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Tyrel Reed top Jayhawk against Kansas State

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1. Tyrel Reed: Took it to the hoop with relentless drives, scored 14 points, dished four assists and produced three steals.

2. Brady Morningstar: Made 2 of 4 three-point shots, had three assists and two steals. Couldn’t stop Jacob Pullen when he guarded him but nobody could.

3. Mario Little: Took some bad shots, but at least he took it to the defense aggressively and led the team with five rebounds, three on the offensive boards.

4. Marcus Morris: Had 13 points, three rebounds and three steals, but somehow his four turnovers were more memorable.

5. Travis Releford: KU could have done without him shooting a three-pointer when it had drawn within 37-31.

6. Tyshawn Taylor: Rough night featured six turnovers, one assist and multiple burn marks from Jacob Pullen’s drives to the hoop.

7. Elijah Johnson: Bad turnover when it was 37-31, but that error paled in comparison to him trash-talking after his dunk with 5:55 left, which drew a technical-foul whistle.

8. Jeff Withey: Backed up twice when he could have taken charges.

9. Josh Selby: Made 1 of 6 shots on a tough night to try to knock off rust.

10. Markieff Morris: Second intentional foul in three games put an end to his first-half action and he finished the night with three points and not a single rebound in 20 minutes.

The Keegan Ratings: Season Standings
1. Marcus Morris (211 points)
2. Markieff Morris (194 points)
3. Tyshawn Taylor (170 points)
4. Tyrel Reed (152 points)
5. Brady Morningstar (148 points)
6. Thomas Robinson (146 points)
7. Travis Releford (92 points)
8. Josh Selby (91 points)
9. Mario Little (89 points)
10. Elijah Johnson (75 points)
11. Jeff Withey (51 points)
12. Royce Woolridge (5 points)

The Keegan Ratings: Big 12 standings
1. Marcus Morris (94 points)
2. Brady Morningstar (82 points)
3. Markieff Morris (78 points)
4. Tyrel Reed (70 points)
5. Tyshawn Taylor (61 points)
6. Mario Little (55 points)
7. Thomas Robinson (52 points)
8. Josh Selby (44 points)
9. Elijah Johnson (25 points)
T10. Travis Releford (21 points)
T10. Jeff Withey (18 points)
12. Royce Woolridge (1 point)

Comments

CBaller13 11 years, 10 months ago

Not really sure why Tyshawn isn't 10th. He was horrible.

ralphralph 11 years, 10 months ago

He DID get an education from Pullen, and reverted in his play by hurrying passes (and decisions), but ... he didn't melt down the way he might have in the past. Even though things were not going well, he kept pushing and working and trying, and didn't revert to whining or thugging.

Tough night for Tyshawn, but a real good sign in how he handled it.

Ann Oneill 11 years, 10 months ago

I don't feel like he was trying too hard. I remember a couple of loose balls, where he stood and watched and waited for someone else to go after them. When his pocket was picked he stood and looked at the bench, (like that could help?) I think TT needs to spend some time on the bench to reflect on his play. That lit a fire under him last year. Play Sleeves or EJ at the point, and have TT sub in.

Dillon Davis 11 years, 10 months ago

These upperclassmen are completely different than the 08 juniors and seniors. We will not go past sweet 16. Mark it down. No one on this team can step up and just take over a game like Sherron did, or the way any of the starting 5 from the 08 team did.

JRandall 11 years, 10 months ago

U r completely right. There is also no one to put guys into check when the lose their composure. How many T's is self going to let the morris twins get for just really stupid actions. They have developed reputations for playing dirty and talking trash... in the past, KU has had a leader that would not put up with that. Cole and Sherron kept the twins in check last year. They would not have tolerated Selby's pouting, Taylors constant bad decisions and now, Mario thinks he is the number one option for scoring and can't pass. They need a leader. Unfortunately, their leader are leading by example this year, bad examples. Brady and Tyrel r the only level headed guys that give 100% and they r trying to keep it together, but I guess since they were not 5 star recruits, they don't carry the prestige. This team is doomed for another NIA type of defeat if this continues.

zturner29 11 years, 10 months ago

Sherron tried to take over the game against UNI last year and failed...

LAJayhawk 11 years, 9 months ago

Well said. What is the term Bill Self has for it, bad possession scorer? Can't remember the term, but he's the type of guy who can get a shot off in any circumstance when you need it. Still don't understand why so many choose to slam on Sherron. Certainly he made mistakes (what player doesn't??), but he won us FAR more games than he lost. Far, far more. And by win I mean we don't get a W at all if Sherron is not on the floor.

Yes, he had bad plays, but that comes with the territory. You take the bad with the good with any player, and in Sherron's case the bad was just more obvious.

The good, on the other hand, was absolutely insane.

zturner29 11 years, 10 months ago

tyshawn was terrible but I think Keegan got this right. You cant say that rest of the guys ranked below tyshawn played better than him. They all sucked.

Can't believe Reed was the only guy really attacking the rim with success. Too many egos on this team sometimes. Pointing fingers and complaining way too much on the court. Its all going to come down to T-rob being healthy and TT playing well in the tourney. I'm not worried about the morris twins.

CBaller13 11 years, 10 months ago

Tyshawn made one good play. He was also torched for 38 points and turned it over 6 times. He was HORRIBLE. Might have been the worst performance by a Kansas guard that I have ever seen. Pullen made him look like his kid sister.

justanotherfan 11 years, 10 months ago

Tyshawn wasn't the only one attempting to guard Pullen. He got lit up when he was on him, but nobody really ever put the brakes on Pullen last night.

KU lacks a defensive stopper. There's no other way to put it. They don't have one, and it was obvious they don't have one last night. And don't say that Brady is a defensive stopper, because if that were true, Self would've put Brady on Pullen halfway through the first half and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But Brady barely faced Pullen. Tyshawn got beat. EJ got beat. Tyrel probably did the best job, and he only got a couple possessions on Pullen. We just didn't have an answer. If Selby or Releford were 100%, I would have liked to have seen them, but with their ankle/foot issues, I don't think they could have done any better last night.

KU has a lot of average to good defenders, but not a single great defender, and that is costly when someone like Pullen is going crazy and you don't have anybody that can cool him off.

cueball 11 years, 9 months ago

well said cballer, tt is a terrible pg and should be coming off the bench , but only after were up by 30!!

JRandall 11 years, 10 months ago

TT is not the only problem, but he is by far the worst point guard in Kansas recent history. He has been a head case from day one at KU and has never matured out of it. He got torched by Pullen, flat and simple. Pullen made him look like he was a point guard for the lady hawks.

Hank Cross 11 years, 10 months ago

Tyrel and Mario are the only ones who deserve to be ranked. The rest are tied for last. Twins - sulking, turnovers, stupid fouls. Brady - completely useless on offense in second half except for one shot. Travis - horrible shooting. TT - careless turnovers. Selby - MIA.

Gregor Southard 11 years, 10 months ago

agreed. Keegan should have left the first 8 spots vacated

rockingthechalk 11 years, 9 months ago

Yeah nobody except Reed played well. Mario played good but he took a few bad shots. Of course I think he was just trying to get something going so I can't really blame him. But the rest of the team was just awful. No focus anywhere.

Carolyn Hunzicker 11 years, 10 months ago

Bill had you ready ?????????????????????????????????????

Carolyn Hunzicker 11 years, 10 months ago

Bill had you ready ?????????????????????????????????????

John Randall 11 years, 9 months ago

Some days, it is themselves they are full of. Other days, -- I think it's called irregularity . . .

rockchalkfz33 11 years, 10 months ago

We needed to lose that. I love KU and want some positivity from our fans :) 5 losses in 64 tries isn't bad. Be happy everyone. We are a great team that needed a beat down to get stuff back flowing before tourny time. This offense at it's best can beat anyone and will. Rock chalk :) be happy!

Scott Smetana 11 years, 10 months ago

I think most of us here think we've got a great team. I'd like to think we're not too spoiled to be OK with a good team and admit we're not going to have a team like '08 every year. I think the twins will be great come tourney time, especially when backed up by TRob. However, I've never seen such inept play at point guard. I don't know that we have any other options. Taylor will clearly let us down in the future. Can Brady play point?

LAJayhawk 11 years, 9 months ago

Agree. Self loves combo guards and for good reason. But he might seriously take a look at recruiting pure point guards. We really could use an Aaron Miles type who just takes care of the ball.

actorman 11 years, 10 months ago

The overall record is still great, and I realize that this was just one of those games that you can often write off as a fluke. The problem is that we've seen all of these things happen over and over. Just because the problems haven't been as extreme and haven't cost them games doesn't mean that you can overlook them. How many times have they exhibited the same lack of maturity and focus? How many times have they just completely wasted possessions for no reason whatsoever? I hope they will learn from this humiliation, but I'm really not sure at this point.

LAJayhawk 11 years, 9 months ago

One of the big differences I noticed last night was that they just didn't go after it. Any of it. Boards, the basket, defense, and, worst of all, loose balls. I saw so many loose balls they we gave up on without even trying to make a go for it. Taylor specifically, but I saw it from almost everyone on the floor.

We just weren't engaged last night in any form. It was extremely frustrating and rather sad.

fansincewilt 11 years, 10 months ago

The twins are not as good under tough times. They have excellent skills but are not as mentally tough as they need to be. Taylor just seems to go berserk during tough times. I hope Self has an answer. With Robinson hurt, I think our vulnerability just got exposed. If he had been there last night to bail out the twins things would have been different. I don't think I realized how much they leaned on him until last night. They were totally lost without him. On another note: Reed is a tough gutsy guy. He is playing hurt. I hope Selby takes a lesson from him and steps up with all that talent he has. Selby needs to get his eyes off of Marcus and onto Reed. Right now the twins are not good role models for any young player.

Robert Lofthouse 11 years, 10 months ago

the wheels came off last night as most everyone has said.. they just need to get their heads right back in to elite basketball - what we saw last night was horrible - back up, reload and learn some important lessons for the rest of this season.

I continue to be impressed with Tyrel. That young man was trying to will the team to victory. Very impressed. Over the course of the season he may be the most important Jayhawk on the floor - night after night...and he's not a head-case.

John Randall 11 years, 9 months ago

Yeah, they did - have to tighten some lug nuts, maybe rethread a couple.

Tyrel is one in a million. He makes up for a lot of bone-headedness from other players, who don't even realize how often they are being bailed out. It may be too late for him to assert leadership no one has yet shown.

With the least raw talent on our team, he pushes himself relentlessly to keep up and then pushes even more to surpass what small part of their talent others manage to apply to team accomplishments.

I'm not down on individual players. Every one is trying, at least most of the time, to focus themselves on the small things you have to base the large results on. As I relate their 'brain farts' to my own experience with Attention Deficit Disorder (not diagnosed until age 48), I empathize completely with the four or five players who 'zone out' and am gratified much of the time when they 'get a grip' for a while. I really admire coach Self's handling of these guys, even when it gets to the point of adopting Jim Boeheim's tactic of folding arms, sitting back and letting them get their asses handed to them once in a while, just to reinforce what they all know already – the Self way is the best way, it just isn't the easiest way.

Robert Brock 11 years, 10 months ago

Tyrel played his heart out. I'm sorry that several of his teammates didn't seem to have the "wont to" that is necessary to win on the road against a difficult and inspired opponent.

ralphralph 11 years, 10 months ago

Reed does that every moment of every game. Doesn't matter if they're up 20, down 20, or tied. He is out there to play ball, and plays 100%. K-State defense denied him his usual 3-pt looks, so he made his own looks. Proud of him ... and the contrast was a little striking between his effort and attitude versus that of some of his mates.

xfitter 11 years, 10 months ago

Ok, had Trob been available last night he would have been whistled for 2 fouls in the first half as well with the twins, the refs had they're number and our momentum from the opening tip. Fouls called were close to even, however, im personally tired of refs calling fouls on one end for the twins AND Thomas that aren't called on the other end, KSU should have been flagged for twice what they were. Yes the twins are marked men but call the whole game close then not individual players, with refs doing that they miss huge portions of the game they are supposed to watch. EJs technical was bs cause that was and1 anyway by the way the refs had called the game to that point. The technical on 'Kief, someone explain to me how a player can throw an elbow at someone with their left elbow when the other player is coming from the right side? Should have been a blocking foul called, what's more messed up is they reviewed it saw Pullen run into his HAND and called the elbow throw. I think the message has gone through to the twins by the reaction of 'Kief talking to HCBS after he sat down, he was setting a screen and nothing more. What really pissed me off, was the first half Self tries to speak with a ref and you can read the refs lips saying "nope, nope , nope..." with his back to coach, not even attempting to explain anything to a calm coach asking a question. Not to mention Frank Martin could have set multiple picks for his players with as much as he's allowed onto the court while the clock is running. Over with now, I expect to see a hawks team on Saturday, with a GIANT chip on their shoulder that may very well carry through the next 14 possible games. RCJ!!

ralphralph 11 years, 10 months ago

The Morris Twins have EARNED their rep as head-hunting thugs. You don't get the benefit of any doubt after taking the kind of cheap shots at opponents' heads that they've both taken this year.

I blame it on HCBS, especially for not sending Markieff out of the building after he last time, where he hit the guy in the face.

Thugs is thugs. They're branded, and the calls are going to flow on that basis.

eastcoasthawk 11 years, 10 months ago

Not last night they didn't. I agree with xfitter, in the replay Keif had already put his forearm on his defender before Pullen got there and Pullen still pushed his way through the 2 players. Keif did not throw his elbow into Pullen. That was a call of his reputation preceding him.
Something similar happened between Reed and Magruder on an inbounds play. Reed screened Magruder's man and Magruder hit Reed in the face with his hands. Foul. No T or intentional.

While last night was painful, I can only hope that many of our guys learned from the experience and will find better ways to approach future games. Doesn't matter if we are #1 or not. We have a target on us and they have to deal with that every game.

spittage 11 years, 10 months ago

The Twins are not thugs.. The pick wasnt dirty by MK.. Pollen just tried to split the screen and got caught.. They are friends so it wasnt on purpose..

Chris Bruning 11 years, 10 months ago

elijah johnson would have been up there had he not been yanked for one high pass......gotta keep that kid in there Coach Self, he has been hittin some threes and he plays real aggressive. or atleast compared to last year much more aggressive KEEP ELIJAH IN THERE!!!! specially when the others aren't playin for S***

Michael Luby 11 years, 10 months ago

KU got their A$$e$ handed to them last night. There is no other way around it. This team looks to go 13 - 3 in conference play, and probly # 2 or even 3 in the conference behind Texas. Prior comments above in reference to a Team only meeting and the Twins' Mom having a come to jesus with them are mandatory at this point. As well as HCBS using the tape from that horrid game as a huge teaching moment and motivator to respond like men to adversity from here on out or face going home like they did last year, which I know they dont want to do

WDC_Jayhawk 11 years, 10 months ago

I can't really argue with Keegs' ratings here. But a couple of thoughts:

-- It's disturbing when your leading rebounder has only 5 rebounds. And even more so when he's 6'6 and his comrades are 6'10 and up.

-- I think TT had a bad game, but there are a lot of people on these here Internets who won't give him a break at all. They forget that he completely shackled Pullen at Allen Fieldhouse and they forget that he brings things to this team that others do not, particularly his driving game.

-- I agree with whomever made the point about Elijah Johnson. I think that the more time he plays, the better he gets. He made a really, really bad pass -- that play was actually mind numbingly, pick-up-at-the-Y-standard bad -- but he otherwise was one of a handful of players that showed their heart.

-- Thomas Robinson was missed. He is an important player psychologically speaking. When he comes on it calms one of the twins down, normally, and he also brings a physicallity and dunk-happiness that the twins don't really have.

spittage 11 years, 10 months ago

When the KU men are winning everyone is happy and giving praise. As fans we sometimes get spoiled by the winning. They are HUMAN. Just because they lost doesn't mean they are bad players or thugs. I respect the twins because they compete and they dont allow any bs to be talked to them. They are great people on and off the court. When looking at them nobody ever see the positive things they do. For example when some one is on the floor they always extend there hands to help the oppent up. They put in the work everyday to be where they are... People put to much emphasis on one game instead of looking at the long term goal. 1st seed or 8th seed everyone still have the same opportunity to win it.

As for a TT he is a good player.. He a had a very bad game yesterday.. He is just as important to the team success as everybody else on the team. Anybody would love to have him on there team. Sharron had bad games last yr.. I think ku fans need to cut him a break. He guarded one of the best scorers in the big 12. You cant stop a great scorer every night. Did anybody give him credit when he locked him down at AFH. ITS ALWAYS EASY TO POINT OUT THE BAD.

Greg Lux 11 years, 10 months ago

When the Big 12's leading rebounder gets ZERO rebounds in 20 minutes it speaks volumes to a huge ego problem ... He got a bad call ( OK a VERY BAD call ) ( SportsCenter proved it ). But you don't stop playing the game. You don't sell out your teammates and your fans. Your a man. You suck it up and deal with it later. Right now there is a basketball game going on and your team needs you. You quit .. You are so much better then to let a bad call take you totally out of the game. You made a mistake and its over ... do us all a favor and don't let it happen again. We are your best fans you know. Honor your teammates, coaches and fans with your best effort. Always. Every minute you are in the game.

Rock Chalk

KU_FanSince75 11 years, 9 months ago

What was unreal was the fact that Tyrel was getting hammered on the inside drives and the officials were sometimes calling the fouls----unbelievable!

dtownhawkfan 11 years, 9 months ago

6 turnovers gets you put last on this list, Tyshawn should not have been that high

spittage 11 years, 9 months ago

Last yrs team also had a better team.. Sharron had a chance to learn behind mario chalmers and russ robinson. Selby been in and out the flow the whole yr. Suspension and injuries plays a big part in his inconsistant play..

shufly 11 years, 9 months ago

Seems to be a common denominator. When Selby is in the game Taylor gets more TO than assists. Maybe it's just me but Taylor's game seems to take a turn for the worst.

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