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Coaching Search 2011: Day 3, 4:46 p.m. - USM speaks up; Leach to WSU; What's next for KU; Plus, a deeper look at Mark Stoops

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Florida State defensive coordinator Mark Stoops.

Florida State defensive coordinator Mark Stoops. by Associated Press

4:46 p.m. Update:

The folks at Southern Miss seem to be hearing about all of the interest in head football coach Larry Fedora and they're preparing for a battle...

The following has been posted on the USM official site in the AD's Blog section.

http://www.southernmiss.com/genrel/113011aaa.html

Here's the money quote from AD Richard Giannini's blog:

"Larry and I talk everyday and his entire focus and energy is on winning the C-USA Football Championship. After the season is over, Coach Fedora and I will sit down and discuss his future at Southern Miss. We want to assure everyone that Southern Miss will do everything possible to keep Coach Fedora a Golden Eagle."

4:23 p.m. Update:

Just a quick note of interest between phone calls...

I just clicked on an ESPN Insider piece by Brock Huard (yep, the former college QB) and in it he ranked the jobs currently open in college football.

Here was his order:

  1. North Carolina
  2. Arizona State
  3. Illinois
  4. UCLA
  5. Ole Miss
  6. Washington State
  7. Kansas

Just thought this was kind of interesting. Makes sense that he didn't have Tulane or Memphis on the list, but I was kind of surprised to see UNC at the top. Not terribly surprised to see KU at the bottom. It's not the way I'd rank them, but, hey, it's just one opinion.

For what it's worth, here's mine:

  1. Arizona State
  2. Ole Miss
  3. UCLA
  4. Kansas
  5. North Carolina
  6. Illinois
  7. Washington State

Stay tuned...

3:14 p.m. Update:

If the Leach to Washington State reports are true — and it looks like they probably are — all is not lost for the Kansas University football program. Far from it, in fact.

Here's what I know about the candidates who remain. (Reminder: I don't know about all of the candidates on KU's list, as much as I freakin' wish I did!!!)

While KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger is the only person from KU actively involved in the search for the Jayhawks' next head football coach, he's not acting alone. Zenger said earlier today that a private donor has offered to cover expenses for him to use a search consultant on limited basis.

The consultant will essentially function as Zenger's wing man and will be able to peruse Zenger's list, comment on it as he sees fit and even add names for Zenger's consideration.

Again, the ultimate decision-making power resides with Zenger and any move he makes likely would have to be approved by KU chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little. More on that later. But I thought I'd throw that in there now so that you all can see that Zenger has all he needs at his disposal.

Now, on to the nuts and bolts of where the Jayhawks turn from here.

Likely to get an interview:

• Larry Fedora, 49, Southern Miss head coach
• Mark Stoops, 44, Florida State defensive coordinator
• Brent Venables, 40, Oklahoma defensive coordinator

I'm sure there are a couple of others, too... Perhaps names we haven't heard a whole lot about. But, for now, that seems like a good place to start.

I also think that KU still has a great deal of interest in Houston's Kevin Sumlin, but sources have said that Sumlin isn't interested in Kansas.

I know there have to be a couple of other current head coaches (or at least guys who have been head coaches) on that A-List, but I haven't heard who they might be...

Not on the A List but possibly still lurking:

• Sonny Dykes, 42, Louisiana Tech head coach
• Dave Doeren, 39, Northern Illinois head coach
• Troy Calhoun, 45, Air Force head coach

Likely out of the mix:

• Jim Tressel, 58, former Ohio State coach never was in the picture
• Kevin Sumlin, 47, head coach at Houston seems to have more interest in other jobs
• Mike Stoops, 49, former Arizona head coach and Oklahoma assistant

Looking for more names and trying to narrow things down a bit.

Stay tuned...

2:51 p.m. Update:

Lots of reports about an official offer to Leach starting to hit the world wide web... Looks legit. Bruce Feldman, who co-wrote Leach's book, has Tweeted it and here's an actual report of it.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/cougars/2016895773_coug01.html

No time to panic. Be back real soon with where KU goes from here.

Stay tuned...

2:08 p.m. Update:

And now here's this from the Seattle Times Twitter account: http://twitter.com/#!/SeaTimesSports

We've been seeing incorrect tweets saying we reported WSU has hired Mike Leach. We've not reported this, but are checking.

Poor people. Poor Mason Kelley. Doesn't mean it's over, but it's definitely a momentary mess.

Stay tuned...

1:49 p.m. Update:

There's a lot of people freaking out about the "reports" of Leach to Washington State being a done deal. I don't think that's the case just yet, and I think the reports have been reacted to a little heavily.

Here's the Tweet from Seattle Times employee Mason Kelley, whose father, Steve Kelley, is a columnist for the paper.

None by Mason Kelley

As you see, nowhere in there does it say that a deal has been reached or that the Cougars are set to announce anything. Just the following:

A source has told Steve Kelley that Mike Leach is on his way to WSU. Just though I'd pass it along.

Fair enough. Leach may be on his way to Pullman, Wash., and may be headed to interview. Doesn't mean it's a done deal. Doesn't mean it's not.

Time will tell, but I don't think this is a done deal just yet - either way.

Stay tuned...

12:43 p.m. Update:

Just saw a link to the job posting for North Carolina’s head football coaching position and it’s a pretty interesting read.

For those looking to kill time and interested in how something like this might be worded, here’s a look: https://itsapps.unc.edu/RAMS4/details.do?reqId=2502142&type=N

Naturally, this made me wonder if KU had posted a similar “job listing” somewhere on one of its sites, but KU associate athletic director Jim Marchiony said the school had not posted it. They are not required to do so, so this is not that big of a surprise. The job is high-profile enough that the word that it’s open seems to have gotten out to the “public” just fine.

Total speculation here, but my read on it not being posted is that that’s good news... Makes me think this thing will move quickly — which we’ve been saying all along — and that the folks at KU felt there was no need to post it officially because they’ve had candidates in mind and the others who may be interested know how to get their name into the mix.

More to come. Stay tuned...

11:51 a.m. Update:

Throw another school into the ring of fighters for Mike Leach's services. This story from the Chicago Sun Times now says that Illinois is interested in Leach.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/9144383-419/illinois-ad-mike-thomas-interviews-paul-chryst.html

In fact, the article mentions Leach as a top-three candidate. But that's a want, not necessarily a reality.

It's no surprise that the Illini are interested in Leach... everyone is. But the important part of the equation is if Leach is interested in them. The guess here is no way, but their interest, which further muddies the waters, definitely bears mentioning.

While answering some comments and taking some calls in the last couple of hours, something else hit me and that's the list of available names that are not being considered for this job. It's astonishing. Here's a quick rundown. I don't bring these guys up because I think they'll become candidates for the KU job, more to show you who's out there and just how likely it is that everyone searching will find a solid coach in the next few weeks.

Butch Davis - former Miami and NFL coach once thought to be as good as it got.

Randy Shannon - Another former Miami coach who left the U a little early, if you ask me.

Dennis Erickson - Recently fired, which taints his image, but a good one nonetheless. And ANOTHER Miami guy. Man, what's going on here?

Gary Barnett - Former Colorado and Northwestern coach who had great success both places.

Dennis Franchione - Has ties to KU and has been some great places - Bama, A&M...

Pat Fitzgerald - Current Northwestern coach was a hot candidate last time around.

Pat Hill - Head coach at Fresno State, who made Fresno the Boise and TCU of college football before Boise and TCU were what they are today. Hill was a hot candidate when KU hired Mangino.

The list goes on and on and on. It's a really impressive pool that's out there right now and it just increases the odds that KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger will land a good coach who is the right fit for Kansas.

Lastly (for now), I'm not always in front of my computer and when I'm not I'm usually trying to filter some updates through Twitter. If you're not already following me do it here so you don't miss out on any info.

Off to make some more calls and track some more developments. Be back with more soon.

Stay tuned...

9:37 a.m. Update:

Day 3 of the KU football coaching search has arrived and, I’m sure for most, it feels like it’s already been about 6 or 7 days.

That’s what tracking every little move and rumor out there can do and if you don’t focus on taking it all in and enjoying the ride it can drive you crazy.

Although things have been pretty quiet around KU so far, a source told me last night that things are about to get even quieter in the next couple of days. That’s likely because the real work is about to begin.

Don’t get me wrong, KU athletic director Sheahon Zenger has been doing plenty of real work. No one knows for sure what that is but it most likely has consisted of contacting potential candidates and formulating a game plan for how he wants to attack this thing. Now, it looks as if it’s time for him to put that plan into action. The biggest ball to get rolling includes going on the road to talk with candidates face-to-face beginning today.

As best we can tell, Mike Leach, Larry Fedora, Mark Stoops, Brent Venables and a couple others remain at the top of KU's list, with perhaps an unknown name or two still in the mix on that level. There's been no word about which one of those, if any, he will visit first, but things are in motion.

In keeping with the theme of the week, let’s kick off another day of searching with a little deeper look at one of those candidates.

Today: Mark Stoops, defensive coordinator at Florida State and member of the famed Stoops football coaching family.

Interesting discussion about Stoops and the KU job at one Florida State site: http://www.tomahawknation.com/2011/11/27/2590562/will-fsu-defensive-coordinator-mark-stoops-be-interviewed-for-head

Conflicting reports on whether FAU is/was interested in the Stoops brothers? http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/owls/mark-and-mike-stoops-reportedly-tell-fau-theyre-1996600.html

Mike Stoops talking about his brother Mark:

Mark Stoops interview from August, 2001 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzaHDax9ug

And here’s this from Stoops’ FSU bio:

Mark Stoops begins his 21st season of coaching as Florida State's first-year defensive coordinator and secondary coach. Hired by Jimbo Fisher is January to replace the venerable Mickey Andrews, Stoops came to the FSU from Arizona, where he spent the past six seasons serving the Wildcats in the same capacity under his head coaching brother Mike Stoops. His is also the brother of Oklahoma head coach Bob Stoops.

Was instrumental in turning the Wildcats into one of the finest defensive units in the Pac-10. Arizona ranked 25th nationally in total defense last season and was ranked among the top three in the conference in five statistical categories as it authored a second consecutive 8-5 season.

Stoops built an impressive resume by developing nationally elite units, especially in the secondary. Prior to his six-year run at Arizona, he spent three seasons at the University of Miami as the secondary coach. His '02 and '03 units led the nation in pass defense, while the '01 Hurricanes - which won the national championship - led the nation in pass efficiency defense, scoring defense and turnover margin.

He spent the 2000 season as co-defensive coordinator at Houston, following a three-year run at Wyoming as the secondary coach. His first full-time college job came in 1996 when he was hired by USF to help with the start-up of the program.

A proponent of zone schemes, Stoops' pass defenses have been especially proficient and extraordinary at takeaways. The 2001 Miami team established a single-season school record with 27 interceptions and 45 takeaways. Miami's 2002 secondary tied an NCAA record by allowing just 9.5 yards per completion. The 2003 Hurricanes were second in total defense and fourth in scoring defense and pass efficiency defense. The 1997 Wyoming secondary contributed significantly to its school-record 24 interceptions.

Stoops recruited and developed some of the finest defensive backs in the nation over the past decade, many of who have gone on to enjoy outstanding NFL career careers. Among the notable are Arizona's Antoine Cason and Michael Johnson, Miami's Antrel Rolle, Sean Taylor, Edward Reed, Phillip Buchanon and Mike Rumph, and Wyoming's Brian Lee.

Like his brothers, Stoops played collegiately in the secondary at Iowa for Hall of Fame coach Hayden Fry. Fry hired Stoops as a graduate assistant for the 1990 and 1991 seasons. The Hawkeyes won the 1990 Big Ten title and played in the Rose Bowl; duplicating feats Stoops also achieved as a player during a four-year career.

As a player and a coach, he has taken part in 11 bowls, including each of his final two seasons at Arizona.

Before launching his collegiate coaching career, Stoops followed in his father's footsteps as a high school football coach. He spent four years at Ohio's Nordonia Hills as an assistant and the school's athletic director.

Raised in Youngstown, Ohio, Stoops played high school football at Cardinal Mooney.

Much more to come throughout the day. Stay tuned...

Comments

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Great insight Matt,

You are doing great research on this, just as you did with the whole conference realignment. Keep up the awesome work!!!

And it was great to read an article about the coaching search that wasn't dominated by Mike Leach. Another HUGE thanks!!!!

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 10 months ago

Leach can bring a better staff than Stoops.

BringBackNike 10 years, 10 months ago

Bring on Mike Leach! Watch this video. Would be a total culture shock to the players and I love it! No more "good job guys" & "B is for Believe". Do work Zenger!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZaOFTp5_C8

middleoftheroader 10 years, 10 months ago

that video is the #&%$, ^*@! all the other candidates.

jhawkjunkie 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, with all the names going around, Leach, Venables, (my choice), Mark Stoops and Larry Fedora being the big ones, is there anything about any of these guys that says they want to be and accept a head coaching job now? I would seem to me that unless there was anything out there that says any of these guys would like to move up or move on to a head coaching position somewhere else, are we all just wishful thinking here?

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

They're football coaches. It's in their DNA.

Fedora has been on a steady climb for a long time now and is destined to land a BCS job.

People close to Leach have said he's ready - maybe even dying - to get back into it.

Mark Stoops is a Stoops brother and that's what Stoops brothers do.

Venables also is dying to become a head coach some day. He may be a little more picky than others, but I'm hearing that he was an interview for the KU job pretty badly.

So to answer your question.... it's not wishful thinking. These guys are all very realistic options and very interested in jobs like Kansas.

jay381 10 years, 10 months ago

There may be a different sequence of choices in these four, however; with that said I cannot imagine anyone not having a positive attitude about the future if any of these four are the next HC. I have a personal preference also but would support with enthusiasm any of these men. All of us may have personal preferences but this is a qualified group of impressive individuals that appear to also be realistically obtainable. RC

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 10 months ago

I believe there was an article previously about how Bob could not even watch Mike's Arizona team play against Okie State, and seemed to perish the thought that they would have to play one another. The fact that the Stoops vs. Stoops match-up would occur every year, and create a situation where each brother might be sealing the other's fate, I believe, would make Mark Stoops a long shot to take the KU job.

After beating Mark's team 41-17, Bob said in 2010:

"I felt the entire week it would be a miserable experience, but after the game, I was sure of it. I've never been so conflicted and miserable about winning a game."

Perhaps it is overblown, but I don't think so.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Could be. It wouldn't surprise me at all. Those guys are very close. But at the same time, it's a business and sometimes you have to make business decisions... If someone's gonna offer you $2 million or more a year to do what you love, I think you sign up and worry about the cage matches with your brother(s) down the road.

That's just me, though. You could have a very valid point and it's definitely worth considering... I'll see what more I can find out.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 10 months ago

Point taken. I don't think Zenger would offer 2MM to a coordinator that is not a serious candidate elsewhere. If Stoops is a serious candidate at any of the other BCS jobs out there, it could play a role in his decision. As you said, they are very close, and are likely to seek counsel from one another.

Based on what I've seen, I am sure Bob breathed a huge sigh of relief when the "OU to the PAC-12" train derailed, despite Mike's impending doom.

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt - earlier someone mentioned Frank Solich's name. Is that even a possibility and what are your thoughts? Thank you.

Kent Wells 10 years, 10 months ago

I really liked him at N and thought he got a really bad deal. Didn't he have the best winning percentage in his first 5 (at the time)? Not sure how his team is doing now...

nuleafjhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

I'm not sure what his overall record was, and I haven't looked it up, but I believe the year he was fired they went 9-3. I was blown away and thought at the time - send him to Lawrence. I'll take 9-3 any time.

kureignman 10 years, 10 months ago

I agree with you and think even though Mark would be a great hire, he wouldn't take the job at KU. This is also why I don't think Mike would be the DC under Leach as others have mentioned as a scenario.

kupride4u 10 years, 10 months ago

Obviously Leach, Stoops and Fedora seem to be the popular choices. I hope they can land Leach.

One name I don't see this time around is Pat Hill. For a few years he was regarded pretty highly and I believe even a KU candidate at one time (can't remember if it was before we got Mangino or Gill). Have the last few years at Fresno hurt his chances of landing at a BCS school?

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Pat Hill was probably tied to Al Bohl who was the AD a Fresno before he came to KU.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Excellent, excellent point.

Pat Hill was a big-time candidate when KU hired Mangino but that was largely because of the success Fresno was having at that time. They were the TCU and/or Boise of college football back then.

Since then, he's leveled off a little bit and dropped out of the spotlight.

I'll add him to my "others" list though and see what people have to stay.

Gimme a bit.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Heard his name come up briefly but don't remember the context. Long shot, I'm guessing... I'll look into it again.

John Mueller 10 years, 10 months ago

i am bummed that my Dan Mullen wishlist doesn't appear to be generating any traction.

I think he is a real stud and cannot imagine how MS State can be anything but a stepping stone job given the difficulty to have any real sustained success in that conference at that school.

But, I saw on the dreaded ESPN crawl last night that he is a candidate for Penn State which is obviously a better job than KU.

Just think alot of both his coaching pedigree and the way his teams play.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Sorry, man.

You're right, though. He's a great coach and would be an unbelievable hire at Penn State right now.

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33589722

This is an interesting post from CBS. If you look though this, Mike Leach only mentioned as a candidate for WSU, ASU and KU, with only KU and WSU being listed as a strong candidate. I'm sure this article is somewhat dated, but it is interesting.

Matt- One guy I also liked was Gary Barnett. I don't know how old he is or if he is interested in getting back into coaching, but his teams at Northwestern and Colorado were always solid.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

We had Barnett on our original list and then yanked him... I'll look into it a little more to see what his interests are. Think he's pretty happy out of coaching right now. And he's 61.

kureignman 10 years, 10 months ago

Barnett had a pretty bad recruiting scandal plague him at CU so he's also got some baggage. But more importantly the guy's a tiger so we can't trust his judgement.

bradynsdad 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt I know you have said it before but as of now when do you see zenger publicly announcing a new head coach?

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Nothing new that's caused me to feel any better about making a guess. I still contend that I'd be surprised if it doesn't happen before Dec. 9 (next Friday) and I definitely could see it happening sooner than that.

That's the best I've got... right now. Stay with me!

FreddyinLA 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, did KU use private funds to buy out Gill and Long? Is Cromwell completely off the radar?

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Haven't heard his name come up much so I'm guessing so, but ya never know. Would love to see him come be a part of the next staff in some way, though. Solid coach.

As for the $$$ question, I was told that money from KU's increased haul from the FOX television contract took care of it.

Private money and fund-raising may have to be done to support the next staff...

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

With all the drama at KU over the past couple of years I smell a "tell all" book by Jesse and Matt. Foreword written by ahperse of course!

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Hmmm...

To quote T.O. - "Get your popcorn ready!"

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Still working on it... Don't want to throw anything out there that would just be ridiculous. That's the reason for the delay. It's tough right now. Real tough. Need to narrow the focus so the wheel doesn't have like 12 names and a high of 13%... I'll make something happen, though.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

Here's this from Tom Keegan the other day... Mason's an interesting name to bring up but I don't see it being him.

zhawkz 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt: I made the point elsewhere the longer this thing goes the LESS likely Leach is coming to KU...that if he isn't announced by Monday it's likely someone else. Agree?

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't.

Leach has a ton of leverage here and is likely going to use that to pit schools against each other to make sure he gets the best deal he can get.

It benefits him to drag this thing out a little. That said, I don't think the timing is going to impact his decision much. He'll pick where he wants to go and that will be that. The delay would be purely strategic but won't change much.

If he wants to come to Kansas (and they offer) he'll come to Kansas.

zhawkz 10 years, 10 months ago

Well, you are a LOT closer to this deal than I am. But as fast as some of the jobs are getting filled (Ole Miss job filled today?) I wonder if it will really go longer than Monday. And I wonder if Leach will really use leverage and drag it out when he has a good relationship with SZ. Why wouldn't SZ make him a great offer, say to ML "Here you go Mike. If this doesn't work for you I understand, but we need to move on. No hard feelings." Leach says yes and done by Monday. Or passes and we hire __ later in the week.

SWAG method in full force for me, I know. Keep up the super work Matt...and again, you need a raise!

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, I have read, a couple times, that Bob Stoops told Mangino that he should punt on the KU job and wait for a better offer. I don't know if that's true, but that sure would make me wonder why Brent Venables would be all that interested, other than maybe the timing of the opening. Have you ever heard that Stoops didn't hink highly of the KU job?

DCJayhawk0208 10 years, 10 months ago

Just speculating, but that could have been as much about Terry Allen and the HORRIBLE state of the program (and facilities, etc.) when he was fired.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

True, the facilities were pretty awful at the time. I remember the players having to ride a bus to practice from the other side of campus, and that the time on the bus counted towards the NCAA time limits (at least that's how I understood it).

shinanigins 10 years, 10 months ago

My Predictions.....

Leach to Kansas Sumlin to ASU Smart to Ole Miss Mullen to Penn St Chryst to Illinois Miss St ? (Fedora or Malzahn) UCLA ? (Bellotti or Cable) WSU ? (Wyoming coach?) UNC - Butch Jones

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

Seems like a pretty good list, shinanigins, but what about Peterson? I was thinking he'd be a pretty natural fit for the UCLA job. Or do you think he'll stay at Boise?

David Atchley 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt:

What is your impression of both "Chad Morris" and "Bobby Jack Wright?" Of course Morris the OC at Clemson and formerly Tulsa, and Bobby Jack Wright has been the Co-D-Coordinator at OU.

"Both" are world class recruiters in the State of Texas. BJW "is" the heart/soul of OU recruiting and Chad Morris won several Texas State High School Championships as a coach. Both would quickly establish a solid pipeline of football players from Texas and grab some of the market share from those schools departing to other conferences. Your thoughts?

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 10 months ago

Would have a lot of fun with a name like Bobby Jack!

kureignman 10 years, 10 months ago

Yeah I really thought Morris would be a leading candidate but have barely seen him mentioned. It would be great if we could at least steal him away as our OC.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

Chad Morris's biggest obstacle is his lack of experience at the college level. Give him another couple of years in the college ranks and he will be a legitimate candidate at BCS schools. North Texas hired Todd Dodge straight from Southlake Carroll and he was a colossal flop in Denton because he lacked the experience at the college level. Morris just needs a couple of more years to learn the college game because it is drastically different from high school.

gunnar 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, I really enjoy your updates. I have a friend that follows Arkansas and he has mentioned that their offensive coordinator would make a fine head coach. I believe his name is McGee. If we don't land one of our top candidates what are your thoughts on McGee and if any other schools may have him on their list.

Stan Unruh 10 years, 10 months ago

Don't believe Leach is on the Sirius XM radio show with Jack Arute this morning. Maybe he's busy visiting with Dr. Z or his agent on job offers?

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt- Getting off Leach for a second, I think one of your darkhorses was Sonny Dykes. He has an interesting background and pedigree, but only have two seasons as a headcoach for a WAC team winning the league this year. By the way, is there any school more misplaced than Lousiana Tech in the WAC?

Dykes' father preceded Leach. The cupboard was not bare for Leach at Tech. I think this is the first year in 19 that Tech was not bowl eligible. I would think that Dykes has very strong relationships with Texas high school coaches. I think we heard that Gill had strong ties in Texas.

Are the similarities with Gill's body of work before KU too close for someone like Dykes (or Fedora for that matter) to be considered?

David Atchley 10 years, 10 months ago

Rob...I know that Gill supposedly recruited in Texas when he was on Osborne's staff at Nebraska and is from Fort Worth...but I haven't heard of him having any traction or remotely any solid relationships currently in Texas.

It wouldnt make sense as I can't imagine the ballplayer that would want to go all the way to Buffalo NY to play in that godforsaken weather when they could stay closer to home. I agree with you on Dykes and earlier I posted the names of Chad Morris and Bobby Jack Wright...all three are embedded in the high schools in Texas and all three should be at a good value salary-wise, versus some of the bigger names being speculated.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 10 months ago

FYI, KU linebacker Willis who transferred from Buffalo, was from Texas.

AcesWild 10 years, 10 months ago

mark stoop is a loser so was mike at arizona they are not

head coach material like ae ad is not ad material if does notcome with mike leach .i thank you should buy season .ticket ,i say quit kiss up stoop or the big12 south how many big12 teams auts like that when it comes to basketball . they dont want talk about .

Lance Cheney 10 years, 10 months ago

I think your keyboard was upside down when you typed that.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

LOL!!! You guys are coming up with some good ones!

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Get the Nightquil and the Dayquil bottles mixed up?

bradynsdad 10 years, 10 months ago

Wow! Do you know how hard it was to stay quiet in my office while reading the responses to this post? The fans on this site sometimes drive me nuts but when you read a group of responses like that, well I am glad I still read most of your posts still.

+1000 to the responses on aceswilds post!

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

I hear you, brady. I'm trying not to smile too broadly and make people wonder what I'm doing.

Kent Wells 10 years, 10 months ago

Allow me folks, I speak Aces:

mark stoops is loser no and arizona mike than OK.

the ad iz not ksu kiss ass that he work for KU now mike leach is good fur season .ticket but keep looking than gud for ku This not basketball Aces; This be foozball. Good hire than make KU gooder next year.

NorthStarHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Do your parents or nanny realize you're posting on an internet blog?

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, with all the talk of who and who not, has anyone from KU pulled a WSU and said what they might offer a coach?

Will it be Gill money around $2 million a year or will KU try and stay a little lower with incentives?

What is your opinion on pay as well for the KU job?

johnnyhrdwd 10 years, 10 months ago

Most of those guys are washed up, Franchione would be a last ditch but could get it done. Mark Stoops is too green still, Mike Stoops totally flopped at Arizona. Leach, Fedora, Venables, gotta consider a coaches ability to bring in a competent staff and his recruiting ties to Oklahoma and Tejas.

John Mueller 10 years, 10 months ago

Aceswild-

Thanks for the demonstration on the dangers of crystal meth!

refugee 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt...Is there any real chance of getting Sumlin? Where do you see him next year?

Kirk 10 years, 10 months ago

Leach seems like a bad match for KU, stylistically and culturally. I'd love to have him here, and I'm sure Zenger would too, but would Gray-Little REALLY allow it?

KU just seems too "nice" and politically correct to hire him.

Moreover, has anyone considered the fact that Kansas is the only other state besides Texas that enjoys "sovereign immunity" from lawsuits? This is precisely the issue that's causing Leach so many headaches now with his TT suit.

I'd love to have him here, but...can't see it.

RockCaCO3 10 years, 10 months ago

Gary Patterson is a Kansas native. Is he too entrenched at TCU to even consider a move?

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Now that he is in the same conference as Kansas, it's not clear that KU is a better job than TCU.

kugrad93 10 years, 10 months ago

Good grief. Franchione couldn't win at Texas A&M, why would KU -- a much more difficult job -- want him?

Barnett had multiple off-the-file scandals at CU. And he's a Mizzou grad.

ku_foaf 10 years, 10 months ago

True, they hated him at A&M... plus Franchione was fired for essentially selling confidiental injury reports to alumni. This sounded like gambling information. Pretty dirty, we don't want him. I believe he as ties to the state of Kansas, though.

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

People seem to want the polar opposite of Gill, so why not bring Gary and his sex-on-recruiting-visits style to KU?

ku_foaf 10 years, 10 months ago

Barnett had the issue with the female kicker claiming she was assaulted by his player and he did nothing but badmouth her, didn't investigate.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

Don't mince words.

She claimed she was raped. Not "assaulted".

And it's not my intent to get on you about it. The lack of attention paid to that part of the story, when it broke, was amazing. People were more offended that Barnett's recruits were potentially having sex on visits than they were about the idea of one teammate raping another.

The general attitude I got (and this is also the general viewpoint expressed by Barnett) was that she must have deserved it, for being a woman out of her proper place.

Leach = quirky, anti-establishment rabble rouser, but seems to be a decent person

Barnett = slimy, ex-Misery sexist piece of trash

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

Excellent differentiation, marchphog. I was shocked that anyone would want to consider a scumbag like Barnett for the KU job. And I'm also surprised how many people are acting like Leach is on a similar level, when it's not even remotely close.

LoganDoan 10 years, 10 months ago

It's really tough to believe any of these guys would choose Kansas with so many job opportunities. It would have to be someone who knows they can recruit to KU immediately, which I believe is only Mike Leach with his connections to Texas. Stoops would be nice with his connections to the hotbed that is Florida, but how would he possibly be able to get Florida kids to move all the way to Kansas?

Texas is our best bet, and so is Mike Leach.

FSUJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

Hey Matt, thanks for all your hard work on this and your overall great coverage of KU Football.

I am not sure if I missed it elsewhere on the site but what is the probability of one of the remaining three members of the coaching staff being promoted to the HC position?

Just curious as to what your opinion is and what the word from SZ's camp may be suggesting that (im)possibility.

Thanks again for your good work.

RCJHGKU !!!

Andy Tweedy 10 years, 10 months ago

Good Lord, If that happens, the kusports site will be crashed within seconds!!!

jay381 10 years, 10 months ago

OMG You have to be kidding. Assistants are promoted from successful head coaches that get better jobs not failures.

David Atchley 10 years, 10 months ago

Seems much like the "delusion" of the Jayhawk Nation when it was difficult to grasp why there was little interest in Kansas football during realignment, the same will be the case with the likes of Gary Patterson or Kevin Sumlin, or Mike Leach, etc...Why would Gary Patterson, who's TCU team was just admitted to the Big 12, leave a recruiting mecca like the Dallas/Fort Worth area, for Kansas?

Why would Kevin Sumlin, who's Houston Cougars are currently 7th in the BCS Standings, leave an equally talent laden Houston, only the 4th largest city in the country? "IF" Leach would consider Kansas, I have to believe it would be after he misses on the UCLA, Arizona State, Oregon State, and any of the SEC jobs coming available. Football in today's game, is about recruiting, pure and simple....not if you recruited in Texas in the 90s for some Big 10 Conference team, or even if you're a native of Texas...but about a coach's in Texas currently...present-day.

Kansas will be better served to seek a Coordinator from a big-time program, Dykes has been mentioned, there's Chad Morris at Clemson and Bobby Jack Wright at Oklahoma. They're going to be more willing to over-look the inherent challenges of very little talent on the Kansas football team, mediocre at best stadium facilities, very little game-day attendance by its "fans" and the fact its in a cold weather climate, forty miles from any metropolitan area.

The price will be a better value, and there has to be a significant consideration given to that coach having strong and current high school coaching relationships in Texas. The first question by Zenger to any prospective coaching candidate has to be "name the players that you've successfully recruited from the State of Texas over the past 5 years, and please show your work."

Kansas has fallen behind the other football teams in its Conference, and at a very critical time in the realignment landscape. Its imperative they hire a coach that can immediately impact the recruiting process.

FSUJHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

The only incentives I can think of coming to KU is money and more money and maybe some ego and revenge.

RCJHGKU!!!

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

Money talks and if KU is willing to pay someone a top 15-20 salary, that will get coaches attentions that wouldn't normally think twice about KU.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt,

Perrr. Cent. Age. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeel!!!

I know you already answered about that, and I do appreciate you trying to get something accurate... but it's our Tait-blog drug, Matt!! We need a fix! :-)

I would actually be okay with just totally ridiculous speculation. Your speculation would be much more informed than ours.... Must. Have. Wheel...

Seriously, though, your football blog has probably increased the LJWorld ad buy by like 6,000% with all our repeat clicks.... Great work. Keep it up........... with a wheel... :)

LAJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

And, BTW, I would be very happy with any of the top 4 candidates you just mentioned. Obviously, we could end up with someone else, entirely, but if it is one of those four, I would feel like Zenger definitely hit one over the fence.

IMO.

Michael Bowden 10 years, 10 months ago

Earlier I read that Mark Stoops is a no simply because he wouldn't want to go against Bob every year right? Let's rewind a bit and look at something else assuming reaalignment did happen and okalhoma headed to the pac12 and mike stoops didn't get the boot at zona wouldn't that put stoop bros is the same situation? Let's be realistic the harbough brothers seemd alright with competition on thanksgiving day none the less, if you don't want to compete with your brother you probably would have never got to this level in the first place. That being said whom ever the coach is better have a couple of good friends for coordinators! Oh yeah sorry my typing is terrible its all done from a droid.

cool_beans 10 years, 10 months ago

i figured someone would find it funny but i guess not

Robert Brock 10 years, 10 months ago

Like Turner Gill, he has proven that he cannot coach.

chriz 10 years, 10 months ago

Hey, Matt - I'm assuming you would've already posted this if you thought it had a chance, but how about Jack Del Rio? I heard that he got a degree from KU.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

Not sure where you got that. He went to USC.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

He played college football at USC, but he finished his political science degree at KU while playing for the Chiefs.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

Wow, you learn something new every day.

Thanks, texas.

nwhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Not really. Reasonable people can disagree on whether Mike Leach was the right man for the job.

chriz 10 years, 10 months ago

Or whether KU was the right job for Leach. It's not like we're Alabama or something.

doctorWho 10 years, 10 months ago

and UCLA and Illinois and ASU and . . .

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Heard that Mike Martz might get an interview at ASU.

kureignman 10 years, 10 months ago

Funny that the best candidate wasn't a top choice at any other school besides WSU. Sounds like we dodged a bullet to me.

RockCaCO3 10 years, 10 months ago

"A source tells Seatle Times columnist Steve Kelly". The source is his son who Tweeted this information. If it was Tweeeted it must be legit.

rockemchalkemrobots 10 years, 10 months ago

The exact tweet that the blog seems to reference reads: "A source has told Steve Kelley that Mike Leach is on his way to WSU. Just though I'd pass it along."

It can be read to mean that he is flying in to interview, or that he has taken the job. I'd suggest it is the former, and perhaps the source is not even accurate. No way he takes WSU without looking at better options.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

True. If potential candidates are worried about getting recruits to come to Lawrence, that would still be a much easier sell than Pullman, Washington.

FreddyinLA 10 years, 10 months ago

A few short years ago San Diego U (not state), with no scholarship players, had a coach who once a week would get on the local radio station and talk about his team. He was so dynamic and charismatic and would get you so excited about football, that you would somehow end your commute home at the Big 5 Sporting Goods store trying on football helmets. His teams were quickly becoming national powers in their division. That guy was Jim Harbaugh.

Great football coaches are out there, they just need an opportunity.

jhawkjunkie 10 years, 10 months ago

We had the opportunity to get Harbaugh, Perkins was just too damn impatient.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

That's what was said on the radio. That doesn't make it true. As I posted elsewhere, I ask you to list one single logical reason why Harbaugh would have left Stanford to go to KU. It's a simply ridiculous idea.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

Money talks, plain and simple and KU was willing to pay him a helluva lot more money to him than Stanford was.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

If he truly was going to come to KU, what an unbelievable blunder Lew made to not let him coach the bowl game.

On the other hand, he probably still would have ended up taking an NFL job after a couple of years -- that is, if the KU job hadn't destroyed his reputation first.

shinanigins 10 years, 10 months ago

@vinceg55 Pullman, WA Sources tell me WSU has made an offer to Mike Leach to be its next football coach. They expect him to accept. It's close to done. More soon.

bradynsdad 10 years, 10 months ago

Mike leach to wsu doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I think what leach will do is create a bidding war for his services. We know wsu already said they can offer double what they did which is only 1.2 mill. That's not enough for leach. Second his recruiting hot beds are in Texas. It's easier to get Texas kids to asu or ku than wsu. Plus recruiting Texas kids is easy when they get to play several games in their home state. I also still think leach wants to show tech he is the best coach. All that being said I would still much rather find a diamond in the rough who creates his own legacy here, only bad thing is that only happens to about 1 out of every 100 coaches.

Eric Dawson 10 years, 10 months ago

Wouldn't it be great if Zenger could unearth the next Urban Meyer? Successful at small college, successful at large nonBCS program and ready to move into the deep end of the pool? (Like Bill Self, too, for that matter...).

With his years of networking and contacts, besides the usual suspects Zenger surely has a long list of people that he has winnowed down to his top 4 or 5 choices. (Anyone else notice how the Zenger and BGL critics have been silent since the firing announcement on Sunday?)

All I want is the Great Guardian Jayhawk's confirmation to Zenger: "You have chosen... wisely."

bradynsdad 10 years, 10 months ago

Completely agree. Oh no we didnt get mike leach! Quick abandon ship! Turn on everyone on our staff! Fire everyone! He isnt the only available person out there. How do big name coaches get to be big name coaches? Someone takes a chance on them.

Lance Cheney 10 years, 10 months ago

Is Washington State a worse football program than KU in recent years? I know they're not that good, but I wasn't sure if they were down to our level or worse...

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

And they're in Pullman, which is the epitome of the middle of nowhere ...

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

OK if it is true that Leach ends up at WazzU then its a bad thing for KU if he was in all actuality their first choice (not mine), now the search must continue.

But I can see Leach going to WazzU, Pullman is only 4 hours drive from Haystack Rock/Canon Beach in Oregon, where they filmed the Goonies. The Goonies was about a pirates treasure. So it all makes sense as to why Leach would go there.

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Sorry 432 miles, just going to fast. My bad. E me. Sorry. Opps.

Darnit!!!

kugrad93 10 years, 10 months ago

Spokane paper is reporting that Leach has an offer from WSU.

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

What is your purpose of being on these message boards again? Get lost....

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

This is still all speculation. I can't come up with any really good reasons why Leach would take this position over some others. Unless, we are completely misinterpreting KU... maybe Zenger doesn't want to touch Leach. Maybe WazzU is the only school willing to give him the offer. Unlikely but possible since he comes with a lot of baggage. Everything is speculation though. No official from the any school has said anything....

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

That twitter feed says Leach has been offered the job at WSU and is expected to accept.

How on earth could Zenger have missed the boat on Leach. He knew for the last 5 weeks of the season Gill was going to need to be replaced. He should have had Leach's contract and job offer ready to go on Sunday night.

When this 'wait and see' attitude by the KU AD happened during the realignment mess we were lucky it panned out...but this is starting to become a pattern and now it's going to cost us our top target.

Kirk 10 years, 10 months ago

I thought Zenger was friends with Leach.

Surely Leach wouldn't pass on KU simply because he's waiting on a contract to be drawn up.

No, he'd pass on KU for some other un-fixable reason. Like the competition is too hard. Or the chancellor is too PC.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

There's nothing about this situation that is a pattern yet. Nothing has officially happened, and it's only been three days since TG was fired. Let's see what actually happens before casting aspersions based on rumors.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

Zenger had a much better resume than Gill did. As I just posted, let's see what actually happens before saying that someone's doing a lousy job. This is Zenger's first real challenge and will tell us a lot about how capable he is of doing the job.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

That's absurd. The best AD in the world couldn't have gotten us into the PAC. Maybe that could have happened a little earlier in the process under Lew, but not by the time Zenger was there.

shinanigins 10 years, 10 months ago

Newest Tweet from the guy that co-wrote Leach's book

BFeldmanCBS Bruce Feldman BREAKING: Mike Leach has verbally agreed to be the head coach at Washington St.

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Maybe Zenger didn't want Leach as his "Big" hire??

Nobody had any inside knowledge that he wanted Leach for sure, that he was just on the short list. And most of that was fueled by their friendship and past.

Maybe Zenger could't offer him the right amount of money and Leach went to the highest bidder.

As I said above if he was KU's first choice then it stinks cause the search continues and its getting tough with all the other openings.

Maybe Zenger and Leach were using each other? Leach to get ore money from WSU and Zenger to make the KU job look more attractive??

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

I've seen nothing from Zenger that would suggest he's capable of such a plan. He's go-to tactic seems to be to quietly wait on the sidelines until somebody makes big decisions for him.

Our next coach will be whomever Bob Stoops tells him hire, as in his brother.

actorman 10 years, 10 months ago

You've also seen nothing from Zenger to say that he is quietly waiting on the sidelines, and that is an utterly ridiculous assumption. What exactly are you basing it on??? Just because we don't know all the details of what's happening doesn't mean that Zenger is not doing a lot.

He certainly acted decisively and quickly about firing TG.

jcepp 10 years, 10 months ago

Not to be Marxist or anything, but any coach who thinks the KU job is a step up, just ain't good enough.

VaJay 10 years, 10 months ago

FROM CBS SPORTSLINE:

Leach to be next Washington State coach

Posted on: November 30, 2011 3:39 pm

Mike Leach has verbally agreed to become the next head coach at Washington State. Leach was offered the position late Tuesday afternoon, CBS learned.

The 50-year-old Leach replaces Paul Wulff, who was dismissed Tuesday morning. The hiring of Leach would seem to mesh with Washington State athletic director Bill Moos' comment earlier at the press conference where he announced Wullf's firing that he likes a "flashy, high-octane offense that lights up the scoreboard."

jayhawkfirst 10 years, 10 months ago

Its being ran on ESPN's bottom line now too. If Leach was indeed a target for KU, how far has KU football fallen that Washington State is a better destination than KU? Pretty embarrasing.

Brian Skelly 10 years, 10 months ago

I'd mention that we have no idea what Zenger has or hasnt done in regards to Leach. But my guess is, weather it was lot or a little, it wasnt enough.

While none of the WSU news is official, when you have that many sources going crazy, odds are there is fire where there is smoke.

I think KU folks here 'assumed' Leach would be a good fit (or not). My issue with that mindset is simply assuming KU wouldnt have to compete for his services -- which they would have no matter who and how many other schools were interested.

I also think the whole "just cause its quiet doesnt mean anything is going on" mindset is once again proving folly. In today's world with tweets / fb / emails / internet / dish / cable / other traditional news sources almost no 'secret' is a secret anymore. It doesnt take much to find stuff out -- weather its legit or not.

We've seen NOTHING about whom, when, where any thing has gone on with any candidates at all. I dont view that as a positive. I dont need to 'know' everything... but knowing something is actually taking place would be a plus.

Maybe really no one is home.

jhawkjunkie 10 years, 10 months ago

You go with a guy who knows defense. You know a guy who knows the Big 12. You go with a guy who has coached NFL caliber players. You go with Brent Venables!

zhawkz 10 years, 10 months ago

Wow THAT is disappointing. Obviously, WSU had a deal with ML before they fired the current HC. So we were NEVER in the running for the pirate.

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't think so, I think WSU's AD was just on the ball and got it done.

Zenger should have made this deal. He had the connection with Leach and the better job to offer; his too slow to draw tactics are starting to border on incompetent.

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, it's been almost an hour since we have heard from you here.

I know I'm Jonesin for more insight and updates about not just Leach to WazzU but what about KU???

Please give us something man, just something!!!

Thanks

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Sorry about this one as I was reading those above me and typed this you updated.

Nice work as usual Matt.

Omari Miller 10 years, 10 months ago

Just hire Herm Edwards. He likes Kansas City, became a Jayhawk fan and could you imagine in in living rooms selling the program to parents and players? Plus, ESPN commentators would always have some interest in talking about what was going on with Herm and the 'Hawks.

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Sooooo Leach is gone... Anything from Zenger would be nice.

Kirk 10 years, 10 months ago

Gotta figure WSU was a done deal before Gill was even fired.

Stan Unruh 10 years, 10 months ago

ESPN bottom line is reporting Leach to WSU However, we've seen these media outlets jump the gun.... how many times? Let's be patient..

Kevin Randell 10 years, 10 months ago

Ok, not to hit the panic button, but this all does bring up a point of concern. This hush hush non-proactive approach is very similar to what we saw with conference realignment. I am trying to be patient here but there is a fine line between patience and procrastination. Wish SZ would give us SOMETHING to hear.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

Don't worry, fellow KU fans. Almost everyone out there who has been reviewing and dissecting the football coaching carousel have been unanimous in referring to Wazzu as the worst opportunity of the bunch.

So either Wazzu broke the bank (departing from their earlier comments of "doubling" the previous coach's salary to get him, in spite of twice the current coach's salary being less than half of Leach's previous salary) to entice him to come, or Leach (who we can all agree is a quirky dude) had his sights on Washington State from the get-go.

Either way, while I'm disappointed about not getting him, I don't think you can really say this reflects in any way on KU football. Leach didn't take a "better" job. He took, arguably, the worst job on the table. Clearly the "quality" of job wasn't high on his list of considerations.

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

Fire sheahoRn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For making the worst possible move in the history of athletic directors. We should of let go of Turner mid season and been the first to jump on leach or even rich rod. Now we are going to have to go with the "up and comer" route again. Win 2-3 games a year again. Listen to the homers say "we'll be good in three years" again.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Dude, we could hire Bill Belichick, it's still gonna take a couple of years...

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

By the way, love how everyone is going to town on Zenger for Mike Leach taking the worst job available. Leach is a weird guy--it's entirely plausible that KU never had a chance because what most people see as "important" just isn't important to Leach.

Clearly, KU fans' mental states are very fragile right now and therefore too many people feel the need to lash out.

VaJay 10 years, 10 months ago

Regardless, no one knows what's happening behind the scenes. Maybe another coach or two are higher up the priority list for KU. Let's not jump all over the AD when we don't know a thing.

BTW - I've looked at message boards at a few other schools lately, notably WSU's, and it's low brow, low class, moron level stuff. With a few exceptions to this board, we're looking pretty good comparatively speaking - let's keep it that way!

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

The exceptions being ->>>>> manginorh00lz ?

Omari Miller 10 years, 10 months ago

KU's jet flew to Chicago this morning, was there for an hour and flew back to Lawrence. Picking a candidate up?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N100KU

Who's in Chicago?

VaJay 10 years, 10 months ago

That's pretty slick... Any comments Matt ??

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Fitzgerald probably has better options if he wants to leave NU. I'm not sold on Doeren. One year of experience and took over a good program and did not screw things up. He would be a risky hire in my opinion.

Omari Miller 10 years, 10 months ago

Interestingly, Chicago Executive (where the plane landed) is pretty close to Evanston. I'd imagine Doeren would want to fly out of DeKalb.

Lance Cheney 10 years, 10 months ago

If Doeren is hired, I'm gonna shoot myself!

Lance Cheney 10 years, 10 months ago

If Doeren is hired, I'm gonna shoot myself!

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

Doesn't Depaul have a Div III football team? Maybe their coach won a couple games over two years...he'd be perfect!

zhawkz 10 years, 10 months ago

I know how this plays here...disappointment and such. How does it play to the rest of the KU fans who aren't so...obsessed. Will they be letdown by this? Will it affect how they view the eventual choice by SZ? WE think ML was the top choice...but it seems WSU was WAY ahead of SZ in working ML. So now does it appear we are getting thanksgiving "leftovers"?

Brandon Pope 10 years, 10 months ago

Sounds like WSU did the unthinkable and actually made a very strong financial offer to Leach. 2.3 million per for 5 years. The guy has two legal battles to think about and that is a lot of money.

Brandon Pope 10 years, 10 months ago

Perhaps but I am sure KU is thinking they want to pay less than they paid Gill and from Leach's perspective any extra half mil per year certainly doesn't hurt when you are suing two major organizations.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

He's suing, not being sued. Yes, he will be responsible for certain court fees, but he's looking to gain money, not lose a bunch.

That being said, I'm sure WSU tossed a significant amount of money at him. There is a limit to what KU can and should offer.

Brandon Pope 10 years, 10 months ago

"Certain court fees" when you are engaged in a long, drawn out corporate suit is a major financial consideration.

He isn't getting a divorce here. He is going after big boys with deep pockets and a fleet of lawyers who could bury these cases in the legal system for years.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

Which have launched countersuits over him.

And keep in mind that one of those lawsuits was against ESPN who holds our Tier 1 football rights.

bad_dog 10 years, 10 months ago

Attorney fees can indeed be expensive, however there is a significant difference if he is being represented on a contingency fee basis rather than hourly. I don't know how much is at stake, but if it is a significant amount with a decent possibility of prevailing, he may very well have such an agreement. Personal injury, employment discrimination, medical malpractice and product liability cases are frequently handled this way.

If this is the case, Leach only has to worry about paying expenses for expert witnesses, photocopies, filing fees, etc. The attornies will get a percentage of the judgment or settlement if he wins and will get nothing other than reimbursement for expenses if he loses.

Brandon Pope 10 years, 10 months ago

bobfescoe: If leach does not end up at ku the reason is the impending law suits v ESPN and Tech. Told today they could b a hurdle.

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

I guess it's time for Plan B. I went back and forth with Leach. I have to assume he was approached by KU and knew there was interest. I would be curious why he decided on WSU. It would appear that the challenge to build a winning program there is just as great as the challenge at KU.

Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the majority of the Pac-12's TV rights are controlled by Fox and not ESPN. Leach has no law suit against Fox. I have always wondered if the law suits would make if difficult for KU to hire Leach.

I have wavered back and forth on Leach. It does appear that we will get a coach who will have a similar resume to what Turner Gill had before he took the KU job: head coaching experience at non-AQ school with some success. Assistant or coordinator at a successful BCS program. It comes down to finding the right guy.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

That is not "SI". That is an SI-sponsored affiliate.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 10 months ago

Don't understand why everyone feels that Leach is the only one for us!

bradynsdad 10 years, 10 months ago

Well I guess since we didn't get leach we should just close down the football stadium. Football at Kansas will never be succesful without leach. Seriously if it was all leach or nothing, then it is a sad day for us. There are some real idiots on this site. No malice to the reasonable posters.

Lance Cheney 10 years, 10 months ago

I think we've seen that Mangino without Bill Young = not very good.

LAJayhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

I would have been excited about landing Leach (and I will admit, I am a bit disappointed), but it's not like he was miles ahead as the best option, by any means. Even setting aside his "issues," I would like a strong defensive-minded coach. We're never going to beat out the powerhouses for the top skill-player recruits. We will have success by building a solid defense and shutting people down. That's how we started building success under Mangino (which lead to a excellent offense by 2007), and it's how many, many other teams find success and win championships.

Take care of the defense, and the offense will come.

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

KU's early teams under Mangino were competitive solely because of Bill Young's defense. To win consistently at a place like KU, you have to have solid defenses to keep the games lower scoring to give yourself a chance to pull off upsets and to win on the road. My two biggest issues with Leach coming to KU were connected to one another. His defenses were never better than pedestrian and usually were bad and because of the that, he was never able to win important road games at Tech and was a combined 1-14 on the road against Texas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St. which are the three teams you have to beat in most years to even think about winning the Big 12.

ampthatman 10 years, 10 months ago

I think you've got the wrong Bill. Mangino's early teams were competitive because of Bill Whittemore. :)

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

There are several strange components to this story right now. Mike Leach has seen his demand skyrocket over the past several days. And skyrocket in a way that would theoretically give him first choice of any job and allow him to dictate his terms for employment, salary-wise.

Yet we're seeing the following:

1) Leach is going to take the first job offered 2) Leach is going to take what most people agree is the worst job offered 3) Only one national media outlet (CBS) is reporting this 4) The report mentions a "verbal agreement" to take the job.

Something doesn't quite fit... I'll consider the issue closed when I see an article that mentions a signed contract and a level of compensation. Until then, it's like everything in the sports world these days--speculation.

And to those crying about the "close to the vest" approach that KU has taken in recent matters... what if it comes out later this week that Leach isn't going to WSU, for whatever reason? Then a bunch of people at the university look like complete and utter buffoons. If KU doesn't get Leach, no one will ever know if it's because we tried and failed, or didn't try. There is value in this approach.

And going out into the news and saying idiotic things like "we're thinking about doubling the coach's salary for the next hire" when doubling your school's salary leaves it well behind the 8-ball for top-flight coaches in the NCAA does nothing to convince Leach to come to your school. Deals like this are executed on a personal level--there is literally no benefit to opening your mouth, other than to get attention.

I'd rather watch KU play it close to the vest and have everyone (including myself) wondering what's really going on than have Zenger out there running his mouth, letting everyone know just when and how KU succeeds or fails.

Put aside your childish need for immediate gratification and think about it from the perspective of what benefits KU the most in the long run. Not your own personal need for the latest news on an hourly basis.

Mike Barnhart 10 years, 10 months ago

The first of many "big" names to fall before KU get a shot at the scraps.

But that's okay!

Zenger needs to keep his head down and avoid tipping his hand. No sense looking foolish here. Once everyone has passed on KU and taken jobs elsewhere, Zenger will have to earn his money by finding us a "diamond in the rough." The fact that KU is a bad job just make the search harder ...not impossible!

Zenger might just be forced to hire a guy none of us have ever heard of and that's fine with me as long as 10 years from now, the stadiums is full, the track is gone and we've won a few bowl games.

Jeremy Bolinger 10 years, 10 months ago

KU is NOT a bad job. We have everything in place to be just as successful as most big 12 teams. Mangino won here, so did Mason. Im so sick of people sitting here bashing this school and football program. 4 years ago we won the freaking Orange Bowl.

Kirk 10 years, 10 months ago

I knew Leach was out at KU once I read this AM's KC Star article which said that the head coach selection has to be vetted by Gray-Little.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

WORTH NOTING:

The Worldwide Leader hasn't so much as a letter of text about Leach being hired, even on their College Football home page:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/

sheahoRn 10 years, 10 months ago

(flies circling) Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Uhhhhhhhhhh (nose pick) Ummmmmmm Ohhhhhhhhhhh (but scratch) Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii Ahhhhhhhhhhh (drools) Who is this guy everyone is talking about?

mcrckchlk 10 years, 10 months ago

what about Fulmer? Seems like he's the best target... I'm curious what happened to him?

1jhawk2 10 years, 10 months ago

This is a major blow in my belief the KU was going to have a legit coach come in and make something of our program. If Zenger knew 2 or 3 weeks ago he wasn't going to give Gill another year and had Leach at the top of his list, he should have made a move then. We will never know, but I am guessing that's the case.

I don't see another big named coach or the so called "sexy" coach that is willing to take on our program. Venables would be stupid to leave OU, Sumlin will take greener pastures with money and geography at ASU or UCLA. If he didn't have Keenum, what would his record and repuatation be? I doubt it would be what it is. Christiansen maybe the next best option and would be up his alley with a past in the Big 12. SEC assistants won't come here and I don't think they would be able to recruit to KU if there ties aren't here.

Please no Butch Davis, Randy Shannon, or Dennis Franchione. Of the list above I would be happier with Gary Barnett since he had winning records at CU and Northwestern. I don't want to see any old guys either, Dennis Erickson, Houston Nutt or any body like that. Younger and enthusiastic coaches relate better with kids.

The firing of Gill rejuvenated my excitement about KU football and without Leach, the wind has been taken out of my sails. I am hopeful to be wrong, but I am not sure there is another buzz generating name that will get kids and parents excited about sending their kids to KU football.

Back to Back bowls was awesome, 2008 Orange Bowl was great! That's in the past and winning is exciting. I want to watch my school and my team win or have a chance to win each Saturday. I am jealous that KSU fans have what they have and damn it we need it here and we need it now! Sorry for ranting, but I want a competitve team on the field each week like FUMU and KSU has.

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

Exactly this. We might still land a decent X's and O's coach, but not a single candidate out there will generate the buzz and influx of donations that Leach would have...not even close.

Taken with the lack of action during the realignment mess, Zenger has been an obsolete failure in his role as AD.

Sam Brockert 10 years, 10 months ago

Yeah bring back the fat man... It will make KU look like hypocrits and we would be bringing back a coach who rarely won againist the Big 12 south but yea, bring him back.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Im kind of relieved we didnt get the pirate. A good coach, but after all our school has been through, getting this guy wouldnt help. We dont have the recruits for his system. We have 4 good running backs. We need a balanced coach.

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

Just as during the realignment fiasco, we will do what ever Oklahoma tells us to do.

One of the Stoops brothers will be our new coach; book it.

Steve Williams 10 years, 10 months ago

Home run Hire is not going to happen at KU, not when you fire one guy for being to mean, then fire a nice guy after two years. The next PROVEN canidate should ber Terry Bowden,

  1. No way stoops leaves FSU
  2. Go hire Venebrals, then watch him go 2 hours west in 2 years
  3. Better pray for Fedora because...

The hire will be Doreean.

GA @ USC, DC@ Wisc, Recruited dang near the whole Orangebowl Team here, Local Guy

Take it to the bank,, Doreean before the sun sets

texashawk10 10 years, 10 months ago

I think if you take that highway north of 70 (I don't remember if it's 24 or 40) that runs straight into Manhattan it might take two hours because it's a US highway and not an interstate and would have stop signs and traffic lights in the smaller towns.

Todd Mobray 10 years, 10 months ago

What about Houston Nutt? Not a fan, just seemed like he was almost a done deal last time and he is available.

pepper_bar 10 years, 10 months ago

This isn't bad for KU at all. Terrible for Keegan, though, who myopically put all his eggs in one basket to push for the Leach hire. Whoops!

Daniel Kennamore 10 years, 10 months ago

And the Big East is a perfect fit for KU...

goldeneagle31 10 years, 10 months ago

Ok, first time poster, here it goes:

Here's a link from the USM AD about Fedora: http://www.southernmiss.com/genrel/113011aaa.html

I'm a Southern Miss grad living in Lawrence so this has been interesting to watch. I think USM will make a play to keep him, but it seems to me from talking with my friends in Hattiesburg that everyone feels like it's a forgone conclusion that he will leave. There's no way Southern puts up KU kind of money. They just don't have it.

Fedora's done a great job, but it should be noted that he took over a winning program and did not have to rebuild. Southern used to play much tougher schedules in the late 90's. Alabama was on the schedule every single year. He was VERY close to having two undefeated seasons. His lose margins are ridiculously low.

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

ignore him.. he's known to troll the boards...

manginodrh00lz 10 years, 10 months ago

Pardon my partner - he's upset at the whole Leach thing. He's an analytical type; not very sociable but can take a problem and figure out how to make it work. I like Fedora and think he's a viable option.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Honestly, that's one of the reasons im not completely sold on Fedora. I don't watch your games, so im not as educated on his style of play. But he has taken over, and has done well, but this is the first year they really have improved. What year is this for him?

goldeneagle31 10 years, 10 months ago

I believe this is year four, so what you see now is one full recruiting class. I think Fedora would do as well as anyone at KU. I just think that the previous coach, Jeff Bower doesn't get enough credit for laying the foundation that Fedora's built on. Bower had 4 C-USA championships, Fedora 0.

That said, Fedora could have gone in and screwed up a winning tradition, but he kept it going and now their playing Houston for the conference championship.

He's also able to recognize talent. Their starting QB Austin Davis was a walk-on and Fedora had the brains and the balls to name him the starter. It's going to take that kind of talent recognition to win at KU. By the way, Southern Miss is always the first team in my heart, but I've fully embraced KU as well. Rock Chalk!

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Okay, I was thinking year 3 or 4. I do like how with his guys, they have gone to the championship. Are they spread based? Or more balanced attack? He has a solid record, and if some how he beats U of H, The offers will start flying in.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

Our likely three to be interviewed only has one legit candidate and that is Brent Venables.

Sumlin, didn't we just go through a mediocre coach from a small college? Are we going to saddle up Brett Favre?

Stoops is only mentioned because of his name, but lets be honest, he has been bounced as a DC from college to college for the past few years.

I hope we start over with the names, keep Venables on the list, but let's get some real names on it. Additionally, the second tier names, like Dykes, Doeren, and Calhoun have shown they can do mediocre in bad conferences.

Only one of the six names is even decent, but again no head coaching experience.

Brandon Pope 10 years, 10 months ago

I need to create a new account called the "Anti-manginorh00lz" He is a nice guy but rather than being sardonic about everything that is said on this site he tries listening quietly every once in a while.

manginodrh00lz 10 years, 10 months ago

You rang? Do not berate us sir or you will be manginoed!

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Of the six coaches listed in Matt recent blog posting, I'd rank as follows:

Top Tier:Fedora and Dykes- Good experience and Texas ties and have done well in their head coaching assignments

2nd tier: Stoops and Venebles- I can't say I'm all that excited about picking anyone from the Stoops coaching tree, but I like going after a defensive guy

3rd tier: Calhoun and Doeren- I'd forget about it. I don't even know why Doeren is on the list. He has coached one year at a MAC school. He inherited a QB who may be drafted in the NFL and kept the team competitive. It doesn't appear any defense is played in the MAC

Granitestatah 10 years, 10 months ago

Explain to me again what on Sonny Dykes resume other than son of Spike Dykes gets you so excited?

He is 13-11 at Louisiana Tech with Derek Dooley's recruits. I understand the Texas ties bit but his head coaching experience is a mixed bag at a non-bcs conference.

Didn't we just hire a guy who was a near .500 coach at a non bcs conference with Texas ties?

manginodrh00lz 10 years, 10 months ago

Could be an opportunity. Kind of like the opportunity you saw to ride the bench for Terry Allen.

Jeffery Barrett 10 years, 10 months ago

Leach to WSU. Best news I've heard in a long time!

ahpersecoachingexperience 10 years, 10 months ago

I know of a guy that is avaiable that has taken a program similar to our's all the way to an orange bowl and won it. I know people think it's crazy but his resume is head and shoulders above anyone else on this list.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 10 months ago

The dumbing down of America has occurred in part because so many people form opinions based upon a limited amount of facts. This discussion board has some very compelling examples.

Kirk 10 years, 10 months ago

Yeah, message boards are where many people make stupid assumptions and baseless assertions and stuff. Check. Not sure this should be considered representative of the universe.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 10 months ago

Representative of the universe? Most likely not. I'm just crossing my fingers its not representative of the overall Jayhawk Nation either.

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

He makes more money at SMU than Turner Gill made at KU

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

So... what does he make? If we can throw away 2MM to TG, KU can pay JJ 2.5MM or 2.75MM

Ashwin Rao 10 years, 10 months ago

This just in... Zenger has decided to coach the FB team. Zenger feels that with his experience he will be better than all the non-Leach coaches that are currently available.... (OK, I am just kidding!)

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

You forgot about being left out of conference realignment

lv_jhwk 10 years, 10 months ago

Having grown up in NW KS myself, I know what it can do to a person. Luckily I got away before the effects became permanent.

HfH, I suggest you do the same. At least long enough that a ranked team isn't mediocre to you.

lv_jhwk 10 years, 10 months ago

Both pleased and sorry to hear that, if that's possible.

Omari Miller 10 years, 10 months ago

KU's private jet flew to a small airport near Evanston, IL this morning, stay for just an hour and came back to Lawrence. Now, a flight plan has been filed that has the jet going back to Chicago. Who got picked up today? Pat Fitzgerald?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N100KU

JayDocMD 10 years, 10 months ago

I have faith in Zenger and I was never sure of the Leach thing - too much baggage - all I know is this better not be Dave Doeren. (N Illinois is just ~ 1hour from Chicago.) That would be extremely disappointing.

Stan Unruh 10 years, 10 months ago

Agreed JayDocMD Hope it's Fitzgerald. He is a super young coach. His boys whipped Pelini and the Huskers in Lincoln last month.

JayDocMD 10 years, 10 months ago

Re: Fitzgerald... don't know much about him, but sounds like a good candidate. Good enough that Michigan was interested before hiring Hoke (see below.)

It sounds like he may be content at what he considers "home." Downside would be no Texas recruiting inroads - but the right asst coach(es) could fix that.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/news/story?id=5996717

Robert Brown 10 years, 10 months ago

Fitzgerald would be an interesting hire. He's only making $800K per year. Northwestern was OK before he took over and he has sustained that.

I would prefer him to most of the top six candidate that Matt mentioned earlier.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

Please shoot me now.

18-11 in a horrible conference. Mangino beat USM.

Mediocre offense and defense in a horrible league.

Can we stop going after mediocre college coaches?

three2b 10 years, 10 months ago

Great post with the article....I will say I have wanted Venables since this whole process began

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 10 months ago

I've got a bad feeling whenever they pick the next coach, we're all going to be here asking "Who the hell is this guy?"

justinryman 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt I am sure that your ear is on fire and your cell batteries running extremely low as you are working the phones, twitter, emails, and other news sources about all this coaching hunt for KU and the other schools as well.

And for that we thank you!!!!

Just keep the updates coming.

Thanks!!!

hailtoku 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt,

I love the optimism. But, don't you think that after spending millions on the remander of the Gill's contract, hiring another hopeful, hail mary hire like the coach from So. Miss or any other up-and-comer is just a huge waste of money?

I was a huge anti-Gill guy from day 1 but even I would say anything short of a big name hire is just going to be a waste of money. I would rather give Gill a couple more years than to spend all that money just to hire another Turner Gill.

I think the name of the game with this hire is "creating a buzz". We need a guy who is going to spark this program and the fans into believing.

TKHAWK 10 years, 10 months ago

The big reason Leavitt was axed from the list is that it was assumed the Jayhawks would not be interested in someone who could be tied up with the NFL through the playoffs. I don't see that as a deal breaker. Now his past behavior as USF could break the deal, but I get the sense that Leavitt is still on the table, and the Jayhawks announcing a new head coach who won't formally take the wheel until after the NFL playoffs doesn't seem like it would scare off any recruits.

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Further to your comment, I believe KU only has 12-15 scholarships to offer this year anyway and at least have been awarded, so we probably have less than ten open spots.

Benjamin Piehler 10 years, 10 months ago

Hey Matt, Does the ESPN Insider Article give any explanation for why we are at the bottom of the list? (Not surprising, but I still am curious.)

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

Here it is, verbatim (in brackets):

[Kansas Jayhawks: The stadium and facilities at KU need upgrades, and the fact that Turner Gill went from one of the hottest coaching prospects in the nation to unemployed after just two seasons in Lawrence likely will serve as a cautionary tale for coaches interested in taking the job.]

In other words, it comes off as a bit ignorant. Sure, the track makes Memorial Stadium look outdated, but KU's facilities just underwent pretty substantial upgrades in 2010. Calling us out for needing facilities improvements is idiotic.

He then goes on to talk about Turner Gill as "one of the hottest coaching prospects in the nation". Um... I remember that line being fed to us by the KU administration, but I don't seem to remember anyone from the national media talking about KU's hire in a way that made Gill seem like a great up-and-coming find.

It looks to me like he really doesn't know anything about the Kansas football job, but he had to write something to support the answers he received from the "handful of current and former collegiate coaches and ESPN analysts" he supposedly polled.

Either way, I don't think you can use Huard's article to take anything meaningful about the relative rankings of the schools. For all we know he asked 10 ESPN employees and 1 active coach. Personally, I don't give a crap what an undefined, random number of nobodies think about the relative appeal of vacant coaching jobs. I would find an article written with a level comparison of program pros and cons, even if only one person's opinion, to be far more interesting and informative. At least that way I can read and evaluate the writer's personal pros/cons and form an opinion.

ja3hawk 10 years, 10 months ago

That last post by Matt really pisses me off. Not at Matt but at Brock Huard. Perception is everything. Once these writers start writing this crap and everyone believes it, it makes KU an even hard place to attract a coach to. Everyone welcome Doeren as our new coach... ugh

eastcoasthawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Thanks for the latest update Matt. We had to beg money to hire a consultant? Isn't that just going to make the process take longer when other schools are taking action? I'm thinking we should have done that 2 weeks ago just in case. Hell, maybe the consultant will be Perkins and he will be pushing a HC that just became available and we can get him cheap because he just walked away from a school that gave him 6M.

Matt Tait 10 years, 10 months ago

No begging involved... A donor offered to pay for it and it would be stupid to turn that down. All hands on deck. The more help you get the FASTER this thing can go. Make sense?

hailtoku 10 years, 10 months ago

I don't think you can blame leach for this move.

If we matched what WSU offered him, WSU is the better move. A more stable conference at a program with equal expectations.

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt- Thanks for posting the ESPN Insider rankings of open BCS coaching jobs.

I would probably have listed KU as 5th or 6th, ahead of WSU and on par with Mississippi. Arizona State and Illinois are two historically underachieving programs that have huge potentials.

hailtoku 10 years, 10 months ago

You think KU is on par with Arizona State and Ole Miss?

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

I do not. I think KU is on par with Mississippi and above Washington State. I think Arizona State and Illinois have a huge upside and I would have put them 1 and 2 on the list of seven schools. UNC and UCLA would have been the next two ahead of KU.

trey 10 years, 10 months ago

This Leach news is bad news, but unfortunately not unexpected. My bet is we're going to end up with a coach that's perceived (and maybe in reality) our 5th or 6th choice. Doesn't mean it won't work out in long run, but national and KU fan perception won't be good. I'm betting it's Doeren. We have a lot working against us...

First, the perception of the KU job has absolutely tanked in the last two years. I don't think folks realize how bad Turner Gill was, AND the poor shape he's left our program. We've been a laughingstock. And despite what you hear, we DON'T have talent. TGill was NOT some great recruiter (vs Big12 standards). Even with the 7 losses in a row during Mangino's last year, our program had a far better perception then. Turner absolutely killed us.

Second, our AD is small-time. I'm not trying to run him down, but the facts are he was our 2nd choice at best (Bubba was #1 and now at NC). His resume is Asst Football Coach at K-State, Wyoming, S. Fla. And AD at Illinois State. Probably a good guy, hard worker, very rah-rah. But not big-time. Doubt he's all that connected to pull-in top guy. Hope I'm wrong.

Third, we are still seen as "at risk" in conference realignment. If the Big12 blows up in 5-6 years, which is very possible, there is a big question mark on where KU may end up. Again, TGill has hurt us bad in just 2 years.

Bottom line, I'm still thrilled that we fired Gill. He was the most imcompetent coach I've ever seen. Anyone will be better, though we better get our program in order VERY quickly. For me... I don't want Stoops, mixed feelings on Fedora, and likely won't get either even if we want them. Get used to the idea of Doeren. At least he has roots here.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

We finished 34th in recruiting a year ago, I would say we have some talent.

Kent Wells 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, why isn't Penn State on the list????

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt, ESPN does some pretty bad reporting. In this case Brock Huard's brother actually attended and played for North Carolina. I don't think that was reported in the article, which clearly is biased.

Keep up your honest reporting.

Can you also have Zenger get some good names on his list? i hate hearing about mid-tier conference coaches that are lackluster, like Sumlin and Fedora.

Ethan Berger 10 years, 10 months ago

Well that's what we are going to get. A lot of the great coaches get their start because of the mid tier conf. (Urban Myer)

Kirk 10 years, 10 months ago

I'd rank ASU first also, but most the others I'd place on the same level, maybe half a notch below.

None of those jobs is elite.

Bruce Janssen 10 years, 10 months ago

Sheahon Zenger: Bringing all the competence to his job that Steve Pederson brought to Nebraska.

"Anybody would be better than Turner Gill"?

Hold on tight, gang, you're about to find out just what that means.

Mangino_Maniac 10 years, 10 months ago

Hi Matt... Has anyone mentioned Paul Chryst @ Wisconsin? I think he will be an excellent head coach some day, and perhaps that day is now at KU.

LSHawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Anyone ranking the WSU job ahead of KU is a total idiot. Pullman is in the middle of nowhere and the step child of the PAC 12. Everyone needs to just calm down, Leach wasnt the only quality name out there.

Ashwin Rao 10 years, 10 months ago

It is kinda frustrating that writing was on the wall for quite some time now, and it almost seems like the actual search began after the firing. We are losing a lot of momentum, and because we waited for such a long time, we are now in the thick of the competition, trying to woo away the same bunch of coaches. Granted that it would have been disrespectful to start the search even when Gill was the coach... it is still frustrating.

David Meredith 10 years, 10 months ago

If Fedora wants to come to KU, they should offer him the job... just my opinion.

Endo 10 years, 10 months ago

Too bad Leach weenied out and went to the Pac12.

truman 10 years, 10 months ago

Leach has baggage and is a bit of a crazy. This is not the end of the football world.

rob4lb 10 years, 10 months ago

I agree that everyone needs to calm down. In reality, we are going to get someone who is a current head coach of a mid-major program or a coordinator from a big time program. That is what the job will draw. Certainly Leach was obtainable because of his past, but he made his decision.

The key is to make sure the right guy is picked. Unfortunately whoever is picked will have a similar resume that Turner Gill had when he was picked as KU's coach. We have to trust the process and Zenger to pick the right coach.

orbiter 10 years, 10 months ago

we didn't get one coach who alienated boosters, seems half-crazy, but had some great offenses to come to our basketball school. let's all kill ourselves.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

I think we can all agree that anyone with the name "Brock" is a buffoon.

He ranked UNC as the best available job. Strike 1

He is clearly ignorant to the fact that Kansas underwent a pretty major facilities upgrade in 2010 and rivals any program not in the upper echelon of cfball. Strike 2.

His rationale for why a job is good or bad changes depending on the school. Strike 3.

If it's any consolation to KU fans, the message board is also taking Brock to task for being an uninformed tool.

question4u 10 years, 10 months ago

"I think we can all agree that anyone with the name 'Brock' is a buffoon."

I'm not sure whether you meant to include Brock Bergland. If not, an apology might be a good idea.

Terry Sexton 10 years, 10 months ago

message kurtis at 810 radio. it's not in the intertubes? John Hadl might know.

Endo 10 years, 10 months ago

Is Jack Del Rio even a remote possibility?

hawksfanatic 10 years, 10 months ago

Matt: Will Zenger comment on any of the stuff that's going on? Now that we've lost Leach, and all of us are sitting on pins and needles, can we have some confirmation that the AD is out there doing what he can to snag the best coach possible. Can't he speak up? The suspense is killing me. I'm tired of KU being the B12 doormat.

Marc Frey 10 years, 10 months ago

I would agree that there are 3 or 4 schools that are a better coaching gig than at KU. So no suprise the Leach is gone. Since Gill got two years to turn things around, and that fact that we go through football head coaches on a regular basis, it may take a month of two to get a coach willing to come to KU.

jay381 10 years, 10 months ago

View from sportscasters in another region. While reading the LJW I was listening to one of the Memphis sports stations earlier. They felt Old Miss would not be a good place for a Sumlin or a Fedora (names thrown around here) principally because of the competitiveness of the SEC West. Their point was with the exception of someone named Manning there is very little hope for Old Miss to even be in the top half of the West Division of the SEC not named AL, LA, AR or Auburn. Old Miss has been a graveyard for coaches for years.

KS has at least had some successful coaches that have gone elsewhere. I have been to games at both facilities and I would give the edge with the new improvements to KU. Both of the campuses are ascetically at the top of the league although The Grove at Old Miss is neat on game day.

With Leach out of the mix I sure would like to see serious consideration of Fedora. I think we could be competitive or exceed Old Miss is that is the competitive school. Obviously So Miss is going to try to retain him. I realize C-USA is a second tier league at best; however, the offenses he ran for 3 years in the Big 12 were not against second tier defenses.

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

He spent 10 years at TTU, if he wanted to go he could have.

Sparko 10 years, 10 months ago

It is hard to see this as anything but a botched and late-to-need hiring process. I said that Gill should be fired sooner to steal a march on the likely competition, and I was right. Wish Zenger had understood this.

Sam Constance 10 years, 10 months ago

It's hard to see this as anything but an uninformed and I-have-no-basis-for-my-information-but-I'm-upset-and-need-to-blame-someone commenting process.

Zenger knows Leach personally. Assuming that Leach was truly at the top of Zenger's list (another piece of speculation), you're a fool to believe that he hadn't had any contact or conversations with him prior to Gill's actual firing. At that point, you're not questioning Zenger's ability to be a good AD, you're questioning his baseline intelligence and ability to comprehend even the most simplistic topics. It's his first BCS-level AD job. Not his first year on Earth. Good lord.

The presumptions and arrogance of some fans are just mind-boggling to me: "We didn't get the 'top choice' coach that I wanted, so I must be smarter than our AD, who can't understand basic concepts like the advantages to be gained from starting early on a project"

Sparko 10 years, 10 months ago

And your basis for these arguments? Kansas lost out to a pathetic Washington State. They somehow told everyone who they wanted, and had closure on the process in under 48-hours.

TXBBall55 10 years, 10 months ago

The decision to not fire Gill earlier will haunt Zenger forever.

Sparko 10 years, 10 months ago

And that is the key point. Arizona looks brilliant by comparison. Zenger is just slow, period. The conference almost imploded on him as well. This "quiet" cr@p is become more than annoying. Washington State was pretty darned brash.

buckleyhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

My 2 cents on best jobs which is worth, well, 2 cents...

ASU UCLA UNC WSU KU Illinois Ole Miss

I think Ole Miss has to be the worst of the 7. How and when are they ever going to be competitive in the SEC West? Same applies, to a lesser extent, to KU and Illinois.

ASU is, like everyone says, a sleeping giant, and in the 4th best conference. UCLA is a big school with lots of resources sitting in the middle of LA, in the 4th best conference. UNC is another big, attractive school in an even more winnable conference. Frankly Wazzu and KU are about the same in my book, though KU might have a little bit more going for it in that it's not in the middle of nowhere and isn't 2nd fiddle in its own state (speaking broadly of course, not just about football).

Robert Brown 10 years, 10 months ago

I'm sure alot of SEC fans would argue with you. The Big 12 has some good coaches: Stoops, Brown, Snyder. Gundy and Patterson have had some sustained success. Tuberville has a track record and Holgerson (WV) and Briles are offensive gurus. Paul Rhodes is getting alot of accolades.

Clarence Haynes 10 years, 10 months ago

Nice ladies at Ole Miss who still dress up on game day!

Stan Unruh 10 years, 10 months ago

A couple of years before he was ousted at TT, Leach interviewed @ Univ. Washington ....and either they didn't offer or he decided to stay in Lubbock. Until he has signed the contract, KU is still in the running. Heck, Dr. Z might introduce the new coach at half time tonight?

Terry Sexton 10 years, 10 months ago

Really, you don't like the uni's? I think they look good, just need the players' names on 'em.

Lance Cheney 10 years, 10 months ago

Can't say I love 'em, especially the white on white on white...

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

Please just put me out of my misery...this list sucks, and it starts at the top.

Justin LoBurgio 10 years, 10 months ago

Tait, If Fedora is our #1 right now, would we have to wait until after their bowl, per their ad's comments? Is KU willing to wait like that?

Tony Bushard 10 years, 10 months ago

Nebraska didn't wait until after the season to make the Pelini announcement in 2007. He accepted the job and still coached for LSU in the national championship. Granted, he was an assistant coach, but I believe there are precedents for head coaches too.

Brad Potter 10 years, 10 months ago

This just in: tyshawn dribbled off his leg. This also just in: KU has been in steep rapid decline ever since the fat man lost his coordinators. We have been fumbling through the last few years when it was as important as ever to be at least average at football. A crook lynched a competent man and hired an incompetent man to lead us through the realignment mess that has yet to completely unfold. I hope zenger has a trick up his sleeve or KU is destined for third tier mediocrity.

Side note: zenger looks like a guy who enjoys a stiff drink or 11 Side side note: I have a boil on my neck Side side side note: tyshawn just dribbled off his knee

sevenyearhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Tait, check your facebook messages ...

sevenyearhawk 10 years, 10 months ago

Mr. Tait, check your facebook messages ...

David Atchley 10 years, 10 months ago

Kansas needs to take the attitude towards its hire much like a Texas, or Oklahoma or Oklahoma State would approach it. Do you really think some of these names would be on their radar. Kansas has to get this hire correct. They've simply fallen way behind the rest of the Conference in every category, and has to bring in someone that can accelerate the process.

Kevin Sumlin is a name I keep seeing and he's had a great season this year, but the team, including the quarterback, was all players recruited and signed by Art Briles, before he left for the Baylor job. Sumlin is in an inferior Conference and has a very good quarterback, maybe one of the best. However, I am more interested in seeing if Sumlin can catch the proverbial lightning in a bottle "2" years in a row.

A "Art Briles" type hire would be found in the likes of a Chad Morris at Clemson and I would take Bobby Jack Wright at OU before I would take anyone else from the Stoops coaching tree. BJW "is" Oklahoma recruiting in Texas the past 10 years, and could bring that pipeline to Kansas. Briles Morris and BJW all have many years of recruiting and high school coaching success in Texas.

Jack McEnaney 10 years, 10 months ago

How bout we change from Mangino to Mangini? Eric Mangini knows defense, isn't working right now except for ESPN, and is intreseted in coaching again. Would he be someone KU would want? I figure the name recognition would go a long way with the youth we are trying to recruit, plus who knows defense better than Belichick's pupil? He could even bring Josh McDaniels as Offensive Coordinator. That would be wild? The only connection would be the both come from the Parcells tree and he went to Wichita State, which is more or less KU south right?

Jeff Coffman 10 years, 10 months ago

WAsn't Mangini fired because he sucked? And wasn't McDaniels fired twice because he really sucked? Just because they coached in the NFL, doesn't mean they are any good.

David Atchley 10 years, 10 months ago

See...Bill Callahan, The "Sherminator" at A&M.

Mike Barnhart 10 years, 10 months ago

<p>FlightAware.com is awesome.

Anyone notice the flight from the Florida Keys that landed in Lawrence late Sunday night. It returned to the Keys at noon on Tuesday. Coulda' been trying to hammer out a deal with Leach before moving on to other candidates.

Jon Kirby reported that Zenger left KU this morning and said he didn't know when he'd be back in Lawrence. Well, the KU jet went to Chicago, back to Lawrence for a few hours, then back to Chicago. Can we assume someone was picked up from and returned to Chicago after visiting KU for a few hours?

Brad Swisher 10 years, 10 months ago

Just curious if Nolan Cromwell has been in the discussion as HC.

AcesWild 10 years, 10 months ago

oh boy maybe stoops can take us to bcs bowl arizona flordia state or that clown ad kansas is ou going to fire yinables

what a list .what the big 12 ksu did not want ku hire leach

AcesWild 10 years, 10 months ago

oh boy maybe stoops can take us to bcs bowl arizona flordia state or that clown ad kansas is ou going to fire yinables

what a list .what the big 12 ksu did not want ku hire leach

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