Monday, March 11, 2013


Opinion: Perry Ellis lone highlight for KU at Baylor

Perry Ellis (34) splits defenders for a layup in KU's 81-58 loss to the Baylor Bears Saturday in Waco.

Perry Ellis (34) splits defenders for a layup in KU's 81-58 loss to the Baylor Bears Saturday in Waco.


Forage through wreckage long enough and you’re bound to stumble upon a hidden treasure, which brings us to Saturday’s 23-point loss to Baylor in the Ferrell Center.

Not everything from the game needs to be filed in the mind’s trash can. Before it disintegrated into a rout, Kansas University’s leading scorer, freshman Ben McLemore, had some serious help from a quietly improving teammate.

Baylor big men Isiah Austin and Cory Jefferson combined for seven of the team’s eight blocked shots, and the figure might have reached double figures if not for the fancy footwork of KU freshman Perry Ellis.

In a second-half span that took just 2:44 off the clock, Ellis totaled six points, a rebound, an assist and a steal, helping KU turn a 17-point deficit into a six-point game. He played 22 minutes and produced 12 points, three rebounds and his first assist in 12 games. He looked more like a player who belonged in a big game than a freshman overwhelmed by the size of the bodies in the paint.

Ellis has had trouble finishing near the rim, but against the Bears he used patient, purposeful footwork to make five of seven field-goal attempts.

“I thought he was the best player for us today,” 10th-year Kansas coach Bill Self said afterward. “If anybody had a great game, it was Perry. He’s aggressive. He attacked them, and the guys he was scoring on or over or around were legitimate shot-blockers that were much bigger. I thought he did a really good job being aggressive.”

He has developed into a key reserve. In the past five games, Ellis has averaged 14.4 minutes, 8.0 points and 4.4 rebounds and has shot .522 from the field. In the first 26 games, his averages were 13.1 minutes, 4.3 points and 3.4 rebounds and he shot .392 from the field.

I’ve always thought free-throw shooting and putting are similar in that they both reflect an athlete’s touch and open a window into the state of his mind. Settled minds result in made putts and free throws. Uncomfortable minds lacking confidence lead to puzzling slumps. In his first 26 games, Ellis was a .655 free-throw shooter, a .941 shooter (16-for-17) in the past five.

Ellis’ quick feet and ability to handle the ball led to his hitting two huge buckets that pulled Kansas within 61-55. On the first, he caught the ball at the foul line, blew by his man, 6-foot-8, 260-pound Rico Gathers, and scored.

Later, Ellis caught the ball on the right baseline and faced up against Austin (7-1, 220). Ellis took one hard dribble left in the lane, stopped, planted his pivot foot, spun around to the right and took a short jab, then a longer one. Austin’s and Gathers’ feet became entangled, they both fell to the ground, and Ellis scored, a move that made the players on the KU bench go wild, the game’s final cause for celebration for the visitors.


ahpersecoachingexperience 9 years, 3 months ago

Not sure if EJ or Perry has been the bigger letdown this year.

jhox 9 years, 3 months ago

Patience. Perry will be all conference in a couple of years and eventually an NBA player. For his size he has explosive quickness. He gets a little ahead of himself sometimes. It's taking him awhile to develop the kind of " motor" Self demands of his players, but he's figuring it out. We'll see gradual but big improvement from him the next couple of years.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 3 months ago

Losing Zach Peters was the biggest let down.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 3 months ago

Sounds real unlikely that Zach will be back to play BB at KU at any point in the future.

Suzi Marshall 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry's unpreparedness for Div. 1 reflects on the low quality of Wichita/Kansas basketball and completely deflates any high expectations toward Frankamp. I do think Ellis has skills will become a player and have a shot at the NBA.

Steve Reigle 9 years, 3 months ago

Nah. There's nothing different about Wichita quality from any other place. Ellis' situation is very typical of a high school star who gets to college and suddenly is facing a whole bunch of players as good or better than him. It takes time to develop and adjust. Some make it, some don't. Ellis is showing that he's coming along. Maybe not as quickly as some but faster than others. He's going to be a star for us. Look back at the many others who have gone this same route. Not just at KU but everywhere.

Philip Atkinson 9 years, 3 months ago

I guess we should forget about Frankamp's leadership and stats in the FIBA U17 world championship and the FIBA Americas U16 championship. After all he was just the team's point leader with 14.1 ppg in that team's (U17) 8-0 run to a gold medal. All the other players in those tournaments must come from the Wichita area also. Otherwise, he wouldn't have played so well.

Dirk Medema 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry's preparedness is exactly in line with recruiting ratings. The Top 10 recruits will likely have an immediate impact. The next 20-ish will have an impact in a couple years. The next 70 will likely be contributors ...

KUFan90 9 years, 3 months ago

Much as I love Elijah, I don't think he turned down the NBA last season to come back for his senior year.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 3 months ago

I find no letdown anywhere this year. I am pleased with our championship season, and though you are certainly a true Jayhawk, you are begging the question. 26-5 at season's end? I'll take that every year.

Joe Baker 9 years, 3 months ago

Pretty dang good year for a team that loses two studs in TRob and a very athletic TT. KU wasn't really expected to do this at all. Self just keeps proving the critics wrong. The man can coach some players

Phognatic 9 years, 3 months ago

Ellis is proving to be an intriguing kid. His improving numbers quoted in the article may speak to some sly developement which I have not fully embraced due to the following: 1. In retrospect, too much hype being an in state kid. 2. Still plays below the rim 3. Soft...if I have to see one more ball get poked out of his hand after a rebound I'm going to scream...I mean...I'll continue screaming. 4. Always looks like he's down on himself too much. Stop being so cerebral, keep your head up and have fun.

I think Ellis will be a key component to our success going forward (this and years to come) and I only wish he could have put it together more this year. His ability to knock down the 15' jumper (something KY cannot reliably do) would have stretched the opponent's interior defense. At his current trajectory, it looks like he'll be here through his junior year and I for one am happy to have him. RCJHGKU

kellerman411 9 years, 3 months ago

You guys talking about even the remote chance that Perry could leave early for the NBA must be completely out of your mind. He'll be here through his junior year at his current trajectory? Dude, he will play 4 years and will be lucky as all get out to even sniff the NBA.

I mean, what position is he gonna play? 4? Good joke. His only hope would be at the 3 and he's not gonna develop any of that here at KU playing 4. Perry Ellis will have a wonderful career here at KU and be loved by thousands but in my opinion will not ever sign an NBA contract. Perhaps overseas or something.

Ron Franklin 9 years, 3 months ago

Somebody will give him a chance in the NBA. I'm not sure how much you' have seen him play in person, but his footwork is the best I've seen in a really long time. I think he will be equal to or better the player Simien is/was and get at least one contract in the league. What's holding him back from looking elite right now is his lack of explosveness. That will imporove over the next few years.

kellerman411 9 years, 3 months ago

Right now, he is a 6'7 Power Forward who plays below the rim... I think he is a 3 and hope we move him there for our sake and his.

jhox 9 years, 3 months ago

He has the necessary explosiveness, he just hasn't developed that all out motor yet. He will play in the league someday. He'll be at KU two or 3 more years. This will take some time, but by the time Self gets through with him, he'll get his NBA shot. You guys all act like he' can't play the 4. Have you paid attention to his ability to rebound? He will be a power player by the time he's done at KU.

nuleafjhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

I hope you file this comment away and take a look at it exactly 3 years from now.

Kevin Huffman 9 years, 3 months ago

Eh.....don't see why he couldn't be that same 'tweener 3/4 - 2nd man off the bench type like the Morrises are. Those are always useful to have a big man who can step out and make a jumper but as a big have quickenss to take it to the rim.

sleepy33 9 years, 3 months ago

I think he's here 4 years, but because he wants a degree instead of a lack of league talent. That is, unless he manages to graduate early. Smart kid.

andymax 9 years, 3 months ago

Kellerman is right. Ellis looks smaller than his listed height, lacks the shooting range of the Morris twins, and recorded his first assist in 12 games against Baylor. It's the last one that worries me the most. A high-low post set isn't very effective if one of the members can't spot an assist to save his life. I don't doubt that he will improve significantly, but his ceiling is below NBA caliber. Self knows this - there's a good reason why we're recruiting Randle.

Keith Kienzle 9 years, 3 months ago

How do we know he lacks the range of the Morris'? From what I've seen, Perry's touch is superb. I would not be surprised to see his range extend healthily out to 3pt next year.

VailHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

the Morri airballed 15 fters from the baseline repeatedly their freshman year

dahawk40 9 years, 3 months ago

If you recall, Marcus and Markieff did not have stellar freshman years either. Marcus also started out at the 4 and was later moved to the 3 as his ballhandling and outside shot improved. I see no reason why the same can't happen for Perry. He has already demonstrated excellent footwork and the ability to knock down the mid-range. An off-season with Hudy and extra time to improve his ballhandling/jumper will work wonders.

Jeff Kilgore 9 years, 3 months ago

One thing is sure. The NBA is growing with players of Perry's size who shoot the three. In fact, that's no big deal. Players who want to play in the league need to focus on that three ball. Yeah, you have to defend, rebound, and run, but that three-point shot has transformed basketball.

texashawk10 9 years, 3 months ago

kellerman, do you not remember what Marcus Morris looked like as a freshmen? This season for Ellis has been a near mirror image to the freshmen season of Marcus. Both were in the same neighborhood ranking wise, Marcus was also a below the rim player as a freshmen who would've come off the bench if there was a second returning front court player that year.

Steve Zimmerman 9 years, 3 months ago

I wonder if we ever see plays where we don't depend on freeing up BMac all the time. Ellis is an excellent jumper. He can shoot from inside, outside. He doesn't really have to post to score. Yes, he's got pretty post moves, but when he's left open, why not just hit a jumper.

Withey, KY set up meaningless screen which end up nothing most of the time. They're left unguarded just inside the perimeter. I wonder if Withey ever given a green light to just shoot the ball when he's all open like that.

I wonder what our offense would look like if those guys are let free to shoot those opens. I mean, they can shoot - or in case of KY, he can start practicing those jumpers. Hit it 1000 times in every practice, just like what Kobe said. And I believe him.

Joseph Bullock 9 years, 3 months ago

Withey has the green light to shoot the open shot. Kevin Young is not a good shooter, and 2000 shots a day won't help him. His form is terrible, and it is too late in his career to change it now.

Mick Allen 9 years, 3 months ago

Ellis an excellent jumper? What game have you been watching? He plays below the rim and is not the most athletic. He has a nice touch and has excellent footwork and post moves. He is very shot block conscious and this has affected his ability to finish. In time I think he can be Wayne Simeon, who also played below the rim,but had a fine touch.

Steve Zimmerman 9 years, 3 months ago

Go suck your thumb, baby. I've been watching his game since he was in high school.

stm62 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry has had difficulty finishing all season long. His ability to hit buckets against Baylor is a very encouraging sign.

Robert Brock 9 years, 3 months ago

Let's not get too worked up: he was successful against Baylor - not a crowning achievement.

yellowjeep 9 years, 3 months ago

Against two 7' guys who are very good shot blockers.

nostradavid 9 years, 3 months ago

It was great fun to see Perry attack as soon as he got on the floor.

That was some of the best footwork I've seen in AFH since ...

Homecoming 1972

Homecoming 1972 by nostradavid

nostradavid 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry found his confidence Saturday. He will be hard to stop now.

I wish she was my accountant. She lives at a lake house in Zurich, and just got her Swiss citizenship. She did play basketball in high school. All hail The Acid Queen !

Homecoming in Allen Field House 1972

  • it was The Ike and Tina Turner Review !

The dancing by Tina and the Ikettes starts halfway thru:

Tina Turner & Ike Live Paris 1972

Ike & Tina Turner - She came in through the bathroom window - Get back - Proud Mary, 1972

and she'd still got it - this one is red hot: Tina Turner- I Heard It Through The Grapevine live

oldest Vogue covergirl ever

oldest Vogue covergirl ever by nostradavid

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

"Baylor Forensics: Everything Was Sun Tzu, Match-Ups, Scouts, Unfair Advantage and Hot Shooting"

• Drew apparently reread his Sun Tzu. He decided to beat KU by attacking where KU was weak (the 1 with EJ and Dir and the 4 with KY and Perry) and defending where KU was strong (2, 3 and 5). Worked like it has for ages. Of course, Sun's translators over simplified. What he meant was attack where you have greatest superiority and defend where you have least. This leads logically to the matchups.

• BU's biggest matchup advantage at the 1 was easy. BU was way quicker than EJ and Dir. The matchup advantage at the 4 was BU height and weight vs. KY and Perry.

• The scout was how to exploit the MUAs at 1and 4. The scout at the 1 was KU was a step slow compared to Jackson, so make them guard angles off ball screens and blow by. They did. It worked. The scout at The 4 was run them toward Austin moving them, then drive them into Austin, then slide away. They did. It worked. On defense, use height and weight to deny the rim and make KUs weighted, lighter 4 shoot farther than five feet out.

• Other teams have tried to exploit these persistent vulnerabilities at 1 and 4 of KU, but only four before BU had succeeded, and none blew KU out, as BU did. Each had an edge at 1 and a strong, active 4. KU also beat a few teams in close games with the same strengths. Why did BU blow KU out? BU used an unfair advantage: the moving screen. All teams do it some, but Drew gambled on moving screening everytime. It worked. Moving ball screens magnified Jackson's MUA. Moving screens marginalized KY's disruptive defense. And moving screens broke down KU's help defense. KU without its vaunted pressure defense means a blowout, if the opponent shoots well.

• BU shot the lights out.

• Losing to the unfair advantage of BU's full time permanent moving screen offense ideas akin to losing to UCLA's full time Howland Hack'n'Slap defense in the Madness. The better team lost in both cases to an unfair advantage that took KU out of its game on one end of the floor and magnified some MUAs.

• The only solution to unfair advantage is to copy it.

Michael Luby 9 years, 3 months ago

Wait a sec, isnt a moving screen against the rules?

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

Yup.And Drew showed it now legal nonstop.

NJHAWK 9 years, 3 months ago

Why were no adjustments made at the half or chewing of officials through out the game? Self is very smart. He wants six teams form the Big 12 in the tournament. He made that clear before and after the game.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago


YUP, it certainly seems possible. Only Cin knows things like this for sure. But it doesn't really matter now, one way or the other. Self understands the power of NEXT.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

Dear Scott Drew,

Please quit trolling our website.

Thank Self for extending some professional curtesy to you to help you get in the Big Dance, since you and Homer couldn't do it on your own.

But I suspect, Bill Self and his Jayhawks will kick your Waco Butts into the Brazos and troll with you in the Bosques, before KU goes deep into the Madness and you guys are one and out.

Again, Scott, if you are going to post here, instead of preparing for the next game, use your own name.

Best regards from someone that knows a chump coach when he reads one,


Redlandsjhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Jaybate never runs under a screen, he blows right through them! Good on ya JB.

VailHawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Doesn't Janet Reno have a winter home in Waco?

kellerman411 9 years, 3 months ago

I don't usually pick on these articles but my lord. Perry was the lone positive takeaway? That's laughable. How about Mclemore exploding for some 23 points, something he hasn't done on the road in a loooong time. He is becoming more aggressive and confident. I loved that play where he jumped to catch a pass and then loaded up in the air so that he could bounce right back up and stroke a three in his man's face. That is the type of shots he'll need to knock down in the league.

Perry did look better to but he's playing out of position as far as I'm concerned. He's a 3, he plays to small to be a PF.

741hawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Agree. Out of position. Lucas taking a red shirt, but more importantly Zac Peters' concussions, really hurt Bill's ability to play Perry at 3.

Alex Thiessen 9 years, 3 months ago

He will move to the 3 just like Marcus did after his freshman year.

andymax 9 years, 3 months ago

The only thing Ellis has in common with Marcus is similar size. While Morris could make a trey, had a decent handle, and was a gifted passer, Ellis has none of those skills, and likely won't ever. He's more like Richard Scott. Which is great - I loved Richard. But he's no 3 man.

texashawk10 9 years, 3 months ago

You and quite a few others have a very different memory of Marcus Morris. Perry Ellis this year is a clone of what Marcus Morris looked like as a freshman. Go look at some of those games from 2008-09 and tell me I'm wrong.

Alex Thiessen 9 years, 3 months ago

And how about Travis? Played the 4 his freshman and sophomore years before moving to the 3 and look at him now.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

"I give you tools to build a house and you roll in mud and say you built a hut."

--King jaybate Basketball Bible 2.0

Seriously, we have beaten or hung with other teams that had hot games, so your oversimplification doesn't hold. KU was blown out for the only time this season. A fitting explanation and fix are needed to get better.

"I don't mind your ignorance. I mind the pride you takke in it."

--great grandpa jaybate

Dirk Medema 9 years, 3 months ago

Hw much of the lights out shooting was a function of Perry being on the floor? Not meaning to slam, just asking the question. It is so easy to analyze O-Efficiencies, but so much harder for D-Effectiveness (see Releford, Travis).

For all of Young's initial D shortcomings, it seems that since late last year that he has figured out Self-Defense. I seem to recall hearing similar comments about Perry to start the year, but wasn't sure that his D had necessarily improved. Anecdotal evidence from Saturday would seem to imply no, but thought someone with more BB knowledge might have better observations/info.


Lash 9 years, 3 months ago

Due to my age, I would like to extend my congratulations to all KSU fans and players on there next regular season basketball championship. Of course, there are always conditions and those being that they at a minimum, co-win another basketball championship in 35 years! With that said 2048 can hardly wait!!!

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

Game was not so much about the excellent shooting of Jefferson and Jackson as it was about not closing out each half. It was a two point game (28-30) with 2:23 remaining in the first half. Unfortunately we failed to score the rest of the half.

2nd half, second verse, same as the first. At the 6:27 mark Perry Ellis scores a layup, Baylor calls time out and we score 3 points the rest of the game. That is the reason we lost, by not closing out halves and not closing out games.

5 losses this year.

MSU. Game in hand with less than 5 minutes remaining and we failed to close it out.

OSU: Game in hand with less than 5 minutes remaining and we failed to close it out.

TCU: No fire.

OU: Going through the motions.

BU: Big XII Title Clinched: Close game, failed to close out each half. Game was not a blowout (only in the final score).

When this team gives the oposition it's best shot, they are hard to beat. Hopefully, we will play with fire the rest of the season, because it is win or go home!

AirCapJay 9 years, 3 months ago

And the only team on your list that was ranked when we played them is MSU. Self has got to build a fire under the guys when they play "perceived" poor teams. The guys play down to their competition too often. It has been happening for years, i.e. the early outs in the NCAA tourney.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

Sure, AirFopJay, early outs. Play down to competition. LOL!!!!

84% W&L


National finals twice.

You are making an joke of yourself with this kind of hand wringing.

Man up to your fears, or else stop trolling.

Which'll it be?

ccarp 9 years, 3 months ago

Dude, Perry juking 2 post players out of their jocks was awesome! Just sayn'....

mejayhawk 9 years, 3 months ago

Yes! Both Baylor players fell down and Perry found himself wide open. All 400 Baylor fans in the building were screaming bloody murder. Loved that.

NJHAWK 9 years, 3 months ago

Go check, coach Self's pre and post game comments. He wants 6 teams from the Big 12 in the tournament. He is a very smart coach. He purposely did not make any adjustments at the half or did not chew the officials for illegal screens through out the game. KU gave the game away. It did not matter to KU as far as the league championship or seeding for the tourney is concerned. You should be thankful to coach Self for giving you a chance to qualify for the NCAA tourney.

Bville Hawk 9 years, 3 months ago

NJ, either wishful thinking on your part or you are incredibly naive. Coach Self did not purposely lose this game so that Baylor could get into the NCAA field.

NJHAWK 9 years, 3 months ago

I did not say he wanted to purposely lose the game but he did not make any adjustments to win the game (like other games).

kellerman411 9 years, 3 months ago

NJ, do you really believe this? I was thinking that from the tip of the game. Bill was not pressuring the refs like he usually does on the road. He let Baylor runs go way longer than usual.

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry Ellis has looked better as a Freshman than the Markieff and Marcus Morris, better than Thomas Robinson and Jeff Withey. Of course he came in with high expectations. I think he is coming into his own. He appears to be someone that could earn a degree in 3 years. He may be gone after his Junior Year, however he could stay for four years, it s his decision. He will definitely be drafted in the first round of the NBA Draft. He needs another year in the weight room. His foot work is outstanding, and he can bury the 15 footer. He has San Antonio Spur written all over him. I can't wait to see what he does when he gets 25-30 minutes a game?

NJHAWK 9 years, 3 months ago

Did you check Marcus's stats or game films before you made that comment?

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

I made the comment "Perry Ellis has looked better as a Freshman than Markieff and Marcus Morris, better than Thomas Robinson, and Jeff Withey. I watch and I study KU Basketball. Perry Ellis, early in the season, demonstrated excellent foot work, but could not finish at the rim. He appears to have worked out that issue. As a Freshman, Marcus Morris did not have upper body strength and did not have very good footwork. It was painfully obvious when Marcus and Markieff got out-muscled twice by MSU. Thomas Robinson was strong, but fouled too much his first two years, to earn any real time on the court.

Anyway, the Morris Twins developed into absolute studs, which brings me to the point of my original post. Perry Ellis is coming along, many Freshman at KU struggle in the beginning with one thing or another.

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

Comet, your comparison is apt, though I differ a tad bit. Early on they both struggled. The difference between Marcus and Perry is Marcus figured out how to be a very solid garbage man 4 from January on. He started on a down the middle team. He guarded his position much better the second half of the season; that's really why Marcus started. He could guard any 4 and rebound his position and that left Cole free to roam. For some reason that is hard for me to fathom, Perry, who, as you say, looks much more advanced in many fundamentals, just cannot seem to guard the 4 very solidly AND rebound. He can do one, or the other. Marcus had one other advantage over Perry. Marcus didn't have have an amazing athlete like Kevin Young ahead of him. There was no one else on Marcus team that could consistently usually get 12 and 8 and explode out of his position to impact on defense the way Kevin Young can.

Once it became clear that Perry lacked certain things as a freshman that a starter needs, I think Perry has done a great job of incrementally developing himself into being able to give the team exactly what it needs out of the back up 4 down the stretch.

Notice that Perry almost never makes a TO now; this is money in the bank for the team. And Perry still has an uncanny ability to score against taller slower footed guys than him.

Perry will be very good.

Maybe better than Marcus.

But Marcus was quite a guy his last two seasons. Quite a guy.

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

Thanks. I see your point as well. Marcus played good ball as Freshman. Getting manhandled by MSU was probably the best thing for Marcus and Markieff, they both came back strong. It just takes time in the system. I think Perry is a winner, and it is winning time. If teams double Perry, that should get some much needed open looks for someone.

texashawk10 9 years, 3 months ago

I don't think Perry is better than Marcus was as a freshman, I think he is a clone of Marcus as a freshman. Marcus played 18 minutes, averaged 7 points and 5 rebounds as a freshman. Perry has played 13 minutes, averaged 5 points and 4 rebounds as a freshman. Over 40 minutes, that translates to 15.5 points and 11 rebounds for Marcus and 15.4 points and 12 rebounds for Perry. Those are nearly identical numbers for players with near identical bodies and skill sets as freshmen.

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

I can agree with you on that. I like Perry's foot work better at this point. I think Marcus was great for KU and hopefully Perry will be great in the years to come.

vd 9 years, 3 months ago

KY was "setting" moving screens all night. Non calls were going both ways.

KanKu 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry was good, and will be good in the future at KU. I live in 'ta town and hope the best for Perry and Frankamp. However, as someone pointed out above, I absolutely DESPISE IT when he gets the ball poked out of his hands or when he mis-handles a pass/rebound. I've been calling him Puss-hands Perry all year. He will strengthen up those hands/arms after this season. Also his vertical will improve just like The Twins' did after their first year. RCJH

jaybate 9 years, 3 months ago

Perry is good, but oh so short.

He can be Cobbins at the 4, or even Self's favorite stretch 4, but defense will be real chore for him against true 4s.

At the 3, he could be gold.

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

It is amazing, but by year 3 in Coach Self's system, everyone seems to show dramatic improvement. The motto appears to be "Just Stick with the Program".

Bill Anthony 9 years, 3 months ago

Two and three years ago I was screaming at the television repeatedly because Jeff Withey couldn't handle a pass, couldn't keep hold of the ball when he did get, was a hesitant shooter when he did get the ball down low, and when he did shoot did not finish strong. I thought he was a bust and would likely remain so. Thankfully I was wrong. Ellis started this year with many of the same problems and is just recently starting to overcome them. At this point in his college career he is ahead of where Jeff was at the same point in his (IMO). As the annoying Dick Vital says, "the best thing about freshmen is that they become sophomores." Perry won't grow to 7' nor set a record for blocks, but he has the potential, and a chance, to become a great player for Kansas. The gifted posters who can accurately tell us less gifted ones what the future holds are free to enlighten us to impending doom or grandeur, but I would rather you didn't for I am happy rooting for our team with my own high expectations and blissful ignorance of what will actually happen next. That's what makes it so fun watching. So, go Perry and go Hawks. I hope that at the very least you win your last game.

KuMulvy13 9 years, 3 months ago

Did anyone else notice that on the Bill Self Show Sunday night that the didn't show the highlights or tape of the Baylor Game? The went through Senior night and then went to break saying they would be back with the Baylor highlights and when they came back they showed the West Virginia highlights from last weeks show. I guess Bill couldn't bring himself to watch it again!

Rock Chalk 9 years, 3 months ago

I noticed! Bob Davis said, "Senior Jeff Withey will be coming up and we'll talk to him," and next thing you know, Elijah again. Very weird. I was waiting to hear Self's take on the Baylor debacle, but I agree, they couldn't make themselves (or us) watch it again.

Kevin Jenkins 9 years, 3 months ago

Wow, a guy has a good game and everyone is picking out the negatives. How many minutes per game does he play? Who knows what he will be later. Remember small forward Pierce was like? The writer was just saying he was one thing good about the night. Sure Mac had a good points night. I say he did okay for the minutes he put in. If the other recruits come next year, Coach might move him. Let's see, but this year he has to keep playing hard and with confidence. We need somebody after the seniors let us down....

RockersChalk 9 years, 3 months ago

Spot on article Keegan, nicely done. I think Perry is key for our tourney run, assuming we get standard play out of the seniors (which we didn't on Saturday). Sky's the limit if he keeps it up.

monkeehawkSL8 9 years, 3 months ago

I have not had the opportunity to watch all the Hawks games this season. What I have seen in Perry is a young man that suffers from some sort of confidence issue. While watching Perry has been challenging at times, there is an extremely talented baller inside there. As much as I have been frustrated with a lot of his play, Perry has come down with some rebounds in situations where he surrounded by players much taller. All those shots that were not falling, are now. He has an outside game. What I find truly refreshing about Perry is he is a student athlete. I don't know how good/great he is going to be on the basketball court. I believe and hope he'll end up with NC's, all american etc. What I do know is that when he leaves school he will not have to rely on his basketball ability to earn a living. I would like to see Perry start to have fun, he does appear to have some weight on his shoulders. Most of the really talented and successful people in the world have had to work hard, gone through trials, struggles and grown gradually. Perry is doing fine. RCJH

KansasComet 9 years, 3 months ago

If he can get 25-30 minutes in a game, you may very well see it.

JayHawkFanToo 9 years, 3 months ago

I continue to be amazed by posters that write that KU plays down to the level of the competition. I am sure these posters have not taken a look at our current players.

KU as a team has always played greater than the sum of the individual players. KU has one McD All-American, Perry Ellis, the highest ranked player is McLemore who was #17, after that is Johnson who was ranked as high as 24 and came 4 years ago; all the other players were ranked lower. It is not like Kentucky, Duke or UNC with several top 10 players; Kentucky alone has 5, 5-star players coming in next season while KU has 0 (so far).

Considering what HC Self has had to work, he has dramatically improved the players and KU has absolutely overachieved. So they lost to Baylor...Big Deal!!! Let's see who will go further in the tournament.

texashawk10 9 years, 3 months ago

Just something for everyone to consider that think Perry Ellis has struggled so mightily this season while Marcus Morris was so great as a freshman. Marcus Morris played 5 more minutes a game than Perry Ellis has out of necessity because that KU team was very thin in the front court (Mario Little was the second big off the bench when he got healthy). Project out the stats for both players over 40 minutes as freshmen and you come up with 15.5 points and 11.1 rebounds for Marcus Morris and 15.4 and 12.3 rebounds for Perry Ellis. Those two are mirror images of one another and Perry Ellis will be just fine and will turn into an All-American candidate by his junior year. And for those of you who think Perry Ellis not dunking this year means he's a below the rim player, you could also count on one hand the number of times Marcus Morris dunked as a freshmen as well.

Hoosierhawkfan 9 years, 3 months ago

In Perry Ellis, I see a young man who is often hesitant because he doesn't want to make a mistake. Many times lack of sucess is due to fear of failing. Perry will be just fine and coach Self won't let him fail. He's gonna be a baller!!!

Commenting has been disabled for this item.