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Monday, April 25, 2011

Gary Bedore’s KU basketball recruiting notebook

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• Jamari Traylor, a 6-7 power forward from IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla., reportedly did not commit to KU on his weekend visit. Traylor, who visited Oklahoma State two weeks ago, has said he may visit Texas Tech. He also has visited Indiana and has had a list that includes St. John’s, Memphis, Tennessee and Mississippi State.

• Aaric Murray, a 6-10 sophomore from La Salle University, did not make a recruiting trip to KU over the weekend as originally planned. It is believed a visit likely will not be rescheduled. He has listed KU, West Virginia Oklahoma State, St. John’s, UConn, Rutgers, Marquette, Florida and DePaul in the past. He said on Twitter Sunday he will announce his transfer choice on May 7.

• KU signee Braeden Anderson, a 6-8 forward from Okotoks, Alberta, Canada, scored eight points off 4-of-6 shooting and grabbed four rebounds while playing 15 minutes in last weekend’s Derby Classic all-star game in Louisville. His Gold team beat the White squad, 126-122.

Comments

Jayhawklegacy 11 years, 5 months ago

I would have to say Murray is more than likely a no go. Which is ok with me because i think we could get a better big next year. Traylor might be looking at all his options before he makes that commitment. I just read an article on Lacey on UK's sight that was really sickening!!! Talking about Lacey is theirs if Coach Cal wants him but Cal may not want him because they are so stacked already. They even said Cal is honest with his players and will give a Walk on playing time if he is better lol whatever keep dreaming. I like Braeden's stat line in this game. I have a feeling this kid is going to be a great, once he gets under Danny's instruction. As for the recruits that will come or not, our team will compete with the best year in and year out!!!

Jayhawklegacy 11 years, 5 months ago

Robinson starting at the 5 breakout season. Withey and Anderson as a back up? We still need a true 4 Releford can play it but rather have him as a 3. We really need daniels more than ever but looks probably Duke bound. My concern next season is foul trouble. Withey needs a breakout off season and Anderson is just a freshmen. Anderson is going to get some major minutes which help this kid tremendously!!!! Like i said previously good thing we have great guards, because Robinson will be in foul trouble in games and i'm sure there will be injuries like every season. I will keep the faith in my hawks though because if i didn't well than that would make me a k-state fan!!!!

Scott Smetana 11 years, 5 months ago

Of course the best is to come. It couldn't get any worse from last year. I hope you're right.

LAJayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Agree. And Withey will be able to run the floor better than Cole could. As long as the kid is willing to put in the work, I think he will make significant strides.

LAJayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

TRob is a true 4. We need a center -- or at least a versatile "big" -- to compliment TRob and back him and Withey up along with Anderson.

Don't believe that is probably on the way, however. I would guess we will be running small most games next year.

Jeremy Wilhelm 11 years, 5 months ago

"Don't believe that is probably on the way, however. I would guess we will be running small most games next year."

It seems no one on here ever mentions Justin Wesley. Is there something about him that indicates to us that he can't be effective? We know he has decent size, plus a year and half of going against T-Rob and the Morrii in practice every day. He's also been getting Hudy'd and Manning'd up. I'm not expecting he'll be a superstar or anything, but it's not beyond reason to expect he could be a serviceable player. What am I missing?

LAJayhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Honestly, I simply forgot. But I would have to imagine most don't mention him because he's such a wildcard. He could have an impact, or he could ride the bench. A lot up in the air with that kid, but you are right, definitely a possibility that he could give some positive minutes.

Michael Pannacciulli 11 years, 5 months ago

Murray no love lost there, especially considering he won't even be able to suit up in the fall. Traylor has a lot of interest in him as of late...he's got to look at it all and see where he fits in. OSU came in early and hard, Lavin is putting an exciting future together at SJU, so it Pastner at Memphis. Of the schools he's considering only OSU comes close - a distant second - to KU in terms of facilities, fan support, coaching, history, (SJU's history is too dusty to be relavant) etc...it will boil down to PT for him and maybe seeing where his friends go.

Hey Bill - lock up Lacey and Daniels already. Let's close the deal here already. ;)

jhox 11 years, 5 months ago

Don't give up on Daniels just yet. The further removed he is from his Duke trip, without a commitment to them, the better our chances. Besides, of the schools he is considering, he stands to get (by far) the most playing time if he goes to KU.

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

With Jordan Hamilton leaving for the NBA, Texas has just as much playing time available.

Martin Shupert 11 years, 5 months ago

But doesn't everyone know that Rick Barnes can't coach his way out of a paper lunch sack? That man does less with more than any coach I have ever watched.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Rel is our Hamilton right now. DD would have to come in and immediately impress with what Rel has earned now for 3-4 yrs with the program. If DD has the D of Rel and he learns the Self system very quickly, he might take significant mins from Rel. If Rel picks up where he left off at the time of his injury, he will be tough to beat in that 3 spot. Rel has size on DD too. Rel is 6-5,6 and DD is 6-7, 6-8. Rel weighs 215-225lbs (muscle)? DD weighs 190? Self likes to post the 3 and you've got to have some size ie. Rio.

Starters:TT (30-35 mins), EJ (20-25 mins), Rel (20-25 mins), TRob (30 mins), WIthey (20-25 mins) Backup: Tharpe (15-20), BMac (20 mins), DD (20-25), Anderson (10-15 mins) and Wesley (15-20 mins)

If we didn't have Rel, I'd say DD was a virtual lock, but with Hamilton gone, it seems realisitc he could resign with UT and start playing 35-40 mins a game.

At this point if we get DD, it will be a nice surprise. I was somewhat confident he'd choose KU even with the dook visit. Dook lost him when they enrolled Murphy.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree with this. I don't know where he'll go, and neither do the "experts." The experts were saying he was a lock to enroll in the spring, and that obviously didn't happen. I have a theory about Daniels. When he announces we'll all know where he's going!

Jarod DeLozier 11 years, 5 months ago

Sayin it again. Daniels to Duke. Just because no one is saying it yet from his camp doesn't mean he hasn't decided. I would love to get him, but I'm he's going to Duke.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Delo- I don't know what your thrill is with dook. My post above explains that you're wrong my friend. Murphy enrolled, that took mins away from DD. UT lost Hamilton, that's huge and DD would pick-up significant Hamilton mins, 35-40 mins. They have no 3 at all. I'm sayin again, he's more than likely going to UT. It would make since. Now with uk losing Jones, Knight and possibly Liggins and Cal breaks open the check book, he might get DD somewhat like he got TJones. We both may be wrong.

His pt at dook wouldn't be much more than what he would get at KU. I'd say roughly 20-25 mins at both programs. UT and uk would give him 35-40 mins. Again Barnes and Cal are desparately seeking to replace Hamilton and Jones.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 5 months ago

If it wasn't for the Morii, X, and Selby Self's last three recruiting classes would have all been flops.

You can only half ass the recruiting trail and hope for late commitments for so long before it catches up to you.

Look at all the other great recruiters in the game. they all have thier classes locked up by december, the late siging period for them is spent adding depth to already good classes, the late siging period for Self recently has been spent trying to pull together a good class out of nowhere.

anyone else concerned about this developing trend?

selfishhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

How about Carolina? Does UNC have playing time to give, since their entire starting five is back? NOPE. Yet UNC signed a top class in December. Pull your heads out and quit making excuses for Self.

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

Well that is at least in part because everyone assumed Harrison Barnes was a OAD. Also both their bigs were undecided on whether they would enter the draft. Did anyone think they would have their entire starting five returning next year? NOPE. They were also coming off of an NIT season and drastically under-performing early in the season. The playing time was up for grabs and uncertain when Roy locked in that recruiting class.

This is not to say anything in regards to Coach Self's recruiting performance, just that your example is severly flawed.

Jayhawklegacy 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree with you 100% phog. If a kid wants to come here for immediate playing time with no competition for it, is a kid we should probably pass on. That tells you right there in a nutshell about his work ethic. If we get anything out of this years class I really hope we get some workhorses. The guys who are willing to go hard in practice and beat someone out. That will only make us so much better in March. Personally getting tired of kids worrying about playing time right away and making their choices depending on it. If you are better, you will start if not get in the gym and get better.

burnedout 11 years, 5 months ago

This will start off sounding argumentative, but I fully agree with you, except for the part about Selby and Xavier. Selby was a BIG flop and Xavier was a slightly less large flop. The M's were a huge hit, better than probably any of us thought at the time he signed them.

Mike Skiles 11 years, 5 months ago

Great commentary. I agree, Self should have realized before recruting him, that Selby would be impacted by NCAA issues, and then later would be injured - thus not making a great contribution his shortened freshman year. Equally, even though X was highly rated and provided good team contribution, he left after his freshman year and Self should have thus avoided him in recruitment. I'm guessing that you must also be a rocket scientist, given your deep insights on Jayhawk basketball. (Not!)

burnedout 11 years, 5 months ago

Lebowski - I took Bennybob's post as saying that he thought that the morris', selby and x were good recruits. Was that wrong? I agreed that the morris' were a huge hit (i was not being sarcastic), but that Selby and Henry were not. It wasn't about who stuck around the longest, just who were the best recruits.

burnedout 11 years, 5 months ago

juke4jay, great commentary. You are right. Selby and Henry were the two greatest recruits in the history of Kansas basketball. Their hard work and loyalty to Kansas vastly improved the life of every man, woman and child to ever don a Muck Fizzou t-shirt. The two of them single-handedly (wait - there were two of them, it must be double-handedly) have elevated Kansas basketball to heights that only K-State fans could dream of. Are you on the recruiting staff? If so, consider this. Good recruits are the ones that stay and actually make your team/program better, not cause distraction and dissent.

milehighhawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Not really concerned at all.

"If it wasn't for landing the #1 recruit in 2 out of the last 3 years, our classes would have been flops." -- is essentially what you are claiming.

It would have been premature for Self to do anything half a year ago because at the time he had no clue what next year's team would look like.

There's plenty of things to worry about in the world. Self running the KU basketball team should be pretty near the bottom of the list.

jhox 11 years, 5 months ago

I don't get how you can fault Self's recruiting. We've finished first and second in the major polls at the end of the regular season the last two years, and were national champions in 2008. I think it is more a matter of him making the decision to not go after one and dones, except when one esentially falls in his lap or he has an extreme need for an immediate stud. I also think he goes after a different kind of kid than a lot of the other coaches. I think he prefers the guys slotted 25 to 50, presuming they'll stay around more than a year.

This year he knew we needed bigs and he did go after and did lose out on some highly rated guys, but what top 10 guy in his right mind would have committed with 3 first round draft choices potentially coming back as upper classmen, who all played the 4 or 5?

That's the nature of the recruiting game, unless you're Kentucky (and likely paying players, as referenced by the $200,000 rumor brought to light by the Chicago Sun Times.) I'm also guessing the UNC recruits were not anticipating all of those guys coming back. KU's better players have had a reputation for sticking around longer than at some of the other top programs. That can be both a blessing and a curse (a curse in terms of recruiting.)

KUshaw, you're right, as usual...Texas would offer playing time. I guess I continue to see Duke and KU as the leads, but probably should include his original pick (Texas) in that group as well.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 5 months ago

Had we not landed the morri, X, and selby late the performance the past few years would not have been nearly as high.

i don't have a problem with self targetting the 25-50 rated guys. my concern is his constantly having to luck out if the late signing period each year to end up with a great class of 25-50 ranked players.

every other great recruiter, be it Callipari with is OADs, roy with 1-2 year guys, or Izzo and his 25-50 guys, they all have thier classes locked up by conference play.

self, on the other hand, has constantly had to luck out in april-may to end up with a good class. that luck looks like it finally ran out this year and your seeing the results of his inability to get kids to commit early.

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

WTF are you talking about?

Aside from the fact that any recruiting haul is going to look less impressive when you categorically remove the top 4 out of 14 guys.

Not to mention the fact that you are ignoring the likes of...

Tyshawn Taylor Thomas Robinson Elijah Johnson Travis Releford Jeff Withey

Who were all highly-touted recruits. It's somewhat disingenuous to use hindsight to evaluate a coach's ability to recruit. At the time he got them to commit to KU, they were all high recruits. Whether or not they've panned out yet as great players yet is irrelevant. Plus, two of the guys you named--Morrii--didn't become what they are until their 3rd year, which Johnson and Robinson are about to start...

There is no "developing trend", only unrestrained Jayhawk angst.

Too many fans are looking for us to be Kentucky and UNC. Newsflash--those schools getting higher-ranked recruiting classes than KU is NOT a new thing. We just don't get the level of media love that they do, and that has an effect.

And in spite of all that, somehow KU has managed to stay competitive.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 5 months ago

Its a catch 22,

UK and UNC get better recruits because they get better media coverage, because they have the best recruits.

its a never ending cycle that i would like to see self end.

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

It's not going to happen. No amount of getting good recruits will change that.

I mean, look--Henry and Selby both finished their HS careers as the #1 Rivals recruit. If that's not going to get the ball rolling, then nothing will.

tippy 11 years, 5 months ago

I just got off work so I know I'm commenting on this really late but statements like this are just ridiculous. "If we hadn't signed those guys we did, our recruiting classes wouldn't have been very good."

If we score more points than the other team, we're sure to win right?

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Wrong on your question tippy. We could do that prior to 2008 but not anymore. The players and fans are learning that KU is not able to outscore teams and that win ratio that you speak of above and lee speaks of below is depleting fast. Also, the foolish philosophy of outscoring the other team will lose ballgames. I have now changed my thinking a bit after coughing in the last few yrs of the tourney and believe that Self's D produces points. You gotta play D and then you get points. Defense scores points and when players buy this in a highly offensively minded recruiting class, you win. Have a you watched a high school classic or the heralded MD's AA games? All those guys do is play O, very little D. They could care less about the D. They are taught to be the ONE, the scorer.

I think TT finally learned this in the second half of the season, EJ is learning, Rel is a vet, TRob knows it and Withey will be the Def-Man of the yr in the Conf this yr. We've got to get back to that D mindset of '08. They won games b/c of it.

We don't win games by "outscoring" other teams. It's dumb and it produces lazy results on the D end.

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

I think you may have missed tippy's point. It seems to me that he/she is poking fun at people who evaluate recruiting classes after removing the best players from said classes.

It's sort of like saying "if we hadn't scored more points than the other team we would have lost". Well, no sh*t--but we did score more points. Or, applied to recruiting, we DID recruit those guys, so talking about how poor our class was without them is silly.

I don't think he was talking about the old comparison of out-offensing an opponent vs. defending said opponent.

Games are won, LITERALLY by scoring more points than the other team... or preventing the other team from scoring more than your team.

Ben Simonett 11 years, 5 months ago

You missed the point of my post,

I was pointing out that all of our best recruits (selby, X, the morrii) were signed late. If we hadn't been lucky enough to sign them late then those classes would have been terrible.

This year our luck ran out and there aren't any big time names to chase after in the late signing period.

waiting until the late singing period to scramble to pull together a respectable class like self does is risky and not a characteristic of a good recruiter.

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

The assumption that late = lucky is a erroneous one.

Not to mention the fact that Daniels and Lacey are both rated higher than either of the Morris twins were when they signed with KU...

Lacey - 96 scouts rating Daniels - 95 scouts rating Marcus - 94 scouts rating Markieff - 93 scouts rating

So it seems that "luck" hasn't really run out just yet now, has it?

Plus, the Morris twins are a case study in why you don't need top-10 recruits to be a successful basketball program. Only if you expect your freshmen to lead your team. KU has never been that kind of program. Development and retention of players has always been a HUGE part of KU's success.

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

The developing trend is that KU has more wins over the last two years than any team in the country. I will buy into that trend every single year.

I have heard the naysayers for year after year. If the "experts" writing all the recruiting rubbish really knew what they were talking about they would be employed as coaches. Sorry but the meaningless ranking systems and the slavish focus on them is seriously misguided as proven year after year by the results.

DWWChiefsfan 11 years, 5 months ago

It was reported on a Dallas news station last night that there has been a change of heart in Austin. Thompson and Hamilton will both enter the draft.

Dyrk Dugan 11 years, 5 months ago

was Traylor supposed to commit this weekend? that's what the first line of this story infers.....if so, I missed it.

DWW, the report came out Friday that Hamilton has already hired an agent...and Thompson and Joseph will put their names in, but not enter the draft. that brings UT back in the picture for Daniels, who originally committed there. Definite playing time in Austin.

i think it's between us and Texas now for Daniels...and that means we still have a pretty strong shot.

Kevin Huffman 11 years, 5 months ago

It may put them in the picture for Daniels but I would argue WITH or WITHOUT Daniesl if ALL of those guys leave that also puts them more back in the conference...at least a couple of spots!!!

Geesh! Hamilton, Thompson & possibly Joseph all gone!!! I was putting them as top 2 probably (only behind UNC) if they'd all returned.....now I don't know if they'd make it into the top 25!!!

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

True. CBSSports.com's Gary Parrish has KU listed 11th and Texas not listed at all (MU, Baylor and Texas A&M all are).

mhpharm 11 years, 5 months ago

Anyone else worries that DD is holding out to see what happens at Texas?? And now there is a plethora of playing time there, he will head to Texas....hmmm

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm afraid so now. Daniels would be a TJones or HBarnes at UT. They don't have any shooters except Myck Kabongo. Depends on Ja'Covan Brown's status.

I really hope Rel produces this year. He's way overdue on the stage.

TT, EJ, Rel, TRob and Withey- I think some may be discounting this lineup a little too soon. Tharpe, EJ, BMac, Anderson and Wesley

I really think Royce should've stayed. He would've backed EJ in the rotation and gotten some significant mins.

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

"TT, EJ, Rel, TRob and Withey- I think some may be discounting this lineup a little too soon."

+1

And not me. I will shout it from the mountaintops that I think Withey is due for his breakout year. I said the same of Reed last year, and he responded with his best season by far (the final game of VCU notwithstanding).

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Nothing went right with anyone that game. It was a classic case of Murphy's Law deluxe.

David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

DD holding out ? I think his daddy is the same as Cam Newton's and he is holding out for Kentucky $$ ......... Or are they out of $$ ??

Actually the way Kentucky is going they will hit up the NCAA do field two teams in 2011. Kentucky "A" and Kentucky "B". But come tournament time they can combine the two teams and compete as one. The NCAA has let them do about everything else questionable under the sun, why not this ?

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

This seems out of line unless you have facts to back up your charge. And if you have facts I would suggest the NCAA as the appropriate venue for this assertion.

David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

There are enough questionable facts out there about Calisleazy & Kentucky basketball to warrant about anyone's assumptions. If the NCAA hasn't taken notice they never will ! Either they are afraid of Calisleazy or too busy with the Tressel debacle ..........

BCRavenJHawkfan 11 years, 5 months ago

Don't overlook that Gillespie has done something to get Traylor's attention in this hell hole called Lubbock.

Nick Cole 11 years, 5 months ago

This is not related to recruiting, but a blip from an article on espn.com about Selby and the one-and-done rule is the reason why so many people on here are bashing Selby.

Here is the blip:

'So after spending time in Vegas working out, Selby was set to go pro. There has been no looking back. He still hasn't returned to Lawrence and still hasn't talked to Self, although the coach said he has spoken several times with Selby's mother.'

Read the full article here: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=6407176

I'm glad we got Selby, and I'm glad we went through the fight for him. But this doesn't change the fact that he ended up hurting our team when he was in the game at the end of the season. Also, this is not really his fault. NCAA dragging their feet, suspension, multiple injuries, and simply being a frosh all contributed to his struggles. I hope he does phenomenal in the NBA and wish him nothing but the best.

The only thing I don't like is the way he left. Announcing it on twitter, having his mom talk to the coach, not coming back for class. This shows a lack of respect for the very institution and individuals that fought to get you to where you currently are. No hard feelings form me, considering he is just a kid and has obviously not had and adult figure in his life to teach him the right way to do things.

I just wish he could have seen that college life is better than where he came from. Sure, you aren't making the "big bucks," but you still get paid. I ran track in college, and we got a scholarship check every month. Basketball players at KU, I'm sure, get a much fatter check than I ever got. Believe me, it's more than enough to live off of for three years in college.

If the NCAA has the balls to drag these superstar athletes through the muck during their likely only year in college, why not have the balls to make their own rule stating that if a player signs a LOI for a university, he is now committed for three years. Grow some balls NCAA, and show that you truly do have the Student before the Athlete.

(Sorry about the long ramble )

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree with you, but in this instance it's not the NCAA entity that controls this process. It's like any corporation, business, or professional entity that determine your employment for the future. Currently Major League Baskeball, National Football League, and the National Basketball Association have strict rules when it comes to their entry qualifications.

Major League Baseball because of their minor league affiliations have a great rule which allows professional status after high school or after your junior year of college. NFL has a minimum age requirment where most have to complete their junior year of college depending if you red-shirted or not. NBA's is the worst IMO, but it's the NBA and not the NCAA who makes that decision and allows these youngsters to seek employment in their association.

Nick Cole 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm glad you agree with me, and I know it's the NBA currently at fault for this. I just wish the NCAA would step up and say this is not O.K. for the student-athlete. The NCAA is a corporate entity just like the MLB, NBA, and NFL are. They govern these kids and institutions and need to do what is in the best interest for them. The NCAA has the ability to institute a rule like this. Even though these student-athletes are kids, they are 18+ by the time the set foot on a college campus. These kids have the ability to sign a legally binding document. The NCAA can use this fact to institute a rule to counteract the one the NBA is using to exploit these kids and institutions, thus making a mockery higher education. The NCAA says they are there for the students and institutions, but they are the ones who are content taking a back seat to the NBA and it's stupid rule. This is why I say the NCAA needs to grow some balls.

Jonathan Allison 11 years, 5 months ago

I like the concept of what you're proposing, but I have to question the legality of the NCAA forcing student athletes to sign a contract stating that they can't play in the NBA for X number of years after enrollment in college.

My thoughts are this. The NCAA can't force a student athlete to stay in school. The NCAA can't force a student athlete who has dropped out of school to not seek employment. I think that such a bylaw in the NCAA rulebook would be ruled unconsitutional in a federal court.

The NBA however can place this restriction on NBA hopefuls because it is considered a qualification for employment and doesn't interfere with the candidates opportunity to pursue any other career path.

Nick Cole 11 years, 5 months ago

That's a good point, which I obviously didn't think of. I do feel that there is something the NCAA could do. After all, my main concern is protecting the "student" portion of student-athlete. Maybe schools could require the athlete to pay an equivalent of 3 years tuition, books and housing to a scholarship fund if they leave before three years. This rule could be regulated by the NCAA and would be proportional to the school they attend. If they are out of state, they must pay the out of state rate.

Here is the thing. We all go to college to find a career. If I were to get the opportunity to leave school early and make a boat load of dough, it would have likely been because I was a genius and got exceptional grades. In contrast, these athletes can leave early and not attend class, hurting the school. This isn't always the case, as with Xavier last year. But now we have seen the other side with Selby. It's not his fault, just the way the system is set up.

It's time to change the system.

Nick Cole 11 years, 5 months ago

Also, it could be a non-compete clause. If I work for Starbucks, I can't go work for "Joe's Coffee" for 2 years. Same deal. College basketball competes for markets just like the NBA does. I know they are young, but legally speaking they are considered adults. This could work...

JayHawkFanToo 11 years, 5 months ago

Non-compete clauses are largely non-enforceable, as an employer cannot prevent you from earning a living somewhere else. As long as you do not divulge Starbucks proprietary information to Joe's Coffee, there is no legal way for Startbucks to prevent you from working for Joe's Coffee The so-called "non-compete" clauses are used mostly to prevent and employee from using proprietary information somewhere else. There is no legal way available to the NCAA to prevent an individual from playing in the NBA.

Even if the NCAA could get students to sign a 3 years contract - and I seriously doubt it could - it would not be enforceable, as the condition needed to have a valid and enforceable contract would not be present.

Short of the NBA coming up with a policy similar to that of Major League Baseball, there is not much anyone else can do.

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

The legal basis for the NBA and the NFL rules lies in their respective labor union agreements. Without that basis there is no way an organization can prevent a man from earning a living. The labor laws in this country are exploited for this purpose. (I don't know what the MLB uses). I have heard both the NFL and NBA commissioners speak on this.

Nick Cole 11 years, 5 months ago

Looks like I need to brush up on my labor laws, huh?

Studogg 11 years, 5 months ago

I agree with everything Pat Forde wrote in that article. It's sad for Josh and for KU. It's an awful rule and should be changed. If they are old enough to go die for our country, they ought to be old enough to earn a living in the NBA if they have the talent to do so. If they come to college, it's three years. Period. And yes, the D-league is a joke.

David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

I think that the rule should be -3- years out of college regardless. The intent should be that the student athlete is actually provided the means to play basketball and get an education. Something to fall back on for the majority of the misled fools.

Think about it. There are approx. 346 division 1 basketball teams with lets say 13 scholarship players per team. So each year there are about 4,498 kids in division 1 playing basketball that are theoretically eligible for the NBA draft. So with -2- rounds of the draft they each have approx. a 1.33 % chance of being one of the 60 kids drafted in the first or second round. That doesn't include foreign kids drafted or those eligible from Divsion 2, 3, and junior colleges ...........

The bottom line is they should be forced to go to 3 years of college and actually grow into men with a means of survival when they don't make the NBA. Plus you are giving the universities and fans a chance to enjoy their investment in the kids for longer then -1- year !!

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

I have to disagree with Benny the Hill from above about recruiting classes being "Locked Up" for most of the top coaches in year's past. This 2011 recruiting class has been an abnormal year in recruiting. I've never seen so many "High Profile" recruits corner themselves into early commitments as they have this year before January.

Previous years have seen the top recruits wait well into April and sometimes throughout the summer before they make their decisions so that is why I found this 2011 class so confusing. Considering the lockout, roster changes, underclassmen declaring for the NBA, underclassmen coming back.........you would think that most recruits would want to wait and have a concrete definitive outlook on their future.

Viggo3003 11 years, 5 months ago

Selby peed on our valued Jayhawk rug dude.

Troll_or_AntiTroll 11 years, 5 months ago

Yes, but what (if anything) did he do at midcourt?

Mike Schell 11 years, 5 months ago

I really hope we get DD and Lacey!! I just want them to make a choice already so I don't have to check kusports.com every ten minutes and I can stop working my self up wondering why they wouldn't sign here! Imean we have everything they could ask for. Great coaches, great school,winning program, playing time, and were Kansas come on guys rock chalk!!

lee3022 11 years, 5 months ago

LOL! Perhaps their inconsiderate behavior is rooted on determining their own best interests! Imagine that.

I do almost share your frequency in checking though.

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

As it stands: TRob, Withey, Anderson, and Wesley in the 4-5 spots.

Question: Can anyone remember us being that thin in those spots? I can't.

However, look to 2002-2003 as a glimmer of hope. We had Collison, Graves, and really nothing else down the stretch at the 4-5 spots and through the tournament (as Simien got hurt). Of course, we had Hinrich, Langford, Miles, Lee on that team. Not a good comparison at the 1-3 spots.

Back to our current status .. as of now, we are in trouble there. No doubt. No way to spin that. We're in a tough spot. A guy like Traylor may be concerned that though he'll likely get some p.t. this coming season, he'll likely get pushed back when the 4 or 5 star guys get here in the future.

But look on the bright side, Withey could explode into a top flight player .. isn't that worth gambling your season on?

Daniels is an urgent need. We get Daniels .. at 6-8, we could play a different type of game since he's not a true 4. We need that talent.

David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

For anyone banking on noticeable improvement from Withey, I have some swamp land in several states for sale ! There were a lot of chances that HCBS could have put him in the game this year for development, maturity and game experience. Most times that didn't happen and that tells me a lot. The fact that HCBS doesn't seem to have much faith in Withey, tells me that we the fans shouldn't either ................ He needs to seriously go on the Mangino diet, and develop a meanness like we've never seen.

Sam Constance 11 years, 5 months ago

"There were a lot of chances that HCBS could have put him in the game this year for development, maturity and game experience. Most times that didn't happen and that tells me a lot."


It shouldn't. Self, god love him, is notoriously stingy when it comes to game minutes, especially once conference season play starts. Not to mention the fact that he typically plays a frontcourt rotation of three bigs. With the Morris twins and Robinson, Withey was the odd man out. All his lack of PT should really say to you is that he wasn't good enough to take minutes from those three guys.

Personally, I think people who see Withey as a stiff aren't watching him close enough when he does come into games. He shows several tools that would serve him well as a big man--lateral quickness, timing, to name a couple. Certainly he needs to bulk up and improve his touch around the basket, but people who have written him off already are doing so prematurely. For some anecdotal evidence, let's take a look at Withey's per-40 numbers as compared to Robinson and the Morris twins. Obviously, sample size is a concern, but they anecdotally illustrate Withey's potential.

Per-40 Points: Marcus - 24.3 Markieff - 22.3 Robinson - 20.8 Withey - 14.8

Per-40 Rebounds: Robinson - 17.5 Markieff - 13.6 Withey - 11.6 Marcus - 10.7

Per-40 Blocks: Withey - 4.5 Robinson - 1.9 Markieff - 1.8 Marcus - 0.9

In other words, Withey is certainly no centerpiece, but he has shown that he can produce in limited minutes. If nothing else, he can be a defensive force along the lines of Cole. Combine that with the fact that our perimeter defense should be the best it's been since 2008, and I'm pretty excited for this team.

It will be nice to get back to Self's hard-nosed defensive roots after a few years of teams that didn't seem to be as into suffocating their opponents.

REHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

With current NBA draft rulings, we can't have it both ways. Top 15 or 20 recruits are liabilities to depart NCAA programs after one season, esp. if they produce marvelous stats or play for teams who rule the rankings or advance to the Final Four. Kansas has the good fortune to offer a coaching staff which relies strongly on development rather than instant stardom. To date, among the 3 recruits and one walk-on coming to Lawrence for 2011-2012, Ben Mac is the only player who might depart early. If he shares the 3 position with Releford, and if they each stay healthy, there is a good chance both will return for the 2012-2013 season. This is not to say that Bill Self has not offered topnotch recruits the opportunity for stardom. Xavier and Josh received lots of immediate playing time and gleaned the opportunity to showcase their talents and deficiencies in the NCAA format. If Daniels commits to the Jayhawks, he probably will play at the 4 position. Perhaps he is shopping for a situation where he can star as a 3, the position where he is projected to be a best fit into a future NBA uniform. With Taylor, EJ, Releford, Ben Mac, Conner and Tharpe we would appear to be fairly well set but for the 4 and 5 positions. For the immediate present and near future, securing another dependable 4 or 5 player who leans toward staying more than one season would seem to be essential. Coach Manning will probably work wonders with Wesley and Anderson, and TRob and Withey can be counted upon to improve incrementally (hopefully expnentially in the case of Withey). Already, we have the ingredients for another run at the Big 12 title. I'm counting upon recruiting to fetch another eye opener before the fall semester. Considering all the early commitments nationally, there are bound to be shufflings and decommits before August. X was a decommit, as were the Morrii. Rush and Selby were late commits. Bill Self and staff can be counted upon to pull another proverbial rabbit out of the recruiting hat. It tests the patience of LJW posters and bloggers, opening the sportsnews daily to see if Self has worked more magic. But heck, where would our thoughts, hopes or grievances wander if there weren't something monumentally newsworthy to await?
A final thought: Can Div. 2 transfers play immediately in Div. I, or must they wait a year?

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

HEM: Great Post! In regards to Withey this is how I look at it. I'll be honest, at the time in 2008 when Aldrich just came off that crucial 4 minute stretch against UNC and Hansbrough in the semi-finals...........I really didn't think Aldrich was going to turn out to become the player he was in 2009.

I know a lot of people were making the Chenowith comparisons before the 2009 season started, but I never thought it was going to get that bad as Chenowith is one of my most despised Jayhawks ever. I remember being cautiously optimistic with Aldrich, but never really getting my hopes up.

I guess I am currently in the same state with Withey at the moment. You know, it's funny what happens to players when they realize it's "Their Turn" to carry the torch. No matter how we spin it as fans, Withey is going to get a bunch of PT next year. I think and I can only hope that because it's Withey's time to step up that he will put in the necessary work in the offseason to make the necessary jump to quality playing time for the 2012 season.

It's amazing what happens to your personal demeanor and mindset when you realize that you don't have anybody to lean on anymore while playing in front of 16,300 fans. That alone would make me put in the necessary hours of work so I 1) Don't embarass myself as a player 2) Don't let the University down under my watch while it was my time to shine.

I know the team result doesn't always end the way you want it, but I hope Withey personally excepts this next step in his career as an opportunity to really jump towards his next goal...........The NBA. I just hope my cautious perspective with Withey turns out in the same manner that it did with Aldrich for the 2009 season.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 5 months ago

Aldrich had some limitations early, but I don't remember him ever just getting blasted off his spot like Withey sometimes does. If Withey gains some weight, maybe, but I just don't see him being able to physically do much more than serve as a capable backup. I sure hope I'm wrong.

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Honestly though Rockchalk, Withey will be starting fresh IMO next year. I don't think people realize the pressure of not knowing when you're going to play. Sometimes it gets to the point like it was in 2008 for Aldrich that you're thrown into the mix and you really don't know what you're doing out there and all of your energy is just pure adrenalin. That is good as long as you can curtail it and not make any mistakes.

As for Withey, I think the same is true, but I truly feel he didn't garner enough minutes to get a full complete evaluation. I do think in Withey's case that he will get stronger, but I also feel that most players play differently when they get limited minutes not trying to make mistakes and trying to prove to coach that they belong instead of..................already belonging, coach has to play you, coach trusts you, and you've earned those minutes.

What's amazing to me is how much Aldrich surpassed everyone's expectations sophomore. Aldrich's 15 foot jumper was almost automatic his sophomore year, but he struggled with that same shot his junior year.

In the end, I thought the same thing about Aldrich rockchalk, but I am hoping that Withey surprises us all and I think he will to some degree. This next season is what I love about college basketball. Unknowns like Withey proving that they belong and we'll see soon enough whether or not the work or non-work he put in over the summer was beneficial. Quite frankly, it's up to him, but I'm excited to see his positive or negative maturation regardless.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 5 months ago

I hope you're right. If Withey plays well, next season will give us a lot to be excited about!

Larry Smith 11 years, 5 months ago

Shaw, I read all of your posts. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. But almost always, they are thought out and insightful. That being said, I just do not understand your animosity towards Chenowith. The dude did whatever Coach Williams asked him to do. He scored in the season he needed to. He deferred to Collison, Gooden, Hinrich and company in the seasons when he needed to. He always rebounded and played tough D.

He finished his career top 20 in scoring all time, # 2 in Blocks and 3 or 4 in rebounds. That is a very productive career. I know that he did not live up to the outrageous expectations of the fans, But he did do his work and contribute nicely. Why you would despise that type of production is beyond me? How many Bigs have we had since then, that can claim those types of numbers?

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

Jayhawk86, thanks for the kind words and I wouldn't expect you to always agree with me. What fun would that be? As for Chenowith, my issues had more to do with him as a person and an individual than it did as "Game Player".

Granted, I saw an interview from him a year or two ago and it changed on my perspective on him as a person "Today", but my views of him as a "Jayhawk" will never change.

It was noted pretty well that Chenowith was in Williams doghouse the last two years because of his work ethic. In other words, Chenowith got lazy and expected everything to get handed to him, especially the NBA.

I also felt that his demeanor and negativity was well displayed his last two years. His senior year was a year in which KU wasn't great, but it seemed like (Just my opinion) somebody owed Chenowith something. His quotes at least from my perspective came off as cocky, ill-advised, wrong timing, and just downright head scratching at times.

I don't know, Chenowith's quotes reminds me of Tyshawn Taylor at times, but for some reason I give Taylor benfit of the doubt more so than I ever did Chenowith. I guess what it boils down to Jayhawk86 is that I just didn't like the guy on or off the court.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Great WIthey points. He will understand his role now. He will play and pt brings confidence. Look at the Twins, esp MkM. I agree completely with shaw's pts above and below. Give Wthey a chance. If Self didn't think Withey would be an impact player, he wouldn't have transferred him from AZ.

Self is smarter than that when it comes to recruiting. I guarantee you Self saw something in him before he even signed with AZ back in the day. Withey has played with Aldrich, Twins, TRob and DMan. He will be better. I thought Withey showed some signs of progress and was extremely efficient in games that he played.

jhox 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm optimistic about Withey turning into a good player for us. He runs well, leaps extremely well. Has soft hands. It's hard to come into a game for 2 or 3 minutes (especially when you maybe only get into a game once every 2 or 3 weeks) and play well. I think all that is seperating Withey from being a productive player is playing time. This past season, Self not only had the 3 bigs, but he had a couple of extra 3's who he was trying to get time at the 4 position. With minutes opening up, Withey will get a decent shot next season. My suspicion is he'll bring both strenghts and weaknesses to the team but, hopefully, the strenghts will outweigh the weaknesses.

Probably the former KU guy he reminds me most of is David Padgett. He's a bit slow with the first step, but runs well once he gets going. He has a soft shooting touch. Withey's a much better leaper though, and definitely faster in a straight line. When he gets beat off of the dribble, the guy he's guarding is still going to have to worry about getting his shot blocked. With Padget that wasn't the case. Padget had a decent career at Louisville, after he left here, if not great.

I loved that Pitino promised his Dad he would get to step outside more, and then he never touched the ball outside of the paint when he got there. The kid was too slow to defend a 5, how was he ever going to match up with a 3? As a side note, Padgett was not a wasted scholarship in his year at KU...he did hit a game winner against MU. That was worthy of the scholarship, even if he never contributed anything else positive at all.

khekhen 11 years, 5 months ago

"leaps really well" lol. you must have missed the time he got rejected by the rim on a put back dunk. he went up with such authority!

you got one thing right in that awful comparison to padgett, i dont see withey "contributing anything else positive at all".

jhox 11 years, 5 months ago

I stand behind my leaping comments. I don't know when the rejection you reference took place, but may have been early in the season coming off of his foot injury. Obviously haven't watched him much, and are basing your opinion on one poor jump.

I'm not saying he's going to be great. He has 2 major flaws. He' has a really slow first step laterally, and he needs to add muscle, lot of muscle. Jumping ability is not in question though. The guys on the 2009-2010 team said Aldrich was the second best shot blocker on the team, to Withey.

Kevin Huffman 11 years, 5 months ago

While he had the frame more of a "3", I think the commit that we couldn't get this recruiting season that hurt the most was Angelo Chol who committed to 'Zona.....REALLY could've used him and while a bit undersized would've likely played the "4" and could've gone ahead with T.Rob as an undersized "5".

John Sheehan 11 years, 5 months ago

There's a lot of talk on here bashing the OAD's Selby and X. What I think people forget is while they didn't live up to expectations and win a bunch of games for us they also didn't lose big games for us. There is nothing wrong with OAD's.

The last 2 years, we lost in the tournament b/c of bad play by our Junior / Senior "leaders"...see stat line for Cole/Sherron '10 and Tyrell/Brady/Morrii '11. Our OAD's didn't take over, but they also didn't cost us those games.

Kills me to say it b/c my favorite players in recent era are Sherron and Tyrell...but they missed shots when it counted and each arguably played their worst when we lost.

Look at Duke with a bunch of great upperclassmen with rings, but lost - had a crappy game that they couldn't overcome even with OAD Kyrie Irving having a huge game.

The difference in winning a Championship or not is how your leaders play in the big games. In '08 we had a lot of leaders sharing the load and making big plays/shots.

The last couple years our leaders were the reason we lost...not X or Selby. I would always prefer to have more 3-4 year guys but there's nothing wrong with recruiting the Selby's and Xavier's of the world.

jayhawKUr 11 years, 5 months ago

Still have a shot at a good class. Crossing my finger!

REHawk 11 years, 5 months ago

Back to the WIthey theme. Along with the gaining of a few more pounds of muscle and, of course, benefitting hugely from another year with Manning and Hudy, Jeff has to work diligently on his freethrow shooting. If the bruisers continue to blast him out of the paint he has to punish them at the freethrow line. I felt that Bill Self would have played him many more minutes this season if Jeff had produced positive stats from the line. If he can become a dependable 65% freethrow shooter, our perimeter players can afford to get him the ball, knowing that he will score or get battered with fouls. Late in games, especially, he should have a field day from the paint or the foul line...if he can master those free shots. If I were Jeff I would seek advice from topnotch sports psychologists and freethrow shooting experts, in order to solidify that portion of my game. Anything 65% or higher, and he will bolster his contribution to the Jayhawks in a huge way.

KEITHMILES05 11 years, 5 months ago

Ragging on Selby with the plus/minus when he was in/out of the game is laughable.

The entire TEAM was a mess and was out of it. If anything Reed caused great damage with his pathetic shooting and horrendous defense. If you are going to pick on Selby then you must assign blame to each and every other player.

Kye Clark 11 years, 5 months ago

+1

I have been as baffled by some fans latching onto that +/- rating as you. The bottom line is some people are still bitter over the way the season ended, Josh leaving after only one year, and Josh's overall disappointing performance after his injury, and they decided to roll that all into one and blame Josh for the VCU game.

hawksforlife 11 years, 5 months ago

ralster- good point. Does the +/- statistic have a point? yes. However there are so many statistics to look at and that is only one of them, and I contend a minor statistic. Compared to Points, Rebounds, Assists, Turnovers, the +/- stat line is much less significant, but it still has some value.

Coach Self said it best, Selby had a terrible set of circumstances. We can all agree that the if he had a complete year of games and practices he have been amazing. It's the same as if in '08 Shady or Chalmers would have missed a bunch of games and been hobled up for part of the season. We don't know what would have happened, but it's safe to say it would have gone differently. OAD players are a risk, and obviously they can go well or poorly. However, I trust Self's recruiting and coaching ability. He has done an outstanding job so far in his tenure at KU. I just can't wait to see who else he's able to bring in this year.

khekhen 11 years, 5 months ago

that "statistical thing" you ignorantly refer to is actually used by a lot of basketball professionals in high places as ONE of the quantitative ways to measure a player's impact on a game.

educate yourself: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/15/magazine/15Battier-t.html

khekhen 11 years, 5 months ago

please, and i BEG you here...please show me how stats can rip apart michael jordan's career. i dare you.

ku1otaku 11 years, 5 months ago

On a side note: Anybody ever wonder what would have happened if Xavier Henry would've stayed for his sophomore year and Selby would've committed elsewhere? I actually think we would've been better this year had Henry stayed.

David Howell 11 years, 5 months ago

duh ........ great hindsight ! But since we are pretending, what if Selby hadn't missed any games (due to NCAA or injury) and participated in all practices and offseason. Then who do you pick ??

ku1otaku 11 years, 5 months ago

You say, "duh" but a lot of people have been bagging on Henry as if he was a bust. No way we don't win it all this year if we had him.

Joe Baker 11 years, 5 months ago

Lacey says we are first on his list. Kentucky bball fans, not UK, were really horrible to him at the Derby classic. The recruiting analysts has KU, UK and Alabama. KU is the favorite.

http://www.kentucky.com/2011/04/23/1716785/uk-target-lacey-struggles-u-of.html

I'm not sure if Lacey was 1) Disappointed in the fans comment 2) Disappointed in the question 3) just disappointed in his performance 4) taken by the fact that his teams were insulted 5) all the above.

I hope Lacey gets out of the SEC. They're all a bunch of obnoxious fans that know little to nothing about the sport and do not appreciate their players. I hope this Kentucky Derby Classic opened his eyes to SEC bball. They don't know Phog about bball.

Lacey- You had a bad game, it happens and we understand it here in Lawrence. We are not a bunch of obnoxious fans that will shout insults. We support you always. Good luck and make a good choice. You will have a great career wherever you decide to sign. Remember Self was true to you and I'm sure you will be true to HCBS and Co for being upfront with your recruiting.

Rock Chalk

brooksmd 11 years, 5 months ago

truehawk93..."Lacey- You had a bad game, it happens and we understand it here in Lawrence. We are not a bunch of obnoxious fans that will shout insults. We support you always."

Well, some do and some don't. Surprised this board didn't suffer a meltdown after the VCU game.

AZHawk72 11 years, 5 months ago

Given the rather late start...

...I'd be happy with either Lacey or Daniels plus a big. If anything better happens at this point, I'll buy a case of premium beer, for a change, and fall down and celebrate with anticipation. If it's Lacey, he should run at the 2 with either Taylor or Johnson at the point with Mac at the 3, ala Morningstar. If it's Daniels, Mac should see more 2 with Daniels mostly at the 3 with some relief at the 4.

Jayhawklegacy 11 years, 5 months ago

What I like about the recruits we have already signed is they didn't have to wait, to see who is going and who is coming back. These kids are worried about playing time to see what school they are going to commit to. That in its self worries me. I have said all along I think we need workhorses. Kids that want to battle for playing time, rather than given or promised to them. Lacey had a quote that Kansas and Alabama are kind of the same that there is immediate playing time here. Then says Kentucky is different he would have to work his butt off to get playing time. Well I would hope he would feel the same here. If a kid is better than you get in the gym and get better. We need the kids like Tharpe and Mclemore that know they need to battle in practice to get the minutes. Every kid we recruit has talent and has enough talent to beat the next one out. So if I was in there shoes go to the best school and work hard enough to get the starting spot. It down plays your abilities to hold out for a school because you think you will get more playing time. Beat the next guy out for lord sakes!!!!!!!!!

Jayhawklegacy 11 years, 5 months ago

Don't get me wrong I want Lacey, Daniels, and Traylor wearing the crimson and blue next season. I just have a problem with the one and dones of the world, trying to find a school to highlight their abilities for one season. I guess in reality its not their fault they have to come to college for a year right? I hope one day it goes back to old way go make your money out of highschool and stay out of college. Horrible Horrible rule!

Chris Shaw 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm not a big fan of "What If" scenario's because I like absolute's, but if for some reason Lacey and DD commit to KU and it ends up being Tharpe, McLemore, Anderson, Lacey, and DD, I'm not sure how you leave the Jayhawks out of the Top 5 in rankings. I'm not a big rankings guy, but many and I mean many place a big emphasis on those rankings.

IMO, St. Johns class at #2 is based on numbers rather than quality and the same could be said for Arkansas at #5 according to rivals, but I do feel if that class were to happen above that that KU belongs in that mix somewhere.

http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1154662

RSCI rankings seem to average out all the recruiting services, but to have McLemore, Daniels, and Lacey all in the Top 50 would be pretty sweet considering the circumstances.

McLemore-#25 Daniels-#29 Lacey-#45 Tharpe-#88

http://www.rscihoops.com/

Jack Wilson 11 years, 5 months ago

Kushaw .. was this your "I have a dream" speech? I like it.

justanotherfan 11 years, 5 months ago

The NCAA and NBA agreed on the OAD rule because the NCAA needs this rule more than the NBA does. The NBA will find a way to figure out which talent is superior to other talent. They don't need the NCAA for that. But the NCAA needs the talent. It was the NCAA that was complaining about not getting top flight HS talent prior to the OAD rule being implemented by the NBA. Yeah, the NBA had some draft busts, but the NBA has always had draft busts, and always will because of the differences between the college game and the NBA game, and the huge leap in skill level between the two.

But the NCAA has to have that influx of top shelf talent coming into the college game year after year.

Look at college baseball. Very few people follow college baseball. It has never been able to garner more than a hit or miss following, even in conferences like the SEC and Pac-10, where their baseball teams are always high caliber. I'm not saying that a three year rule would cause basketball to fall from its current popularity to that of college baseball, but the NCAA can't take that risk.

Currently, the NCAA's major revenue source is the Men's basketball tournament. For the 2010-2011 year, the NCAA brought in $680 Million in TV and marketing revenue. The TV deal that was in place prior to this year brought in an average of $545 Million for the NCAA tournament per year. That's right at 80% of the total TV revenue for the year, and it's almost ALL tied to the men's tournament. Almost 90% of the NCAA's TOTAL revenues come from TV and marketing, so 80% of that 90% is, needless to say, an enormous chunk of that budget. Oh, and it should be noted that the new deal, which runs through 2024, is worth $10.8 B, or about $770 M per year (which happens to be more than the TOTAL NCAA budget this year).

Advertisers want to make sure the highest caliber players are available to play in those games because those are the players that attract the casual fans. The NCAA wouldn't be sealing 9 figure per year deals for TV if elite players weren't available, because casual fans only follow the superstars. If advertisers knew that the best 15-20 players in the country EVERY YEAR weren't going to play college basketball because they didn't want to deal with a three year no way out deal, advertisers may move away from paying top dollar for the NCAA. Even a small erosion in popularity could have a huge effect on the NCAA's bottom line because college hoops is the ONLY real cash cow they have.

So as much as the NCAA may publicly decry OAD players, and suspend them and scrutinize their transcripts, friendships, etc., they still want them on campus, because without them, that next TV contract may not be as big, and without that big contract, the NCAA has NO MONEY.

See the NCAA budget here - http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3/2010-11+Condensed+Budget.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3

Jayhawklegacy 11 years, 5 months ago

I understand money rules the world. It sucks that it has to take something as beautiful as college basketball and make it all about money.

John Sheehan 11 years, 5 months ago

Source? And either you or your "source" doesn't know how to spell Wichita meaning you're dumb aka - from Kentucky...

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