Realignment Today: 4:17 - KU AD Zenger releases statement as all signs point to Mizzou exit from Big 12


4:17 p.m. Update:

The following statement from KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger was released a few minutes ago.

“KU-Missouri is a great rivalry. The University of Kansas is a great Midwestern school, loyal to our Midwestern conference and to our Midwestern roots. The KU-Missouri rivalry belongs in the Big 12 Conference. Should Missouri decide to leave the Big 12, we would wish them well.”

Couple of things:

  1. Notice there's nothing in there about continuing to play the Tigers. In fact, if you read into it you'll see that his stance that the KU-MU rivalry belongs in the Big 12 could mean this: You leave, we're done.

  2. Notice that Zenger continues to push the Big 12 and KU's place in it. The guy and this university have been loyal to the league from minute one. They'll continue to be loyal from here on out.

  3. Notice the emphasis on the Midwest. Missouri is not south or east.

All subtle statements, for sure, but it's clear that there will be no love lost between KU and MU if the Tigers leave.

That said, some sources continue to suggest that the Tigers did what they did to day in an attempt to get a better offer from the Big 12 Conference. It's not a bad move, but if they think for a second that the league is going to treat them the way it treated Texas, and to a lesser extent OU, when they threatened to leave, the folks at MU are kidding themselves.

Stay tuned...

3:17 p.m. Update:

Here's a good recap of what went on today from Dave Matter of the Columbia Tribune.

Still working the phones to get more reaction, statements, if anyone else is interested in speaking today.

Stay tuned...

2:24 p.m. Update:

Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas released the following statement regarding Mizzou's "action" today:

"We look forward to discussing Missouri's future with the Big 12 Conference. The school has been involved with the Big 12 and its predecessor conferences since 1907. It is propitious that the Big 12 Board of Directors has a regularly scheduled meeting on Monday. Obviously, Conference membership will be thoroughly discussed at that time."

For those, like me, who aren't sure what propitious means, here's the first definition from [pruh-Pish-uhs] adj., presenting favorable conditions; favorable.

Sounds like Neinas believes the meeting comes at a good time.

Stay tuned...

2:03 p.m. Update:

Before I jump in, here's a quick recap from the Associated Press regarding Missouri's startling announcement today that sounded an awful lot like the one they made a couple of weeks ago.

This is what the realignment saga has become in the Big 12. Everyone else is all-in and on board, but the Tigers continue to drag their feet. I'm sure they have their reasons. Again, moving to a different conference is not something that should be done overnight or without serious thought. But this is bordering on the ridiculous now.

Since the announcement, which came around 12:30 p.m. today, I've tried to track down some reaction from around the Big 12. The general consensus among those I've talked to is this: We're tired of Missouri's drama and we're ready for them to make a decision. If that means they're gone, we'll live.

Here's the AP report:

Kansas City, Mo. — The governing board of the University of Missouri has given its chancellor the authority to move the school out of the Big 12 Conference if that's what the school decides to do.

Chancellor Brady Deaton was given the authority following a two-day Board of Curators meeting that wrapped up Friday.

Missouri remains in the Big 12 and Deaton said discussions about alignment are ongoing. He says a "decision will be undertaken expeditiously."

Missouri is believed to want to leave for the Southeastern Conference. The Big 12 already has lost Nebraska and Colorado and will lose Texas A&M next year when TCU joins.

That's not all that was said today, though. And it's the other language that seems to indicate the Tigers just tipped their hand.

In addition to giving Deaton the authority to act — again — MU's curators announced that they have given Deaton the authority to explore the idea of playing a mid-season college basketball tournament to be played in Kansas City and an annual football game at Arrowhead Stadium against a regional rival.

Sounds an awful lot like the Tigers trying to save face with the folks in KC on their way out the door to me. Also sounds like that "regional rival" reference points to KU. Just as KU men's basketball coach Bill Self said a couple of weeks ago, sources have told me that if MU leaves the Border War rivalry would likely be dead. At least for a while.

More reaction to come throughout the day.

Stay tuned...


texashawk10 11 years, 1 month ago

Says the person who wants a school that can barely draw 2,000 people to a football game in the Big 12.

texashawk10 11 years, 1 month ago

If that's what you want to believe then run with it.

tominkc 11 years, 1 month ago

Wish they'd just go already. This is getting old. I'll be sad to lose the Border War, but I hope Zenger hits the "ignore" button when Alden calls about scheduling. It was MU's choice to leave.

Mark Elzea 11 years, 1 month ago

Assuming Mizzou leaves for the SEC, and further assuming KU won't schedule a football game with Mizzou for a span of years, the most logical "regional power" for them to schedule at Arrowhead would be Nebraska. I can't think of another regional school that could attempt to fill Arrowhead (with the exception, I suppose, of K-State, but I would see Bill Snyder running from playing a non-con game against an "SEC" team - there's not even a direction in Mizzou's name!).

Mark Elzea 11 years, 1 month ago

The only reason they would do so is political: throw a bone to Kansas City.

DanHogan95 11 years, 1 month ago

Do we know that this isn't a process imposed by the SEC?

LSHawk 11 years, 1 month ago

In no way should KU EVER play MU again if they leave the Big 12. The KC thing is just a face saving thing. KU should go 1 better and offer in-state tuition to anyone in any county that boders Missouri.

LSHawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Sorry, meant to write any missouri county that borders KANSAS.

Kyle Sybesma 11 years, 1 month ago

Sounds like Missery wants the Big 12 to beg them to stay like they mean something to us. They're like the bad roomate threatening to move out. Just leave already.

billswinners 11 years, 1 month ago

Be gone Mizzou. Good ridence to bad rubbish.

Brian Skelly 11 years, 1 month ago

To me the $$$ involved with the football game at Camarohead Stadium tells me that no more than a few years would pass by that the KU/MU game would once again be played. I get everyone's $@#%@ off about this, but at the end of the day, $$$ still rules the roost. I do think it wont have nearly the cache, but thats the way the cookie crumbles. Instead of an Thanksgiving game, make it the opener every year. You cant tell me they couldnt turn that into a big event?

Im less convinced a hoops game(s) make sense. Not just in terms of scale, but in terms of relevance. But pretending that it couldnt bank serious $$$ for both schools (especially during the holiday season) is silly. Mizzou plays Illinois annually the week before Christmas in St. Louis. There's no rivalry in any sense other than that day. But my guess is both schools profit handsomely from it, otherwise they wouldnt keep on doing it. Its been going on for decades now too.

I think once cooler heads prevail, both schools will still see something to gain out of it.

Question is, how long will that take?

Thomas Young 11 years, 1 month ago

I really don't think the Border War is going to be all that profitable once it is no longer a conference game. It only got big when Kansas and Mizzou stumbled upon good teams at the same time.

It's already less of a draw, and if it had no conference implications, no one would care.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

The annual border war games, in FB and BB, will recommence about 5 years from now. Makes to much sense, financially, not to play each other. The games could be played in Lawrence, Columbia, or KC. My hunch---in KC.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

The annual border war games, in FB and BB, will recommence about 5 years from now. Makes to much sense, financially, not to play each other. The games could be played in Lawrence, Columbia, or KC. My hunch---in KC.

Eric Dawson 11 years, 1 month ago

You miss one argument completely, and effectively undermine the other with your own argument.

FB: "I do think it wont have nearly the cache[sic]" -- which is exactly why the Arrowhead game with MU won't be continued. If the cachet is not there, the TV guys aren't there to fund it, so the $ won't be there, either. It only became the big $$ game it was because of 2007, it hasn't been the same since, and won't be the same in the future when Moo's Texas FB recruits dry up (thanks in advance for the extra 5-10 TX players, Moo!)

For hoops, the money is simply not there. Self has already publicly noted that KU nets ~$500K for an AFH game, but would have to evenly split roughly $600K with Moo for a Sprint Center game. The only benefit from KU playing such a game is to recruiting for Moo's mediocre hoops program, so KU has no incentive to schedule them.

davidsmom 11 years, 1 month ago

I hate to say it but I think while in the SEC Missouri will recruit Texas better than people think right now, because the SEC has Texas A&M now. That pretty much opens up Texas for the SEC.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

I also hate to say it, but I think you're probably right. Another thing: Mizzou might now be able to land top recruits from Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio who want to play in the top FB league, the SEC, without having to attend a Dixie school.

d_prowess 11 years, 1 month ago

Tait, someone on another site brought up the contract for the Arrowhead game is between MU and KU (not the B12) and that is still has 2 years left on it. It would be interesting to hear someone from KU or MU comment on what the fallout would be from breaking such a contract if MU leaves. Maybe something to chase down in your free time.

Matt Tait 11 years, 1 month ago

There's a lot still up in the air right now... Remember, though, Neinas seems to think that, no matter what MU's decision is, the Tigers will be in the Big 12 next year.

If that's the case, this year's game and next year's game would take that contract to its end.

You know how these things go, though.... Just because Neinas thinks they may be in the league next year doesn't mean they will. No way Missouri would want to stay in it as a lame-duck school for one more year, and it's unlikely the rest of the league would even want them to.

The focus now shifts back to where it's always been: Money and politics will decide how the Tigers leave town.

Thanks for the tip, though... I'll look into it a little more.

trey 11 years, 1 month ago

Matt, be serious... How can the Big12 force MU to play in Big12 next year and not A&M.

This is Chuck Neinas either 1) showing a great deal of naivity, or 2) reminding MU that if they leave next year, they should be ready to pay a hefty exit fee.

MU is NOT going to be in Big12 next year. No chance.

And it seems to me that Texas and OU are NOT committed to Big12 long-term. The gives so far are modest at best.

Matt Tait 11 years, 1 month ago

The big difference here is the timing of it all. A&M got out in, what, August? Two months ago? We're a lot closer to next year today than we were when A&M decided to bolt and that could make it more difficult for MU to get out right away.

Remember, Syracuse and Pitt are stuck in the Big East for 27 months.

That said, I'm sure they'll find a way around it if they are, in fact, leaving. I'm just saying, the Big 12, should it feel inclined, could make it awfully difficult and awfully awkward.

To be continued...

justinryman 11 years, 1 month ago

Here we go again................................

Not sure about my feelings here. Love the "Border war", hate MU. So if they stay I get the border war, if they leave....I don't have to put up with MU folks anymore.


Na na na na, na na na na, Hey hey hey good bye!

Rock Chalk Jayhawk. KU!

kesmithstl1 11 years, 1 month ago

After my initial, "well obviously they are gone" reaction to today's events, I'm beginning to think this could be Missouri just playing poker with a bad hand. Why else would they say they are looking to continue to play in KC, but not come right out and say they are leaving? It's like a bad poker player who shoves all his chips in with pocket 3's, while looking at Doyle Brunson on the other side of the table.

Thomas Young 11 years, 1 month ago

I think it is safe to say that Mizzou is regretting how poorly this move will reflect on them in the KC market. And the SEC would appreciate Mizzou not torching that market on their way out.

Rob Keeney 11 years, 1 month ago

Better to push all in with pocket 3s than to get re-raised all in by Doyle.

justinryman 11 years, 1 month ago

Apparently someone lacking in knowledge trying to look highly educated by talking down to people.

James McGuire 11 years, 1 month ago

A propitious opportunity presented itself.

ejlumus 11 years, 1 month ago

Exactly ..... mizzery morons leaving and the Big12 collecting $30M.

That sounds favorable to me!

Ludwig Supraphonic 11 years, 1 month ago

The first time and probably the last that MU athletics has the national stage. The moment a firm decision is made they restore their anonymity. Mizzery: from irrelevance to mediocrity and beyond.

Jake Powell 11 years, 1 month ago

To: Failed University between Kansas and Illinois

You are the in-laws that never leave. G-E-T O-U-T

trey 11 years, 1 month ago

Honestly, to me this Chuck Neinas has been totally underwehlming. What has he done...

Equal revenue sharing on Tier1 (Tier 2 already equal)... That's a minimal give. Will cost Texas, OU and yes KU, approx. 1-2M per year.

Texas to not show HS highlights on LHN... Hmmm, they don't even have anyone watching the network as few providers have even picked it up.

Schools agree to 6 year grant of rights... THIS TO ME IS BIGGEST SIGN THAT BIG12 STILL UNSTABLE. Six years is not very much. Tells me that Texas and OU don't want long-term commit to Big12; they'll be shopping other conferences is three years.

Added TCU to replace A&M.... I like the add, but don't kid yourself, the Big12 lost in that trade.

I can't stand MU and hope we never play them again. That said, it's bad for KU that MU is leaving (and on many fronts). Bottom line... we are in a much weaker conference than we used to be, and our KU leaders appear powerless to do anything about it. We just keep saluting the grand old Big12 and the power broker Texas.

rob4lb 11 years, 1 month ago

Agree. I keep hearing that MU wants 13 yr rights commitment and some other minor considerations like bowl slotting and possibly going to 12 teams. If that is the case and all that is keeping them from staying, then they are not the villain. I think KU fans are jealous because they don't have the same option as MU.

Andy Tweedy 11 years, 1 month ago

I'm not jealous! I'd love to have options, but not the SEC! We'd get killed in football and the basketball sucks in the SEC. From a fans perspective, I don't give a rats ass about the money. As long as we're in a BCS conference, the money will be sufficient.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

Agreed. Mizzou is leaving. When that's finally public, that will remove one barrier to the league attracting new quality members. Three other barriers will still remain. First, new invitees must be convinced that OU and UT are long-term commited. Given all that's happened, 6 years isn't enough. Second, invitees must be convinced we are going back to 12 soon, and 16 soon thereafter. Third, the revenue sharing rules are probably still viewed as unfair. We better stop twideling our thumbs.

Sam Constance 11 years, 1 month ago

You think a 6-year grant of rights means OU/Texas will be shopping around in three years?

So you really think that those two schools are happy to hand over three years worth of TV revenue to a conference in which they won't even be playing? Are you serious with that sh*t?

To me, the 6-year grant says that the Big 12 wants a long enough commitment to stabilize the yearly "grass is greener" circus, but not lock themselves in for so long that they aren't nimble enough to adapt if any major, nation-wide conference re-shuffling ever comes to pass (it won't).

Six years is a long time. Any period much longer than that is just symbolic nonsense. Six years ago, no one had even sniffed the notion of the crazy shakeup that's been occurring the past two years. Six years ago, Bill Self and KU had lost in the first round of the NCAA tourney for the first time in 30 years, and were still two years away from a national championship.

In response to rob4lb's comment about MU's supposed demands for 13 years instead of 6 and bowl slotting... nothing but posturing. Why is 13 years so much more magical than 6? And bowl slotting is some stupid MU butt-hurt crap leftover from 2007. Just to note, the conference that all the MU fools are in love with doesn't do bowl slotting. The idea that KU is jealous is idiotic.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

Your ideas may very well be correct. That all equates to an obviously shaky B12 conference with a very uncertain future, compared to a very solid, soon to be 14 member SEC conference, which will have no trouble attracting 2 more very strong, compatible, members as #15 and #16. How can we rationally criticize Mizzou for choosing the obvious advantagious path?

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 1 month ago

If we continue to play Mizzou we will be the ones baking, serving, and personally feeding the tigers their cake.

TKHAWK 11 years, 1 month ago

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Tigers! Self has already said he would not feel obligated to schedule them as a non conference foe, and I sure as hell wouldn't waist a non con football game on them. If they think they can ease their conscious for what they will do the the KC economy with one football and one bball game a year, I say F them. Enjoy being bottom of the SEC in both men's football and bball. You'll have epic games with Ole Miss and Miss St. Oh, and don't forget Vandy. Hope that extra money will cover flying the softball team to Gainsville. Peace out!!!

TKHAWK 11 years, 1 month ago

Who's got the phone number for BYU, Louisville, and WV? The Big 12 is back baby!!

trey 11 years, 1 month ago

The model for building a prominent stable conference is not rocket science. It's what the four stable conferences have already done (with couple of exceptions)...

Equal Revenue sharing for Tier1 and Tier2. Conference-wide Network for Tier3 (or regional variations). Large exit fee (or grant of rights). Minimum of 12 members. Conference Championship in football.

If the Big12 had followed this model, none of the other schools would have left and the Big12 would be one of the strongest conference bar-none.

But they didn't. AND... they still aren't. No Big12 network. Only 6 year grant-of-rights (which is short). No commit to 12 members. No conference championship game.

What's the hold up? It's simple... Texas and OU don't want a long-term commitment. They want an option to pursue other conferences before re-upping on Tier1 TV deal that expires in 2016. The out to leave in 2014 or 2015 is very doable by those schools.

This is another band-aid by the Big12.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

All correct. Any potential strong invitee surely sees it the same way. So until those obstacles to entry are removed, don't count on attracting any more B12 caliber members. Removing those obstacles, if possible at all, will I fear occur only after lenghly bickering, posturing, and prevaricating between the big 2 themselves, and between the big 2 vs the little 7 (8). The big 2 are in no hurry to bargain in good faith, either between themselves or, acting jointly, with the little members. The big 2 possess options that the littles dont. The strong potential invitees that most posters on this board identify will quite possibly commit elsewhere before the Big12 cleans up its own house.

d_prowess 11 years, 1 month ago

How much does the vote on Monday by the Big East schools to raise their exit fee from $5mil to $10mil hurt the B12 expansion plans? Also wasn't the Big East commish saying something like he would hold all current schools to the 24 month(?) time limit before they could leave? Does that mean WV or Louisville couldn't join the B12 until 2013 year?

trey 11 years, 1 month ago

I believe the doubled exit fee only goes in effect IF they add 6 teams and get back to 12. So don't think it's an obstacle for Louisville and W Vga if the Big12 acts quickly.

I'm not sure how the Big East can hold their members to 27 months. But if there is no football conference (ie. if Louisville and W Vga leave, they're down to only 4 schools), I doubt they can enforce it.

Eric Dawson 11 years, 1 month ago

Counting Syracuse and Pitt, the Big East currently has 8 BCS FB members and 16 "all other sports" members. The new exit fee increase takes place once any one of the targeted teams the Big East asks agrees to join the conference. I have yet to see where the BEast has formally asked anyone as of today.

The BEast exit time constraint in 27 months, so if all -- Syracuse, Pitt, UL and WVU -- are held to it, we're talking at least 2014 before they play in their new conferences (another reason to get UL and WVU asked and accepted ASAP). But it is likely that if UL and WVU join Syracuse and Pitt in leaving, the BEast -- which will then have only 4 of its current BCS members on board -- will effectively be dead as a BCS conference, further inspiring remaining BCS members Rutgers and UConn to look elsewhere (even more than they are now), and pushing the remaining teams to give in to the departees' requests to leave early just so the revised BEast can get on with its own existence.

GabrielMichael 11 years, 1 month ago

Do not agree to play Missouri in anything! Good riddence! What a bunch of drama queens!

Steve Corder 11 years, 1 month ago

Matt, maybe I've missed it but are the other schools giving MU a deadline to sign a new revenue sharing and exit fee plan?

dhinkansas 11 years, 1 month ago

I think the game at Arrowhead has lost a little bit of it's shine. What was last year's attendance...55,000 I think. Probably will be less this year. I don't care at this point if the Tigers stay or go. The standing around waiting to be asked to dance routine makes their adm. look foolish, but let's just get this deal signed, add some teams and move on. Why would Missouri and Ark. play at Arrowhead? I don't think there's much local interest in Arkansas, and Nebraska would rather play South Dakota St three times than schedule Mizzou.

tpatt 11 years, 1 month ago

This sucks for Kansas City, The Big 12 tourney will now surely move to Dallas. More of the power of the conference to Texas

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

Probably rotate between KC., Okie City, and Dallas if the league stays at 10 members. KU, KSU, and ISU are close to KC. Beyond 6 years from now, there won't be any tournament to rotate.

If the league can quickly get to 12, and then, in due course, to the requisite 16, the league survives. Tournament could be rotated among several sites. Fair enough.

LJD230 11 years, 1 month ago


It ain't the Big 12 and most likely never will be again. The Big 10 is being modest with a conference >10. 9 does NOT equal 12.

Michael Maris 11 years, 1 month ago

Listening to the Mouth of the South on Wednesday (late) afternoon. Paul Finebaum referenced Missouri as the following:

Missouri is like the homely woman at the end of the bar, no one wants anything to do with her.

Now, I'll probably be able to listen to Paul Finebaum here on St. Louis Radio stations without having to listen to him on my phone or sirius/xm account.

Alot of hicks call into that show.

Rob Keeney 11 years, 1 month ago

The average MU fan would fit in nicely with Fbaum's audience. That was hilarious what he said about them. I'm hearing a lot of "Why Missouri? They've never been any good at anything." here in Gamecock country.

Jaminrawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Maybe someone can convince Wyandotte county to create a multipurpose expocenter to attract conventions, tradeshows, concerts and the Big XII Tournament. I know it sounds crazy but the Kansas government has been doing everything it can to attract Missouri businesses across the state line. Who thought we'd have Sporting KC in Wyandotte in 2005? Not me. With Cerner moving in they could sponsor the place too. That would be a big "effyou" to MIZZOU.

TKHAWK 11 years, 1 month ago

That's actually a great thought. I've been so worried about just wanting to keep the Big XII tournament in KC, it never occurred to me, if MU goes SEC, why should the Big XII dump any money into MO economy. Bring the $ to the KANSAS side! I like it!! And you're right, the Dot is hot right now, who would've imagined?

ltownatrain 11 years, 1 month ago

Actually on 810 the other day it was argued that they could possibly look at Wichita as a new location as they now have a brand new 15,000 seat arena themselves. So that could bring the tourney to the kansas side as well not to mention the OK schools would still be on board with it because it makes it closer to them.

Jeff Coffman 11 years, 1 month ago

I almost think it is humorous that they have the rights to pursue hosting a basketball tournament in Kansas City...Um do they anticipate anyone going to that? Keep in mind, KU won't be playing in it through 2018, we are booked with our tournaments.

And if you had Missouri as the anchor of the tournament (like Chaminade for Hawaii), I'm sure that will be huge for recruiting. (Sarcasm is intended), Each year where teams are invited to go play in a tournament, like in Hawaii, Madison Square Garden, Las Vegas...etc. Missouri has committed themselves to the Missouri Invitatational in Kansas City. I'm sure that is great for recruiting.

No offense to Kansas City, but let's admit that for recruiting and tournaments, Kansas City is not the recruiting venue that some of the players will want as their annual tournament (hawaii yes, LV yes, KC as an every year thing...nope).

I know many of you will say well this is a midseason tournament. The NCAA still currently limits the number of tournaments you can have and how many can be international. I don't think that Missouri Basketball will be able to get an exception to that.

texashawk10 11 years, 1 month ago

Missouri is in the CBE this year, the attendance for that will go a long ways in determining whether or not MU hosting a "holiday tournament" is going to be worthwhile. I think what'll more than likely end up happening is that MU will play their annual Sprint Center game the same day KU does the second Saturday in December and it'll be a doubleheader that some local business will sponsor. The KC game for KU is for the alums in KC and Self isn't dumb enough to quit playing the KC game just because Missouri is gone, but he's not going to schedule Missouri to be that game either because KU would lose too much revenue to justify it because Self isn't going to schedule MU just to schedule them.

jaywalkinhawk 11 years, 1 month ago

Missouri is gone. They are just waiting to get the 'paper work' in order. My bet is that the basketball tournament will move to Oklahoma. No way both the football and basketball will be in Texas. KCMO will lose a lot of revenue and I will definitely miss the rivalry, action and fun that the big 12 BB tournament brings.

Missouri is just trying to placate KCMO by setting up the invitation BB tourney and rivalry football game. More along the lines of, "Hey we tried...but Kansas won't play...we are not the bad guys here."

I do hope that Kansas decides not play Missouri anymore, if they leave for the SEC.

As Bill Self was quoted, "But I will say this," Self said. "My interest level would wane if they were no longer in our league.''

I couldn't agree more. Rivalry will be lost.

And to get more to the point paraphrasing Baylor's Coach: ' “So basically [they are] talking about a divorce,” Mulkey said. “And I think I know a little bit about a divorce. And my feeling is this – if a [long standing rival] wants to divorce me and says our relationship has no value to [them], and then [they] asks me if [they] can sleep with me, the answer is: ‘No!’”

domino 11 years, 1 month ago

I loved that quote from Kim Mulkey - she nailed it on the head!!

fancy80 11 years, 1 month ago

After HCBS said he wasn't likely to be interested in playing Misery if they leave, I commented that KU won't be MU's booty call. I wish MU would say they are staying, and the big12 would tell them to pound sand. Good riddance...

Jeff Coffman 11 years, 1 month ago

I've always been curious if the Intrust Bank Center in Wichita is big enough for the Big XII tournament. With the conference headed down the I-35 conference, I could see no location more centrally located. I think OSU is the closest, followed by KSU, OU, than KU (all 4 within 3 hours-driving).

ISU would be happier with that than Dallas.

TCU/BU would probably prefer Dallas and UT and TTU would probably prefer Texas in general.

I just don't know if Intrust is big enough...I guess it seats 17,500 for concerts, but wouldn't know how many it seats for Basketball.

Phoghorn 11 years, 1 month ago

I have thought the same thing. 15K is just a bad number for a new arena. Too big to feel intimate ala Allen Fieldhouse, or KC Municipal Auditorium, but not big enough to hold something major like a NCAA regional. (1st and 2nd round maybe). It seems borderline for a Big 12 tournament, and borderline for a KU "home" game in Wichita.

Build a Quonset style roof over the areana, like The Paige, and add large third decks to the "long" dimensions of the arena/court. Then remove the old roof. That should bump capacity up by 4-5K and bring capacity to around 20K. I can't see why a city of 300K won't fill that arena - especially for tourney games with fans arriving from other cities/states.

Disclaimer - I am not an architect nor do I play one on TV.

(Yes, I know that Allen Fieldhouse which I called intimate seats just over 16K, but building codes have changed since then, and the footprint for the same capacity must be larger now. Wider aisles, seats further back, etc)

ltownatrain 11 years, 1 month ago

My question is 15,000 the capacity for Basketball or is that the capacity without adding seating? Because remember some stadiums are made with a larger floor to accomodate different types of events and they can usually add seats if needed. Any clarification on this would help.

Phoghorn 11 years, 1 month ago

Good point, that 15K might be for hockey - will need to investigate.

texashawk10 11 years, 1 month ago

15,000 for basketball 13,850 for hockey

texashawk10 11 years, 1 month ago

15,000 is big enough to host first and second round games. There's been quite a few arenas smaller than Intrust that have hosted first and second round games.

McKale Center, Tuscon, AZ: 14,545 (2011) Dunkin' Donuts Center, Providence, RI: 13,106 (2010) Jacksonville Veterans Memorial Arena: 15,000 (2010) Spokane Veterans Memorial Arena: 12,210 (2010, 2007) Taco Bell Arena, Boise, ID: 12,380 (2009) University of Dayton Arena: 13,455 (2009) Lawrence Joel Veterans Memorial Colesium, Winston-Salem, NC: 14,665 (2007)

Wichita is bigger Spokane and Winston-Salem and about the same size as Boise so although it would be one of the smaller cities and arenas to host NCAA tournament games, it wouldn't be the smallest in either category. The biggest obstacle to Wichita hosting NCAA tournament games, and why they didn't get selected to host games in 2011, 2012, or 2013 is that Wichita doesn't have the hotel capacity to handle an NCAA tournament crowd. If Wichita builds some more hotels, then they should be able to host games in the future.

Vernon Riggs 11 years, 1 month ago

Wichita is a great Big12 Town. Wildcat and Jayhawk split fairly equally in the city. Even OU has a Wichita radio station playing OU football as part of their Radio Network. Intrust Arena would be a great host for the Men's Basketball Tournament. However there isn't a second arena close enough to play the Women's Tournament. OKC has Ford and Cox within walking distance of each other. Tulsa has BOK and Tulsa Convention Center (where Tulsa University used to play basketball that seats 7k). Dallas, Houston or San Antonio do not have two arenas close enough to play two tournment at the same time. Part of the great fun of the Big12 Tournment is to attend both the Men's and Women's games.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 1 month ago

If I remember correctly the NCAA toured the arena and said "thanks, but no thanks."

Phoghorn 11 years, 1 month ago

I will miss our wins at The Paige, but I am even happier to remove Miss Who's only reason for a sellout.

No more football either. Not in Lawrence, Not in Columbia, Not in KC, Not anywhere unless it is a bowl game.

No more KU-MU baseball at Kaufman Stadium.

No more KU-MU WBB at Municipal Auditorium.

Bye-bye A...A...A...Antlers, yes that is right, Antlers.

Benjamin Piehler 11 years, 1 month ago

Only reason MIzzou suggested a game in KC is that it puts KU in the hotseat. If we decline to play them, they can still leave and point their finger at us for any losses in the KC economy.

On a lighter note, here is a link to a KU fan at the "Occupy Denver" rally screaming his support... its pretty funny. "Missouri has no championships of any kind!"

kureader 11 years, 1 month ago

Exactly. Their statements about wanting to continue playing basketball and football in Kansas City is a political one.

Jack Wilson 11 years, 1 month ago

This is terrific news. MU to SEC. Awesome. Love it. Makes cultural sense for MU. More Arkansas than Iowa, I heard someone say.

Add BYU, West Virginia, and Louisville, and we have a much better basketball conference than before Nebraska and Colorado left. All three are better in hoops than MU and A&M (and Colorado/Nebraska). TCU, hoops-wise, is weak. Total package is better.

All that matters is KU hoops. This will help our league. And the moves will bring stability. Again, good for KU hoops.

The Big 12, though, can't let MU hold up the train due to their selfish desires. We need to move aggressively, now, and move on.

Hammertoe 11 years, 1 month ago

All KU fans care about is one sport, men's basketball. KU needs to improve and upgrade all their sports if they want to play with the big boys...

Sam Constance 11 years, 1 month ago

KU already plays "with the big boys"

Or hadn't you heard--nationally recognized brand and 3rd overall in revenue intake in the Big 12.

When you are THIS GOOD in one sport, that's all you need to be one of the "big boys".

Pitthawk34 11 years, 1 month ago

I disagree, I feel his statement was right on... Respectful but direct.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

Agreed. Best statement I've heard from him. Of course, the Chancellor probably reviewed and massaged it before it was released.

Hammertoe 11 years, 1 month ago

The Big 12 still has "issues". 4 out of 12 members leaving the conference is a problem. Replacing Mizzou with Louisville or BYU, TCU for A & M....not good trades from a national perspective, Mizzou will leave with smile on their face and more money in their wallet. Their fans outside the KC area are all in favor of the SEC. Mizzou will probably compete better in the SEC in most sports other than football. The students, players and fans will be excited. When the official announcement is released, expect a one helluva a parade and party in Columbia. The Border War rivalry will fade into the sunset while Mizzou starts new rivalries in a new conference. Time to move on and wish them well....

ltownatrain 11 years, 1 month ago

Everyone is saying more money for them, however, SEC schools only get 18 million a year for football and yes I know adding two new markets will gt them a little leverage but I can't imagine that they will get too much of a bigger payout going to the SEC. Not to mention to compete in SEC they will have to spend significantly more than they do now so it kinda makes the more money argument a mute point.

Hank Cross 11 years, 1 month ago

BYU has a vastly more national brand than MU. It's not even close. MU is regional at best.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

Annual Border War, in FB & BB, will resume 5 or 6 from now after all the current wounds begin healing, IF there's still a strong OU and UT anchored Big 16 league to which KU belongs.

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 1 month ago

Now is a good time for all of us to go back and read the article where sheahoRn talked about the biggest sporting event he had been involved in was the MVC basketball tournament.

Fire sheahoRn!

ahpersecoachingexperience 11 years, 1 month ago

The "R" was added after he allowed us to be the second game on the longhorn network.

johnnyphoton 11 years, 1 month ago

A nurse named Shea with a "loose" reputation.

ejlumus 11 years, 1 month ago


ejlumus 11 years, 1 month ago

working in mizzoura at one of the country labs????

Steve Hillyer 11 years, 1 month ago

I for one I'm tired of Zenger's we're loyal to the Big 12 junk, this is a dying conference, he has six years to improve and upgrade this athletic dept. Other than men's basketball we are not competitive in any sport, if we want to insure our place in an AQ conference when the Big 12 finally passes we need to improve our teams and I can think of at least three coaches that should be handed the pink slips.

pepper_bar 11 years, 1 month ago

Come on, Matt. The KU-MU rivalry will continue, KU needs the money.

Ted Adams 11 years, 1 month ago

WRONG! KU already makes quite a bit more money from TV than MU, and KU isn't about to help MU out of the hole they would dig for themselves by leaving. MU is going to have to pay the piper (Big12) big time to leave. It will affect their athletic budget for 2-3 years. Why would KU help them out by playing in Arrowhead so MU can get $1.5mill guaranteed from that? A game in Sprint Center would do nothing for KU financially. KU makes more from a game at Allen Fieldhouse. MU would come out the better for that MBB game.

The only way I'm playing MU in anything is on KU's terms, and at this point, I don't see any terms that KU can work with.

Pbbut 11 years, 1 month ago

I've heard that one of the requirements for Missouri joining the SEC is that they are assigned to the East Division so Alabama-Auburn will be able to meet annually. (Sounds like someone is interested in maintaining history and tradition.) That would put Mizzou in a division with Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and Tennessee.
Has anyone else heard that?

Eric Dawson 11 years, 1 month ago

That's the talk. Initial talks had Auburn moving to the East so Moo could be in the West. Reportedly this bothered Alabama on two fronts.

  1. Only one cross-divisional rivalry (playing a game every year despite being in different divisions) is allowed in the SEC. Alabama would have to choose between playing Tennessee or Auburn, and it wanted to be able to play them both every year. Word is that if the 9 votes had originally been there, Alabama would have opted to keep its annual game with Tennessee, but that apparently is no longer a concern as Moo doesn't care where its bed is as long as it's in the SEC's bedroom.

  2. Alabama didn't want Auburn moving to the East and potentially improving its recruiting prospects in the more populous eastern states of Florida and Georgia.

Still, it will be interesting to see if there are still any issues in the SEC itself now that Moo is on what should otherwise be a glide path to leave.

It would be a major embarrassment to Moo if it applied and the SEC voted and didn't have the necessary 9 of 12 majority needed to accept the school that is asking to join "what's left" instead of its preferred B1G target.

DallasJayhawk1 11 years, 1 month ago

1) Mizzery is trying to play the OU game to get more of the pie 2) SEC does not want them 3) They are idiots

texashawk10 11 years, 1 month ago

This explains what the real reason is behind the Big 12 going from 12 to 10 teams. Damn you EcoKat and your environmental protection policies.

Ted Adams 11 years, 1 month ago

I still think that MU might be playing the "expand to 12 or we're gone" card. It's the best option for them to have a shot at a BCS game or even a slim chance at a National Championship if they accidentally knock off the South winner.

ejlumus 11 years, 1 month ago

Big 12 will expand after mizzery leaves.

Sam Constance 11 years, 1 month ago

I love the fact that the first time Zenger makes a public statement of any weight, it's to basically point to the writing on the wall:

No MU, we're not going to throw you a bone and help your recruiting and revenue generation if you decide to leave.

I've said all along--ideally I'd like MU to stay in the Big 12 and preserve the history and rivalry. But the longer they do this dance, the less interested I am in having them stay.

Side note: I can't believe there are still fools talking about the inevitable demise of the Big 12 and the fact that Texas and OU are "gone" in six years. A LOT can happen in six years. Jeeeezus.

142466 11 years, 1 month ago

OU & UT might be gone in less than 6 years. The league better get back to 12 strong members ASAP, and then add 4 more decent members, getting to 16, for 2 reasons: 1. The more strong members we have, the less likely the big 2 are likely to leave. 2. If we can get to a good 16 team league, the league would likely survive as a BCS league, even if OU and/or UT leave.

xanto 11 years, 1 month ago

Let their name be stricken from all obelisks...henceforth, we shall only refer to "them" as "THE 14TH SCHOOL !!!"

jayhawkox 11 years, 1 month ago

I mean, Missouri was pretty southern on the whole slavery issue, so...

Ozarkace68 11 years, 1 month ago

Does MU have an inkling of an idea of how little sense any of this makes. If the departure from the Big 12 threat weren't enough, the empty concessions of a "holiday tournament" for Kansas City and a football game in Kansas City with a "traditional rival" are laughable.

The "holiday tournament" might be held around Turkey Day and the football game with the "traditional raval" could be a contest with fellow outcast Colorado. They could opt for Nebraska but I doubt if they can beat them.

This is Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

Ben Kliewer 11 years, 1 month ago

Why does everybody seem to think that KU is poor?

pepper_bar 11 years, 1 month ago

The Gridiron Club fiasco exposed the dearth of resources currently available to KUAC.

davidsmom 11 years, 1 month ago

I don't think it was lack of resources that killed the Gridiron Club. If KU football had remained good like it was in 2007-2008, the money might have been raised for the Gridiron Club.

Michael Luby 11 years, 1 month ago

I dont know about you all but this news makes me even more excited for the basketball series between the 2 this year. Lets be honest, football isnt our strong point and if KU can sweet MU this year on the court, then it'll be so sweet. Its like you can leave, we will stomp you on your way out though.

Michael Luby 11 years, 1 month ago

Isnt there a spell check on these things? lol

brgregory 11 years, 1 month ago

Matt, maybe you can clarify this but I was under the impression that the biggest issue MU had with the Big 12 is that it did not go to bat for them in football bowls (2008 Orange Bowl being the tipping point). After the dust settled it was reported that Mizzou does not have a history of traveling well which is why they tend to get snubbed.

If that is the case why would anything change in the SEC?

Vernon Riggs 11 years, 1 month ago

The biggest change is that Mizzou would have no chance of getting the required 6 victories to be Bowl eligible in the SEC. Take the sting out of be snubbed by the Music City Bowl or the New Orleans Bowl.

Martin Shupert 11 years, 1 month ago

Uhhmmm, dude... Your short term memory deficiencies are showing. Nebraska is more guilty of jumping ship than MIZ. No way we play them for years to come. Don't be like this. Think.

BC5 11 years, 1 month ago

I really hope Mizzou leaves and we get WVU, Louisville, and BYU. Three damn good hoops programs and I get to watch everyone in the SEC beat the hell out of Mizzou in football and watch them become the Vanderbilt of the conference. Mizzou leaving is awesome news. I really don't care if we play them. Every time they beat Kansas in basketball, it is the high point of their lives, and watching them be mediocre in everything bores me.

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