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Originally published October 2, 2009 at 12:00a.m., updated October 2, 2009 at 02:13p.m.

KU police connect crimes to sports brawl

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor defends Dayton guard Marcus Johnson's shot during the first half Sunday, March 22, 2009 at the Metrodome in Minneapolis.

Kansas guard Tyshawn Taylor defends Dayton guard Marcus Johnson's shot during the first half Sunday, March 22, 2009 at the Metrodome in Minneapolis.

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KU police reviewing football-basketball fight tapes

Police are investigating surveillance video showing a fight between KU's football and basketball teams.

Kansas University police now are associating two crimes with a public fight that broke out between members of the football and men’s basketball teams.

Officers have opened a disorderly conduct investigation into last week’s melee outside Burge Union, KU Public Safety Office Maj. Chris Keary said Thursday. Initially, police said the incident — which involved as many as 100 people — was not being investigated as a crime.

Less than an hour after the fight, police said, a man threatened to shoot a woman in a parking lot outside the nearby Jayhawker Towers, an on-campus apartment complex which is home to many student athletes. That crime has now also been linked by police to the Sept. 22 brawl.

“There was some relationship between what was going on at the Towers,” Keary said. “We do believe they were connected.”

Surveillance video obtained by 6News and the Lawrence Journal-World shows dozens of people in the parking lot of the union at the time of the fight, though individual team members cannot be identified.

After the melee — which occurred about 6:30 p.m. and left KU basketball player Tyshawn Taylor with a dislocated thumb — the crowd is seen scattering, just before a police vehicle shows up with its lights on. No arrests have been made, or citations issued, in the case, police and the city prosecutor’s office said.

According to police reports, the dispute apparently spilled across the street to the Towers’ parking lot.

Guy Lipscomb, 19, was arrested and later charged with two counts of criminal threat for allegedly threatening a current and a former track athlete, court documents state.

Lipscomb, who is not a student at KU, was released from Douglas County Jail on $3,000 bond. On Tuesday, his case was set for an Oct. 20 preliminary hearing, court records state.

The female victims of the criminal threat also were associated with a July 25 battery report at Jayhawker Towers, according to police reports.

One of the women was the victim of the battery and received minor injuries. The other witnessed the incident.

Police cited Andrea Johnson, 25, for a charge of misdemeanor battery in that case. She was granted a diversion on Sept. 15 in Lawrence Municipal Court and has been fined $300, the city prosecutor’s office said Thursday.

Miami Heat basketball player Mario Chalmers, a former KU basketball star, was listed as another witness to the incident. It occurred while Chalmers was in town for a golf fundraiser at Alvamar Country Club. Chalmers and Johnson are parents of a child, according to court records.

Comments

Bryan Summers 4 years, 11 months ago

Sounds like a soap opera... "As the Jayhawk Turns"

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suttonku 4 years, 11 months ago

Wow...At least it doesnt sound like any basketball or football players were involved in any of the separate incidents...But Chalmers? I cannot believe he is linked to this in any way.

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Billy Derringer 4 years, 11 months ago

WTF-WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS GOT TO DO WITH KU SPORTS TEAMS -IM SURE WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO MOVE ON--AND UNLESS ITS A PLAYER AT KU PLEASE STOP REPORTING ON THIS STUFF..........WE ARE TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT THIS LET MOVE ON DAMM........IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO REPORT THEN DONT REPORT PLZ

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Alex Staley 4 years, 11 months ago

Hey everyone, I'm all for moving on but, good grief, some of you are getting a little too upset that LJW is still reporting further developments. I dont know if you all realize this or not, but this was a big deal. Obviously you want them to stop reporting because it's a big black eye on KU athletics. This paper, however, has no responsibility to uphold the reputation of KU athletics. They have the responsibility to report the news. I wish we could act like this never happened, but, it did.

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Andrew Ledell 4 years, 11 months ago

I felt compelled to post something about how ridiculous a few of these comments were but blk99stang hit the nail on the head. Letting fanhood cloud your judgment about such serious matters is really unfortunate.

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Kent Wells 4 years, 11 months ago

It is indeed interesting that most of y'all are going to be screaming "Lets move on". Of course that is what you want. I wanted to move on and forget all about it when it was my ass in trouble. You're all worried about a national championship. Light needs to be shined on this. Hell, Mario has a kid! What? This was buried pretty good don't you think? What else is there? I hope this isn't the tip of the iceberg.

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funkitect 4 years, 11 months ago

did i miss something in the article? i don't understand how the shooting threat had anything to do with the bball/football fight... other than the ku officer's quote which doesn't really say anything. "there was some relationship" really? like they happened to occur in the same evening?

and is it just me, or could that video have been taken on any regular day? i didn't see anything suspicous...

maybe all these things are, in fact, linked, but this article gives absolutely no evidence of it.

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KUFan90 4 years, 11 months ago

Is it illegal for Mario to have a kid? Who cares.

Also note Mario was not "involved" other than as a witness.

The fact that these women mentioned in the criminal complaint vaguely (and allegedly) related to "the fight" were involved in a different incident over 2 months ago is completely irrelevant to the already irrelevant story. They only reason the July incident is mentioned is for sensationalism because Mario was a witness.

Please dig deeper LJW. I bet this Guy Lipscomb once got a D- on a math test and it was witnessed by Sasha Kaun. Think of the attention that would generate!!

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Mike Bratisax 4 years, 11 months ago

Well njjayhawk, Taylor didn't dislocate his finger breaking up the fight. I had hoped this matter was closed but apparently the KU police are not satisfied. I think i will wait to ALL the facts are made public.

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NebraskaJayhawk 4 years, 11 months ago

We are going to win the (LPC) Leavenworth Prison Championships this year. I'm pumped.

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gojhawx 4 years, 11 months ago

It's a sad state of affairs that so many people are having kids prior to marriage. How nice it would be if those kids were able to have a mother and father in their lives FULL TIME. I know it's "just how it is today" but it's still sad. And who would've guessed Mario's baby mama would be involved in a battery incident (I'm sure a lot of Moms get into fisticuffs)...must be part of her high moral fiber. OK, I'm off my soapbox now and back to my "living in the seventies" music.

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jaybate 4 years, 11 months ago

The plot thickens.

Follow the money.

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WisconsinJayhawk 4 years, 11 months ago

Guy Lipscomb, is not a KU athlete, nor even a KU student. What the hell is he doing in an article on KUSports.com that has a picture of Tyshawn Taylor at its head? Additionally a threat was issued in a parking lot at the Towers. Was this person a student? More importantly, was this person a KU athlete? If not, then there is no need for this to be reported on KUSports.com, and again, certainly not with TT's picture attached to the article. if the person involved was not a KU athlete, then report it in the LJW and/or LJW.com, as it is civil news, not KU sports news.

Chalmers was not involved in the melee. He was in the general viscinity. So what? Again, an attempt by KUSports.com to sensationalize something that is totally, completely, irrelevant to the fight or KU sports.

Jeebus. Why don't you see if you can get ESPN to run the story about Guy Lipscomb, KUS.com? Think they'd do it? If not, ask yourselves WHY... then act accordingly.

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deepind 4 years, 11 months ago

Exactly my thoughts dynomitehawk!! While I appreciate LJW providing us bits and pieces of information on the "series of unfortunate events" that seem to happen in and around Jayhawk Towers, they really need to connect the dots.

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

Obviously a bad story for all KU fans, but let's be real here -- we already knew there was a bunch of shouting going on. The specifics are not fun to read, but not all that unexpected.

Now Mario being there was a shocker, but like the documents said, as a witness -- and of course he would be there if he has a child in Lawrence.

The part of this I don't get is "the dot connecting". The writer attempts to imply this is Tyshawn's fight he had with the football player over the girl.

This is an entirely different incident which had zero sports people involved except for an NBA starter who was apparently feeding his baby some milk.

As for the non-student guy who started this in the parking lot, isn't it time to start checking more information on these individuals -- why are they in Lawrence? Are they plants from another school, or are they just a local fan suffereing from dementia?

Because that's the story -- surely the fact that Mario was back feeding his baby could have been presented to us as a seperate story from "unemployed insane non athletic Columbia, MO man with no ties to KU starts argument in parking lot, convieniently with Mario Chalmers fiancé".

OK LJW -- it's time to dig deeper. Remember in the 70's when plants were all over the big 8 schools, stirring things up, especially at Nebraska (courtesy of Iowa State)?

Are we being played? Who is this 25 year old non athletic fellow who is starting a fight? Where is he from?

Lawrence has always been one of the most peaceful campuses in America -- something doesn't add up.

So here it is LJW -- two stories

  1. Celebrating our new half year resident, Mario & his fiancé (a sports story)
  2. Digging into the guy who started the parking lot mischief, the 25 year old guy's life (this is a non sports story)
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John Boyle 4 years, 11 months ago

Two things: To address blk99stang, aledell, and kuwells This article adds nothing to the previous incident that involved KU athletes! There is no reason to publish this as KU athletic news. It is a story about some loser named Lipscomb who is not associated with the school. The only reason they are writing this story is for sensationalism. That is what poor writers do when they can't be creative or original. To address Mario Chalmers being mentioned. Why? He didn't have a role in anything other than a witness to an event in a parking lot. That is not newsworthy. As for him having a kid, that is no ones business but his and the kid's mother. None of us have the right to judge. Sure it would be better to have a child in wedlock. It makes it much easier on the child. That has been proven time and time again. But that doesn't mean this child can't live a long and productive life and be a wonderful addition to society. "Don't judge lest ye be judged!"

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Rivethead 4 years, 11 months ago

100 - How do you know Andrea Johnson is Mario Chalmers fiance? Just because they conceived a child doesn't mean they're getting married.

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

Rivethead -- I have no idea if Andrea Johnson is Mario's fiance. However....

It might be a good time for the LJW to write a story on this (instead of pasting his name in a sports story about an insane Missouri Tiger fan who starts a yelling match in our parking lot while Mario feeds his baby a bottle).

Alas it is time for all of us to call our mothers, including the writer of this story & ask this simple question: "Were you & Dad REALLY married when you became pregnant with me?" And most importantly, "Do you love me any less?"

I think we all know the answer -- of course parents love their kids as much no matter what the answer is -- the fact that Mario and this woman are spending time with their child tells me everything I need to know, whether they know it or not, they are parents & love their child...

You can label or not label it how you please -- it is what it is.

Congratulations Mario!

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

If this was a story at all worthy of consideration it would be picked up by bigger affiliates -- "Random Missouri guy in parking lot yells stuff at Mario Chalmers' girlfriend while Mario feeds baby some Milk"

As we used to say in the old days, I don't think that would sell copy, & certainly not as a sports story.

That's why ESPN & SI have passed on this goofball of a story.

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coolhand357 4 years, 11 months ago

The word "melee" paints a picture of mayhem, clubs, blood splattered everywhere and innocent bystanders on life support.

Dictionary: A violent free-for-all / Confused, hand-to-hand fighting in a pitched battle royal.

Whats in your wallet?

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Martini_Boy 4 years, 11 months ago

B O R I N G...... not saying this isn't worth looking into, BUTT this one is starting to make Jr High School recruiting look interesting... Can we wait until someone figures out what the heck happened and whether anything is even remotely tied together somehow? Otherwise I'm beginning to feel as though the Grassy Knoll will be small potatoes for conspiracy theorist and Moo Fans

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

Lets go over the facts again:

  1. In a wild 30,000 person brawl, one injury occurred -- a dislocated thumb from throwing a punch incorrectly.

  2. One minor injury occurred.

  3. One

  4. One punch was thrown

  5. One

  6. Uno

  7. Lots of confirmed & unconfirmed yelling occurred.

  8. A random insane out of shape Missouri guy does some more shouting in a parking lot.

  9. Mario Chalmers has a baby!

  10. Mario also has a girlfriend in Lawrence!

  11. Sixteen dislocated thumbs & ten sore backs have been reported but not confirmed by local media members in Lawrence in the last 14 days -- one reporter shouted, "Ouch this typing hurts so much I'm gonna have to get a f** splint!"

  12. In the last fourteen days, sadly, seven illicit grabs (an average of one every 48 hours) have occurred on the University of Kentucky campus -- young students have been advised to stay in past sundown, especially being told to stay away from the library.

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bobbyfinstock 4 years, 11 months ago

100, you make no sense whatsoever, and everyone who read your posts is now dumber. Any possibility you had of making a rational thought/point is eliminated by your creation of "facts." If any of what you are spouting as "facts" is supported by anything other than your suspicions, please give us a source. If it is your guessing and assuming, please write in a notebook for your memoirs and not in a public forum presented on your list of "facts." The LJW publishing a very poorly written article, shouldn't give us license to fill in the wide gaps with your out of thin air "facts."

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jayhawkmpa 4 years, 11 months ago

It looks to me like many people that have commented on this article need to check their reading comprehension.

The article does not say that Mario Chalmers witnessed the fight in the parking lot last week. It says that he witnessed a battery that took place on July 25th while he was in town for the charity golf tournament that he hosted.

That being said the article is very poorly written, and I can see how people would misinterpret what it is saying. It makes me wonder if it is just incompetence on the writer's and editor's parts or if it is the intention of the paper for it to sound worse than what actually happened.

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klineisanazi 4 years, 11 months ago

jayhawkmpa, you are right, it is a very poorly written article. From this article, and articles appearing in the Star and the Topeka C-J, I see the "news" as the opening of a criminal investigation into the "incident" outside the union as possible disorderly conduct. Also, it appears the investigators are somehow connecting the incident outside the union to another incident at the Towers, witnessed by Chalmers, which led to the arrest of a non-KU student. So far, only the LJW article mentioned Chalmers.

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DWINOP 4 years, 11 months ago

It's unfair to Tyshawn to post a photo of him above this story, as if there were new information about HIM as a part of this story. It's a cheap, lazy editing job.

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KEITHMILES05 4 years, 11 months ago

LAWRENCE -- University of Kansas Police have opened a criminal investigation in one of last week's fights between KU football and basketball players, assistant chief of police Chris Keary said.

Keary said police had been investigating all three incidents since they happened, but only the first one, which began about 6:30 p.m. Sept. 22 in the parking lot of the Burge Union, is currently being investigated as a crime.

"That investigation led us to consider disorderly conduct," Keary said.

Named in the police report are Kansas basketball players Sherron Collins, Marcus and Markieff Morris, Mario Little, Thomas Robinson and Elijah Johnson, Kansas football assistant coach George Matsakis, basketball assistant Brett Ballard and associate athletic director Sean Lester. All of them are listed on the report as "other," meaning they are not listed as victims, witnesses or reporting parties.

"They're probably people we talked to," Keary said.

Specific to this case, Keary didn't know why those men were listed as they were. He said suspects would not be listed as "other" or named publicly unless they had been arrested.

Police have made an arrest in an incident Keary believed to be connected to the Burge Union fight. Guy Lipscomb, 19, who is not a KU student, was arrested and charged with two counts of criminal threat for his role in an incident Sept. 22 in the Jayhawker Towers parking lot.

The Burge Union fight was one of three between KU football and basketball players last week. The most public altercation happened about 10 a.m. Sept. 23 in front of Wescoe Hall. Police interviewed KU athletes at the time, but have not yet decided to pursue a criminal investigation.

"We're still looking at that one, too," Keary said.

Tully Corcoran can be reached at (785) 295-5652 and tully.corcoran@cjonline.com.

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Joel Hood 4 years, 11 months ago

Just an observation that I wanted to share with posters on this board. I just looked over this same story on the LJW's main site and the comments made by the posters on that board. The posters on the KUSports site are clearly more civil to each other than the posters on the LJW site. There are always some occasional nastigrams here, but the comments over there are often hateful. It makes me appreciate the banter, humor, & civility most of you bring to this board. That's all I got - cheers.

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

Jayhawkerjoel,

Nice comments.

As for the obvious Missouri poster a few posts above who seems to have been raised in a barn in Bethlehem, I will remind him one more time (& make him feel "stupid" as he said himself)....

Fact:

  1. one dislocated thumb is the only reported injury.

This must've been one whopper of a fight.

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jayhawkboogeyman 4 years, 11 months ago

If the police have found some kind of connection between these events, the newspaper certainly has not. How the non-KU person who was arrested is involved with disputes between KU people is a key piece of the story here that the author fails miserably to string together. And 100- You make an obvious but important point. The whole incident has been construed as a "fight," or a "melee"; that is simply not accurate. It was a lot of talk and not much action. When 100 boys that big have a "melee," there is going to be a lot of blood and broken bones. Since there's only one injury, there must have been only one actual fight, with a lot of buddies standing around looking tough and trash talking.

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jayhawkboogeyman 4 years, 11 months ago

So... I just watched this scandalous video of the "brawl." I can't imagine how stupid or desperate someone would have to say that that video shows a "brawl." There are a couple dozen guys mulling around on the sidewalk. The two fools doing the talking on the video make it sound like a scene out of "Braveheart" or something. The more I hear about this the clearer it becomes that this is not even worth mentioning ever again. The robot-sounding guy on the video says that police could file charges after reviewing the tape - What could they possibly charge anyone in the video with? Orderly conduct? Standing innocently outside a building? Being present in public?

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

Boogeyman,

Finally a few of us are seeing things with a keener eye guided by a more wholesome sense of humor. Good solid points.

Let's put it this way, in this day & age, if there were really 3 big fights between 115 college athletes on a peaceful but techy campus of 30,000, there would be multiple camera angles of videos & JPG.

Alas, one dislocated thumb is the only reported injury & the only footage is of people standing around & a team walking to the team bus for the sake of safety (smart move obviously by the coaching staff).

Hey look none of us are proud of this stuff & if given too much freedom chaos can ensue with anyone -- it's time to run some sprints for two weeks straight & hit the books, but most of all remember the number one...

One dislocated thumb.

One huge mistake.

One team.

One championship.

One trophy.

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KGphoto 4 years, 11 months ago

LJW. How is the football team involved? I just want one football player's name. Just one. I've never seen anything like this. Tyshawn is being drug through the mud and the football team is skating.

You reported that the two teams had a riot. Yet Tyshawn is the only name.

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100 4 years, 11 months ago

The football player who received a punch from Tyshawn is a redshirt -- a name that didn't seem to ring a bell with anyone except for one 19 year old girl.

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4 years, 11 months ago

Nice find, Yahweh. Thanks for sharing.

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lance1jhawk 4 years, 11 months ago

Great video Yahweh. Really gets me pumped for the long road the Hawks have in front of them.

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buckleyhawk 4 years, 11 months ago

100...

Your "facts" report made me laugh real hard. Nice work.

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KURocksChalk 4 years, 11 months ago

Changing the subject, I noted that OU has to host Texas the week before they (OU) come to Lawrence. AND I noted that Nebraska plays host to OU the week before the Huskers have to come to Lawrence. I think that bodes well for the Hawks. Two tough games are at home against what I hope are beat-up teams.

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