Coaching Search 2014: There's a new No. 1 on the updated percentage wheel


Kansas University wide receivers coach David Beaty, right, delivers instructions to KU wideout D.J. Beshears on April 18 at the KU practice field. Beaty rejoined the Jayhawks’ staff after serving as offensive coordinator at Rice last season.

Kansas University wide receivers coach David Beaty, right, delivers instructions to KU wideout D.J. Beshears on April 18 at the KU practice field. Beaty rejoined the Jayhawks’ staff after serving as offensive coordinator at Rice last season. by Kevin Anderson

When Charlie Weis was fired on Sept. 28 and this whole Kansas University football coaching search first got rolling — the third such endeavor by KU since 2009 — there was one name that I always used to answer the question, “So who's gonna be the next coach?”

It might be time to put that name back at the top of the list.

Based on what I learned from a handful of conversations I had throughout the day Tuesday, I'm elevating Texas A&M assistant coach David Beaty to the No. 1 spot in my percentage wheel.

Here's a look:

1. David Beaty – 37%
2. Clint Bowen – 25%
3. Other – 16%
4. Justin Fuente – 10%
5. Tim Beck – 7%
6. Ed Warinner – 5%

As you already know — and many of you have so kindly pointed out — this does not mean Beaty is absolutely the guy or even in the lead or anything like that. The percentage wheel merely keeps tabs on what I think might happen and it's sounding a little more likely by the day that Beaty could be the guy the Jayhawks wind up with as the 38th head coach in program history.

If that's the case, the Jayhawks certainly would be making a solid hire.

I knew Beaty briefly during both of his stints as the KU wide receivers coach — once under Mark Mangino (2008-09) and again in 2011 under Turner Gill — and I liked everything about the guy.

He's a good guy. He's genuine. There's not an ounce of phoniness to him and he has incredible people skills, with the ability to relate to people from all walks of life, from a 16-year-old three-star recruit to a 72-year-old millionaire donor and everyone in between. He's one of those guys who seems to call everyone “partner” and finds a way to make them like it when he does. Some might even say he's the Texas version of Bill Self, personality-wise at least.

His recruiting ties throughout Texas are already well documented — he's a native of Garland, Texas and worked at four different Texas high schools from 1994-2005 — but it's probably worth noting that he has the deepest ties in the Dallas-Fort Worth area, which has been a hotbed for Kansas during the past decade and definitely will continue to be so into the future.

Beaty owns a highly intense personality, one that's rooted in down-home goodness and having fun. That's not to say he's a pushover. Not by any means. In fact, his receivers at Kansas always talked about how demanding he was and that he emphasized that they do all of the little things right — particularly with regard to blocking — and often did not accept anything less than perfection. At the same time, he respected them enough to make them feel appreciated and knew how to reward their solid efforts.

A lot has been made about Beaty being “the next Art Briles,” but that's a lot of pressure to put on one guy given the fact that many believe Briles is as good as they come in the college football coaching profession these days. The reason that probably comes up so often is because Beaty was a successful high school coach in Texas and followed that success to the college ranks, where he's done well both as a position coach and a recruiter.

One former Big 12 assistant I spoke to about Beaty said he believed without hesitation that Beaty was ready to make the leap to the head coach's office and added that if that's who the Jayhawks end up hiring they will have made a very quality hire.

In 2010, Beaty was the offensive coordinator at Rice and he held the co-offensive coordinator title during his second stint at Kansas under Gill while coaching wide receivers at both schools. He's been the A&M receivers coach for three years and is in his second season as A&M's recruiting coordinator.

It's possible there was some hope early on that KU might be able to convince Beaty to come to Lawrence as the offensive coordinator, but I'm betting A&M would step up and battle to keep him if that were the only offer on the table. If KU offers him the head coaching job, there's probably not much Kevin Sumlin could do to make A&M sound more appealing than that.

Former Kansas receivers coach David Beaty, right, will return to the KU coaching staff in 2011.

Former Kansas receivers coach David Beaty, right, will return to the KU coaching staff in 2011.

• As you can see, I've also added former Nebraska offensive coordinator Tim Beck to the percentage wheel after being told not to sleep on the guy during this search and removed Matt Wells from the list.

• As for the one removal, I didn't hear much, good or bad, when asking around about Wells on Tuesday and I also noticed that Jon Kirby over at was planning to remove him from his board.

• I don't think Clint Bowen is done at this point. That's why he's still in the No. 2 spot on the percentage wheel. But his best shot right now seems to be if one or two other guys pass or remove themselves from contention. Let's say Beaty elects to stay at A&M (perhaps with a raise and a new title) and Fuente waits for a better job to come open to make his leap. If that were to happen, I think Bowen would be the guy.

• There's always the chance that someone new could enter the picture and that's why I've got "Other" up there so high still. All of that 11th hour talk that I heard on Sunday was pretty interesting.

• It's still early, but this thing seems to be moving pretty quickly. That makes sense because of all of that prep time Sheahon Zenger, Chuck Neinas and company had as the season played out and, it also makes sense because KU would be smart to move as fast as possible given the fact that big-time jobs Florida, Michigan and Nebraska are all open at the same time and what goes on there and the trickle-down effect that would follow could impact Kansas if they wait around too long.

Stay tuned…


Jim Jackson 7 years, 10 months ago

Love it! Beaty took a Rice offense ranked in the 100's to in the 50's in his one season as OC; That's remarkable. Furthermore, he has coached numerous 3 star players (Dillard, Briscoe, Evans etc.) into All -Americans and NFL draft picks.

We already know how great of a recruiter he is. Bring em on and Bowen will stay as DC/ Associate HC.

Lance Cheney 7 years, 10 months ago

It's interesting you bring up the blocking by receivers. Our downfield blocking by our WRs the past several years has been atrocious.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

I don't have an opinion on this guy I just wanted to be the first to post. I'm usually brining up the rear.

Robert Brown 7 years, 10 months ago

I would assume that Bowen would stay if Beaty were head coach. I'm in no position to assess who would be a good head coach, but Beaty meets most of the criteria that is important which Matt spelled out. I do think we need to hire someone who understands the landscape and Beaty has been here twice under good and bad situations. I think that was one of many problems with the Charlie Weis hire.

Maybe it's already been said, but Mangino really hired some good coaches many of whom have done well.

The other thing to note is the nomadic lifestyle of assistant coaches. This could be Beaty's third move to Lawrence in five years.

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 10 months ago

Bravo for being one of the few on this board who admit they aren't in a position to assess who would be a good head coach. would be boring reading if the rest of us were so honest!

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 10 months ago

How soon are you anticipating the hire, Tait? And I have a little wild prediction of my own. I keep talking about Harbaugh but I have a glimmer of hope still left. Zenger will ask Neinas to reach out to him after another loss this weekend, being that the hot water he's in with San Fran will be getting hotter. Harbaugh will talk with his wife the family they have in Kansas to discuss the conversation. He'll decide to resign from the 49ers mainly because of the fiasco they've caused. And with the talk of him being traded he won't want the 49ers to be rewarded for trading him. He'll accept the coaching job at KU next week being the highest paid coach we've ever had. How's that for a wild prediction? The funny thing is Harbaugh is actually crazy enough to do all of that even if it's a fairy tale of a prediction.

Matt Tait 7 years, 10 months ago

Wellllllll, don't hold your breath!

I think the hire (whoever it is) will be made by the middle of next week. Wednesday or Thursday, maybe. Like I said, things seem to be coming together quickly.

Steve Corder 7 years, 10 months ago

"Hi Jim, this is Chuck Neinas. The Kansas job is yours, money is no problem. Jim? Jim? You there, Jim? Jim, can you hear me now? Jim?.....Damn phone!"

John Fitzgerald 7 years, 10 months ago

"Sorry Chuck my cell service sucks in my office. Yes I would gladly take the HC position at Kansas ... " "Really!?" "No." click

Eric MacDonald 7 years, 10 months ago

Too funny, probably because it's about how it might likely go. Thanks for the laugh.

Jim Jackson 7 years, 10 months ago

We need to infuse the roster with better talent; many believe he could do it the quickest. We need a young, intense passionate coach who has the energy for the rebuilding process; him and Bowen would be a concrete combination.

Matt Tait 7 years, 10 months ago

Yeah. It really would be a fantastic situation for KU. Next year's gonna be rough no matter what, but the energy will be there and these guys can find players.

I've said all along that the HC is definitely important but the thing this program needs more than anything is talent. The only way you compete in this conference is with more quality players.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

If he’s that good of a recruiter A&M won’t let him go for cheap. How long before he bolts for another program?

Matt Tait 7 years, 10 months ago

Fair point, but A&M can't offer him anything like the chance to be a head coach in the Big 12. Even if they would pay him what KU does (which to be an assistant isn't likely), I gotta think he'd say thanks but no thanks and take the chance as a head coach.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

He would definitely be taking a chance and a pretty big one at that. Some of our coaching alum have gone onto prestigious programs like Liberty U. and Missouri State after they washed out here. I think he’d be wiser to take a head coaching job at a school like SMU, Houston, Rice, etc. Not only are they in his backyard but he could build his resume for a less risky head coaching job down the road.

Hedley Lamarr 7 years, 10 months ago

Which men's b-ball coach are you not counting? KU's had eight men's b-ball coaches.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

William Hamilton. How could I have forgotten him.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 10 months ago

Keeping in mind that being a coach didn't really become a profession with much stability at a lot of schools until the end of WWI.

Matt Tait 7 years, 10 months ago

Beaty's tough. You won't have to worry about that.

Cody Riedy 7 years, 10 months ago

Hey Matt, one knock some have on Bowen is that no one else would hire him as an HC. Will Beaty be a candidate for anybody else's openings?

Matt Tait 7 years, 10 months ago

I would think so. I think SMU may have had some interest early. And most I talk with say it's only a matter of time before he's an HC. If KU doesn't hire him, he may be the next OC at A&M and if they continue to do well and he does well in that role, all kinds of jobs would be open to him.

If KU goes with him, they could be getting in ahead of the game on a heck of a coach.

Jay Hawkinson 7 years, 10 months ago

Beaty has been mentioned as a candidate at Tulsa.

Jonathan Briles 7 years, 10 months ago

I was very much against the idea of hiring Beaty. He is a WR coach and it seems really odd to promote someone from a position coach to head coach. His lack of experience worries me, but this article had some stuff that did bring me closer to thinking he could be a solid hire. I would still be nervous about the hire, but it seems like it would not be the worst thing. I'm looking forward to having this over with and watching whoever it is assemble a staff. The staff they assemble will be the most telling thing about them.

Cody Riedy 7 years, 10 months ago

Sounds like a good candidate in many ways; my only question would be regarding his experience. A lot of people have knocked Bowen for his lack of experience (and also for what they perceive as a lack of success as a DC), but technically, it appears Bowen has more experience in high-responsibility positions (many years as DC and now 2/3 year as HC). Granted, Beaty, has only been working at the college level for about a decade, but if I'm getting his resume right from the article here, he's been an OC one year at Rice and an assiatant OC for one (very poor) year at KU - what exactly are people going off of here to have such high predictions for his success as a college HC? High school success and recruiting prowess? That's a little iffy for me. I haven't done a ton of research, so apologies for my ignorance, but did he demonstrate that recruiting prowess before recruiting at TxAM?

Chris Gilbertson 7 years, 10 months ago

Seeing Tim Beck's name on your percentage wheel is a really scary thing. Yikes, that would be 3 super bad hires in a row for KU.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 10 months ago

Beaty would be a fantastic hire !

Will be first in the season ticket line if we can get Beaty.

You gotta recruit Texas...and Beaty can bring some 4 star linemen up here from the Big D.

Give the guy a contract and lets get to recruiting. Give Pelini the D-coordinator gig...and find a Va Tech guy to run the special teams.

Ashwin Rao 7 years, 10 months ago

I must have missed something, what Va Tech guy?

Cody Riedy 7 years, 10 months ago

Va Tech just generally has a reputation for having great special teams play - that's part of Beamer-ball (Beamer being their head coach).

Cody Riedy 7 years, 10 months ago

Did he land those 4-star players before he arrived at A&M, who in fairness, were getting that caliber player with or without Beaty? Being a high ranked recruiter at a major Texas college playing in the SEC doesn't "necessarily" meaning anything. I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm just curious, not having scoured the guys record, what makes people so confident that he can recruit anyone anywhere, for example, high ranked players to Kansas.

Chris Spangenburg 7 years, 10 months ago

yeah. he's been here on two different stints and didn't bring those types of kids in before ....

Jonathan Allison 7 years, 10 months ago

Beamer-Ball's glory days ended after Mike Vick's junior season. They've had flashes of being really good since then, but the special teams game has not lived up to it's reputation for blocking kicks in a long time. Mostly they just have been one of the better teams in a weaker conference since they joined the ACC.

I don't know of anyone from the Beamer coaching tree, but I guess there could be someone out there who knows how to get it done...

Logan Johnson 7 years, 10 months ago

BEATY & BOWEN AT THE TOP? THIS IS UNREAL! What an absolute joke. We will all watch KU go further into the toilet if either of these coaches are hired. I can not believe the publicity in Lawrence. Tait is a Bowen backer through and through, David Beaty and Bowen are close friends and were the major whistle blowers when Mangino was fired. Beaty's resume doesn't even compare to Fuente or Warinner; not even close.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 10 months ago

Logan - This is the first I've heard that Beaty and Bowen threw Mangino under the bus back in 09.

Is there any internet content or documentation that we could reference that ? Because if that's really the case, it needs to be brought up publicly.

Calvin Miller 7 years, 10 months ago

Bowen, Beaty, and Bill Miller (LB coach) were the 3 coaches that requested a meeting with Perkins before the end-of-season game with MU in 2009. From my friendship with a few FBS coaches, there is an unwritten code among coaches that you don't throw another coach under the bus. As a result of this, reportedly the "discussion" on the coaches' headsets between Bowen and Mangino during the KU-MU game was legendary in it's amount of profanity. But maybe the fact that Bowen's defense gave up over 500 yds in that game added to the fire.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 10 months ago

The biggest mistake Mangino did was promoting Bowen as his defensive coordinator in 2008 after Bill Young went to Miami. Those two seasons were very frustrating from a defensive standpoint.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 10 months ago

Calvin, what's your source?

For example, I read that Charlie Weis threw a fellow Jets coach under the bus in a strange power play that landed him the Patriots OC job in 2000. And I read that in Sports Illustrated a few months ago (anybody else recall that article?). It soured my opinion of Weis (even further), I think before an inept TX team gave us the goose egg in Lawrence 23-0.

I hope this is NOT true about Bowen, as I have wanted to believe that he knows what it may take to win in Lawrence. But I am also reminded of that recent recruiting phrase: "You dont want a kid who grew up in a house with a 3-car garage..." (I think the assumption is that a kid from a rougher background will fight & scrape harder, compared to a kid who's never had to). Such a 'coaching softness' to complain about Mangino wouldnt be a good thing for the program. But then the counter-spin is that if Bowen knows already that KU isnt going to get KSU-style scrapy kids, then he may know of ways to motivate the 'softer' kids? I dont know...but my comment is directly aimed at the 'culture' at KU and the type of school we are. We differ from KState's culture. A lot of us take pride in that, just as the KSU people take pride in who they are. Maybe these differences are playing out in our football program.

Look at Self's program. His unrelenting demand for toughness and scrappiness has basically led him to import the talent (Thomas Robinson, Sherron, Tyshawn). The "nice guys" always seem to have to fight their own personality to give 100% for Self, like EJ did. And some of those guys were Kansas boys like Ellis (who is turning it on now, to his credit) and Reed (who admitted he just didnt know how to take Bill Self initially). Basically, Self has taken the best possible approach: go get 4- and 5-star kids, and then coach them up into a tough, scrappy bunch. Best of all worlds. Going to have to do something similar with KU football. Need talent and toughness, and this is where the 'culture' at KU comes right under the spotlight. Mangino wanted to be treated better than anybody else. He wanted to be untouchable on campus. I can bet he saw Head football coaches get treated like gods at other schools (football schools?). You can always say, 'well its wrong to blow your top at a kid writing a parking ticket' or worse: 'wrong to poke a LB in pads in the chest for poor play' (really?)--but IF that's what the KU culture is, then this is a worse job than I thought.

Maybe this is why, after the IowaState win, that Mangino said Bowen did a nice job, "and would be perfect for KU". I think the double-entendre there is that we would get what our culture deserves.

(Sorry, but I keep hearing Self's voice in my head, calling us soft.)

Alex Fletcher 7 years, 10 months ago

Warinner would be a terrible hire, would rather have Beaty or Bowen!

Robert Brock 7 years, 10 months ago

Why would Warinner be a bad hire. He has had success at every gig. Unlike Bowen, for example.

Calvin Miller 7 years, 10 months ago

Maybe you haven't reviewed Warinner's resume. Bowen and Beaty can only dream of a resume like that.

Micky Baker 7 years, 10 months ago

This is the first anyone has ever said that until now. I'm pretty sure this would have been known at the time if this was the case. Mangino was getting a lot of complaints by the players for the way they were benched for making freshman mistakes as freshmen.

Joe Ross 7 years, 10 months ago

I agree. Totally unsubstantiated in these comments. No one should believe a shred of it unless and until a source is cited. If they were whistle blowers, where is the proof? The term "reportedly" has been used above. Where are the reports? Who reported it? If there was a meeting with Perkins by the three coaches, then what specifically was the purpose and subject matter of that meeting? Anyone? Anyone?

Calvin Miller 7 years, 10 months ago

The entire assistant coaching staff was planning to quit after the 2009 season. All were tired of the verbal abuse by MM.
A meeting like this is not going to be publicly reported no more than public knowledge of the list of new HC candidates.

Lance Cheney 7 years, 10 months ago

Well I know a guy who knew some of the assistants on that staff, and apparently Mangino had just bought a new unicorn, in addition to the pet Sasquatch that he already had, and was needing a pay raise to fund this, not to mention the Loch Ness Monster rides he was taking his kids on. Centaurs eat a lot, too, you know. So this all angered the assistants, so they couldn't take it anymore. That's why Mangino ended up getting fired.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 10 months ago

Joe, go back and look at the turnover on Mangino's staff and something like this isn't hard to fathom. As for this specific incident, unless an involved party confirms it, there's no way of knowing if it's true or not. That said, I really don't have a hard time believing this story given other known facts at that time in regards to how Mangino was treating others.

Allison Steen 7 years, 10 months ago

Oh thats just ridiculous. They weren't whistleblowers. And I doubt Mangino would give the thumbs up for Bowen as head coach if they were. This isn't Hollywood, or high school. Let's calm down with the unnecessary gossip and drama.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 10 months ago

More gossip: maybe Mangino gave thumbs-up for Bowen as he thinks KU and Bowen deserve each other? I hope this isnt true. I want to believe, that given 3-4yrs to do all the little things from the ground up, that we can become a competetive BigXII team under Bowen. Start to get some wins against BigXII teams, and even the recruiting will get positively impacted. Rebuilds from cellar level are very hard, very time-consuming, especially for those Americans caught in the want-it-now mentality.

Ryan McAtee 7 years, 10 months ago

Hey Matt, Completely off topic here, but from what I understand and from what I am reading, we definitely will be having a rebuilding year next year, not only due to a new HC and staff, but with a lack of talent and numbers as well… I just saw that UAB axed their football program today – I admit I know nothing about their team, but what is the potential of players being able to transfer immediately? They have to have a few good players that could help our cause, one would think. Have any insight or thoughts? I am looking forward to your continued coverage of the coaching search… you have been my go to guy for the HC searches, conference realignment and all things KU football. Thanks for all you do and keep up the good work!

Matt Tait 7 years, 10 months ago

Thanks, Ryan. Glad to help. You're not the first person who's asked about the UAB thing but I haven't had time to check into it yet. I will, though. It's an interesting thought for sure…. And a sad deal for that school and program.

Ashwin Rao 7 years, 10 months ago

Their coach will also be available for firesale price... and he has had a great career so far (albeit in a lower tier).

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 10 months ago

Sounds like Bowen and Beatty would work well together. My hope is ths t he'd stay a very long time. Also we absolutely need to get the trench warfare right.

Michael Stambaugh 7 years, 10 months ago


I'd like to preface this question by saying I'm not advocating it, but just curious. Since somebody brought up UAB, has Bill Clark's name been heard at all, given recent turn of events?

He was great at Jax State and that's a pretty solid one-year turnaround at UAB, plus obviously there my be some talent willing to transfer in if they get direct transfer exemption from Indianapolis.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 10 months ago

Can we get all three Beck Beatty Bowen? They could rotate and in years they're not hc they could be on the hc scout team.

Sae Thirtysix 7 years, 10 months ago

Good call Randy, throw in Warinner - go with four.

                    Beatty, Beck, Bowen & Warinner (sounds like a law firm)

. . . just for fun then a rando VaTech special teamer (Beamer disciple) as clerk

Calvin Miller 7 years, 10 months ago

Beaty is recruiting 4 and 5 players at a program that was recruiting the same caliber players before he arrived at Texas A & M.
"an absolute bad-a** bulldog" ??? Where was the out-thinking on Bowen's defenses over the last 2-3 years. IF you can't get it done as a coordinator, you won't get it done as a HC.
Please name a winning HC who was an average or worse coordinator. Doesn't exist in recent college football. Tenacity wins in HS or D3 or maybe in FCS. In FBS you'd better be able to develop players and outscheme the opponent.

Cody Riedy 7 years, 10 months ago

I'm not going to argue that Bowen has been a great DC, but at the same, evaluating his body of work has to be done in context. First, we've all seen in the past few seasons how much our totally incompetent offense has put our defense on the field and under pressure. Second, Bowen has been coaching the doormat team in a league known for its offensive fire-power. When the best teams in the league play each other, they are shootouts more than defensive shutouts. In fact, I'm not saying this is a fact, but its possible that Bowen's dedication to KU has sandbagged his career because he's spent his career coaching an inferior team against, the best innovative Offenses in the country. Perhaps, people on here are right in that Bowen should go coach somewhere else and get experience - he might actually be doing himself a favor.

Calvin Miller 7 years, 10 months ago

What's your basis for the improved defenses? Bowen has never had a defense ranked higher than 75th nationally (out of 120 teams in FBS in 2008). His current defense is ranked between 90 and 110 out of 125 current FBS teams. Difficult to support a coach with less than average results to be a HC.

Ray Winger 7 years, 10 months ago

You are focused and on target! We just had a guy, Weis, that brought us 5 star players, 4 star players. That wasn't enough. I always thought that Weis liked the handsome players, not the 'Feisty, cantankerous, quiet fighters, like Cummings. Would Beaty stay if success brought offers? We need Frank Beamer kind of situation, Mangino complemented the 'Beamer Model of Virginia.

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 10 months ago

What 4 and 5 star players did Weiss bring in? The few I can think of were transfers who were 4 and 5 star players before their play in D1 was a big disappointment. I can't argue with some of your points, but Weiss was no top notch recruiter, I'd argue he was a lazy recruiter.

Michael Maris 7 years, 10 months ago

Article in the Wichita Eagle this morning and some thoughts from former coach Glen Mason.

University of Kansas truly dropped the ball back in the late '80's and early '90's. And, the officials at Kansas State listened to what their coach was looking for and desired. And, look where the 2 Universities are setting today in respects to their football programs.

Time to step up and invest in the program (not just from a coaching prospective either). The whole program from the Stadium to all the little things. Otherwise, we all will be setting here in 2 or 3 more years talking about this same situation. And, I don't believe that the AD will lose his Basketball coach (this time around) due to the Football Assistant Coaches getting an increase in pay.

Back in the mid '80's Wichita State had a football team that won more games than the Wildcats and Jayhawks did together. Yet, Lew Perkins and Warren Armstrong shut down that program. WSU's problem, they weren't in a FOOTBALL League. Why do you think U. of Tulsa left the Missouri Valley. So, what are you going to do BGL, all of the $$$$$$$ Donor's to the Athletic Department, etc.........?

TIME TO STOP PLAYING HIDE AND SEEK. AND, STEP UP TO THE PLATE. Otherwise, this will forever be a continuing problem.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 10 months ago

Interesting article and comments by Glen Mason. It got me thinking: What is Glen Mason doing? I know he's about 62yrs old. I wonder if Zenger asked him...?

Waylon Cook 7 years, 10 months ago

KU has always screwed over the football program and 2007 still outshines anything the old man has done. Its like KSU doesn't remember the Ron Prince experiment.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

Maybe instead of paying a consultant to find a coach we should hire consultants to study why it’s so difficult to when at Kansas. Hiring a good head coach is the obvious answer but I think it goes deeper than that.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 10 months ago

There's 3 main reasons why it's hard to win at KU.

  1. The local recruiting pool isn't large enough to support 1, let alone 2 FBS programs.

  2. The athletic department has historically favored basketball over football which means that KU has historically never been appealing to good coaches.

  3. Donor apathy. The high value donors at KU don't care enough about football even when successful to make significant improvements. KU tried to build more suites on the east of the stadium after the Orange Bowl and still couldn't raise the funds for it.

Bryan Mohr 7 years, 10 months ago

Why was Gill hired? People thought he could get great recruits. Why was Weis hired? People thought he could lure 4 and 5 star recruits. What is the primary appeal of Beaty? Hopes of Texas recruits.

K-State went this route with Ron Prince (thinking he could excel in recruiting). It failed. Snyder wins primarily because of his coaching ability. KU should not hire someone based on recruiting ties, but excellence in coaching. Beaty is a risk. Considering the last 4 years I'm surprised KU is considering another candidate that doesn't have a proven W-L% as head coach.

Waylon Cook 7 years, 10 months ago

Gill was hired because Lew botched the Grand Slam and figured that since the media had tried and make Gill better than he was that it would hide the disaster Lew caused with Mangino.

Weis was hired because well if anyone has an answer please let us know. Hindsight isn't 20/20 on this everyone knew Charlie SUCKED.

As witnessed against TCU even with less than stellar recruits most everything is even as far as talent wise(yes big top schools have big top playmakers) but coaching is key, Hell we have sucked on the oline for so long can we lure Wickline away from Texas? I mean if we are going the assistant route?

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 10 months ago

Don't get me wrong, I'd be fine with Beatty, but isn't the last guy we hired with all those Texas recruting ties coaching at Liberty right now? "Recruiting, recruiting, recruiting!" He's got to bring more to the table than that...I'm not saying he doesn't, but at this point I want to see to believe!

Lance Cheney 7 years, 10 months ago

It's easy to get recruits to come in when you tell them they don't have to go to class, or can show up late to weight training, or do anything they don't want to, a la Turner Gill.

Kevin Robert Fest 7 years, 10 months ago

Regardless of who is chosen as HC this team will not be very good next year with over 20 seniors leaving and a thin crop of underclassmen coming up its going to be a struggle. Beatty is a great recruiter at TAM I could recruit there how hard is it to sell a sucessful program with a proven head coach in the SEC to recruits. TAM could get the same recruits even if Beatty wasn't the lead recruiter. Can he sell KU to a recruit? Can he sell a watered down BiG 12 over the SEC? Can he sell an abismal program with an unproven head coach (him) to recruits? Sure the same schlock that would come to KU over offers from Mizz St and Fordam will come because KU would be the only big offer. Regardless dark days are ahead.

Bryan Mohr 7 years, 10 months ago

As for the "next Art Briles" reference... Mangino beat Briles 42-13 in the Fort Worth bowl in 2005. But still people say, "Mangino couldn't recruit". That would only prove that Mangino's coaching defeated Art Briles' Texas recruiting while at Houston. I'd rather see Mangino back at KU before Beaty, Bowen, or Fuente. Most likely I'm going to be disappointed because my vote is for Pelini or Mangino.

Waylon Cook 7 years, 10 months ago

My friend was on the staff at the time of the Fort Worth Bowl. He said Mangino's pregame speech was something like "we are going to kick the crap out of the CUSA crap" lol! GOTTA LOVE MANGINO!

Jim Stauffer 7 years, 10 months ago

The fact about recruiting is the players will come if you can win. Once you begin to win it becomes much more important to be able to climb to the next level. No question about that. But to go from where KU is to the middle of the pack in the conference the single most important thing missing has been day to day development of players.

KSU does not have a significant advantage in talent. They simply don't waste the guys they bring in. Every player is developed as closely to his potential as he can be. KU has had guys on campus with boatloads of talent who never produced a bit.

It's all about coaching. Improving facilities comes when the coaching improves and we win some games. All of this requires a guy who will do the little things each day believing in the product it will develop.

I am pretty sure Bowen and Fritz can do this based on what I have observed in both. I am not as sure about Beaty. I will, however, support the man Zenger hires.

Andy Tweedy 7 years, 10 months ago

That is a good point! I was on the Hill when Mason was hired, that dude could really coach up a team. And he'd be exhibit one on why Bowen DOES bring one really attractive attribute to the search. If he did work out, it would be his destination job. I absolutely loved Glen Mason, but it seemed like he was using KU office supplies to send out his resume to Ohio State from day 1! That nonsense with Georgia was a disaster...

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

If you're against Bowen for his lack of experience you should be against Beaty for the same reason. Beaty sounds like a quick fix. I'd rather have Bowen but I too will support whoever Zenger hires.

Doug Cramer 7 years, 10 months ago

Beaty has proven success...Bowen does not. Thats what I'm mainly looking at.

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 10 months ago

Define proven success Doug in regards to David Beaty.

Michael Lorraine 7 years, 10 months ago

He’s basically a position coach with one year as an OC in Conference USA.

Waylon Cook 7 years, 10 months ago

So if this hire doesn't work out is Zenger ever going to feel heat?

Calvin Miller 7 years, 10 months ago

Zenger knows his continued employment by KU depends on the right choice for KU. More of the same with KU football at the end of the next 2 years, and Zenger will be gone.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 10 months ago

Some good posts on here this morning. As far as turning s program around of all the names tossed around Kill is the man who's done it. He's a Kansas boy. He's a head coach. The way I see it Zenger has two safe choices, Bowen or Jerry Kill. I like Warriner and Beaty but as some of have pointed out no hc experience and no experience turning a program around.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 10 months ago

Would Glen Mason consider it, at age 62...?

Aaron Paisley 7 years, 10 months ago

Jerry Kill is not leaving Minnesota. If he does, it'll be to Nebraska because he is their top choice and all of his recruiting ties are in Big 10 territory.

Erich Hartmann 7 years, 10 months ago

Warning to KU fans: Rebuild ahead! Lose 21 seniors, many starters. Some of their inability to get it done (before some of you slam the seniors) is that our worst units are in the trenches (Oline, Dline), as well as special teams, which is still really bad. We lost the OkieSt and TCU games due to special teams allowing a gift return TD in each game.

BIGGER WARNING: This turnaround will be at least a 3year project. I wouldnt waste time expecting a bowl game until at least 3 seasons from now. Its fine to hope and see what pans out each season, but until we get more line-talent in here, we cannot have a reliable product.

As much as it hurt to lose to TCU, I thought getting shutout 23-0 by a struggling TX team in disarray was worse. You can spin some positives for about 6 days after the TCU loss. But there is no positives from the TX loss.

Robert Brown 7 years, 10 months ago

Not sure why UT game is relevent. Weis was still coach and Cozaet was still QB.

Lance Cheney 7 years, 10 months ago

It may be looking like Justin Fuente is off the market, as he is close to finalizing an extension with Memphis: (You'll have to scroll down to yesterday's updates.)

Memphis: Athletic director Tom Bowen confirms the school is close to a new deal with head coach Justin Fuente, saying in a statement, “Our administration has been working proactively with Coach Fuente and his representatives on a new contract for several weeks. He has been vey engaged and deeply appreciative throughout the process. We are very close to finalizing an agreement and look forward to making a formal announcement at an appropriate time. Dr. Rudd and I are both extremely excited about continuing to build the Memphis Football program under Fuente’s leadership."

Joe Joseph 7 years, 10 months ago

Why does everyone keep referring to next season as a "rebuilding year," and that it's going to be a "3-year project." Like they're trying to temper expectations, or something.

KU has won, what, three conference games in the past 5 seasons? Never having finished one of those with more than 3 wins total?

The past five years have been a giant "rebuilding year," that, unfortunately, hasn't rebuilt anything.

Waylon Cook 7 years, 10 months ago

does he want to be a head coach? UT got better because of him and Okie Light got worse. Plus he and Gundy are feuding and anyone who feuds with Gundy gets a Christmas card from me!

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 10 months ago

Interesting. Is he calling plays or not? Can't believe Okie state is suing him. Sounds like a version of Warriner though. And we need line improvement.

Randy Bombardier 7 years, 10 months ago

He's most likely already done this. I'd bet that he asked the question ir similar ones before Clint was named the interim. Sure hope so. Whoever he hires is gonna need five years to get us to respectability. Hope Zenger has more patience this time.

Allison Steen 7 years, 10 months ago

Not that I know he's said anything to Zenger personally, but campo did give his thumbs up to Bowen a few weeks ago. Very publicly

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