

chirop1 10 years, 1 month ago

I'm reminded of an old proverb about people living in glass houses and something about throwing stones... according to the ncaa major infraction data base (yes, virginia, there is such a beast) there have been 305 major basketball infractions since Jan 1953 (with UK holding the honor of having the first).

Eyeballing it and doing a rough sort, here are the programs with 3 or more infactions (the number of infractions will be in parentheses and, unless otherwise noted, assume the infractions occurred over multi decades)

Auburn University (3) Baylor University(3) Bradley (4) Cal State, Fresno (3) Centenary Coll (3) Florida State (4) Grambling State (3) LSU (4) McNeese State (3) New Mexico State (3) North Carolina State (4) Texas A&M (3) Ohio State (3) Univ of Buffalo, SUNY (3) UCLA (3) Cincinnati (4) Dayton (3) UGA (3) Univ of Ill (Champaign) (3) Kansas (5) UK (4) Univ of Louisiana, Laf (3) UL (3) Memphis (4) Univ of Minn, Twin Cities (5) UNLV (3) San Francisco (3) all within 5 years South Carolina (3) Univ of Texas, Pan American (4) Univ of Wisconsin, Madison (3) West Texas A&M (3) Western Kentucky (3) Wichita State (4)

Now in no way am I trying to justify Kentucky's 4 violations (wrong is wrong) but I would hardly hold up a team with MORE violations as some sort of paragon of virtue. The original article is intellectually dishonest.

As to the race allegations, its a popular misconception that was even perpetuated by Hollywood that Adolph Rupp was a racist; however, years before Rupp ever took the Kentucky job he had black players on the high school team he coached. Additionally, Kentucky was one of the first SEC schools to advocate for integration but was roundly denied by the rest of the conference.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

Well, well. Coaches wanted to play black players but did not because they were afraid for their saftey. Teach me more about your wonderful commonwealth.

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

I cannot believe that people to this day defend racism on any level. Yes, Kansas has its share of whackos, too. You will never find me rationlizing irrational behavior. For those of you that, do - I can only ask that you not pass this to your children or theirs.

Back to basketball.

Pscc8082 10 years, 1 month ago

Another wannabe that is jealous of the UK program. This one just happens to be a journalist that is a fan of KU! We understand everyone wants the tradition and excellence that UK shows every game. When they can't achieve it, they post stories like this one!

dwayne44 10 years, 1 month ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but the last Ntl. Champ. Kansas won, they were on PROBATION!!! Uneducated people drive me crazy! Glad Kansas runs a clean program Bill...

serpico71 10 years, 1 month ago

Bill interestingly did not bring up the racism that Rupp is accused of, as Kansas and every other university has to account for racist policies during their first 1000 victories without a black player. So why don't we just let that one loose> I read about all of this years ago. What is the purpose of this article popping up in a KANSAS newspaper? Trying to get some media help on a recruit?

jmiketaylor 10 years, 1 month ago

Dear Bill,

Can I also make up a story while using with no research or facts? I am very good at making back-handed innuendos and presenting unsubstantiated evidence as truths.

But Here is one fact you cannot deny. KU's last title was won while on probation. And in case you need a reminder, this was done under then reigns of Mr, Clean, Roy Williams, now at that other "honest" establishment, UNC.

trujoker 10 years, 1 month ago

Just so you know NO school has been put on probation more that KU. None, not one, no UK, not UNC, not even Cleveland St, so say what you will about others the fact remains you are not untainted by any means.

UK2K 10 years, 1 month ago

How convenient that you forget to include that KU’s last championship was won while they were… drumroll please… ON PROBATION. Is this inane article a representative sample of what passes for intelligent sports commentary in Kansas? I certainly hope not. It's certainly not journalism. Heavy on accusations, absent of any evidence. Laughable.

I've read more interesting articles written by freshmen interns. This article should be filed under "There's no fool like an old fool." Next time, try getting up out of your Rascal and move around a bit... let the blood circulate before you write another Kansas' kooky curmudgeon column... The blood has clearly drained from your head long ago...

UKFORLIFE 10 years, 1 month ago

Roy Williams left KU, they went on probation, do you think KU was clean all the previous years, doubtful. Do you think he has changed his tactics at UNC? doubtful. KU has been on probation more recently than UK. KU has 5 major probation's compared to UK 4. Don't try to make KU the clean bird, you have a page or two of your own. By the way UK had to sit out a full year because of the point shaving. They were not and are not the school that the NCAA looks over. UK first to 1000 and first to 2000 although they have played 160 games less than KU over the history of the two programs.

Dylan Shmalberg 10 years, 1 month ago

All I have to say is wow. Who knew this article would get UK fans so worked up, then again I would be mad if someone posted something like this about Kansas. So its understandable UK fans want to defend their school, but I have no idea why they would want to defend someone like Calipari. I first would like to thank the UK fans for providing me with some entertainment on this cold day, and killing and desire I had to go to Kentucky. As for all the insults I don't think that was necessary. It probably is not wise to attempt to claim moral superiority, and then call someone a retard. As for the cheating I am sure everyone and there grandma has cheated at one point in there life. So go back to your blog UK fans, and let this be settled on the court.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 1 month ago

if you don't like KU, you're a miseable person who is likely hated by most everyone that knows you. #1? KANSAS. not #1? everyone else.

BIGGEST SUCK IT EVER, clowns!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

michelangelo 10 years, 1 month ago

As a University of Kentucky graduate, I am offended by your pathetic slam at the University of Kentucky's basketball program. It is a petty person who tears down one program in a needless attempt to build up another program. This is journalism at its worst.

Dylan Shmalberg 10 years, 1 month ago

The UK fans commenting on this article are like a broken record just repeating themselves. This article is stupid, we are better than KU, I want attention, love me, this article is pathetic, we are better than KU, i want attention. It is getting old so if you could get creative with your comments that would be great. thank you

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

To all Kentucky fans,

You people must be the biggest morons ever!!!! Why would Bill Mayer write an article about Kentucky having past issues with cheating, when Kansas has had the same problems if not more. Answer...........to get you people to read. And from the likes of it, it is working. The more Kentucky people come on here spouting there hatred the more the LJW makes money from you idiots. So please keep coming we and they obviously want you too. Kentucky fans coming on this site = money.

BigBlueBalls 10 years, 1 month ago

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crazy4jayhawks 10 years, 1 month ago

Why are we so infatuated with Kentucky. We need to get over this, act like we have been there before. And let's not forget we were the last program out of those three to be placed on probation in 2005 with self imposed violations

KY_friend 10 years, 1 month ago

I think the writer protests too much. I think it's sour grapes. There few, if any, NCAA teams that haven't broken the rules, sometimes they get caught, sometimes they don't. I think you might be envious.

catfan4ever 10 years, 1 month ago

Jealousy rears it's ugly head...clean up your own program and stop worrying about UK's past.

BigBlueBalls 10 years, 1 month ago

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bayareajhawk 10 years, 1 month ago

To those who protest at the counting of Helms titles as national championships: what happens when the BCS is finally replaced by a playoff? Does that mean everyone will start from scratch with 0 football championships? Will we tell USC and Oklahoma that they have never been the national champions? I don't think so. Since we've had the tournament, by all means look that champion. But pre-tournament we've only got the Helms. And I'm going to keep counting them.

As for Kentucky having 7 Helms Championships, you do. You have '33, '48, '49, '51, '54, '58 and '78. If we count your pre-tournament Helms (1) and your tournament championships (7) you've got 8 championships. That's outstanding, and something to be proud of. We've got 5, so after a couple more Bill Self years we ought to be seeing eye to eye.

bkr5 10 years, 1 month ago

NCAA Penalty Hits KU Hard Tournament play prohibited after '88-'89 basketball season..... and the stories go on and on and on.. Nice Glass house you live in guys..

bigbluetruth 10 years, 1 month ago

How ironic is it that this article was written on the heels of a Kansas probationary period? I believe that the phrase "thou doth protest too much" might apply here. In addition, wasn't Kansas banned from postseason play in 1989 (yes, the same year that Kentucky's ban began) for illegal benefits given to players? This elitist attitude is more than a bit disingeniuous. Concentrate on cleaning-up your own program before you go bashing on others.

chirop1 10 years, 1 month ago

"If Bill wants to write an article showing superiority over Kentucky he should best tackle the race issue, not the rules infractions angle. There exists an abundance of resources covering UK and the SEC on the issue of racism..."

There's plenty of embarassing stuff to go around for everyone on that topic. NO school is clear of any taint of racism in the past. Sadly its a institutional fact at nearly every college in the country that admittance was denied to students based on the color of their skin. Is it really worth arguing over who played a black player in 1948 over 1963? Both are shameful.

But that's not what this article is about. The article is about cheating in college sports. And as you correctly pointed out, Kansas has more major violations than Kentucky. I wonder if the author even knew that when he wrote it? Its also easy to say that Kentucky committed violations during the TRUMAN ADMINISTRATION! How long are we supposed to hang on to that? At what point does it become valid to point out that the school has now played two full decades of college basketball without even a hint of violation? At what point is it relevant to point out that Kansas has been placed on probation TWICE since the last time Kentucky was penalized?

Yes, Mr. Mayer has finally figured out that the way to drive hits to the internet is to rile up the Kentucky fanbase. Well done. (About a decade behind the times... but well done nonetheless.) What he has not done is researched an unbiased piece of reporting. Leave this sort of drivel to partisan bloggers. I expect more from someone paid to produce content.

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kyblue 10 years, 1 month ago

As a long time UK fan I laugh at such ignorant irresponsible journalism. Hate all you want like it or not WE ARE BACK!!!!!

bkr5 10 years, 1 month ago

drgnslayr.. very well said, please come to our sites and help stoke the fire alittle for the likely game in early April. Go Big Blue

JayhawkBigXII 10 years, 1 month ago

bkr5 - we'll gladly come over to your sites to help stoke the fire. Could you please list some of the better ones? Rock Chalk Jayhawk

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

My dream matchup in Kansas Kentucky. Probably will take a miracle to happen, but KU is not short on miracles.... Thanks to the sensible folks that came out. Unfortunately, for you guys (and some of us) :) your traffic here probably tenured 'Ole Bill for life. You should read some of his stuff - he was writing waaaaaaay back and still writes about some of the matchups when the tournament was held in Kansas City back in mid-20th Century. If nothing else some of his stuff details how things were back then not just in terms of basketball, but also some of the stories behind the scenes on relationships, details of the inner-workings of programs in those days, what people had to do to get to the game, what newspapers were writing about, etc. In this case he pissed you guys off pretty badly (obviously) but like I said, some of his stuff has certainly interested me. Peace in the Middle East, and see you:

  1. Next time we lose
  2. In the tournament
  3. After we slap 20 on your hinds for the 2010 championship 3 a. Or after you beat us. Which would suck. So be nice if that happens.

LPH_hawkfan 10 years, 1 month ago

I've been sitting back and watching this story (if that's what you call it) unfold and I've been reading all the comments and all I can think is, WOW!!! This is kinda fun for both of these programs. Although, I don't know why Bill would write something like this when KU is knocking on the door of 2000 wins themselves, a possible undefeated confrence season, and another possible NCAA championship for Coach Self. It just seems that there are so many other things that he can be focusing on instead. Also, why is 2000 wins such a milestone? I mean really the only peeps that seem to care are either KU, UNC, or UK. There is also going to be 3000, 4000, and so on and so on.

As far as the cheating thing goes, EVERYBODY cheats!!! Or at least every school cheats. There is a gray area where in which every major college coach seems to operate. Yes there are rules but the rules are bent and the envelope is pushed. It's a fact, and for anyone to think that "their" school is the only one not pushing that envelope and every other shcool is cheating, well then you my friend, live in a fairy-tale world. That's why I dont agree with Bill writing this article. KU has broken the rules in the past and ,news flash, it's probably gonna happen again at some point in time. I just hope it's not under Coach Self's watch, he's seems to be a humble, decent, respectable man. Yes UK fans your school has also broken the rules in the past and you know what?, it's probably gonna happen again. It's just the way it is with major college sports.

I've really enjoyed reading some of the comments on here posted by both parties. There is much passion on both sides. UK has a great program. KU has a great program. This is way the it's supposed to be with the best of the best. But for those of you who only post hateful, name calling, meaning-less comments, try and act like an adult. Unless of course you're only 12 then by all means nevermind, fire away. I do hope that we meet in April, it would be a game for the ages I'm sure.

Good luck to you UK and I'm sure you'll be cheering us on tonight as we take on Texas A&M tonight right? HAHAHAHA

Rock Chalk Jayhawk baby!!!!!!!

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

i am not a writer nor a journalist, but i hear they write with a target audience in mind. Its not too hard to figure out who that is for Bill Mayer.

Yes this article is on the internet and open for all to read and comment on. however keep in mind bill mayer's target audience and why he is writing this article. His goal was not solely to tear down KY but to increase KU's fan's sense of pride in their program's 2k win milestone. Most KU fans would probably agree that we dont need to tear down anybody else to feel like we're still the number 1 alltime college mens basketball program. Still, whats life and sports without controversy? and there is clearly a lot of sports writers who make controversy their writing focus.

Also the word unbias and bias gets throw around too much in journalism and writing and used as criticism and alot of times its used unjustifiably. When should writers be unbiased? Which writers should be unbiased?

I like hearing my world news unbiasedly. I expect bbc, nbc, cnn, etc to try and be unbiased. Its impossible to be completely unbiased. One should expect a sports writer for a particular team to be biased! and one would expect fans of a opposing team to react negatively if their team is on the receiving end of that biasedness. smart fans realize all of this obviously. cant help and just chuckle at all the silly comments. i'm sure bill mayer hasnt stopped chuckling since he wrote this.

-Bill Mayer,

would you please comment on this message board and either confirm or deny your chuckling?

UKFORLIFE 10 years, 1 month ago

By the way over history UK and KU have played 25 times and it stands in the records. UK 19 KU 6. In the past the two schools played annually during the Rupp era. Rupp owned KU.

UKFORLIFE 10 years, 1 month ago

I've stirred the pot enough! I'm gone. SELAH

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

rupp = product of KU thus KU owned itself, interesting concept you are your worst enemy - is that what they? the last decade hasnt seen the most entertaining KU/uk competition ... i believe another K school has taken that spot.... and how about that ksu/KU thing we got happening of late? glad to see it, hope it lasts, hope KU/uk continues with the way its current collison courses are taking them and lasts awhile

KYHIGH 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky is King and will always be King of College Basketball. KU and UNC are wanna be's. We will settle all scores on the court. Kentucky beat NC and is ready with a very young team to kick KU's hiney. Lets do it. Quit whining. I thought a true journalist was supposed to be impartial and just report the facts. Mayer, that is Journalism 101, you probably got a C or less. I got an A, sorry, just the facts.

-KC

mikehammer 10 years, 1 month ago

Hey Bill - ever read the New York Times? What's that old saying about folks that live in glass houses? [See below}

"N.C.A.A. Acts Against Kansas AP Published: November 2, 1988 [New York Times]

MISSION, Kan., Nov. 1— The National Collegiate Athletic Association today barred Kansas, the defending basketball champion, from post-season play in 1989 and placed the school on probation for three years for recruiting violations. Kansas will be the first N.C.A.A. champion in basketball not allowed to defend its title.

The N.C.A.A. also ordered the school to show cause why it should not be penalized further if it fails to disassociate three unnamed boosters from the program, ''based upon their involvement in violations of N.C.A.A. rules.'' 'Death Penalty' Considered

The N.C.A.A. said it seriously considered shutting down the Kansas basketball program for an entire year. Only Southern Methodist's football program has been punished with the so-called ''death penalty,'' which can be used for repeated violations.

The Kansas football program served a two-year probation from 1983-85, and newly enacted N.C.A.A. legislation specifies that when a school is convicted of two major violations within five years, the sport involved in the second penalty is subject to suspension.

The N.C.A.A. said Kansas's violations included improper inducements with a total value of at least $1,244 to the recruit, including clothing and airline tickets.

Brown left Kansas last spring after winning the national championship. He is coaching the San Antonio Spurs of the National Basketball Association. No Appeal

''Because we believe the university effectively presented its case, and we believe the N.C.A.A. committee gave us a fair hearing, we will not appeal,'' Bob Frederick, Kansas's athletic director, said at a news conference today".

UKFORLIFE 10 years, 1 month ago

KU following the NCAA championship under Larry Brown 1988, the NCAA handed down to KU a stiff violation. They did not play the following season. That's not taint? and from 02 thru 05 under Roy (and he knew) they again were put on probation. They had two major violations in 18 years. They have 5 major violations. That's not taint? By rights the 88 championship should have been vacated, by the way KU was dealt with as compared to Memphis, the NCAA owes Memphis an apology and a restore of their wins.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

does a Jayhawk hatch?

i don't know my biology or zoology or mythology or whatever it is but all birds hatch right? anyways, them hawks have laid a pretty egg this year and there's only one way it can hatch happily for all the fans and friends of the feathered one. regardless of how high our mythical mascot ascends this year has already given us more memorable moments than any one team could humbly hope for. Greed is colored gold and black not crimson and blue.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

ukforlife-

dont be silly. theres a reason why the 1988 championship wasnt vacated and a reason why our 02-05 season wins are still legit and again a reason memphis' wins were not legit. i believe the NCAA has been fair and just in their penalties of late. the rules broken should have an effect on the penalty given. clearly. when you get caught for speeding what is a proper penalty? the death penalty if given at all should only result when someone takes anothers life, yes? makes senses.

which is why our penalties for DUI/DWI dont make sense to me. we are too lenient. we should follow most the other countries in the world's example and make the penalties for breaking such a law much more severe.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

kyhigh-

boasting of a win over UNC after they lost most of their team and are having an obviously difficult season is not much to boast of. further, boasting of one win while your team has endured a difficult decade and reversely UNC has recently topped the poduim twice would make me think twice before bragging. poor form

UKisbetterthanKU 10 years, 1 month ago

Dear Mr. Mayer, Let's get a few things straight before you write another piece bashing Kentucky again. Number One: You claim Kentucky doesn't get tough punishment from the NCAA. Remember the 1989 season? Yeah... I'd say you do.... you look old enough to remember... moving on. Number Two: You claim Adolph Rupp is a tainted coach. Coach Rupp was NEVER caught committing any NCAA violations. The closest Rupp came to committing a violation was the scandal in the '50s in which it was his players that were caught point-shaving... why would Rupp want to do that? Number Three: You say Rupp used illegal recruiting tactics back in the '30s to win 386 of those 2,011 wins. If he did do that, is there honestly any proof or documentation of it? No. Also, I'm sure those clean, honest, whole-hearted guys at UNC or Kansas would NEVER do anything with that if they knew they weren't going to get caught! Face it, Kentucky reached 2,000 first, and your Jayhawks didn't. Sorry we're better. Sincerely, Kentucky Basketball

KYHIGH 10 years, 1 month ago

ku2004daniel: North Carolina was ranked 4th when KENTUCKY beat them. Enough said...

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KYHIGH, You must be high if you think North Carolina was a good win.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KYHIGH, You must be high if you think North Carolina was a good win.

KYHIGH 10 years, 1 month ago

jayhawkinmullen: You are right I am High, by name only. A win is a win. Get over it. Stop smoking stuff that may not be legal....

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KYHIGH, Your mom is going down tonight.

KYHIGH 10 years, 1 month ago

They pulled it out, Kansas survived.

KYHIGH 10 years, 1 month ago

jayhawkinmullen: Street trash talk totally uncalled for. We prove it on the court. Sticks and stones. Hopefully you will be removed.

Rhsiv 10 years, 1 month ago

After spending about an hour reading this article and some of the comments, I realize that I need to stop, but I just can't without commenting myself. So I took another 5 -10 to register to a site that I will most likely never visit again to do so (yes, I am pathetic). I did not read through all of the comments, because it's getting late and I'm tired, so hopefully I'm not repeating someone else, but I have some realizations I have to share, as well as an idea that could bring solution! 1. Just so everyone knows, I am a Kentucky fan, and I'm quite biased at that. I am equally (at times) embarrassed by my "trueblueness," so hopefully that is enough to get a little patience from everyone. 2. I look at the whole "cheating" in college sports thing differently than most of the comments that I read. I think it's obvious at this point that any school that has been consistently good has made at least a few morally compromising decisions to get there. Here's the way I see it. Certain coaches are great, typically because of their creativity. Their ability to come up with tricky plays to get guys open and clever defenses to shut down seemingly unstoppable players is what makes them great. So why is anyone surprised when they take that same attitude to the recruiting world. Obviously, there are occasions of blatant rule breaking, but pressure can do crazy things to people and that doesn't make it okay, but it happens. The reality is that when one school gets in trouble it hurts the entire sport, regardless of what us biased fans think. 3. As for some of the comments, I read several blogs about UK basketball and I've read much worse articles by similar bloggers in Kentucky about schools that matter even less. It's the nature of the sport, but one thing we all need to admit is that we are all suckers. This lazy article has sparked a heated debate and suckered idiots (like myself) to sign up to a website to possibly just comment one time. So let's all just take a minute and laugh at ourselves, we are all idiots and probably a little bit crazy. While reading this article and comments I felt such an array of emotions, I must be nuts, that is the only conclusion I can make.

Solution: KU, UK and UNC probably have more fans put together than any other three teams of any sport, so here is my plan. I think we should rally for a new pre-conference play tourney, where KU, UK, UNC, UCLA, Indiana and Duke all play to claim some sort of "legacy crown" each year. If we all insist don't you think it would happen? Can we as fans of all different teams push for this!?!? And push our collective greatness far beyond the others??

Oh, and Go Cats!!!

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

kyhigh-

dec 5 2009

4 uk - 68

11 unc - 66

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

rhsiv -

great proposal i'm all for it!

kyhigh -

your handle is appropriately backed up by your skewed recollection of your own games....let us go back to the 5th of December 2009 shall we....a month into the young season the reigning ncaa champs came into rupp arena for a highly anticipated battle of ranked teams and the top two winningest programs. let us remember correctly though, uk was the one ranked #4 and unc the underdogs #11. As most knowledgable fans and good coaches constantly remind everyone, early rankings are.......meaningless. and this is a good example of the meaninglessness of early season rankings. yes unc lost 4 starters from the previous season. yes they are young, as is uk. this unc team was considered a good team then ...good enough to be ranked #11 with only a syracuse loss on the season and i still consider them a good team despite their 14-11 record. the acc is always a tough league. how many losses would they have playing in the sec or the big12. who knows.

lets go back to the game....uk and john wall were stomping roys boys. then the classic roys boys 2nd half comeback act began to bring it to within 2 late with john wall securing the win hitting 2 free throws with only 4.3 seconds left....a meaningless unc three at the end provided the final score. so how good was this win that snapped uk's 5 game losing streak to unc? how good is unc? I think unc's potential is high...they obviously are struggling to beat some good acc competition. they have as many mcdonalds all-whatevers on there team as anyone probably. they just are young, again like uk. uk's youth makes their great season that much more impressive. still...still you can not gloat over this win as a uk fan. it was a good win...anytime you beat unc and or a team of roy's it is a good win at least. but If you had beat him last year....that would have been a super duper win. if you had beat his 2007 team in the final four that would have bean a great win or how about beating roy's 1997 team in the ncaa tourny like arizona did - that would have been bragging rights........unc has suffered some lopsided losses this season....while comparing losses doesnt prove much, it is interesting and fun to look at.....so....here u go...unc has losses at HOME to wake by 13pts and uva by 15; and how does unc's 2 pt away loss to uk look compared to some of their other away losses? well theyve lost to clem by 19 and md by 21 and then there was the loss at COFC by 3 in OT. well it looks like out of all their losses their uk loss was one of the more competitive games for them.

but it shouldnt have been competitive at all and it wasnt, uk was running away with this game in the first half until mister wall cramped up and became dehydrated.....which brings up a question several have asked and many have wondered, what if...? and how good is uk without...?

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

granted....u take the best player off any team and they become just another top 25 team. but if wall doesnt come back that 2nd half..with the way the 2nd half was going, unc probably pulls that one out and roy is hailed as the hall of fame coach he is. so....long story short - uk's 1996th win over #11 unc by 2 at rupp was a good win.

a wins a win like everyone has said a zillion times over it doesnt matter if u beat m-oh by only 2 or it takes OT to get by stanford, as long as you survive.....and yes KU should have lost to a&m tonight but...like u said we survived.

but if .....u hadnt survived that stanford game or m-oh.....ooooooh man....but the if word is silly ....you survived we survived.......we're perfect in big12 play uk is almost perfect in conference play uk is 2 we are not 2 uk was 1 early in the season i could care less if KU is 1 right now

its only right that uk and KU should play that last game right? but it never happens like that....upsets....injuries.....oh how i hope that dreaded "i" word doesn't plague either team down the stretch...that the dream will stay alive and the anticipation will continue to build to rupp arena sized proportions.

jayavii 10 years, 1 month ago

http://josephmathieu.blogspot.com/20...l-history.html

Brandon Rush commits to Kansas basketball program. Rush narrowed his college choices to Illinois and Oklahoma. Rumors are that he couldn't qualify at Illinois or Oklahoma. He decided he would have to enter the draft straight from high school as he couldn't qualify at a D1 university, except it looked as though he wouldn't be a first round selection, something his brother already had happen to him. His brothers talked him out of it. Two weeks after school started he got into KU and even though he at times carried a 0.0 GPA in high school managed to get a 3.6 at KU while missing the first two weeks of classes. This strangely coincided with the same time frame which their compliance department was noted to be severely understaffed and inadequate by the NCAA and academic fraud was occurring.

Sherron Collins commits to Kansas amidst various media reports that he was steered by his coach Anthony Longstreet, (More on Longstreet in a future post), considered by Chicago Public League coaches as the new Landon "Sonny" Cox for his ability to recruit players to Crane. Scheduled visits promised to various other schools are abruptly canceled. Afterward, Longstreet, without being prompted or even accused of taking money, bizarrely challenged local sportswriters to "get the proof, produce the canceled check.'' Thereafter, Longstreet refused to ever speak again on the subject. He explained, "Right now, I've been told to be quiet because this stuff is getting too ugly."

Darnell Jackson is ruled ineligible by NCAA Eligibility Committee for nine games for receipt of $5,000 in benefits from a Kansas booster over a three year period while being recruited by Kansas.

jayavii 10 years, 1 month ago

A cbssportsline.com article suggests that J.R. Giddens is also ultimately wrapped up in the Darnell Jackson scandal, questioning: "Did Don Davis also have a "relationship" with Jackson's best friend and former AAU teammate, J.R. Giddens, the McDonald's All-American who signed with Kansas in 2003? Because if the answer is yes, Kansas has a big, big, big problem."

2005-2006 Season Kansas loses to Nevada at home, 72-70, falling to a record of 2-3 for the first time in over 30 years. After the game, ESPN TV cameras captured an exchange between Kansas University assistant coach Joe Dooley and 19 year old Nevada player Nick Fazekas. When Fazekas held out his hand to shake Dooley's in an apparent show of sportsmanship, Dooley instead screamed "F*** YOU!!!!" directly at Fazekas. Afterward, Coach Bill Self reprimanded Dooley stating: "Obviously, in a hotly contested game like this one, emotions were high after the game. Coach Joe Dooley responded in an inappropriate manner to an exchange with a Nevada player." Coach Dooley added: "I have great respect for the Nevada team. They played well tonight. I responded in a negative manner to something that was said to me following the game. I certainly apologize to the Nevada program and this is not the manner in which Kansas basketball should be represented."

Reports surface regarding an NCAA investigation into potential violations involving Kansas freshman Brandon Rush. The potential violations centered around Rush's involvement with an agent and possible payment of travel expenses by NBA teams the previous summer during Rush's workouts with the teams.

The NCAA suspends Brandon Rush after the NCAA determined that he had improperly received benefits from an agent after applying for the 2005 NBA draft. An appeal by Kansas is granted within one day and Rush is re-instated without missing any games.

Kansas loses to in-state rival Kansas State at home, 59-55.

Micah Downs announces he is transferring from the Kansas basketball program.

Following up the once in the last 20 year accomplishment of losing in the first round of the NCAA tournament, Self manages to again accomplish this feat by losing to Bradley, 77-73. Considerable pressure mounts as "win at all costs" goes into full effect when the fan base begins to call for his firing.

2006 Off-season Christian Moody becomes the first Jayhawk player since the 1980s to not be eligible for his graduation checks from alumni, as the pending investigation causes KU to cease such open forms of paying their players. Later, his agent writes a note requesting video of him missing free throws to lose a game to Missouri be taken down from youtube.com as he feels it is hindering his client from finding gainful employment.

The NCAA responds that KU failed to demonstrate Institutional control and that the minor violations self reported in basketball in KU's report do not seem to be all-inclusive.

jayavii 10 years, 1 month ago

KU is placed on probation for major violations across multiple sports and for Lack of Institutional Control. The committee seems impressed with KU'sKU didn't detect or report violations in a timely manner, which resulted in them being able to claim a statue of limitations on many violations and go unpunished), however they are still charged with: •Illegal payments given to potential recruits •Illegal payments given to current players with the approval of coaching staff •Illegal payments given to players after eligibility is exhausted •Providing illegal transportation to recruits Providing illegal clothing and other benefits to recruits •Providing illegal transportation to family members of recruits •Making special arrangements to facilitate a vehicle for family members of recruits. •Academic Fraud •Failure to report violations •Failure to employ a compliance auditor •Negligence to provide adequate oversight •Lack of Institutional Control

KU is placed on three years probation including reduction in the total of grants-in-aid award in the men's basketball program to no more than 12 during the 2007-08 and 2008-09 seasons. Also reduced the total of official paid visits by a total of eight from the maximum number allowed during the 2006-07 and 2007-8 academic years, dissociation of a representative of the university's athletics interest for a period of four years, and annual compliance reporting required. innovative strategy of eliminating the middleman (by electing to not maintain a compliance department, Summation: probation and a reduction in 2 scholarships to be taken in the years KU chooses for the above violations.

CJ Giles is suspended indefinitely.

Giles re-instated to team, then 5 days later kicked off team for misdemeanor battery to his girlfriend.

2006-2007 Season Despite what most consider Self's best coaching job to date, he is under enormous pressure as the NCAA tournament get underway as most feel a repeat of the last two years will cost him his job. Self's Jayhawks do advance before being knocked out by UCLA, 68-55.

jayavii 10 years, 1 month ago

2007-2008 Season Brandon Rush arrested for failing to appear in court. The hearing is ultimately delayed until after the basketball season.

Self begins to be courted by Oklahoma State to take over their head coaching vacancy. KU beings to make a strong push to retain Self despite the distraction it is causing.

The beneficiaries of a historic collapse by Memphis, who led by nine points with two minutes to play and could have done about five different things to ensure KU had no chance of getting back in the game, KU wins its second national title of the modern era. They are the first team ever to win a championship while on probation for cheating, and every player on KU's roster who played more than 21 minutes in the championship game had a shady story surrounding them. 2008 offseason Self claims he wants to stay at Kansas, but won't rule out talking to OSU. He elects to stay at KU. Reports surface that Darell Arthur, KU's leading scorer in the championship game, did not actually pass high school and passed through the NCAA clearinghouse by submitting fraudulent transcripts. If ruled ineligible, per NCAA rules KU would be required to forfeit all games in which Arthur was a participant, which would result in KU being the first ever 40 loss team in a single season, the worst season in the history of the NCAA.

Listing of NCAA rules he was in clear violation of:

10.1 UNETHICAL CONDUCT Unethical conduct by a prospective or enrolled student-athlete or a current or former institutional staff member (e.g., coach, professor, tutor, teaching assistant, student manager, student trainer) may include, but is not limited to, the following: (d) Knowingly furnishing the NCAA or the individual's institution false or misleading information concerning the individual's involvement in or knowledge of matters relevant to a possible violation of an NCAA regulation;

(g) Failure to provide complete and accurate information to the NCAA or institution's admissions office regarding an individual's academic record (e.g., schools attended, completion of coursework, grades and test scores)

jayavii 10 years, 1 month ago

10.4 DISCIPLINARY ACTION Prospective or enrolled student-athletes found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be ineligible for further intercollegiate competition, subject to appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of eligibility. (See Bylaw 10.3.2 for sanctions of student-athletes involved in violations of 10.3.) Institutional staff members found in violation of the provisions of this regulation shall be subject to disciplinary or corrective action as set forth in Bylaw 19.5.2.2 of the NCAA enforcement procedures, whether such violations occurred at the certifying institution or during the individual's previous employment at another member institution.

14.01.3.3 Unethical Conduct. A prospective or enrolled student-athlete who is found to have engaged in unethical conduct (see Bylaw 10.1) shall be ineligible for intercollegiate competition in all sports.

14.11.1 Obligation of Member Institution to Withhold Student-Athlete from Competition. If a student-athlete is ineligible under the provisions of the constitution, bylaws or other regulations of the Association, the institution shall be obligated to apply immediately the applicable rule and to withhold the student-athlete from all intercollegiate competition. The institution may appeal to the Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement for restoration of the student-athlete's eligibility as provided in Bylaw 14.12 if it concludes that the circumstances warrant restoration.

June, 2008. A judge rules in favor of the woman Sherron Collins sexually assaulted in an elevator in May of 2007, granting damages in excess of $75,000. She accused him of exposing himself and rubbing against her on May 18, 2007, in an elevator at a University of Kansas apartment complex. Collins does not show up to court.

jayavii 10 years, 1 month ago

Ronnie Chalmers, no longer the son of a KU player after Mario declares early for the NBA draft, vacates the Director of Basketball Operations position.

While living in university paid for housing prior to being eligible for scholarship benefits, 18 year old Markieff Morris drunkenly shoots a lady with a BB gun from his dorm room window. No action is taken.

Two weeks after school starts (shades of Brandon Rush before them), the Morris twins are cleared to play basketball for KU. "While it may have taken a bit longer than we had hoped, the important thing is that the process worked," Self said regarding having them take classes in Lawrence.

Dallas School District re-opens case regarding Arthur not really being a college eligible player. Ashmore, Arthur's Math teacher said when Arthur was failing Algebra I as a freshman in the fall of 2002, his coach asked for leniency. Ashmore said when he refused, Arthur was abruptly moved to another class. A closer examination of Arthur's grades reveal that his English III grades of 75, 60, 70 and 65 don't actually add up to a 70 as is reflected on his transcript. In fact, the average should be 67.5, meaning he should have failed the course that is needed to graduate. "Like I said, he [Arthur] just kind of checked out that third six weeks," Yourse, his English teacher said. Melanie Kidd was Arthur's theater arts teacher in the fall of 2004. She said she remembers Arthur failed the course during the final six weeks. Arthur made a grade of 50, she said. According to his transcripts, Arthur's grades for the last six weeks of theater arts are also missing. A block of grades from Arthur's Algebra II were also missing on the transcript from the fall semester of 2005. All that is present is a final grade, which was changed from "failing" to a passing grade of 70 nine months later in September the following year. NCAA officials have confirmed that if Arthur never officially graduated, his eligibility at Kansas is something that may have to be investigated. My question is: are they investigating it?

2008-09 Season During a 'no contact period' as defined by NCAA rules, Self pays a visit to John Wall, the #1 unsigned recruit in the nation. To demonstrate his respect for NCAA rules states in front of a witnesses: Self: "I'm not supposed to be talking to you, and you know that, but I just wanted to tell you that was a great win."

Confirmation comes in the Darell Arthur case that his grades were artificially changed and that his 'graduation' from high school wasn't legit.

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

just looking over some uk and KU history and realizing something.....along the "whatifs" line of thought......what are some of KU fan's most heartbreaking seasons to remember of the last 2 decades? and what are uk fan's greatest memories over the same time span?

is it possible that they are possibly the same years?

while most KU faithfull fully expected to be competing for the grand prize come tourny time, what with their loaded rosters and great regular season play in 96, 97, and 98 it was not too be.....

and what do uk fans remember of those years? 3 amazing finals...incredible.

pitino's 96 cats beat syracuse for the title ....the same orangemen that beat jacque's hawks by 3 in the regional finals.....then 97....arizona and bibby bounce uk for their surprising title but thats not the only team that they bounced in march much to every single jayhawk fans complete everlasting for all eternity disbelief and then finally 98 uk wins it's 2nd title in 3 years while KU receives an even earlier season ending exit......

strange how it always ends up.....oh what could have been....would have liked to see at least one uk KU final during those 3 years.....hmmmmm

i sure hope thats not any indictation of how this year's season will end i would say there's a good but not great chance of meeting in the tournament, but both teams have to take care of business like they are showing so far

Ten Yeahs 10 years, 1 month ago

do u hear that?

its bill mayer

he's still chuckling

Mississippiqueen 10 years, 1 month ago

I don't think getting paid to shave points counts as tainting a victory. I mean it certainly taints the victory for anyone who beat them during that time. If you're so much better than everyone that you can play at 60% and still win, you still deserve your victories. Does every sport that has a handicapping system result in a tainted victory? No.

UK_Basketball 10 years, 1 month ago

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ku_basketbrawl 10 years, 1 month ago

When Kansas does finally win its 2000th game, I hope the Morris twins and other basketball players will be able to celebrate without throwing anyone down flights of stairs or yelling racial slurs or throwing punches. Lofty expectations, I know.

pal99 10 years, 1 month ago

While Mayer feels the need to point out only UK's past indiscrestions the article below is a little more balanced in pointing out SEVERAL elite program's shady pasts. (it's from 2006 but still up-to-date except IU)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2623252

While Mayer's article contains facts, I'm still unclear as to its purpose. I would think KU fans and supporters would rather highlight KU's success' rather than highlight other programs' negatives in order to make KU look better. But, since I'm a UK fan I'm sure my opinion has little merit on a KU board.

UK2000 10 years, 1 month ago

Envy much? You guys should talk to your doctors about your E.D. This article makes you look scared.

You have been on probation more times than we ever thought of and you're taking a stab at UK? hahahaha!!! Awesome! Nice move!

I find it interesting that you have the #1 ranking in the nation and the only thing you can find to write about is UK!

Good luck with E.D.!

UK2000 10 years, 1 month ago

I just noticed something Mayer has written about UK his entire pathetic career. Man, you should move to Lexington so you can write about the team you love!

ps... I don't think I've ever seen an article in KY about Kansas.... that's kinda where you rank.

POCAT 10 years, 1 month ago

For the person who thinks the movie "Glory Road" proves that Kansas alum Rupp was a racist I suggest you watch the movie "Braveheart" for a history lesson on Great Britan and the movie "Gladiator" for a history lesson on the Roman Empire. For those who don't rely on movies or an article by a man who is blinded by his own personal hate for UK, here is a history lesson for all of you KU fans who claim to be without sin. According to the NCAA Legislative Database of major infractions ASU and SMU have the most with 8, UK and and eight other schools have 6. Surprise, KU is one of the other schools with 6. Lock that up KU basketball historians or should I say hypocrites.

BBallCrazy 10 years, 1 month ago

Come on now. And KU's 07-08 Championship isn't tainted by Darrell Arthur?

BigBlue1 10 years, 1 month ago

I smell fear coming from the square states. I think it's funny that this Mayer bozo writes this article on February 13th the same day UK is beating UT. The stronger version of the UT team that beat KU I should add.

I agree with POCAT if you look at the NCAA list of schools who have been on probation you will find far more Big 12 schools than SEC.

Finally, let's just be honest KU really only has 3 NCAA titles and by that standard are really fairly insignificant. That's why you don't read this kind of crap about KU in Lexington papers.

KansasUKCat 10 years, 1 month ago

Recent high-lights of KU basketball program (not all):

2003 - Darnell Jackson, Bill Self's first recruit at KU, receives over $5,000 in illegal benefits from KU booster Don Davis.

2005 -Stories surface that Kansas engaged in giving monetary gifts to student-athletes that had exhausted their eligibility at Kansas under Roy Williams. No player reportedly got over $400 though.

2006 - Multiple Kansas athletic programs are placed under three years probation, including basketball, for Lack of Institutional Control. Kansas basketball loses two scholarships and is put on probation.

Recent history versus ancient history. I bet in the year 3010 some journalist nutcase (In Kansas) with nothing else to do will still be writing about Rupp and UK - Good God get a grip!!!!

Yeah I live in Kansas and love the UK Wildcats - always have, always will.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

Dr. James Naismith invented basketball he was from Kansas. All you Kentucky fans are losers Kansas rocks get over it. Without us there would be no debate at all...there would be no basketball losers.

RTJayhawker1 10 years, 1 month ago

Mr. Mayar With all due respect, you do not speak for all KU fans. You sir are an embarrasment.

DCHawk63 10 years, 1 month ago

Good luck against Mississippi State maybe the fourth time will be the charm :)

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KansasUKCat,

Eventually when Kentucky is the first major program to get the death penalty in Basketball what will you be a fan of then. I can answer, KANSAS.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

Other "near-death" events Kentucky basketball (1986-1988) Ironically, the Kentucky basketball program nearly became the second program to receive the modern incarnation of the "death penalty". A 1986 investigation by the Lexington Herald-Leader, for which the authors would win a Pulitzer Prize, uncovered an extensive scheme of payments to Wildcat recruits. In 1988, Kentucky was reprimanded for not cooperating with the investigation.

However, UK did little to reform itself until scandal erupted over two Kentucky players in 1989. First, Eric Manuel was accused of cheating on his college entrance exams. Second, an Emery Worldwide package sent to the guardian of Chris Mills burst open in transit, revealing $1000 in cash. Kentucky received three years of probation from the NCAA, including banishment from the 1990 and 1991 NCAA Tournaments. The NCAA also stripped Kentucky of its two wins in the 1988 NCAA tournament, and took the unprecedented step of banning Manuel from playing for any NCAA member school.

Due to the nature of the violations and the previous 1988 sanctions, the NCAA Committee on Infractions nearly imposed the "death penalty" on Kentucky, but decided against it after the school cooperated fully with the investigation. UK president David Roselle forced head coach Eddie Sutton and athletic director Cliff Hagan to resign, replacing them with Rick Pitino and C. M. Newton respectively. He implemented policies to bring the school's athletic department under tighter university control.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 1 month ago

love how all the UK boobs are all "we're back!" what was it for the last 15 years?
"we suck!" "we were good!"

wasn't UK in the NIT last year? suck it!!!!!!!!!!

Sandripple 10 years, 1 month ago

Actually LAJayhawk5, in the last fifteen years UK won a championship (1996), national runner-up (1997), and a championship (1998).

Yes, it has been something of a dry-run the last few years, but only by UK standards.

Sandripple 10 years, 1 month ago

And by the way. Has Kansas hired an African-American coach yet? You might have. I could have missed it. I really should follow KU basketball more closely.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 1 month ago

you're talking about tubby? you idiots ran him off and you're running your mouth about that? Kansas head football coach, Turner Gill, is an African American (we'd kick your *** in that as well) so yes, we have.

you're going to deny that your head coach has had to vacate wins and championship game (lost to KANSAS) appearances - b/c of poor ethics - everywhere he's coached? question for all of the UK fans. why would/will it be any different at UK? it wont. everyone knows it. just more fun to watch when it happens.

you've been irrelevant for years, contain your excitement. and we set the standards.

blukzu 10 years, 1 month ago

Hahaha Bill Mayer! Bitter old fart.

TimM 10 years, 1 month ago

We can not compete on the court-soooooooooooo They must have cheated good excuse----or maybe UK is better------no they must have cheated-or maybe they are rascist-----or maybe UK is better----no that can not be--- Right Kanass logic

Seth Peattie 10 years, 1 month ago

timM sells boiled peanuts on the side of some road in lexington. never went to UK, or college, and has nothing but chewing tobacco to look forward to. please disregard his posts.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 1 month ago

NIT!!!!!!!!! NIT!!!!!!!!!! NIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dynamitehawk 10 years, 1 month ago

All right. You guys have been sitting on daddy's lap too long. Go run on home now.

TheRealDrJ 10 years, 1 month ago

Mayer has demonstrated a total lack of knowledge of basketball and NCAA history. NCAA criminal indifference and oversight? UK received the first death penalty and has been hit with probation early and often by the NCAA. Kansas and North Carolina obtaining 2000 wins more honorably? Right, each one has been on probation too, but that doesn't matter to Mayer. Unrevealed cheating? Prove it or shut up. No earlier probation for game fixing? Prove that it happened anywhere outside of Madison Square Garden, if you can. Hall's recruiting violation was to give t-shirts to recruits, and he said the NCAA had approved such items beforehand - but then the NCAA doesn't mind approving of something and then punishing a school for it, just ask Memphis. BTW, the 31 player admissions of accepting gifts were all rescinded and denied by the players - perhaps the reporters made it all up?! The NCAA had no proof during the Sutton era "scandals" either, but decided to make an example of UK. And of course, if you have ANY proof of wrongdoing by Calipari, by all means share it with us, otherwise just admit that you are blathering,

You really botched this article, Bill, and you should get a solid grip on historical facts before issuing such slander.

plumloopy 10 years, 1 month ago

I kind of stumbled upon this article by accident and I was pretty surprised a KU site would dedicate so much "ink" to badmouthing another program. Hasn't KU experienced enough success lately? There is some serious insecurity going on here, at least by the author. As a UK fan, I sort of figured the 2000 win mark was something we were making a big deal over but others probably didn't care much about it.

I absolutely can't imagine seeing an article so negative about a competing program in a Kentucky publication (or any other elite school).

BigBlue1 10 years, 1 month ago

Let's get a grip here Kansas fans you had a 20 year drought without winning a title and you only have three. KU is about as elite as Louisville.

KY_Cats1 10 years, 1 month ago

As per usual, the Blue Mist faithful have performed admirably and shown once again who the greatest fans in all of sports are. We absolutely OWN this board and these Kansas tools. Outstanding!!!

Wall + Cousins + Patterson + Coach Cal = Cannot Be Stopped...Will Not Be Stopped

Go Big Blue!!!

UK Wildcats YOUR 2009-’10 NCAA Tourney Champs First College Basketball Program to 2,000 Wins

UKENVY 10 years, 1 month ago

This article is ridiculous. Didn't you have a player from your national championship team a couple years ago get investigated? Darrell Aurthur was his name. Should he have been elgible for your championship game? I would say not but the NCAA has not asked you abandon your championship but has asked Memphis to abandon their final four for Rose, The NCAA cleared both players and both should have played.

Envy is an ugly thing but throwing rocks at a program when you have enough skeletons in you closet is just wrong. Be classy Kansas. I like your program, but this article is ridiculous.

We will see a SELF V CAL rematch in the NCAA. It be a good game. Good luck in your season. The race to 2000 was won by us, but the race to 3,000 will be a blast. See you there.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KY, You were almost stopped by a Mississippi team that did not have 3 of it's starters fool.

Ryan Mullen 10 years, 1 month ago

KY, You were almost stopped by a Mississippi team that did not have 3 of it's starters fool.

mamacatfan 10 years, 1 month ago

And, Jayhawkinmullen, Naismith was NOT from Kansas, he taught there. He was actually from Canada! And as far as running Tubby off, there are a few radical, idiot Kentucky fans who get lots of press. Those of us (the many) who supported Tubby could not buy a quote in a paper or on TV...guess it's just not news.

We're not perfect, but neither is Kansas. I'm a life-long KY fan, and a UK alum. I have a lot of respect for the Kansas basketball tradition. This author has embarrassed tha Jayhawk nation!

Read this article:

http://larrygloverlive.com/2010/02/17/kansas-writer-lives-in-fantasyland/#more-1994

KU08 10 years, 1 month ago

mamacatfan, very good post. But I must correct you about Naismith. Yes, he was born in Canada, but he spent the last 40-some years of his life in Kansas and is buried in Lawrence. That's kind of like saying Lincoln wasn't from Illinois.

kenpatriot 10 years, 1 month ago

All that matters is what happens on the court. Show me where UK cheated during a game, and I'll listen. Who cares if colleges pay players? They deserve to be paid for their sacrifice. And to bring up the 40s and 50s - while simultaneously acknowledging that there was no oversight (read: no rules) ? If there were no rules - how were any rules broken? And point shaving - isn't that were players purposely play poorly?? How does that taint a win???
Whatever dude - you just keep crying in the middle of your Kansas cornfield. No one can here you.

Seth Peattie 10 years, 1 month ago

"no one can here you?"

  • kenpatriot, person from kentucky and noted idiot.

CaramelMacchMan 10 years, 1 month ago

Kentucky fans = Most unrealistic and idiotic fans in the history of fans.

CaramelMacchMan 10 years, 1 month ago

First of all,

Win the SEC regular season title then Win the SEC tournament then Get the #1 seeed then Go to final four then Win something

And then open your mouth.

I mean last Reg. season title UK won was in 2005, last SEC tourney was in 2004, last final four was in 1998 and last tittle was in 1998.

So do something first.

Because you are talking to 2008 champ and back to back to back to back to back to back regular Big 12 conf. title and 2008 Big 12 tourney champ.

So child please and ya all UK fans Kiss the Baby.

peace.

James Hubin 10 years, 1 month ago

I like how Kensucky fans are so confident that they are going to be the 2010 National Champions, makes it all the better when they get knocked out in the sweet 16. I guess such a long drought has given them all blue balls.

Kensucky will continue to bring in a new crop of AAU freshmen to compete with real college basketball programs that actually build their team the proper way (with some type of leadership on the court and on the sidelines). In a few years when every players best friend coach Cal either gets in trouble or gets bored and moves on, the little blue nation will continue the coaching search as their fair weather fans go back into the hills to make babies with their brothers and sisters. Meanwhile KU basketball will remain a powerhouse.

I didn't realize that internet was available in Kensucky, now they just need to create some chat boards for their fans to post on.

UK_2K 10 years, 1 month ago

This article is a joke. It's funny how you don't see this kind of thing on any UK forums. Jealousy = Bill Mayer. It's okay though, there's a chance KU will make it to 2,000 wins second. UK2K sure has a nice ring to it, doesn't it? : )

James Hubin 10 years, 1 month ago

2000 wins is superficial, you play the game to win Championships, something Kensucky has not done for awhile or even caught a sniff of a Final Four, better to have gone and lost then to have not shown up at all. Kensucky has a better chance of winning the NIT in a few years than they do of winning a NC this year.

2ndString 10 years, 1 month ago

Kansas began the Roy Williams Era in the late 1980s on a postseason ban, due to the sins committed by Larry Brown on his way to the 1988 national championship. Fitting, then, that St. Roy The Dadgum Pious' reign in Lawrence officially closed Thursday on violations cited by the NCAA: payments of more than $5,000 from a booster to two prospects and their families; and two other boosters providing graduation gifts to players with the knowledge of Kansas athletic department officials -- including St. Roy, according to the Committee on Infractions report. Most of those violations occurred before Williams left for North Carolina.

2ndString 10 years, 1 month ago

Start with the Jayhawks, since they're the program in the news today: two NCAA Tournament championships, 12 Final Fours ... and now five NCAA probations for men's basketball. When you're a minus-three in the titles-to-probations ratio, that's not good.

2ndString 10 years, 1 month ago

Shouldn't you know your own school history before you chastise another schools problem's?

Shall we go into the football scandal of late?

As a Kentucky fan, I know my schools history. The only part that matters to me is the Eddie Sutton era, the reason I think that violations should follow coaches like the Kelvin Sampson deal. Punish those at fault, not those that follow.

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