Monday, March 14, 2016


Tom Keegan: Strange bracket does KU no favors

Kansas coach Bill Self speaks during a news conference following the NCAA Tournament selection show on CBS, Sunday, March 13, 2016. The Jayhawks were given the No. 1 seed in the South Regional and will play Austin Peay on Thursday in Des Moines.

Kansas coach Bill Self speaks during a news conference following the NCAA Tournament selection show on CBS, Sunday, March 13, 2016. The Jayhawks were given the No. 1 seed in the South Regional and will play Austin Peay on Thursday in Des Moines.


Two questions:

No. 1: Is my memory failing me, or did Kansas University defeat Oklahoma in that triple-overtime thriller in Allen Fieldhouse and again in Norman, Okla., when Devonté Graham outplayed Buddy Hield?

No. 2: Am I incorrect in thinking that the No. 1 overall seed, and not the defending national champion, is supposed to be rewarded with the least difficult path to the Final Four?

I ask these questions because when I looked at the bracket, the first two things I noticed were that No. 2 seed Oklahoma and No. 4 seed Duke, both in the West region, were given easier roads than Kansas to the Final Four. I still like KU’s chances better than theirs, but its seems KU drew the short straw despite winning the Big 12 regular-season and tournament titles and finishing 30-4 with 14 consecutive victories.

Not only that, KU has the toughest potential second-round opponent of the four No. 1 seeds, facing either Connecticut, one of the nation’s hottest teams, or Colorado. Oregon plays the winner of Saint Joseph’s (22-7)/Cincinnati (22-10). North Carolina faces the USC (21-12)/Providence (23-10) winner. Virginia meets either Texas Tech (19-12) or Butler (21-10).

Compare KU’s potential second-round foes to those of Oklahoma, a No. 2 seed. The Sooners play the winner of Oregon State (19-12)/VCU (24-10).

Don’t blame tournament committee chairman Joe Castiglione, Oklahoma’s athletic director, for the Sooners’ easy path. Whenever a committee member’s school is discussed, he or she must leave the room until the discussion ends. But human nature is such that those who spend long, stressful hours in a room together are going to want to make the member walking back into the room happy, especially someone as respected and well-liked as Castiglione.

The committee made a number of strange decisions this year, which makes me believe several members relied way too heavily on the dreaded RPI. Better computer rankings, such as Sagarin predictor and, are available, but tend not to be used.

Let’s look at Nine schools from the South appear in the top 25 among teams eligible for the tournament (Louisville and SMU are serving tournament bans): Kansas Villanova, Wichita State, Miami, Arizona, California, Maryland, UConn, Vanderbilt. Five from the West are among the top 25: Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas AM, Duke and Baylor.

Plus, isn’t the reward for earning the No. 1 overall spot supposed to be staying in one’s own region, unless there exist compelling geographic reasons to do otherwise? I know that, as the crow flies, Louisville is three miles closer to Lawrence than Chicago is, but Kansas is a Midwest school and has a huge alumni base in Chicago. Send Virginia to Louisville, Kansas to Chicago. That makes for a shorter trip for Virginia.

It’s as if the committee felt guilty about giving Michigan State a No. 2 seed when the Spartans clearly deserved a No. 1 and made up for it with a trip to Chicago. Why not make the Spartans the top seed in the West?

“I thought, you know, if you are the No. 1 overall seed, it seems like to me there’s a lot of good teams in that particular region,” Kansas coach Bill Self said of the South. “Of course, there are going to be good teams throughout all the brackets, but I would say that the South region would be thought of by most of the pundits as being as strong as any of them, I would think.”

No question.

Kansas still is the smartest pick in the South to send to the Final Four, but it’s no easy road.

Well before the brackets were released, I wrote a story on 12 teams that had a shot to win it all. Five of those teams were sent to the East region, four to the South, three to the Midwest, and not one of them to the West. Strange, strange bracket.

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Leon Trotter 6 years, 3 months ago

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Danny Hernandez 6 years, 3 months ago

Tom, I too thought the same when I reviewed the brackets. In the end, you have to beat who ever is in front of you. And is this someone's idea of a joke? Kansas could potentially face CU/Tad Boyle in the Saturday game & Maryland/Mark Turgeon in the Sweet 16 if we/they win their respective games.

Town Thomas 6 years, 3 months ago

Because of Cheick Diallo, NCAA tried to do something to KU. KU has to realize this and beats every team in the front.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 3 months ago

Is it the NCAA smart enough to be that Machiavellian? When I look at the overall seeding, it seems obvious that those on the seeding committee are one clue short of being clueless.

Andy Hess 6 years, 3 months ago

Surprise surprise. A column complaining about our bracket. Such a victim complex. And for the record, North Carolina doesn’t exactly have an easy bracket either this year.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 3 months ago

Whatever challenges we face in the South, I'd rather have KU's "problems" than TCU's. CBS Sports just announced that TCU whacked Trent Johnson.

Joshua Hann 6 years, 3 months ago

Totally disagree. I believe KU has the easiest region. And fairly sure the tourney is not supposed to be "easy". Each round gets harder and harder, for each team that advances. Guess if easy is what KU wants, they could always decline the invite and go play the NIT......? I'm rather stoked that they got the South bracket. Louisville is only and hour 10 from me whereas Chicago is nearly 3.5. See ya all in the 'Ville in a few weeks! RCJGKU

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

You've got your bracket turned upside down. If you flip it upright, you'll see that Kansas clearly does NOT have the easiest region.

Joshua Hann 6 years, 3 months ago

Name a team that you are scared to see KU play.......Maryland fell off the face of the earth....Iowa gave up on the season. Miami? Do they give you nightmares? Villanova is the easiest of the 2 seeds, in my opinion. And these are only opinions.....mine is not incorrect. It's just different from yours.....Suppose we could have been "given" the Midwest bracket and had, what is in my opinion, the 2nd best team in the tourney, Michigan State.

Michael Leiker 6 years, 3 months ago

Have you seen Miami play much? They're a team full of 6-8 NBA looking players who have a ridiculously great PG who can get them all the ball. Miami is the real deal.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

You mean Angel Rodriguez who KU owned while he was at KSU?

Dirk Medema 6 years, 3 months ago

I think he was referring to Sheldon McClellan, who wasn't victorious against KU at UT either. In both cases, that was quite a while ago, and just like our guys, players develop over time. That's why McClellan has received many accolades this year.

KJ Quartermaine 6 years, 3 months ago

Clearly, KU does not have the easiest region. However, on paper, I feel like Carolina has the toughest potential Sweet 16 matchup against UK or Indiana. KenPom only has Maryland ranked 22. The toughest No. 2 seed is Michigan State. I think the South's No. 2 seed Nova will be eliminated in the Sweet 16 by Miami. I think KU probably has the second toughest region

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Aaron Paisley. I assume since I made the same points in the comments of an earlier article that Tom makes here (almost verbatim in some cases), that because you gave me guff over those comments that you share the same disdain for this piece as well.

Notable similar points...

  1. Kansas has a more difficult path as a 1 than OU as a 2.
  2. Joe Castiglione's involvement or lack thereof, and having to leave the room when the team is discussed
  3. The committee made some strange decisions this year
  4. The West being the easiest region.

Joe Ross 13 hours, 50 minutes ago: Joe Castiglione, AD at Oklahoma, leader of the Selection Committee. OU gets a very favorable draw in the tournament. As teams are being discussed by the Selection Committee, committee members who belong to the school being discussed are supposed to leave the room. But you decide. Kansas has a much tougher draw as a 1 seed than OU as a 2. The West Regional is clearly the weakest of the four. And the Selection Committee needs a geography lesson. Kansas in the SOUTH region as a number 1 seed, and Virginia in the MIDWEST?

I made my points before this article ever came out as you know. Again, Bill Self as you probably know already, has been very political in suggesting that the committee didnt do us any favors. But when you asked if I'd be "complaining", it wasnt entirely clear if your disapproval was earned on these points, on my recognition that Chicago is actually geographically a lot closer to Lawrence (as opposed to the assertion that proximity of general "areas" is best determined by intervening highway miles rather than straight line distance--the actual "nearness"--between the two general areas), or rather if it was some of both. So I thought Id address all potential sources of your discontent here.

Janet Olin 6 years, 3 months ago

It's not unusual for KU to get a tough draw, but you know something's up when Lunardi moans about how stupid it is for KU to be in the South, not the Midwest bracket.

Janet Olin 6 years, 3 months ago

I will not moan about who KU has to play; I hate whining and whiners. If what I've read and heard about the precedent of #1seeds being sent to the bracket closest to their area is true, then it is really appropriate to question the influence of OU's AD as chairman of the selection committee.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 3 months ago

I still think the East bracket is the most difficult but like Janet, I don't understand why the #1 top seed is playing in the South regional and not in the Midwest where we clearly reside. It just doesn't pass the smell test.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

You were complaining about KU being in the South in Louisville instead of the Midwest in Chicago so I asked you the following question: "Would you be complaining about KU being in the South if the South regional were in Houston, San Antonio, or Austin this year instead of Louisville?" You can also throw Dallas in there even though Dallas (technically Arlington) has only hosted 1 regional this millennium.

2015: MW (Cleveland)

2014: South (Memphis)

2013: South (Arlington)

2012: Midwest (St. Louis)

2011: Southwest (San Antonio) San Antonio and New Orleans each hosted regionals that year so we got SW and SE because both cities are traditional South region hosts

2010: Midwest (St. Louis)

2009: Midwest (Indianapolis) KU was a 3 seed and OU was a 2 seed so OU got priority placing in Memphis over KU.

2008: Midwest (Detroit)

In the past 9 years, KU has been in the Midwest 5 times and the South 4 times. KU has been split between to regions for the past decade so KU being in the South again this year isn't a big deal.

KU went out West in 2007 and 2006 and in the East in 2005.

Here's a list of past and future tournament sites and KU is closer to more of the South region sites that host 2nd weekend games they are to the Midwest sites.

Ideally, KU is in Midwest the next two year with KC and Omaha being the next 2 Midwest hosts and if those two cities join St. Louis in the regular rotation of Midwest Regional host cities, the Midwest/South ratio should trend more towards the Midwest when it's not in the heart of B10 country.

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Here is Joe Lunardi's answer:

This year? I almost don’t know where to start ...

First of all, why is Kansas leading the South Region in Louisville (slightly farther than the Midwest Region in Chicago)? Especially when Virginia is a good bit closer and should be in the South. It looks like a consolation prize for Michigan State, which would make sense and would also not be necessary if the Spartans were a No. 1 seed above either Virginia or Oregon.

Here is mine:

I don't have a problem with Kansas being in a South regional if that were the only consideration. But Kansas being in the South while Virginia is in the Midwest is farcical.

Imagine this. You procure an unlabeled map of the US. You accurately label only Lawrence, Chicago, and Louisville so that this is all that appears. Next, you draw a line between Lawrence and the other two respectively. What you're going to find is that Lawrence is over 60-odd miles closer to Chicago than Louisville. What's the rationale for this view? Simply that fan interest doesnt follow interstate corridors. But if you wanna go that route and pull out Rand McNally, you'll see that because you have to make a couple more right and left turns to get to Chicago than Louisville, the distance from campus address to the arenas in both cities actual means it's 3.3 miles closer to KFC YUM! Center than the United Center in Chicago. That's right. Left and right turns (last I checked, fan interest didnt have to signal when approaching intersections or zig and zag in 3-dimensional space). Three point 3 miles!!! An amount of distance substantially smaller than most elementary schools' areas of interest. You can't find two McDonald's restaurants that close in a major city!

For starters, "area of interest" is likely a standard held to uphold travel considerations by fans. At interstate speed that difference is covered in 2 minutes and change which makes the travel consideration a statistical wash. Consider that number as a percentage of a 550 mile trip. Which is all really beside the point because the rule doesnt specify how "distance" is gauged (whether by geographical nearness or by statutory highway miles) which leaves room for the committee to do the sensible thing and put the Midwest city in the Midwest, and the Southern city in the South. The geography is more in line with Chicago as the appropriate regional site, which is why Joe Lunardi, Bill Self, ESPN and yours truly are left scratching our heads.

For the years you listed where Kansas is in the South, you have to consider the S-curve if Kansas was not a 1 seed, and add in the rules for seeding number 1 teams (on page 4 of the rule) and those on the two line and lower (on page 5).

In answer to your question, I would certainly have a problem with Kansas' being in the South the years they were sent there if there were regional sites that were geographically closer to Lawrence as it is in the case this year.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

Why the hell do you want KU to be in Chicago with Michigan as our 2 seed so bad? KU has a 2 that hasn't made past the weekend in 8 years, KU has a 3 seed with next to no tournament experience, Our 4 seed depends on a pair of freshmen, our 5 seed has been struggling badly including losing to Minnesota a couple of weeks ago. UConn is the biggest threat to KU getting to the Final Four this year.

Do you really want to be in the heart of B10 country with the 2 best B10 teams Michigan St. and Purdue that would be lurking as the two likely opponents in Chicago?

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Get smart, Aaron. The first step is to field the four number 1s in the process. THEN you add the teams according to the S-curve. Since Michigan was the 1st number 2 seed, they wouldnt be in Chicago. They'd be moved.

From page 5 of the rules YOU SENT TO ME...

Procedures for Placing the Teams into the Bracket

1. The committee will place the four No. 1 seeds in each of the four regions, thus determining the Final Four semifinals pairings (overall 1 vs. 4; 2 vs. 3).

2. The committee will then place the No. 2 seeds in each region in true seed list order. The committee may relax the principle of keeping teams as close to their area of natural interest for seeding teams on the No. 2 line to avoid, for example, the overall No. 5 seed being sent to the same region as the overall No. 1 seed. The committee will not compromise the principle of keeping teams from the same conference in separate regions.

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Incidentally, Mike Golic on Mike and Mike was interviewing Jay Wright and made the point that Kansas got hosed (about the location). Just sayin.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

The committee may relax the principle of keeping teams as close to their area of natural interest for seeding teams on the No. 2 line to avoid, for example, the overall No. 5 seed being sent to the same region as the overall No. 1 seed.

Key word in there is may relax, not will. The only rule that is set in stone is there will not be teams from the same conference as top 4 seeds in the same region.

Where is S-curve mentioned in there?

Why the hell is this such a big damn deal to you? Did you already buy tickets to Chicago and you're pissed off you wasted your money or what. You're acting like this is the biggest injustice ever done to KU in the history of the NCAA tournament. Get over it, it's not that big of a deal. I would much rather have the opposite half of the bracket we have than what MSU has.

Name me a major university that doesn't have a sizable alumni base in Chicago?

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

The truth is that it didnt matter so much in the beginning but your patronizing and condescending response to my original comment made me bristle a bit (Im sure now youll deny your tone under the guise of plausible deniability, but I expect that). It's also interesting that your response shifts to something grandly analytical and reflective now from more substantive discourse given that your rebuttal to my comments has wilted under superior argument and ever-increasing popular public opinion (including the coach of our team and analysts far and wide). Nevertheless, the emergence of the ad hominem was predictable given the tone of your first response. You ask why it is so important and yet the vigor of your original reaction would be disproportionate if it were not so meaningful to you in the first place. Nothing has changed with your most recent comment, so the question is more appropriately directed to you rather than me.

On top of that, you're still wrong. The use of the word "may" in the rule does not signify "might or might not"; rather it is used to convey the allowance and appropriateness of suspending otherwise fixed rules (both of the example given, and other such situations it might represent). If you believed your own interpretation of the word "may" relative to the rule, then why did you make the case so adamantly about why I would want to be in MSU's bracket in Chicago, if truly the possibility existed that they wouldn't be paired? As far as the S-curve, it is very clearly conveyed in the rule, because there would be no ostensible reason to ensure the number 5 overall seed would not play the number 1 overall seed, except that the S-curve exists (cited in the rule as "true seed list order").

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

You can take my tone however you want to Joe. Just remember that first post I made was in response to you complaining about being sent to Louisville instead of Chicago.

The rule says they MAY change order to avoid placing 1 and 5 in the same region. It does not say they HAVE to which is the point you're trying to make. What it says is that it takes #1 and places them closest to home. It takes #2 and places them as close as possible to home, it takes #3 and places them as close to home as possible, it takes #4 and places them in the final region.

It's the same process for the top 4 seed lines. The difference between the top seed line and the 2nd through 4th seed lines are you now have the exceptions that come into play. The only ABSOLUTE rule is that teams from the same conference cannot be top 4 seeds in the same region. None of the other exceptions are set in stone like you're claiming. The exceptions being that teams that played 3 times cannot meet before the Final Four, teams that played twice cannot play again before the Elite 8, teams that played once cannot meet before the Sweet 16.

S-curve order and true seed list order are not the same thing. True seed list order means placing team 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 5, then 6, then 7, then 8 and so through 16. S-curve would be placing team 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, then 8, then 7, then 6, then 5. The S-curve is placing the strongest 1 with the weakest 2, the strongest 3 and weakest 4 together. Your explanations are implying that you don't understand what an S-curve is and is making the rest of your arguments flawed because you're starting from a flawed base.

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Keeping this on issues then.

The complaint I had about Louisville vs. Chicago has been echoed among all the pundits. Again, by our coach. Very few hold the opinion that Louisville was the appropriate designation for Kansas in the South Regional, so the complaint is clearly justifiable (especially when considering the rule as written). The committee got it wrong, and you dont have to take my word for it.

Again I ask you, if the rule has flexibility with the Committee, why were you so adamant that we would meet Michigan State in Chicago? Now watch this: I think I rather agree now that it's not a hard and fast rule. Did you see that? An admission after more reflection that my position may have not been entirely correct. Consider the example. But that is not the end of the story. The true seed line exists only because the committee will make every attempt to pair the 5th overall with the 4th overall, the 6th with the 3rd etc. The order in the S-curve is established in the seed line. This being the case, your concern that Kansas would meet Michigan St. is the LEAST LIKELY of all possible scenarios, because it would have placed the strongest team on the 2 line with the strongest on the 1. The committee is just NOT going to do that. This is why some teams which are close to home get sent to different regions further away. It is also the thrust for the example given in the rule (about avoiding a situation where a 5 plays a 1).

You will note that neither the S-curve NOR the true seed list is 100% reflective in the bracket because, as in this case you accurately point out, other considerations might come into play. But this is not a justification for your assertion that the Jayhawks and Spartans would meet in Chicago, because those considerations don't extend so far as to allowing a bracket that would create the kind of imbalance between the first and second seed lines by such a pairing. Do you understand this? Your explanation above is implying that you don't understand how the S-curve really works making the rest of your arguments flawed because you're starting from a flawed base.

Bottom line: Everything I said in the original comment was right. Kansas should have been placed in Chicago. They would NOT have met Michigan State if they were (a later point). And it would have been the most sensible outcome for the Selection Committee to have arrived at, viewing the geography through the letter of the rule. The fact that the Selection Committee didn't see that keeping a Southern team in the South at the same time keeping a Midwestern team in the Midwest is the very reason why many more reasonable people are saying they flatly got it wrong, as they often do. And that, my friend, is the long and short of this conversation.

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Finally, as a point of order as it were, you could have made your initial points in a tone that was more characteristic of the friendlier debates we have had. You're not obliged to, but I can assure you that you generate more thoughtful discourse in general and certainly with me in particular when you do. It's your call. I don't have anything personal against you and it's best left that way no matter who the ideological opponents are.

Last word is yours.

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

Check out KU Sports Extra: Bracket Breakdown (video). Matt and Tom have a problem with Kansas in the South as well.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 3 months ago

IF, if this team makes it to Houston we need to revisit the OAD vs. veteran’s debate. But that’s for another day. Looking forward to that discussion.

Joe Ross 6 years, 3 months ago

We haven't had it enough? lol. Is the discussion going to change anyone's minds? I mean both Cal and Coach Konsonants made it to the FF last year with notable freshmen, and the coach with the most success in reaching the FF over the last ten years has relied more heavily on freshmen than any other team in America. That will be unchanged even if Kansas makes it to Houston, especially because in a year where the numbers of phenomenal freshmen have been lower than in most recent years, veteran teams are bound to be the best ones.

I think people have already made up their minds about OADs.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 3 months ago

True Joe but even with the multiple final fours, Cal has only one national championship at Kentucky.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 3 months ago

1) I believe the jury is still out. Even though I’m leaning towards the latter, I’m undecided.

2) Coach Konsonant. That’s funny.

3) Could have sworn I said, for another day. There is still more data to be collected. If this season bears fruit it will have an impact on my opinion.

William Weissbeck 6 years, 3 months ago

KU's tournament history has shown that it's not the known threats that have gotten in our way. We can worry ourselves bald about player matchups. Every tournament there is some team that rides a special guard combo (UCONN) or a special player a long way in the tournament. Yes, Maryland and Cal present those potential problems. But our defense of late has hopefully demonstrated that one player is not going to beat us, and that we aren't going to spend all night chasing some other team's guards. The fact will always be, if your shots go down, and you play the defense that you are capable of, you usually win.

Kyle Rohde 6 years, 3 months ago

Stop feeding the whiny KU persecution complex. North Carolina got a tougher region than we did. If KU plays at all like they're capable of, they'll make it to the 2nd weekend, when all bets are off anyway

Brianna Zaleski 6 years, 3 months ago

Exactly. Every year it's the same diatribe.

If we play to our capabilities, we'll be fine. Let's talk about that and not how the selection committee screwed us.

Dale Rogers 6 years, 3 months ago

I agree with Keegan's comments but also remember that KU has more trouble with the "easy" teams and does better against tougher foes. So this might work out better for us.

Tracey Graham 6 years, 3 months ago

I'd rather play Colorado or Connecticut in the 2nd round than Saint Joseph's. St. Joe's is the best team of those three.

KU's bracket is very tough. But I don't think there is an easy bracket. All of the No. 1s are going to have to beat very good teams if they are to make it to the Final Four. I was happy to see that the Jayhawks won't be facing any mid-major teams, because those are the schools that tend to knock KU off early -- not the schools from the major conferences.

My only real issue was why was KU put in the South Region rather than the Midwest? That made no sense to me. Why isn't Virginia the #1 seed in the South and KU the #1 seed in the Midwest?

But whining about it is annoying. If KU plays up to their normal level, they should be able to get through the South to get to the Final Four. If they play like they have played in the NCAA Tournament the last couple of years, they probably won't, no matter who their opponent is.

Scott Smetana 6 years, 3 months ago

KU isn't in the Midwest because they want MSU $$$ there. Guess they figured they would travel to Chicago more than KU fans.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 3 months ago

For the record, and in total inconsequence of anything else, Kansas did NOT win the game in Allen Field House against Oklahoma. It was a tie.

Now I know that all of you will say "sour grapes", but I do not recognize any of this crap called "extra innings" or overtime. Two teams played in regulation time to a tie, and that is the end of it, period.

"Overtime" is just a scam invented by sports writers and poll takers that soothes the hackles of those who cannot accept this fact, that the game ended in a tie. Soccer seems to be the only sport left that does not embrace this fraud. A tie game is a tie game. You can play till the cows come home, but that does not change actual fact.

Jay Scott 6 years, 3 months ago

Fred. Extra innings has existed longer than lighted stadiums, radio and likely, you. Overtime in basketball is more recent, predating only television.

I'm pretty sure neither were implemented by poll takers...

Soccer has overtime BTW. Followed by penalty kicks.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

Soccer only has extra time and PK's in the knock out stages of tournaments. League play and group stages of tournaments regularly end in ties.

LJ Gee 6 years, 3 months ago

what a weird comment and even weirder and wildly irrelevant thing to think or complain about. Kind of reminds me of the "That Really Grinds My Gears" stuff from Family Guy

Brian Mellor 6 years, 3 months ago

"Basically, I'm an OU homer and this is a way I can spin physical reality to substitute my own."

  • Fred Whitehead Jr.

Fred Whitehead Jr. 6 years, 3 months ago

Yup, you got me!! I am an OU fan, have been for over 40 years, and this stupid opinion of mine stands. A tie game in the allotted regulation time means neither team wins, it is a tie. If you want to have extra time to accomplish what you could not in the regulation time, fine with me. Except when the over run in the game goes for 2 hours and 3 or 4 "overtime" periods.

It makes no difference to anyone's paycheck or rent payment. Just an opinion that I have had for years and apparently not a particularly popular one.

Steve Macy 6 years, 3 months ago

'just and opinion I have had for years and apparently not a particularly popular one". You nailed that opinion.

Steve Macy 6 years, 3 months ago

I too like soccer, but this is basketball, OT is standard operating procedure.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 3 months ago

LOL.. Are you for real Fred? Overtime/extra innings are a scam?

FYI Fred, in World Cup soccer there are no ties as first they play an extra period and if still tied goes to a shootout until one team wins.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 3 months ago

Not saying you’re wrong but if it is a scam invented by sportswriters, how do you explain college football? They have been playing it for almost a century and a half and in that time more than 350 national titles have been awarded. That’s a lot of ties, most of which were voted on by sportswriters.

Jay Scott 6 years, 3 months ago

The firings have started. Is Haase on the move this off season? Can't see him taking a Big12 job unless/until it's in Lawrence.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 3 months ago

I guess the only domino left to fall would be Weber. I think he'll be back next year but who knows.

Brad Mason 6 years, 3 months ago

How can you say we have the hardest bracket ? Of all the # 2 seeds, Villanova is the easiest to beat and not playing well--the other #2s are MSU, Xavier and OU-- a harder draw. And there's an NCAA rule if you play a team in your conference 3 times in the same season, you cannot play them in the NCAA tourney until at least Elite 8--so that rules out Baylor and WVU on the same side of our bracket.

LJ Gee 6 years, 3 months ago

Im a bit confused about all this talk about our bracket. First off, North Carolina CLEARLY has the hardest bracket. That bracket is absolutely brutal, in my opinion. As for KU, I dont think were going to struggle against worthy opponents. Additionally, lets not turn UConn and Maryland into these great teams. UConn needed an absolute prayer in the conf tourney to be here and may not beat Colorado, who is very young, and Maryland is is super inconsistent and not in any way clutch. I dont think the Big East is all that good so Nova doesnt scare me a ton either.

Dont get me wrong, Oklahoma has the easiest path and I would rather have had those teams in our bracket. I also completely agree that its very fishy that we ended up in the South rather than the MW, which not only makes more sense for us but also for UVA. I like that our bracket is somewhat tough but not nearly the bracket of death. I also love how few midmajors there are in our bracket.

Daniel Cummings 6 years, 3 months ago

Totally agree with you, LJ. As the #2 overall, UNC got no favors. I don't really get why the Pac 12 got so much love. Being in Denver, I see quite a few of their games (and have to listen to Walton!) and just don't think the conference was worthy of 7 bids (I mean, Oregon State?!?!) Doesn't do much good to project who we'll meet after this weekend...upsets happen. Our goal is to win a two game tourney each of the next 3 weekends without looking too far ahead.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 3 months ago

There's got to be away to turn off Walton and listen to the radio coverage. Listening to Walton is just brutal.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 3 months ago

Just another example of the NCAA's silliness.

Let the pundits who actually follow these teams closely have a fair say in forming the brackets.

The NCAA is a JOKE!

Steve Jacob 6 years, 3 months ago

It's a fair bracket. The West does looks weakest, maybe. I have not seen any Pac 12 games this year, Oregon crushed Utah in the Championship game 88-57 so they might be very good. I see the South as the second easiest, but I few UConn to be an above average 8/9 seed. I don't see much issues for KU in the Sweet 16/Elite 8. But as I point out often, 12 Big XII rings has brought only two Final Fours (so far).

The way KU is playing now, not going to Houston makes this season a bit of a disappointment, by Kansas high standards.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 3 months ago

Before Mr. Castiglione left the room he mentioned he was going on a beer and pizza run and that's probably what influenced the others.

I have no problem with our draw.

Michael Leiker 6 years, 3 months ago

I was scared to see Miami and Iowa in our bracket, both happened. Hope I am wrong. Miami has the best group of players in the tourney and are built to get hot. Again, hope I'm wrong but I think KU bows out in the round of 8 to the Canes.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 3 months ago

You're worried about 2 teams that are on the bottom half of KU's bracket that KU wouldn't play until the Elite 8. And the 2 teams you're worried about are a 3 seed that's just 4-3 in the past 7 games (one of the losses came to VaTech) and has only a handful of games of NCAA tournament experience from a pair of B12 transfers. And you're worried about a 7 seed who's lost 6 of 8?


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