Josh Selby lives up to hype in opener


1. Josh Selby: From the moment he hit a three-pointer with such beautiful form to the time he hit the game-winning three pointer, Selby never for an instant left the audience asking, “Why all the hype?” He made 5 of 8 three-point shots and all but one of seven free throws for 21 points in 27 minutes. On the downside, he was out of position defensively more than once and had four turnovers. He’s obviously a talented, gutsy player and a great entertainer. 2. Thomas Robinson: Always lends team a tremendous energy boost off the bench. Contributed 10 points, seven boards and a blocked shot, but still looked a little sped up offensively at times and still hasn’t broken from his free-throw shooting slump.

3. Marcus Morris: Made just half his free throws and totaled 11 points and seven rebounds. He made the diagonal pass to the perimeter to Selby for his game-winner and prepared for that during a break in the action, telling him he would be looking for him when he got double-teamed.

4. Markieff Morris: Had some troubles with USC’s physical center Alex Stepheson, but managed to contribute 11 points and eight rebounds and mixed in a couple of nice post feeds. Made all four of his free throws.

5. Brady Morningstar: Didn’t have the smoothest game offensively, but again made key contributions at the other end. Had three steals and played such good defense on USC’s final set play to try to tie or win the game that his man, Jio Fontan, stepped on the out-of-bounds line with the ball in his hands. Morningstar also pitched in with two huge offensive rebounds in the final minutes. He had three on the season coming into the game.

6. Tyrel Reed: Missed both three-point attempts but had five assists and not a single turnover, compared to a combined seven assists and 13 turnovers for the rest of the team.

7. Travis Releford: Got the start, but other than two steals in 15 minutes, didn’t do much.

8. Tyshawn Taylor: Had one assist and six turnovers and scored seven points in his poorest performance of the season.

9. Elijah Johnson: Had a quiet eight minutes.

10. Jeff Withey: Had two boards and a blocked shot in three minutes, but missed both of his free throws.

The Keegan Ratings: Season Standings
1. Marcus Morris (82 points)
2. Tyshawn Taylor (81 points)
3. Markieff Morris (79 points)
4. Thomas Robinson (67 points)
5. Brady Morningstar (51 points)
6. Tyrel Reed (48 points)
7. Travis Releford (41 points)
8. Mario Little (34 points)
9. Elijah Johnson (31 points)
10. Jeff Withey (23 points)
11. Josh Selby (10 points)
12. Royce Woolridge (3 points)

Note: Once Big 12 season begins, both overall and conference Keegan ratings standings will be kept to take into account Selby's late arrival into the rotation.


LAJayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

--Brady's offensive boards were enormous at the end.

--TRob has started to develop consistency which is huge for us.

--TT had a fairly awful game and seemed to lack focus throughout. Hope he shakes that off.

--As for Selby... I mean, come on. Did this kid somehow actually EXCEED expectations? He did force a couple of shots and does still seem to be learning defensively, but still... unbelievable. When he wasn't on the floor, you could tell. We seemed out of sync and lacking motivation offensively. Selby was much more than a spark today... he was pretty much the burning flame.

Jacobpaul81 11 years, 11 months ago

No one was sensational. The team looked terrible. Bad spacing, piss poor passing. It's clear this team is dependent on Taylor playing well. 6 turnovers for TT was just terrible.

  • I don't think any of the guards did a good job passing. Taylor, Selby, Reed, Morningstar. Terrible passing all around.

  • Brady and Tyrel both managed 2 offensive boards. That's a first. In fact, that's Tyrel's first 2 this season. They have GOT to produce in this area for us. I was happy to see that happen. It saved us 4 shots we haven't gotten back in other games.

  • Selby is a scorer. He demonstrated that. He also demonstrated that he's not ready defensively nor prepared for skilled defensive players. He's got skills, but for now, expect him to come off the bench. He's not going to go 5-8 from 3 every night.

Taylor + Selby = 2 Assists, 10 Turnovers. That's rough for our primary ball handlers.

  • TROB was the best player on the court today. And when Newell does his weekly post, he'll have to report that... and I'll enjoy every minute of it. =)

  • Not surprised to see Releford start. HCBS has gotta find someone to defend the 3. Morningstar can give you solid minutes, but he can't be your primary. His contribution on offense is purely spacing, passing and grabbing the occasional O-rebound. HCBS needs a scorer for at least 20 minutes a game who can also defend an opponents 3 (Reed, Selby, Taylor, Johnson can't do it... this is where losing Little really hurts us).

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

Show respect hater or don't post at all. Your insights are, well...ur-der . Put a positive spin on your critiques and your life will improve by leaps and bounds. If you can't show these Jayhawks the respect they deserve than stop posting here. The Dr. don't play, Jacob! Please do stop by the Roach Research Center....I will be more than happy to perform a FREE prostate exam. Is your mind really as simple as your post infers?

John Randall 11 years, 11 months ago

DrR --

You really have such a problem with someone telling it the way it happened?

"Showing respect" is not the same thing as pretending mistakes and lapses never occurred.

The new sensation on the team brings some things that have been sorely needed. He also brings a new dynamic which doesn't necessarily blend seamlessly with the existing chemistry. Smoothing out that blend over the rest of the season is a challenge I'm very eager to watch this great group of players and coaches accomplish.

Rock Chalk! Go 'Hawks!

kranny 11 years, 11 months ago

I agree, Selby was great and hit the big shot but his defense is suspect and actually caused fouls for the others. He needs to move his feet and cut off the drive. Great way to begin his career though.

Lacy Mohler 11 years, 11 months ago

Brady's 2 offensive boards were huge today. The team needs more of the same. Agree with you about Selby, but I liked the joy he showed at finally getting to play--and he wants to be a team player. He should improve quickly.

Don't find your post negative. Think Dr. Roach must do too much self-examination.


Jacobpaul81 11 years, 11 months ago

I agree. Huge. Offensive Rebounds from our 2 and 3 position are going to really be important when we battle teams with bigger players at the 4-5 position. Baylor and A&M are really scary at those spots.

Selby looked like he was having a blast. Very positive. I rarely give a lot of credit to players who score a lot of points as I believe that''s a misleading statistic... and often over praised by "fans". Coach Self called it for what it was in his press conference. He said very similar things to what I have posted above.

I continue to see this team relying heavily upon the Morris twins. 10 turnovers from the lead guards will make the Morris twins less effective. Today the guards failed to get them the ball. The Hawks lucked out that Selby came out hot from 3. That's not always going to happen. So getting the proper court spread, crisper passes, and feeding the Morris twins have got to be a focus... I imagine HCBS will be working them over this week.

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

Your a good example of the need for more stringent controls on prescription drugs. Please refer to step 1.

NJHAWK 11 years, 11 months ago

Great post. Agreed completely. I think that Twins are going to be more productive once opponents start paying attention to Selby.

LAJayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

Addition to Selby:

I chalk it up to the first game, over-excited energy, but he didn't seem to have as much ball control while putting it on the deck as I had hoped. If he settles down and can penetrate... sweet Jesus, look out....

David Reed 11 years, 11 months ago

not too worried about that.he's not much different then our other guards in that aspect.Self even mentioned tht after the Memphis game about Selby being wild and fitting in well

Andrew Moore 11 years, 11 months ago

I think the driving being off was due to his lack of college basketball experience. He'll have to get adjusted to the speed and strength of the players he's driving on before he turns into Derrick Rose or John Wall.

Jake Smucker 11 years, 11 months ago

Can I say this was a much better opener for Selby than Xavier's opener last year? X's 27 pts came in a blowout, but Selby came through when it mattered against a tough opponent. Imagine if he improves throughout the year instead of disappointing late like X did. I can't find a reason not to feel optimistic.

Can Selby finish first in the Keegan's this year? Even if he finishes first consistently, hopefully Marcus is not far behind him. I think Marcus will top the season-long Keegan ratings.

NJHAWK 11 years, 11 months ago

Can we stop bashing X? Let it go. He played for KU.

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

In what way's did the freshman X so disappoint?

tical523 11 years, 11 months ago

It sucks that Elijah Johnson doesn't play more. Makes it very very hard for a dude to know how to play when you think you are only going to get a couple minutes or if you make one mistake you are benched. Self is the man but I don't understand why he does not use EJ more, I'm not saying 25 minutes but a solid 15 seems reasonable. He can knock down the three, attack the rim and handle the rock. He does need to get better at off--ball defense but his on--ball defense is much better than Tyrel, Travis and even Tyshawn. It is hard to play when you can't gain confidence with minutes, and allowing to continue to play even if you make some mistakes. Imagine how few of minutes Sherron or Tyshawn would have gotten/get with the same rules. I'm pulling for EJ big time next year big time, seems like a real great teammate (& 5-star recruit).

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

I'm not saying 25 minutes but a solid 15 seems reasonable.

Based on what?

tical523 11 years, 11 months ago

. . . . based on the way he had been playing the previous games. The previous two games he was 5/5 shooting with highlight plays that give our team energy. I guess that is what I was basing it on. A player starting to find a rhythm and confidence.

hawksince51 11 years, 11 months ago

I agree it was Taylor's worst game and 6 TO's vs. 1 A is certainly cause for concern from the PG. I wish that EJ had done more when he was in there, and like others wish he had been given more minutes. I agree that Selby is not ready to play PG with his 4 TO's and 1 A. His ball handling skills were unimpressive, his D was spotty, but he certainly showed the ability to hit the 3. Releford a disappointment, Brady and Reed showed no O but contributed in other ways. So, assuming Selby is solid at the 2, the 1 and 3 spots are my biggest concern. I had hoped that Little would work his way into lots of minutes at the 3 but...

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

Let's circle the darn wagon's. Taylor had 1 bad game. Everyone cxl all post season plans. Taylor had 1 bad game. Let's take his position away from him. Taylor had 1 bad game. Get a grip dude.

tical523 11 years, 11 months ago

Dr Roach, nobody is asking for Tyshawn to be benched. . . I don't know where you read that from this post. I simply read that 6 turnovers to 1 assist is not a solid performance and he still played 32 minutes. Nobody is asking for his head, it is just post game venting man. . . . we are all Hawk fans it just seems like Tyshawn has an extremely long leash sometimes.

Michael Luby 11 years, 11 months ago

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have another Mr Clutch in the KU ranks. Once Selby picks up his defense some more, the kid will be unstoppable.

Hank Cross 11 years, 11 months ago

Agree Selby lived up the hype. We'll go as far as he can carry us on offense. Without his production, we probably would've lost.

As for the Brady - Fontan drove on him at will and Brady only got bailed out on the last play by Fontan's mistake. Brady let the shooter convert on at least two of his fouls. Had Fontan made the second free throw on Brady's last foul, the game might have turned out differently.

Travis did have a nothing game, but the minute he missed that 3, I knew was coming out b/c he can't make any mistake w/o being benched.

Andrew Moore 11 years, 11 months ago

I don't think Fontan was our biggest problem on defense. Brady did okay on him IMO. The havoc that Stephenson and Vucevic caused down low is my biggest concern.

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

You must of been watching a different game. Brady put in a solid defensive effort and was not drove on at will. If the Jayhawks missed all there shots the game might have turned out differently. Man, get real. Enough of the if's and but's. They don't don't count man.

kranny 11 years, 11 months ago

Disagree, he played solid some of the time but lost his man on a 3 and gave up a drive foul and one on consecutive plays. His shot has all but disappeared. He's solid but not as good as two years ago.

Dr_Roach 11 years, 11 months ago

He's way better than 2 years...THINK before you post. You mentioned 2 defensive lapses. So that constitutes at will?? Come on dude... don't be hate'n,

Dirk Medema 11 years, 11 months ago

Especially the 3's!

Haven't seen the box score yet, but seem to recall one of their guys equalling Josh's game from 3.

As for the frontline, USC's guys made even the Hudy-ized M's look like boys.

REHawk 11 years, 11 months ago

I think we will have to forget Mario Little, other than to hope he can pull himself together personally after his blowup. Other things were more important to him at 2:45 a.m. than preparing for this Sat. contest. Playing Jayhawk basketball calls for a major commitment, and is an honor which bears tremendous responsibility. Only a slim chance that he will return to the floor by Big 12 tournament time. I thought Travis played lockdown defense prior to the first Jayhawk timeout. Though he has worked dilligently to improve his shooting touch, I think he must primarily think defense and ball movement if he is to play an essential role with substantial minutes. And Withey's has to keep pushing himself to post those blocked shots and rebounds, as well as focusing on position down low. The guy just has to step up, esp. when we are paired against giants. Bill Self's postgame comments were really fine. Was he surprised that Josh took that 3 point attempt in the closing minute? Naw. He would have been more surprised if he hadn't! What a breakthrough game for young Josh Selby. Now if he can stay focused on learning how to improve his total game.... Kudos to Keegan for deciding to keep game ratings for both total season and conference play. Should help keep Josh on a steady keel...if he pays attention to such "stats". Zags beat Baylor today; Longhorns upended Roy's Tarheels. K State went down to Florida.

Marcia Parsons 11 years, 11 months ago

I have to disagree with you on Little's future. It all depends on the disposition of his legal case, of course, but if he ends up with diversion (they are all misdemeanor charges according to Self) I think he will be penalized for a number of games like Brady was. If all goes well in the legal area, I would look for him to be back in late January.That's about a dozen games if you count tonight. You could certainly be right, but I hope I am.

wrwlumpy 11 years, 11 months ago

Brady's best game this year and TT'S worst. Self will get the twins playing like they should.

Xavier had 27 in his first game, Wayne had 20 in his first game but Selby's 20 had to be the most clutch of them all.

slowplay 11 years, 11 months ago

Selby can score but that's about it. He played terrible defense and never looked to the post on offense. The team just looked bad when he was on the floor. I would imagine he'll get better at both, but I don't think he helped the flow of the offense and USC made their run while he was in the game. That said, he looks like the go-to-guy when KU needs a basket.

Marc Frey 11 years, 11 months ago

Everybody just chill out. KU is a very good team and trying to close in on Great. We will not go undefeated so just sit back and enjoy a fun team. Even if we have two or three losses going into the Big 12 tournament we will be a top 5 team.
They are finding ways to win against tougher competition. Each team has thrown a different set of skills and challenges at KU still they have won.

Kevin Studer 11 years, 11 months ago

You've done this a couple of times in this thread. Please stop typing "your" when you mean "you're." 'Doctor.'

Jared Grillot 11 years, 11 months ago

Lots of people have lots of up and down reasons, but what I see right now that has me head scratching is 12 assists. 12? From us? That tells me our offense was playing half-asleep. Maybe it was too early for them. This bears out in our shooting %, at 39%. Offense played like they were on cruise control. Then again, better than the total and utter offensive meltdown that KSUck had today. 44 points. Total. Enjoy the drop, purple kittens.

voygr1 11 years, 11 months ago

Wow I can not believe what I am reading on all of these stories...Are the Jayhawks not 10 & 0?? Fans now know what is best for a team that is coached by the best coach in college basketball!!! And that means coach K at Duke and coach Roy and Izzo!!! Execution was horrible against USC. How many times did the ball stick...How many times did players on offense not move or rotate??? Josh was super for a first time division 1 game. We at KU are lucky to have the dedicated coaches we have. Defense in first half was great but stunk the place up in second half by every one that played period. If you look back at past seasons every team has down periods where they do not play well its when they get that second wind you find out what you have.
Elijah and Travis are key parts of building this team into a championship team.. Markief has to play with fire in his eyes you need to find that mean streak all of us have seen...Everyone remember this is a team and these men are giving their all for us Kansas Jayhawk students Alums and Fans...

focojayhawk 11 years, 11 months ago

I am sure someone already said this, but our piss poor free throw shooting will lose us a game, and dang near did yesterday. I will say this, they won't hurt us against kstate, however. Jeez! I heard they are second to last overall in basketball. I know we are 11th in the big 12.

Dirk Medema 11 years, 11 months ago

The '07-'08 team became a championship team over semester break when they improved their FT shooting by 10%, and then hit 14 of 15 against Memphis. People will talk about Rose & CDR missing theirs at the end, but it means nothing if KU isn't lights out, and that started during semester break.

DJax did the same thing the year he had to sit out at the beginning - like Josh, who was lights out from the line. Hmmmm, I wonder if there is any coincidence there.

If this team wants to be champions, they'll take all of their "class" time for the next weeks and invest it at the FT line.

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