Tuesday, July 19, 2016

Big 12 directs commissioner to evaluate expansion candidates

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby addresses attendees during Big 12 media day, Monday, July 18, 2016, in Dallas. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby addresses attendees during Big 12 media day, Monday, July 18, 2016, in Dallas. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)


The Big 12 is accepting resumes from expansion candidates.

The smallest Power Five conference took a significant step toward adding members Tuesday when its university presidents directed Commissioner Bob Bowlsby to begin evaluating schools interested in joining.

Oklahoma President David Boren said the board of directors voted unanimously during a meeting Tuesday in Dallas that coincided with football media days to take another step toward adding to the 10-member league, but they stopped just short of committing to future expansion.

“I think it’s a statement from the board that we want to move forward,” Boren said. “We’ve had discussion of the attributes of some of those schools that have come to us and expressed interest. And that we want to move forward and have a full evaluation of exactly the level of their interest, what kind of proposals they might make to us in terms of terms and conditions for joining the conference.

When the conference ultimately makes a decision and how many schools it might add are still up in the air, Boren said.

Bowlsby said his work could be done before the end of the football season.

“It’s possible that this could extend to our October board meeting, but it’s also possible that we could have a special meeting sometime between now and then,” the commissioner said.

The Big 12 has been a 10-team conference since 2012, after Nebraska, Colorado, Texas A&M; and Missouri left during the last major wave of realignment and TCU and West Virginia joined.

The conference has being batting around the idea of adding more members for more than a year and begins its search with plenty of suitors. The Big 12 has been getting pitches behind the scenes for months from American Athletic Conference schools such as Cincinnati, Connecticut, Memphis, Houston and Central Florida. BYU, a football independent, has made it known it wants into a Power Five conference. Colorado State has also reached out to Big 12 leaders.

“We’ve been contacted by a number of institutions, and I would imagine after this news breaks we’ll be contacted again,” Bowlsby said.

The Big 12 has already announced plans to reinstitute its conference championship game in 2017.

The reconstituted Big 12 in 2014 hailed its round-robin football schedule as the way to produce “One True Champion,” but the slogan looked silly when it ended up with co-champions that season. Both TCU and Baylor were left out of the first College Football Playoff. After that season, the Big 12 began to reassess.

Conference leaders decided not to overreact to one year’s results and instead studied expansion, along with bringing back the title game and trying to start its own television network.

Oklahoma reached the College Football Playoff as the Big 12 champion last season, tempering some of the conference’s nervousness. Firms hired to crunch the numbers for the Big 12 told the conference earlier this year that expanding would increase the chances of making it to the playoff and boost revenue.

Boren has been the leading advocate for expansion. He said the conference was “psychologically disadvantaged” by having only 10 teams. On the other side, Texas wanted to stay at 10 — and keep its own Longhorn Network in place.

In June, the Big 12 said starting a TV network was unlikely. Expansion also seemed unlikely coming out of those meetings. Even Boren was backing off.

But Monday, it was reported that ESPN will announce soon the creation of an Atlantic Coast Conference Network to start in 2019, a move expected to lead to a long extension of the conference’s grant of media rights. The grant of rights virtually locks conference members together.

Boren acknowledged the ACC news influenced the Big 12. He said “we cannot just sit on the sidelines and not be proactive ourselves.”

Big 12 leaders have acknowledged that none of the schools most likely to be added are a natural fit. None is guaranteed to deliver both highly competitive teams — especially football teams — as well as large new markets to increase the value of future media deals.

“I would say that we are looking for members that will grow over time as we grow,” Bowlsby said, “that will bring stability to the conference and that have a high top end, will benefit from an affiliation with the schools that are currently in our conference.”


Ben Kane 5 years, 11 months ago

since we're all about to jump on this carousel again, i just want to make sure that everybody understands this all about football. any conversation about expansion needs to focus on the sport of football, all else is irrelevant.

Chris DeWeese 5 years, 11 months ago

South Florida, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Memphis

Brett McCabe 5 years, 11 months ago

That's a good 4, probably as good as any, and we don't add any time zones - which I think is important. My money would be on +2 with Cinci and Memphis.

Let Houston twist in the wind, adding them hurts us. No more Texas schools.

I'd be interested in what Texas would say about adding two directional schools.

I'd also take UCONN as part of either a +2 or +4. For KU football, we need one less conference game and absolutely a hard no on Houston.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 11 months ago

Villanova would also be a good look for us. UCONN and Nova? That would be a solid add.

Brian Wilson 5 years, 11 months ago

Geographically speaking, Memphis, Cincinnati, Villanova all make sense with respect and all have football programs in the top 100. So does South Florida. Not sure they would jump but maybe some lower SEC like Arkansas and Mississippi State. Or how about Louisiana Tech. Their have been rumblings in the ACC so maybe Maryland, but Maryland and UCONN are not football strong. So are we adding basketball schools or football. I'm thinking they will be looking at football first. How about going west to San Diego State?

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

Maryland moved to the B1G a couple years ago...."Nova plays FCS

Jeff Coffman 5 years, 11 months ago

Going way out there: Florida State Clemson, Nebraska and colorado. If we opt for non power conference schools, I would go with byu, south Florida, central florida, and cincy. I wish we could kick out a couple as well...baylor for example.

I'm still thinking the conference will fall apart in two years so this might be moot anyways.

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 11 months ago

With the ESPN ACC network deal, I would say the odds of adding FSU and Clemson are zero. Nebraska, Colorado... They successfully escaped, why would they come back?

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 11 months ago

Cincinnati, Houston, Memphis and trade West Virginia to the ACC in exchange for Louisville.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 11 months ago

With the ACC Network's announcement, this is the time to call UT's bluff because independence is their only other option which means they'd still have to find a home for everything but football and with the LHN, there's still nobody that would take them.

If UT's opposed to somethimg, the rest of the league needs to be in favor of it.

Micky Baker 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm trying to think about which teams, if I could select any of those mentioned in the article about it today that I would chose to make the conference 12 teams again. They are listed in the order that I would ask them to join.

  1. Connecticut
  2. Memphis
  3. Cincinnati
  4. Central Florida
  5. BYU
  6. Colorado State 7, Houston

How the divisions would break down, that would be even more difficult to choose. I think it shouldn't be divided by geography, but with balance in mind. For example,

division 1

Kansas, K-State, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, TCU, and West Virginia

division 2

Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Connecticut, and Baylor

That would be a starting point, but we don't want it so that KU would have to play Texas, OU, Tech, or Baylor all in the same year if there were two divisions.

All else aside, it would benefit pretty much every program in the Big 12 greatly to be able to move back to 4 non-conference games each season instead of 3. It would allow the Big 12 to get more exposure against other power 5 conferences.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

This is a time to be forward thinking. Football may very possibly not exist in 20 - 30 years. No directional Florida schools with no history other than a few seasons of football. UConn is THE first choice. It has real academic prestige and excellent sports. If BYU is interested they're second. After that it's all a toss up. Cincy, Memphis and Houston make the most sense.

Brian Zachary 5 years, 11 months ago

I think the conference may have a wild card up it's sleeve. I think a big name may be willing to jump and thus the Texas change of heart.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 11 months ago

Texas did not change their mind. The Big 12 only has to have 75% approval for expansion which means the Big 12 needs 8 teams to vote for expansion. TCU is who changed their mind.

Brian Zachary 5 years, 11 months ago

I didn't necessarily mean the University of Texas, but at least 1, as you mentioned, Texas school has. I also think that UT may see the writing on the wall that they are now stuck in the Big12 if they wish to keep it's LHN. I don't see UT being so short sighted that they wouldn't at least examine the data of expansion. Who knows? It's fun to follow and the dominoes will fall fast.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

Team Rank Media Market

TCU 5 Dallas-Ft. Worth, TX

KU & KSU 33 Kansas City, MO

UT 39 Austin, TX

OU & OSU 43 Oklahoma City, OK

ISU 72 Des Moines – Ames, IA

BU 87 Waco-Temple-Bryan, TX

Notable proximity markets

UT 32 San Antonio, TX

OU & OSU 60 Tulsa, OK

Note: TTU and WVA do not bring a top 100 Media Market

Team Rank Media Market

U of H 10 Houston, TX

USF 11 Tampa-St. Petersburg (Sarasota), FL

CSU 17 Denver, Co

UCF 19 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne, FL

BYU 34 Salt Lake City, UT

U of Cinti 36 Cincinnati, OH

U of Mem 50 Memphis, TN

Notable proximity markets

U of Cinti 64 Dayton, OH

Based upon media reach that will materially assist negotiations for a Big 12 Network formations the Big 12 Conference should expand to 14 teams with expansion bids going to:

  1. University of Houston (UofH)

    a. Fastest growing USA market

  2. University of Central Florida (UCF)

    a. One of the fastest growing USA markets

  3. University of South Florida (USF)

    a. One of the fastest growing USA markets

  4. Colorado State University, Brigham Young University (BYU) or University of Cincinnati (UofC)

    a. U of Cinti combines two top 100 media markets, Cinti (36) and Dayton (64). The combined markets are equivalent to a mid 20 media ranking.

By taking UofH, UCF, CSU and USF the league would be expanding into 4 top 20 media markets which happen to be the the fastest growing markets in the USA. A bolder move would be to expand to a 16 team league!

Brett McCabe 5 years, 11 months ago

We already have the Houston market - we don't need the school to get the tv sets.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

We do not have the Houston market at all. It is mostly SEC now with TAMU and slipping more everyday.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

But Suzi! There are already Texas schools in the Big12! Doesn't that automatically mean that every one of the 28 million people spread over all 268,581 square miles ( lots more than KS, IA, OK and WV combined in both cases) are all watching the Big12 all the time.....

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

It's all about positioning to negotiate a Big 12 Network deal. The Big 12 absolutely does not have Houston, which is the 5th largest metro area and 10 largest media market. UH will land in a Power 5 conference because they have so much money, talent pool, location and local support to be left out. No other school in the discussion brings nearly as much as UH does to the conference.

Having said all that, I'm for adding only two teams and taking a wait-and-see position, while hedging with the B1G. If the Big 12 can not negotiate a competitive network deal and a B1G opportunity opens up, we'd be fools not to take it. No way in hell will UT or OU ever be associated with a second tier conference, although the UT LHN is a mitigating factor for them.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

I lived in TX. I absolutely agree with you 100%. Houston is an Aggie town. DFW is a mix, as heavily OU as any other school.

That said, I'm not sure I see UH as a power 5 school. I'd take UConn and someone else. BYU..

I'm also not wrapped up in doing everything for football sake. I just don't see football enduring.

Scott Rein 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't agree that Houston is an Aggie town, at least not totally. I live now and have since 99 in the Houston area and I know a LOT of people who aren't Aggie's. I will say that I think that the A&M fan base is the largest in town but there are a LOT of other fan bases represented here.

The UT fan base while a little smaller than that of A&M is probably still larger then the combined KU/KSU fan base in KC. Look at it this way kc metro has around 2.1M people but Houston has around 6.5M, that is three times the number of people in KC. Even if you only had 25% of the population in Houston as UT fans (not to mention if you include the small Baylor and TCU fan base here) you would have to have almost 80% of the fans in KC be either KU or KSU fans to have the same number of fans.

In the Houston metro area I think you will find the fan bases by size in the following order: 1) A&M 2) UT 3) UH 4) LSU

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

Oh! I'm sorry! I didn't realize that Houston wasn't UNANIMOUSLY an Aggie town. And here I actually thought that every man, woman and child in all the metro Houston area was a diehard Aggie, not just the largest %, as you stated...... I suppose I thought other school's alums were banned from living and working in Houston. Or maybe I thought that alums of other schools were obligated to go to re-education camps before living in Houston...

Are you and Brett related?

Bobby Oviemena Birhiray 5 years, 11 months ago

Suzi, smh.... Houston is a pro city due to the diversity of colleges. Base on the Alumni chapters 1a. UT 1b. LSU 2. A&M, then it's everybody else. LSU largest Alumni chapter or group is Houston 2nd is Alanta. Next, Houston by itself is 10, but Houston area TV Market is higher than 10. So yes, the SEC does have Houston, but not because of A&M alone. University of Houston could turn the tide. University of Houston is a SLEEPING GIANT in All Sports.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

Super data on the UT, LSU and UH alumni clubs in the Houston area. UT has long been opposed to UH entering the Big 12 because they are that sleeping giant. It boggles my imagination why the Big 12 would be super charged up over the opportunity to take the nation's 5th largest population center, which is growing 13% annually..and 10 largest media market. It's out there for the taking, plain to see by a blind man.

As for the other options, personally I'd love to see the league go to 14 teams adding NIU, CSU and Cinti...along with UH. We used to live in Chicago and the KU Alums up their are rapid. My guess is outside Kansas...Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Houston are the largest KU Alumni bases.

Brian Skelly 5 years, 11 months ago

Regardless of whom we go after (or whom comes after us), this all only happens if UT and OU go along with it.

Personally I'd prefer to go east, as this would help the TV ratings (ratings traditionally get worse the farther west you go), since that is something im sure they are looking at.

My guess is too, the combinations matter depending on the number of expansion candidates... 2, 4, 6. Dont forget, if they only add 2 schools, the current media rights agreement (Tier 1 and 2) stay the same per school. If its more than that, negotiations open back up. That might make sense. It might not.

Grab your popcorn.

Doug Wallace 5 years, 11 months ago

Bob Bowlsby is a liar and a Douche!

KU Jayhawks, Heck even fellow Big 12 teams OU Sooners,OSU Cowboys, KSU Wildcats, and Texas Tech Red Raiders as Horace Greeley would say Lets Go West Young Man! I have had it with this LOSER Big 12 conference.

PLEASE PAC-12 take us 5 teams away from this piece of crap conference PLEASE!Also let Iowas State go to the B1G Along with UConn!

Especially thinking of losers like Memphis or Cincy or C Florida joining gag me! We have to resort to those losers! Teams like they are talking about are no upgrade form Colorado,Nebraska, Texas A & M or even Misery!

Dream conference

Pac North- Cal,Colorado,Kansas,Kansas State, Oregon, Oregon State,Stanford,Utah Washington Washington State

Pac South- Arizona,Arizona State,Hawaii,Oklahoma,Oklahoma State,Rice,Texas Tech,USC,UCLA UTEP.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

The objective is to UPGRADE from NU, CU, ATM and mu? That's going to

The B1G wants Iowa State? No. The PAC wants K State? No. And UTEP? LOL.Rice? Wow...Hawaii? SMH...

Mike Barnhart 5 years, 11 months ago

If they can't poach two existing power conference teams, they shouldn't do anything. Who am I kidding, they'll take anyone they can get which makes Temple the most logical option:

2nd largest enrollment in Philadelphia - 41,000

Excellent national brand

great geographical fit for W Virginia

currently mid-major

large football stadium

basketball - won the league

football - won it's division


Why is Temple never mentioned???

Brett McCabe 5 years, 11 months ago

I think that Nova, Temple, UCONN would all be great candidates. Schools with a bit more tradition might fit a little better.

It's going to be interesting to see if the conference goes new school (UCF, USF) or old school.

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 11 months ago

I would be fine with all three but Nova is D2.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

Temple is an interesting thought. There are a lot of mid majors with interesting positive attributes.

Brian Skelly 5 years, 11 months ago

It's funny you mention Temple. While its clearly not on a lot of folks radar, there's a lot of logic to looking into it. IF the key of alot of this expansion is getting eyeballs on TV's or Streaming devices (which would appear to be the driving force behind it) then Temple makes as much sense as almost any other option. Why would Temple be any less desirable than Cincinnati?

Michael Maris 5 years, 11 months ago

Everyone seems to be interested in adding all of aforementioned schools. However, the PAC and U. of Houston have already met back in June. I believe this to be a chess match power move by the PAC Commissioner to tell Texas, "We're going to move forward with or without you and Oklahoma". Everyone keeps wanting yo add BYU. But, BYU made the decision to go back to being an Independent in order to eliminate roadblocks from a PAC invitation. BYU in the PAC makes a lot more sense than in the Big XII.

I'll say it again, attack where you've been attacked by. Northern Illinois is in the 3rd largest TV Market. And, NIU Alumni base is ripe for the picking. NIU would make a great addition and give Iowa State a true conference rival like they've never really had. And, NIU Basketball program would automatically improve. Kids from Chicago would truly consider NIU, if NIU is in the conference with Kansas. B1G isn't going to add NIU. But, Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin and Minnesota recruiting would sure take a hit if NIU were to all of the sudden get an invitation to the Big XII.

But, all of these cards all lay in the haands of the Ole nemesis. What's Texas going to do here in the next few months. Because we all know, contracts are always able to be negated, if the power broker decides to break the contract. And, ESPN already has the Big XII deal breaker for the entire conference (with the LHN). In the end, Texas could really care less.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

IF the Big 12 wants to focus on exposure to the largest Media Markets then you are correct about NIU. Chicago is the second largest Media Market. Mike Barnhart makes a similarily good point about Temple, which brings the nation's 4th largest Media Market, Philly.

Adding NIU, Temple, Houston and CSU would bring the 2nd, 4th, 10th and 17h largest Media Markets into the conference.

Michael Maris 5 years, 11 months ago

I'd be fine with adding Colorado State and NIU. Geographically, those 2 schools fit the Big XII Media Footprint.

In my opinion (and I re-state opinion), adding Temple makes about as much sense as adding West Virginia.

Louisville was a lot closer to the Big XII footprint. And, Louisville had better TV Market than WVU.

Yet, David Boren was trumped by whom (to add WVU instead)? I've never been able to understand the thought process on that conference addition move.

And, I continually see Houston being spoken against (by other posting individuals on this site, because the Big XII already has to many schools from the State of Texas).

Well, U. of Houston AD met with Larry Scott (the PAC12 Commissioner) to discuss the possibility of joining the PAC.

That's a power move by Larry Scott (once again, in my opinion) to force the issue with U. of Texas (and OU) to join the PAC12.

So, I say add NIU - B1G, Cincinnati - B1G, Colorado State - PAC and Memphis - SEC.

That's attacking the B1G, SEC and PAC conference footprints (to revenge aTm, Missouri - SEC, Colorado - PAC and Nebraska - B1G losses).

But, it's all for NOT, if Texas decides to just cut up the Granting of Rights Agreement (Contract) and take their game (along with OU Sooner's) to the PAC. Then, who is going to replace Texas & OU? Houston and ?????

As you all know, opinions are like rear-ends. Everyone's got one.

Bill Pitcher 5 years, 11 months ago

If we really want to face facts and look forward to the future, it's time to split the Big 12 schools among the other four power conferences (plus Notre Dame) such that the surviving four have sixteen schools each. Let's cut to the chase and get onto the Big Ten. The Big 12 lost the arms race.

Brett McCabe 5 years, 11 months ago

I've thought this in the past, too. Maybe just skip the middle steps and get on with it.

An interesting question is this: since most of what would be considered "big-time" schools have already left the station, will the Big 12 be able to take +2 or +4 schools and elevate them? Or will the addition of schools weaken the conference, with UT and OU both eventually bailing?

For KU, we need a legit football program within 3 or 4 years either way. It's imperative that we move past a hobbled Baylor, a retiring Snyder and a stumbling Holgerson to scratch our way near the top-half of the conference.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

My thoughts have evolved along similar lines. This is why I think the Big 12 will only take two teams, which would allow for a wait-and-see period until the current agreement expires in ...2022?

When you look at the 'flagship' institutions in the other Power 5 Conferences vs the Big 12 it's alarming. None of the options add prestige or flagship institutions. I'm thinking UT, OU, KU and WVa would be better off in one of the other Power 5 conferences. OU and KU would seem to be great additions to the B1G. Although Notre Dame has long been considered a B1G natural...sooner rather than later ND Football will need to find a conference home. UT to the PAC 12. Not sure, don't care much, where WVa would go.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

I must have missed where those invites were sent out.......

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 11 months ago

I don't think we're on their short list. If it's gonna be 4 x 16 I think the Pac 16 is more likely. And if it's gonna be 4 x 16, what's taking so long?

Beate Williams 5 years, 11 months ago

Didn't the article indicate it was a unanimous vote to move forward?

Robert Brock 5 years, 11 months ago

KU needs to get out of this pileup. ACC or B1G. And right quick!

Chris Berge 5 years, 11 months ago

I am ready for a Tait Percentage Wheel on expansion!

Scott Rein 5 years, 11 months ago

Every time the talk about realignment comes up I get really nervous about what will happen to KU because we don't look that good on paper.

Let me be clear here I'm a huge KU fan and I grew up in Topeka, lived in KC and will always pull for my Jayhawks. Back in 99 I moved to the Houston area and have lived here ever since. I have been to both UT and A&M for football and basketball games so I have a little different experience than some on this board. KU basketball is second to none anywhere I have been but the problem with expansion/realignment talk is it has little to nothing to do with basketball and everything to do with football which isn't good for KU. When it comes to realignment if the Big XII folds we may be in big trouble.

Let's be honest we currently have the worst football program in the Big XII. play in the worst stadium in the league and I would guess our attendance is last of next to last. I love the setting for KU football with the hill and it looks a lot nicer than what others have but when you watch a game and see all the empty seats it just doesn't have the big time football feel. Add to that the fact that we haven't had a competitive football team since 2008 going 4-57 in the conference since then.

Realignment has everything to do with the football programs and even more to do with the number of TV sets your school can bring and KU has a problem there as well. If you look at the metro areas within Big XII country you start to see how bad the problem.


4) DFW (7.1 million) 5) Houston (6.6 million) 25) San Antonio (2.4 million) 30) Kansas City (2.1 million) 33) Austin (2.0 million) 41) OKC (1.4 million)

While KC is 4th on the list and 30th overall an argument can be made that MU or KSU would also bring the KC market with or without KU. I do think KU has the largest fan base in KC but when you share the 30th market you don't look that great. Clearly KU is hurt by the size of the population in KS and it's pretty bad. Think of it this way both DFW and Houston have more than double the number of people than the entire state of Kansas.

I do think KU has a couple things to offer in realignment including an elite basketball program and nationally recognized brand. We MUST get our football program going in the right direction and hope that the big realignment doesn't happen until we do because we can't do anything about the number of TV sets. KU has made a couple of HUGE mistakes in the selection of football coaches since the Mangino departure and we better hope that coach Beaty was the right guy for the job because we have a LOT riding on it.

Brian Skelly 5 years, 11 months ago

As stated before, this only happens if OU at UT decide it happens. And they'll also decide HOW it happens.

My fear is by adding cannon fodder simply for TV slots, you'll weaken the (supposed) power of Big 12 football to that of the ACC's. It'd also weaken the RPI and multiple ratings systems in basketball (home and home against each team). Maybe these arent a big deal to those in power. Maybe just getting more $$$ coming in via more football games on Saturdays is really all that matters. It just strikes me if we add a bunch of AAC / CUSA teams we'll be come just that.

Do you REALLY think OU and UT want that? I dont. If anything, it gives them an excuse to leave. KU better lift its skirt for the Big 10 or Pac - 12. Then.

About the only 'scenario' I'd find remotely appealing, and that would likely keep the conference together, is adding BYU an Boise St. For football only. They both do that to some degree now. The conference wouldnt likely need to pay a full share to each team either. Both BYU (espn) and Boise St. (CBS) already have decent Tier 3 deals as well. Im sure they'd change, but structurally they might not change much.

Again. I think adding AAC/CUSA types will ultimately make the Big 12 the 5th of the "P5" and increase the odds of UT and OU going to greener pastures.

Aaron Paisley 5 years, 11 months ago

Big 12 coaches were at ESPN today and were anonymously asked who their top 2 schools they would add to the Big 12 were. BYU and Houston each got 5 votes, Cincy and Memphis each got 4, and CSU and UCF got 1 vote each.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

Thanks for adding some wit and sarcasm to a tense topic.

Doug Roberts 5 years, 11 months ago

No city schools, and no more Texas schools, please.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

No "city" schools? No Miami? No Pitt? No Louisville? No Syracuse? No Boston College?

Michael Lorraine 5 years, 11 months ago

It's generally assumed that UT is holding the cards but what would happen if any of the other 9 schools were to leave. Would that start the implosion?

Jason Musick 5 years, 11 months ago

I would like to see Colorado State and Northern Iowa join.

Randy Bombardier 5 years, 11 months ago

I like Colorado State and Houston for proximity. If we expand by four I would like us to look at BYU and either Cincinnati or Memphis. The Florida schools look good on paper but not strong on football but market could be good. Recruiting influence also. Lots to consider.

Chris Blake 5 years, 11 months ago

Haskell, Nazereth, Creighton and Colorado school of mines....we need the football wins!!!!

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 11 months ago

Maybe this is more about the survival of the Big12 conference as an entity. Meaning, will the Big12 Conference absorb the American (AAC), or will the AAC absorb the Big12. I think that's really what's at stake here. The Big12 wants to raid the AAC. Will TT, KSU, TCU, etc. (maybe even KU) have their conference headquarters in Irving, Texas or Providence, Rhode Island? The ESPN ACC network deal is huge because the Big12 was hoping to add schools that would not dilute per school revenue. FSU, Clemson, GT, etc. I see the ACC network deal as the nail in the coffin for the Big12. OU probably leaves. UT, KU, and all, start looking to jump ship. There's going to be a merger between the Big12 leftovers and the AAC. That will still be a good conference, but who will control it? Bowlsby and top officials may already know that OU and/or UT will be leaving, and they're making the expansion move to give the Big12 leftovers the best outcome. Just a theory.

Jay Scott 5 years, 11 months ago

The AAC will absorb the Big12? Wow. Amazing humor.

Bryan Mohr 5 years, 11 months ago

If OU and UT leave, it's not so humorous. The remaining schools' revenue would be in the tank, and they would need to either join the PAC, ACC, B1G, SEC, or find a way to form, or join, a conference network... or live with a severe financial disadvantage. Outside of the PAC, ACC, B1G, and SEC, the only other conference that has large enough media markets is the AAC (it has bigger markets than the Big12 now, but not the tradition or history of success): Philadelphia (Temple) #4, Dallas (SMU) #5, (Big12 has now) Houston #10, (Big12 partially) Tampa (USF) #11, Orlando (UCF) #19, Baltimore (Navy) #26, Hartford (UConn) #30, Cincinnati #36, Greenville, NC (ECU) #37, Memphis #50, New Orleans (Tulane) #51, Tulsa #60 (Big12 has now)

The Big12 leftovers would need the AAC schools more than the AAC schools would need the Big12 leftovers when talking about a conference network based on media markets.

Suzi Marshall 5 years, 11 months ago

For all those following the Big 12 Expansion news, I'm sure everyone is hearing the same things, specially there is massive confusion with any number of possibilities. Interesting that KU seems to be in the center of the talk. Will Kansas bolt to the B1G if more than two teams are recommended to join the Big12. Kansas, like the rest of the Bi12 are contractually committed to the Big12 though about 2022 (?). The really funny thing is nobody seems to want UT if they hold on to the LHN. UT could find themselves left in the Big 12, sans OU and KU!

Because of all the potential chaos, the Big 12 will only add two teams. There will be a "wait-and-see" for the next few years. I hope Bill Self never leaves KU because it would be great to see him lead KU Basketball into the B1G or the expanded 16 team Big 12.

Humpy Helsel 5 years, 11 months ago

I'm glad Boren is leading this thing. Progressive, while very measured. His presence/gravitas alone tempers Texas somewhat. Sounds like a prudent step to be taking. Their heads are not in the sand and they are trying to avoid getting blindsided as previously occured. Like it or not, and as long it is the Big 12 (10) as we currently know it exists, OU and Texas are going to have a lot to say about what happens. KU faithful don't like to hear that, but it just the way it is because of football.

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