Monday, September 3, 2018

Tom Keegan: David Beaty followed wrong recruiting blueprint

Kansas head football coach David Beaty talks about his recruits during his National Signing Day press conference on Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2018 at the Anderson Family Football Complex.

Kansas head football coach David Beaty talks about his recruits during his National Signing Day press conference on Wednesday, Feb. 7, 2018 at the Anderson Family Football Complex.


As the sun was setting on his tenure as University of Kansas head football coach, David Beaty was talking about the next morning’s sunrise. Somehow, that seemed fitting.

For the record, the sun is still in the process of setting on the coach’s run as head of the KU program and hasn’t put him into the ranks of ex-coach just yet. But Beaty talking about the next day’s sunrise after a 26-23 overtime loss to Nicholls, a scrappy FCS opponent that made a pair of bad mistakes that KU turned into 10 late points, might be remembered as a signature moment of his career.

It was a colossal disconnect that won’t die easily from the memory banks of Kansas football fans who haven’t been rewarded for their loyalty to the program in nearly a decade.

Beaty was as far from connecting to the pulse of the customers at that moment as he has been in walking the walk of his talk throughout his time here.

He talked about building the program the right way, avoiding the quick-fix recruiting method that put the scholarship numbers he inherited from Charlie Weis in bad shape. And then, instead of following the recruiting blueprint that Mark Mangino used to build the 12-1 Orange Bowl champions, Beaty took a sharp turn down Weis Way. Transfers from junior colleges and four-year schools help fill in the blanks, but taking too many makes it impossible to keep the roster at close to the maximum allowable 85 scholarship athletes.

It happened with Weis, and don’t kid yourself, it’s happening with Beaty. (Two of the 22 starters on offense and defense in the Orange Bowl were transfers, the rest high school recruits.)

The next coach should be transparent about scholarship numbers. That way, if he’s tempted to mortgage the future of the program, he’ll think twice, knowing that everyone will know what he’s doing. Beaty fooled many, as recently as at the end of last season, by claiming he avoided the quick fix.

I pored over Beaty’s four rosters and, with help from a couple of people who have worked in the athletic department, made a list that breaks Beaty’s recruits into three categories: high school signees, transfers from junior college transfers and four-year transfers. Student-athletes who came as walk-ons and then were awarded scholarships, such as Baker University transfer Keith Loneker Jr. and high school walk-on Mesa Ribordy were not included, just those who arrived on scholarship.

Some on the list are educated guesses on my part. Therefore, I would say that there is a margin of error of about plus or minus 3 percent.

My findings: Beaty has given 55 scholarships to high school signees, 42 to recruits from junior colleges and 13 to transfers from four-year schools. So that’s 50 percent to transfers and 50 percent to high school players. My research on Weis’ recruiting revealed that he gave 58 percent of his scholarships to transfers and 42 percent to high schools.

High school recruits, 55: Hakeem Adeniji, Dorance Armstrong, Shola Ayinde, Kenny Bastida, Isaiah Bean, Jeremiah Booker, Earl Bostick, Julian Chandler, Malik Clark, Mac Copeland, Jay Dineen, Cam Durley, Evan Fairs, Denzel Feaster, Antione Frazier, Aaron Garza, Joey Gilbertson, Quan Hampton, Chase Harrell, Corione Harris, Hunter Harris, Khalil Herbert, Chris Hughes, Larry Hughes, Kyron Johnson, Liam Jones, Travis Jordan, Mike Lee, Maciah Long, Jacobi Lott, Ryan Malbrough, Taylor Martin, Kyle Mayberry, Clyde McCauley, Tyrone Miller, Emmanuel Moore, Osaze Ogbebor, Ian Peterson, Dru Prox, Shaq Richmond, Jalan Robinson, Steven Sims, Carter Stanley, Tyriek Starks, Jace Sternberger, Kenyon Tabor, Kyle Thompson, Robert Topps, Bryce Torneden, Dom Williams, Nick Williams, Pooka Williams, Takulve Williams, Ryan Willis.

Junior college transfers, 42: D’Andre Banks, Bazi Bates, Peyton Bender, Jelani Brown, Antonio Cole, Codey Cole, DeeIsaac Davis, Hasan Defense, Jacky Dezir, Foster Dixson, Davon Ferguson, Deondre Ford, Drew Harvey, Elmore Hempstead, Isi Holani, J.J. Holmes, Kerr Johnson, KeyShaun Johnson, Elijah Jones, Azur Kamara, Miles Kendrick, Ke’aun Kinner, Reuben Lewis, Adagio Lopeti, Jack Luavasa, Api Mane, Octavius Matthews, Willie McCaleb, Darrius Moragne, Marnez Ogletree, Jayson Rhodes, Stephan Robinson, Stephon Robinson, KeyShaun Simmons, Will Smith, James Sosinski, Najee Stevens-McKenzie, Brandon Stewart, Shakial Taylor, Ricky Thomas, Andru Tovi, Justin Williams,

Four-year transfers 13: Charles Baldwin, Daylon Charlot, Kevin Feder, Alex Fontana, LaQuvionte Gonzalez, Zach Hannon, Corey King, Brian Lipscomb, Quincy Perdue, Keaton Perry, Mavin Saunders, Joshua Stanford, Dwayne Wallace.

So what’s the problem with taking so many transfers? Well, it’s going to take a great deal of use of redshirting players, which should be easier to do than in the past because players can appear in up to four games and still not qualify for a redshirt season, for the next coach to balance the classes.

Plus, by counting so many scholarships toward the next class after reaching the one-year maximum of 25, which Beaty did every year, that will eat into the Class of 2019 scholarships, meaning a third consecutive year of a small freshman class.

Also, it’s easier to evaluate and develop the talent you have when you have it for four or five years instead of one for two or three years. It’s also easier to build chemistry and to cover material in practice when not relying on so many players who are brand-new to the program.

Plenty of competent football coaches will want the job when it comes open, but they all have their eyes wide-open to what a steep challenge awaits.


Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

You can do what's in the best long term interest of the program or what is in the best interest of your job. Tom is right but I can't blame any coach who is faced with mounting losses to start using band aids knowing full well that building the program the right way might only benefit the next coach.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

BS...Bill Snyder and Scott Frost walked into horrible situations and both turned it around;;Beatty has had 3 years to recruit HIS players and develop this team..he hasnt accomplished anything in his time here..I could have been named the coach and KU FB wouldnt be in the same boat its in right now..Im not giving him any passes..not in year 4

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

The jury is still out on Frost. He may have turned around Central Florida but Nebraska is a whole different animal and he has yet to coach a single game there.

Bill Snyder is a once in a lifetime coach. He is the exception to the rule and not the rule of thumb.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

yes Nebraska is a whole different animal, BUT, the same roster that was 0-12 at UCF before Scott Frost was 6-6 heading into into its bowl game the following season..the difference wasnt the talent level, it was having a coach that knew what they were doing..Now imagine Frost doing that at NU where he will have much more access to top talent..not saying he will be the next Tom Osborne, but he might..Snyder isnt exactly a once in a lifetime thing...Doug Pederson built a Boise State FB program from the level of "I didnt know they even played FB there" to respectability..even with him gone they remain cant tell me its harder to recruit at KU than it is Boise, Idaho?????

Jayson Hawk 3 years, 11 months ago

Really glad i did not buy into the hype this year. The fluff being fed to us by the LJW and people not named Tom was laughable. How many times are they going to write the same pre season article about our QB. lets go down the list. Cryst, Heaps, Cozart, Willis, Bender, Kendrick. Its so old now. Even before kick off at my tailgate someone said "Ya know i heard this Offensive line..." I cut him off there. We keep getting fed the same thing year after year after year. Hopefully Kendrick has two years with a new head coach. Nothing positive should be written about this team until we see some improvement or have removed this clown from his job as head coach.

This team or more accurately coaching staff is flat incapable. I mean, they have trouble getting the play call in and cant seem to figure out how and when to use their timeouts. Its year 4 how is this still happening?After Gill i thought it couldn't get worse, after CW i thought it couldn't be worse and now i believe i have finally seen the bottom. Two 0-12 seasons one coming in year 4 and losing most of our games by 40+. I honestly think that the people who comment on these message boards could do that.

Recruiting? we have 2 commits and 25 guys who are listed as a sr. you know we are going to have guys jump ship at the end of the year (who could blame them). Speaking of recruiting and top recruits... Where was Daylon Charlot? Did i miss him or is he still not getting on the field? Didn't we have an OL who was a transfer from Alabama also, guess he didn't make it on the field either (although its possible i missed something). Whats the deal with pooka? WTF is a "Non disciplinary... whatever" Another guy we have heard so much hype about that we probably wont even see make it on to the field. We only have 6 guys from Kansas on our roster? Mike Rivera, Jake Sharp, Kerry Meier, Darrell Stuckey, Brandon McAnderson. Thats 5 I can think of just from 08 ALL KANSAS KIDS.

Its embarrassing.

BTW Anyone hear from Bryson?

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

Jayson, I think you're holding back. Tell us how you really feel but this time say it with more conviction.

Jayson Hawk 3 years, 11 months ago

I know, i held back and only read the comments for a long time. i couldn't take it anymore. Frustration needed to be voiced. Glad Bryson is back his comments were always the best as in the most outrageous and clueless. Funniest comments were people talking about how Beaty shouldn't be fired if he wins 5 games. what a stupid argument, who could possibly be dumb enough to believe that guy was going to win five games.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 11 months ago

I didn't buy into this crap either and our best QB hands down has been Michael Cummings. Our second best may have been Jordan Webb. As for the O-Lineman I thought that he was the starting center? Maybe I'm wrong. I passed the koolaid a long time ago. This coach has no chance of winning and is so far in over his head. He's a really nice guy but a really inept coach. I'm with you on your assessment.

Kevin Robert Fest 3 years, 11 months ago

You are such a punk Cryson. Running your mouth all off session calling Tom and everyone who doesn't agree with your EXPERT college football knowledge every name in the book. Your insesant sarcasm and ridicule about any one with a criticism about Beaty is childish. Now the s is hitting the fan and where are You? Vegas again? That lame excuse when the AD got fired was pathetic just like you. So seriously where are you? Mr. Know-it-all your big mouth chest pumping rhetoric all seems like hot air now, but you are no where to back it up. If KU won the game you'd be all over this board with ridicule now you sit there and you hide your head in the sand and act like nobody would notice. Such a sad little man you are showing your true colors. Too bad you won't be shown the door along with Beaty. Sadly we are stuck with you.

Bryson Stricker 3 years, 11 months ago

You typed all of that.. in response to me saying hi....

I also was in Vegas when Zenger got fired. Very weird way to wake up.

Dave Coen 3 years, 11 months ago

Let the record show that despite tremendous criticism, disrespect and ridicule, Mr. Keegan's observations and analysis have been consistently correct regarding Coach Beaty and the Kansas football program. It is unfortunate that Dr. Zenger and Chancellor Gray-Little were not as insightful as Mr. Keegan before rewarding Coach Beaty with an undeserved contract extension. Our football players deserve better.

Mr. Keegan, thanks for speaking truth to power. Keep up the good work.

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

I'm telling ya -- Keegs 2020! And that has double meaning...

Joe Ross 3 years, 11 months ago

There is no way Beaty survives. New AD Long was hired to change the culture of football at Kansas, and endorsing Beaty for another year would negate the whole reason for his being hired.

But now the question is timing. Imagine the scenario that Miles is agreeable to coming. If you bring him in too early, he will lose a bunch of games with Beaty's guys, and people will subconsciously associate Miles with losing. Guilt by association, as it were. On the other hand, bring him in too late and you sacrifice recruiting, and you dont generate the excitement that would help fundraising. The introduction window needs to be perfectly timed if you introduce a new head coach.

If Beaty loses all of the non-cons, growing voices will make it necessary to fire him before the conference schedule.

In either of the above scenarios, the workaround solution is simply to name an interim head coach while announcing that you're in negotiations with Miles or some other high-profile name. By the way, the new coach must have national name recognition. Recruiting will be too hard. Progress on the field too sparse. Donations too slow.

I predicted 4 wins. I'm now predicting 1, after the Nicholls State loss. Point is, you should be careful listening to prognostications from yours truly. However, I'm going to take another stab at one. Beaty will be fired after the Rutgers game. Quinn Mecham or Clint Bowen will be named interim coach. Several weeks later Long will announce his guy, who will then be able to contact recruits before the early signing period in December. (Again. This is why we need a big name coach.) He'll be free to do that while interim coaches coach the team. Also, by naming that early, he will have settled in and been in place well before spring practices begin.

All this to say that if Long wished to fire Beaty to appease the fan base he could, and there are avenues to keep the program on its current state of life support while appealing to both recruits and boosters.

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

I would be okay with Les Miles, Bret Bielema or Dave Wannstedt. They were all fired because they didn’t meet the high standards of their employer, but our standards are much lower. We just need to be competitive and they are all capable of that.

Jack Brooks 3 years, 11 months ago

Bowen needs to be shown the door along with Beaty. He’s had more than enough opportunity to show his quality and it is poor. He’s terrible and needs to be moved out of coaching football at KU. Actually, Long should give the NASA engineer a shot. We at least know he’s not an idiot and he can recruit.

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

For the love of God, man... move off of Les Miles already. We don't need a coach in his mid 60's to try to right the program. We need someone who will be here for the long haul.... who is hungry and has YEARS left coaching. Miles will be 65 in November... And Dave Wanndstedt?? Seriously? He is 66... we need new blood.

Jayson Hawk 3 years, 11 months ago

I dont think his age should matter too much. Anyone young who comes in here and wins wont be her for long we are not a destination coaching job. They will bolt to a bigger better job and paycheck since they will no doubt be the hottest coach out there. We just need someone who can come in and get this thing back on track. We would be beyond lucky if Les Miles actually accepted the coaching job here.

John Strayer 3 years, 11 months ago

Did KSU use "new blood" in hiring Bill S? Don't let age fool you. KU needs experience and "know how" a lot more than youth.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

@John Strayer..KSU brought back a PROVEN wasnt like they were bringing in some old dude with no prior experience and giving him his shot...most of the staff that was there when Snyder was rehired was there when he originally left..

Chris Bailey 3 years, 11 months ago

"Brought in some old dude with no prior experience" I'd hardly call The Mad Hatter some old dude with no prior experience! I'd take Les Miles in a heartbeat! He's a winner and his teams play stellar defense! I'll take that ANY DAY over what we've seen in recent years.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

@Brad..think you might need to go back and reread my comment..seems like you didnt get the context of what I was talking KSU hired Ron Prince to replace Snyder when he retired

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 11 months ago

I suggest a different scenario, Beaty becomes a true lame duck sometime in October. Then, Long can begin interviewing for the HC job in public without the interim distraction. Because, let’s be honest, there just aren’t any good “interim coach” options on this current staff.

Jason Venable 3 years, 11 months ago

No way on Miles. There is a reason for him not coaching. If he was that sought after he would've been hired by another university. Time for him to retire.

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Meacham as interim HC???? C'moonnnn. His play calling is even worse than Beaty's was. He needs to go. If we are going to name an interim it needs to be Hull. He is associate HC anyway right? Smart, popular among players.

Jason Venable 3 years, 11 months ago

I have to think the whole staff will be removed. Some of the worst OC/DC ever witnessed.

Eric Eakins 3 years, 11 months ago

Offer Miles interim position, $2mil to finish this year plus $1mil bonus for EACH win the rest of this year. End of season, option to stay three more years or walk away. If he stays, offer the house, boat, and first born. Each of the losses this year won't be attributed to him (just like the first 0-12 for Beaty was excused b/c of Weiss) so really a no loss on his reputation. But if he wins, he becomes rich and a legion. This could only work though if they offer it to him today so he can have a chance at beating the next two for the bonus.

Kyle Sybesma 3 years, 11 months ago

Joe - Rational comments as usual. I hadn’t thought about the guilty by association aspect of Miles coming in now. My head knows a new permanent coach will not take over this season but my curiosity would love to see what kind of progress Miles could achieve with this team through out the season? It would give a definite answer to whether we have a talent problem or a coaching and development problem. Probably both but I have yet to see a Beaty season where the team improved as the season progressed.

Your prediction that a coach will be named prior to the end of the season would mean the coach is out of work now right? Coaches typically don’t take jobs while in their current season. Can’t think of anyone but Miles.

Beaty will be fired before the season ends and the search will be a traditional search with a new coach announced in December.

Would love to see a “State of the Program” press conference with the new coach an Long to address the current scholarship numbers and how recruiting will be handled, etc. Full transparency with fans to make sure everyone knows current state, expectations and timeline of goals.

Joe Ross 3 years, 11 months ago

You're right Kyle. The scenario above would work only for a coach that's currently out of work. I wrote this with Miles locked into my subconscious, and hence the focus. I think the pathway to get a current coach is for the most part the same, however, apart from the recruiting aspect. You'd still hire an interim, but you'd have to request permission from another university to speak to their coach. They probably wouldn't grant it until after the season is over, though, which means you likely miss the early signing period if that school is bowl-bound.

Chris Condren 3 years, 11 months ago

Keegan makes the point we all knew to be true. The roster is in bad shape and will be getting worse. This coach and staff will be gone and Kansas Football will continue its decade long rebuilding job. The KUAD has caused all of this. It is filled with incompetent people who do not know how to build winning programs. Luckily they have not screwed up the basketball program. We will have a new football coach and staff. We need to clean out the incompetence within the KUAD.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

not exactly...a good coach can come in and take the current roster and at least improve them..not saying we have the talent to win 10 games..not even Nick Saban could do that ..but a good coach could squeeze out 3-4 wins..its not huge buts its a start...but yeah, the last 3 KU hires really put this program behind schedule...

Ed Noyes 3 years, 11 months ago

My neighbor, Chris Condren, couldn't quite make himself use the "buzz term". Finally, after a very long time, new AD Jeff Long has to "drain the KUAD swamp". Thank God, HCBS and exceptionally good basketball players that the basketball program remains a juggernaut.

Micah Mandy Haase 3 years, 11 months ago

Maybe I'm a homer but every year I hope we win 4-5 games. It was no different this year, but I also know when to see the light. I still talk smack to all my co-workers here in in OKC that KU will beat OU, and I'll still be at the game Nov 17th with my Jayhawk gear on. Of course they don't take me serious.

Kevin Robert Fest 3 years, 11 months ago

I can't believe that after all of these months of preparation that was the effort the coaches brought to the game on Saturday. They looked even more ill prepared, clueless and just plain inept then they did over the course of the other 3 seasons. I mean I'm not surprised, but it seems like a pop Warner coach or even a jv coach has more of an idea of how to game plan and make in game adjustments and decisions than these guys. These are coaches at a power 5 school and the players on the field yelling at them to make a decision at this point in Beatys tenure it's just an absolute disgrace. Maybe we don't have the best talent but the kids deserve better than this, maybe with the right coaching you could get the kids up a few levels and the games could be competitive or even sneak a few wins here and there. But with this coaching staff and the level of talent that we have there is no way that this is ever going to change and it's sad because after 4 years and all the experience that these coaches bring to whatever position they coach if this is what they're bringing they should never see the field again. Yes the Sun will rise tomorrow but hopefully it will soon be without Beaty as the coach anymore.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 11 months ago

Kansas Football......the term itself is almost an aximoron!!

Jason Venable 3 years, 11 months ago


Oh, the irony on your post TB ;^}

Kevin Robert Fest 3 years, 11 months ago

Long better realize very soon that if this keeps going the way it is a new coaching change or whatever decisions are made some people just may not be coming back. You can't keep running this S show and then keep asking people for money or come to the games if this is what you're going to get. Soon in time no matter what is said or what is done some people are just going to be finished with this whole thing and their money and interest is going to go elsewhere. A sinking ship can only stay afloat so long, after that it just sinks and it's never coming back. Make a decision very soon a AD Long, soon this ship is just going to be at the bottom and won t be salvageable. If the team looks this bad and coaching this poor after the Central Michigan game I don't see how Long has any choice but to make a decision and fire Beaty.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 11 months ago

I'm not proud of it, but I picked 0-12 around the time spring game was cancelled. Beaty finds ways to lose.

I thought the Beaty extension was ludicrous.

I thought that after the non conference last year Bowen should have been dismissed. Somehow we have Bowen and Beaty together still.

I cant believe there isn't a press conference...for nearly a year now.

Chris Bailey 3 years, 11 months ago

HAHA. I'll proudly admit I picked them to go 0-12. I don't see any progress. I am rooting for Beaty's head. He needs to go and the sooner the better! I don't post nearly as much as I once did. I got tired of the rah rah and the mounting losses that we were just meant to swallow.

Curtis Hedrick 3 years, 11 months ago

Long needs to set precedence and clean house asap. To say this crap stops TODAY. That's why he is here, to change KU football. The latest debacle is proof there will not be any improvement under the current football regime. After hearing some of his comments, Long reminds me of my father pulling a nail out of a board, like an engineer. Let's analyze and study this, maybe do some research on nail pulling, Maybe if we look at it long enough the nail will somehow jump out of the board on it's own. Then I swoop in with a hammer and pull that damn thing out letting it hit the floor. Long needs to be the guy with the hammer at this point. Who cares how its done, just do it!! That's where we are at today. Who cares how or when it's done, the firing and cleaning house HAS to be done and the sooner the better.

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

I suspect Long is looking at experienced head coaches because that is who he hired in his last two jobs. The benefit of an experienced head coach is the known quantity and if he goes after a Les Miles we don’t have to wait until the season is over which is good for recruiting.

There are plenty of promising P5 OC/DC’s and head coaches from non P5 conferences waiting to take the next step but most will steer clear of us. And those coaches don’t always pan out, like Turner Gill.

That said, Les Miles is not on the top of my list but I would be okay if he is offered the job as long as his contract is loaded with performance initiatives and not just a big fat contract like the one Charlie Weis got.

Bryson Stricker 3 years, 11 months ago

There aren't better we can get for $5M in your opinion?

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Nope. He'd be a home run hire. Local guy. Proven success everywhere he's been. Including here. Any other huge top name coaches will command even more than $5M to come here. Who are your choices? Oh wait - nevermind. You want yo boy Beaty to get an extension.

Bryson Stricker 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't enjoy us losing anymore than you do.

Jason Venable 3 years, 11 months ago

If Harbaugh keeps doing what he is at Michigan for the amount he is paid...he'll take 5M.

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Screw Harbaugh. He's a Michigan blowhard nutjob. No thanks!

Brad Watson 3 years, 11 months ago

Overrated...has never won anything...horrible hire

Dennis Strick 3 years, 11 months ago

John Has A Long Mustache. The Flour Sack Is On The Shelf The Clock Needs Winding

Barry Weiss 3 years, 11 months ago

Bryson comes out of Beaty's basement! Ok bro, admit I was right on Nicholls beating KU and you were wrong predicting a 20 point win. While you are at it, give us your thoughts on the rest of the season.

Bryson Stricker 3 years, 11 months ago

What I saw Saturday was the same thing I've seen and in some regards worse for the past 3 years. That isn't what I saw from practices and definitely isn't what was leaving the camp. Regardless, the man at the top is responsible for what happens on the field and what happened on the field is inexcusable.

I wish Jeff Long the best of luck this week.

IRT the rest of the season. Easy answer is 0-12 but I think there's enough will and ways for this team to pop out a victory.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 11 months ago

fair enough. I do wish we could some how get out of this hole our program it is in. I have no clue how that will happen.

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

"That isn't what I saw from practices..." Here's the problem with that -- if you practice against less than stellar competition all week, you can't get better....My guess is there are scout teams at some FCS schools that could beat KU. Not joking. Meaning - our 1st team can look great in practice -- but then when they play REAL competition on Saturdays, they aren't even close. All goes back again to poor coaching as well.

Bryson Stricker 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree w/ you to an extent. But I'm not saying I thought we looked significantly more talented or anything. I'm saying style wise.

I saw dominance at the LOS by the offense, I saw effective runs and effective pass plays. We saw none of that on saturday. A key point is I saw Miles running the offense more than PB7 so that's that. I really think going w/ pb7 changed things for the offense that it shouldn't have.

But what do i know.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 11 months ago

Can't Mr. Booth and Mr. DeBruce get together and buy KU a decent football coach?

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Now that idiot Zengy is out of the way - yes. He thought he was doing KU a favor by hiring a no-name and only having to pay him $800K (and then doubling his pay after he won a game). He would have served KU much better by going out and luring a top tier talent for $3M per. But I guess that is why he is coaching HS ball now -- which is where Beaty should go back too. Good guy. Just outmatched as a college HC.

Joe Ross 3 years, 11 months ago

Yes. One, at least: "NOT SMART".

Under the current state of football, YES. The football team is not very profitable. But elsewhere, football is a huge moneymaker. Saying we should scrap football cuts off the potential to get a piece of the pie.

To be clear, it's not like we don't make money through our affiliation with the Big 12. Being in a Power 5 conference means you're going to get huge paychecks every year simply through membership. If we lose football, we put that affiliation at great risk, so I don't know what this guy is on about.

Furthermore, a healthy athletics program--which is the goal--drives enrollment, which helps the University. That is out there to be had. Scrapping the football program has the potential in reducing future enrollment vs. what you could have if you created a competitive football team. That connection may not seem intuitive, but it is very real.

Steve Corder 3 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for the link.

Young man was probably suffering from one too many beers as he watched the game on ESPN+.

Tweets can often be dangerous to the perception of intelligent thought.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

KU needs to do what Nebraska or Washington did..look at some of the coaches at these smaller schools that are having success...Washington looked at Pederson at Boise State and snatched him...NU looked at Scott Frost at UCF and wrangled him..KU needs a coach like them...young enough to stick around for awhile if they are successful and has a PROVEN track record of more giving assistants or coordinators their 1st HC job..KU might not be a destination job in FB, but it sure is a step up from a of other programs..

Jason Venable 3 years, 11 months ago

Long needs to look at the very possible idea of a standout OC/DC and to really find out what makes a the current HC successful.

Perfect example: Early to mid 2000's Boise St started to really get rolling. Dan Hawkins looked like thee perfect guy for the HC at Colorado. What ended up happening? He was a complete bomb.

Reason: It was the Chris Petersen, the OC, he was the guy behind Dawkins that made Dawkins look so good. Now Petersen is doing a wonderful job at Washington.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

@Titus..Turner Gill was 20-30 while at Buffalo (prior to his KU hiring)..hardly successful

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

@Freddie..KU plays in a power 5 conference..this gives them a leg up on programs like Wyoming, UNLV , UCF ect...UW from the PAC 12 lured away Pederson from Boise st even though he had had success at BSU..UW gave him in chance to coach in a major power 5 conference and he jumped at that chance

Randy Bombardier 3 years, 11 months ago

Micah, football is more than football. K-state football has made the entire university much better. It more than pulls its weight.

Yet, i think if said lawyer wants to start a movement to spin off major college football to a pro level farm club system, with pay for athletes, while replacing football as we know it with grass, no pads, flag football or Aussie style football or even soccer, maybe that time has come. The fans probably would raise he'll but it's worth discussing.

I want MY ti be on a level field. Giving up football while every other p5 program continues will slowly lead to the decline of the entire university.

Layne Pierce 3 years, 11 months ago

Ok. Good Jayhawkers, Let's see the situation for what it really is. Nebraska made a big mistake when they took Reilly, 5 years before retirement age. I mean cmon. The KU job needs a younger dynamic guy. This is not Larry Brown coming to revive mediocrity, this is Mangino, or more like Mason coming to a S-hole program, and starting the Bataan death march.

I don't think anybody expects miracles, or national championships, for starters we all just want to see a disciplined improving smart football team, a team that plays hard and smart for four quarters every game.

My ideal hire would be tremendous PR person, because it is going to take PR to hold it together, and give us a sense of direction, real talent evaluator, and proven knowledge of player development. Along with that, someone who can make lemon-aide out of lemons. if you find a quarterback who is a great leader, and who gets the players to play hard around him, then you make an offense for him, even if you have to run 90% of the time, and he can only throw the ball 10 yards. One great running back, you design for him, You maximize what you have, and put the players in a position to succeed. That is what we are paying you to do. And for God's sake, be disciplined, if a guy is not carrying out his responsibilities on the field, it's the next man up. Patient with the incompetent or uncaring, is no virtue.

We have tried all the gimmicks, the veteran pro-coach, done that. The inexperienced but dynamic young coach, done that, the assistant who can recruit Texas, been there. No fact is we need something we simply have not been able or willing to get, and that is a real football coach.


Along with that we will need real Jayhawk fans, sophisticated enough to appreciate small victories and improvements, demonstrable, but not always equal to victories.

Joe Ross 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree with most of what you say here, Layne. So don't construe the following as a disagreement with your overall point. We have tried the veteran pro-coach, yes. But the quality of the coach must be factored in. Weis was not the standard to represent that. The assistant who can recruit Texas is also questionable. Some years he's delivered, others he hasn't.

And yes to the fact that progress is not always measured in the win-loss column. But sometimes it IS. In fact, improvement in the record is really the only metric that ultimately counts when measuring improvement. It's what we get judged by. It's what makes you eligible for bowl games. It's what drives recruiting, to some degree. And it CERTAINLY opens up the wallets and pocketbooks of donors.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

who was the young dynamic coach? Turner Gill had a record of 20-30 at Buffalo prior to his KU hire..he sure as hell wasnt dynamic in any way..was there another coach in there that I missed?

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Gill and his apostles/staff were too worried about brainwashing all his players into being bible thumpers than fball players.

Brad Watson 3 years, 11 months ago

A list is being compiled currently....Jim McElwain...Butch Jones...Hugh Freese.....Bret Bielema...Todd Graham.....and many others are being vetted by some of the ADS' personel.....My choice is GENE CHIZIK....I hope his name is also on that is a perfect fit here....still young enough ...but mature enough to not bolt to another school if he is successful here..I know the AD.....HE WILL GET IT DONE CORRECTLY....I just hope he pulls the trigger today.

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Dude you just spewed out an AWFUL list that is full of guys booted for questionable character, PR nightmares and has-beens. Thank god you aren't on the nominating panel. Get off the Chizik wagon. There's a reason why he ain't coaching no more.

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Chizik couldn't get it done at ISU - why would he do it here??? And without the one year with Cam Newton his record is pathetic. Step away from the gummies dude.

Brad Watson 3 years, 11 months ago

Look at Chiziks' undefeated season....the coaches he played against...oh by the way...a national takes a whole team to win it all...Cam Newton cannot win it alone....ISU was his first stop....he learned a lot...Auburn ...he won it all....the SEC West is tough...LSU won a title...Alabama won national titles...working with Pat Dye backbiting behind the scenes...was impossible...strange cultiure down there on the Plain.....he then went to UNC and worked with Fedora and they were somewhat successful.....we need a coach that can field a respectable team...not win titles....get respectable first ...then look at the possibility of winning something..he is a good recruiter....his visibility has increased...being on SEC NETWORK all the time...he has deep roots in Florida and Texas... fertile recruiting regions ...he is tough and a motivator and is a perfect fit here and he wants to coach again...give him a call...great hire!

[''] 3 years, 11 months ago

Waaaayyyy better choices out there.

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