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Wednesday, April 6, 2016

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Tom Keegan: Jayhawks finished as 3rd-best in nation

The Kansas starters, Frank Mason III, Landen Lucas, Devonte Graham, Wayne Selden Jr. and Perry Ellis stand arm-in-arm late in the second half as they watch a pair of UConn free throws with the game wrapped up, Saturday, March 19, 2016 at Wells Fargo Arena in Des Moines.

The Kansas starters, Frank Mason III, Landen Lucas, Devonte Graham, Wayne Selden Jr. and Perry Ellis stand arm-in-arm late in the second half as they watch a pair of UConn free throws with the game wrapped up, Saturday, March 19, 2016 at Wells Fargo Arena in Des Moines.

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The answer to what happened to Kansas University in the NCAA basketball tournament as in what went wrong elicits a very easy four-word response: Villanova happened, that’s what.

The Wildcats are national champions because by the time the tournament rolled around, they were the best team in the country, if only a fraction of a second better than North Carolina, the second-best team in the nation.

The nation’s third-best team? The coaches (sports information directors as proxies?) who voted Kansas No. 3 in the USA Today poll released Monday, got it right.

Heading into Monday night’s national-title game, North Carolina’s closest call came in a 14-point victory over Notre Dame. Other than in a 64-59 survival vs. Kansas, Nova’s smallest margin was 19 points vs. Iowa. During their 6-0 title run, the Wildcats won by an average margin of 20.7 points. North Carolina’s five victories came by an average margin of 20.3 points.

Villanova overcame the injustice of having a No. 2 seed and playing in the most loaded bracket, proving that in order to win the national title, you have to beat the best.

That doesn’t change the injustice of Oklahoma, 44-point loser to Villanova and No. 2 seed in the weak West, having an easier path to the Final Four than Kansas. The Jayhawks would have made it to Houston with a more fair bracket, but there’s no denying the right team was crowned champion.

And there is no secret how Villanova, champ of the underrated Big East, pulled it off. The Wildcats played phenomenal defense, particularly in shutting down the opponent’s leading scorer.

Perry Ellis averaged 23 points in KU’s three tournament victories and scored four points vs. Villanova. What happened from there proved the off night was more about Villanova than about Ellis.

Buddy Hield averaged 29.3 points in Oklahoma’s four tourney victories and was held to nine points in the 44-point loss to Villanova.

Brice Johnson averaged 20 points in North Carolina’s five NCAA tournament triumphs and scored 14 points against Villanova.

Score another championship for defense.

North Carolina’s Marcus Paige, not long after making what will go down as one of the most memorable shots by a player from the losing team in the history of college basketball, gave credit where it belonged.

“They’re a terrific defensive team,” Paige said. “They challenge every shot. They don’t make very many mistakes.”

Kansas used a similar formula to go 33-5. Villanova (35-5) was just five points better.

Comments

Allan Olson 6 years, 4 months ago

C'mon Man, these 3 teams held # ONE place the majority of the time this season. Neither KU or UNC got skunked by Nova, unlike the Okies. Give credit to the victor for having a couple less mistakes along the line. How 'bout we call these 3...1A, 1B, and 1C for 2015-2016. P.S. Diallo may get some current money as a 2nd round talent...hope he enjoys those D-League bus rides and empty arenas for the next two years. C'mon Man, you truly need at least one more year at KU.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 4 months ago

Okies were a Final Four team..give credit when it is due.

Jay Scott 6 years, 4 months ago

Nova went with a slightly deeper rotation and disregarded the "new rules". They dared the zebras to call fouls, betting that in the tourney the whistles would get swallowed. It worked in their favor. Jay Wright is no dummy. Will it work again next year for another team? That's 340 days away. Coaches and the NCAA will have all that time to evaluate.

Al Martin 6 years, 4 months ago

That was my conclusion after our game, and confirmed in the final four. It's a really smart move by Wright, but risky. It could have backfired on him, but he got a championship for taking the risk.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 4 months ago

I'll never concede Nova was the better team than Kansas...never.

The unbelievable bad calls received by Kansas at game point and KU's poor FT shooting killed us. Of course when Nova goes 18-19 from the line, you do indeed need to give them credit for putting in the work to hit those FTs. All season long, we all, including the Self & Keegan exchange, talked about the concerns about KU FTs. Still, despite the poor FTs, we could of won the game had it not been for the unbelievable officiating down the stretch that gave Nova everything, even those that obviously should have gone our way.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

7-11 isn't exactly bad free throw shooting. It's a bit less than average, but it's not 14-for-30-against-Syracuse-in-2003 bad. And it definitely didn't cost KU the game.

0-for-12 is what cost KU the game. As in what KU players not named Devonte Graham shot from three before Frank Mason made one with 30 seconds left.

Brett McCabe 6 years, 4 months ago

Also, the two handoffs we made to their guard at the top of the key didn't help.

Calvin Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

Those were fouls by Nova, but the refs (especially Jeff clark) were determined to hand the game to Nova.

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 4 months ago

Two of those misses were front ends. We had a chance to score 13 points from the line and got 7 of them. That comes out to 7-13 just over 50%. Add those 5 points, or even 4 of them, and subtract the intentional fouls we committed to end the game...and it's game our way.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

KU also scored off of an offensive rebound from one of those front-end misses, basically negating the misses.

Kansas didn't lose due to poor free throw shooting.

Brad Farha 6 years, 4 months ago

I think it was worse in 2003 Joe. I think we were 12-30.

Tom Jones 6 years, 4 months ago

KU also got two baskets off of missed FT's to get just over 50%.

Eerily similar 3 point shooting games, though, percentage wise, as KU went 4-20 from 3pt range, which really did us in as much as (if not more than) our FT ineptitude.

Both were mind-boggling shooting performances but this year's moreso since this was a much better shooting team in general from 3 than the 03 team.

Dave Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

Cut KU's turn overs resulting in points made for Villanova in half and the game would have had a completely different ending.

John Pritchett 6 years, 4 months ago

And had the refs been calling the game the way they should have called it, those turnovers would have been cut in half, while KU would have been at the foul line a lot more. That's the point. The amount of contact Nova was allowed is directly tied to the number of turnovers (those "handoffs" were contact fouls) KU had, and also, as Coach Self himself even said, a lot of KU's steals ended up with Nova scoring points at the foul line instead of KU runouts.

Bottom line is this:

KU shot 46% from 2 and made 23 shots. Nova shot 40% from 2 and made 21 shots. KU shot 27% from 3 and made 6. Nova shot 22% from 3 and made 4. KU had 6 offensive rebounds to Nova's 5. KU had 26 defensive rebounds to Nova's 23. KU had 11 assists to Nova's 7. Both teams had 2 blocked shots. The only place Nova beat Kansas was in free throw attempts, steals and turnovers, and like I said, these all came down to how the officials ran the game. I know it's hard to be unbiased about this, but I honestly felt like KU and Nova played the same smothering defense (credit to both teams for this), but KU's steals ended up as foul shots for Nova, and Nova's steals ended up as runouts for points. That's going to be the deciding factor in a close game.

Yes, Kansas could and should have been able to overcome the poor officiating. But that fact alone proves that Kansas is the better team. Kansas lost because so much went wrong, Nova because so much went right. Teams are more than just a single outcome. You reverse just a handful of foul calls and KU wins this game.

But this is nothing new. The '97 Jayhawks were better than Arizona, and the '03 Jayhawks were better than Syracuse, etc, etc. That's the nature of the tournament, and KU has a way of being on the losing side of that equation ('57 Jayhawks included!). '88 and '08 were the exceptions, the outliers, unfortunately.

Greg Ledom 6 years, 4 months ago

Sorry Suzi but your delusional if you think this was about the zebras, and I'm as big a KU homer as anyone. You don't give up 8 of 9 possessions in a row at one point and have one of your best 3 point shooters go 0-6 (and he still had a pretty damn good game) and expect to win that deep into the tourney. Look, were there bad calls? Sure. Were there bad calls on Nova? Sure. Regardless of that, if Wayne hits two of six, and / or we turn it over 5 times less and turn that into points 3 of those........well you get the idea. Quit crying about fouls, it's total sour grapes BS. Rock Chalk forever!!!! Oh, and Nova was the best team that night........they won.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 4 months ago

NOT personal Suzi but I doubt anyone in Phillie gives a sh##.

Armen Kurdian 6 years, 4 months ago

We went 7-11 from the line, that's not terrible. We went less than 25% from beyond the arc. That's what killed us. Many of those were open looks. We did not hit our shots and make them pay for double/triple teaming Ellis.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

Read this after I posted above. Sorry...

Suzi Marshall 6 years, 4 months ago

as I said above, two of the misses were front-ends. We went 7-13 or barely 50%. We had a chance to score 13 points from the line, but got 7 so we missed out on 6 points. That's just over a 50% conversion rate.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

Kansas went 7-11. Which is 64%. 8-11 is essentially average. That's one point.

Kent Wells 6 years, 4 months ago

Joe, Suzi is factoring in the two missed free throws (as a consequence of not hitting the front end of the one and one) into her calculation of 7-13...

Joe Joseph 6 years, 4 months ago

I know what she's doing. She's distorting the statistics to fit her narrative, which is a poor one.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 4 months ago

I almost feel that if you miss the first of a one and one it should be called a turnover. It will never happen but it is essentially the same thing.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 4 months ago

So KU shoots close to their average on thise 13 FT's, that's still only 2 more points in the game.

The officiating and 3 point shooting were much larger impacts than KU not hitting their averageaverage from the FT line because there wasn't the volume of FT's to make a significant difference for KU.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 4 months ago

I can't believe teaming up on Ellis worked. How come no one else tried it until the 4th round of the tournament?

Doug Longstaff 6 years, 4 months ago

It's time to move on, I know. We all watched the game, we all know there were quite a few calls that really could have gone either way, and as KU fans, we certainly remember the ones that went against us the most. There were some bad ones, to be sure.

Suffice it to say that KU vs. Nova absolutely could have gone either way, depending on a call here or there, a made or missed basket here or there.

I don't think there was more than a few hairs separating KU, Nova and UNC this season. Play a full home-and-home double round robin between the three, and you'd more than likely have three teams tied at 2-2 each. It just so happens that, when it mattered most on neutral courts, Nova got the extra call, made the extra play, got the extra stop, whatever--they did what it took to win, and they are a worthy national champion. Play their games with KU and UNC over again, and literally any result would be plausible.

Mick Allen 6 years, 4 months ago

Careful Doug. Hate to see you establish a precedent for posting here by being objective and accurate as your statement above demonstrates.

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

I agree.

The truth is somewhere between what you and Tom Keegan are saying. Either Villanova was the better team outright, or there are only small differences separating the top 3 teams and 'Nova just happened to play better. Either way, the result is the same: Nova earned the championship.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 4 months ago

Just wish we actually got off a last shot.

Keith Gellar 6 years, 4 months ago

i'm very shocked that a ton of KU fans are blaming the officiating- how very mizzou and KSU of us. Every game has bad officiating- we happen to lose the game a team that just played better than us on that day and instead of accepting defeat, we keep on saying how we got jobbed.

Have any of "these fans" ever watched KU games with fans of other teams. They all say the same thing about us how their teams get jobbed. Remember the horrendous ISU call and i don't recall KU fans complaining about officiating then. Infact, HCBS even went out and said one or 2 plays do not determine the game.

We got beat by a team that just out played us on that night. Are we better than nova ? i'll give the edge to us, but we just didn't make out shots.

Jay Scott 6 years, 4 months ago

During those games you speak of, did the national broadcast announcers refer to the fouls on the team's best player as "phantom"?

In what sense did Nova outplay Kansas? Shooting? No. 3 Point shooting? No. Rebounding? No.

They shot and made more FTs, made more steals (those same steals for KU were whistled as what CBS called phantom fouls) That's it. Nova did not outplay Kansas that night. Not in any measurable sense. They did score more points.

Jim Williamson 6 years, 4 months ago

Villanova beat the crap out of us, physically and mentally, and exposed us for the Charmin-soft team that we often were, especially Ellis. Post-game, Jay Wright said, "We knew if we could turn it into a street fight, we'd win." And that could not possibly have sat well with Bill Self, a coach who prides himself on coaching toughness, both mental and physical.

Jay Scott 6 years, 4 months ago

Thanks Jim. That was the point. Nova played a game other than basketball and was rewarded for it. Exactly what the NCAA said they wanted to eliminate.

Self might look to defend more aggressively in the tourney and pile some fouls on bench players but Wright didn't say Kansas was soft and no intelligent fan, reporter or coach does either.

Don Burgundy 6 years, 4 months ago

Calling KU a Charmin soft team is probably the dumbest thing I've read on here in a while. Was KU soft when they beat OU at OU, or when they won the Big 12 regular and tourney ships? Because one team was better than the other on one night, that makes the loser soft? You're calling Mason soft but he played through foot and hip injuries???

Gary McCullough 6 years, 4 months ago

Don't forget the blown traveling/double dribble calls. VU got away with NBA officiating on those.

Calvin Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

It wasn't 2 or 3 plays. It was horrendous officiating the entire game. Hand-checking is a point of emphasis for officials this year---let's face it, these officials were applying the 2013 rules.

Jim Johnson 6 years, 4 months ago

Anyone can say whatever they want to say, "the officials" " the calls" the play was terrible. Point blank! The better team is the team that plays when they have to play and KU did not play when they had to play! They looked like idiots that night and that is when it counted. A GOOD team plays through any obstacle whether it's officials or free throws or whatever, you play when it's time to play or you go home and listen to the whiny fans defend you and make excuses for you but you still- go- home. And that is POINT BLANK!

And one other thing while you whiny fans are reading. There is not a player on this team that is going anywhere in the NBA anytime soon. Selden has been waiting for the opportunity this year presented and he blew it and the rest couldn't even play starting team basketball on a college team so they sure aren't going to play with the big boys in the NBA.

Bob Zielinski 6 years, 4 months ago

I don't blame the bad calls or free throws. It was the usual case when KU loses in the Tournament. We were tight. Selden with two airballs. Sloppy hand off passes. Freezing or hesitating for that extra half second which separates a fluid offensive possession from being a step late on a drive, shot or pass.

We played a C- game and barely lost. When an athlete thinks about their plays and movements and does not default to the muscle memory they have built throughout the hours of practices and games the results are what we saw last Saturday.

It happens. KU had a great season and could have won it all. It is a simple matter of playing with freedom and not overthinking when out on the court.

Calvin Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

So what if the players were tight. still shot 46% as a team. Very few athletes play their best in every game. Consider that Graham hit 5 of 6 3-pointers; Four of the 5 foul calls on him were not fouls. The refs were determined to foul out Graham in order for Nova to win the game.

Joe Ross 6 years, 4 months ago

I wonder about the OU-Villanova season series. Has there ever been a 67-point swing between any 2 teams in the same season? When the swing margin is larger than a reasonable point total for a team in a game you know there can not be too many game swings like that.

Shannon Gustafson 6 years, 4 months ago

I had this same thought after that second game ended. Almost certainly has to be the biggest swing all time.

Mick Allen 6 years, 4 months ago

I too was astonished Joe. A 67 point swing in the 2 games they played against each other. I know the adage"That's why they play the game", but that is unbelievable. As strange a stat as I have ever seen. Do you think the book makers were surprised also?. Let me guess.

Colby Hebert 6 years, 4 months ago

Villanova had an unbelievable run through the tournament, one of the great all time performances. Kansas almost beat em..No other team in the field had a prayer. Villanova even withstood North Carolina's miracle 3...

Harlan Hobbs 6 years, 4 months ago

Did having Joe Castiglione, Athletic Director at Oklahoma, as the head of the Tournament Committee help Oklahoma's seeing? You think! Probably just coincidence since he had to leave the room when the others were discussing OU, but hard to think that Villanova was effectively the 8th seed in the tournament since we were the #1 overall seed. Although normal pairings aren't guaranteed, the #1 and the #8 would usually be in the same region.

All I know is that, if given a choice, I would rather have played Xavier, the #2 seed in UNC's bracket, than Villanova.

Also, must second Mick's assessment of your post, Doug. Very well stated.

Harlan Hobbs 6 years, 4 months ago

Also, Xavier didn't even make it to the Sweet Sixteen, so really UNC ended up having the easiest road to the Final Four.

Steve Macy 6 years, 4 months ago

As a life long Jayhawker, I have moved on, yet I see we still hash over the Villanova game. My opinion, and it is just an opinion, the stage was too big for this KU team, coaches and players. They played timid. If you want to call it choking, go ahead, but I think it was more subtle than that, arms got a little shorter, a previous poster mentioned the fumbled ball screens, the missed front ends of one and ones, and the lack of adjustments to the defense and the refs. I know I am splitting hairs, about not being a choke job, but that's me. RCJH, we ran into the best team in the tournament, and did not respond well enough to win. It happens, looking forward to next year, especially if, but not limited to, possibly having the kid brother of a 1988 NC team member on the 2017 team, that is wild and weird, especially since he uses his dad's free-throw style.

Glen Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

Woulda, coulda, shoulda..... Why doesn't everyone just give credit to Villanova and admit that on that night, they were the better team. We knew very early that it would be physical. We saw very early that the refs were missing calls. We knew by halftime it would be about who wanted it more. Villanova adjusted accordingly and slowed our pace. They negated our best player and hounded us all night. We played hard for stretches and looked lost for others. They beat us... They won the game. It was not a fluke or the refs fault. Get over it and move on. The what ifs will do nothing but torment you. Well get em next year!! RCJH

Jay Scott 6 years, 4 months ago

...except that Kansas out shot them and out rebounded them...so actually, only better at free throws and steals/fouls...

Glen Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

Who won the game? That's the only "stat" that matters...... stats are numbers, numbers on a piece of paper. What those numbers don't reflect are hustle plays, effort, toughness and composure. Villanova out shined us in every one of those areas and won the game. Do I think we win a series against them, absolutely..... but on that night, they were the better team, no excuses.

Jay Scott 6 years, 4 months ago

I think people actually realize that Nova won. Nobody is making excuses. They're pointing out facts.

Glen Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

You can go troll someone else man. I'm not like so many others on here who take the bait. God Bless and have a good one!

Brian Wilson 6 years, 4 months ago

What i've been saying, this goes back to playing players out of position for the past 3 to 4 years. Just look at the article on the front page. Ellis will have to be a small forward in the NBA and Selden will probably have to play the point. Both players played their entire careers at KU playing out of position for their respective NBA careers. Now they are screwed. If Ellis (as a small forward) and Selden(as a shooting guard or point guard) were not the most talented at their respective positions then they should not have been given the spots in their freshmen year. KU should be recruiting players at their respective NBA positions in order to prepare them for the NBA all while competing for National Championships. As far as Villanova, we were out quicked and out sized, could not get open, could not get shots, they bottled us up and then the refs made it even worse. I have said this since the beginning. I love em both but glad to see them go in hopes Bill can get the lineup straightened out. We need a true Center or Two Big Power Forwards along with a true small forward and two guards. This next year if Diallo comes back I like the lineup: Lucas Diallo Bragg Svi Jackson Graham Vick Mason or maybe Az surprises early or another big man gets recruited if Diallo goes

Jay Scott 6 years, 4 months ago

Brian, I don't know how to say this more politely but you have no clue.

Nova didn't out quick or outsize Kansas. Kansas had more open looks, shot a higher percentage and out rebounded them. Did you watch the Nova game?

Kansas took on all comers with their best lineup and even though they had a bad game,narrowly lost to the eventual champ in controversial fashion.... There's a reason they were the #1 Seed and Vegas fave. Their lineup wasn't flawed.

Perry Ellis has never been a small forward, has none of the skills of a small forward and the reason he's not highly ranked in mock drafts is that NBA execs know this. He has no face up game and no jumper. Want to watch Ellis vs Wiggins? Vs Kawhi Leonard? Vs Heyward? Melo? Durant or Lebron? Heck even Joe Johnson or Deng? No you don't.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 4 months ago

KU's front court Perry's freshman year was Jeff Withey, Kevin Young, himself, Jamari Traylor, amd Landen Lucas. Perry was the 1st big off the bench that year.

Wayne Selden as a freshman started alongside sophomores Naadir Tharpe and freshmen Andrew Wiggins in the back court. KU also had sophomore Andrew White and freshmen Frank Mason and Brannen Greene in the back court rotation.

You also do realize that college and professional basketball are not the same games right?

Glen Miller 6 years, 4 months ago

Seriously...... would you have trusted Selden to run the point for us? I sure wouldn't have. If some NBA team wants to coach him up to run the point, then let them. For OUR team, he was best on the wing. Ellis, no matter his size or scoring ability, is not a 3. That would be a wing player and Ellis is not a wing player. We played him (again) where he best suited US, not the NBA. Once these kids go to the NBA, then they may change positions..... but while at KU, we should utilize their abilities to contribute best for KU. The NBA will be there and if they are talented enough, they will play there. I do not understand why playing them out of position to ready them for the NBA does us any good. College ball and pro ball are different games. Trying to play an NBA type game in college would put us somewhere around .500 or barely above it. Nothing wrong with having an opinion, but I do not agree with the reasoning.

Terrence Cernech 6 years, 4 months ago

Give 'Nova credit for their game plans. They took away their biggest threats in their last three games; Ellis, Heild and Johnson. Even though Johnson ended with 14 if you watched the game you saw his frustration on and off the court. And, as always, in most every basketball game I have seen over the last 50 years it comes down to how the game is officiated. It's in the timing of the calls and not necessarily the number of calls. Two or three calls at the right (or wrong) time can change the whole complexion of the game. Always has and always will. KU gets a huge benefit of calls at home during conference play. At the same time they can get homered on the road in the conference. That has always been the nature of conference officiating by my experience. The home team gets the benefit of the doubt. That's officiating. That's life.

Lin Rahardja 6 years, 4 months ago

Nova's game plan was simple, disrupt KU's ball handlers by slapping the ball. They didn't get called for fouls enough despite touching KU players' arms. Mikal Bridges averages 1.1 spg but got 5 steals against KU.

Michael Lorraine 6 years, 4 months ago

I think they were way too hard on Devonte but I can't blame the officials, that's part of the game. We outshot and out rebounded them but lost the game in a way that should not have happened, lack of fundamentals. Turnovers and free throws eventually doomed us. A number of fans pointed out their concern about both of these areas throughout the season and it eventually caught up with us.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 4 months ago

Really don't care.... Wake me up for 'Late Nght'.

Mike Greer 6 years, 4 months ago

As I've stated before, it all comes down to the open guys have to make shots. That night it jsut disn't happen. Nova proved they can stimey just about anyone when they shut down Hield, but they can't shut down the whole team, so when they double Ellis, someone has to be open. They shut down the inside on UNC and it was the 3s that kept UNC close in that game. Just make 2 of those 12 missed 3s and it's a different outcome. Free. throws, 'Nova shot lights out, KU didn't get as many chances, but left points on the table. Turnovers, for a team of vetern players, have been an issue all season. This wasn't the first game where we turned the ball over way too many times with loose play. What makes it hurt so bad is that this was a very winable game, very winable, we simply didn't make the open shots we needed to make.

Martin Rosenblum 6 years, 4 months ago

IF the teams were seeded where they should have been, KU in the Midwest and Villanova in the East as well as Virginia in the South, we would have seen a totally different outcome. KU would have played/beat NC and probably would have faced Oklahoma in the final game. Oklahoma would not have had any luck with KU at that point as they didn't in earlier games this season.

(Of course, this is just one person's opinion)

Bj Cassady 6 years, 4 months ago

I put in a blog a few weeks ago the things that could haunt us in the dance: !. If Mason goes back to turning the ball over... he did. 2. If Seldon has one of those hot/cold days from the field ... he did. 3. If we didn't put another offensive big in the game to take the pressure off of Ellis (Bragg, Mickelson) We failed. Despite all this we came darn close. I wish we could play them again and use Svi more. We just needed more height.

Humpy Helsel 6 years, 4 months ago

We KU basketball fans are a very passionate, opinionated bunch, aren't we? Got to love it. OK! On to next year and a bunch of fun adding interest and conversations to our lives. Living down here in Oklahoma, the Sooner fans moved VERY quickly to talk of spring football, football recruiting, and next year's football schedule and the chances of winning the national championship in football. Their reaction to losing by 40+ in the Final Four? "Oh, well." Sound familiar? Sounds like us after losing another football game in another blowout. They respect the crap out of our basketball program down here in Sooner land, and we respect their history of excellence in football. OK! And back to recruiting news in basketball!

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