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Friday, November 20, 2015

Brannen Greene suspended, won’t travel to Maui

Reserve guard to miss 6 games 'for conduct detrimental to the team'

Kansas guard Brannen Greene (14) raises up his hands as he questions being called for a foul during the first half on Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse. Also pictured are Kansas forward Hunter Mickelson (42) and Pittsburg State guard Chris Owens (5).

Kansas guard Brannen Greene (14) raises up his hands as he questions being called for a foul during the first half on Wednesday, Nov. 4, 2015 at Allen Fieldhouse. Also pictured are Kansas forward Hunter Mickelson (42) and Pittsburg State guard Chris Owens (5).

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After opening his junior season with an explosive shooting performance, coming off the bench for Kansas University’s men’s basketball team, three-point specialist Brannen Greene is back in coach Bill Self’s dog house.

Greene, who made all five of his three-point attempts on his way to 18 points against Northern Colorado and scored six points (6-for-6 at the free-throw line) versus Michigan State, won’t play at next week’s Maui Invitational.

Self announced Friday morning he suspended the junior sharpshooter six games “for conduct detrimental to the team,” and Greene will not travel with KU to the holiday showcase.

Greene also will miss Kansas home games against Loyola (Maryland), Harvard and Holy Cross.

Self said in the release Greene will be allowed to practice with the Jayhawks when they return from Lahina, Hawaii.

Greene made 50 percent (27-for-54) of his three-point shots during his sophomore season, and is a 47.8-percent three-point shooter for his career.

This isn’t the first time Greene has run into trouble with Self, though. In March of this year, Greene was suspended for KU’s regular-season finale, against Oklahoma. During Greene’s freshman year, Self suspended him one game for “a pattern of irresponsible behavior.”

Shortly after the news of Greene’s suspension came out Friday morning, he tweeted a message: “Don’t talk unless you know. I’m just trying to play basketball.” The tweet was later deleted.

Comments

Kristen Downing 6 years, 7 months ago

Probably part of the problem is he thinks he is.

Brian Wilson 6 years, 7 months ago

WHERE IS CONNER FRANKAMP WHEN YOU NEED HIM?

Phil Leister 6 years, 7 months ago

Gotta love Brannen's tweet. So no one is allowed to have an opinion unless they know what happened?

This has unfortunately become a pattern for Brannen, it's not as if this is an isolated incident. Bill has always been tough on his guys, and seemingly fair to them as well. 3 suspensions over the course of 3 years tells me enough to form an opinion that Brannen needs to pull his head out of his butt. He figures to be an important piece to the puzzle this year. Here's to hoping he can figure out how to to be like the rest of his teammates and stay out of Bill's doghouse.

Dale Rogers 6 years, 7 months ago

I think his tweet is saying let's don't start a bunch of rumors, which we all know does and will happen anyhow.

Joe Joseph 6 years, 7 months ago

God forbid a college kid make a mistake. Learn from it and move on!

Phil Leister 6 years, 7 months ago

Ah, but your second sentence there is the kicker. He got suspended freshman year. "Learn from it and move on Brannen!". Sophomore year comes along-suspension. "Learn from it and move on Brannen!". Junior year comes along, and starts quite promising, then- 6 game suspension. "Just learn from it and move on Brannen!"

Joe Joseph 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm just saying. Let's not crucify the kid. If we all lived under the same microscope during our college years that these athletes live under...

Keith Gellar 6 years, 7 months ago

But once you become a high profile athlete, guess what, your life gets under a microscope. he chose this life and guess what, now he has to deal with the consequences. Besides, BS is pretty fair- if it was something minor, he wouldn't have given 5-6 game suspension. Pretty sure what ever Brannen did, it was more than a minor incident.

Overall, my opinion of BG is getting lower and lower. Couple of people i know have run into him and said he's a total ego maniac, thinks he's the next big thing. You can see it on the court as well. We have no room for players like that on KU. Self should enforce the strikes and your out policy.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 7 months ago

Greene was suspended for either mouthing off to Self or for a 4th failed drug test. I don't live under a microscope, but if I mouthed off to my boss, I'm fired, and if I fail a drug test, let alone 4 of them, I'm fired. Greene's suspensions aren't a result of living under a microscope, they're a result of him lacking common sense.

Gerry Butler 6 years, 7 months ago

so he might live under a so called microscope per says you, but at what point does this kid start to grow up? He is lucky he is even still on the team period, a lot of coaches after this many run ins would be off the team plain and simple. Does he not realize that not only does his actions effect him, but he is also effecting the whole team. He is not only hurting himself BUT he is also hurting and letting his teammates down, time to get a serious dose of grow the hell up.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 7 months ago

A good part of me agrees with Joe but then I remember CJ Giles. Plenty of potential but just couldn't keep out of trouble. KU was a better team after Giles left although I don't think that would necessarily be true in this case.

Greene needs to take responsibility for his actions but then afterwards, Greene needs to stop screwing up. If not, he will play his final year and a half somewhere else

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 7 months ago

This is the 3rd time he's been suspended by Self. This is no longer a mistake, it's a pattern of bad behavior and poor decisions on Greene's end.

Glen Miller 6 years, 7 months ago

If it wasn't something that continually happened every season, I would agree. Seems like Greene's maturity progression is basically non-existent.

Michael Leiker 6 years, 7 months ago

Sure sounds like he may have spouted off about riding the pine while Devonte chucked up bricks on Tuesday. My point from the other day stands, Bill has to change his approach. Maybe somebody other the BG needs to grow up a little bit too.

Of course all speculation.

Eric TheCapn 6 years, 7 months ago

Sure sounds like you actually have no idea. Follow Greene's advice, "Don’t talk unless you know."

Michael Leiker 6 years, 7 months ago

Ridiculous...you can obviously read into his tweet and draw a conclusion about what was going on...KC Star article sounds like I nailed it.

Robert Robinson 6 years, 7 months ago

No surprise. Probably won't be his last screw up either. I love the guy when he's burying 3s but hate him after each one with the stares and trash talk. Act like you've been there. Way to let your team down... again

Chandler Accipiter 6 years, 7 months ago

What about all the "conduct detrimental to the team" during Tuesday's MSU game? Will appropriate action be taken by Self?

Steve Zimmerman 6 years, 7 months ago

Did anyone notice when we played vs MSU, Greene looked frustrated. He chased a loose ball that ended up in a hand of a spectator - who looked like a KU fan - and Greene kind of slapped the ball out of the guy that was handing it to him. He looked shocked, so did his friends. I just think that might be one reason. Greene needs to humble himself a bit. I know he's a youth, but gosh.. I hate it when commentators always say he's the best shooter and all.. He's a good shooter alright, but now he's thinking he's waaay too good. Confidence is different than being cocky. Attitude is everything. These players need to just be constantly reminded how to play their best ability in every game.

Keith Gellar 6 years, 7 months ago

i guess the nick name "goons" for this group is fitting afterall.

Gerry Butler 6 years, 7 months ago

guess the phrase AIR HEAD applies to some too

Mick Allen 6 years, 7 months ago

This is Brannon's 3rd suspension Michael since he has been here and his first two had nothing to do with his dissatisfaction with playing time. I do agree that he certainly should have played more against MSU.

Aaron Paisley 6 years, 7 months ago

At this point, it's time to cut ties with Greene. I don't care that he's one of the best shooters in the country, this is the third time he's been suspended by Self. Suspended one time is a mistake, but 3 times is a not a mistake, it's a pattern of poor choices and at some point you need to cut loose dead weight and Brannen Greene is now dead weight for KU.

Joe Ross 6 years, 7 months ago

Youre right that this is a disturbing pattern of behavior. But calling to "cut ties" is a rash response, especially given that we dont know the nature of the behavior. Coach Self has proven in the past that he knows how to get rid of players who display moral turpitude, and if he felt the sum of Greene's misbehavior warranted it, he would no doubt do it. As to whether or not Brannen is "dead weight for KU", that's clearly not the case because Coach is competent to make that call and he hasn't.

Rodney Crain 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree there is a pattern here. Its hard to agree to cutting him loose without understanding what happened this time. This is a major suspension, he might be at the end of his rope with the program after this.

Very interesting that this comes after such a bad loss. This years team was supposed to be a tough experienced mature group deserving of a high ranking. They do not look like that right now.

This is another log on the fire that something seems amiss with the mens program right now.

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 7 months ago

Maybe but with next year's incoming class possibly being the worst under Bill Self, we better hope that Svi decides to play a third-year. Originally Svi stated when he came here that he intended to stay for two seasons.

Also, wouldn't you at least want to know the transgression first?

Chandler Accipiter 6 years, 7 months ago

Tyshawn Taylor also had a "pattern of behaivor" with multiple suspensions, and he ended his career in the national championship game. "Point plankn!"

Shane Johnston 6 years, 7 months ago

If by "cut ties" you mean commit to Svi getting major wing minutes even after Brannen comes back, then I'm with you.

I dislike it as well when commentators refer to Brannen as one of the best shooters in the country (RE: Steve). He's not. Great shooters move without the basketball. Great shooters create their own space. Great players find more than one way to contribute consistently. Brannen doesn't do those things.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

This sounds like the dictator Bill Self trying to squash any dissenting voice in the camp. I bet Brannen Greene was questioning Self's decision making with other teammates and Self brought down his iron fist. Self's arrogance is detrimental to the team and it's time for him to be held accountable as well. It's unfortunate that the Kansas media and fanbase treat him like Mao Zedong which only reinforces his narcissism

Dale Rogers 6 years, 7 months ago

Wow, what a brilliant post. Go back to your comic books.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Go back to worshipping King Self while KU continues its downward spiral

Brianna Zaleski 6 years, 7 months ago

OK, genius. Who do you get to replace Self?

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

First of all, I personally do believe Self should be fired ONLY because he refuses to change his offensive philosophy which keeps elite guards from coming to KU. But I just at least would like for the Kansas media and fanbase to actually start questioning Self's decision making and stop treating him like he's untouchable, because frankly the last few years have been bad and the multiple early round exits to no name schools are unbearable and nothing seems to change in his approach. He's still throwing the ball inside to Landen Lucas who still doesn't have an offensive game. Brannen Greene and Svi are still riding the bench, Selden still looks out of sorts, Graham still looks like a 3 star recruit. I think he should come to his senses and hire a great offensive minded assistant coach who knows how to open up the offense and do more NBA style sets. If he's unwilling to do even that, then I would like to see Mark Turgeon hired. He has Kansas roots and is a players coach. One article said that "Mark Turgeon has adopted a new motion offense to fit their strenghts." That is the type of flexibility and adaptability that is needed in a coach, which Self absolutely lacks. Turgeon will know how to best utilize his talented players and he's a great recruiter

Michael Leiker 6 years, 7 months ago

Mostly spot on, except for firing the guy. Just can't fire a guy with this streak in the Big XII, that would look somewhat insane/Nebraskafootballesque...but I keep hoping he gets other opportunities and moves on. It's really not a lack of appreciation thing for what he's done, it's just a preference for a different style of basketball, something more flowing and open with more movement on offense...you know, like our previous coach :)

Jimbob Walton 6 years, 7 months ago

First of all how dare you compare that scrub Mark Turgeon to Bill Self. You do realize Bill Self is on track to be the winningness coach in NCAA mens basketball if he retires at 70 right? He has the highest winning percentage in the last ten years of any coach. He has been to two final fours and 11 straight regular season championships and who cares about the big 12 tournament besides Iowa State because they can't win a real tournament game. To fire the best college basketball coach of the last ten years is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The man has the Big 12 down to a science. It was the 2nd game of the year (Michigan State). Everyone needs to calm down. The real loss in the last three years is Danny Manning leaving. Our guards aren't a problem. They had a bad game yeah but look at wigs, frank last year, mclemore. We have great guards, they just had a bad game. The fact that you actually suggested firing the best college basketball coach in the country puts you on the level of a Kentucky fan. It would ruin Kansas Basketball. You can't honestly tell me that Mark Turgeon will win us a national championship or even a Big 12 championship. And no Mark Turgeon isn't a great recruiter. Who has he gotten besides Diamond Stone and Alex Len that were big time recruits? Bill Self landed Andrew Wiggins the best prospect since Lebron. Who has Turgeon put in the NBA besides Alex Len? Turgeon was a doormat for the ACC, he would be like Scott Drew for KU and Scott Drew is an absolutely horrible coach. I just can't even believe you actually called for the firing of Bill Self. And everybody saying what Self should do as far as rotation and minutes. HE HAS WON 12 STRAIGHT REGULAR SEASON CHAMPIONSHIPS AND BEEN TO THREE FINAL FOURS AND MADE THE TOURNAMENT EVERY YEAR AT KANSAS. This is Bill freaking Self we are talking about. He almost won a national championship with Tyshawn, Elijah, Jeff, Trob, and Travis. How many people honestly thought that they were going to make it that far? He makes the impossible happen. He always excels in pressure situations. He finds a way to get it done. None of us have been coaching D1 basketball for over 20 years so we should not be critiquing a master of the game who clearly still is an amazing coach.

brent flanders 6 years, 7 months ago

Jimbob, wake up

Most of us long for the days of Roy and an athletic, exciting, up tempo basketball game...not the Big 10 style of play that "your coach" brought to the old barn

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

Jaston, I agree that Bill Self needs to be shown the door, but I don't think Turgeon is the right man for Kansas. I'd rather see Tony Bennett or Gregg Marshall brought in. Bennett's teams play sticky, stifling defense - something Self's teams don't do anymore. Gregg Marshall knows how to light a fire under his guys' asses and get them to "play angry"; Self's teams don't do that and act pretty nonchalant about losing and clueless about how to change it.

Jimbob Walton 6 years, 7 months ago

Greg Marshall? What they hell are you people smoking? Seriously you must be doing some hardcore hallucinogens to think Greg Marshall is a better coach. And Brent, Bill Self has yet to lose to Roy Williams since he has been at Kansas. Compare Roy and Bill the last ten years. Bill Self is 305-62. Roy Williams is 280-86. Roy never won a championship for Kansas. Y'all need to wake the hell up and be thankful we got as great of a coach as Bill. He could have left years ago for the NBA but he never did. No one besides Coach K has been as consistent as Bill. Roy had down years. Coach Cal has down years. Jim Boeheim has down years. Calhoun, Lavin, Pitino, TURGEON, all of the best coaches in college basketball has down years except Bill Self. And how do you say the players act nonchalant about losing? Tell me do you know them all personally? And Brent you are saying you would rather have a 20 and 10 season with a 5 seed in the tournament with Roy then a number 1-3 seed(Kansas has not been seeded lower in the last ten years, and was coached by Bill Self all ten of those years) and an opportunity to win it all every year. No one is better than Bill Self. If you all don't want to win anymore than by all means fire him. We will become a bunch of scrubs without Bill. http://espn.go.com/ncb/notebook/_/page/top50coaches6/no-6-kansas-bill-self

Rodney Crain 6 years, 7 months ago

Jaston, Turgeon has had some very nice talent but has not shown a lot of success in the NCAAs. You are reaching. Lets see what he does this year with his best "talent wise" team. He should reach the final four, if he does you might have a point. If he does not I am note sure he is the right choice.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Nothing is guaranteed for sure, and in terms of making it to the final four and winning national championships a lot of it is luck, but I don't think there's any doubt that he can have a lot of success here. This year will tell a lot about Turgeon as a coach indeed

Rodney Crain 6 years, 7 months ago

Jaston quite a jump there without knowing anything about what happened.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

Well everyone on here is condemning Brannen Greene with the same amount of information

Rodney Crain 6 years, 7 months ago

Jaston I don't see anyone else using dictator, arrogance and ending with a Mao reference. Seems a bit extreme and way off base considering the lack of information we have on this.

Not sure who you are angry with but your original post here is a bit dramtic for a 6 game suspension of a player who has had issues before with conduct.

Thats quite a jump you are taking.

Jaston Archie 6 years, 7 months ago

It's obvious that something happened between now and the end of the Michigan St. game. A guess would be that Greene was angry for his lack of playing time and rightfully so especially after his amazing performance the game prior, which led to him saying or doing something "detrimental to the team." But Self continues on as normal, suspends Greene for 6 games while he is not questioned or challenged at all. If it's about accountability, then Self needs to be held accountable for the teams poor results, but he never is

Dustin Peterson 6 years, 7 months ago

BREAKING: Coach Dale Benches Jimmy Chitwood; Town Goes Apesh*t

Dale Kroening 6 years, 7 months ago

Dude put the bong down , your crazy. Obviously you have no idea... LMAO

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

Have you watched our team underperform the last two years? 19 losses the past two seasons is unacceptable at Kansas, and from what I saw of this team vs. Sparty, another 10-loss season is on the horizon. Kansas basketball is on the same path to mediocrity as Texas football and basketball were in the final years of Mack Brown and Rick Barnes. But keep denying it and accusing those who disagree with you of being fearmongers...

Bill McGovern 6 years, 7 months ago

We should be fine without Greene for these six games. But we will definitely need him down the stretch, and if want to make it to the Final Four I don't think we could do it without the whole team (Diallo included.)

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

It is encouraging that they are letting Diallo travel to Maui.

Bill McGovern 6 years, 7 months ago

we could really use his defensive abilities, he sounds like the real deal.

Robert Brock 6 years, 7 months ago

Brannen is not up to the task. Time to cut him loose.

Luke Kading 6 years, 7 months ago

This is all speculation of course, but wouldn't surprise me if this is a direct result of a lack of playing time behind some mediocre at best play from the other perimeter players, in which case I can't say I blame him too much (not that I condone whatever he did to earn the suspension). All of last season and the start of this season Self seems to have the idea that Wayne Selden is an All-American and has to be on the floor at all times. News flash, he's not and probably isn't going to become one, and I think Greene should have played/be playing more even if his defense is horrendous. I had high hopes for Graham this year too, but so far he hasn't shown much to me but yet was on the floor almost the whole game against Michigan St. I've always been a big Self fan, but his usage of Selden, Graham, Lucas, and others over the last season and into this season over some other guys including Bragg and Greene is starting to frustrate me.

Of course I don't see what happens in practice to deserve minutes, and I'm sure Greene definitely acted irresponsibly to earn a six game suspension, which is pretty significant. Just my thoughts from afar.

James Donnell 6 years, 7 months ago

I totally agree with all your comments. Whatever we want to say about Greene, he was usually instant offense. Maybe has now had his three strikes and is out. Bad for him and sad for the team. This is totally a different situation than Lucas and Traylor, but these guys have had their chance in terms of,playing time as far as I am concerned. They should ONLY be in to rest Michelson, Bragg, and (hopefully) Diallo. And time for Svi and now Vick to get significant minutes. As for Selden, an over hyped 3 year starter, he perhaps should be our sixth man. Graham may come around, since he has very limited experience. Let's hope so. At least he can hit free throws. Mason misses way too many for having the ball in his hands at critical times in the game, and he tries to do TOO much. Very talented but drives me crazy!

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm certainly not going to question Coach Self on player rotations and things like that through the game, but it was very curious to me that Greene wasn't in the game at the very end when D is irrelevant and you have to have a 3 just to tie. We got 4 shots and none by our best outside shooters - Svi & Greene.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

Man, Brannen just cannot get out of his own way. SMH

Brianna Zaleski 6 years, 7 months ago

I believe his first 2 suspensions were for not going to class or studyhall. This could be a similar infraction, however, I don't believe the other 2 were labeled "conduct detrimental".

Very disappointing. More evidence that this team has not turned a corner like we all thought. Just more of the same as the last 2 years.

On the bright side, what an opportunity for Svi. Time to step up!

Marius Rowlanski 6 years, 7 months ago

If he gets it... Or does Self just play Selden and Graham that much longer?

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

Why do you think Jaston and I want to see a change in the head coaching position? It's because this team isn't getting better. It's stuck in neutral. And if you read quotes from Perry Ellis and Wayne Selden from the post-MSU presser, their quotes make them seem just as clueless as Turner Gill.

Steve Jacob 6 years, 7 months ago

Six games is a major penalty. He did more then just mouth off. It also gives him time to transfer and be eligible in January 2017.

Brian Skelly 6 years, 7 months ago

If Greene could defend worth a lick, he'd play more. But he doesnt, and hasnt. And we all know that wont fly with Coach self. So any 'frustration' he has -- if he does have it -- about playing time as almost entirely self inflicted. Im quite sure however one doesnt get suspended (a 3rd time?!?!?!) for merely being frustrated about playing time. Im comfortable in saying that something else is at play here. What it is, who knows.

We have several players that can fill his role, and likely better if given more time. That might be frustrating, and in fairness he IS behind compared to the guys who played in Korea, and with him rehabbing an injury.

Luke Kading 6 years, 7 months ago

Brian, of course he wouldn't be suspended merely for complaining about playing time. However, I wonder if his frustrations spilled into other activities, such as showing up late to workouts, class, etc, with a "what does it matter" attitude, and that's what got him into serious trouble. Again, just speculation. I know he has said before he would never transfer, but at this point it would not surprise me one bit.

If Diallo never gets cleared, I unfortunately see this team essentially being the same as last year - good but not great and not really a legit Final Four contender, which is depressing to think about.

Matt Gauntt 6 years, 7 months ago

All the armchair coaches calling for Greene to be cut. Great. I think I'll trust the coach with 559 wins and a National Championship to determine what is best for Brannen. Maybe some of you guys could start a basketball camp so you could teach these young men how to play since you're obviously better equipped than Coach Self.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

The coach with a national title from eight seasons ago. The coach who, aside from that 2012 title game appearance, hasn't done jack-squat in the NCAA Tournament since 2008.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

Except runner-up with a really depleted team, giving significant minutes to walk-ons and the like.

And only in an altered university is 10+ conference championships and counting "nothing".

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

Read my post more carefully. I said he hasn't done jack-squat in the NCAA Tournament. I never said anything about his body of work in the regular season. Outside of Kansas, no one cares how many conference titles in a row the Jayhawks win. I doubt anyone remembers how many conference titles in row UCLA won in the Wooden days or how many conference titles in a row Gonzaga won during its heyday.

Ryan Zimmerman 6 years, 7 months ago

Really need Diallo to get cleared. He's not the answer to any and all problems, but he has a spark that I think any team can benefit from and give them some added depth. Hopefully his being cleared for Maui is a good sign

Bee Bee 6 years, 7 months ago

Amen, Ryan. I m growing tired of hearing about SVI draining 40 threes in a row in practice etc. There are several players on this team that are little to ZERO threats on offense. What it comes down to is Mason and Perry on offense. Seldon is a bust in my opinion for a guy that was supposed to be ONE N DONE. He has a few good games a year and is a NO SHOW in the NCAA Tourney. A lot of players on this team would be at the end of the bench at U K, Duke or UNC. Coach has to step his game up on the recruiting trail. ( Please don't give me the Wiggins crap. He scored a total FOUR points vs Stanford in the tourney.)

Bill McGovern 6 years, 7 months ago

I agree, we especially need Diallo at defense and shot blocking.

David Kemp 6 years, 7 months ago

No doubt the post position right know is the missing piece and I pray diallo becomes a part of the answer

Kristen Downing 6 years, 7 months ago

All Diallo wants to do is play and then you have bonehead Greene letting his teammates down again. I feel an encouraged transfer coming on.

Larry Jackson 6 years, 7 months ago

Yep 2 words, "Naadir Tharpe". 2 historical words, "JR Giddens".

Chris Weaver 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm sorry, but I really have been impressed with HCBS's ability to break stallions and get them on the same page come Big 12 season.

I feel like Roy used to get the team firing all pistons early and win us some impressive games when it didn't matter, and Bill some times uses early games to tweak player's heads early for the games in Waco.

That being said, I trust Self's instincts on what he needs to do to get BG playing well down the stretch. Maybe I'm wrong. One guy's thoughts.

Ben Berglund 6 years, 7 months ago

So tired of all you curmudgeons on this site. Ever since KUSports started requiring the facebook info, it's been awful. The only people left seem like the lunch buffet crowd at the Country Kitchen screaming "get off my lawn!" & reminiscing about the "great fundamentals" of the players back in your day when a good work ethic existed. Get over yourselves.

Kent Richardson 6 years, 7 months ago

Greene is suspended and I have never liked his game. Always a step, or more behind and too many "what hell was he thinking?" 6 games is 1/5 of the season.

Graham is on probation because he reminds me of Alex Smith, doesn't turn it over and completes a lot of his passes but hasn't shown the ability to be any more than average elsewhere.

Selden is perplexing, as usual. He is in my dog house until further notice.

Self is on the back porch without a heater until he plays Mikelson/Bragg over Lucas/Jamari.

Perry Mason will have to solve this case all by him/themselves. I got your curmudgeon right here, Lol.

Steve Corder 6 years, 7 months ago

Just an opportunity for other players to make the most of playing time vacated by Greene's poor choices.

Jacob Zutterman 6 years, 7 months ago

Some of these comments are about as poor as Greene's judgement it seems. Calling for Bill Self to be fired is absurd. You feel as if you're entitled to a Final Four every year.

On a side note, I read somewhere that by KU drug policy calls for a 6 game suspension on a 4th offense. I don't know the policy and I'm obviously not saying this is the case with lack of information, but certainly could be the reason.

David Kemp 6 years, 7 months ago

Spot on and hopefully we get Diallo in the mix and HCBS will do just fine. This has been a huge distraction and I believe has affected the game plan dramatically. Lotta basketball left and ku will be there.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

I don't know about a Final Four every year, but I don't think it's too much to ask to get a program like Kansas to the Sweet 16 every year. And not lose to FCS programs like Bucknell, Bradley, Northern Iowa, Virginia Commonwealth, and Wichita State. Nor do I think it's too much to ask that a team get an opponent down and make sure they STAY down. Nor do I think it's too much to ask of a team to actually guard their opponents and not let them go off for career games.

Face reality, man - the program isn't on the same solid ground since the seniors from the 2012 Final Four team graduated. We've lost ground on all levels - at the national level to Kentucky, Duke and Connecticut; at the conference level to Oklahoma and especially Iowa State; and in our own state to Wichita State. At this point, the only way to regain that lost ground is with a coaching change.

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

FCS?

We may have lost ground to ISU & OU but that's just allowed them to get to our dust before it settles.

Michael Leiker 6 years, 7 months ago

None of the people who would like to see a new coach at KU (and I'm not asking for him to be fired, just hoping another opportunity comes along for him), are asking for it because of performance, necessarily. We tend to ask for it because of the style of play that Bill coaches. We think it's ugly basketball, and it's out of touch with how the game is being played and where it's heading with where the rules have gone the last few years. If he started catching up and valuing offense more, put in a zone offense where somebody moves more than 2 feet, got the ball up the floor quicker, the occasional easy basket in transition...I think you would see us change our tune very quickly.

I think the other thing people are saying is that we do not like the drop off in NCAA performance we have seen from the last coach to the current. The numbers are there, there's really no denying it. That coupled with the fact that Bill seems to get demigod treatment for what many of us think is lackluster performance is just annoying. We'd love to see some critique and pressure be place on him by the media to force a little introspection and possibly some of the changes we'd like to see.

Kent Noble 6 years, 7 months ago

If he's just trying to play basketball. Obviously there are more important things going on in Brannen's extra curricular activity outside of basketball. Wether it's being late to practice, bad atttitude or those flavored cigars. Whatever it is he sure not thinking about his team mates or playing for one of the most prestgious programs in america. EITHER YOUR DEDICATED OR YOUR NOT AND RIGHT NOW HE'S NOT!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael Leiker 6 years, 7 months ago

Really hard to understand how anybody who watched the game Tuesday could think this was about anything other than BG blowing up about PT...flavored cigars?

Russell Fryberger 6 years, 7 months ago

Give him a free ride through college then give him untold riches and let him be in the public eye while in the NBA, that'll teach him. What kind of grades can this guy get without a test taker....I mean tutor, helping him?

Jeremy Anderson 6 years, 7 months ago

I didn't rewatch the game but I remember Brannen being in the wrong spot twice on defense right before he got to ride the bench. HCBS doesn't appear to think his good offence is enough to offset the poor defense. Like other it is speculation but BG mouthing about loosing a close game while he was sitting seems like a distinct possibility. It doesn't matter if you are a boss at work or a coach, having a team member second guessing your decisions deserves time on the bench or the old pink slip. If this is the problem here my hope would be that BG learn to keep his mouth shut and learn defense. I think he would get all the playing time and fame he wants under HCBS if he did.

Day Shepherd 6 years, 7 months ago

This is super disappointing. Greene certainly must of done something significant for this to be such a severe suspension. However is anyone else sick of never having a shooting guard or small forward empowered to just be a gunslinger. It seems to me that there are a lot of coaches that develop kids to do this. KU has not had this in a long time. Svi and Greene so far are not showing the promise we hoped for. Is this a limitation of Coash Self? The bigs are required to play defense, the guards are required to play defense, and the forwards likewise. When kids like Farouk Manes hit killer 3 point shots, where is the KU equivalent?

Dirk Medema 6 years, 7 months ago

Was it Ben that did it to ISU or just EJ?

Doug Cramer 6 years, 7 months ago

My speculation is that Greene doesn't feel like Self appreciates him...and likely reacted some how.

Selden and Graham Have not proven themselves to be starters in this program. But Self will stick to them.

Every time Mickelson sees the court he does nothing but perform. But Self doesn't play him in tight games when we need him the most.

Hang in there Brannen...stay passionate...don't let anyone bring down your spirit.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

You're just making my case for me that Self isn't fit to coach this program anymore, because he's not rewarding hard work like he should or like he used to. Hunter Mickelson is Dilbert; Bill Self is the Pointy-Haired Boss.

Michael Leiker 6 years, 7 months ago

Interesting stat for those of us comparing Roy to Bill...Bill's teams over the next two years (assuming we don't get lucky and have a departure after this year), have to go to the NC both years to play in the same number of NCAA games that Roy's teams played in during his 14 years at KU. Right now he has coached in 12 fewer NCAA games than Roy coached in with two less years on record.

Bryce Landon 6 years, 7 months ago

Say what you want about Roy never winning the big one while at Kansas, but Roy only lost once to an FCS program in the NCAAs - Rhode Island in 1998. Bill has lost FIVE times to FCS programs in the NCAAs. Also, Roy NEVER lost in the Round of 64 while at KU.

Richard Aronoff 6 years, 7 months ago

"This sounds like the dictator Bill Self trying to squash any dissenting voice in the camp."

Ever crew on a ship?

Rule #1: The captain is always right.

Rule #2: When the captain is wrong, refer back to Rule #1.

Bryan Mohr 6 years, 7 months ago

I've never been a fan of Self's offense, or his dogmatic man-to-man defense despite obvious situations to zone. But, I think KU's recent decline can partly be attributed to the decline of the Big12 conference. The same thing has happened in football with UT and OU. Self and KU keep winning the Big12 every year because compared to the ACC and B1G the conference isn't very good. Every year the Big12 gets a bunch of local media hype about how good and competitive it is. That's rubbish. The Big12 performs terribly in the NCAA tournament every year. There have been - mostly - no serious contenders for KU in the Big12. What happened to OU and UT football? Same thing. They're still good teams, but the conference is dying and pulling them down. KU has to find a way into the B1G. Can't be long until OU jumps ship for the SEC and the Big12 implodes.

Jerry Walker 6 years, 7 months ago

For those taking the side of Greene...I'm guessing the altercation between him and Coach Self was more than just a little arguing. 6 games is a severe penalty for a player that was just griping about not playing enough.

Don Radina 6 years, 7 months ago

I'm a KU alumni and long time basketball fan. But no longer. It is too frustrating watching the best talent held back because of Self's narcissism. He should be using and showcasing these talented young men like the other top coaches do. Year after year it's the same thing. If the top players try to do their best they get benched. I will never watch another game. The thrill is gone.

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