Saturday, November 4, 2017


Tom Keegan: Clear need emerges on cloudy day; time for change

Kansas linebacker Osaze Ogbebor (31) stops Baylor Bears quarterback Zach Smith (11) on a third down during the first quarter on Saturday, Sept. 4, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.

Kansas linebacker Osaze Ogbebor (31) stops Baylor Bears quarterback Zach Smith (11) on a third down during the first quarter on Saturday, Sept. 4, 2017 at Memorial Stadium.


The flyover before kickoff Saturday morning at Memorial Stadium could be heard but not seen. The cloud that has hovered over Kansas football for nearly a decade blocked it from view, a harbinger of what was to come on a day in which little went according to plan.

Baylor, which opened its season losing to Turner Gill’s Liberty University squad and came to town winless, left with a 38-9 clobbering that pushed Kansas into sole possession of last place in the Big 12.

KU's record dropped to 3-30 under third-year coach David Beaty, who has a 1-23 record in Big 12 games and a 1-29 mark vs. FBS competition.

Either Baylor has come a long way since losing to Gill’s team or Kansas has gone backward since firing Gill or maybe a little of both.

Kansas athletic director Sheahon Zenger fired Gill after the Jayhawks went 5-19 in two seasons, but the team’s academic performance was an even bigger factor in the quick dismissal.

Charlie Weis, Zenger’s first hire, was hired in part to clean up the academic problems in the program. To a large extent, he did so by dismissing a large number of players, which created a scholarship void he filled by loading up on transfers from four-year schools and junior colleges. That quick-fix approach that led to an imbalance in recruiting classes set a barren table for Beaty, Zenger’s second hire.

Beaty started with fewer scholarship players than an FCS school, went 0-12 his first season, 2-10 his second and after an upset of Texas received a contract extension that included a pay raise from $800,000 to $1.6 million, still on the low side for a Big 12 coach, and a $3.2 million buyout.

The scholarship gap that Beaty inherited has been largely closed, although not 100 percent of the way. That was part of what gave him confidence heading into his third season.

“We said long ago that Year 3 should be a year where we start seeing dividends,” Beaty said at Big 12 Media Day in July.

It hasn’t happened and with three tough tests remaining — at Texas, at home vs. Oklahoma, at Oklahoma State — it’s not going to happen.

After Saturday’s loss, Beaty bristled at the suggestion that Baylor coach Matt Rhule has inherited a challenge similar to the one he inherited at Kansas.

“Well, I'll say this: They're nowhere near where we were. We were down 30-plus scholarships. They're not even remotely close to that,” Beaty said. “I said that there's some things that they're facing. So they're not even close to where we were. We're still not there. But that's no excuse. Like I said, Matt is a good coach. He did a good job.”

Playing short of scholarships is no way to compete in a tough conference, but the problems run far deeper than scholarship numbers, given that this year’s team has fared similarly to Beaty’s first in Big 12 play.

In 2015, Kansas went 0-12 and in nine Big 12 games was outscored by an average margin of 47.8-12. In six conference games this season, KU has lost by an average margin of 46.2-13.7.

KU played its best game last week, losing to Kansas State, 30-20, which created the opportunity to get a little momentum going for the program with Baylor in town. Nothing carried over from last week’s improved play on offense and defense and the most stunning numbers in college football grew.

Zenger’s hires, including interim coach Clint Bowen, whose team played with more passion than Weis’, have combined for a 10-59 record, 5-58 vs. FBS competition, 3-48 in Big 12 games.

Despite the failure to identify a fix for the football program, Zenger received a contract extension that included a $1.4 million buyout from outgoing chancellor Bernadette Gray-Little.

New chancellor Dr. Doug Girod now basically has limited paths from which to choose:

1 - Leave Zenger and Beaty in place and still face the same combined buyout of $4.6 million a year from now if nothing changes. This runs the risk of ticket sales plummeting to an even greater degree, thus leaving tons of money on the table. It also begs the question: What has either man done at Kansas to suggest that he will figure out how to fix KU football?

2 - Replace Zenger now with an interim athletic director and find a new AD in time to hire a new football coach.

If no major donor is ready to pay the freight on the buyouts and the more expensive football coach, the chancellor must hit up KU Endowment for help to stop the football program’s bleeding.

— See what people were saying about the game during's live coverage.

More news and notes from Kansas vs. Baylor


John Fitzgerald 4 years, 9 months ago

Before John Brazelton chimes in with his typical bashing of Tom Keegan I’ll say “shut the hell up.” I agree 100% with Keegs. It’s time to pull the plug.

Bill McGovern 4 years, 9 months ago

Man I wish I could like this comment more than once. Brazelton is a real piece of work.

David Kemp 4 years, 9 months ago

Wow, a standing ovation for that blunt but truthful assessment.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 9 months ago

If you look at the statistics, it's hard to believe that there is even a discussion.

Beaty says that Ruhle didn't face anything close? Their program almost received a death sentence. They have 40+ guys on their two-deep who are freshmen and sophomores. They were playing away, winless at 11am.

There are about a hundred reasons that Beaty and Zenger should be fired, and those idiotic comments make it 101. Power Surge. Different Direction. Give me a break.

I am excited at the prospect of a new AD, a new coach and a chance at a real future for KU football. The players deserve it, the fans deserve it and it's about frogging time.

Austin Lopez 4 years, 9 months ago

All the blame goes on Zenger for not hiring a proven coach while he has been at Kansas! It's time to put up the cash to get a good coach! You pay for what you get, as long as the university wants to be cheap they won't get a good HC.

Dale Rogers 4 years, 9 months ago

I don't disagree with most of what I've read so far in these comments but want to point out that it's unlikely we're going to find a "proven coach" willing to take on this challenge. After all, if they're that good, they'll find a much better seat than this one to fill.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

There are 2-2.5 mm per year reasons to change their mind.

Jeremy D. Morris 4 years, 9 months ago

I think the few dozen fans left with me at the end of the game agree with Keegan. We have gotten worse each year since Mangino was fired and we need an Ad who can actually manage a football hire.

Marc Frey 4 years, 9 months ago

We have a huge talent gap vs every team in the Big 12 and a few others. Even Baylor ran through us. The bottom line is the coaching staff has not developed our players. Even after 3 years we are out hustled, outcoached, and out classed by our opponents week in and week out. We need coaches that can make 2 and 3 star players better. This staff is not doing it.

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 9 months ago

Yes this is the common thread among the failed coaches. They've all landed recruiting classes that were comparable to what Mangino was getting, and what Iowa St and K-State have been getting.

I really wonder how many of the guys Beaty has brought in who looked intriguing when they signed could blossom under a new coach. If we have untapped talent, the right coach could have some early success as we don't have many seniors. Or maybe Beaty's been taking anyone with a pulse to fill out the roster.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 9 months ago

The roster has been filled with a number of players that have been around for multiple years, and working diligently to improve the team, but would not otherwise receive a scholarship from KU much less any other program.

Dee Shaw 4 years, 9 months ago

The FAT man should have never been fired.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 9 months ago

Please stop. Mansion being fired is the least of our problems. It's the hiring, not the firing.

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

Your right, Doug. The comment from Dee Shaw is really dumb.

Oh wait, did you mean something else?

Joe Ross 4 years, 9 months ago

Mangino should never have been fired. I'll say it too. (Although technically, he wasn't "fired".)

Lonnie Ross Dillon 4 years, 9 months ago

1) Enough with the Mangino love. The man and his team lost their last 7 games. Not only had they completely given up, but Mangino's recruiting had dried up and had left no talent in the pipeline. His success was due to a couple of flash-in-the-pan recruiting classes. His long term success was already headed in the wrong direction. Stop it already. 2) I'm not happy with our lack of success either, but to say Zenger blew the hire is missing the fact that he didn't have a lot to choose from...a "proven" coach simply ain't coming to Kansas so enough with the pipe dream (only exception might be a proven coach that sees KU as a challenge) More than likely we'll have to find an up-and-coming coach and hope lightning strikes. Mangino was such a hire but unfortunately he petered out (and despite your memories was a bully...more so than normal or acceptable)

Brett Fuller 4 years, 9 months ago

If it happens bring back interim AD Drue Jennings. He did us a solid by hiring Bill Self.

Robert Brock 4 years, 9 months ago

Zenger is a cancer on KU football. Get rid of him. NOW!

Dirk Medema 4 years, 9 months ago

Zenger has done a good job with the rest of the programs, but football is certainly a problem.

Ashwin Rao 4 years, 9 months ago

Really? How is Women's basketball doing?

Barry Weiss 4 years, 9 months ago

there is no pretty way to paint the picture that is KU football the last 3 years. We are going backward. We got throttled, at HOME, not even competitive, against the worst team (other than us) in the b-12. The product Beaty has produced is not worthy of being in the b-12. For the sake of the University of Kansas, please end this misery.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

Each game costs $135,000, we should have fired Beaty after game 3 when he couldn't compete against MAC school. Since we did not, it has cost the University nearly $1 MM, by not terminating early.

Beaty has eliminated our Texas recruiting and has distanced us from top Kansas recruits.

He has hired unsuccessful offensive coordinators. Has retained clearly the worst Defensive coordinator in college football. I believe ranked outside the Top 115 for all his years as an independent DC qualifies.

He is 1-23 in Big XII play, 2-1 against FBS teams, 0-6 against non BXII teams.

He was hired to get us out of a hole...he has not.

The people that extended Beaty should be investigated as well.

Pius Waldman 4 years, 9 months ago

Recruiting better players is a must no matter who coaches them. Because Kansas is a rather sparse populated area and competing with K-State means limited 5 star players and those generally find schools away from Kansas. Texas and other areas have many 5 star guys but getting commitments to KU is very difficult. We can't eliminate football to remain in a Power 5 conference so we need to consider the problem. Firing coaches hoping to get a better one is a challenge. I remember the pride we showed when Weis was hired. Man he coached in the pros former coach at Notre Dame. Yet he wasn't capable of running a down program and he left it in shambles. We need to show support to our present players and staff. After the season evaluations should determine what to do.

Barry Weiss 4 years, 9 months ago

well, "after the season" means after three more blow out losses. Why wait? For recruiting purposes, make the change....NOW!

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

I can't believe you want to wait 3 weeks to evaluate Beaty. As you wait to evaluate...KU will spend an additional $400k.

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

If you remember the pride when Weis was hired, you were clearly not paying attention. Many of us were quite concerned that he couldn't even win consistently at Notre Dame.

Michael Sillman 4 years, 9 months ago

I am at a total loss to explain why a program that even respected national analysts felt was trending in the right direction suddenly fell off a cliff this season. The only significant change that I see that would affect the entire team was the new strength and conditioning coach.

Is it possible that the team is just not in good enough shape to play Big 12 football this year?

While I really like Beaty and felt that he was doing all the right stuff, today's display on the field clearly shows the need to find a new coach as soon as possible. I still believe that the talent available to a new coach will be much better than what was left for Beaty.

Unless the new AD finds a pot of gold somewhere, it will still be necessary for KU to take a chance on an unproven coach again. Hopefully we will have better luck on the next hire.

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 9 months ago

I've been wondering this myself. The biggest problem I see is a lack of consistent effort. They showed up against K-State, and that was it. Beaty has lost the locker room in the same way that Turner Gill did - the players still love him as a person, but he can't get good effort out of them.

I think being a former recruiting ace probably led him to be too far toward the players' coach end of the spectrum. He is very willing to kick people off the team for off the field issues, but no one other than Dineen is playing hard. Think about it - how many assistants who were known primarily as recruiters went on to be great head coaches? In any sport? I think the strength and conditioning theory might have merit - Jackson compensated for Beaty's lax attitude, and the new guy isn't doing that.

John Myers 4 years, 9 months ago

I'm exactly the same way, Michael. While they may not be the best, our coaching staff doesn't appear to be total idiots and while they may not be the best, our players don't appear to be total scrubs. I had extremely modest expectations for the season, but how in the world we can manage to regress and be the absolute worst team in existence just doesn't make any sense at all.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

When I see TV analysts in real time breaking down our schemes and our personnel in the incorrect position, I might challenge their coaching ability. I'm not a coach and I won't learn as much as Beaty has forgotten, but it doesn't mean he is a good coach for Ku. the thing that will put it over is if Bowen is retained.

John Smith 4 years, 9 months ago

I don’t see why Zenger and Beaty should need to be fired. They should resign.They should be able to look at their own horrendous record and be ashamed and realize they don’t deserve to be in their job. They have made KU a national laughingstock.

Frederick Heckel 4 years, 9 months ago

There's 4.6 Million reasons why they wont just resign.

Layne Pierce 4 years, 9 months ago

Frankly, If and when we do start over, we need a new committee of people looking at all the potential coordinators ready to be head coaches in the nation. Specifically we need to see a track record of someone who developed 2 and 3 stars into allstars. Most important characteristic is someone who demands attention to detail. Mason and Mangino were both no nonsense people, who simply would not play people who were sloppy. It's the only way were going to break through this. Another requirement is someone who will match the plays with the players, and who has a real strategy for winning. We have not had that, for years. We put players on the field and hope that a miracle will happen. Why is it that Baylor hired a coach with a plan, and so did Iowa St, KState with the same quality of players has been kicking our ass for years.
I'm sorry but any honest person has to see the situation for what it is.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

At least get rid of Bowen, that has to be at least a few years overdue.

Richard Duran 4 years, 9 months ago

The "Great Recruiter" hasn't delivered a quality QB. And his staffs have been mediocre at developing talent. Mason and Mangino won with the likes of Chip Hilleary, Asheiki Preston, Bill Whitmore, Todd Reising, Hilleary was an All Conference pick! Those guys had top notch assistants, like Hankwicz Bill Young, Ed Wariner, Golden Pat Ruhl, I know i'm misspelling all their names. But this guy has had a lousy staff. he needs to give up this "Air Raid" dream and run an offense that fits his personnel. I bet Stanley and Starks would thrive in Mangino's spread. How many good players are gonna wither on the vine at KU? How many James Sims, Ben Heeney, Steven Sims, Armstrongs are gonna leave Lawrence with no success? Kahlil Herbert is gonna end his career as a solid player with no wins. He reminds me of Terry Allen, a polite loser who would get beat up on Hawk Talk and say "Yeah we suck. We deserve that." I wonder, when Beatty wakes up does he look in the mirror and say "Man I'm crushing it!" He and Zenger have got to go. And so does Bowen. I love the guy and he loves KU, but he is constantly outmatched. i watched Dave Doeren's team give Clemson all they wanted for 3 quarters today. He could be the man in Lawrence, but Zenger hired a guy who couldn't win at Notre Dame. Its time to cut our losses.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 9 months ago

I bet each of those assistants made more than Beaty had been as HC. The assistants were ridiculously low paid.

Dirk Medema 4 years, 9 months ago

Good article Tom. I appreciate that you presented the breadth of the situation even if some commenters remain oblivious.

Probably the only thing you missed is that we currently only have 6 (?) scholarship athletes. I think any coach would be hard pressed to win with this young a team, but it still is feeling like they are underperforming. I wasn't excited about replacing 4 DBs and was counting on Baldwin solidifying the OL, but the problems seem to exceed those. With a full senior class next year, we should be better than this year, but then last year I thought we would also be better this year because they would be another year more experienced.

Len Shaffer 4 years, 9 months ago

What are you talking about??? What do you mean we only have six scholarship athletes?

Jamey McGilbray 4 years, 9 months ago

Next KU Football Coach

  1. Mark Mangino
  2. Jim Leavitt
  3. Craig Bohl
  4. Willie Fritz

I just want a competitive coach. The guys on this list compete.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 9 months ago

Add Bo Pellini and Troy Calhoun to that list and put Mangino at the bottom. No more coaches that no other Power Five Team would hire unless there is something unusual - like Calhoun's offense.

Also, make sure that we don't get a guy who chases off half the players on the roster - like Charlie Weis or Bear Bryant at A&M. We need a builder, not a wrecker.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 9 months ago

Here's a name to consider.....

Jeff Monken from Army. 7-2 this year, 8-5 last year. Great coaching resume as an assistant and wins with players other teams don't recruit.

Consider this path: Girod, an Army veteran, does a direct-hire of Monken. Zenger is retained to move forward with the stadium and facilities rebuilds. Zenger is NOT extended and does not hire any other coaches for any other sports. At the conclusion of his current contract, he moves - somewhere. The other option is Keegan's suggestion of moving Zenger over to the Williams Fund and is put in charge of the Stadium renovation. He's also put in charge of bringing in the $3 million we owe Beaty.

Consider that A&M will be hiring (my money is on Kiffin), Tennessee will be hiring, Florida will be hiring, Nebraska will hire Leach, so WSU will be hiring, Illinois might be hiring, Arkansas will be hiring. My guess is that Arkansas hires Pellini. Tennessee will try to hire Matt Campbell. Florida will likely hire Frost.

Our next coach is going to have to have a wart. An option offense would be ideal for KU in the Big 12. A coach who wins through system, execution and development is a perfect match for a school that has never, ever been consistent. We need a calming, consistent force.

Jay Hawkinson 4 years, 9 months ago

I like the Monken suggestion. Not a big fan of retaining a neutered Zenger. Keegan had a good suggestion a few weeks ago - move him to a role at the Williams Fund. He does seem to have some ability in fundraising and facility management, so that could work.

Also, Illinois will give Lovie Smith at least one more year after this. But in general you are right, there will be several programs ahead of us in line.

Suzi Marshall 4 years, 9 months ago

The direct hire of Monken is an outstanding idea, as is the idea of moving Zenger into a new role.

Lawrence McGlinn 4 years, 9 months ago

I like this, too. Monken's system won't appeal to the Big Boys, but it is a system based on grind-it-out consistency that would allow us to win non-conf games and games against weaker Big 12 teams. Army plays defense, too. And KU's athletes would be an upgrade for him over Army, which is lucky to get 2 star players. He's smart, also, so if KU improved he could incorporate a more diverse attack.

Brad Avery 4 years, 9 months ago

Politicians are able to raise millions from a lot of small contributors. I don't have am extra $4.6 million in my pocket, but I would be more than happy to contribute to the long overdue departure of the athletic director and his hired hand.

Steve Johnson 4 years, 9 months ago

Maybe they can give the uniforms to Free State and have them stand in for this horrible team the last couple of games. Make sure whatever they decide is ok with Coach Self. Don't want to do anything that upsets the basketball program. Not sure if Zenger is even involved with Self as I would think Coach has 100% control

Joe Black 4 years, 9 months ago

Why trash the only consistent program at KU? Self has nothing to do with the football program or who KU hires to run the football program. Stick to the subject at hand, a terrible football program that is going no where but backwards. New leadership is needed. Bill can handle the basketball program just fine, the new AD needs to handle everything else.

Chandler Accipiter 4 years, 9 months ago

Why do we need an AD to hire a new coach? Arguably the best hire KU ever made, Bill Self, was hired by a committee.

Jeff Coffman 4 years, 9 months ago

Girod . Has now waited 6 weeks too long to make adjustments in football, his seat needs to start warming.

If he thinks Zenger and Beaty are sufficient he might be a problem as well.

Bill Cohen 4 years, 9 months ago

Hire Leach and pay whatever it takes!!

Barry Weiss 4 years, 9 months ago

what he inherited at Washington State was arguably what we have at KU now. The worst facilities, tradition of losing, just a program on the rocks. Now look at what the pirate has done! Amazing! And a no BS guy, which is what we need!

John Brazelton 4 years, 9 months ago

Firing three football coaches in a row (each averaging 2 1/2 years of tenure) is probably not going to get you a good replacement coach unless he can guarantee himself a HUGH payout like Charlie Weis. Our primary problem this year has been key injuries to key players at the wrong time. Yesterday, we lost both Mike Lee and K. Taylor in a defensive backfield that was inexperienced and had no depth to begin with. My only argument with Beaty is he should be playing Starks in one or two series at the end of these blowout games. And secondly, we should be modifying the Air Raid offense to meet the needs of our current offensive personnel.

Dillon Davis 4 years, 9 months ago

OMG you are actually defending John Fitz was right to call you out. Injuries are so far down the list as to why we have lost games this year. How can a rational, knowledgeable fan look at this team and think that this is going to get better? What has Beaty and Zenger done in the past 5 years to make you believe that this is going to get better? Is it our great recruiting class that now is at 10 commitments and dropping each week it seems like? Is it our 1 big 12 win in Beaty's 3 years? It's a joke. He's a joke. He was an average offensive coordinator at po dunk Rice and he got the job because he was supposed to be able to recruit Texas talent. Hasn't done it. He is a positive guy and has a knack of selling BS which must have been what Zenger bought in the interview.

I agree, firing coaches every 3 years is not a formula for success. That's obvious. But that is the position that ZENGER has put us in and unfortunately we have to keep moving on. Go out, spend the money necessary to get a PROVEN head coach and yes you will have to include a big buyout and guarantees and all that because of our track record with coaches these past 7 years. But it has to be done. The program is crippling and it's so obvious to all of us rational fans.

Chris Browning 4 years, 9 months ago

Ken Niumatalolo...head coach of Navy.

Whoever we hire, we will be about 12-13 on the list of teams that need a coach. Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida, Nebraska, Illinois, Washington State....they will all need new coaches.

I still can't believe that we had a good, competitive program from 2003-2009 and then flushed it down the toilet because some of our players didn't like how a football coach, coached. Look where we are today. Shaking my head in disgust and disbelief.

The destruction of Kansas football has many levels, AD, Coaching and Players. But I'll leave with this, we simply have a Head Coach who hasn't a clue coaching players who don't have the ability to play D1 football...mash it all together and you get a 3-33 record, weekly beatings and no competitiveness.

Dillon Davis 4 years, 9 months ago

Wash St is a top 25 team? Why will they need a new head coach. Leach isn't leaving unless by choice.

Brett McCabe 4 years, 9 months ago

The Navy coach would succeed anywhere but I've read that he wants to stay at Navy (though I'm not an expert on that). I think he'd probably only leave for a big-time job, and big-time programs are afraid of his offense. The school that should hire him is Tennessee. Enormous resources and fan interest, and they've been irrelevant since they let go of Fulmer. They also could use a "system" offense. My guess is that they don't have the courage.

Brian Skelly 4 years, 9 months ago

My position on this hasnt really changed, it's simply there's no defense for keeping Zenger or Beaty at this point. People who seem to worry about the football stadium funding for significant upgrades gets derailed somehow by Zenger leaving doesnt understand how this works.
Look, Beaty seems like a nice guy. So nice, his ability to motivate kids on Saturdays clearly isnt that of his opponents. Zenger cant have the privilege of hiring 3 head football coaches, sorry he cant.
KU's revenues are in the top 20% of D-I schools as is. It needs to pay up for a real football coach, instead of spending like a MAC team on football. Even if it pays up for a head coach, it's STILL going to be at the bottom of the list compared to what jobs are going to be available.
I don't envy the parties involved here. It's an up hill climb no matter who does what here. And it's going to cost more money than KU is used to spending on football. Maybe that's part of the problem to begin with.

Layne Pierce 4 years, 9 months ago

WANTED: Football coach at Kansas University, the school that produced Gale Sayers, John Riggins, and John Hadl. Must have a record of player development at all levels, 2, 3, 4+stars.

Must have a football management philosophy involving performance discipline, attention to detail, and development of winning attitude, must have a record of competitiveness.

Must have demonstrated record of hiring competent assistants.

Must be a good communicator, with the ability to react to conditions during the game.

Must be able to demonstrate football philosophy and plan to be competitive, and develop program through time.

Must be willing to work under most generous initiative bonuses in the country.

Please provide 3 coaching references.

SEND TO: Football Coach Search Committee University of Kansas, Lawrence, KS ONLY SERIOUS CANDIDATES NEED APPLY!

Brad Watson 4 years, 9 months ago

Its time for Gene Chizik or Rick Neuheisel....both can recruit and both want to coach again...and hire an AD who is a former football coach.

Richard Duran 4 years, 9 months ago

NO. NO Gene Chizik. he flamed out at Auburn and was no winner at Iowa St.

Chris Condren 4 years, 9 months ago

Every week KU sets records for football futility! Have we had anything from Zenger or Lester about the embarrassment that is Jayhawk Football? They hide in their offices and hope that something good will happen so they are not held accountable for their actions in destroying Kansas Football. And Beaty he practices how to deliver the same tired excuses in his post games conferences to explain why KU suffered another blowout loss. Man this script is old. I am shocked the the University does not have something to say to the few beleaguered fans still interested in the program.

Thomas Green 4 years, 9 months ago

This is just a though, albeit out loud. Hiring a coach that can recruit seems like a bad idea. Hiring a coach that can actually coach is mandatory! A coach that can coach will win, which makes recruiting so much easier! Not the other way around. Get a coach that is truly a football coach who knows how to teach and be tough when appropriate! We need a football coach...a serious can’t live without it football coach! Winning will take care of recruiting. How much arm twisting does Nick Saban have to do when he’s trying to convince a recruit to come to Alabama? Why is our basketball program so good? Because we have a real coach! Texas and Baylor basketball are perfect examples of my point. They recruit incredibly, yet coach poorly. They don’t win consistently. Just give us a damn football coach...for crying out loud! That all we want!

Thomas Green 4 years, 9 months ago

One more thing, since I’m writing out loud. It really doesn’t matter what all of us think we need in a coach unless and until the powers in charge realize we are at or beyond defcon 5 and incredibly drastic measures need to be taken to literally preserve our existence! If they don’t get that, our fate is forever sealed and all of our thoughts and wishes really don’t mean a crap!

Mick Dupas 4 years, 9 months ago

I think its hard to believe that Iowa St. has such superior talent over KU, that is ranked 15th in nation in their second year with their hire of Coach Mat Campbell (from Toledo) is coaching baby, and Zenger cannot hire a good coach...FIRE ZENGER FIRST !

Bryan Mohr 4 years, 9 months ago

Bret Bielema (if fired), Dave Doeren (miracle), Scott Frost (not likely), Blake Anderson, Greg Schiano, Lane Kiffin (not likely), Jason Candle, Craig Bohl, Willie Fritz, Mike Norvell (not likely), Larry Fedora (if fired), Jim Leavitt, Seth Littrell, Mark Mangino (miracle)

Randy Bombardier 4 years, 9 months ago

Although i think hiring Mangino would be just, most would say never rehire someone you screwed over. Frankly that puts him in the best possible position for revenge. Sorry, but it needed to be said.

Could he do what he did before. I think so. Would he? I have no idea. Something tells me his treatment stole a little of the fire in the belly. I completely understand.

Personally i have consistently questioned goingbthe direction of air raid. I believe if Nebraska was still in this conference running the Tom Osborne system they would own it.

If we want to be competitive, run first, control clock,, throw enough to keep them honest, and when you do throw it, throw it downfield.

We need someone who builds and develops young men, their commitment to team, this ain't baseball where all eyes are on you.

And hiring someone just for recruiting? How stupid. Our current roster is no worse than Iowa State and look at them. This group of players need a coach and program that knows what its doing. Clearly neither coach nor AD know. Unfortunately they will never admit that. They will certainly never resign and i have every confidence that pc is more prevalent at KU than business moxie. So, i expect business as usual. It's sad to see an institution with such promise being content to assume a posture of class under pressure. The administrative peers in the conference will pat you on the back while laughing inwardly. Even the Chancellor will be looked at differently by his peers as this charade continues. Pathetic.

Thomas Green 4 years, 9 months ago

Just took a look at the coaches hot seat link. At least Beaty is top 5 in something. 😡 The difference between Beaty and some of the others is the administration at the respective top ten hot seat coached schools WILL actually do something at the end of the season! How many of you folks can confidently say something will be done at Kansas?

Maybe somebody should do an AD hot seat ranking. Who do you think would get the number 1 ranking? I know who I’d chose for that infamous spot if I did a ranking. I’ll give you guys a hint: His name rhymes with a certain snack cake made by Dolly Madison!

Charlie Gaughn 4 years, 9 months ago

Here are some other numbers to consider:

10 - The total number of wins we'll have in the six year Zenger debacle (2012 - 2017). The next worse in school history is 11, between 2011 - 2016, 12 between 2010 - 2015. You have to go all the way back to the 1936 - 1941 six year period to get close when KU won only 14 in that stretch.

$38 million - the amount of money the athletic department will have to replace if the Big 12 once again addresses reallignment and decides there's no reason to continue to subsidize a non-contributor.

2 - The number of touchdowns KU has scored in the last 17 quarters of play.

So these are all signs of improvement...? TG you're absolutely correct. It is time for change. As a minimum, Zenger has got to go. Let the new AD assess the coaching position when he gets hired. If he/she decides that a fourth year is merited for Beaty, that's fine. We've just reached a point where Zenger should have no furhter input into the program.

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