Tuesday, January 26, 2016

Minutes crunch: Bill Self again relies on veterans

Kansas forward Jamari Traylor (31) elevates for a jump shot against Iowa State forward Jameel McKay (1) during the first half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2016 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.

Kansas forward Jamari Traylor (31) elevates for a jump shot against Iowa State forward Jameel McKay (1) during the first half, Monday, Jan. 25, 2016 at Hilton Coliseum in Ames, Iowa.


— Kansas basketball coach Bill Self, who has shortened his rotation the last two games, had eight Jayhawks play six or more minutes in Monday’s 85-72 loss at Iowa State.

Perry Ellis led the starters with 36 minutes, followed by Devonté Graham (35), Frank Mason III (32), Wayne Selden, Jr. (30) and Landen Lucas (21).

Off the bench, Brannen Greene played 24 minutes, Jamari Traylor 10, Carlton Bragg, Jr., 6, Cheick Diallo 4, while Lagerald Vick and Svi Mykhailiuk entered for the final minute.

Self was asked if he felt maybe his guys ran out of gas in a second half in which ISU rolled, 49-29, in its victory.

“Well, they may have gotten tired. When the game is going tough like that, it’s hard to put those guys in who have never been in that situation when the game is on the line,” Self said.

Watch list: KU junior guard Selden has been named to the midseason watch list for the Oscar Robertson Trophy, which recognizes the men’s national player of the year, the United States Basketball Writers Association announced Monday.

Selden, 6-5 from Roxbury, Mass., is one of 20 named to the watch list.

Others from the Big 12 on the list: Monté Morris and Georges Niang, of Iowa State, and Buddy Hield, of Oklahoma.

The Oscar Robertson Trophy will be presented at the College Basketball Awards gala on April 11 in Oklahoma City. The USBWA, made up of nearly 1,000 sports journalists covering college basketball for newspapers, magazines and websites, will select the recipient of the award.

— See what people were saying about the KU-ISU game at Hilton Coliseum during’s live coverage.

More news and notes from Kansas at Iowa State

By the Numbers: Iowa State 85, Kansas 72

By the Numbers: Iowa State 85, Kansas 72


Scott Smetana 6 years, 10 months ago

Michelson>Lucas>Traylor. Having a scoring threat at the 5 would take tons of pressure off of our guards.

Robert Brock 6 years, 10 months ago

No one fits that description on the KU squad.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 10 months ago

Minutes Crunch: 15:57 to 12:03 and 9:46 to 7:47 is all you have to look at. The team was -5 and -9 during those two stretches. Take a look at the rotation on the floor and who made that decision and you will find your answer.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 10 months ago

“Well, they may have gotten tired. When the game is going tough like that, it’s hard to put those guys in who have never been in that situation when the game is on the line,” Self said.=== Next game and the next one and the next one and the next one and so on and so on... relies on veterans. The cycle continues. It repeats. It will never change. What do we get out of all this? Tired veterans and more losses. I'm fine if we keep playing the veterans like some other teams, but when the game gets tougher - don't use fatigue as factor. That's what distinguishes vet from frosh - loyalty, experience, toughness, liability. After all, coach is the one that always thinks vets can win him games, right? This is getting old.

Mike Tackett 6 years, 10 months ago

You are making the assumption we are getting a lot out of the vets. If I'm going to lose, I will lose with the young guys. Better start playing for next year. You can free up spring break,we'll be done by the first weekend of MM.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 10 months ago

Looking for evidence that national awards are about as bogus as the Major League All Star roster? There is a guy on our team who should probably be on the list, but I think that the list maker may have made a mistake with the name.

Barry Weiss 6 years, 10 months ago

It's becoming obvious that just playing our veterans is not getting it done. Isn't that why we went after Diallo and Bragg, to help out in the middle? And then to never play them is baffling to me. I can't see either one scoring less points if given the same minutes as Lucas or Mickelson. Diallo is more of a 5 and needs to be out there. He can do everything Lucas does even with the little experience he has. Free Diallo!

Kelly Pierce 6 years, 10 months ago

Give me Frank, Svi, Ellis, Bragg, and Diallo and I would beat Self's Frank, Devonte, Seldon, Ellis, Lucas line-up a majority of the time. I truly believe that if Svi had had Devonte's minutes the past year and half he would be a star. He is a player who in my mind Self has destroyed. Confidence plays a major part in all athletics, and Coach Self has taken that away from him.

Dale Koch 6 years, 10 months ago

None of us are at practice every day. Surely if those non starters were making improvement they would get more playing time. Diallo has proven he simply doesn't get how to run plays while in an actual game and his defense isn't good either. Practice is where they need to excel and prove they are game ready. Obviously they aren't doing that.

Tevin Brown 6 years, 10 months ago

U gotta play carlton more. him and diallo might not have the best post moves but they will get points off of offense of rebounds yeah they might mess up yeah they might make mistakes but has anybody seen frank mason? He turns it over shoots dumb shots and thinks his lebron when he drives and still doesnt get bench u gotta do something different bill

The problem is our guards try to play one on one and forget perry ..perry is our bread and butter that man can get it done i have no problem with him attempting 28 shots a game now i do have a problem with frank having 14 attempts a game im just saying we have greene svi cartlon wayne and perry to score we just need him to play defense and get the ball down the court and attack we its needed move the ball around

Now our defense is straight trash so idk what to tell u on that all u gotta do is play carlton tell frank hey chill bro on the three's if the lane is open yeah take it just dont do it everytime your only 5'9 and SOMEBODY TELL WAYNE DRIVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE AND SHOW UP IN SECOND HALF KID WHERE ARE YOU? Lucas already isnt scoring so with wayne not scoring it leaves us with just 3 players who just scoring! PLAY THE BENCH! I love bill i love ku but we gotta change some stuff!

Joe Baker 6 years, 10 months ago

If Bill Self loses, he will lose his way. He's not going to deviate with what works in his mind. He is just not a coach that is going to change his coaching philosophy, B12 title be damned. He will lose the remaining games and not change. He's said it over and over. We won't change much...we won't change much...oh and We won't change our play much or we won't change what we've been doing...You think they play horrible now, let Bill Self start playing with the offense and change defensive sets. This team will be utterly lost.

What part of 'I WON'T CHANGE" do you not understand? Bill Self will not change a single part of his game plan or coaching. Get over it and get used to it.

Allin Herring 6 years, 10 months ago

Hey all you AP sports writers around the country! I just want you to know that you have become a victim of the biggest fraud conducted in the history of the national basketball rankings! To be faked into ranking this years version of KU basketball in the top 20 let alone the top 5 five is Fraud! The leader of this group (can not really call them a team) of outlaws is Bill Self and his three main thieves are guys by the name of Mason, Graham and Seldon, To rank the worst KU basketball team since the Ted Owens years in the Top 20 is either Fraud or complete incompetence on the writers part. You writers can redeem yourselves by writing an article on the dethroning of the current and past 10 year king of Big 12 Basketball the Kansas Jayhawks because this team has no heart,, energy, leadership (including Coach Self), lacks defensive and rebounding skills, seems to lack the ability to manage its bench and player rotations and has beaten only 2 top 25 teams this year with one coming in 3 OT's after blowing a 11 pt lead in regulation. They have accumulated their wins from beating up all the cup cakes on their schedule with the exception of Oklahoma State which by they lost by double digits. The one good thing that the rankings have in you the writers favor is that you can always get it correct in the next week rankings! So lets wake up and not get faked out again for the 3rd week in a row! And by doing this it might just help this "quote team" to stop reading their sports clippings and focus on such mundane things like playing defense and then maybe just maybe winning a game or two against good competition.!

Jay Scott 6 years, 10 months ago

There's also the chance that they know something about basketball, unlike you Red.

Allin Herring 6 years, 10 months ago

Jay what a Mary Poppins reply. This team has no business being ranked number 5 and you know it but just do not want to admit it. What possibly could lead you to believe they are number 5?

Jay Scott 6 years, 10 months ago

The opinions of all the coaches and media are wrong, but you're right? How cute.

Allin Herring 6 years, 10 months ago

Jay I guess we will see next Monday now won't we Mr Poppins? I am sure they will drop next week and probably out of the top 10 but I am sure you think because the players had their little hold their hands and hug they will stay in the top 10

Yolanda Gay 6 years, 10 months ago

Live by the sword and die by the sword.

1) We cannot play man-to-man. Our guards are not quick enough. Perry's defense isn't anything to sneeze at either. Use zone more.

2) Our 'veterans' are not the answer. But Self is going to stick with them. You can't continue to play 5 on 4 to be effective. Bragg needs to play.

3) Our veterans continue to make mistakes; but are allowed to stay on the floor. Anyone else making a mistake is yanked faster than their head can turn. You can't have it both ways.

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 10 months ago

Seriously? You don't have better things to do than reading all the posts here, Scott? Those socks look ugly BTW.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 10 months ago

I expected a veteran team to be more road savvy than this. Either this is the best the Big 12 has ever been or we are just not as good as we think we are.

Chad Redeker 6 years, 10 months ago

I watch many college basketball games throughout the year and I am amazed at the quality of play of other teams guards compared to KU"s. Selden can't handle the ball well enough to be someone who can get to the bucket. Terrible defense by both Frank and Devonte. I would try to recruit a true point guard. I guy that shows up with the mentality that I am going run the offense and distribute the ball. Recruit someone who is hungry and determined to play some defense. Recruit a guy that has a mid range game (someone who can pull up and hit a 10 foot jumper). KU's guards can't feed the post at all. They don't comprehend angles. Amazing they play at KU and can't figure this out. In the past KU has had a post we could throw the ball to and get a bucket. Who outside of Ellis can come close to doing that. Finally, our offense reminds me of AAU quality. Stand around and go one on one. Movement is the key and we aren't smart enough to come up with a offense that features movement. Many average players play above their God given abilities when you move. Pathetic offensive scheme.

Doug Clark 6 years, 10 months ago

I don't get coach's logic, he says they might have been tired but you can't put guys in there that haven't been in that position before. Then why not play them earlier and save some of the starters energy when Iowa State played terrible defense the first half and pretty much anyone who drove to the basket scored. Bragg drove and missed a layup but he also scored on a outback. We had a little bit of a cushion and the young guys could've played a few minutes and gave the starters breather, we weren't in jeopardy of losing the game in the first half. I keep listening for some wisdom or hope from coach after these games and all I hear is excuses, the main excuse is that we had good rhythm so he didn't want to sub and late in the game he didn't sub even though they were tired because the young guys haven't been in that type of situation, so basically he has come up with an excuse either way to try and explain why he didn't use his bench.OU or Iowa St aren't deep teams so why not use our depth to try and wear them out? Seems pretty simple to me. I would take a fresh Bragg, Diallo, and Svi in stretches during the game even if they make a couple mistakes over an exhausted group of starters who get lazy on defense and sloppy on offense late in games. If we try to compete and match OU and isu with our starters verses theirs for the entire game we will lose every time because our starters aren't as talented, our only advantage is numbers and using those numbers to wear them down, but if we don't use our numbers then nothing will change and we'll be lucky to win at TCU on the road and probably lose all our other road games, even at a mediocre k- state team who just happened to beat pretty comfortably an OSU team who whipped our ass.

Dale Koch 6 years, 10 months ago

They better have binoculars to watch Seldon, he seems to disappear in most games lately.

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