Originally published February 23, 2018 at 08:10a.m., updated February 23, 2018 at 11:54a.m.

Yahoo report ties Josh Jackson’s mother to FBI investigation into college basketball

In this file photo from April 12, 2017, former University of Kansas basketball player Josh Jackson and his mother, Apples Jones, are pictured outside of the Douglas County Courthouse.

In this file photo from April 12, 2017, former University of Kansas basketball player Josh Jackson and his mother, Apples Jones, are pictured outside of the Douglas County Courthouse.


The FBI's ongoing investigation into college basketball, which produced a number of criminal charges last fall, has uncovered a wide range of impermissible payments from agents to at least two dozen players or their relatives, including the mother of former University of Kansas player Josh Jackson.

According to a report published Friday by Yahoo Sports, documents from the investigation show that Jackson's mother, Apples Jones, received a loan from a sports agent associate sometime before Jackson left for the NBA.

The Yahoo Sports article states that Christian Dawkins, a former associate of former NBA agent Andy Miller, sought reimbursement of $2,700 loaned to Jackson's mother. One expense report reviewed by Yahoo cited a $1,700 advance to Jones in February 2016. An undated entry on another sheet containing February 2016 expenses lists a $1,000 advance to Jones. Jackson committed to KU in April 2016 and was also recruited by Arizona and Michigan State.

Yahoo said that the documents, which were obtained in discovery during the investigation, also link current players including Michigan State's Miles Bridges, Duke's Wendell Carter and Alabama's Collin Sexton to potential benefits that would be violations of NCAA rules. According to the report, players and family members allegedly received cash, entertainment and travel expenses from Miller and his agency ASM Sports.

NCAA president Mark Emmert says in a statement Friday the allegations "if true, point to systematic failures that must be fixed and fixed now if we want college sports in America."

Emmert said the NCAA Board of Governors and recently formed independent Commission on College Basketball is committed to "making transformational changes" and will cooperate with the federal prosecutors to "identify and punish the unscrupulous parties seeking to exploit the system through criminal acts."

Don Jackson, an Alabama-based attorney who has worked on numerous college eligibility cases, said the root of the problem for the NCAA is that the amateurism model does not work.

"This problem can be solved if players are compensated. This whole issue can be mitigated if players are compensated," Don Jackson said. "This model of amateurism does not work. The NCAA is not capable of adequately policing tens of thousands of athletes around the country to determine whether or not they have violated the NCAA's model of amateurism.

"We're talking about in some instances kids receiving $30 meals from agents."

The documents posted Friday by Yahoo also list loans to players who, at the time, were outside the NCAA's student-athlete system and were already considered professionals. One of those players was former KU guard Elijah Johnson, who graduated in 2013. Johnson is listed on a December 2015 balance sheet next to a $15,000 loan. A second sheet, which is undated but contains references to the 2017 NBA Draft, lists the same amount next to Johnson's name along with the rough description of "Signed back Caglar. Tryng to setup payment plan."

Johnson signed with ASM Sports before the 2013 NBA Draft and, according to past Journal-World articles, was represented by agent Stephen Pina. Pina is linked to several cases involving impermissible payments to high school and college players, according to Yahoo's report. Johnson went undrafted by the NBA but continued playing in other leagues. Based on the document posted by Yahoo, it is unclear when Johnson received the loan.

On Friday afternoon, ESPN's Jeff Goodman reported Jones said she never received money from Miller or Dawkins.

"I have never met Andy Miller, and while we had a relationship with Christian, we never took anything from him," Jones told ESPN.

None by Jeff Goodman

— Check back for more information as this story develops.

— The Associated Press contributed to this story.


Brett Arnberger 4 years, 5 months ago

I also saw that Elijah Johnson was listed on the Yahoo report in the documents for $15,020.

Justin Carlson 4 years, 5 months ago

Just heard on 810 loan came 2 years after EJ graduated might be ok!

Joe Joseph 4 years, 5 months ago

I'd call that a win if Jackson is the only former player implicated in all of this.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

The fact that we are implicated in this at all is a loss. We have prided ourselves on doing things the right way and running a clean program. If in fact this report turns out to be true (and I hope it isn't), then all our talk of running a clean program makes us look pretentious. :(

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 5 months ago

A cash payment/loan to a player's relative that we knew nothing about is our

Joe Joseph 4 years, 5 months ago

It's not, but the NCAA doesn't care. There will be penalties doled out. I'm just hopeful that when the dust settles KU doesn't get banned from future tournament appearances and/or lose scholarships. We can probably bank on last season's record being "vacated." Let's hope that's the extent of it.

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 5 months ago

We are not going to get a post-season ban over this unless they can somehow prove KU knew and didn't report it.

Unless something more happened, we're looking at maybe the loss of a scholarship or two as the worst case.

If the NCAA wants to hand out a punishment harsher than that, they'd have to do it for the majority of other schools also listed. You really think that if the NCAA is going to try to destroy every major program in the country over a few small payments to player's family members and dinners?

Spencer Goff 4 years, 5 months ago

If legal precedent holds firm then it matters, this is the Cam Newton situation all over again, and in that case they ruled that the player and school were not at fault.

Now, that is football, that is SEC, and we all know the NCAA does not rule equally, but it certainly would implicate KU as having a legal case. Of course, that assumes that Jackson knew nothing about it, and I have never felt comfortable with his sense.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 5 months ago

Josh Selby received more than double that in benefits, KU is getting a slap on the wrist at worst. Probation and maybe a loss of a scholarship is worst case scenario.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

Because the NCAA will say, "If you didn't know, you should have known."

Joe Joseph 4 years, 5 months ago

I think we were fooling ourselves to think KU wouldn't somehow be implicated in all of this. Every blue blood program is. What I am optimistic about, is that the coaching staff had no knowledge of this transaction. Hopefully the NCAA will have mercy.

Jeff Foster 4 years, 5 months ago

Well, so far, KU isn't implicated at all in what I've read. It's a payment to Apples and didn't imply that KU was involved. Also, most of what I've seen was to try to get the players to sign with the agent/agency, not getting them to come to a university. Certainly a $2700 pmnt to Jackson's family wouldn't sway him to go to a school, so I wonder what it was for and how it will impact KU, IF, they can prove she actually received it. We'll see...

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

I just don't agree, Bryce. No coach, even those that do their best to run a clean program, cannot possibly know every transaction made by every player or every player's family.

When Cliff Alexander's family came into question, it was reported to the NCAA and Cliff was suspended. I'm kind of surprised that Alexander's name didn't appear on the Yahoo document.

clint moran 4 years, 5 months ago

Marius, I was also wondering about the Alexander situation, but if these are documents obtained from an expense report of Andy MIller, then perhaps it was just a different agent that handled Cliff.... er, his mother. Speaking of big Cliff, that situation happened in August, before he played a single game for Kansas, and no wins were vacated (presumably because he was immediately suspended by KU, once they were aware of the situation). But, if they are not aware of the situation, (Josh Jackson) how severe a punishment could they really find reasonable. Hell, for all we know, Josh himself did not know what was going on.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm guessing that's what we will find out.

Allan Olson 4 years, 5 months ago

It sure appears that its the KU players' mothers that have been mostly involved with questionable cash and /or benefits. How in the world can Self and staff monitor cash/loans/gifts/cars to and or thru some kids family. Do you think Josh cares about $2700, when he will make millions in a year or so. And, suppose this 25 year old Dawkins character was simply "padding" his expense account?

Justin Carlson 4 years, 5 months ago

Well this could get interesting!!

JJ played last season (16-17) are we going to vacate the conference championship last year?

14 in a row??


Joe Black 4 years, 5 months ago

vacate wins for a $2,700.00 loan would be harsh even for the NCAA. More likely scholarship reduction or something along those lines.

Justin Carlson 4 years, 5 months ago

I hope your right! Just reading the what louisville got and how each of us are all in on 14, it would be devastating for a $2700 loan to a parent of a 1 and done might ruin the streak.

David Kemp 4 years, 5 months ago

Uh wrong! Adidas paid 100k to induce players to sign with Louisville.

Benny Armstrong 4 years, 5 months ago

David, this is incorrect... the Louisville punishment just finalized was for the aforementioned sex scandal. It had absolutely nothing to do with the report from this fall and the allegation it authorized or paid Bowen $100k to sign there. You might think there is a link because of the fallout with that case and the resulting firing of Pitino and the AD, but you're incorrect.

Damian Glaze 4 years, 5 months ago

No, you are wrong. The sanctions Louisville is currently suffering is for the sex/hooker scandal whereas they (coaches) paid a hooker to come to the dorms and entertain players and recruits over a few year span.

The Adidas thing hasn't even come into play for Louisville with regards to the NCAA. They have done some damage control by firing Pitino, but they have not been sanctioned by the NCAA yet because the NCAA hasn't even concluded their investigation. The two situations should not be confused.

Steve Jacob 4 years, 5 months ago

You self-impose giving up a Conference title over a future post season ban every time.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 5 months ago

I can see the NCAA penalizing KU by vacating wins on a prorated basis using the Josh Selby formula. Selby was ineligible for what 9 games or so for accepting a couple of thousand dollars. I once figured it out to be about $500 per game. Using that formula, Kansas would have to vacate 7 wins, probably from the preseason.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 5 months ago

Yes it is. Just thinking about most probable worst case scenario.

Allan Olson 4 years, 5 months ago

Right you are Marius. All these CHICKEN LITTLES out there cry "the sky is falling" when they here some thunder. This is simply Apples' word against Dawkins self interest expense account. Even with a paper trail [endorsed checks], how could KU be knowingly involved with $2700? So far as we can tell, its just a tiny molehill folks.

Kent Richardson 4 years, 5 months ago

Conference championship is controlled by the BIG XII.

Doug Longstaff 4 years, 5 months ago

Not to pick a nit or anything, but I don't see Apples in the documents for $2700. She's on the "Expenses Feb 16" report for $1000.

I know, I know. $1000 or $2700, what's the difference? I just didn't see the rest. Does she appear on another sheet?

Steve Quatrocky 4 years, 5 months ago

I agree, plus expenses related to Apple Jones, versus a loan to Apple Jones, are two very different things in terms of violations. "Expenses Incurred on behalf of" may still very well be improper benefits, but way different than a "Loan". Who knows maybe the agent himself was skimming cash, simply cheating on the expense report that covered a trip to see Apple Jones, or paying for normal T/E expenses like an airfare or fancy dinner tab in cash to cover his trail. The relatively small amount and the expenses vs loan distinction means they'd have to be giving the death penalty to all those other programs linked to players with big loans before they could justify taking any games from us.

Doug Longstaff 4 years, 5 months ago

I read the article again. Apparently, they did not post all the images they have. They say there is an expense line somewhere for February 1, 2016 for an advance to Apples for $1700. That added to the $1000 that is in the paperwork provided would give us the $2700.

So suffice it to say we are not seeing all the papers. They just posted a few.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

The big question is just how much influence does $2700 buy? Jackson was a top 5 lottery pick and guaranteed at least $10 million in his first 2 years.

$2700 looks more like money to help pay bills than to gain influence. Miles Bridges' mom took a $400 advance from the same Christian Dawkins who advanced Josh Jackson's mom.

Now at the other end of the spectrum look at Arizona. With 2 assistant coaches already gone, Sean Miller was caught in a wiretap discussing a $100,000 deal for DeAndre Ayton. At least now we know why Arizona was landing so many bigs.

And lastly, I hope whoever okayed a $15,000 loan for Eli Johnson lost his job. Not only for being an influence peddler but for making such a bad call.

William R. Beck 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm sure this is not the end of it all but at this point it seems a bit of a "meh". I guess if KU knew of the loan that would make a difference. I'm not sure KU is obligated to monitor the bank accounts of player's/recruit's families. It is a bit of a non sequitur to think that Josh's recruitment was influenced by a $2,700 loan to his mom. If you are truly trying to be compliant, I'll bet this drives compliance officers crazy.

Chris Weaver 4 years, 5 months ago

I’m holding my breath about the allegations and fallout like every other Jayhawk. While I don’t have any confidence in players, their cousins, their mothers, or their friends, to do the absolute right thing, I do have faith that HCBS and his assistants are and have been acutely aware of the dangers of engaging these shady bad actors.

I am interested in learning if players that are currently playing are going to do so going forward.

I am also interested in learning if vacating wins, trophy’s etc... going back will be in play.

I hope we can clean this up systematically.

I wonder who would give Elijah Johnson a dime.

Craig Carson 4 years, 5 months ago

for such a small amount ($2700), especially when compared to the the other reported amounts to other players elsewhere, KU is unlikely to have to vacate any wins...honesty, I doubt anything really comes of this in terms of vacating of wins for any program involved..its one thing to punish 1 program, but how do you uniformly punish 20-30 all at once?

Chris Weaver 4 years, 5 months ago

That all makes sense. As I've been reading, listening, watching, it would seem to me that this is more an indictment on agents and the NBA rather than NCAA BB programs. It would appear that only programs where coaches funneled monies and players would have to answer for the charges.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

I am with you Craig. When looking at the range of money, including $100,000 for Ayton, $2700 is definitely at the low-end.

I don't see how any coach could possibly know that the mom of one of his players was advanced such a small amount of money.

I completely believe that HCBS does his best to run a clean program. We certainly weren't using money to lore players to Kansas. Those programs will be treated much more harshly than those that really don't have any way to monitor the family members who take the small cash loans. If the money went directly to a player, then that is a different story.

Craig Carson 4 years, 5 months ago

with all the other big name schools on the report, I cant see the NCAA forcing ALL those programs to vacate wins..especially when some of the amounts are so small..but some of the amounts that some players got could end up being a problem..Im "shocked" to see Wichita State on that list as well LOL...the back lash of this is gonna be more gross over exaggeration of top programs having to "pay" for EVERY top player they get

Spencer Goff 4 years, 5 months ago

Michael Beasley is on there too. None of our DI programs in this state are off the hook.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

Depends on when Jackson (allegedly) got the loan...

Steve Quatrocky 4 years, 5 months ago

According to the expense reports, the expenses were in Feb of 2016, before he signed with us and was still being recruited by everyone. He signed with KU in April of 2016, beating out both Arizona and Mich State who have been more deeply implicated with other players.

Benny Armstrong 4 years, 5 months ago

Actually I think it has more to do with who knew that his mother got this loan. If the NCAA can prove a link exists where someone from the program was directing or coordinating Apples to allegedly get this loan, then that is where I think Self and Co have the most at stake because they knowingly would have played an ineligible athlete. This will be the burden on the NCAA in all of these cases discussed in the article. Otherwise, I don't know how you go about proving KU or any of these programs violated these rules.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

And we know Bill Self's track record on playing kids who might be ineligible. See Cliff Alexander, or Cheick Diallo, or (this season) Billy Preston.

Benny Armstrong 4 years, 5 months ago

Exactly. That is what gives me a measure of comfort given Self's track record of not being afraid to sit players when faced with eligibility issues.

Karen Mansfield-Stewart 4 years, 5 months ago

I admit there's a right and there's a wrong and we try to make that distinction black and white. However, I just can't imagine getting a harsh penalty for such a small "loan" to the mother of an athlete that I'm sure the coaching staff had no knowledge of and is completely outside the compliance department's scope of review powers. I would think that penalties would be assessed for programs that were aware of (or should reasonably have been aware of) or complicit in these violations.

Clarence Haynes 4 years, 5 months ago

When players sign a letter of intent, do they have to make a representation regarding their amateur status including not directly or indirectly (immediate family, coaches, etc.) receiving funds from agents or other questionable sources?

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

They have to go through the NCAA clearinghouse to become eligible.

Noel Graham 4 years, 5 months ago

If this is the iceberg, KU basketball will sail on by. What is Michigan State going to do with Bridges, or Duke with Wendall Carter?

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

Let's not be too sure of ourselves. The NCAA banned us from defending a national title because Larry Brown broke rules to recruit a player who ultimately never came; they could nail us over this as well.

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 5 months ago

Larry Brown wrote a persona check to the kid.

This allegation is a player's relative accepted money from an source unrelated to the school. Not even any proof Josh even knew about it.

The two things are light years away from each other.

Bryce Landon 4 years, 5 months ago

You're thinking logically here. But you must remember that we are dealing with the NCAA. They wouldn't know logic from a hole in the ground. It was illogical to ban us from the 1989 NCAA Tournament over the Vincent Askew affair, but they did it anyway.

Dale Kroening 4 years, 5 months ago

Larry Brown gave Vincent Askew ( A Memphis State transfer who Brown was Recruiting ) money for a round trip plane ticket to see his ill grandmother in the amount of $364 which the NCAA was made aware of at the time . It was later determined 2 KU boosters also gave him additional cash for clothes , food , and lodging with all monies being a total of $1244.00 and being the main problem because all were considered impermissible benefits . Askew's grandmother passed away not long after and he ended up staying in Memphis and didn't transfer .

Doug Stahler 4 years, 5 months ago

The teams with current players might have to go all "Billy Preston" now.

Michael Leiker 4 years, 5 months ago

It has always driven me crazy that the FBI spends time investigating NCAA violations. I’m sure there is a reason why and I’m asking honestly if someone can explain to me why the FBI has any jurisdiction to investigate NCAA violations?

Joe Joseph 4 years, 5 months ago

People, potentially, aren't paying taxes on the monies they are receiving from these d-bag agents.

At least that's my understanding. Could be way off.

Brett Arnberger 4 years, 5 months ago

Some logic there, but if they are truly loans as most seem to be when detailed in the report, then there are no taxes to be paid. You don't pay taxes on the funds you take out for a car or home loan.

Mike Maddox 4 years, 5 months ago

They aren't investigating NCAA violations. They are investigating bribery and fraud that's occurring at federally funded universities. The public is just more interested in the NCAA rules violations side of things, but it's simply a byproduct of the illegal activity that's going on.

Damian Glaze 4 years, 5 months ago

These aren't NCAA violations if the FBI isn't investigating them. There is a good chance the NCAA would never have known about most of this without the FBI. So, in this particular case, somebody tipped off the FBI to potential RICO violations. There are wiretaps and everything involved. This is bigger than the NCAA and their mission.

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 5 months ago

The FBI isn't investigating NCAA violations. They are investigating various white collar crimes involving millions of dollars.

Beate Williams 4 years, 5 months ago

I thought that Brown was slapped because he gave money to one of the players to go home to his grandmother's funeral. A benefit that would not have been available for another non athlete. I could be wrong, but that is what I remember.

Matt Gauntt 4 years, 5 months ago

I sincerely hope the NCAA doesn't go the route of even more enforcement and being more stringent, although I am guessing they will.

Seems to me if you allow some of these young men to get a little bit of funding, then a large part of the problem goes away. I think the most I saw in the documents posted so far was about $25k. Seriously? That is chump change compared to what the NCAA or any school gets.

One idea. Set up a standard contract that will protect the players and the schools. If an agent believes that a young man is going to be great, then they can pay the young man to sign a contract to represent them. Put in some protections so the amount can't be too great, no requirement to pay back if the player doesn't get drafted, and identify up front what the commission will be once they do get an NBA contract. Maybe some other things. Seems like a doable thing to work out.

Right now, the "agents" that are involved are the scumbags that are willing to violate the rules. Set up an above board system and the good agents will take over.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

Good post, Matt. Even if the NCAA decides more enforcement is the answer, it would still be nearly impossible to keep track of every family member who takes money from agents without scruples.

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 5 months ago

Honest question, if we actually do get a punishment because of a player's mother accepting money from an outside source and we had no knowledge of it...could KU sue her for damages?

Joe Joseph 4 years, 5 months ago

Interesting question.

Can't see why not (not a lawyer), though I don't think that would be a great course of action. I could see that deterring some athletes from signing with KU. But it sure would send a message.

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 5 months ago

If a player is going to be deterred from attending because they can't trust their we even want them here in the first place?

It would sent a giant message and all the shady players would end up going to non-power schools willing to take that risk or the NCAA rules would change to only punish programs that actually did something wrong.

Phil Leister 4 years, 5 months ago

Theoretically, it would seem the answer to that question might be yes. But would they? Let's say KU were actually punished by the NCAA because of JJ's mom. Would KU athletics/Bill Self actually sue the family of their former player, with whom everyone had a good relationship? I don't see it happening. Would be bad PR. The "damages" would be chump change for the athletic department, and it would do nothing to reinstate the wins or whatever the punishment was.

Daniel Kennamore 4 years, 5 months ago

Depends on the extent of the damages.

If it includes a post-season ban that millions of dollars...that's a bit more than pocket change even to the KUAD.

It also sends a clear message that we are not going to just roll over and accept punishments for things we could not have prevented.

Ryan Zimmerman 4 years, 5 months ago

Before it's over, I believe we're going to see nearly all major schools taking a hit one way or the other for this. Jackson's seems minor but KU could still get dinged somehow. Then you have some programs like USC and South Carolina that look to be a lot worse. I'm figuring punishments will be handed out left and right, but will vary in severity

Lance Hobson 4 years, 5 months ago

If JJ’s mother is getting paid by a now known bad actor with no ties to Kansas while also being recruited by schools with more allegations than KU I don’t see how we could be punished much, if at all. KU is a victim here, too.

[''] 4 years, 5 months ago

The parents of these players are idiots for jamming up their kids and the schools they attend!! Not saying the kids didn't know but -- if your conniving mom says: "I'm taking this $" you think a kid is going to be able to stop her? I say put the parent in jail right next to the agents. And KU should NOT stand by them. Anyone who does this to their kid or their university is NOT a Jayhawk. Good riddance and you get what you deserve!

Len Shaffer 4 years, 5 months ago

So let me get this straight: you're saying that someone who takes a small amount of money, which is often seriously needed by someone in the inner city, should be put in jail??? Seriously???

[''] 4 years, 5 months ago

If it is a violation of a law - Yep! Next question?

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

It's nice to know just how open-minded and fair you are as a person.

Terrence D Cernech 4 years, 5 months ago

If the player is 18 years old or older then whatever a parent does has to be considered separate from the player who is a separate legal entity . If the parent took some money then that parent could lose their NCAA eligibility but not the player. Any activity of a parent is outside the scope of the NCAA's authority. To punish an 18 year old player for what their parents do will open the NCAA up to legal action.

Phil Leister 4 years, 5 months ago

By that logic, couldn't an agent pay the parents of a top recruit $100k to steer them towards a particular school? Where does it stop?

Spencer Goff 4 years, 5 months ago

This is exactly what happens after they ruled on Cam Newton. The NCAA is their own worst enemy, they literally gave agents and boosters the method by which to pay athletes.

Dustin Peterson 4 years, 5 months ago

No one seems to have a problem that this happens to Congressmen...

Dustin Peterson 4 years, 5 months ago

Seems to me that we've already been down this road, both at KU and other schools as well. We had this same kind of thing happen with Ben McLemore. A relative might have taken agent money, but Ben didn't know. We were fine. Anthony Davis' dad took money, but Anthony didn't know. Kentucky was fine. Cam Newton's dad took money, but Cam didn't know. Auburn was fine. Josh Jackson's mom took money, but unless Josh knew....

Matt Gonzo 4 years, 5 months ago

I understand there’s issues going on here but how in the heck can a program be held accountable for the action of family members? How are KU or coach Self supposed to police/monitor what’s going on hundreds of miles away from the campus?

Can you imagine what the NCAA tourney would be like with all these schools banned from the tourney? The poor ncaa might not make good money, for shame

Hopeful this doesn’t damage KU badly.

Armen Kurdian 4 years, 5 months ago

it seems tenuous at best, maybe this is along the lines of what the deal was with Cliff Alexander's mother as well. And maybe she was duped too! Maybe she had not malicious intent, or knowledge, or was just taken advantage of. Instead of sanctioning a school that in all likelihood had no idea nor could know this had happened, sanction the agent or loan officer somehow, not sure how that would work. But I'd be ticked if there was any kind of punishment to KU for this if they didn't know, which is probably the case.

Jeff Emerson 4 years, 5 months ago

Imagine if KU were stripped of one of its 13 in a row conference championships. That would mean WOODEN/UCLA would hold that record - WOODEN, who invented the damn practice of buying players and having starlets on tap whenever recruits were on campus. #IronySucks

Spencer Goff 4 years, 5 months ago

I thought the same thing too, the dirtiest of dirty would be hailed as the "clean program and record holder." People may not like Bobby Knight, but I like how candid he is about what was going on in UCLA in the Wooden era.

Harlan Hobbs 4 years, 5 months ago

Maybe I am just being a "homer", but frankly, I don't see much here as it relates to KU. The monies mentioned are pretty small potatoes in the form of "advances" and "loans" from agents.

Obviously, I would prefer that KU not be mentioned at all, but the fact is that Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina, Michigan State, Texas, Wichita State, Alabama, et. al. are also mentioned, most of them to a greater extent than KU.

The shady side of agents has been around forever. My guess is that they will focus on the biggest offenders and give mild punishments, if any, to the others.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

Agree except when it comes to Arizona. They seem to be the biggest offender so far and I'm willing to bet they get every bit as much as Louisville did.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 5 months ago

I tend to agree with those commenting on the size of this being a significant factor. I just can't see KU having to vacate wins, lose scholarships or any of that for a 2,700 deal with a parent, not KU, not the player. I think the ncaa would lose in a court of law trying to hold other parties responsible for the actions of others they had no knowledge of. That is just impossible and even if it is some ncaa rule, our judicial system would most likely strike it down. Cam Newton, hell, that was over 100k wasn't it? That's a lot harder to hide (from the player or the school) if all of a sudden some parent gets that kind of money. 2,700 is lunch money. I'd say they make Josh pay the money back and move on down the

Brian Mellor 4 years, 5 months ago

The ones who really need to be the most exposed in all of these incidences are the people who are approaching the players and families to loan them money. Future players and their families would benefit from knowing who the sharks are that may get them into trouble. But their names rarely make it into the papers. I wonder why that is . . . ?

Brian Skelly 4 years, 5 months ago

The question as always comes back to who knew what and when. If loans were made to Josh Jackson's mother from an agency, to be frank, how is that a violation of the law? Now, an NCAA violation possibly. But was this money fed from a KU source?

I read the Yahoo! story as well. At this point its a lot of noise. It certainly does appear the FBI can do the job of the NCAA better than the NCAA. Which one can do when you have a bottomless pit of taxpayer money at your disposal.

Im not worried about KU at this point. If you see the list of teams (and dollars) you'd have to fold up the NCAA tournament if all these teams were ineligible. That wont happen.

It's the old Jerry Tarkanian (an NCAA evader if there ever was one) -- "The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky, they put Cleveland State on 3 years probation".

The cash cow teams may get dinged, but they wont go away. Look at UNC.

Lawrence McGlinn 4 years, 5 months ago

The biggest issue here could be increased scrutiny. Let me state clearly, I have no evidence of anything, but I remember when I went to KU my friends and I always joked about how the b-ball players had suspiciously nice cars. Of course, that is all local, and who in Lawrence would make an issue of that? Certainly not the police or university officials, just like in Lexington, Norman, Durham, etc. There is great demand for good players and not much supply, and successful coaches make millions. More scrutiny by the likes of the FBI or enterprising journalists might not reflect well for big-time programs, including, unfortunately, KU. I'm not even suggesting crazy stuff like what went on at Louisville, just a blind eye to perks that benefit players. Hopefully, the players are patient enough to wait to get paid until they get to pro leagues. I am just a cynic by nature, and I am objective enough to see the danger for KU. Except for JJ, KU's OAD players haven't really worked out great for a range of reasons, anyway.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 5 months ago

Except for JJ? There was just an article about how Josh hadn't been performing well to start the season. Stark contrast to Wiggins and all star Joel. Haven't compared JJ to others but that's 2 No's off the top of my head.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

Not really. Joel has become a very successful NBA player. Unfortunately, injuries hampered his career at Kansas and pretty much became a nonfactor.

That leaves Wiggins, Xavier Henry, Josh Jackson and Ben Macklemore.

Edward Daub 4 years, 5 months ago

Comparing the FBI and NCAA is similar to Comparing Apples and Oranges!

One Picture is worth 1000 Words! If Apple Ain't Happy, Noooooooobody's Happy!

Lets also hope that "Eli's Not Coming" back for a 3 Dog Night Concert!

Brad Watson 4 years, 5 months ago

I like Josh Jackson and I hope everything turns out OK for him and his family. Good Luck!.

Brian Leslie 4 years, 5 months ago

I imagine Josh's Suns teammates are ribbing him about "that's IT?? Man, you were cheap."

Corey Sparks 4 years, 5 months ago

I'm sorry I love KU been a fan since I was 4. But if you all think self is clean you are delusional and willfully ignorant. All of the blue blood programs cheat. Same goes for KU. Same goes for all the too coaches. The only thing that makes not so nervous is the fact that, we for the most part do not get the big names. Yes every few years we will grab a Josh Jackson/A Wiggins. But for the most part it's Duke/Kentucky who get those guys. We typically get lower named athletes and build them up over 4 years, recent examples Frank Mason, Devonte Graham.

But I keep seeing "we pride ourselves on being a clean program." Just stop. Be real.

Marius Rowlanski 4 years, 5 months ago

That's your opinion. It certainly isn't a statement of fact unless you have some evidence to back it up.

Which I'm sure you don't.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 5 months ago

go back to your bar stool in aggieville

Corey Sparks 4 years, 5 months ago

Brad, Josh will be fine he's a professional athlete getting paid millions. He will be fine

Steve Zimmerman 4 years, 5 months ago

I think FBI doesn't have anything better to do these days.. How in the world getting a loan from an agent imposes any risks to the rest of the Americans. How would these athletes perform any harms to the citizens of USA with that money they're getting? Buying a fancy car is a federal crime?

Kent Richardson 4 years, 5 months ago

Is JJ in violation of an NCAA rule that would make him ineligible? That's when KU would have used an illegible player and would maybe have to vacate wins (and why not losses too).

If KU basketball, or an entity associated with the program like Adidias or a booster was involved then they are culpable if they weren't then they are not.

Not a case of lack of institutional control as far as we know. So no penalty would be in order.

Now the programs who have active roster players will have to investigate and determine if it is prudent to play them.

I can see the NCAA willing to slap KU, MSU, ISU, WSU and UK around but Duke, NC and Villanova?

There are scary amounts of money in this business and you can bet, football and baseball have the same stuff going on. What makes college BB a little different is the one and done situation.

Rob Byrd 4 years, 5 months ago

Dirk, I think he was saying "except for JJ as a OAD AT KANSAS, NOT AS A PRO.

Mike Greer 4 years, 5 months ago

This potentially answers a lot of questions about Preston. If, and this is a big if, Apples, having been a collegiate player herself, took money, which she has denied, then how could I expect other parents to know not to do similar. My economic status has jaundiced my point of view, as I would never do something that would have implications on one of my children, but then, I don't have to.

Brian Leslie 4 years, 5 months ago

The really interesting question right now is what do you do with current major players named, such as Miles Bridges (MSU), Kevin Knox (UK), and Wendell Carter (Duke). KU pretty clearly had "something" happen with Billy Preston and essentially forfeited his season because of it. Will these other schools step up to the same standard that, once they find out about wrongdoing, the player sits until definitively cleared by the NCAA? (Which will end the season and career of the three I just named.)

Also, let me be "that guy" that mentions that this is bad timing with new reports that school shooter Cruz was reported to the FBI, they apparently spent a couple of hours following up and couldn't figure out which Cruz it was and gave up. But they're ALL OVER this college basketball stuff with a full-time task force.

Allin Herring 4 years, 5 months ago

Well here is another OAD that has bitten us in the butt!! We could stop this madness by quit recruiting OADs. Most of ours have been marginal anyway so let stop!

Andy Tweedy 4 years, 5 months ago

Marginal? The 1st and 3rd picks in the same NBA draft? Josh Jackson? A lottery pick in Oubre? Man, I'm not sure by what standards you're judging these guys, but marginal wouldn't be the word I'd use!

Aaron Paisley 4 years, 5 months ago

Selby, Cliff, Diallo, Preston ended up having a marginal at best impact at KU.

KD Krase 4 years, 5 months ago

So where is Billy Preston on the list? Will we ever hear the final story on him?

Bradley Sitz 4 years, 5 months ago

The F.B.I. makes their cases by locking people under oath into tight statements. And, then, the US Attorney indicts them, not for the original issue, but on charges of lying to the FBI. Usually, the original crime is not what gets people prison time, it is usually the attempt to cover-up the truth. Remember ticketgate back in 2006. So, tonight the worry for KU fans is what is contained in the over 400 hours of wire tap conversations, in addition to all of the sport agent's computer and written records, that were made between the two cooperating witnesses and all of the Addias sponsored schools. The FBI loves to release info over an extended period, drip by drip, to get others to flip. Bottom line, the US Government, with unlimited resources, has decided to go to war on NCAA men's basketball. All big time Addias head coaches are in serious jeopardy. The US attorneys are not going to waste their time on mid-majors or losing programs. They will intentionally focus on the premier programs to get the biggest bang.

James Mathews 4 years, 5 months ago

I personally believe coach Bill Self. If these athletes are victims it’s due to an archaic system. These athletes are Adults and are well schooled in the legalities and problems of gifts, cash etc. If JJ’s mother says it is a lie, I believe her. In the end the University Takes the fall. Time will tell..... The sky is not falling.

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