Originally published October 15, 2018 at 11:37a.m., updated October 15, 2018 at 05:32p.m.

We good?’ ‘Always’: Texts between Self, fixer presented in college basketball corruption trial

Kansas head coach Bill Self casts a look at his players during the second half on Friday, Nov. 24, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas head coach Bill Self casts a look at his players during the second half on Friday, Nov. 24, 2017 at Allen Fieldhouse.


Although a former Adidas consultant testified in federal court on Monday that he never told University of Kansas basketball coaches about paying the families of players, text messages between him and KU coaches Bill Self and Kurtis Townsend show they were aware of some sort of involvement in recruiting.

In a federal trial in New York, ex-Adidas consultant Thomas “T.J.” Gassnola, a key government witness, was confronted during cross-examination with a record of texts he exchanged with Self.

Lawyers for ex-Adidas executive Jim Gatto have sought to use the texts to show that various basketball programs were aware of efforts to funnel secret payments to the families of Silvio De Sousa, a KU player, and other top-flight recruits.

According to an ESPN report, text message dated Aug. 9, 2017, showed Townsend sending a message to Gassnola that said, “Coach Self just talked to Fenny let me know how it goes,” referring to Fenny Falmagne, the guardian of De Sousa, who is from Angola.

Later that day, Gassnola sent a message to Self that said, “Hall of Fame. When you have 5 minutes and your [sic] alone call me.”

Gassnola sent another message after Self did not respond that said, “I talked to Fenny.”

Self responded asking, “We good?”

“Always,” Gassnola said. “That’s [sic] was light work. Ball is in his court now.”

Gassnola and Self did in fact have a five-minute phone conversation later that day, according to the report. The FBI did not wiretap the call and Gassnola said he did not recall what he and Self talked about.

Gassnola testified that he did not tell Self or Townsend that he paid $2,500 to De Sousa’s guardian for online college courses, according to Adam Zagoria, who is covering the trial.

Self previously told the Journal-World he would not comment on the trial until it finishes.

In another text message shown in court, on Aug. 19, 2017, just days before KU announced a 12-year agreement with Adidas, Gassnola sent a text message to Self thanking him for helping to finish the deal, according to the report.

“I’m happy with Adidas. Just got to get a couple real guys,” Self said in reply.

Gassnola replied via text message: “In my mind, it’s KU, bill self. Everyone else fall into line. Too (expletive) bad. That’s what’s right for Adidas basketball. And I know I am RIGHT. The more you win, have lottery pics [sic] and you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.”

“That’s how ur works. At UNC and Duke,” Self responded. Gassnola said at Kentucky as well.

“I promise you I got this,” Gassnola wrote. “I have never let you down. Except Dyondre lol. We will get it right.”

Gassnola said the name “Dyondre” was in reference to Deandre Ayton. He previously testified in court that he tried to recruit Ayton to attend KU and he felt he let Self down when he failed and Ayton attended the University of Arizona, a Nike-sponsored school.

In another text message shown in court, dated Aug. 26, 2017, Townsend forwarded Gassnola a message that he said he’d received from Falmagne: “Coach has been on the phone with Angola. We are good to go. We will commit tomorrow.”

Gassnola previously testified Townsend asked him to connect Falmagne to Adidas, as Falmagne was looking to get Adidas gear for the Angolan National Team. Gassnola said he told Self and Townsend about Falmagne’s request, but did not inform them of payments he made to Falmagne for De Sousa to attend KU.

However, Self called former Adidas executive Jim Gatto to thank him when De Sousa committed to the university, Gassnola testified Monday, relating what Gatto had told him, according to Zagoria.

It wasn’t clear from the testimony why Self thought he ought to thank the shoe company as part of the De Sousa recruitment process.

Last week, Gassnola said he has a “very good” relationship with Self, noting he and his fiancee had dinner with Self and his wife before Self’s induction into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, according to a Kansas City Star report.

Additionally, Gassnola testified again Monday that he did not pay the $20,000 he intended to give to Falmagne, according to Zagoria. Gassnola previously said he meant to pay $20,000 to Falmagne to get De Sousa out of the $60,000 deal with a Maryland booster, but he never made the payment because the FBI made its investigation public.

Gassnola also reiterated that the coaches did not know about the $90,000 of payments to the mother of former KU player Billy Preston, according to Zagoria.

During the trial, Gatto, business manager Christian Dawkins and former amateur coach Merl Code have pleaded not guilty to defrauding various colleges, including KU, by concealing the use of under-the-table payments of up to $100,000 from Adidas in exchange for recruits committing to programs that were seen as a path to big NBA paydays.

Gassnola, who pleaded guilty to wire fraud charges in March, has testified that the universities are the victims in the case.

The lawyers for the three men facing charges haven’t disputed that payments were arranged in violation of NCAA rules, but they argue the schools never suffered any harm.

But presiding judge Lewis A. Kaplan will not allow the defense to criticize the college sports organization in the trial, according to a CBS Sports report.

“Ladies and gentlemen, we are here today because the government alleges that Jim Gatto committed two federal offenses when Adidas took a tiny portion of the money that it brought in and shared it with the families of the players on the court,” Kaplan said, according to the report. “Now, the purpose of this trial is not to determine whether the NCAA amateurism rules are good or bad. It has nothing to do with it.”

Kaplan said the defense — highlighting the multimillion dollar contracts coaches earn while players receive relatively little as student-athletes — is trying to win the sympathy of the jury, according to the report.

“It was my view, and it remains my view, that the introduction by counsel for Mr. Gatto of the issue of the wisdom and impact of those rules on college players and others doesn’t belong in this courtroom,” Kaplan said, according to the report. “It belongs in the NCAA or the halls of Congress or in the boardrooms of universities. It has no proper bearing on this case. It doesn’t matter if they were children of Bill Gates or of welfare mothers. That’s not the issue.”

Kaplan said the argument must stick to whether the three men violated federal law, according to the report.

“The reason for that is because the government and these defendants are entitled to a verdict that is not swayed by extraneous considerations about the NCAA, the wisdom of its rules,” he said. “The question is whether federal statutes were violated.”

— The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Brian Wilson 3 years, 11 months ago

I am not sure I have confidence this absolves KU. It says Bill Self called Gatto to "Thank him" when DeSousa committed. Why would KU have to thank Adidas?

This sounds really bad!

Who thanks someone unless they are doing you a favor? IMO, on the surface. Not Good.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

If I had Gatto's phone number, I would have called him as well to 'thank him.' We really needed DeSousa last year!

I still can not see what laws Adidas broke. Unless something earth shattering comes up, I'll put my $100 on 'Not Guilty' on all accounts. I hope this Adidas guys get their jobs back, with a raise. Adidas sounds like a great partner for KU.

Jeff Foster 3 years, 11 months ago

The illegal piece they are saying is, the players and/or their guardians were paid money to sway them to one school or another. That payment negates their amateur status making that player ineligible to play in college. That payment has defrauded the university of tens of thousands of dollars in scholarship money going to an ineligible student athlete. They're tabbing it as wire-fraud, that's why the FBI was involved. NCAA rules aren't illegal, just against their rules. That's how I understand it anyway.

IF Self was playing the game, was careful what he said in conversations and/or had layers of staff doing some dirty work, but he was thanking Adidas reps for their help with apparel in Angola "wink-wink" and that was the conduit to getting a player, then they're still breaking the NCAA's rules. I really hope not, there are two sides to this story, a good one and a bad one, and like all KU fans, I'm hoping HCBS is the guy we all are sure he is, an honest hard working guy doing things the right way and wouldn't put KU's history in jeopardy.

Son Mac 3 years, 11 months ago

I have to agree. Not good. Not federal laws, but NCAA could drop the hammer.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

What laws say it is illegal for a third party, like Adidas, to pay money to someone to promote their product(s)? If fraud has been perpetrated on the Universities, the FBI is going after the wrong people. They should be going after Preston and DeSousa, along with their guardians. The FBI knows how bad that would look and it would be really hard to get a jury not sympathetic to the players and parents. The text messages do not show anything that can not be readily explained. Lots of parties have influence in recruiting and Adidas helping the Angolan National Team seems to be a good deal. Self should be applauded for trying to arrange help for them.

Barry Weiss 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't think anyone here cares about Adidas, these defendants or the trial. What most of us do care about is if the NCAA comes down on KU for being complicit in getting impermissible benefits to players in violation of NCAA recruiting rules. The fact that we are the only school with two players involved, Preston and Silvio, also has a bad look.

Jeff Foster 3 years, 11 months ago

Suzy, the key words here are "impermissible benefits." Student athletes aren't allowed to have a third party give them money to promote their products. I think the problems are that this opens the possibility that KU had an idea something was going on. And if this has been going on for many years, as many former players have said, there's no way top level coaches don't know about it, whether they do it or not, denying they know is total BS. The thing about the Angola team is, they are a Nike sponsored team, at least their gear is, so why would Adidas be getting them gear? Hoping that's not code language for anything or anyone else Angolan related.

Maybe one good aspect is, with Preston never playing for KU and the only money that apparently changed hands for de Sousa was $2500 for online class work, is that all that bad? It ALL looks bad, but we've seen players suspended for several games and having to pay back impermissible benefits, like plane ticket value, etc, and all is good. Games played last year and Final4 may be vacated, but again, not sure if any of that falls on Self. Thoughts?

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

Jeff, yes, exactly. It's the player's responsibility. What I'm trying to understand is the company's legal responsibility. It's the players/parents/guardians who are doing the defrauding. The companies are acting in their own legal best interest. The companies are not attending the Universities. This is a big damn mess the nutty NCAA has gotten itself into.

Lawrence McGlinn 3 years, 11 months ago

If we are going to continue the charade of amateur athletics I don't know how you can say nothing was wrong about those email interactions. Clearly, Self knew what was going on. If that is how it works, fine, but should he be counting wins against schools that don't have an Adidas or Nike pipeline? What is our record against Duke, UNC, Arizona, etc. Maybe .500. Doesn't look like a Hall-of-Fame career when we play schools with similar recruiting advantages.

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

Suzi, talk about having rose colored glasses. You'll make every excuse imaginable to support Self. We don't know yet... so reserve judgement.

Suzi Marshall 3 years, 11 months ago

I am reserving judgement and the presumption of innocence. I've been following all this closely. I'm getting bored with it because I don't see what laws Adidas broke. As for Self, so far everything he has done seems more than plausible in any good partnering relationship.

Dan Blomgren 3 years, 11 months ago

Brian, Self could have been thanking Gatto for numerous reasons: 1. Being an advocate for KU. 2. Saying good things about KU and Lawrence. 3. Saying good things about the quality of education at KU. 4. Talking about our rich basketball tradition. 5. Talking about HCBS being in the Hall of Fame proving his great coaching abilities. 5. Talking about the beautiful campus at KU 6. Talking about the great town of Lawrence. All those things and many others could influence a prospects decision, and hearing that from a representative who travels to see many campuses can only help KU land talent. Nothing illegal there at all! And shouldn't sound bad at all to anyone looking at the situation objectively!

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

I agree Brian, this looks really bad. Up until now there was plausible deniability but the text messages between Bill and Gatto are hard to explain.

Titus Canby 3 years, 11 months ago

"The question is whether federal statutes were violated."

Something no one has been able to explain to me yet... what federal statutes were violated and how?

Leon Trotter 3 years, 11 months ago

The indictments are available in various places. Short version: Conspiracy, bribery, solicitation of bribery, fraud...etc.

Jeff Foster 3 years, 11 months ago

And again, the issue and involvement by the feds is that state universities that get federal and taxpayer money were defrauded but giving scholarships to student athletes that technically were ineligible for getting improper benefits ($$$). That's where the FBI gets involved. My understanding is, paying a student athlete isn't illegal, only an NCAA violation. But when they get a scholarship, then it becomes defrauding the university. Still to me, it's all a stretch.

Robin Smith 3 years, 11 months ago

what Leon said

I believe a big issue with these crimes is that they involve government-funded institutions, the universities.

Seth Nesmith 3 years, 11 months ago

HCBS was just thanking Adidas for helping out the mom with the Angolan National team's uniforms.

Jay Hawkinson 3 years, 11 months ago

This could definitely be the true explanation, and even if it isn't it gives Self a plausible innocent explanation.

Steven Haag 3 years, 11 months ago

If you have a shoe company that has KU as its flagship in shoe and team apparel, they are giving the university millions of dollars via a contract, then being nice to them is not a crime, and frankly shouldn’t look bad. The question that nags me is this, KU can sell these players with the facilities, the reputation, and the name printed on the jersey, so why would Self have to thank Addidas AFTER Sousa committed? That just makes no sense. It’s not wrong, or illegal, but does leave a perception.

Dan Blomgren 3 years, 11 months ago

Perhaps Self knew of the innocent work Adidas had done on his behalf talking up the program, the strength of the team. the rich tradition, etc... to prospective players. Self and Adidas working together to get a player to come to KU isn't illegal. It's in both parties interest to get high profile players to KU. In fact, they should work together to accomplish that goal. It only becomes illegal when perks including cash are offered. Short of that, Adidas and KU should work together in trying to sway talent to KU. If they can prove cash was involved or similar lures we could be in trouble. That hasn't been proven yet, and if they had that kind of evidence I think they would have unleashed that by now. So far so good, and with each passing day I breathe a little easier. "We good?" could have been Self referencing Adidas talking to the kid, and just asking 'did all the talks go well'? Adidas responded accordingly n the affirmative. Take out the innuendo that you are adding subjectively. Take the words at face value, and we are good!

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

I refer you to Coach Townsend and it "Do what it takes" comment as all the proof that KU (or at least Townsend) was ready to give cash, accomodations, etc to prospective recruits. If Self isn't in trouble, then Townsend damn well should be. Best case scenario... he has HORRIBLE judgement.

Phil Leister 3 years, 11 months ago

This story leaves out the most interesting and worrisome text exchange between Bill and Gassnola:

"On Sept. 19, 2017 — three days before KU Athletics announced a 12-year contract extension with Adidas — Gassnola texted Self to tell him thank you for helping to get that extension done. Self replied via text that he was happy with Adidas and wrote “Just got to get a couple real guys.”

Gassnola responded with a text that said, “In my mind, it’s KU, Bill Self. Everyone else fall into line. Too (expletive) bad. That’s what’s right for Adidas basketball. And I know I’m right. The more you have lottery picks and you happy. That’s how it should work in my mind.” Self replied by text, “That’s how ur (sic) works. At UNC and Duke.” Gassnola answered by saying Kentucky as well. “I promise you I got this. I have never let you down. Except (Deandre). Lol. We will get it right.”

In this case, Gassnola could be referring to center Deandre Ayton. Gassnola testified Thursday that he felt he let Self down when Ayton chose Arizona instead of KU."

Phil Leister 3 years, 11 months ago

The fact that Bill is texting adidas guys in regards to recruiting is not ideal.

Brian Wilson 3 years, 11 months ago

Exactly. It makes it look like HCBS sits on his fat ass waiting for Adidas to sign players for him.

Steve Corder 3 years, 11 months ago

Do you have any idea what the recruiting rules are?

Until you or anyone on this board knows the rules then stop making ridiculous suppositions.

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

Bingo, Phil! I would ask Dan to explain that one.. but the problem is.. he would actually find a way to try to explain it that makes Self remain pristine clean.

Brian Skelly 3 years, 11 months ago

  This will get KU in trouble with the NCAA.    But the concept this violated any federal laws seems on it's face to be wrong.    Im willing to be swayed.    I just don't see it.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

not really..these texts are so vague that it really doesnt reveal anything...simply talking to someone who is doing a crime doesnt make you guilty..especially if you have no knowledge of whats going on..which the Adidas guy still states that Self nor his assistants knew about anything shady....of course Self or any other head coach for that matter, dont mind someone being a good ambassador for think Self is the only top HC to have a relationship with a shoe company rep? these companies give schools me, they WILL stay in touch LOL

Barry Weiss 3 years, 11 months ago

I don't think this looks good at all. If this Gassnola is commonly known as the "bag man" to deliver cash, any contact between him and our coach(s) is not good.

Jonathan Allison 3 years, 11 months ago

there is a lot to digest here. What we need to remember in all of this is:

1.) Gassnola pleaded guilty in March and agreed to cooperate with the FBI to help nail Gatto, Code, and Dawkins. He is not trying to implicate Bill Self and KU.

2.) The defense team for Gatto, Code, and Dawkins are trying to implicate Bill Self and KU (using text messages as evidence that Gassnola's team was required by law to hand over) in order to deflect attention onto the universities and re-accuse Gassnola rather than to claim that they are innocent of wire fraud.

3.) Bill Self and KU are not on trial or publicly under any kind of investigation, though the NCAA certainly is highly interested in the evidence that the defense team is presenting implicating that University officials may have been aware of the "pay-for-play" scheme orchestrated by Gassnola, Gatto, Code, and Dawkins. The NCAA likely will bring judgments and assign punishments of its own some time after the federal trial is completed... but we have no idea of the NCAA's timeline (as usual with the NCAA).

We have to maintain the appropriate perspective. At this point in time, this story is not about KU. This story is about Gatto, Code, Dawkins, and Gassnola. KU is a passive third party. We are looking at this picture through a prism and trying to understand what we're seeing as it relates to KU.

Likely at a later date, the focus will in fact shift to the NCAA vs. KU and Bill Self. Then KU officials may well have an alibi for the discussions and text messages with Gassnola, et al.

Time will tell, until then I will remain neither optimistic nor pessimistic about this story. I suspect that the season will start under the cloud of the NCAA reviewing evidence from the federal wire fraud case and KU will hold De Sousa out of competition unless they are confident that they can prove that they knew nothing of any arrangements for payments to anyone involved in Silvio's recruitment and believe that Silvio, his guardian, and his family did not receive payment in return for his commitment to Kansas.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago this point, even if DeSousas guardian didnt receive payment to go to KU, it does seem he got $ to get the kid to go to Maryland..that still makes him ineligible to play..

Shannon Gustafson 3 years, 11 months ago

They have presented no evidence that the Maryland payment was real, it's just what Gassnola was told by someone else, just like the supposed 20k payment from Adidas to "Pay back Maryland" turned out to be a promise that was never fulfilled. So far the only money anyone has admitted to was $2500 to pay for SDS' summer classes. That's a violation but a minor one that would typically result in suspension for a few games and the requirement to pay it back just like others have had to do in the past.

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

Can't imagine what alibi Bill/KU have for the discussions with Gassnola.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

Gassnola worked for sure other top coaches for Nike sponsored schools have relationships with a rep from the Shoe companies..these companies give these schools think they WONT have a rep in constant contact with them?

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

It's not having the contact that concerns me, it's the conversation they had.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

even the convo itself doesnt reveal anything..the text are so vague..not saying its a good look, but nothing damning was would depend on how the NCAA would choose to view it

Elliott Teters 3 years, 11 months ago

Well Stated Jonathan. Without having some type of proof that the money was paid to Falgame, and a denial by the coach, De Sousa, and the KU Coaches, the whole case of payments, in this case, is based on the word of one man who is working with the prosecutors to try and minimalize the time he will spend being punished for his part in all this. The word of one man with the denial of everyone else hardly meets the burden of proof, regardless of what everyone's gut or common sense says.

We all need to wait, as several have so correctly stated until all the facts have been revealed and then look at the actual evidence. This type of manipulation did not begin last year. It has been going on for a very long time which is why all these five-star recruits hold court and ask all the recruiters "what are you going to do for me?"

For a system to exist in the underbelly of the sports, for so long, most people participating probably have developed the skills to keep themselves as invisible from prosecution as is humanly possible. Perhaps the new rules which will allow the "one and dones" to go straight to NBA, D Leagues, or G Leagues will be the best solution to the scramble for five-star athletes.

Mike Barnhart 3 years, 11 months ago

This has been eye opening for me. It’s now obvious, the shoe companies control AAU basketball and basketball prep schools. They also have huge contracts with the universities and with NBA players. The shoe companies CONTROL THE TALENT.

Nike kept it on the DL but the Adidas guys were a bit shadier and got caught.

The NCAA isn’t going to punish anyone, it was too pervasive. But, they may try to clean it up from this point forward!

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

I was thinking that same thing..with so many teams involved in varying degrees, it would be hard for the NCAA to punish every one..especially the schools that got defrauded..they will file suit to avoid penalties

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

There are about 350 D1 programs. How many do you think were involved?

Elliott Teters 3 years, 11 months ago

From the D1 schools I saw it looked like Addidas had about 10 schools, Nike had 80-90% of the rest of the schools with Under Armor and one other company having what was left. I would wager that if one outfitting company was willing to buy players for a certain school that others are doing it as well. Could well explain why Kentucky and Duke constantly seem to own the top ten recruits each year. I think that giving the students the ability to go straight into the NBA or the NBA's developmental league will have the potential to be a very good thing for College BB and may give us a little more parity.

Shannon Gustafson 3 years, 11 months ago

You weren't aware this was going on before this? Kids have been paid by boosters and such since at least the 70's. Shoe companies have been involved since the 90's or earlier.

Nike didn't keep it on the DL. 6 assistant coaches have been charged in this deal, 1 from an Adidas school, 2 at UA schools, and 3 at Nike schools. They just started with the Adidas situation so that's what's getting all the publicity right now.

Many Nike schools and players have already been implicated in this whole thing (Arizona, Kentucky, Oregon, etc.) and others are sure to follow once they start the trials for those Nike sponsored coaches.

Tony Bandle 3 years, 11 months ago

Shannon, make that the you think all those kids went to UCLA because of the great weather? "Saint John Wooden" had a bank full of boosters.

Gordon Penny 3 years, 11 months ago

If you are unsure of the federal rules that were allegedly broken, please read this article. While it doesn't name the particular federal statutes (which you can find by reading the charging document) it does explain the case very well.

Thomas Green 3 years, 11 months ago

This is not actual proof Bill Self knew about money being paid, but in my mind it sure looks like he did, at least he shoukd have known. My guess is the NCAA won’t think to favorably about these exchanges either! I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

i dont think Self knew about the payments..even the guy himself said that..I do think Self thought having Adidas helping Angola's national team would give him a leg up on signing DeSousa...that is why Self, Coach K and Cal volunteer coaching these 18 year old national teams..they know it gives them a recruiting advantage..every coach is looking for an sure sending an Adidas rep who helped his home countries national team while being in his ear talking KU up

Ashwin Rao 3 years, 11 months ago

I wish it was Beaty's phone that was involved, and not Self's! :)

Lawrence McGlinn 3 years, 11 months ago

I know we're all fans of KU. I've been onboard since the Ted Owens days, and I like Bill Self, but if you can muster a shred of objectivity I think it is pretty clear what the texts are about, and it is not the Angola National Team!! But College B-Ball is so corrupt I think he survives. Sean Miller is bringing in big recruits again, so why not Self. Calipari, what can I say? The interesting one is the self-righteous Coach K. Can Duke keep a lid on this kind of arrangement until he retires?

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

Right on, Lawrence. I love Self.. and the job he's done.. but if he cheated, I don't want people making excuses for him. It's too early to judge him... so quit making a case for his innocence. Let the events / investigation unfold... and let the chips fall where they may.

Shannon Gustafson 3 years, 11 months ago

You think this wasn't going on when Roy was here? How about Larry Brown? It's been going on at all major programs for at least 40 years, probably significantly more. This doesn't mean the coaches were actively involved but they were aware that shady stuff was going on behind the scenes and they had to look the other way and plug their ears to stay out of the mix.

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

Up until now my concern was with Silvio's eligibility but now I'm worried about Bill Self. Suddenly he's moved closer to the Sean Miller category.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

not really..Miller had an actual coach on his staff that was involved..Self hasnt had those texts are so vague..they literally dont reveal anything of guilt

Kyle Berthusen 3 years, 11 months ago

It really does. Sounds like very bad mob talk

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

Uh.. .Kurtis Townsend? Damning texts...

Freedman Moor 3 years, 11 months ago

Anyone commenting on this story that is answering as if they know positively what happened, in an attempt to explain away the evidence being presented, is positively full of it.

I have been waiting for the other shoe(s) to drop.

If this is what this is beginning to appear to be, then Self and his staff have to go. It is as simple as that. After spending years castigating the Squid for being a crook, we would all look like gigantic hypocrites taking the "nothing to see here" approach in light of real evidence of malfeasance.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago

you need to turn in your fan card and go root for K state with that doomsday attitude..dont let the door hit you on the way out

Mike Hart 3 years, 11 months ago

Just because Freedman has laid something that might be a scenario... that actually is real... is no reason to dismiss him as a K State fan. He is saying be realistic.. .and wait and see.. instead of immediately jumping to Self, Townsend and KU's defense instantly and automatically. We don't know all the facts.. so wait and see before you either attack or blindly defend KU.

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

So if the programs with Adidas contracts take the fall what happens to the schools with Nike or Under Armour contracts? Do they walk away scott free.

Shannon Gustafson 3 years, 11 months ago

There are more people charged with crimes from UA and Nike schools than from Adidas schools. This is only the beginning. There are many more trials to come.

David Kelley-Wood 3 years, 11 months ago

If the coaches really didn't know about the payments, and that's what has been attested to thus far, then at worst they may have suspected that wrongdoing occurred. It may look suspicious, but I don't see how you can burn a school for anything that can't be proven, the exception being if inadequate due diligence can be shown. Best case scenario is no punishment, but a lingering bad look.

Elliott Teters 3 years, 11 months ago

Unless the prosecution produces some type of wiretaps or paper trail for the transfer of the money, I think we must give HCBS the benefit of the doubt. So far, if I was a juror and Self was being charged I have seen nothing except 3rd person accounting of he said and she said, which is not admissible for a reason. That reason is that its reliability cannot be confirmed without some corroborating evidence. The texts are the only actual evidence that the prosecution has produced which could possibly indicate that Self knew what Addidas was doing. But, once again, there is nothing specifically stated in the texts which point to any case which is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Until the prosecution produces something which meets the "reasonable doubt" requirement, I choose to believe that if, and that is a big if, Bill Self knew the exact terms of the unadvisable payments, he is hopefully at least smart enough to keep himself and the coaches he values out ot the frag zone.

Kyle Berthusen 3 years, 11 months ago

They showed texts between them. Denial looks bad on a jayhawk. Just accept it.

Craig Carson 3 years, 11 months ago I guess your mind is already made up on Self huh..guilty right? what they texted each other..the text literally reveal I guess Self should just admit to doing something he probably didnt do and hasnt been 100% proven just so YOU can feel at ease....turn in your fan card and go root for Kstate..we dont need people like you as fans..oh and BTW, do you know what loos worse than denial.........its admitting guilt when your innocent....check mate

Kyle Berthusen 3 years, 11 months ago

Oh dang. Craig Carson took my fan card. It's like I don't even know who won the 2008 championship anymore. I only love the 2003 Big 12 Title game now.

Just get over yourself. He's paying players, just like everyone else. Either way, It still hurts our cred, and you have to come to terms with it like an adult. Or maybe your a child. I didn't think of that. This is the internet.

Danny Hernandez 3 years, 11 months ago

an awful lot fo what if's but in the end, I see nothing and am not worried. I didn't read the word cash or dollars anywhere. Got to prove it and the NCAA couldn't. You don't think Coach Cal or K don't thank their Nike reps?

Dane Pratt 3 years, 11 months ago

The burden of proof for the NCAA is not the same as it is in a courtroom. You should be worried.

Jeff Coffman 3 years, 11 months ago

So if Bill Self and KU knew, the Federal prosecutors case falls apart because the university was not operating under false pretenses. The federal case is built on the idea that if KU offered a scholarship to an individual that was not eligible for said scholarship and could actually face repercussions because of that scholarshipped player than they would be harmed. The defense is that there were NCAA rules that have been continuously broken and every single university and coach basically knew that impermissible benefits were being paid and even the big named coaches from basketball schools like Louisville and Kansas were aware.

It is interesting, the Fed's whole case is built on ensuring that Bill Self and KU were unaware of the payment. This is why they continuously infer to KU as victims and the requirement that they were unaware of the payments.

I'm pretty sure that there is enough doubt if you are a KU fan or not a KU fan to think that KU may or may not have known of the payments. KU is an interesting case because when there was evidence of an issue (Billy Preston) they held him out and kept him out. Whereas when there was no evidence of a payment (De Sousa) they played him. They operated as if they had no knowledge, supporting the Feds case.

Because of the uncertainty, just because if there is a reasonable doubt that KU knew of the payment (or knew either player was not entitled to the scholarship) you would have to find the defendants Not-Guilty. In this case a Guilty verdict means that KU did not know.

David Howell 3 years, 11 months ago

A lot to digest that has been written and will be written ......... And the season starts so soon.

My question is why weren't burner phones utilized with secret code names ? LOL I think .....

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