Saturday, November 25, 2017

Notebook: Zenger endorses Beaty in rebuilding process; Wise and Armstrong will weigh NFL decisions

Kansas defensive end Dorance Armstrong Jr., right, chases after Oklahoma State quarterback Mason Rudolph as he scores a touchdown in the first half of an NCAA college football game between Kansas and Oklahoma St in Stillwater, Okla., Saturday, Nov. 25, 2017.

Kansas defensive end Dorance Armstrong Jr., right, chases after Oklahoma State quarterback Mason Rudolph as he scores a touchdown in the first half of an NCAA college football game between Kansas and Oklahoma St in Stillwater, Okla., Saturday, Nov. 25, 2017.


Stillwater, Okla. — The moment the University of Kansas football team’s season ended with a 58-17 pasting at the hands of No. 18 Oklahoma State, athletic director Sheahon Zenger sent out a statement in support of head coach David Beaty.

Although Kansas went 1-11 overall and experienced its second winless Big 12 record in Beaty’s three seasons, Zenger got out in front of any potential questions regarding the coach’s job security.

“Beaty and I have been evaluating the program throughout the season and will continue to do so now that the season has concluded. While we know the results of this season are not acceptable, the rebuilding of this program is a process, and Coach Beaty will continue to lead us through it,” Zenger said in the statement, just after Beaty’s record as head coach dropped to 3-33 overall and 1-32 against FBS competition.

“I’m excited and encouraged about the coaching staff's recruiting efforts and the facility upgrades we've made thus far and those we are about begin,” Zenger added, while endorsing Beaty heading into the offseason. “As we all know, recruits want to see first-class facilities; thanks to some amazing benefactors who understand what it takes to build a program, we plan to provide our coaching staff with even more recruiting resources.”

Beaty, of course, expressed his appreciation for Zenger’s words at his press conference, minutes after those were released.

“Well, it means everything, obviously. Very exciting just to continue to have it reinforced as we go through it,” Beaty said. “They understand the vision and I’ve been very clear about how we build it. Unfortunately when you go through rebuilds there isn’t always a quick fix. Sometimes there is, but it will be short-lived if you’re not careful.”

KU’s coach stated he and his staff are attempting to salvage the program, which hasn’t won more than three games in a season since Mark Mangino was forced out in 2009, “the right way.”

“Trying to do it with guys that have three to four-plus years to where we can develop them. That’s a senior-laden football team right there,” Beaty said of Oklahoma State (9-3 overall, 6-3 Big 12). “You look at all the teams in the conference that have seniors.”

Beaty then thanked KU chancellor Douglas Girod, as well.

“He is a worker, grinder and he understands the process. He understands that it’s about work and he understands that we value and love this university as much or more than anybody could ever imagine,” Beaty said. “We’re going to work tirelessly to continue to work to get this thing to where we can all be proud of it as soon as we can.”

Where will Wise and Armstrong be in 2018?

Although it appears a near certainty Beaty will remain KU’s coach in 2018, whether the team will benefit from the presence of defensive linemen Daniel Wise and Dorance Armstrong Jr. a year from now remains to be seen.

Both Wise and Armstrong in the weeks ahead will look into the possibility of leaving KU early in order to enter the NFL draft.

Beaty, though, said he isn’t worried about such a scenario, because “that’s the goal.”

“If it’s the right time for them, I’m going to help them pack,” Beaty said of either prospect potentially entering the draft. “That’s why we brought them here, right? Our job is to make sure that we help these guys get themselves developed to maximize their first opportunity in that league. Their first opportunity. The good news is we’ve got a couple of guys that might be on that radar, which is good.”

Wise, who made eight total tackles, including three tackles for loss and a sack, in his junior-year finale, said he isn’t in a rush to make a decision on the draft.

“Love this university, love our fans, love coach Beaty, coach (Jesse) Williams, coach (Clint) Bowen, all of them,” Wise said. “I’m going to make the best decision that fits me with my family and everyone else when we sit down and talk later on, now that we have time to focus on that.”

Armstrong wasn’t made available for postgame interviews on a day he tried to battle through illness and make an impact. The junior defensive end left the game in the second quarter with four total tackles. Beaty said Armstrong was sick “all night” Friday and had been on a regimen of IV fluids in an attempt to get him healthy enough to contribute.

“He did everything he could. He just didn’t have anything in him,” Beaty said. “Couldn’t hold anything down. Just unfortunate, because I know he was excited to play in this game.”

Adeniji played hurt; and more injuries

KU left tackle Hakeem Adeniji put off surgery on his injured shoulders to start every game this season.

Scheduled for surgery on a torn labrum Monday, Adeniji said he suffered one such shoulder injury in the preseason before having the same befall his opposite shoulder during an Oct. 7 loss to Texas Tech.

“He’s played the entire season with two torn labrums, which, that’s amazing,” Beaty said of Adeniji, describing it as competing “with his arms strapped down. Stud, man.”

Adeniji will have surgery on the opposite shoulder at a later date.

Beaty revealed right guard Chris Hughes, replaced at OSU by Larry Hughes in the starting lineup, also will need surgery soon. The same goes for junior safety Emmanuel Moore.

Safety Tyrone Miller Jr. broke an ankle during the season finale, and also has a shoulder injury that must be addressed. When Miller left the game, safety Mike Lee replaced him. Lee, who had missed the past two games due to injury, finished with five tackles.

“Guys, this is college football. That’s the way it is. I don’t know if I’ve ever seen this number,” Beaty said. “I mean, we had 11 guys coming into this game that had surgeries and season-ending injuries that were more than that.”

One more for the road

The 2017 Kansas football season ended just as the previous seven before it: without a Jayhawks road victory.

KU extended its unenviable major college football all-time record road losing streak to 46 games in Saturday’s season finale at Oklahoma State. KU’s massive skid began in 2009, with a loss at Colorado, roughly a month following the program’s last road win, at UTEP, on Sept. 12, 2009.

What’s more, the loss marked the program’s 49th consecutive defeat outside of Lawrence, when neutral site games are included in the span.

Kansas hasn’t won a Big 12 road game in even longer. On Oct. 4, 2008, the Jayhawks won at Iowa State. They have lost 41 conference road contests in a row since.

Bender says he'll be back

Although junior transfer Peyton Bender lost his starting job late in the season to Carter Stanley, Bender said after KU's 2017 finale he plans to return for 2018.

“I’m fully on board," Bender said. "I love the university, love being here. So, yeah, I’ll definitely be back.”

Bender returned to the starting lineup at OSU when a knee injury sidelined Carter Stanley.

New captains

With typical KU captains Armstrong, Wise, Joe Dineen and Jeremiah Booker stripped of those duties after the previous week’s handshake snub of Oklahoma quarterback Baker Mayfield, four Kansas seniors replaced them in that capacity.

KU selected Jacky Dezir, Kyle Pullia, Ben Johnson and Kellen Ash to serve as captains at Oklahoma State.

Dineen’s junior-year production

Kansas redshirt junior linebacker Dineen came up just shy of his 10th double-digit tackle output for the Jayhawks in the finale, totaling nine stops.

Dineen, who suffered a season-ending hamstring injury in the third game of 2016, bounced back to lead KU with 135 total tackles and 23 tackles for loss. That mark tied Dineen with Charlton Keith (2005) for most tackles for loss in a single season in program history.

More news and notes from Kansas vs. Oklahoma State


Barry Weiss 4 years, 7 months ago

1-32....there is no pretty way to paint that picture.

Mike Hart 4 years, 7 months ago

1-31...that is also not accurate in addition to not painting a pretty picture

John Fitzgerald 4 years, 7 months ago

3-33... what type of picture does that paint for you?

Kevin Robert Fest 4 years, 7 months ago

Run run run to the NFL. Don't waste another year going 1-11. Unless either is close to getting their degree they should leave.

Robert Brock 4 years, 7 months ago

Price to get into next season’s home games: a can of soup for the Food Bank. Campbell’s is OK - Progresso even better.

Frederick Heckel 4 years, 7 months ago

A can of soup will cost more than a KU football ticket.

Jim Stauffer 4 years, 7 months ago

If the NFL drafts them after this year's performance I will be very surprised.

Steve Corder 4 years, 7 months ago

Perhaps, but will they want to leave primarily to escape?

Bill Kackley 4 years, 7 months ago

Brett, you probably don't even attend games. Just watch on TV and bitch. I hate we are losing also and I can't say that hiring Beaty was the best hire at the time but I do know that changing head coaches at thsi point would be the worst thing we could do.

Lawrence McGlinn 4 years, 7 months ago

Not if we hired a competent coach. I smell booster buddy-ism here. Somebody with deep pockets likes Beaty, regardless of results. Oh, well. Maybe he will learn to teach basic football awareness and skills over the winter....Not...

Andy Godwin 4 years, 7 months ago

More like someone with deep pockets is not willing to invest in a fourth football coach within 7 years. They already help to buy out Gill's and Weis' contracts and would rather put money into facilities that will be standing for a longer time than the people on the KU coaching carousel.

David Kemp 4 years, 7 months ago

With only 20k fans in stands we lose 20 million plus per year revenue. Doesn’t take a big donor who knows business to figure that out. That can buy facilities and coaches

Lawrence McGlinn 4 years, 7 months ago

The lack of $$ to hire another bad coach makes some sense. But I think the overall state of the program is a net loss in revenue with tickets sales, lack of enthusiasm from boosters, etc. And if it led to KU falling out of the Power 5 in a few years, then it is really a problem.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 7 months ago

Long time season ticket holder. Sorry, that straw man don't float.

Freedman Moor 4 years, 7 months ago

"I do know that changing head coaches at thsi point would be the worst thing we could do."

Sadly, I agree.

Brian Wilson 4 years, 7 months ago

Spot on. It will really take two more years because its the Sophomore class that is finally large enough to carry 20 plus recruited Scholarship Freshman players into their Senior year. And, the Freshman class is also almost as large and talent wise even better. Once those guys get 3-4 years in the system and weight room...which is next year.....we should begin to see some improvement. I predict win 3 next year and then more than that in 2019.

David Kemp 4 years, 7 months ago

Yes, avg 16.9 ppg 2nd worst power five and defense 129/130. Not going to beat anybody!

Adam Bengtson 4 years, 7 months ago

Weigh NFL decisions? KU needs different players on the roster....those current players I can’t imagine weighing options about the NFL. This site tries to paint a turd a lot about football but my goodness can we stop beating around the bush with current players and athletes on the field? They suck as college players and who would want any of these players on a roster. For the die hards who will defend the better players as a NFL option, get real. Practice squad and release after couple years isn’t a path. Be great citizens and just put the pads down.

David Kemp 4 years, 7 months ago

2 mediocre players leaving early for nfl? Good luck with that.

Titus Canby 4 years, 7 months ago

Armstrong and Wise both have great potential, but I have a tough time seeing either of them getting drafted... this year.

[''] 4 years, 7 months ago

I could list 10 coaches (all.under $4 mil/year) that could come here and make us bowl eligible in 2 years. Beaty will not win 4 games in the next 5 years.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 7 months ago

Except that the budget at this point is $1.6M/yr.

I don't think the entire coaching staff is even $4M.

Matt Gauntt 4 years, 7 months ago

There are at least 36 coaches that make less than Beaty.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 7 months ago

But none of the coaches that make less than Coach Beaty are at a P5 school. Coach Beaty salary is the very bottom of the major conference coaches.

Gerry Butler 4 years, 7 months ago

I think I would be a little more careful about what I posted about someone else there Johnny, calling them something if you can't even spell the word right your trying to call them. - -Talk about Stupid - - - Stupid. lmao -- Stupid is -- Stupid does

Jim Keen 4 years, 7 months ago

"if you can't even spell the word right your trying to call them." I think you mean "you're", Gerry... not 'your'. Eh?

Brett McCabe 4 years, 7 months ago

So, I pulled the two-deeps from the entire conference, using the Our Lads web-site. I assigned each player a 1, 2, 3 or 4 for their class. Totaled up the numbers and found some interesting things...

Baylor is the youngest team in the conference. Not KU. And Baylor is a much better football team than we are. In virtually every possible measurable.

KU is the next youngest, but KSU is just above us. They won 7 games and may win 8 this year. And OU? The conference leader? They are the fifth youngest team in the conference.

No one expected a youngish KU team to go bowling this year, even if the coach foolishly started publicly started setting that bar during the preseason. What was a reasonable expectation? W's against SEMO and CMU. A possible W against Ohio and a win at home against a winless Baylor team, who is younger than us and who had passed through a gauntlet much worse than the Zenger/Weis malfeasance. And, a KU team that was generally more competitive, not last in virtually every statistic in the conference, more polished, more competent...

Those were reasonable goals, They weren't even remotely met. Next year, you'll still have Beaty trying to make up his mind about his starting QB during the pre-game coin-toss, Wise and Armstrong will be gone (if they are both wise and arm strong) and you will have a near-empty stadium for every home game.

What bothers me about the Beaty excuse-makers is that they state two opposing views in their defense of this calamity. "We are too young to compete, but Hull's recruiting class is going to save us". Here's some bad news, the cavalry isn't coming. The work that needed to be done to make us better this year and next year had to be done two and three years ago, while Beaty was running around like a Yell Leader on amphetamines, coaching every position, running off his QB's, changing his O.C.'s and recruiting transfers and JUCO's who made the roster worse.

The problem with KU football isn't our facilities. It isn't our fan base. It isn't our youth. The problem is that Sheahon Zenger has decimated the football program with the two most inexplicable head coach hirings in P5 football in the last ten years.

The least that these two buffoons could do is own up to their idiocy and quit playing the blame game. It makes me want to puke.

David Kemp 4 years, 7 months ago

Couldn’t say it better and buffoons is being polite.

Sam Walters 4 years, 7 months ago

Excellent post and you're absolutely right-on in everything you stated. However, this is the coach we have going forward (praying going forward is only one more year, since we are looking at another 1 win season) and I for one am going to practice a little patience. I'll still watch all of the games I can from my home in CO and hope for some improvement along the way, but ultimately my fingers are crossed for a new AD hire some time next football season and for our administration and new AD to do everything in their power to go get Dave Doeren to replace David Beaty. If for no other reason than aesthetics we should wait til after week 13 to can Beaty and announce the coming-home-hire of Doeren a couple of weeks later. RCJ.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 7 months ago

Not every JUCO & transfer worked out by a long shot, but it certainly didn't make it worse. Most of the JUCO's were here for Spring Ball the year they were recruited, which is a great help, especially when we had such a limited roster, but many also came with 3 years of eligibility, or at least 3 years to play 2. That's not a whole lot worse than recruiting HS players. In the end, the roster is now finally getting back to full strength, so you are way off on your roster comment.

You also love to bring up "running off QB's" when in fact they run themselves off with their play. 7 INT's in 2 games as the starter will do that to a QB. And it most certainly is appropriate to recruit another QB, even a JC QB, because we really don't have one Big12 QB. Until we get a QB who can complete 60% of their passes, we will continue to have more 3 and outs than productive drives that repeatedly put the D in difficult positions and opponent points.

Gordy Hoffman 4 years, 7 months ago

Beaty and Zenger will be fired by this time next year. Why do other programs change coaches and very quickly begin to win? It's obvious Zenger and Beaty is the problem.

John Brazelton 4 years, 7 months ago

Tom and Brett, you guys need to take some Quayludes (sp) and calm down, If your lives only revolve around KU football, you need to find other forms of recreation. If North Korea drops an EMP overhead, KU's win-loss record in any sport won't matter very much to anybody.

Al Martin 4 years, 7 months ago

Congratulations. That was a really stupid post.

Richard Quinlan 4 years, 7 months ago

Beatty and Zenger should be fired immediately , Beatty is as incompetent a coach as you could find. Zenger has screwed up everything he has been allowed to touch including allowing one of the top BB teams in the country to be relegated to mickey mouse tv networks for the first third of each season so a majority of national KU fans can't see their team. Neither have done anything well period. FIRE THEM BOTH

Jim Keen 4 years, 7 months ago

Headline in Nebraska’s “Big Red Today”... Nebraska fires football coach Mike Riley after three seasons

Nebraska fired its third football coach in a decade Saturday when the program dismissed Riley, hired in 2014, after just three seasons. He finished 19-19 at NU and had the shortest stint as Husker head coach since Pete Elliott, who coached the team one season in 1956. “Mike Riley has brought tremendous professionalism and energy to the Nebraska football program, but unfortunately, those attributes have not translated to on-field success,” Nebraska Athletic Director Bill Moos said in a press release. “After a thorough review of all aspects of our football program, I have chosen to move in a different direction.”

A .500 record in three seasons and fired after an embarrassing 56-14 loss to Iowa yesterday. 19-19 record in the last three seasons. We can only dream about a record like that. Hopefully Dr. Girod will understand that Kansas football fans deserve no less than Nebraska fans. Three years is enough time. Time to move on. We should be reading headline in the LJW tomorrow... KANSAS Fires AD Zenger and HC Beaty... Search on for New Athletic Director and Head Coach.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 7 months ago

Polar opposites.

If Coach Self had posted .500 seasons to start, he would have been gone as well. Expectations are completely different for the 2 schools and programs.

Maurice E. King III 4 years, 7 months ago

Can't wait for next seasons excuses. US Department of Justice should be investigating this. Zenger and Beaty are con-men. A con-man never tells you the truth. Zenger and Beaty tell you that all the right things are being done but "the winning" will take more time. The truth is that if we were doing the right things there would already more than 3 wins to show for it. Good coaches make a difference that you can see early on. Recent examples : Scott Frost @ UCF year 1, 2016 6-7 lost in bowl game ; year 2, 2017 12-0 ; UCF was 0-12 in 2015 before Frost Matt Campbell @ Iowa State year 1, 3-9 ; year 2, 7-5 win over OU and competitive in most games Jeff Brohm @ Purdue year 1 , 6-6 ; Purdue was 3-9 in 2016

There are fired coaches than can be successful at KU such as Bret Bielema. My wish list for KU Football:

Craig Bohl North Dakota St., Wyoming Bret Bielema Wisconsin, Arkansas

Dirk Medema 4 years, 7 months ago

Which of those coaches started with a 50 man roster?

Randy Bombardier 4 years, 7 months ago

Curious and curiouser. Arizona state fires Graham after 7-5 season. At least we're going in the opposite direction of this misguided trend. Its sick, and if indeed this trend continues it opens the door for more corruption in college football, win at all costs. Some good coaches have been fired for the most ridiculous expectations. Even now K-state fans are telling Snyder to stay out of hiring his successor. If Sean Snyder is passed over KU would be wise to snap him up and get his father (as unofficial consultant) in the process. Fans across the country are losing it. I'm very close to being done with football, sports in general. Gave up on NFL a long time ago.

Randy Bombardier 4 years, 7 months ago

Example, Mayfield benched for his antics for a whopping 2 plays.

Dyrk Dugan 4 years, 7 months ago

Frost is doing great at UCF; not near as tough as the Big 12 though, with 60 schollies. We’re not firing this coach; so get over it already. Quit floating names, they’re not going to be the coach here. Everybody can’t see the bigger picture; as an institution Kansas has had tons of football coaches; about every three years, we change coaches. There is no continuity; it’s bad cop then good cop; it’s nonsense really. Do you think that’s not noticed in the intercollegiate football world? And really, Turner Gill a better coach than David Beaty? Please. Because he had 5 wins in 2 years? (MM was 24-13 his last 3 years). He had MM’s recruits, and misused them frequently (Chris Harris, exhibit A). He had one year with four non league games; and won two of them. 56-7 trailing at the half vs OSU; 13 yards per carry given up vs Ga Tech; and on and on. SZ and DB didn’t start the downward spiral; but they deserve a chance to end it; for sure at least slow it down. When Beaty took over, plenty of pundits and scribes talked about a long term project; five or six years. This is year three; that’s half of six. It’s not enough time.

Lawrence McGlinn 4 years, 7 months ago

For me it is not a matter of time; it is a matter of how the team looks. They look poorly prepared. Their technique is not good. They look confused on the field too often. The players pull a stunt like the handshake debacle. That is the kind of thing that should look better after 3 years, and it does not. And I don't think another year will change that if it hasn't already.

Randy Bombardier 4 years, 7 months ago

Unbelievable. Sumlin, one of our best coaches just not quite good enough.

Kevin's tenure included some remarkable achievements and he leaves our program as one of the winningest football coaches in our storied history," Texas A&M athletic director Scott Woodward said in a statement. "Kevin made us a better all-around football program and led our program with dignity and character. He's a first-class person.

"Our expectations at A&M are very high. We believe that we should compete for SEC championships on an annual basis and, at times, national championships. I believe that we need a new coach to take us there. On behalf of Aggies everywhere, my thanks to Kevin and his family for his service to Texas A&M. I wish him the very best."

But hey, you're in the SEC. At least that was one smart move. (Sarcasm)

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