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Originally published November 21, 2009 at 06:31p.m., updated November 22, 2009 at 12:00a.m.

Wright’s role clarified

Linebacker didn’t seek out Perkins

Kansas linebacker Arist Wright stands perplexed after a Colorado touchdown during the second quarter Saturday, Oct. 17, 2009 at Folsom Field.

Kansas linebacker Arist Wright stands perplexed after a Colorado touchdown during the second quarter Saturday, Oct. 17, 2009 at Folsom Field.

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Kansas University athletic director Lew Perkins stands on the sideline during the Jayhawks’ game against Texas on Nov. 21 in Austin, Texas.

A source familiar with how the investigation into Kansas University football coach Mark Mangino started said that a clarification is in order in regard to Arist Wright’s role in it.

Athletic director Lew Perkins, the source said, launched the investigation after concerns about Mangino’s behavior, including his treatment of Wright, were brought to the athletic department’s attention by a non-player. Assistant athletic director Chris Howard then sought out Wright and asked him about the incident in question, and Wright cooperated, the source said.

Thornton mum on rumor of transfers

Asked following Saturday’s 51-20 loss to No. 3 Texas whether there was any validity to rumors that multiple Jayhawks were seeking transfers, senior defensive back Justin Thornton reserved comment.

“I’m just going to focus on what happened tonight,” Thornton said. “Right now, we’re looking forward to Missouri. After the season, if you want to ask me questions, I’ll be happy to answer things after all this unfolds. But right now, we’d rather just focus on the things that we’ve got to and picking up this last win.”

Tech describes ‘Nick’ tribute

On Saturday, as Texas Tech quarterback Taylor Potts threw for 388 yards and two touchdowns on the way to a 41-13 Red Raiders victory over Oklahoma, he did so with an interesting uniform alteration.

Instead of wearing “Potts” on the back of his jersey, the junior from Abilene, Texas, had “Nick” across his shoulders.

“I never had the opportunity to meet a guy named Nick Reid who was a linebacker for Kansas,” Tech coach Mike Leach said. “And I always felt like he personified what a football player is and what a football player should be. I’d actually like to have a picture of Nick Reid.

“But anyway, we decided as Potts was going through his tough times, we decided all of our players, we’d like them to be more like Nick and led by Nick would be even better. We figured it wouldn’t hurt us to have a Nick, so now we do.”

Reid, who was a former Big 12 defensive player of the year at Kansas, recently defended Mangino and his approach in response to KU’s investigation into the coach.

Opurum injured

Kansas running back Toben Opurum, the team’s leading rusher this season with 554 yards, left Saturday’s game early in the first quarter because of what appeared to be a leg or ankle injury.

Before leaving, Opurum rushed twice for 13 yards, including a 12-yard carry on third-and-one that gave the Jayhawks a first down at the Texas 46-yard line.

Beshears doesn’t make trip

D.J. Beshears, a true freshman who has started three games for the Jayhawks at cornerback, did not make the trip to Austin this weekend.

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Brett Marsteller 9 years, 2 months ago

This is why people need to shut their mouth until all the information comes out!

Roy Scherff 9 years, 2 months ago

Nothings changed from my limited vantage point. Im still a fan of Mark Mangino!

sdoyel 9 years, 2 months ago

Maybe people just need to shut up period.

This "un named" source could've been a water boy for all we know.

optichawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Well...I heard from my neighbor who went to HS with a guy that got his haircut by a barber that said his paperboy was the little brother of a person that was close to the cousin of a girl that is a crimson girl who went out with a source that was lose to the investigation.... wait, what??

Jacobpaul81 9 years, 2 months ago

Looking more and more like Lew Perkins and less and less like Mark Mangino. I make no secret that I dislike Lew, his management of our programs, and his lack of respect for Kansas. I wish he'd stayed at UCONN.

pwaite24 9 years, 2 months ago

Probably the "players coach" Bowen...trying to weasel his way into a head coaching position.

Phaedrus Cj 9 years, 2 months ago

Ah the famous un-named source. An LJW specialty.

The fact that a source close to the investigation is leaking this information confirms that the investigation is a sham.

actorman 9 years, 2 months ago

"Ah the famous un-named source. An LJW specialty.

The fact that a source close to the investigation is leaking this information confirms that the investigation is a sham."

You're right, phaedruscj, clearly no one else in the history of journalism has ever used an unnamed source. Are you really that stupid, or are you just trying to get a rise out of people? I can tell you for a FACT (having heard these kinds of stories from multiple players over the years) that this is typical behavior for Mangino. Perhaps you guys are right that the timing is suspect and that Lew wants Mangino out of there. But have you ever thought that maybe one of the reasons he wants him out of there is BECAUSE of things like these? It's funny how you guys seem to care more about the timing of the accusations than the accusations themselves. If these things really happened (and I would say the odds are very high that they did), there is simply NO EXCUSE! To quote one of my friends, who is not a KU fan and thus has an unbiased perspective, if Mangino is really like this he is simply despicable. And no amount of winning in the world (not that he's winnning that much anyway these days, but that's another story) can excuse that type of behavior. I look forward to the day when we can get a football coach with the class of a Bill Self. I would hope we can find someone who can at least keep KU at the mediocre level we're currently at, but I'm fairly confident that with all of Lew's knowledge and connections, he can find someone who has class AND knows can actually make decisions in games that don't drive people insane.

97jhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

FINALLY!!!!

I've only posted this info a few times now to get people to stop knocking Arist. It was a player's parent that mentioned the story about Arist to Lew after the parent complained about his own son and how he had been treated by Mangino. Arist was just called in to confirm the story and determine the severity of the situation (Lew searching for more fuel for "the fire." Arist even said that it was NOT physical abuse by Mangino. So, everybody just back off the players and stop posting stuff about Arist without knowing the truth.

okiedave 9 years, 2 months ago

My guess is Chancellor Bernadette received a call from one of Wright's relatives and told Lew to investigate it. Lew would never had made a big deal over a poke in the chest unless ordered by his boss. Football is a game of controlled violence. Players have to be toughened up to be able to play this violent sport. A football coach can't treat it like an English class. Classroom educators, who have never played the sport or coached the sport, just do not understand what it takes to get players to play a game of violence with skill. We are repeating the same mistake that Colorado did in destroying their football program about five years ago [female C.U. Chancellor calls for investigation of a coach being insensitive and rough on players - football program goes down tubes]. I am sure all the Big XII North schools are gleefully smiling that we are about to do the same thing.

actorman 9 years, 2 months ago

You guys are right that the poke in the chest is very little. Sadly, that's only the tip of the iceberg. There are NUMEROUS other things Mangino has done to show that he does not deserve to remain the coach at KU (or anywhere else for that matter). I will agree with you guys on one thing, though: the associate AD should be fired as well.

troutsee 9 years, 2 months ago

You are right on, actorman, both comments.

Steve Brown 9 years, 2 months ago

associate AD slap around his wife a bit, is this true. maybe he was helping her grow as a woman and make up for 18yrs. of poor parenthood. perhaps she was emblishing quite a bit. He may have lost some support around here, but not the ladies he bangs around.

until he got the oread house should have seen the place they came from and I bet he took her to the orange bowl, what gratitude she would complain now that they are losing.

geeez

ftball101 9 years, 2 months ago

Listen.. as a former D1 college football player, I can tell you that fans, as much as they'd like to think so, do not know what actually happens behind close doors, or on the practice field. I know many current and former KU players, and I have heard them all say the same thing about mangino. None of them back him, or respect them. Of course current players are going to have his back because they are still playing for him. And I can assure you that a "poke in the chest" was lightly put. You all say that to be a good coach he needs to be a disciplinarian...there is a difference between disciplinarian and authoritarian. Mangino goes way over the limit with his players.

Look at Pete Carroll at USC.. he always pulls pranks with them, invites celebrities in to joke around with the guys, and all the players respect him and still win. Even coach Kelly at Oregon has a "fun day" where they go on the game field and play different games to build team chemistry. It is time to find a new coach. The stories that have come out about Mangino aren't even the worst ones yet.

Steve Brown 9 years, 2 months ago

does anyone know whether MM had prior knowledge that Lew was mtg. with the players last monday or was he kept out of the loop that a mtg. would or may take place. a pal said he was caught unaware and I say that if practice was to start and they were not there rather in a big auditorium or somewhere large enough to hold everyone with Lew then he would have to know in advance.

anyone?

ftball101 9 years, 2 months ago

Even Kirk herbstreit said today that "if these allegations are true, it goes above and beyond what any coach at any level should be doing to try to motivate players." and the sad thing is, that it is true.

MNHawk23 9 years, 2 months ago

actorman- thank you, i completely agree 100%

We need a coach with class, i think mangino is a very good coach but he just isnt right for KU. we need a Bill Self-type guy, who knows his football. 90% of the best coaches around the country are the classy ones

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jchief40 9 years, 2 months ago

Lew Perkins is a Reptilian. That's what everybody's saying around these parts anyway. Don't know if it's true. So is Adrian Peterson. Saw it with my own two eyes.

bayareajhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

There are two conclusions to be drawn from the manner in which Lew Perkins has conducted this witch hunt:

1) Lew has no class. 2) Mangino's position is untenable after all the PR damage.

Mangino may never be a head coach again. Lew may take 6.6 million out of his pocket while permanently ruining his chances of a lateral move. All of this for the guy who won an Orange Bowl and National Coach of the Year two seasons ago.

Our AD is a bit Machiavellian. I don't like it. Today it's rap music instead of the pep band at Allen Fieldhouse. Tomorrow it's Jayhawk Basketball brought to you by Burger King and coming to you from their new home: Weed Eater Stadium in beautiful Kansas City, Missouri, the first stadium in history to be comprised totally of luxury boxes.

He had better have something up his sleeve. I hope he hires someone excellent and then fires himself for cause.

Lance Hobson 9 years, 2 months ago

A woman is conducting an investigation on a football coach? How can this possibly work? She will be completely shocked and flabbergasted about totally normal actions conducted by every football program in the country, including high school. This is a joke and a terrible idea. There is no way a woman could possibly understand the dynamics of a football team. Certainly not enough to know what crosses the line or not. This is the dumbest thing I've seen Perkins do, and it really makes me question his motives.

Todd 9 years, 2 months ago

To me this makes the situation even worse. The complaints weren't even brought within the system. It's looking more like what Mangino says is what's right and the rest is getting cloudy. This reeks of parental involvement.

phoenixhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

It is not going to matter, I hope everyone enjoyed the small bit of success the last few years at KU, because after what has happened, it is going to take a lot for the program to move forward. Here is what I see, we have a coach that possibly goes to far in the discipline area and we possibly have an AD that wants our gruff coach gone and will trump up charges to make it happen and we possilby have a chancellor that doesn't like the violence of football and will chickify the sport into oblivion. We possibly have current players that want to transfer out of the program and we know that we have a pretty good incoming class of recruits that are being hounded right now by all the teams that came in second to our recruits and we are continueing with this circus we call big time college football to keep feeding those schools fuel to make the verbal committments null and void and I was laughing earlier this year with all the BS that was going down over at Kitty land. Pretty pathetic!

Tom Gillaspie 9 years, 2 months ago

It's time to face the music. Mangino is gone after the Missouri game. Even if we win that game - no bowl game this year. So let's hope that Perkins (who most people dislike for legitimate and ill-legitimate reasons) is a good enough money guy to bring in a winning football coach. It needs to be done quickly to save as many recruits as possible. I wonder if Perkins already has someone in mind? HMMMMMM.

number1jayhawker 9 years, 2 months ago

lighthawk, they do not have practice on Mondays. They practice on Sundays instead.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that Mangino has always had his favorites and always picks a few players to put in his doghouse. It's called the "whipping boy syndrome".

Bill Kackley 9 years, 2 months ago

Phoenixhawk and okiedave you both hit the nail on the head. Lew and the new Chancelor have returned us to the dregs of football. I will be giving up my season ticket that I have held for 12 years and will be telling Lew why I am. I encourage others to do the same. We need to get rid of this overbearing money sucking -------.

kitley 9 years, 2 months ago

Wait a huge minute here. How has no one seen the biggest story on this page?? What is the deal with this Nick Reid thing? Taylor Potts wore Nick on his jersey because Leach liked one of OUR linebackers from 6 years ago that he never met? Of all of the people in the world, football, big 12, past or present, he told his QB to put Nick on his jersey? I think that is a huge honor but that is up there on the weird scale right next to Marv Albert fighting with 50 cents crew.

Philip Bowman 9 years, 2 months ago

As I suspected days ago, Perkins is behind this. To say that he isn't meddling with the team is silly. He went to the team, behind the Coach's back, and repeated a buch of hearsay about the Coach. Hardly what I'd call fair play. Then, of course, Coach is damaged by the fallout of the accusations such that he can't continue in his position. The problem will come when Perkins tries to use this to avoid Mangino's contract rights. It will cost KU a lot of money, perhaps millions in damages and legal expense. That money should come from Perkins' well-lined pockets.

Again, I say, get rid of Perkins. And when we are done with that, investigate the chancellor's role. It seems likely she has been involved all along since she immediately came out and said she fully supported Perkins. However, in the end KU football will be a long time in recovering from this fiasco.

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

You people who don't like Lew are probably the same ones who want socialized healthcare to be forced on us. The thing they have in common is they resent "money people" and are jealous of "rich people". They want others to pay their way, but what they fail to acknowledge is that if the money people didn't pay the lion's share, we wouldn't have the facilities or the money to pay the salaries of Mangino or Self. Without a money guy like Lew, KU athletics would be even further behind the big boys in the Big 12.

If Lew had failed to investigate this situation after the complaints from a player's parent cracked open the door to alleged abuse, you same people would be crying that Lew is a horrible human being because he doesn't care for the student athletes. He did exactly what he needed to do under the circumstances. There's no way you can expect a players meeting to be kept hush-hush because some of the kids want Mangino fired. But without having a meeting, Lew couldn't determine the severity of the alleged problem.

wolfy 9 years, 2 months ago

Mike Leach has his quarterback change the name on his jersey to "Nick" to motivate him to play like Nick Reid. What? And Leach says, "I’d actually like to have a picture of Nick Reid." What? Leach is the oddest of odd ducks.

bayareajhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

KU, in my case you're wrong. I do want socialized medicine, but only because it's proven to be a better system. It has nothing to do with resenting money. Just do little research and look what the healthiest countries in the world have in common. Most of my family members are doctors and lawyers. You might be surprised to learn that the most vehement supporters of socialized medicine in my family are the doctors. Our system is broken and they know it more than anyone. My dad says he likes to perform surgery but he hates to fill out 587 insurance forms every day. Did you know that more than 50% of our health care costs are administrative? We could erase almost all of that just by simplifying the insurance system. A single payer would allow all of our costs to go down.

But back to football, guess what these same lawyers and doctors in my family who want socialized medicine have in common (besides actually being educated on the issue)? They've been screwed by Lew because they've made anonymous donations in the past that didn't count towards their Williams Fund donations. My grandpa has probably given more to the university over the years than most corporations, but he did it anonymously because he wasn't trying to get attention for it. Then Lew yanked his season tickets because he hadn't given enough money in his own name. That single move by Lew cost the University millions of dollars. My grandpa is pissed. He's been punished for his humility by a man who probably doesn't understand such things.

Lew is bringing in corporate money, but he's ruining relationships the university has had for over fifty years. My grandpa (and uncles) aren't the only ones. Everyone in my family went to and loves KU. And they all hate Lew Perkins.

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

bayareaj.....Yeah, the government does soooo well running Medicare and the wealth restribution program called Social Security we want them running healthcare, too.

You ARE right that the insurance piece is one of the biggest culprits in spiralling healthcare costs. But the fix is to get rid of the "group health plans" that are so counter-productive, not having the government run the program. Group plan members can have an elective surgery done for a $25 co-pay that costs "someone" $10,000 or more. That "someone" is their employer and the insurance company that administer's their group health plan. The employer and insurance company pass the cost along to the employee/group plan member in the form of a) lower wages on the part of the employer and b) higher premiums on the part of the insurance company. (Aside: liberals don't seem to get the fact that there exist no costs or taxes that are NOT passed down to the individual consumer. All tax increases or cost increases are therefore charged to the "little man". All corporate taxes are passed on to the consumer in the form of higher prices for goods and services. All insurance cost increases are passed on to the consumer in the form of lower wages and higher premiums.

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

There's no incentive to find the doctor/hospital with the most cost-effective surgery because the consumer only has to pay his little $25 co-pay. There is probably a doc that would do the surgery for only $5000 IF a) he didn't have to fill out all those forms you talked about, and b) he didn't have to worry about the trial lawyers suing him for every penny he has.

We have to get back to individual responsibility for healthcare costs and get rid of the group insurance plans. That's the only way we can incentivize consumers to seek a) wellness/prevention programs, b) the most cost-effective treatment.

You would think it insane to have a "group car buying program" where you just paid a $25 co-pay to buy a brand new Mercedes while the true cost of the car was passed on to your employer and the insurance company, who in turn passed it back to you in the form of lower wages and higher premiums. So why is it sane to have a "group health insurance program"??

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

You misstated the problem at hand: you couched it in terms of the quality of healthcare and the health of the citizens. Your family members that are docs would take issue with your assessment. We have a greatest health care system in the world. The problem is spiralling costs, which can be addressed by a) getting rid of group health insurance plans, b) tort reform to protect docs from frivolous law suits, c) refusing to pay the bill for illegal immigrants and deporting them when they are exposed in the healthcare system.

And if socialized medicine were truly a better system that produces healthier people, why do Canadians and English and Europeans and people from all over the world come to the USA to get a higher quality of health care?

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

Sorry to highjack this sports venue for healthcare talk, but I can't stand to let the words of people stand uncontested who don't think through the issues logically, fail to identify the true problem and fail to propose solutions that actually remedy the problem. We have enough of those people in Congress already. It's time for clear-thinking Americans to stand up and put them in their place.

Now back to your straw man argument about your poor grandpa who made anonymous gifts to KU: I have made enough anonymous gifts in my life to know that they are not "untraceable". If he wanted to create a paper trail for all his donations, he could do it. That's your grandpa's fault, not Lew Perkins' fault. (Aside: "victimhood"--it's not my fault--is another of the great weaknesses of our culture today.)

hawkone 9 years, 2 months ago

Could someone please give this person "KU" a hug. Obviously needs one.

troutsee 9 years, 2 months ago

Bayarea, agree with what you said about health care. However, I do think that Lew has been a good thing for KU. What Lew did was to level the playing field. Unfortunately, a few got hurt, like your grandfather. That is regretable and too bad. Yet, you can't make everyone happy.

KU, spoken like a died-in-the-wool Republican. I am a doc and I do not agree with most of what you said. In fact, I left the GOP over the last few years because I became convinced that the party does not care about the little guy, especially in health care. What you said above does not address the issue of access. Unless there is access to health care for all Americans, we will continue to do an abysmal job of providing chronic care to the poor. Your slam of Medicare is incorrect. It is the most efficiently run insurance company in the United States. Furthermore, people over 65 would be in a terrible fix if it were not for Medicare. We need a public option. A public option does not mean everyone will have to sign up for it. It means it will be an option.

We all are already paying for the care for the poor via crisis care through our emergency rooms. What could be more expensive than this? What is more, only by giving access to chronic care and preventive care are we truly going to have a healthier society. Of equal importance is addressing the gap in our educational system. Public health care and public education go hand-in-hand.

Yeah, we have great health care......but only for those who can afford it!!!!!!

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

troutsee........A few comments:

1) Lew has been good for KU. Without him we would be near the bottom of the Big 12 in revenue and budget.

2) I wasn't addressing the issue of access, but I will now. This argument is a red herring. Everyone has access to medical care. People like you and me PAY for the access of homeless, indigents, and those who generally don't take care of their own responsibility to have coverage. We pay through higher costs of procedures and higher insurance costs. Of course there will always be the truly needy among us who--through no fault of their own--need assistance, but putting EVERYONE on the government dole to pay for healthcare because there are some people you falsely perceive to have no access to healthcare? Come on. I can see you are trained in medicine and not in economics, philosophy or logic.

3) If Medicare is so efficient, why is it one of the big socialist programs that is about to bankrupt our country? What about the billions of dollars of fraud in the Medicare program that has been exposed? I don't buy your argument that it's "the most efficient medical insurance company in the United States". First of all, it's not medical insurance--let's call it what it really is: redistribution of wealth. The government charges a huge payroll tax to gainfully-employed citizens and shifts that money to elderly people who were not able to save enough to pay for their own healthcare needs, in part because of excessive government taxation.

4) "People would be in a terrible fix if it weren't for Medicare". Would they? I guess we don't know for sure. What if we never had Medicare in the first place? That would have been ideal. Then people would have made RATIONAL decisions about their healthcare before they became senior citizens and would have seen to their OWN care rather than relying on 20-somethings to pay their medical bills. Medicare is a government "pass the buck" program that passes personal responsibility to the next generation. How rational is that?? How efficient is that??

5) The only way you're going to increase access is to control costs and make them reasonable so poor people can afford to go to the doctor for preventive care and basic healthcare needs. Taxing corporations and the "wealthy" to pay for the healthcare of the poor isn't the answer--it is proven that corporations pass on their taxation costs to employees and consumers in the form of lower salaries and higher costs of goods and services. When the creators of wealth have

ginger2015 9 years, 2 months ago

This article has absolutely nothing to do with healthcare or politics. At least not national politics.

troutsee 9 years, 2 months ago

We did not have Medicare before 1965. The reason we got it was because health care was bandrupting our elderly. Administrative costs for Medicare is 5% and for private insurance is >20%. In Germany and Japan, insurance companies are not for profit. That would make sense. Fraud and abuse exists in private insurance as well, especially in their selectivity of patients. 47 to 50 million without insurance and the rich could give two cents. But I am not going to argue it with you. You have your views and I have mine. I have gone the full circle, from a protectionist to a humanist. The latter feels better.

I said before, I totally agree with you comments regarding Lew.

actorman 9 years, 2 months ago

Congratulations, KU, you've graduated. The Republican brainwashing is complete. You can now enter the fascist/corporate sector like a good little sheep, complete with all of your insane right-wing talking points. You make so many statements that are off the wall and not even remotely accurate that it's not worth spending much time on , especially in a sports forum. But I can't let your ridiculous ranting go by without at least a couple of comments: I continue to find it fascinating that 19 of the 20 most industrialized countries in the world have some form of national healthcare. Clearly, 95% of the industrialized countries in the world are wrong and we -- the all-knowing, all-powerful United States -- are the only ones who truly know how things should be run. That of course would explain why we spend twice as much on healthcare as any other country and get half the results. Don't believe me? Look up the rates for infant mortality, life expectancy, and about a thousand other factors. We are near the bottom of the civilized world in virtually every one of those categories, despite spending twice as much as the other countries. You're right: we clearly have the greatest healthcare system in the world.

scourge74 9 years, 2 months ago

I had a preview of the proposed, national health care last week. I visited the VA hospital. Holy moly, what a joke.

bayareajhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

Rush Limbaugh's clone (aka KU): Slow down there, buddy. First, you won't find very many doctors who will tell you our system is the best in the world. First based on what? By nearly every statistical analysis we are not #1. We pay more, need more care, and die earlier than Western Europeans who have national health care systems. You're right that we have some excellent doctors. Some big news in the soccer world this week is that there is a woman in Belgrade who treats certain injuries by rubbing horse placenta into them. Players who were supposed to be out for over a month are playing days later. Players are flooding into her clinic from every country in Europe. Does that mean Serbia has the best health care system in the world?

As for my Grandpa, you misinterpreted what I said. Nobody should feel sorry for him. He's just pissed that people who gave less money than him now sit in his seats because they attached their name to their gifts and he didn't. How is it his fault that he didn't act according to a system that didn't exist at the time he made his donations? He was just making donations because he loves KU. It had nothing to do with tickets. He thought of his donations and his tickets as totally separate entities, because that's what they always had been until Lew Perkins came along. So how is any of it his fault? I guess he should have used his crystal ball.

troutsee: You sound like my dad. Can't you doctors get together and do something to educate Limbaugh/Hannity listeners who still think we have the best health care system in the world EVER!!!!!!!

I have to take care of some things now, but I would be interested in having the Lew Perkins debate with you when I'm done with my errands. To be continued, I suppose...

Dirk Medema 9 years, 2 months ago

It was interesting to watch the higlights of the ND vs UConn game in light of all that is happening with KU FB. Edsell (?) seems like a real quality coach, and the program has become quite respectible in just a decade or so of D1 play. It would seem to me that Lew is also capable of replicating that at KU.

It would also be interesting to find out if all KU coaches have the same language in their contracts; the language being used to try to remove Coach Mangino withut a buyout.

My guess is that others do not include that language, but that it was added in this case because there was a history of these incidents. I also seem to recall reading comments about Coach being warned in the past similar about incidents, so it's not like this is coming out of the blue for Coach Mangino. Sorry that I don't have the journalistic integrity (or interest) to retain or document the previously noted references.

BayArea - Sorry to hear about the strained relationships of your gramps and uncles. I agree with their view of donations, tho unfortunately w/o the $ to have it make much difference. After seeing all the buildings, fields, courts, water fountains, ..., named after some benefactor, I dreamt of winning enough $ to be able to give one of those $MM gifts with the stipulation that a building be built/scholarship offered and not named after my family. Maybe someday, and we'll call it "Nick".

Along those lines, I wonder if Reid got any royalties to the naming rights to Tech's QB?

KU 9 years, 2 months ago

actorman.....you betray your own ignorance when you say I'm a facist........Facism is leftist.......Did Hitler nationalize everything? Um......yeah

Go back to school.......apparently you didn't learn your lessons.

To borrow from Mangino, bayarea....."There are certain students that I can't fix in 4 years of college whose parents screwed them up over the previous 18 years".

TrueBlue92 9 years, 2 months ago

Wow this is a long stream so I doubt anyone will find this, but it appears to me the football program itself is a victim of it's own success. Four straight years of better and better recruiting classes means a lot of once-big-dogs being replaced by younger players. We are perpetually young right now as frosh and sophs quickly penetrate the depth charts.

Lew doesn't need a reason to send Mangino packing. If he wants to make the change he should for the sake of the program. Where is MM's pay relative to the rest of the world? Is he performing at that level? He was not hired to be popular with anyone, he was hired to be a football coach. If he is not doing well on that, then he should be gone.

Additionally, the "D" has not been worth a crap since Coach Young left. When the head coach has to spend 95% of the time with the defense for half the season then there is a problem. When the head coach hires a defensive consultant to work with the defensive coordinator then there is a problem. That problem needs to be corrected. This was far too much talent to have the worst record in the league.

Finally, our players are not strong. There are only a few of the players which are beefier than the basketball team for goodness sake. Are we building track atheletes or a football team?? I think the weight and conditioning program needs to be corrected based on the lack of upper body strength based on tackling and the inability for our linemen to establish the line of scrimmage against such football powers as Kansas State and Iowa State.

KU -- The political science forum is elsewhere. When you discuss this stuff on a football board you prove that you are seeking an audience because nobody is listening to you.

s6u6r6f 9 years, 2 months ago

When I need health care, I fly to Thailand. The football coverage sucks, but the medical services and facilities for paying customers is second to none. The money you save on any procedure can more than cover the airfare. Plus the post op care available from young and nubile caregivers is exquisite.

TrueBlue, why have you posted a comment about football on this page? Can't you see that this is the political debate page? What? It's not? Oh, sorry...my bad.

Dan Harris 9 years, 2 months ago

KU- well said and 100% right about your assessment of our health care problems. Actorman- if all those people of those countries(19) were so happy with their gov health care why do they continually come the US when they get a major illness???????????

Enough of politics, lets beat the hell out mizzery!

troutsee 9 years, 2 months ago

Actorman--right on.

jhawk dan, They don't continually come to the US but some do. But, jhawkdan, you are missing the point. Yes, we have great health care (probably the best) for those who can afford it. Thus, what we have is good chronic care for those with insurance and terrible chronic care for those who can't afford it. Therefore, as a country we rank way down in health care compared to other industrialized countries. We have excellent crisis care, but we pay for too much, especially at the end of life. Crisis care, i.e. emergency care, is very expensive and only temporizing. Whenever social needs are unmet by private industry, the social outcry is so great that the feds must step in. Our health care system is not good. We leave too many people out. Many of those living in comfort have ignored this for years.

A one payer system would allow the government to negotiate pharmaceuticals, set standards, etc. And, I am not entirely blaming big pharma and big insurance, because they are doing what their stock holders want them to do, make a profit, but in so doing they leave many wanting. That is why non-for profit insurance is attractive. However, I would much prefer a single payer system as espounded by Frisco.

I guess some people are listening....thus the debate.

Andy Smith 9 years, 2 months ago

I rarely post. I can't resist. The leaders that are attempting to "fix" our health care system are guided by an ideology of power and control. A crisis is an opportunity for them. They love collectivism. ...'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards to individual liberty have been eroded. F.A. Hayek, 1938. This 'health care" debate is not about health care. It's about control. There are many ideas to improve health care delivery and to lower costs. Unfortunately, these options are not really part of the discussion because they rely primarily upon free market principles and individualism. Our 230 year experiment will end badly when we give up on the individual. As a member of the medical community, I am truly disgusted by the idea of a government run health care system. I'm counting the days to retirement. I am concerned for my children. I hope they are healthy Jayhawks. Oh, I almost forgot......Mangino is the face of the football program. Perkins is the face of the athletic department. We need a face lift.

Andy Smith 9 years, 2 months ago

I forgot the most important post you'll read all week - - BEAT Missouri!

bayareajhawk 9 years, 2 months ago

KU, I appreciate your honesty. It's a shame you feel so negatively about your parents.

actorman 9 years, 2 months ago

"actorman.....you betray your own ignorance when you say I'm a facist........Facism is leftist......."

Wow, KU, you're even stupider than I thought. So Hitler was a leftist, huh? For your information, leftists believe in everyone being treated fairly, in "little people" having an equal opportunity and power not being concentrated in the hands of a few elite people. Are you saying that the Nazis and Ku Klux Klan, etc. in this country are leftists? You really have taken your ignorance to a whole new level.

And for those of you who keep referring to the people "streaming into this country" for healthcare, I'll echo what troutsee said: why don't you actually consider how much money these people have? You think anyone who's middle class or lower could come here to get medical treatment??? Not a chance. So yes, if you're rich, you can get the best care here. But for everyone else ... forget it. And if you think insurance is the answer, you don't know enough about how insurance companies operate, doing everything in their power to screw the people who really need them. If our system is so great, then why do 44,000 people a year die because they don't have insurance? Why are 40% of all bankruptcies caused by health-care costs? The numbers go on and on and show that we are becoming more and more morally bankrupt as a country, as our heartlessness and lack of empathy continue to expand. I could go on and on but I don't know why I even bother to make points, because actual facts have never meant anything to right-wing fanatics. So don't bother worrying about the truth; just be good little "ditto-heads" and listen to every gem that you are told by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and all the other lying bastards--er, "fair and balanced" commentators.

troutsee 9 years, 2 months ago

Wow, actorman, you and I need to mix blood. We seem to be kindred spirits.

I used to be one of "them" until I wised up during the arrogant Bush administration. Glenn Beck has emerged as one of the most disgusting people I have ever observed. Of course, Limbaugh, Hannity, and O'Rielly are right up or down there with him.

Kansasbb--it is not about enhancing central control. It all about being a humanist, something that many in health care have come to remember as being the reason they went into health care in the first place. The worst thing that has happened to physicians over the last 50 years was the initiation of the publication, "Medical Economics." It made many physicians forget why they went into medicine in the first place and put the pursuit of the almighty dollar at the top. Too bad. However, many physicians simply can't stand what has happened. Providing a means for everyone to have access to health care is simply the right thing to do. The GOP has done everything it can do to cloak this as big government getting bigger. Blah, blah, blah. I don't buy it any more. The GOP also insists they are protecting individual freedoms. Bull. They are protecting their pocket books.

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