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Thursday, January 14, 2016

Inside job: Self: Get the ball inside to Perry Ellis

Kansas forward Perry Ellis (34) delivers a dunk during the second half, Friday, Nov. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

Kansas forward Perry Ellis (34) delivers a dunk during the second half, Friday, Nov. 13, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse.

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Perry Ellis sank eight of Kansas University’s 20 baskets while scoring 21 of the Jayhawks’ 63 points in Tuesday’s 74-63 road loss to West Virginia.

All that production came off 14 shots, which in coach Bill Self’s eyes were not nearly enough.

“He should have gotten off 20-plus in that particular game, but we weren’t able to get the ball to him,” Self said after the game.

On Thursday, Self fielded additional questions about failing to feed the 6-foot-8, 225-pound senior forward from Wichita, who leads KU in scoring at 16.3 points a game off 50.3 percent shooting.

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“When we go on our little 9-0 runs, Perry is the main reason offensively. So I don’t understand why we go away from that. Even if it’s makeshift, even if it’s not very artistic, you just get the ball to him and make him go make a play,” Self said.

“That’s what West Virginia did. They just kind of moved the ball around a little bit and then just said, ‘OK, play take ‘em.’ We could have done that with Perry some, also. It wasn’t like we didn’t throw it to him, but we probably could have done a better job of trying to throw it to him more,” Self added.

“Even though he scored a lot of points, I think we could have gotten him the ball more,” junior guard Frank Mason III said Thursday. “He could have gotten more angles. I think they (Mountaineers) sped us up. We lost focus. Guys were moving too fast. We didn’t give him the ball as much when he was hot.”

Self has been satisfied with the interior work of Ellis this season.

“I really feel like since Big 12 started he’s graded out very well,” Self said. “I think even against Oklahoma, he got up 28 shots (making 11, scoring 27 points), and although he didn’t make an unbelievable percentage for him, because he’s a 55-60 percent shooter, he was aggressive enough to get up 28 and our best offense was having him attack the basket, and I thought that was the same way the other night, Self added.

New draft rule: The NCAA has pushed back the date with which players must remove their name from the NBA Draft (if they want to return to school) to 10 days after the final day of the NBA Combine, which this year falls May 15.

Players can participate in the Combine and one NBA team tryout per year and still return to school if they are unsatisfied with their projected draft position, supplied to them by the league.

In the past, the NCAA required players to make their decision by the April 16 start of the spring signing period in order to maintain college eligibility. College players now may enter the draft multiple times without penalty.

“If you are not invited to the Combine, then obviously you’re not on anyone’s radar regardless of what agents are telling you or what other people are telling you,” Self said. “If you are invited, what this allows us to do is have time to train them (on campus) so they don’t feel like they have to leave campus to go get trained.

“A young man would not jeopardize his collegiate eligibility if things don’t work out for him,” Self added. “So now the way it has read in the past, you’ve got to make a decision by a certain time, and then if you don’t take your name out by a certain time, you’re automatically in, but no NBA teams have had a chance to talk to you. It’s only the information that we have gathered for them. Now it’s a situation if they’re invited to the Combine, they’re going to get within one week exactly where they grade out at the Combine, and if 30 NBA teams are saying, ‘Hey, at best you’re a late second-round draft pick and probably not draftable,’ then that would still give a young man a chance to come back to school.”

Coaches will have to wait until late May to know what some players will do. NBA execs have said they expect most college players to declare for the draft without hiring representation, continue to train on campus and see if they are invited to the Combine.

“It could put the schools in jeopardy of not knowing what your roster will be next year: ‘Well, we think he’ll come back and then he ends up leaving late and there’s nobody left to sign,’” Self said. “So from a school standpoint you could make a case that it kind of puts you more in jeopardy for next year’s roster, but if you’re looking at it for the best interest of the kids, at least now they can rely on information from the NBA as opposed to third parties giving them information, and that was the goal of the rule.”

Big man deciding: Udoka Azubuike, a 6-11, 260-pound senior center from Potter’s House Christian Academy in Jacksonville, Florida, will announce his college choice on Sunday, according to ESPN’s Jeff Borzello. Azubuike, who is ranked No. 27 in the Class of 2016 by Rivals.com, has a final list of KU, Florida State and North Carolina. In the past, he’s also considered Duke, N.C. State, Wake Forest, Cal, Auburn and Florida.

“He just wanted to enjoy his senior season and take the pressure off,” Azubuike’s mentor, Harry Coxsome told Borzello.

Azubuike is originally from Nigeria and been in the U.S. for three years. He’s a dominant low-post player. FSU is considered the leader.

Comments

Chris Shaw 6 years, 7 months ago

You know what's interesting about Perry Ellis? He's played with someone different every season alongside him. Everyone (general statement but that's the perception) wants to say Ellis has had a good but not great career and he reached his ceiling by his sophomore year.

One could argue that the most stability and consistency Ellis has seen at the post position was his frosh year playing behind Kevin Young and playing alongside Jeff Withey. Ellis sophomore year he and Embiid started coming into their own but a an injury to Embiid forced the inconsistency thereafter playing alongside Tariq Black. Ellis' junior IMO had to be the most most frustrating because Cliff Alexander was raw and then had the suspension and then you had last year's version of Jamari Traylor and Landen Lucas. Finally, you have this year with Self still rotating 5 Big's in to play alongside Ellis.

Think about that for a second. Overall, Perry Ellis has played with or alongside 10 different big men in his 4 year career? Perry Ellis has never had the consistency or stability to be "Great" at Kansas IMO. Sure, Perry Ellis has limitations but it would also be nice for him to at least have a stable frontcourt mate. Not only has Ellis never had that, "timing" has not be on his side with suspensions, injuries, and just his timing on his arrival @Kansas. Those are unfortunate variables you can't control.

With that said, could you imagine a senior Ellis playing alongside a junior or senior Jeff Withey? Ellis' efficiency would sky rocket. I mean, Trob single handily became the #5 pick in the draft because Jeff Withey could take all that pressure off him as a defensive force. Jeff Withey Indirectly just by his presence on the court made Trob better. Embiid was on the track to making Ellis better and then he got hurt. That was unfortunate.

With all that said, my overall point I'm trying to make is that I think Self owes it to Ellis to commit to a rotation and give Ellis the opportunity to get comfortable with a stable frontcourt mate. I don't care who it is but put Lucas and Bragg along side him or Diallo and Mickelson alongside him and go with it. Give Ellis that opportunity to build that repoire and trust with guys.

Darnell Jackson and Arthur built that repoire. Withey and KY as well as Withey and Trob built it. Give Ellis that opportunity to become more efficient. He may not get there but give him the opportunity. We all know Ellis is KU's go to guy so take some pressure off of him by commiting to a rotation for the "Big's".

In a recent article Self was quoted as saying that he didn't do Selden any favors by playing him at the 2 guard spot his first 2 years. Same Concept applies. You're not doing Ellis any favors IMO by consistently throwing 5 different guys out there to play alongside Ellis. KU fans are only gonna have an opportunity to see Ellis play another 18-24 games? Let's make it count for him.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 7 months ago

I take minor exception with your evaluation of Perry. I think he is a great college basketball player and has improved with each season.

Perry went on a stretch near the end of last season when he was nearly unstoppable before injury. It seems to have taken some time for him to get comfortable again, but he has seemingly resumed that tear of exceptional play. Perry is averaging 19 and 9.5 over the last 6 games. Those are All-American numbers.

I think having a solid, dependable big would definitely benefit Perry. Especially if it's a big who can stretch the floor a bit and open the lane for Perry to take his man off the dribble. Personally, I think that big is Hunter Mickelson.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 7 months ago

I also agree Ellis has improved with each season. I think Ellis's efficiency could be vastly improved with better sidekicks and an attempt with some form of stability in the frontcourt. But, he's playing with what's at his disposal and the decisions made by Coach Self. No fault of his own IMO.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 7 months ago

Chris, you make some really good points in your post. I never really considered who Perry had been partnered with, and I can't even imagine the improved effectiveness he would have enjoyed if partnered with someone like Withey. Perry passes very well out of the block, and having a strong performer by his side would have opened up a lot of opportunity.

Your post also highlights another problem: since Danny left, we haven't consistently recruited well to the 5 position.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

Ellis is a 3. He's done pretty well playing out of position his whole career at Kansas.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

What do you base this on? His ability to drive the basket past a perimeter defender? Nope. He can't. His ability to shoot over a defender from the perimeter? Nope, he has a chin high set shot release. His ability to guard a 3? Nope, he'd be a turnstile against any decent perimeter player. Perry has none of the skill set to play the 3.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm basing it on the the fact that's what he should be playing. He's not a 4. If he gets the opportunity to play for an NBA team they won't be singing him to play the 4, he's too small, plays with finesse. He still has like LITERALLY 1 move inside and we all know what that is - back down, drop step little shot-put over his left shoulder. He should have always been playing the 3 to improve on those qualities you mentioned because imo, he does have them. He dribbles the ball better than Selden (who must dribble with him palm sometimes cuz there are times where he looks drunk dribbling down the court) and certainly plays better defense than Greene. I'm sure would rebound the ball better than both of them combined during their careers at that position. Last best 3 guard we had in college was Brandon Rush and I feel like Ellis could have been similar if given the opportunity. It's too bad he couldn't develop a turn around baseline fade-a-way like Marcus Morris use to do, that move is un-guardable. I agree with you his shot is too low but if he were actually playing where he should be maybe it would have already changed. We'll never know.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Paul Pierce, Brandon Rush, Xavier Henry, Andrew Wiggins, JR Giddenss. What do they have in common? All were 3s and Perry wouldn't have had a hope of guarding any of them. Plus they would all shut him down from the outside completely.

That's why every recruiting evaluation listed Ellis as a PF. Nothing has changed.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

I think you're vastly underrating him at the position, opinions are opinions for a reason. Ellis is a "Small" Forward, which usually has the number 3 attached to it. =)

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

Minus Wiggins, Ellis could guard the other 3 by the way.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Zero NBA scouts and NCAA coaches would agree with you. If it were true, he might have played there at some point.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

Again, I'm sure that's your opinion, which is fine. He hasn't got any opportunity to play the position he's most suited to play so it's all theory at this point.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Perry-Ellis-6288/

Ellis won't survive at the 4 in the NBA. He's needed to play the 3 at Kansas to continue to grow and do the things we're all saying he can't do. This article is basically saying what I'm trying to say. He's going to get lost in the NBA with his current skill set because, what Bill Self like to say all the time, him being at the 4 spot (which he can get away with in college) is "fools gold". He really hasn't show any growth with updated post moves. He should have been at the 3 all along, getting better at the position he'll play at the next level. Instead he was recruited to play the 4 and there he lies, selling himself short for his and everyone else's dream, the NBA. It's just unfortunate if you ask me.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Justin. I get that you think Perry sucks. Having him play a position that he's never played, lacks the skills to play and nobody thinks he can play isn't a solution.

Your article confirms this. You didn't read it, did you?

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't think he sucks. I did read the article. He doesn't have the frame to play the 4. He has skills to play the 3. Your arguments you make are things he can get better at. You can improve your quickness, you can change your shot around, you can learn how to guard quicker people and hope to keep them infront of you. You cannot however teach height and length. You can bulk up more muscle which he may be able to do but he still won't compete very highly at the 4. The article states he's lost in between the positions and it's true. I just think his tools even though are lacking at the 3, will provide a better chance for him to play at the next level. With that being said it's unfortunate he hasn't had the opportunity to hone them while in college because him being undersized at the 4 doesn't play a role.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

"In order to become a more sought after draft prospect in his last collegiate season, Ellis will need to show that he can fill a role at the NBA level, as there are currently questions about what position he would play. At 6'8” with an average 6'10” wingspan, he is undersized compared to NBA power forwards. At the same time, he doesn't have elite quickness and foot speed for a player of his size to play on the wing. Likely to spend most of his time facing the basket if he does make it in the NBA, Ellis will have to show more improvement as a senior than he did as a junior to convince teams he still has some upside left to tap into.

Much of Ellis' offense came from around the basket, with post-ups logged by Synergy Sports Technology accounting for 20.9% of his offensive possessions. While he has demonstrated the ability to score with his back to the basket against weaker opponents, he's struggled against better competition, and this skill seems unlikely to translate to the next level, at least not from the power forward spot. He isn't a dominant presence on the block and not someone a NBA team will build their offense around in the post. While this will be a nice way for him to score in small spurts, he will need to find more ways to score that have a better chance of success at the next level."

Caught in the middle but only plays the 4, which he clearly can't play in the NBA at even a remotely high level. Which take you to the 3 spot. Where he's uncertain at best. Which takes me back to my point of it's unfortunate he hasn't gotten the opportunity to showcase his skills at the 3 position (or no skills, which you claim he has). I'm trying to take a look at both POV (points of view) while you're sitting here one sided.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 7 months ago

College and NBA roles are two different things. Draymond Greene played the post for MSU and is a wing in the NBA. Perry Ellis may be an NBA 3 (don't see it personally because of his lack of quickness), but he is most definitely a stretch 4 in college.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

Thank you for making my point for me =). He may be able to get away with being a stretch 4 in college but it won't slide at the next level. He's most definitely a 3 guard. I don't see why you two are against this, I know you guys know basketball ;)

Benz Junque 6 years, 7 months ago

Virtually every KU big in recent memory has had an evolving rotation around them every season. Withey had Kevin Young with him in '13, T-Rob in '12 and the Morris twins in '11. Same with T-Rob, the Morris twins and Cole before them. Players come and go every year.

Jared Reeves 6 years, 7 months ago

Chris, I think Perry's performance would improve based on the type of player next to him, not necessarily because of consistency. I agree there is something that can be gain from familiarity. But there is much more to be gained from having another scoring threat opposite you to take pressure and the double team away. In the examples you provided, the player opposite was also a scoring threat.

The problem is, this year our best big guys (other than Perry) are not scoring threats. It would be nice if one our freshmen could develop into one, but they may not be ready, and may not get the playing time, even if they were.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 7 months ago

That's why I used those examples. Consistency and stability was used for both sides of the ball offensively and defensively. With that said, you can't begin to find that stability and consistency or figure out what you have by continuing to rotate 5 "Big's" alongside Ellis. How do you even know what you have?

At this point, I don't care who it is. IMO I agree with you that it should be Mickelson getting minutes with take your pick after that for 8-12 mins a game. I think you could get two guys getting 8-12 minutes with Mickelson and Ellis getting the bulk. 3/4 man big rotation would be nice to get down too but 6 is just crazy at this point in the season IMO.

Kent Richardson 6 years, 7 months ago

Our half court offense is pretty mundane this year. Set a pick and don't roll. Make a mad dash inside and then, well, about anything but consistent success. I said Perry was a 15-20 guy and not a 25-30 point a game guy. Not because he couldn't but because we don't have a real half court offense. That is a result of an unsettled inside game. We are half way into the season so no real expectations we will have a settled game. Bill has to play his one and done dudes to make it all look good for the next crop. I may be possible that Hunter could have had some real good games so far but we will never know.

We are definitely an outside shooting team and better face up to that. Keep feeding Perry inside, to get back into games,until we puke (which I doubt we will do, because we haven't yet) but bombs away otherwise. That's it and no more should be expected. Hasn't changed yet and doubtful it will.

With Perry scoring on the Hield level and bombs from Svi and Brannen as additions we can win the league again.

Harlan Hobbs 6 years, 7 months ago

Good analysis, guys. I too hadn't given any thought to the lack of continuity in the post as it applies to Perry. It probably has been a factor.

The main thing for Perry is that he has gotten better every year, and given his outstanding performance with his outside shooting this year, I would think that his NBA stock has risen considerably. Since he's not really a "banger", especially at the next level, his outside shot is a huge plus.

In the end, KU couldn't have recruited a more loyal, intelligent, and caring person than Perry Ellis. I look forward to following his future successes regardless of whether or not it is on the basketball court. I have a hunch we will be hearing about him for a long, long time.

Justin Ward 6 years, 7 months ago

All true points, exactly why Ellis is a 3.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Ellis has virtually none of the skill set of a 3. A quality 3 would blow by Ellis on offence and stuff his little set shot chin high release jumper.

Benz Junque 6 years, 7 months ago

We RARELY have continuity in the post. I don't remember when we had the same starting bigs two seasons in a row even before Ellis' time.

'13: Withey and Young '12: Withey and T-Rob '11: Morris and Morris '10: Aldrich and Morris '09: Aldrich and Morris '08: Kaun/Jackson and Arthur etc...

Brett McCabe 6 years, 7 months ago

Benz, this may be true but it's hard to argue that Perry hasn't played with a strong post-partner the past two years, and still has put up first-team numbers. Look at the names you list above. Even in his sophomore year, the Black/JoJo combo was a bit of a mess with JoJo learning how to play basketball and Tarik still learning how to stay on the floor.

Chris Shaw 6 years, 7 months ago

Not necessarily about "starting", Benz. Sasha, Darnell, and Arthur were together for 2 years. Aldrich and the twins were together for two seasons. The twins were together for 3 seasons taking up 2 of the big rotations for 3 years. T rob and Withey played some capacity together for 3 years as well (even during withey's redshirt).

Ellis hasn't played a full season with anyone since he backed up KY and Withey his frosh year. That's the point. It's not about who starts. It's about the continuity of the rotation.

Bee Bee 6 years, 7 months ago

It would be nice IF one or more of the KU, "BIGS' could actually score more than four points in a game. For the most part they have been seen on milk cartons up to this point.

Take the damn ball to the RACK!

Bee Bee 6 years, 7 months ago

It would be nice IF one or more of the KU, "BIGS' could actually score more than four points in a game. (Besides Perry) For the most part they have been seen on milk cartons up to this point.

Take the damn ball to the RACK!

Jack Hoff 6 years, 7 months ago

You know I have always held firm that Bill Self is justified in limiting Bragg and Diallo's minutes because they just haven't really shown much to warrant extended playing time. Particulary Diallo, you could maybe argue Bragg should play more. But I am still confused as to what Hunter's role on this team is. He starts but rarely plays the remainder of the game. When he and Perry are in the team is rolling. Look at the WVU game, KU made their 9-0 run with Hunter in the game and in his few minutes he picked up a couple blocks and scored inside. I feel with longer minutes he could really impact a game defensively and be a stable offensive player. Hopefully, Hunter plays more going forward.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Almost all the KU scoring was from outside during that 5 mins. That said, Mickelson still did his job. 2 pts, 2 rebounds and a block. I can't say with 100% certainty how he was defensively. Williams had 2 baskets...

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

I have been a critic of Perry Ellis for the past couple of years bc he always turned the ball over, penetrated against much stronger and taller defenders and just threw the ball up, he never penetrated to pass. But this year, I have been very impressed with Perry's mental fortitude, you rarely see him hang his head like he did in the past. But most of all, he seems to be the only player that actually uses his brain. I think this is one of the dumbest teams in college basketball, bc Self seems to favor "physical" players above anything else. Landen Lucas looks like a big defensive tackle out there. Selden runs around like a running back. Mason is a little pitbull. Jamari is a butting ram. Perry is the one bright spot, along with Hunter Mickelson who seems to be really smart and savy although not extremely physical, which is probably why Self has him on the bench again.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Self must be the best coach in the history of sports to get the team ranked #1 with only one player that's actually using his brain.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

That bait smells really good but I'm not going there. Self is the coach and more power to him, I will try to just support the team all the way to the Final Four and beyond. Another Big 12 title with a loss to Southern Tuscaloosa or whoever won't cut it

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

You expect the team to make the Final Four with only one player using their brain?

You're the poster child for Chicken Little idiocy.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Jay, if you would stop listening to those voices and actually read you will see that nowhere did I say I "expect" KU to make it to the Final Four. There's no KU 2016 National Champions tattoo on any part of my body. Frankly, I'm not impressed with any other team in the country so it's not farfetched to think that KU can make it in spite of their limitations.

And whatever you want to call me is fine, I can assure you that I am not the least bit offended by a person hiding behind a keyboard.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

You're overwhelmed with the basic concepts Jaston. What did you mean by "Another Big 12 title with a loss to Southern Tuscaloosa or whoever won't cut it"

Winning a conference with only one player that uses their brain would be a historical achievement. You're arguing with yourself. Chicken Littles always do that eventually.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Okay now we're getting somewhere, good job at reading Jay; therefore, your first response should have read, "You expect the team to win the Big 12 with one player using their brain" before proceeding with your Chicken Little remark. And my response to that reasonable response would be yes I do. Southern Tuscaloosa could win half of their games in the Big 12 if their home court was Allen Fieldhouse. Then you pick up road wins against lesser teams like Tech, Ok. St., and then battle for a couple at the rest, it doesn't take a "historical" effort to get that done. You do remember that last year teams from the Big 12, which was hyped as the best conference last year, all bowed out of the tourney before the 2nd week except for Oklahoma?

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

That didn't save you . You still look like an idiot. It's cute that some of your Chicken Little brethren have come by to tell you that your comments make sense.

It's hard to say which would be more pathetic. Them supporting the notion that only one Jayhawk player uses their brain? Or that winning a conference with just one such player would be no big deal?

I'm sure that the Chicken Littles would agree with anything you say, however idiotic, if I'm mocking it. Have fun joining together in a little circle time.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Yawn. You're definitely single, and I refuse to help replace your lack of intimacy by playing internet frisby with you. Good luck though!

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

That sort of empty childishness is easier than making sense for you I'm sure.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 7 months ago

Jaston, I see that you are both and idiot and are overwhelmed by basic concepts - according to Jay. You were right in your first response: don't take the bait. The guy is truly the weirdest person to ever post on this board. He is, in fact, a purple pussycat because no one could hate other KU fans as much as he does, unless their favorite song is Wabash Cannonball.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Brett, honestly, I'm not ever offended by Jay. My main issue with him is that I used to think he was this diehard Jayhwawk fan who refused to criticize Bill Self or any Kansas player, but that turned out to not be the case. He in so many words criticized players like Diallo, Bragg and Perry Ellis for taking wild jump shots (exact wording can be found in an earlier post that I'm sure is still on here). From that point on, he's lost all credibility and I've lost all interest in his comments

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 7 months ago

Just ignore him. He won't go away, but you'll feel much better in the end just ignoring the clucker.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Feel free to take up his ideas and argue for them if you're so supportive Aaron... It can't be much more difficult to help you make a fool of yourself based on that comment.

Jay Scott 6 years, 7 months ago

Given how often your idiotic opinions are proven as such I almost feel sorry for you. Then I remember how readily you resort to insulting the people that make you look like a fool and I smile. Sadly, You and I know you'll be back making yourself look stupid again soon.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 7 months ago

I find Self's propensity for playing Traylor and Lucas puzzling, but to call Ellis "the one bright spot" and the only one "who uses his brain" is more than unfair.

Joseph Bullock 6 years, 7 months ago

Chris Shaw, you made excellent points about Perry not having a stable front court mate. I have also felt that way, and I thought it would be Hunter, when he got the starting nod. I also thought it might be Carlton, because of his nice outside shot, especially after he played virtually the entire second half of one game! And Joe Joseph, you also make some very good points! Playing together gives you timing, and you learn what each other will do in different situations, without having to think about it!

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