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Wednesday, October 14, 2009

KU men’s basketball is unanimous pick to win Big 12

All-Big 12 first-team guard Sherron Collins, left, talks with Big 12 coach of the year Bill Self in this file photo from Nov. 28, 2008.

All-Big 12 first-team guard Sherron Collins, left, talks with Big 12 coach of the year Bill Self in this file photo from Nov. 28, 2008.

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Kansas University’s basketball team, a popular preseason pick to win the 2010 NCAA basketball championship, to nobody’s surprise topped the Big 12 coaches poll.

The Jayhawks on Wednesday received all possible first-place votes in polling for the 2009-10 season. Coaches are not allowed to vote for their own teams. Texas received the other first place vote — one delivered by KU’s Bill Self.

“We’ve had some really good teams and based on who we return and the prospects we’ve brought in, I can certainly see why people would pick us high,” Self said Wednesday. “We’ve won the league five years in a row. This may be the most difficult (challenge) because the league is so good.”

KU totaled 121 points, followed by Texas (111), Oklahoma (95), Kansas State (92), Texas A&M (74), Oklahoma State (69), Missouri (66), Iowa State (57), Texas Tech (34), Baylor (33), Nebraska (27) and Colorado (13).

“Texas is in the top three preseason in the country, no question,” Self said. “If they (coaches) picked us one, I’d think it was unanimous they picked them (Longhorns) two. They are loaded.”

Self was asked if it ever “gets old” being so highly respected by the league coaches. KU was picked third last season, but first the two seasons before that.

“Winning — rather than being picked first — never grows old,” he said.

Recruiting

Brad Beal will not be attending Friday’s KU’s Late Night in the Phog, Beal’s high school coach tells Rivals.com. Beal, a junior shooting guard from Chaminade High in St. Louis, will be traveling to Alabama State to watch his brother, Bruce, play football. Beal attended last year’s Late Night. Prep seniors to attend Late Night: Harrison Barnes, 6-7, Ames (Iowa) High; Josh Selby, 6-2, Lake Clifton High, Baltimore; Doron Lamb, 6-4, Oak Hill Academy, Mouth of Wilson, Va.; and Royce Woolridge, 6-3, Sunnyslope High, Phoenix. Woolridge has orally committed to KU.

The complete Big 12 preseason poll is below.

Big 12 preseason poll

1. Kansas (11) 121

  1. Texas (1) 111

  2. Oklahoma 95

  3. Kansas State 92

  4. Texas A&M 74

  5. Oklahoma State 69

  6. Missouri 66

  7. Iowa State 57

  8. Texas Tech 34

  9. Baylor 33

  10. Nebraska 27

  11. Colorado 13

(First-place votes in parentheses)

Comments

Royaljayhwk 4 years, 9 months ago

Not really much to discuss here....pretty much known.

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honk_for_hawks 4 years, 9 months ago

agreed. the only story would have been if we WEREN'T unanimous. That being said, KU-Texas very well could be the game of the year in college basketball.

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terpoortenl 4 years, 9 months ago

We all know who Self voted for.

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Tony Bandle 4 years, 9 months ago

WOW...KSU #4!!!! The Big Twelve must really suck after KU, UT and OU.

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suttonku 4 years, 9 months ago

Actually KSU will have a decent team this year...

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kushaw 4 years, 9 months ago

I also agree about KSU! Their backcourt is going to be doggone good and you add the freshman, Wally Judge, and you have a pretty talented team. IMO, I think 3-7 is up for grabs. It will be interesting to see how Baylor returns from their disappointment last season. I am also wondering when the day will come and the Big 12 can get 7 schools into the Big Dance. I thought it should have happened last year, but the NCAA committee likes teams like Arizona and a 7-9 (Conference Record) Maryland team benefit of the doubt, I guess. T minus 2 days and counting till Late Night.

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Joel Hood 4 years, 9 months ago

This would have been a much more interesting story if another coach, in addition to HCBS, gave Texas a 1st place vote. Then we'd be dying to know which coach dared to insult the sanctitiy of our illustrious and righteous program. But, alas no - ho hum.

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Jeff Hargate 4 years, 9 months ago

I would not be suprised to see Baylor jump into the top 1/2 as they return many contributors form last season. Hopefully they can play some defense. Rock Chalk!

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jayhawkinnc 4 years, 9 months ago

Ah yes.....yet another accolade to the greatest and most tradition rich college basketball program of all time.

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phi4life940 4 years, 9 months ago

Take two seconds today to vote for Russell Robinson to make the Cavs!!!!! http://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features...

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gthejayhawk 4 years, 9 months ago

I wonder who Self voted for? (lol!)

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gthejayhawk 4 years, 9 months ago

I guess I should have read all of the comments before I posted!... Whoops!

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Tony Bandle 4 years, 9 months ago

That would have been hilarious if HCBS had hit the wrong button and voted for Colorado!!!!

Actually, based on the weighted scoring system of one through eleven since no one could vote for themselves, Colorado was NOT the unanimous last place finisher!! WOW...who else is hurting!!

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jaybate 4 years, 9 months ago

Now, if our opponents would just concede the season, we could get on with hanging another banner!

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jaybate 4 years, 9 months ago

jns Big 12 Preseason Poll of Coaches Mostly Likely to Be Fired After This Season:

  1. Jeff "Just Shoot Me" Bzdelik, Colorado
  2. Doc "I Can't Even Win When We Criminally Assault Teams" Sadler, Nebraska
  3. Pat "Why Didn't I Split with Dad" Knight, TTech
  4. Greg "Brackins Just Exposes How Mediocre I Am" McDermott, ISU
  5. Mike "Who Can Keep Recruiting with The Antlers" Anderson, MU
  6. Travis "Pickens Wants His Money Back" Ford, OSU
  7. Scott "Losing Is God's Will" Drew, Baylor
  8. Frank "Fire Me and I'll Kill You and Your Family" Martin, KSU
  9. Mark "What Other Good Coach Are You Going to Get to Come to College Station" Turgeon, TA&M
  10. Jeff "I Fooled Them Into Thinking I Could Coach with a Number One Draft Choice" Capel, OU
  11. Rick "Texans Don't Really Care about Hoops" Barnes, UT
  12. Bill "The Gold Standard" Self, KU
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kushaw 4 years, 9 months ago

jayhawkinnc: Where in North Carolina?

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jayhawkinnc 4 years, 9 months ago

kushaw..... Winston-Salem, NC. and U?

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Martin Rosenblum 4 years, 9 months ago

Mike Anderson just profited from the "If my name is mentioned as even remotely interested in another school's coaching job, I get a salary increase" windfall from the Calipari drama. So, he shouldn't be as high up the list as Jaybate has him. He's safe for a couple of years. I think Scott Drew also was a recipient of the drama's cash circus.

On a new subject, looks like Gillespie just got a 3M settlement from UK for his termination scenario. He could be back in a B12 drivers seat in a year or so, if he plays his cards right.

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LAJayhawk 4 years, 9 months ago

Jaybate,

I would switch Martin and Anderson.

Wait, is that a comedy act?

-LAJayhawk

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 9 months ago

Jaybate, You are wrong about Bzdelik. He is a much better coach then Patton who was there for 11 years. He won at Air Force, Air Force for christ sakes. When he was with the Nuggets they played hard and were competitive in every game they played despite have no talent. Bzdelik will be there until he chooses not to.

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KGphoto 4 years, 9 months ago

Wow. I'm a little surprised at the arrogance level here. Lotsa swinging balls.

Surely they'll shrink a little once the season begins.

I'd have to say the Big 12 has never been more stacked with good young coaches. Blind fandom is an ignorant bore. I like most of these guys. Mike Anderson, Jeff Capel, Frank Martin, Doc Sadler? These are good coaches. Not everybody can recruit 5 top-100 players a year. Especially if you're recruiting to a town and basketball tradition equivalent to a '78 Chevy Monza.

Rope it in a little.

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KGphoto 4 years, 9 months ago

For Christ's sake jaytaint, you just bashed Mark Turgeon. Nice loyalty.

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Joel Hood 4 years, 9 months ago

KG - In the famous words of Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up Francis."

Jeez, how many times do you go into a season ranked #1? Have some fun with it. BTW - I didn't take Jaybate's poke at aTm a bash at Turg. Look at their BB history. After losing Billy (hic) Clyde, it was a small miracle they landed someone as good as Turg.

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jaybate 4 years, 9 months ago

KGphoto,

No disrespect to Turg intended. He is a good coach. I would be happy to have him at KU. And they can't get a better coach that Turg in College Bus Stop, TX.

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jaybate 4 years, 9 months ago

BoulderHawk,

I hope you are right about Bzdelik, because a neighbor of mine in childhood played for CU in the Sox Walseth dark ages, and so I have always wished for CU basketball to recover once and for all from the 60s. :-)

You are right to point out that the Bz-man did well where ever he either did not have much competition in recruiting (the academy), or where he did not have to recruit (the NBA).

But Bz-man is not getting it done so far in Boulderville, and it is increasingly apparent that it is because he is not a skilled recruiter.

What can CU do?

CU remains a place where a great coach could build a national hoops power. Several football coaches have risen above its administration's frequent indifference to sports, and accomplished excellence, though with some unpleasant means. I thought Bz-man would do it in hoops, but he has not.

Getting a lot out of a little talent only cuts it, if you learn how to win enough to back into a tourney every now and then a la the one time runt of Princeton.

Bz-man may need to go to an Ivy League school to be the best he can be.

Life without horses in the B12 is tough go.

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Joel Hood 4 years, 9 months ago

jaybate - good comments re CU.

The only thing you didn't mention is the lack of passion and urgency felt within the CU fan base. The last time people got really excited about CU Basketball was the late 1960's. The reason Ricardo lasted so long at CU was because the fans simply didn't care enough to kick him out. He was a decent guy who ran a clean program. No wins - no problem. Finally, after all the losing got to him, he decided it was time to go. There is no way coach B is going to get the horses when no one else at CU cares.

For example, every other B12 arena sells out when KU comes calling. The crowds go crazy when we come to town. They may not care much when UT or MU is on the floor, but boy howdy, the fans bring their A-game when the royal blue shows up. What happens in Boulder? KU fans buy up the extra tickets - upward of 5 to 6 thousand. How could anyone recruit a horse to play in that dog show?

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Dan Pawlowski 4 years, 9 months ago

jaybate , Only 2 years out and he is "not getting it done", you act like an alumni who has given lots of money to the program. It is only 2 years at a University that does not have the allure of a Kansas or North Carolina program. "A place where a great coach could build a national hoops power". You could say that for just about anywhere. Just because they have a beautiful campus doesn't mean anything to todays recruits. Having a tradition goes much farther in recruiting and they don't have it there. You can bet that Bill Self is finding recruiting much easier at Kansas than Illinois. So your statement that he is not a great recruiter is premature. To attract recruits in football they had to take them out to strip clubs and break a lot of other rules. Now to address your Princeton Offense statement. Georgetown is not an Ivy League school and John Thompson III runs a Princeton offense with pretty good success. They went to the final 4 in 2007. There are also several NBA programs that run it. (Wizards, 76ers, Sacremento). It is not just run in the Ivy League. I am looking forward to seeing his team improve and prove you wrong. Of course you may be referring to some other town, BoulderVille? Never heard of it.

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