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Thursday, February 26, 2009

Collison to attend Hinrich ceremony

Thunder forward to be in fieldhouse for Bulls guard's honor

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Kirk Hinrich will see a familiar face in the stands Sunday afternoon when his jersey No. 10 is hung for eternity in the rafters of Allen Fieldhouse.

Fellow Iowa native and former Kansas University teammate Nick Collison, whose No. 4 was hoisted high in the sky in 2003, will return to Lawrence for the ceremony, which will take place at halftime of the KU-Missouri game, set for a 1 p.m. tipoff.

“I think it’s cool. He’s one of my best friends,” Iowa Falls native Collison, a power forward with the Oklahoma City Thunder, said of Sioux City’s Hinrich, a point guard/shooting guard with the Chicago Bulls.

Both the Bulls and Thunder have off days Sunday.

Collison and Hinrich, who were in the same recruiting class as three-year KU player Drew Gooden, led KU to a 113-29 record from 1999-2003, winning two Big 12 titles and reaching two Final Fours in that span.

Is it fitting the players often referred to as one (“Nick and Kirk”) both will have their jerseys hanging in the fieldhouse?

“I think so. Drew is up there, too,” Collison added of the Sacramento Kings forward who had his jersey hung in 2003. “We all came in the same class. It’s great for Kirk and his family.”

Collison said he believes Hinrich — who is ninth in KU career scoring, fourth in assists, sixth in steals, third in most minutes played, third in three-pointers made, fifth in career free-throw percentage and 13th in career field goals made — deserves the highest honor that can be accorded a Jayhawk player.

“I think he’s one of the best ever to play at KU for sure,” Collison said of Hinrich, who hit a school-record 50.5 percent of his threes his sophomore season. “I’m not exactly sure what the criteria is, but he definitely deserves to be up there.”

The original criteria for retiring a player’s jersey included being named college basketball’s player of the year, MVP of the NCAA Tournament or a four-time All-American. The criteria was changed prior to the 2002-03 season to include consensus first-team All-Americans, two-time first-team All-Americans and Academic All-American of the Year.

In the 2004-05 season, the Forgotten Five — Dave Robisch, Bud Stallworth, Bill Bridges, Darnell Valentine and Walt Wesley — were deemed worthy of jersey retirement with no criteria taken into consideration.

They were All-Americans who earned diplomas at KU.

KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony on Wednesday explained KU’s current policy regarding the hanging of jerseys in the rafters.

“We know there are written guidelines and we are using them as just that — guidelines — rather than using them as hard-and-fast rules at this time,” Marchiony said.

“We think every Kansas fan realizes the important part Kirk played in a very successful era in Kansas basketball, and you won’t get any arguments about whether Kirk’s jersey belongs up in the rafters.”

Hinrich, 28, who was a first-team All-Big 12 pick his junior and senior seasons and a third-team All-American his senior year, was selected by the Bulls with the seventh overall pick in the 2003 NBA Draft.

“Without question, he’s one of the greatest to ever play here,” KU coach Bill Self said. “His teams won, and he was a huge part of that. He’s been a great pro and is one of the great ambassadors of this university.”

Waiting list for NCAAs: The Big 12 Conference and its member institutions have partnered with Sprint Center to launch an online waiting list for those who wish to buy all-session tickets for 2009 NCAA Div. I Tournament first and second-round games on March 19 and 21 at Sprint Center.

Subject to availability, fans may purchase a maximum of four all-session tickets. Seating locations cannot be guaranteed and will be assigned randomly regardless of entry date. Tickets are subject to availability. Starting at noon today, fans may complete and submit registration forms at sprintcenter.com.

Comments

LAJayhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

“We think every Kansas fan realizes the important part Kirk played in a very successful era in Kansas basketball, and you won’t get any arguments about whether Kirk’s jersey belongs up in the rafters.”

Nope.

jackconnor1 10 years, 2 months ago

  1. It will be a special moment seeing Kirk's jersey raised.

  2. The link at the bottom of the page to the Spring Center website needs to be fixed. Un-link the period at the end, because the link as it is now takes you to a sports marketing website instead of Sprint Center.

KEITHMILES05 10 years, 2 months ago

Hinrich is worthy to be honored but to have his jersey hanging doesn't do justice to those as or more deserving.

Ron_Kellogg 10 years, 2 months ago

The watering-down of the jersey hanging tradition will continue with Chalmers and Arthur.

loudog 10 years, 2 months ago

Ron Kellogg,

Chalmers would have had his jersey hung under the older, more strict, guidelines.... he was the tournament MVP, or MOP, or whatever they're calling it now. So he, at least, would not be "watering down."

KU 10 years, 2 months ago

Ron_Kellogg (anonymous) says... "The watering-down of the jersey hanging tradition will continue with Chalmers and Arthur."

You're right, Ron. Let's just take ALL the jerseys down except for Wilt's. Come on, man! Lighten up. There's still time to get your jersey in the rafters!

Let's face it. The jersey retirement thing is about RECRUITING just as much as it is about recognizing your history. In recognizing history, you're enhancing recruiting. Recruits come in and see those jerseys and start dreaming about whether they could be the next one in the rafters at AFH. Recruits are better able to relate to the Collisons and Hinrichs and Chalmers and Arthurs than guys who played when the ball still had laces.

I think it would be appropriate for players from a National Championship team to have their jerseys in the rafters even if they played only 2 or 3 years. And doggoneit, I think a Final Four player as smooth as Ron Kellogg deserves to be up there, too!

okjhok 10 years, 2 months ago

Chalmers yes, Arthur no. On that note, had Chalmers not hit that shot and eventually been named MVP, he wouldn't deserve the honor, IMO. That's the importance of a career-defining play. With Arthur, I don't think it's even close. Had he stayed four years, probably. But without the numbers, you can't just put someone in because they had a lot of talent. Again, IMO. Obviously, it's difficult, if not impossible to come up with criteria that work.

keith horinek 10 years, 2 months ago

i would like to see a seperate banner with the national championship team's jersey numbers and names on it. retire the "whole team's numbers" rather than just one or two players. afterall it took the entire team to win it. at least the 7 or 8 players that contributed the most during the season.

quigley 10 years, 2 months ago

You all have to remember another important motivating factor here. When KU brings in the best highschool recruits to Allen, they want them to look up in the rafters and see the NBA players that they recognize. That is another reason why the players that are recognizable in the NBA, (Chalmers, Pierce, Gooden, Hinrich) are all over the highlight videos they show. No accident. Not that I care, I love Kirk and think that its great.

omng392 10 years, 2 months ago

Remember their just guidelines. If Kirk doesn't get up there, then nobody should get up there. He's got the stats to back up anyone's argument about having his jersey hung in the rafters. Now, only time will tell with Chamlers. I agree, Arthur should not be up there. I don't recall him ever hitting a game winning shot, going for 30 points 22 rebounds (nick c) on a Monday night game. You have to have the creds, and Arthur was a fine player and maybe an even better NBA player, but he just didn't out shine everyone else at KU. That's not a knock against Arthur and maybe if KU had less talent around both of these gents they would have put up even better numbers but the facts are the facts.

Jayhawk444 10 years, 2 months ago

Should the guideline include something to the effect that a player has to be at KU at least 2, or 3? years before his jersey can be retired? Last night Texas retired Kevin Durant's number 35 (not jersey). While the accomplishments of his one year at Texas were extraordinary and certainly meet even KU's older, stricter guidelines, there seems something wrong about rewarding a one-and-done like this. It's not really possible to speak about the "Kevin Durant era" at Texas when he was there only one year. Tough question for me.

FinalFinal 10 years, 2 months ago

It is now a popularity contest...Kirk is white and "old school cool" thus he gets the highest honor. Langford, Kellogg, Rush, Thompson, Scott, Woodberry, Jordan, ...were neither, thus no retirement.

Total BS, not using my ticket. Go KU.

BackFat 10 years, 2 months ago

Are there really people who think Arthur's jersey should hang from the rafters?

James Miller 10 years, 2 months ago

I just want to say, if the gentlemen in this conversation is THE Ron Kellogg, you were my first favorite basketball player and I still think of you as one of the all-time great shooters. Thanks for the memories.

JJHawq 10 years, 2 months ago

Ron Kellogg was amazing. I was a little kid and I still remember him just draining that outside shot.

Greg Lux 10 years, 2 months ago

If you play 2 yrs hang 1/2 there jersey. If you play 3 yrs hang 3/4 there jersey...OH I am joking ! I feel you get your jersey in the sky if you win that honor. No matter how good you are you need to play at least 3 yrs to be eligible. This is two sided .. the player and the school. Schools and teams are hurt by players who leave after 1 or 2 yrs. Yes, we get a great player for a short time and if winning is the end it all then I guess your happy. I like a balance of both and the honor of your jersey hanging needs to be both.

Rock Chalk

okjhok 10 years, 2 months ago

AzHawk97, I don't really agree with statements like that, because the way things are now (and the athletes aren't really at fault for this), there's a separation between the academic and athletic sides of the house. You can thank the NBA for that. If you're truly a bigger fan of the institution than of the athletics that take place there, and really care about the processes that are taking place, you wouldn't attend a single KU basketball or football game.

Ron_Kellogg 10 years, 2 months ago

I was the best shooter this school has ever seen, and I can't get no love?

okjhok 10 years, 2 months ago

...and I'm not picking on the NBA. That was just an example.

bob_woods 10 years, 2 months ago

Yes Congrats Kirk, it is an over due honor.

Chalmers and Rush Next

Chris Shaw 10 years, 2 months ago

Oljihwk: I totally agree! Great Idea! One banner with names and numbers for the "Championship Teams". Awesome Idea! I like it!

lance1jhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

FinalFinal- Are you that stupid to think this is about race.... seriously man get a clue? And if you are not going to the game on sunday because of this... then you obviously need some serious professional help. IT'S KU-MU!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 2 months ago

Kevin Durant should have had his jersey hung at Texas, KU, UNC, Duke, UCLA, or somewhere in the Sahara Desert. That kid was unreal and won POY as a Freshman. His Jersey, despite only playing one year, deserves to hang from the Texas rafters.

jayhawkintexas 10 years, 2 months ago

I agree that Kellogg should have his jersey raised and Arthur should not. I'm not really decided about whether Rush should have his jersey up there. What would be really cool is if there were a wall made of granite outside of AFH that had the names of everyone (men and women) who played for KU listed by year (kind of like the Vietnam memorial wall in DC). That way, everyone who contributed to the storied history of KU basketball would be recognized. How would we go about getting the funds raised to get this project going?

Michael Auchard 10 years, 2 months ago

Forgotten Five... I haven't forgotten any of those names and I wasn't even born when they played. Among us rabid KU fans their names are very familiar.

jayhawkintexas 10 years, 2 months ago

I haven't been in AFH for about 30 years. Are there banners with the coaches names raised? We have the Naismith floor and the Allen fieldhouse but what about rasing banners for Harper, Owens, Brown and Ol' Roy also?

esteshawk 10 years, 2 months ago

Kellogg is right - the jersey hanging has been watered down. I've been going to the Fieldhouse since the Valentine years, and always looked at awe on those handfull of jerseys. Now, there are too many to have hanging. Keep the "jersey" very rare (Chalmers belongs because of The Shot). There's already an All-american banner in the north rafters - put names there.

Kellogg was the best pure shooter I've ever seen. How many points would he have had if there'd been a three-point line? Dude owned the corner with that rainbow shot. the next closest to pure form I've seen is Rush.

Brandon Winkler 10 years, 2 months ago

finalfinal come on man...it has nothing to do with race look at all the names up there. do you think at the time that Wilt played or jojo white played they were "old school cool?" No...old school didn't exist. they were just amazing ball players and are part of the history and tradition at KU Hinrich was a stud and deserves the same honor

Can i have your ticket? :)

ROCK CHALK...STOMP THE kitties

DSommersby 10 years, 2 months ago

Congratulations Captain Kirk. I loved watching you play as you were one of the fastest men with the ball. You helped lead 2 Final 4 teams and did it all on the court. Kirk handled the ball, distributed and assisted teammates in scoring, hit shots, great defender, rebounded, and got wins. What more do you want? I said it as he was playing for KU that this guy will someday have his jersey hanging. Glad to see that day coming.

Rock Chalk Jayhawk!

KUFan90 10 years, 2 months ago

I'll argue it. I liked the old criteria. This discussion will come up every time now. With the old rules, there was no need for discussion. You were in or out. Now it's a gray area. Kirk was great, but I don't think he deserves to be up there. Sorry.

Dan Harris 10 years, 2 months ago

finalfour-playing the race card is just plain stupid or your trying to start some banter, Idiot either way! Ron, you could flat out drain it from anywhere on the court, especially the corner!

eddiesuttonschoolofdriving 10 years, 2 months ago

hinrich - yes chalmers-yes arthur-no kellogg-yes

purest shooter ever at KU? wow - a really hard one, but I think Billy Thomas had the sweetest 3 of them all - couldn't do much more than that, but what a pretty shot

Chris Shaw 10 years, 2 months ago

Azhawk: Should Bob Costas turn down all of his accolades because he never graduated from Syracuse? What about Steve Jobs who attended Reed College for one year? Steve Jobs was a one and doner baby! How about Gates at Harvard and Paul Allen very briefly at Washington State until he moved East to be with Gates? It's all about providing for the family, yourself, or whomever. Whatever it takes to do it, then do it? Americans have been spoiled the last 10-15 years and we're getting a heavy dose of "Reality". Do what's best for yourself! Everyone's situation is different.

100 10 years, 2 months ago

Ron Kellogg was a great player too, no doubt. Seemed like every time he caught a pass he was up in the rafters with a soft left handed bank shot from 20 feet.

He made it to one final four. If we're putting players up there based soley on fan memories, I can see the beef.

The fans who saw him play loved him and we always wanted the ball in his hands on a Saturday afternoon.

The problem with his beef is -- it's based on stats, too. It's also based on scope of the player's ability. Kirk did things we haven't seen since he left. Just because the national hype on him didn't pick up until he was a senior, this doesn't change what we saw for four years -- an All American. OK so he didn't get the award, but we know what we saw. Premier, precision, smart, athletic, sharp shooting, defensive saturated hustle, leadership-style based basketball.

Ron's stats just don't compare to Hinrich's, and very few KU players even come close. That's not a slight to Ron. It also doesnt change that if its a Saturday afternoon in Allen, i want the ball in Ron's hands (that last shot in the 2003 championship game Ron would have drained).

So what is Ron, if not hanging from the rafters?-- A great player who helped put KU basketball back on the map after a couple tough years in the early 80's. One of the best memories true blooded Jayhawks will ever have -- "Mr. Saturday"...

kansaswingnut 10 years, 2 months ago

I don't care what criteria you use.....Ronnie K belongs in the rafters. That kid was MONEY!

mbmerriman 10 years, 2 months ago

omng,

i dont remember arthur going for 22 and 30 ever on big monday but I do remember him going for 20 and 10 in the biggest game of his life. I dont ever remember Nick Collison showing when it really mattered, all i remember is 3-11 from the free throw line. Dont get me wrong Nick belongs up there but lets not throw Arthur under the bus like I ALWAYS see on here. What is it about Arthur that people dont like?

bvtigers76 10 years, 2 months ago

My question is why is Wayne Simien being left out of this? If i remember correctly he was a consensus all-american during his senior year and was a member of 2 final four teams.

Chris Teegarden 10 years, 2 months ago

Why Arthur always rubbed me the wrong way was becasue there were to many plays where it looked like he wasn't going hard. I know HCBS even said that wasn't the case, but it's the perception that I and I'm sure others have.

tis4tim 10 years, 2 months ago

Milt Newton should be up there. That reverse lay-up in the '88 Championship game was sweet.

bigjay83 10 years, 2 months ago

South Oak Cliff High School.

It may not have been his fault, but he's still tainted by it. Sorry Darrell.

10 years, 2 months ago

tis4tim ~ how about Milt's dunk that season at Notre Dame where he basically jumped over the defender? Even though he was wrongly called for a charge, that was a slam for the ages!

I am surprised Banner4Kirk hasn't posted on here yet today.


"The original criteria for retiring a player’s jersey included being named college basketball’s player of the year, MVP of the NCAA Tournament or a four-time All-American. The criteria was changed prior to the 2002-03 season to include consensus first-team All-Americans, two-time first-team All-Americans and Academic All-American of the Year."

As loudog indicated, Chalmers will have his jersey retired regardless of opinion.

kuballa09 10 years, 2 months ago

Am I the only one who hates the abbrev's: AFH and HCBS. LOL

Alex Wishart 10 years, 2 months ago

i agree. Big Dub should be up there he "gave (his) arm" for us, stayed 4 years, and was a stud the entire time he was here.

OKJAYHAWK5 10 years, 2 months ago

How can you say that he doesn't deserve this? He was amazing, and part of arguably the best team (talent wise) that KU has ever had.

OKJAYHAWK5 10 years, 2 months ago

Hinrich, Gooden, Collison, Boschee, Miles, Langford, Simien. Doesn't get much better than that on one team!

Hawklin 10 years, 2 months ago

Who cares about the watering down of whats in the rafters? We have a loser fan base that waters down the whole program and University.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 2 months ago

Man, what a great recruiting class that was! We needed some winners after those dud years with Lafrentz, Vaughn, Chenowith, and Gregory, among others, who could not play tough defense and make shots in the tourney.

I'd like to see Rush and Simeon up there as well, along with Chalmers (he is a given).

zissou 10 years, 2 months ago

There's already a banner that recognizes the members of the national championship teams: the national championship banners. No numbers are required — fans will always remember the players on those teams.

Lance Hobson 10 years, 2 months ago

Boschee was awesome, too. He often gets forgotten about but he was such a fun player to watch. He was absolutely fearless as a shooter and came in as a freshman and helped us get our swagger back.

100 10 years, 2 months ago

Truly "Special K" was one game from being put in the Rafters. If we wouldn't have blown it against Duke in the 86 final four, KU would've been taking on Louisville and never Nervous Pervis Ellison for the third time that season (we had already beaten them twice).

Manning was always a factor in those Louisville games when he was a young Sophmore, but it was "Special K" Ronnie Kellogg who shined. He could get off his 16 footer anytime he wanted off the glass. Pretty much unstoppable as nervous pervis was manning up manning, which left ronnie open on the wing after a swing pass or two, often times ron coming from under the goal off a larry brown designed pick.

So it seems ifwe would've beaten Duke (which we all know the story on that lame loss), KU would've beaten Louisville for the 3rd time that year for the national championship.

And the MOP of the 86 F4 would've been -- "Special K"

And his jersey would be hanging already in the rafters.

Man I hate Duke.

Thankfully the last time we played them Hinrich and crew took care of em. I believe one Duke player even had his chest stomped on by Collison.

All payback to Coach K for taking away "Special K's" jersey from Naismith's Phoggy rafters

jayhawk15 10 years, 2 months ago

The Jerseys are not getting watered down, I agree people saying its a great recruiting tool. A recruit sees former KU great players that are in the NBA and dream that they could be up there along side all those others. I don't think every KU player that played significant minutes should be up there, but come on people there's a distinction between the all-american level and the good players at KU. Bosche, Miles, Langford, were all good players at KU but not great. Hinrich was amazing captain of the team that went to two straight finial fours. He ranks in the top 10 all time in KU history in every statistical catergory for a guard. 9th in scoring!!!!!! Nationally he got slightly overlooked bc of Collison and Gooden got the awards! Still he lottery pick, and had a decent NBA career, he's should be a lock to make it there. We should defintly not got back to the way we used to have it when I was like 5 names up there. If that was still the case great players like Pierce, Jo Jo white wouldn't be up there and that would be a crime since there are probably the 2 best NBA players since wilt that have come from KU. I really don't think Arthur deserves to be there or Rush really either. Wayne Simien will be up there for sure though!

MIZ_NIT 10 years, 2 months ago

Why is Boschee getting no love as a pure shooter. I'll take him in a 3-pt contest any day against Thomas, Kellogg, and especially Rush!

Chris Shaw 10 years, 2 months ago

mbmerriman:"dont remember arthur going for 22 and 30 ever on big monday but I do remember him going for 20 and 10 in the biggest game of his life. I dont ever remember Nick Collison showing when it really mattered, all i remember is 3-11 from the free throw line. Dont get me wrong Nick belongs up there but lets not throw Arthur under the bus like i always see on here. What is it about Arthur that people dont like?"

Arthur did a great job getting his points and rebounds, but as one other poster stated it's all about the "Perception". One thing I can not get out of my head is with 15 seconds to go in the Championship, Memphis misses another free-throw and Arthur's guy goes clear across the lane and gets the offensive rebound. For some reason that type of stuff happened a lot with Arthur. Just my perspective.

OKJAYHAWK5 10 years, 2 months ago

kushaw- Those things happened to Arthur because he took plays off, simple as that. He was extremely lazy at times and made Jayhawk fans pull their hair out. It was obvious he could dominate any game at any moment, but it just didn't happen very often. My personal opinion is that his NBA career will not last very long.

Larry Smith 10 years, 2 months ago

kushaw-

I have to disagree about that play. Yes, it was Darrell's man that got the rebound, but he got the rebound all the way on the other side of the lane. Maybe, D-Jack should have stepped up and rebounded strong on that play, since the ball did come his way off the missed shot. This is by no means a slam or slight to D-Jack, but this is a team sport and that side of the lane may have been his responsibility. If the ball comes off on Darrell's side of the lane, he gets that rebound because he pushed his man to the middle.

Max Ledom 10 years, 2 months ago

hold on...i love Arthur....but HE IS GETTING HIS JERSEY HUNG???? WHAT?! wow that is lame

missKU 10 years, 2 months ago

Hawksboy88- Arthur is not getting his jersey hung. Everyone is just talking. We haven't heard one way or another. My guess is that he won't.

eddiesuttonschoolofdriving 10 years, 2 months ago

since nobody else has, i'll gave a shoutout to downtown terry brown as a candidate for sweetest three-baller

DalTXJayhawk 10 years, 2 months ago

I agree with not liking the the acronyms. I am not going to spend the time to research, but I think ksu has been doing that with snyder and the family stadium well before it popped up here. (Actually, I can tolerate AFH, but really don't like hcbs)

JJHawq 10 years, 2 months ago

Years don't matter. Durant would be hung anywhere in the country, Duke, UCLA, UK, UNC or KU. Same w/ Beasley. Same w/ Griffin. National POY - um yes that will do. Are you kidding me? Are some of the people arguing FOR Hinrich saying Durant doesn't deserve it? Unreal.

Chris Shaw 10 years, 2 months ago

jayhawk86: Have you seen that play with 15 seconds? You are not suppose to have a straight line to the basket ever on a free throw situation. If the guy stays on top of you then you force him "UP" towards the free throw line so he doesn't have a "B" line towards the ball or basket. When that ball was missed it completely went to the right side of the goal, which was completely opposite of Darrell. Jackson forced his man "UP" to the left like you're suppose to, but Darrell's block out was non-existent thus creating the defender a straight line clear run at the rebound. Poor, Poor, Poor!

CasperCorps 10 years, 2 months ago

I think the whole thing is watered down as well.. Why did Drew Gooden get his jersey retired? He went to the NBA?... Its like NFL and the Hall of Fame, they put people in every year for everything.. You should be an elite player.. Ranked first in categories not fifth.. National Champs should be recognized.. I will have fond memories of the entire team who just won it but should Chalmers have his jersey retired? Why not Sherron? He was the one who stole the pass then got the pass back and nailed the three, to set up Chalmers game winner.. Everyone contributed in that game.. Aldrich used Tyler Hansbourgh the game before, should we retire his as well?.. Who is next Ostertag? or did he already have his retired? Did we already do Rex Walters?

Carolyn Troupe 10 years, 2 months ago

I agree that Ron Kellogg was one of our greatest shooters, but was the poster really THE Ron Kellogg? I don't think Ron would begrudge a fellow Jayhawk getting his jersey hung the way that post appeared to. Well, maybe Ralph Dreiling. (Although I wouldn't mind him on just about any team we've had). jayhawkintexas, I like your idea of a wall of fame listing all of KU's players by year. KU basketball is not just the rafter hangers. If Cole Aldrich gets there, it will be partly because of Matt Kleinmann in practice.

chalmers2wright 10 years, 2 months ago

First off Chalmers will definitely get his because he fits the criteria. What they are saying is everyone who fits the criteria (barring some unknown circumstance) is going to get their jersey in the rafters, but they are leaving themselves some leeway so they can include people who belong but maybe didn't meet the criteria because of other reasons. ex. a balanced team doesn't show how good a player is at times because the numbers are what most people look at. The numbers generally determine player of the year and all-american honors so a star player with less of a supporting cast will be an all-american over a player who has 4 other studs starting with him. I don't mind them expanding who we can and cannot honor. If your like me Nick and Kirk were some of the first Jayhawks you got to watch from Freshman to Senior year. Kirk was incredible on and off the court as a representative of the entire Jayhawk nation. I'm fine with put his jersey in the rafters. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing DJ up there in some fashion (not saying that is going to happen but if anyone exemplifies what it means to be a Jayhawk its D-Block.)

chalmers2wright 10 years, 2 months ago

P.S. say what you want about Nick and bad free throw shooting but he absolutely put us on his back against Duke earlier in the tourney and there were a lot of other missed free throws too. Its a team game...hard to hold one player accountable for a loss.

chalmers2wright 10 years, 2 months ago

Oh and Nick finished the game with 19pts and 21 rebounds not too shabby for someone who never showed it "when it mattered."

Brian Powell 10 years, 2 months ago

off topic. My favorite usernames on this list:

eddiesuttonschoolofdriving dynomitehawk (after that one guy that played for us? What was his name??) BackFat

100 10 years, 2 months ago

The great thing about that 86 team was the KU coaches.

  1. Larry Brown (eventually became an NCAA & NBA champ, Olympic USA head coach, bronze)

  2. Bob Hill (eventually became an NBA coach)

  3. Greg Popovich (2 or 3 time NBA champ head coach). On sabatical with KU basketball in 86, so not even listed as a "coach".

  4. Ed Manning (ex ABA champion as player)

  5. RC Buford (became an NBA dynamite general manager, Spurs)

  6. JoJo White (ex NBA MVP NBA finals, twice, NBA champ, twice)

  7. Bill Pope (our manager, the funny looking kid with glasses). He is now an up and coming assistant coach with the Detroit Pistons.

Lastly....

  1. Bill Self (grad assistant at the time, now an NCAA champ head coach)

actorman 10 years, 2 months ago

"Well, maybe Ralph Dreiling."

Ralph Dreiling??? Ralph??? Are you serious???

Lance Hobson 10 years, 2 months ago

Reality check: KU would have lost to Louisville in the '86 championship game. We had beaten them twice that year but the second game was at AFH and we barely won. Louisville was young and had improved tremendously by the end of the tourney. Just like we beat OU the third try in '88, same situation in '86.

TheShot122293 10 years, 2 months ago

Maybe the answer is a subtle one. There can be a long row of retired jerseys that don't meet the official criteria, with a shorter row of the super-elite hanging above it. We're going to need more room anyway, with Bill Self's recruiting prowess. The additional championship banners alone are going to chew up some prime real estate.

No matter what, congratulations Kirk!

eddiesuttonschoolofdriving, I'm with you. Downtown Terry Brown gets my vote for the best KU sharpshooter, though Kellogg and Billy Thomas are both worthy of the best-ever honor. Or, for a single game performance, Sherron Collins winning the shootout with the entire OU backcourt.

Larry Smith 10 years, 2 months ago

kushaw-

Yes I saw the play and remember it quite well. I guess you and I have different perspectives. Yes, Darrell could have continued to block out his man. But once Darnell had established his position, he needed to step forward and secure the rebound. If the only thing everyone did was block out, who gets the rebound? At some point when you have position established, you have to be aggressive to the ball. It is a team game.

At the end of the day, it all worked out. Who knows...If we get that rebound, do we run the right play, or do we rush it up court and get a rushed shot, or a turnover? Maybe the whole sequence happened for a reason.

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